We need to talk about Lee

[Paulie Walnuts]

It is very frustrating. If Lee’s attacking style was leading to loads of goals and us narrowly losing 4-3 or something it might be easier to stomach but losing 4-1 to a very mediocre Aberdeen is disappointing.

The problem is that we keep hearing about how we’ll give out a few doings but we’ll also take a few. Unfortunately, that is weighted more towards the taking part rather than the giving part.

We’ve had a decent bit more standout poor results and performances this season than good imo.

[Gatecrasher]

I'm sort of content in general aboout how things are going with LJ, we play some decent and entertaining football and have shown we can take just about anyone in Scotland at ER. The biggest concern is we are at the point in the season where we should be settling into some sort of consistancy, going from one of the better and dominant performances of the season to last night is unacceptable. I feel sorry for those who went up there last night.

[neil7908]

I've learned to ignore the flappy overreacting that goes on after every defeat.

Its just attention seeking imo

So we shouldn't comment on losing 4 games out of 5, including shipping 10 goals combined in 2 of those games?

[Paulie Walnuts]

So we shouldn't comment on losing 4 games out of 5, including shipping 10 goals combined in 2 of those games?

:agree:

[neil7908]

That’s not what’s happened though.

We had a lot more possession and were much more dangerous than Aberdeen tonight until that ludicrous VAR decision at half time. There’s no way they just conceded possession to us in the first half.

St Johnstone we were battering them until Magennis got sent off, again, no way they just let us half the ball.

Dundee Utd we absolutely hammered them and a ridiculous decision to rule out our goal cost us, again, no way did they just choose to let us have the ball and pick us off.

What you describe is probably a fairer reflection to our high possession stats under Maloney but it’s nonsense if looking into our recent poor run of results.

I’ve left the Celtic game out for obvious reasons.

There is a reoccurring theme for me in these recent games - collapse.

The Celtic score was a shocker - they are good but not that good.

Yes we lost man against St Johnstone but the fact we couldn't hold out for 20 odd minutes, or least get a draw, was really frustrating.

And tonight we concede 4 to a very average Aberdeen team rather than mounting any kind of serious comeback.

We are certainly an improvement on Maloney but we seem to really struggle when the pressure is on, and for a team with 5 defenders and 4 midfielders starting the game last night, not scoring many isn't a huge surprise. Conceding 4 certainly is though.

[Hibernia&Alba]

At this stage I'm still more worried about the squad than the manager. We have a very mediocre bunch.

[JimBHibees]

There is a reoccurring theme for me in these recent games - collapse.

The Celtic score was a shocker - they are good but not that good.

Yes we lost man against St Johnstone but the fact we couldn't hold out for 20 odd minutes, or least get a draw, was really frustrating.

And tonight we concede 4 to a very average Aberdeen team rather than mounting any kind of serious comeback.

We are certainly an improvement on Maloney but we seem to really struggle when the pressure is on, and for a team with 5 defenders and 4 midfielders starting the game last night, not scoring many isn't a huge surprise. Conceding 4 certainly is though.

Can't disagree with that to be honest. Pathetic goals shipped over and over. Maovski is their main headed threat and Newell was weak as a kitten. 4th one again was awful Newell again losing the ball and putrid defending from the two centre backs in the box.

[Hibernian Verse]

We're so shi it's unbelievable.

You must have a short memory as we were much more ***** last season

[JimBHibees]

Think we are heading in the right direction under LJ.

We will give a team a doing soon. But along way we are going to take a few ourselves such is the style and openness of his teams. Sunderland fans said it at time when we appointed him, you can win 3/4 nil one week then lose 5.0 the next.

We are very soft, I’d love to see us go for Jason Kerr at Wigan who are in financial difficulty, because the CB we’ve had for about 13 years now continues to be one of the softest of the lot

Good shout for Kerr

[Ozyhibby]

Johnson didn’t fix midfield in the window and it’s going to cost him his job. Shame because I think he could have been decent.
I actually think our defence is ok. They were just badly exposed last night.


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[Crab apple]

Can't disagree with that to be honest. Pathetic goals shipped over and over. Maovski is their main headed threat and Newell was weak as a kitten. 4th one again was awful Newell again losing the ball and putrid defending from the two centre backs in the box.

Exactly. Central defenders quite rightly getting pelters but it was Newell who lost his man for their second.

[Sir David Gray]

At this stage I'm still more worried about the squad than the manager. We have a very mediocre bunch.

I have said that for a while now. I've never been convinced that we have a squad that's as good as some people were talking about earlier in the season.

For me I think the recruitment in the summer has been poor once again. I will admit that the two players who have taken me by surprise and are a lot better than I initially gave them credit for are Kukharevych and Bushiri. I got the Kukharevych one wrong as I thought he was going to be yet another random stopgap loan signing but he's so much better than that. With Bushiri I didn't expect much after his loan spell last season but he's proven the doubters wrong so far.

Other than that I can't honestly say that I think any others are any better than I thought they would be. We knew what we were going to get from Marshall and Boyle but the rest have so far ranged from mediocre to disappointing and that was adding to a side that had just finished 8th.

We are better than last season (largely thanks to the four players mentioned above), I don't think there's any argument to be had about that but that was coming from an extremely low starting point.

I still don't think we are near the level that we should be at with this group of players and last night's second half capitulation proves that point. Aberdeen away was one of the biggest tests for this Hibs side and despite the injustice we all feel regarding the penalty incident that second half was a massive letdown.

[Paulie Walnuts]

At this stage I'm still more worried about the squad than the manager. We have a very mediocre bunch.

:agree:

The squad just doesn’t have enough quality in it to challenge for third over a season imo.

[Tyler Durden]

Johnson didn’t fix midfield in the window and it’s going to cost him his job. Shame because I think he could have been decent.
I actually think our defence is ok. They were just badly exposed last night.


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Haha he’s back.

You gonna recycle this line that you’ve been too embarrassed to trot out for the last few months?

Plenty of things to criticise, you don’t need to resort to your catchphrase

[Keith_M]

Doesn't make losing up there a shock or an embarrassment.

First 45 was as well as we've played all season. We ended up losing 4-1.

We beat them at Easter Road earlier on in the season and it could have easily been the same score in our favour


In that game, we were losing 1-0 until they went down to ten.

We played attractive, attacking football for the first 45 minutes but the problem was... same as last night... that we just didn't convert that into goals.

Yes, the penalty last night was ridiculous but we should have been well ahead by then, and it doesn't excuse conceding another three.

In the last few weeks, we've lost 4-1 and 6-1... which are horrendously bad scorelines... plus been beat by Dundee United and St Johnstone. We could argue all day about refereeing decisions against United but the plain fact is we failed to score a single goal

Last week's win against St Mirren was enjoyable, but it's starting to look like the exception to the rule

[easty]

:agree:

The squad just doesn’t have enough quality in it to challenge for third over a season imo.

We’re literally challenging for 3rd now.

[Paulie Walnuts]

We’re literally challenging for 3rd now.

14 games doesn’t constitute the course of a season though. We were challenging for the league after the first game. We won’t be at the end of the season though and I dont think we’ll be challenging for 3rd either.

[Basildon Hibs]

You must have a short memory as we were much more ***** last season

Still ****, though.

[easty]

14 games doesn’t constitute the course of a season though. We were challenging for the league after the first game. We won’t be at the end of the season though and I dont think we’ll be challenging for 3rd either.

Aye, after 1 game, and after 14 games is the same. Ok.

[J-C]

There is a reoccurring theme for me in these recent games - collapse.

The Celtic score was a shocker - they are good but not that good.

Yes we lost man against St Johnstone but the fact we couldn't hold out for 20 odd minutes, or least get a draw, was really frustrating.

And tonight we concede 4 to a very average Aberdeen team rather than mounting any kind of serious comeback.

We are certainly an improvement on Maloney but we seem to really struggle when the pressure is on, and for a team with 5 defenders and 4 midfielders starting the game last night, not scoring many isn't a huge surprise. Conceding 4 certainly is though.

I said kast night that we'd struggle playing 3511, zero width and no real goal threat. I understand playing Henderson again as he had a good game last time out but Kukharevych was stranded up there on his own, should've gone 433 with a front 3 of Youan, Kukharevych and Melkersen.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Aye, after 1 game, and after 14 games is the same. Ok.

After 14 games and 38 games isn’t the same either.

[J-C]

We’re literally challenging for 3rd now.

St Mirren, Livingston and Hearts with games in hand, we could very soon be sitting 7th.

[loanheadhibby]

Haha he’s back.

You gonna recycle this line that you’ve been too embarrassed to trot out for the last few months?

Plenty of things to criticise, you don’t need to resort to your catchphrase

To be fair, he makes a valid point. You on the other hand mock him for his opinion.

Why not at least try to enter in to a debate and advise why our midfield is not the issue?

[Tyler Durden]

St Mirren, Livingston and Hearts with games in hand, we could very soon be sitting 7th.

We’ve been hearing that for weeks

[bingo70]

St Mirren, Livingston and Hearts with games in hand, we could very soon be sitting 7th.

St Mirren and hearts game in hand is against each other remember. I could be wrong but I think someone else said Livingstons game in hand is against one of the old firm.

[Tyler Durden]

To be fair, he makes a valid point. You on the other hand mock him for his opinion.

Why not at least try to enter in to a debate and advise why our midfield is not the issue?

It’s been done to death.

His post deserves mockery. Yours don’t usually merit any response to be fair

[matty_f]

To be fair, he makes a valid point. You on the other hand mock him for his opinion.

Why not at least try to enter in to a debate and advise why our midfield is not the issue?
Out of everything that went wrong last night, the midfield was the least of our worries. An attack that needs around 25 chances per goal and a defence that did their utmost to gift Aberdeen goals are far higher in the list of things to fix than the midfield.

[loanheadhibby]

Can't disagree with that to be honest. Pathetic goals shipped over and over. Maovski is their main headed threat and Newell was weak as a kitten. 4th one again was awful Newell again losing the ball and putrid defending from the two centre backs in the box.

What a negative take on it. Clearly a jambo and best ignored. Always negative about the Hibs.

[J-C]

St Mirren and hearts game in hand is against each other remember. I could be wrong but I think someone else said Livingstons game in hand is against one of the old firm.

I know that, just pointing it out, did Livingston drew with Rangers recently. We are very inconsistent.

[easty]

After 14 games and 38 games isn’t the same either.

We’ve not played 38, we’ve played 14. Im basing our ability to challenge for 3rd based on where we are, coming up for half way through the season. Where were literally challenging for 3rd.

I don’t even think I’m being any sort of happy clapper in saying this??

[matty_f]

We’ve not played 38, we’ve played 14. Im basing our ability to challenge for 3rd based on where we are, coming up for half way through the season. Where were literally challenging for 3rd.

I don’t even think I’m being any sort of happy clapper in saying this??

Seems reasonable, to be fair.

[Ozyhibby]

Out of everything that went wrong last night, the midfield was the least of our worries. An attack that needs around 25 chances per goal and a defence that did their utmost to gift Aberdeen goals are far higher in the list of things to fix than the midfield.

What chances did we miss? I watched us dominate possession last night in first half but never really felt we created any real goal threat? Couple of weak shots from Magennis and header by Henderson?
All very well having lots of the ball but it was all in areas Aberdeen were happy to let us have it.
I actually think the new boy up top looks decent.
Also feel our defence is decent and were badly exposed by the midfield last night.


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[Paulie Walnuts]

We’ve not played 38, we’ve played 14. Im basing our ability to challenge for 3rd based on where we are, coming up for half way through the season. Where were literally challenging for 3rd.

I don’t even think I’m being any sort of happy clapper in saying this??

We were challenging for 3rd after 14 games last season. Come the end of the season we finished 8th. Just because we’re challenging for 3rd now it doesn’t mean people need to think that’s where we’ll be come the end of the season. I don’t think this group of players are capable of challenging for 3rd over the course of a whole season. There’s not enough quality imo.

[Ozyhibby]

Also, we played three at the back and one up front. If our midfielders are so good, why are we having to play 6 of them to try and compete?


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[green day]

We’ve not played 38, we’ve played 14. Im basing our ability to challenge for 3rd based on where we are, coming up for half way through the season. Where were literally challenging for 3rd.

I don’t even think I’m being any sort of happy clapper in saying this??

I dont think thats unreasonable, however you also need to factor in the split.

We are now ~half way to the split and are there or thereabouts - so I am not too concerned.

However after the split, we will likely play Rangers, Celtic, Hearts, Aberdeen and AN Other, all of which will be tough games.

Dropping points to the likes of Dundee Utd and the St Johnstone match were really poor (when viewed in the context of an entire season) and are the games we need to win if we are to come out in a good position within that group mentioned above.

I think County and Killie are must wins now after the daft points we have dropped....which they didnt have to be.

Maybe the Scottish Cup is our route to Europe this year :greengrin

[Smartie]

I don't think we are playing bad at all. Quite confident going into Tuesday. We battered Killie the last time we played them and should have scored more so I fancy us to win that one too.

International break to get Nisbet & McGeady up to full fitness then come back firing in December.

Me too.

Without wishing to defend the indefensible from last night, I think we’ve got more chance of improving upon our weaknesses than we do losing the good that we have right now.

A winnable home game in 3 days is exactly what we need.

And as you say, a wee break to get injured players fitter won’t do us any harm either.

I’m glass half full.

[B.H.F.C]

Out of everything that went wrong last night, the midfield was the least of our worries. An attack that needs around 25 chances per goal and a defence that did their utmost to gift Aberdeen goals are far higher in the list of things to fix than the midfield.

The midfield were just as much to blame last night as anyone else.

Newell just let the boy wander away from him in the lead up to the penalty. He the ducked out of a challenge on the half way line in the lead up to the fourth.

There is a lack of creativity from them. Plenty shots on goal last night but very little in the way of quality chances.

[loanheadhibby]

Me too.

Without wishing to defend the indefensible from last night, I think we’ve got more chance of improving upon our weaknesses than we do losing the good that we have right now.

A winnable home game in 3 days is exactly what we need.

And as you say, a wee break to get injured players fitter won’t do us any harm either.

I’m glass half full.

I do love your positivity. Do you not see shades of last season tho? Would you be shocked if we finished 8/9th place this season?

Last night and St Johnstone game have the alarm bells ringing surely?

[GreenCastle]

The midfield were just as much to blame last night as anyone else.

Newell just let the boy wander away from him in the lead up to the penalty. He the ducked out of a challenge on the half way line in the lead up to the fourth.

There is a lack of creativity from them. Plenty shots on goal last night but very little in the way of quality chances.

As good as Newell is on the ball his main weaknesses are aggression and tracking runners.

The tracking runners is a major issue and you saw it against St Johnstone when he played deeper.

He’s a luxury player but when we are losing or he’s playing deeper it doesn’t suit him or Hibs.

[Mikey_1875]

Out of everything that went wrong last night, the midfield was the least of our worries. An attack that needs around 25 chances per goal and a defence that did their utmost to gift Aberdeen goals are far higher in the list of things to fix than the midfield.

I’m not sure, although the stats showed a lot of efforts on goal i’m struggling to recall good quality chances, there were plenty of long range efforts that either went high and wide or a simple catch for the goalie.

With big Myk left on his own up top last night we really needed to see the midfield flood the box and support him, which to be fair overall has been better under LJ. Our attacks fell back into our default mode which is so predictable. It generally results in a ball out to Cadden who puts in a reasonable cross to where we only have one or two in and it’s easily mopped up.

Where’s the midfielder that wants to do something different and break the lines? Magennis could be that player when he gets up to speed but we need more from all of them. I thought Henderson picked the ball up in good spaces in his free role but couldn’t affect the game once he had it, again this resulted in the ball going out to Cadden. That Aberdeen back line had to be constantly hounded from all angles as when we rarely did apply pressure they looked very uncomfortable especially the captain. Myk couldn’t do it on his own though and the midfield had to step up to that. We gave them a pretty easy night I felt despite our possession.

Defensively the midfield done ok although not blameless for the goals. They won possession back in good areas especially in the first half. How Scales managed to saunter 30/40 yards up the park unchallenged which resulted in the corner for the second goal annoyed me at the time though.

[Greenio]

So we shouldn't comment on losing 4 games out of 5, including shipping 10 goals combined in 2 of those games?

You can comment on whatever you like

[Hermit Crab]

Can't believe the reactions from some on here , one week we are great , next week everything's awful . Actually thought we looked better than them till that awful penalty decision . 61 % possession , shots/on 17/6 .Aberdeen 31% possession , shots/on 8/6 .


We've lost 4 out of our last 5 games conceding 13 and only scoring 6.

[Hermit Crab]

Most of the folk giving it this kind of chat probably not spent a fortune going up to Aberdeen on a Friday night.

Being majorly short changed away from home.


£30 for the ticket, £15 for the bus, thats before a ball is even kicked. Away days are not cheap and I'm fed up being let down by the team on the road. Same excuses from the manager. IMO he'll be gone by the end of the season at this rate.

[easty]

We were challenging for 3rd after 14 games last season. Come the end of the season we finished 8th. Just because we’re challenging for 3rd now it doesn’t mean people need to think that’s where we’ll be come the end of the season. I don’t think this group of players are capable of challenging for 3rd over the course of a whole season. There’s not enough quality imo.

But Aberdeen, with 2 more points, and other teams with less points, are likely to challenge for 3rd? Based on? Just because?

[B.H.F.C]

But Aberdeen, with 2 more points, and other teams with less points, are likely to challenge for 3rd? Based on? Just because?

Won’t dispute that we are in a position to challenge for third, but I’m not sure we will be when it comes to the split.

As things stand I think things are regressing. Defensively we were looking strong but that’s fallen away with the tinkering that started at Parkhead. Going forward we just don’t have enough quality to win enough games.

I don’t think Aberdeen are great at all but we’ve passed up a major opportunity in the last few weeks to build up a lead on Hearts who will be stronger after the break IMO, with Europe out the way.

[Chorley Hibee]

£30 for the ticket, £15 for the bus, thats before a ball is even kicked. Away days are not cheap and I'm fed up being let down by the team on the road. Same excuses from the manager. IMO he'll be gone by the end of the season at this rate.

I spent the best part of £100 last night for yet another gutless capitulation.

We should just accept it though and marvel at the massive strides we're supposedly making.

All I see is more of the same, and another transfer window wasted on crap at the expense of what was, and has been, required for far too long.

[Tyler Durden]

Also, we played three at the back and one up front. If our midfielders are so good, why are we having to play 6 of them to try and compete?


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You told us time and again in the first 6 weeks of the season, that Johnson would be sacked by Xmas as he hadn’t sorted the midfield.

Then you’ve shut up about that for 2 months cos it’s obviously been proved wrong. We’ll likely be 4th or 5th at Xmas and Lee Johnson will be our manager.

He’s improved Newell and Campbell no end this season. Kenneh has done well and we have Magennis back fit. Despite all the clowns on here who would have had him paid off or told us he wouldn’t be seen before the World Cup.

Nobody said in August that the midfield were great. Think we all recognise now that the midfield can be improved without a doubt.

It was just your repeated nonsense that Johnson will be gone by Xmas that was wildly wrong. Then and now

[Ozyhibby]

You told us time and again in the first 6 weeks of the season, that Johnson would be sacked by Xmas as he hadn’t sorted the midfield.

Then you’ve shut up about that for 2 months cos it’s obviously been proved wrong. We’ll likely be 4th or 5th at Xmas and Lee Johnson will be our manager.

He’s improved Newell and Campbell no end this season. Kenneh has done well and we have Magennis back fit. Despite all the clowns on here who would have had him paid off or told us he wouldn’t be seen before the World Cup.

Nobody said in August that the midfield were great. Think we all recognise now that the midfield can be improved without a doubt.

It was just your repeated nonsense that Johnson will be gone by Xmas that was wildly wrong. Then and now

Mostly shut up because I wasn’t catching the games so didn’t feel like I could comment. That includes the games we were losing. Watched last night though and not much has changed.


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[SlickShoes]

But Aberdeen, with 2 more points, and other teams with less points, are likely to challenge for 3rd? Based on? Just because?

It's an amazing line of thinking our fans have. We have performed about as well as anyone outside of the top 2. I'm not saying performing like that is good either, but it's not been a disaster.

Hibs fans have an almost unique ability just to see the worst in every situation. The negativity is overwhelming, and defeats are never fun, but to be writing about the manager being sacked and not challenging for third when every team is about as good as each other if you look at it objectively is just pointless.

[Brightside]

It's an amazing line of thinking our fans have. We have performed about as well as anyone outside of the top 2. I'm not saying performing like that is good either, but it's not been a disaster.

Hibs fans have an almost unique ability just to see the worst in every situation. The negativity is overwhelming, and defeats are never fun, but to be writing about the manager being sacked and not challenging for third when every team is about as good as each other if you look at it objectively is just pointless.

Only some Hibs fans. Forums really aren’t a great barometer for football fans in general. The vast majority understand our level and get over defeats pretty quickly.

[Hibbyradge]

£30 for the ticket, £15 for the bus, thats before a ball is even kicked. Away days are not cheap and I'm fed up being let down by the team on the road. Same excuses from the manager. IMO he'll be gone by the end of the season at this rate.

How much does it cost once the ball is kicked?

Signed: A Pedant

[blackpoolhibs]

We’re literally challenging for 3rd now.

I will bet you £100 going to any charity you wish, that we wont finish within 10 points of third place this season.

[Basildon Hibs]

£30 for the ticket, £15 for the bus, thats before a ball is even kicked. Away days are not cheap and I'm fed up being let down by the team on the road. Same excuses from the manager. IMO he'll be gone by the end of the season at this rate.

If this keeps up it'll be long. before then.

[Donegal Hibby]

We've lost 4 out of our last 5 games conceding 13 and only scoring 6.
League positions are not decided over the last 5 games . 6 of the 13 lost were against the best team in the league who could batter anyone on there day. Of course there's problems in our team that need fixing , Manager at the start said he would need 2 or 3 transfer windows . Last week we battered st mirren and everyones praising our team and saying how good we played ,This week there's a thread started again " let's face it we are really really crap' when it should read we have a really really lot of pant wetters on here .stats continue to show positive signs that we are dominating games and creating chances. Work in progress anyhow we are still fourth at the minute and very much still in the mix to be challenging for a European spot . Guess I have a more of a glass half full outlook on Hibs compared to your half empty outlook on things

[GreenNWhiteArmy]

Consistency is an issue for every club outside Glasgow.

For us to become more consistent than we've been though it will take more than one transfer window

Largely we're playing good football, that gives me optimism that the manager gets the club and can give us stability at the right end of the table

[Paulie Walnuts]

But Aberdeen, with 2 more points, and other teams with less points, are likely to challenge for 3rd? Based on? Just because?

Aberdeen are ahead of us having played less games. The 3 teams directly below us have all played less games and could go above us should they win 1 of their games in hand. We’re on a crap run of form, struggling with the absolute basics and have a very difficult run of games after the World Cup.

So no, not ‘just because’. I’ve watched enough of us this season to feel like we’re not a team that will challenge for third.

[Donegal Hibby]

Thought it was a fair assessment of the game by Johnson
https://www.hibernianfc.co.uk/article/johnson-a-difficult-one-to-take

[1620]

Consistency is an issue for every club outside Glasgow.

For us to become more consistent than we've been though it will take more than one transfer window

Largely we're playing good football, that gives me optimism that the manager gets the club and can give us stability at the right end of the table

This is about where I am at the moment.
However I am a bit bemused by team selections and team formations. Sometimes it’s 3 at the back and sometimes 4. It can be anything from 1 to 3 up front and the midfield gets the balance! I understand coaches look at the opposition and decide what might be the appropriate formation for each game. I can’t help but think that this constant chopping and changing of formations plays a large part in the team’s lack of consistency. Why can’t we have our style of play, concentrate on that and if necessary adjust during the game with the use of the various substitutes now available to all teams.
The current plan does not appear to be working at the moment, there are too many defeats for that, some of them embarrassing. We need to start winning games again.
Just my thoughts.

[Chorley Hibee]

I will bet you £100 going to any charity you wish, that we wont finish within 10 points of third place this season.

We need at least 2/3 first team players in January that are ready to contribute, not in 2/3 years time, but now!

If that doesn't happen (which I don't have faith in) then I agree with your assessment.

[Ronniekirk]

What chances did we miss? I watched us dominate possession last night in first half but never really felt we created any real goal threat? Couple of weak shots from Magennis and header by Henderson?
All very well having lots of the ball but it was all in areas Aberdeen were happy to let us have it.
I actually think the new boy up top looks decent.
Also feel our defence is decent and were badly exposed by the midfield last night.


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L J agreed in his post match comments Think he said 17 shots but said to weak and we really didn’t look like scoring He also said we lack Physicality in both boxes
As soon as I saw the team I didn’t think we could win But to loose four given how we played in the first hslf was baffling

[B.H.F.C]

We need at least 2/3 first team players in January that are ready to contribute, not in 2/3 years time, but now!

If that doesn't happen (which I don't have faith in) then I agree with your assessment.

Feel similar.

What I find so frustrating is that I don’t think there is a lack of investment, we’re just not investing wisely IMO.

It’s fine buying potential but you need to have the core of a team to bring them in to at some point.

With our approach to transfers currently, I’m not convinced it would make a great deal of difference who the manager is.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Feel similar.

What I find so frustrating is that I don’t think there is a lack of investment, we’re just not investing wisely IMO.

It’s fine buying potential but you need to have the core of a team to bring them in to at some point.

With our approach to transfers currently, I’m not convinced it would make a great deal of difference who the manager is.

:agree:

Have said the same about LJ since he came in. If he’s not given good players then he’s on a hiding to nothing. Our transfer windows for the last few years have been very poor so I don’t hold out a lot of hope that he’ll get that.

Maloney was similar. Had Boyle sold from under him and was given a raft of absolute dross/bairns to make a team out of. Another scenario where it wouldn’t have really made any odds who the manager was as the recruitment was gash.

Until the recruitment gets sorted we’ll not be achieving much. The squad right now is hugely lacking in genuine quality

[Basildon Hibs]

Thought it was a fair assessment of the game by Johnson
https://www.hibernianfc.co.uk/article/johnson-a-difficult-one-to-take

Aye, but forget all that. Do you think he 'came across well'? 😏

[Smartie]

I do love your positivity. Do you not see shades of last season tho? Would you be shocked if we finished 8/9th place this season?

Last night and St Johnstone game have the alarm bells ringing surely?

I wouldn't be shocked if we finished 8th/ 9th but I wouldn't be any more shocked if we finished 3rd.

There's a danger that our scar tissue affects us too much. Our squad isn't perfect but we should have enough to stay in touch to January then improve. I thought we were goosed when the August transfer window closed last season, this season we're in a better position. That's before you go sacking your manager and appointing a Maloney to turn it around (which sank last season).

Aberdeen will be one of the main contenders for 3rd - and we were pretty dominant for half the game last night, a game which turned on one controversial incident. I was disappointed with the chances we missed, the goals we conceded and the general capitulation but I thought it was a result that looked worse than it was - the same with a few of our recent defeats.

As I said before - I'm not generally all that happy clappy but I see progress and quite enjoy watching us play. The deficiencies and problems we have look fixable to me.

[Sir David Gray]

Feel similar.

What I find so frustrating is that I don’t think there is a lack of investment, we’re just not investing wisely IMO.

It’s fine buying potential but you need to have the core of a team to bring them in to at some point.

With our approach to transfers currently, I’m not convinced it would make a great deal of difference who the manager is.

Yep I would agree, I definitely don't think we can blame the board for a lack of investment, we're just not spending money on the correct players which is the frustrating thing for me too.

[Crunchie]

£30 for the ticket, £15 for the bus, thats before a ball is even kicked. Away days are not cheap and I'm fed up being let down by the team on the road. Same excuses from the manager. IMO he'll be gone by the end of the season at this rate.
Your expectations are way too high to be following Hibs. I wonder how long you've had lasted from 78 through the 80s when I went to practically every away game.

[tamig]

Your expectations are way too high to be following Hibs. I wonder how long you've had lasted from 78 through the 80s when I went to practically every away game.

I was the same. Started following home and away from 79 - relegated that season - through to the mid-90s once the kids started to arrive. Some great times but the football was horrible for a lot of that time. I never once complained about the money I’d spent.

[loanheadhibby]

Out of everything that went wrong last night, the midfield was the least of our worries. An attack that needs around 25 chances per goal and a defence that did their utmost to gift Aberdeen goals are far higher in the list of things to fix than the midfield.

Is it the midfield the least of our worries? I think all parts of the team went wrong ultimately. I can’t recall us making any real clear cut chances. Plenty endeavour but no real quality.

Kenneh did not provide much protection to back 4. Magennis offered nothing. Newell at fault for 2nd goal.

I actually thought Rocky was decent but as the defence lost 4 goals, overall it had to be considered he was ultimately poor.

[Hibbyradge]

Your expectations are way too high to be following Hibs. I wonder how long you've had lasted from 78 through the 80s when I went to practically every away game.

I'm not sure how I lasted either, tbf, and the demise started much earlier than that.

Friends, bevvy and blind loyalty kept me going much more than the football.

[loanheadhibby]

It’s been done to death.

His post deserves mockery. Yours don’t usually merit any response to be fair

And yet here you are responding to my post.

The midfield is lightweight and create very few clear cut chances. They also offer little protection and offer a poor return of goals.

It’s only done to death as it’s the same performance time and again.

[Hibbyradge]

I actually thought Rocky was decent but as the defence lost 4 goals, overall it had to be considered he was ultimately poor.

That's fantastic logic. Thanks for posting it. It's cleared up a lot about you for me. :bitchy:

[Donegal Hibby]

I'm not sure how I lasted either, tbf, and the demise started much earlier than that.

Friends, bevvy and blind loyalty kept me going much more than the football.
Bevvy ? You lucky sod ,I was to young for that and had nothing to numb the pain going through the 80s as a hibby 😂

[Jones28]

Is it the midfield the least of our worries? I think all parts of the team went wrong ultimately. I can’t recall us making any real clear cut chances. Plenty endeavour but no real quality.

Kenneh did not provide much protection to back 4. Magennis offered nothing. Newell at fault for 2nd goal.

I actually thought Rocky was decent but as the defence lost 4 goals, overall it had to be considered he was ultimately poor.

You can’t consider some one poor if they had a good game as an individual. That’s just madness and takes any nuance out of the analysis.

[loanheadhibby]

That's fantastic logic. Thanks for posting it. It's cleared up a lot about you for me. :bitchy:

Maybe I never explained it well enough. Apologies. I’ll try simplify it for you.

I thought Rocky was good last night in the general play. One of our better players. However his main job was defending our goal. Can we really say any defenders had a good game if we conceded 4 goals?

[loanheadhibby]

You can’t consider some one poor if they had a good game as an individual. That’s just madness and takes any nuance out of the analysis.

I agree it is a tough one as in general play he was good. However ultimately he played in a defence that conceded 4 goals. As part of the team, he has to share the responsibility? Or do we exclude him from criticism?

[Crunchie]

I was the same. Started following home and away from 79 - relegated that season - through to the mid-90s once the kids started to arrive. Some great times but the football was horrible for a lot of that time. I never once complained about the money I’d spent.
:agree: None of us complained about the money, it wouldn't even enter our heads we followed the team thick and thin for our love of the club. The internet has born a new breed of supporter that's for sure.

[Brightside]

Is it the midfield the least of our worries? I think all parts of the team went wrong ultimately. I can’t recall us making any real clear cut chances. Plenty endeavour but no real quality.

Kenneh did not provide much protection to back 4. Magennis offered nothing. Newell at fault for 2nd goal.

I actually thought Rocky was decent but as the defence lost 4 goals, overall it had to be considered he was ultimately poor.

We didn’t play a back 4. Kenneh didn’t actually play as DM like he’s had in the recent 352. For me the system didn’t work. We should have stayed with the 352.

[A Hi-Bee]

:agree: None of us complained about the money, it wouldn't even enter our heads we followed the team thick and thin for our love of the club. The internet has born a new breed of supporter that's for sure.

Yawn, try from round about 1962, then come back to me and I may just listen.
Money what wis that.

:flag::flag::flag:

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

:agree: None of us complained about the money, it wouldn't even enter our heads we followed the team thick and thin for our love of the club. The internet has born a new breed of supporter that's for sure.

I don't think you can question HC's commitment to following Hibs through thick and thin.

[Jones28]

I agree it is a tough one as in general play he was good. However ultimately he played in a defence that conceded 4 goals. As part of the team, he has to share the responsibility? Or do we exclude him from criticism?

Look at it subjectively. I didn’t see the game, but was Bushiri responsible for any goals conceded? Could he have done anything better? Did anything he do anything to contribute to the goals?

He does share responsibility as the whole team does, but if he personally puts in an 8/10 performance he deserves praise - or to at least not be included in the collective criticism of the team.

[Crunchie]

I don't think you can question HC's commitment to following Hibs through thick and thin.
I'm questioning his reasons for following them, when Hibs got beat back in the day when I followed them week in week out I can't say the money I spent was high on my list of disappointment, my first train of thought was the points lost or a another cup exit in the early rounds.

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

I'm questioning his reasons for following them, when Hibs got beat back in the day when I followed them week in week out I can't say the money I spent was high on my list of disappointment, my first train of thought was the points lost or a another cup exit in the early rounds.

I'm sure his reasons are much the same as everyone else's but, I'll leave it to him to tell you.

[B.H.F.C]

I'm questioning his reasons for following them, when Hibs got beat back in the day when I followed them week in week out I can't say the money I spent was high on my list of disappointment, my first train of thought was the points lost or a another cup exit in the early rounds.

There’s a huge cost of living crisis on the go at the moment. When we’re getting short changed the way we have in most away games this season, it’s hardly surprising that money becomes a consideration.

£30 last night and £35 at Parkhead to wittiness a team just roll over. Away support has been superb this season, too many performances have been anything but. It’s not about having unrealistic expectations or anything like that, it would be good to just see a team that shows some guts. I thought we had it at the start of the season when we kept going, hung on in games and got the late goals. That spirit and determination has disappeared.

[Sioux]

£30 for the ticket, £15 for the bus, thats before a ball is even kicked. Away days are not cheap and I'm fed up being let down by the team on the road. Same excuses from the manager. IMO he'll be gone by the end of the season at this rate.


I spent the best part of £100 last night for yet another gutless capitulation.

We should just accept it though and marvel at the massive strides we're supposedly making.

All I see is more of the same, and another transfer window wasted on crap at the expense of what was, and has been, required for far too long.

If you decide to spend the money, that's down to you. If its a problem for you - don't go! Yet more 'look at me, look at me, I'm important' uber fan nonsense.

[tamig]

There’s a huge cost of living crisis on the go at the moment. When we’re getting short changed the way we have in most away games this season, it’s hardly surprising that money becomes a consideration.

£30 last night and £35 at Parkhead to wittiness a team just roll over. Away support has been superb this season, too many performances have been anything but. It’s not about having unrealistic expectations or anything like that, it would be good to just see a team that shows some guts. I thought we had it at the start of the season when we kept going, hung on in games and got the late goals. That spirit and determination has disappeared.

I think we all appreciate times are tough just now and no improvements on the horizon. But if money is really so tight, why would folk prioritise the football over more pressing priorities - then come on here to moan about how much it cost them because we got beat? Its bizarre. Its a personal choice to follow Hibs. When we started supporting the club it was a lifelong emotional commitment. Money doesn’t come into it.

[B.H.F.C]

I think we all appreciate times are tough just now and no improvements on the horizon. But if money is really so tight, why would folk prioritise the football over more pressing priorities - the come on here to moan about how much it cost them because we got beat? Its bizarre. Its a personal choice to follow Hibs. When we started supporting the club it was a lifelong emotional commitment. Money doesn’t come into it.

I think money does come in to it with the way ticket prices are going and the general financial climate we find ourselves in. I don’t think anyone is spending money to go to a game at the expense of paying their mortgage or anything like that, but with current costs it’ll become an easier decision for folk to spend money on other things. It’s a shame as the support have shown a real willingness to back this team this season. I think most folk who go week in, week out understand what being a Hibs supporter is like and don’t expect to win every week. But we do expect effort, desire, commitment and a bit of belief and that has disappeared lately. It was there at the start of the season, now we just look really soft as soon as something goes against us.

[tamig]

I think money does come in to it with the way ticket prices are going and the general financial climate we find ourselves in. I don’t think anyone is spending money to go to a game at the expense of paying their mortgage or anything like that, but with current costs it’ll become an easier decision for folk to spend money on other things. It’s a shame as the support have shown a real willingness to back this team this season. I think most folk who go week in, week out understand what being a Hibs supporter is like and don’t expect to win every week. But we do expect effort, desire, commitment and a bit of belief and that has disappeared lately. It was there at the start of the season, now we just look really soft as soon as something goes against us.
I agree. But if you choose to follow the team and spend the money I still don’t get why you would come on here to complain about how much it cost you. Have a go about lack of commitment on the pitch or whatever, but there is no point bleating about how much it cost you to get there. That was the individual’s choice and, as you say, we know there are no guarantees results wise or even performance wise.

[Hibbyradge]

Maybe I never explained it well enough. Apologies. I’ll try simplify it for you.

I thought Rocky was good last night in the general play. One of our better players. However his main job was defending our goal. Can we really say any defenders had a good game if we conceded 4 goals?

You explained it perfectly well, even for someone of my limited intellect.

[Silky]

St Mirren, Livingston and Hearts with games in hand, we could very soon be sitting 7th.

We also might not be.

[SMAXXA]

Maybe I never explained it well enough. Apologies. I’ll try simplify it for you.

I thought Rocky was good last night in the general play. One of our better players. However his main job was defending our goal. Can we really say any defenders had a good game if we conceded 4 goals?

Yes we can he was excellent last night, 1 loose pass in injury time aside he had a great game. We conceded 4 goals yes, none can be attributed to him, head and shoulders our best defender.

[Allant1981]

Maybe I never explained it well enough. Apologies. I’ll try simplify it for you.

I thought Rocky was good last night in the general play. One of our better players. However his main job was defending our goal. Can we really say any defenders had a good game if we conceded 4 goals?

Simple answer is yes you can although you know that already and being the poster that you are you won't accept that

[WhileTheChief..]

Not even 9am on a Sunday morning and the arguments are starting :faf:

[Crunchie]

There’s a huge cost of living crisis on the go at the moment. When we’re getting short changed the way we have in most away games this season, it’s hardly surprising that money becomes a consideration.

£30 last night and £35 at Parkhead to wittiness a team just roll over. Away support has been superb this season, too many performances have been anything but. It’s not about having unrealistic expectations or anything like that, it would be good to just see a team that shows some guts. I thought we had it at the start of the season when we kept going, hung on in games and got the late goals. That spirit and determination has disappeared.
There was a huge living crisis back in the late 70s early 80s too, I didn't bleat constantly about how much it cost when Hibs got beat.

[WhileTheChief..]

There was a huge living crisis back in the late 70s early 80s too, I didn't bleat constantly about how much it cost when Hibs got beat.

Constantly?

One poster mentioned the cost once and you’ve all piled in on him for it.

Let the guy have a wee moan, what harm does it do? It’s you guys that are making a mountain out of it and banging on about it.

Folk have always complained about money on here. Whether about tickets, trains or pies it’s an omni present complaint.

Folk also moaned just as much back in the 70s and 80s, let’s not kid ourselves!

[Crunchie]

Constantly?

One poster mentioned the cost once and you’ve all piled in on him for it.

Let the guy have a wee moan, what harm does it do? It’s you guys that are making a mountain out of it and banging on about it.

Folk have always complained about money on here. Whether about tickets, trains or pies it’s an omni present complaint.

Folk also moaned just as much back in the 70s and 80s, let’s not kid ourselves!
He brings it up on a regular basis, as do others as you say. Back in the day we might have mentioned what a waste of money that was over a pint, I doubt it went any further than that.
I'll bow out at that and apologies if I hurt yours or anyone else's feelings

[Bridge hibs]

Not even 9am on a Sunday morning and the arguments are starting :faf:Strange, your post states 0935 posted and its only 0913 🤣

I need to go back to my bed 🫣

[J-C]

He brings it up on a regular basis, as do others as you say. Back in the day we might have mentioned what a waste of money that was over a pint, I doubt it went any further than that.
I'll bow out at that and apologies if I hurt yours or anyone else's feelings

There was no internet or forums back in the day though, yes you'd moan in the bus or pub afterwards but these are modern times and a lot come on here to have moan after a loss, quite natural.

[B.H.F.C]

There was a huge living crisis back in the late 70s early 80s too, I didn't bleat constantly about how much it cost when Hibs got beat.

Nobody has really been bleating constantly about it though have they?

[loanheadhibby]

Yes we can he was excellent last night, 1 loose pass in injury time aside he had a great game. We conceded 4 goals yes, none can be attributed to him, head and shoulders our best defender.

I sent a text to a mate during the game saying he was head and shoulders above every other Hibs player. He looks an incredible athlete.

I thought the best player on the park was Clarkson for Aberdeen. He might have a big future in game.

[paddy1875]

Any manager who’s stated publicly we will give out and take some heavy beatings will forever be mid table.

After talking of psychologists after the pumping at Parkhead, he’s probably done the most damage himself in saying that. Subconsciously players will think it’s ok to take these defeats.


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[blackpoolhibs]

I'm questioning his reasons for following them, when Hibs got beat back in the day when I followed them week in week out I can't say the money I spent was high on my list of disappointment, my first train of thought was the points lost or a another cup exit in the early rounds.

I went everywhere then too, but it was nowhere near £100 to follow us up to Aberdeen, probably less than a fiver in those days.

Not sure how it equates, but it is in my opinion a lot more expensive to follow us these days than when i went home and away?

[Hibbyradge]

I went everywhere then too, but it was nowhere near £100 to follow us up to Aberdeen, probably less than a fiver in those days.

Not sure how it equates, but it is in my opinion a lot more expensive to follow us these days than when i went home and away?

It was definitely more than £5 to get the bus to Aberdeen. Then we had to get in (sometimes twice 😁) and buy a programme.

Now add all the bevvy and a mince roll at Forfar and it cost a fortune!

[blackpoolhibs]

It was definitely more than £5 to get the bus to Aberdeen. Then we had to get in (sometimes twice 😁) and buy a programme.

Now add all the bevvy and a mince roll at Forfar and it cost a fortune!

8 cans of McEwans export, a bottle of pomagne, never bothered with the programme, never saw much of the games either.:wink:

[Keyser Sauzee]

It was definitely more than £5 to get the bus to Aberdeen. Then we had to get in (sometimes twice 😁) and buy a programme.

Now add all the bevvy and a mince roll at Forfar and it cost a fortune!

Never heard of a Mince Roll before in my life and after a quick google search I’m still none the wiser 😂

[Hibbyradge]

Never heard of a Mince Roll before in my life and after a quick google search I’m still none the wiser 😂

It was a buttered roll, with a ladle of mince on.

A thing of infinite beauty and delight.

[Hibbyradge]

8 cans of McEwans export, a bottle of pomagne, never bothered with the programme, never saw much of the games either.:wink:

Pomagne, pah!

You've never had a proper scoop until you've had a bottle of Party Duck! That's what our lot used to bring along with the cans. :hilarious

I'd never seen it before and I've not seen it since!

[Billy Whizz]

It was a buttered roll, with a ladle of mince on.

A thing of infinite beauty and delight.

It’s common to have a pie in a roll in the Aberdeen area
Supermarkets also sell pie shells, so you can fill your own pie😳

[Ozyhibby]

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[easty]

It’s common to have a pie in a roll in the Aberdeen area
Supermarkets also sell pie shells, so you can fill your own pie😳

Pie on a roll is my go-to quick lunch. Love it.

[blackpoolhibs]

Pomagne, pah!

You've never had a proper scoop until you've had a bottle of Party Duck! That's what our lot used to bring along with the cans. :hilarious

I'd never seen it before and I've not seen it since!

Never heard of party duck, was it a chardonnay? :greengrin

[MelbourneHibees]

Lose tomorrow and I think we need to start looking elsewhere for post World Cup.

[bigwheel]

Lose tomorrow and I think we need to start looking elsewhere for post World Cup.

if we win does he get until Saturday ??

[Heisenberg]

Lose tomorrow and I think we need to start looking elsewhere for post World Cup.

Makes sense. Simply won’t work keeping the same manager for any longer than half a season at a time. Should keep changing until we get one in that wins every week.

[JimBHibees]

Makes sense. Simply won’t work keeping the same manager for any longer than half a season at a time. Should keep changing until we get one in that wins every week.

I think that strategy works :greengrin

[Ronniekirk]

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No surprise given we have lost five of our last six games
Two wins in the next two games though would address that
The Disappointment fir me is we went on a winning streak at the time LJ ssid the team should be gelling So credit where credits was due
But the pumping by Celtic has seen us throw thst impetis away ,revert to a back three , incorporating Bushiri and McGennis back into team , and with Boyle missing reverting to one up top v Aberdeen , and defensive frailties being exposed combined with not scoring when having the better possession
So Ross County game at home is one we need to show we csn bounce back in

[Tyler Durden]

No surprise given we have lost five of our last six games
Two wins in the next two games though would address that
The Disappointment fir me is we went on a winning streak at the time LJ ssid the team should be gelling So credit where credits was due
But the pumping by Celtic has seen us throw thst impetis away ,revert to a back three , incorporating Bushiri and McGennis back into team , and with Boyle missing reverting to one up top v Aberdeen , and defensive frailties being exposed combined with not scoring when having the better possession
So Ross County game at home is one we need to show we csn bounce back in

4 of the last 6, as the graphic shows.

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So 3 points covers 9 teams.

[Scorrie]

Performance in the first 45 mins v Ross County hopeless. Big second half for LJ. But I am just not convinced by him.

[chrisski33]

Performance in the first 45 mins v Ross County hopeless. Big second half for LJ. But I am just not convinced by him.

Hes all talk. Just hope we turn things round in second galf

[Hibs90]

Win or lose tonight far from convinced. The break for the WC is coming at the right time for him.

[Dmas]

I keep thinking it can’t be him we dominate games it’s normally a lapse in concentration or poor play that causes us to lose goals when we are in control a lot of it out of his hands but then these subs tonight, I love Lewis I wish he could be LB forever but he’s barely played and cabraja is on the bench, if cabraja is carrying a knock why is he there, myko the only forward scoring off at HT for a guy who hasn’t looked threatening since coming here, Hendo has been anonymous tonight but Kenneh is off.

[Heisenberg]

At some point, even though his decisions have been brutal tonight, you need to look deeper than the manager. If LJ fails then Ron needs to change the entire football structure. It’s clearly not working.

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

At some point, even though his decisions have been brutal tonight, you need to look deeper than the manager. If LJ fails then Ron needs to change the entire football structure. It’s clearly not working.

I don't see much changing until this happens.

[The Modfather]

At some point, even though his decisions have been brutal tonight, you need to look deeper than the manager. If LJ fails then Ron needs to change the entire football structure. It’s clearly not working.

Until that happens we’re simply Hearts under Budge & Levein. Churning through players, squads, managers & wasting millions in the process.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Here’s a stat.

Tonight will be LJs 19th game in charge, the same as Maloney got. If tonight’s result stays as it is, he’ll have picked up 26 points (forgetting some were cup games, but that’s actually doing LJ a favour doing it this way). Maloney got 24.

We haven’t improved a bit. ****ing garbage. And you know what, I don’t blame Maloney or LJ for it. The next man will have a similar record.

[Hibs90]

Here’s a stat.

Tonight will be LJs 19th game in charge, the same as Maloney got. If tonight’s result stays as it is, he’ll have picked up 26 points (forgetting some were cup games, but that’s actually doing LJ a favour doing it this way). Maloney got 24.

We haven’t improved a bit. ****ing garbage. And you know what, I don’t blame Maloney or LJ for it. The next man will have a similar record.

That’s a pretty horrendous stat

[Vault Boy]

That’s a pretty horrendous stat

It really is, I’d never have guessed that.

With the added black mark of being dumped out of the League Cup in the group stage.

[mcfly]

He has No idea what his best 11 is.

He can’t stop us losing the same pathetic goals every week.

Recruitment hasn’t helped him but he has to bin hanlon and sign a proper centre half or he will lose any goodwill he has.

I see no improvement at all.

[Scorrie]

Here’s a stat.

Tonight will be LJs 19th game in charge, the same as Maloney got. If tonight’s result stays as it is, he’ll have picked up 26 points (forgetting some were cup games, but that’s actually doing LJ a favour doing it this way). Maloney got 24.

We haven’t improved a bit. ****ing garbage. And you know what, I don’t blame Maloney or LJ for it. The next man will have a similar record.

Didn’t LJ have the final say on some of the recent signings? I got the impression he had. Anyway his tactics and formations are bizarre to say the least regardless of who signed this lot

[Stuart93]

He’s on a very very shoogly peg.

Nowhere near ****ing good enough

[MelbourneHibees]

Lose tomorrow and I think we need to start looking elsewhere for post World Cup.
Get him to ****.


if we win does he get until Saturday ??
No


Makes sense. Simply won’t work keeping the same manager for any longer than half a season at a time. Should keep changing until we get one in that wins every week.
A chimp should have been able to get us out of that League Cup group. The signs were there from the start. WC break gives us a freebie in terms of time to find a suitable replacement and the late December games give him a chance to find out who he wants and what he needs in January.

Does anyone trust Lee to make the right calls in January?

[chrisski33]

I feel really disillusioned with Hibs right now. Dunno if its because of the owners, players or manager.

[Sir David Gray]

Thank **** we played a few games against 10 men at the start of the season or we would be in serious bother right now.

[Nicho87]

The signing policy of signing anyone under 23 with a decent YouTube reel is not looking so good now.

[Ozyhibby]

Hope the new manager signs a midfielder in January or we’ll have to do all this again in a few months.[emoji35]


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[mcfly]

He has to start being ruthless and binning the players letting him down every week.

They just aren’t good enough. We need a new head of recruitment that knows what they’re doing.

Team is shambles and bottom 6 looms again.

Not impressed with Johnson at all. Talks a great game but his team is weak and pathetic

[Craig_in_Prague]

Lennon?

[MWHIBBIES]

Hope the new manager signs a midfielder in January or we’ll have to do all this again in a few months.[emoji35]


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Hopefully some forwards too, they're the real issue.

[Stuart93]

Here’s a stat.

Tonight will be LJs 19th game in charge, the same as Maloney got. If tonight’s result stays as it is, he’ll have picked up 26 points (forgetting some were cup games, but that’s actually doing LJ a favour doing it this way). Maloney got 24.

We haven’t improved a bit. ****ing garbage. And you know what, I don’t blame Maloney or LJ for it. The next man will have a similar record.

Didn’t realise things were that bad

He’d have a lot more pressure on him if hearts were better than they have been imo

[AL-Qaholik]

He’s done.

But it’s the people who appointed him who should be out the door first

[Hibs90]

Lennon?

Doesn’t matter who the manager is with the clowns running the place.

[Allyg69]

No manager would get anymore out of this group of players. Too soft and simply not up to the standard required. We need more steel and some more experienced players or else we only go in one direction and that is certainly not in an upward trajectory.

[allmodcons]

He's pish end of.Get him binned and offer job to David Martindale or Malky MacKay.No urgency in our play through midfield, no cutting edge at top end of pitch and our defence is losing terrible goals.Is that not 5 defeats in 6 games now? Relegation form.

[SHODAN]

Ross and Maloney were sacked the second they lost the fans and this will be no different. He'll be gone tomorrow.

It won't change anything.

[tonyrougier123]

Jury’s well and truly out now this is unacceptable by any standards.
The form is worrying and where we end up by end of December is scary to think about.

[loanheadhibby]

Hopefully some forwards too, they're the real issue.


We’ve not created a chance tonight.

[heretoday]

Johnson needs to spend less time on his hairstyle and more on the team.

[LunasBoots]

Team looks all over the place and unmotivated, going to take alot to turn this around, it's all too familiar.

[MikeyS]

Didn’t LJ have the final say on some of the recent signings? I got the impression he had. Anyway his tactics and formations are bizarre to say the least regardless of who signed this lot

Final say on 2 or 3 ***** options isn't really the final say

[Dmas]

Hopefully some forwards too, they're the real issue.

Lewandowski would struggle in this team for goals, midfield is a huge issue central and out wide, the reliance on full backs for creativity is unreal especially considering how poor both have been with final balls.

Newell has been playing decent to be fair to him but there's absolutely nothing alongside him no matter what combo we play

[Paulie Walnuts]

Final say on 2 or 3 ***** options isn't really the final say

:agree:

[The Baldmans Comb]

The manager was quick to tell us he gets the final sign off on all new signings and it goes without saying he picks the team, decides the tactics, motivates the players and decides on the substitutions.

He is failing and failing badly and he cant change and wont change as he looks down on Scottish football with his contempt for the League Cup, his lack of understanding of the opposition such as the cavalier approach to Celtic away and his overall smug arrogance that "We should expect a few beatings along the way".

It's just breathtaking Hibs have employed a manager who actually thinks like that but what we have is an arrogant little loser who looks down on Scottish football and doesn't give the respect they deserve to opposing teams.

[Mutu]

Give him the season ffs.

[Stuart93]

Ross and Maloney were sacked the second they lost the fans and this will be no different. He'll be gone tomorrow.

It won't change anything.

I doubt he’ll be gone tomorrow…he’ll only last after Christmas because of the World Cup

[Basildon Hibs]

No manager would get anymore out of this group of players. Too soft and simply not up to the standard required. We need more steel and some more experienced players or else we only go in one direction and that is certainly not in an upward trajectory.

Funny that. I've been saying that for years...🤔🤭

[Basildon Hibs]

Give him the season ffs.

You've got to be ****ing kidding !!??

[Jim44]

There’s not the remotest possibilty of LJ surviving this farce.

[Basildon Hibs]

The manager was quick to tell us he gets the final sign off on all new signings and it goes without saying he picks the team, decides the tactics, motivates the players and decides on the substitutions.

He is failing and failing badly and he cant change and wont change as he looks down on Scottish football with his contempt for the League Cup, his lack of understanding of the opposition such as the cavalier approach to Celtic away and his overall smug arrogance that "We should expect a few beatings along the way".

It's just breathtaking Hibs have employed a manager who actually thinks like that but what we have is an arrogant little loser who looks down on Scottish football and doesn't give the respect they deserve to opposing teams.

👍

[Hibernia&Alba]

Five defeats in six games just isn't on. He's in trouble, and we could soon be looking for yet another manager. It's crazy.

[skyehibee]

Pathetic management that. Any idiot could see playing 3 centre backs at home to Ross county wasn’t needed.

[Jim44]

Give him the season ffs.

On yer bike! He said ‘wait till September till you see my results’. We’ve seen them and more …… :yawn2:

[Heisenberg]

There’s not the remotest possibilty of LJ surviving this farce.

I think he will. Ron knows he can’t sack another one without him and his son getting serious heat.

[Nicho87]

3 centre half’s and Kenneh - awful tactics

[LunasBoots]

The manager was quick to tell us he gets the final sign off on all new signings and it goes without saying he picks the team, decides the tactics, motivates the players and decides on the substitutions.

He is failing and failing badly and he cant change and wont change as he looks down on Scottish football with his contempt for the League Cup, his lack of understanding of the opposition such as the cavalier approach to Celtic away and his overall smug arrogance that "We should expect a few beatings along the way".

It's just breathtaking Hibs have employed a manager who actually thinks like that but what we have is an arrogant little loser who looks down on Scottish football and doesn't give the respect they deserve to opposing teams.

Wish he would just get on with the job at times instead of coming out with comments before big games that constantly come back to bite him in the arse.

[Mrimbetween]

Mon then Lee , get out of this

Losing 5 from 6 as well

[LeithMike]

I think he will. Ron knows he can’t sack another one without him and his son getting serious heat.

Yep. No way can they admit they got this wrong too after the 6 hour interview without admitting they don’t know what they are doing.

And If we sack Lee then who picks the next manager all the while players continue to be signed with a view to striking it lucky.

We are only going to get out of this by changes right at the core of the club and there’s obvious reasons why that won’t happen.

It’s such a shame. The time we finally invest money in the football team and we don’t have a clue how to use it wisely.


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[GreenGray]

There’s not the remotest possibilty of LJ surviving this farce.

Have to say I highly doubt we’ll sack him.


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[MagicSwirlingShip]

Hopefully some forwards too, they're the real issue.

Nisbet back after the World Cup. Highly doubt we will get another.

[eastmainsmsh]

Totally baffling again tonight absolute *****

[MrSmith]

Should've heard him this morning on Radio Scotland, he's finished! There was no life nor motivation in his words and appears he has given up.

[Liam89]

Genuinely, what is wrong with you all / this fanbase? We're not going to be able to attract anyone decent to this club if we have a reputation of sacking our manager every time we go on a bad run. Where has sacking every manager got us? Give the man some time ffs.

[MrSmith]

Genuinely, what is wrong with you all / this fanbase? We're not going to be able to attract anyone decent to this club if we have a reputation of sacking our manager every time we go on a bad run. Where has sacking every manager got us? Give the man some time ffs.

Happy to give him time but when a manager talks in the fashion he did, it's clear he has given up!

[sean]

All very interesting...

If we split the games played into 3 different parts.


July / August:

In my opinion we started the season well during these months. Lots of new players who I was more than willing to give a chance as well as a new manager in charge. From the opening 5 matches, albeit only winning 1 match we looked a more resolute side with a little more steal about us. Win at Saints late on plus two hard fought battling draws with rangers and hearts we looked a much harder team to break down and has something about us that we didn't under Maloney. A loss at amondvale and and an abject display at st mirren blotted the copy book but maybe there were signs that once the new bodies bedded in we would at least be better than last season.

Winning Streak:

4 match winning where we got a settled side together with a settled formation and the final piece of the puzzle being brought in the lad Ukranian lad up top. 4-3-3 formation, at last the midfield had a little bit of everything in it with Campbell, Newell and Keenah finding his feet looking like a pretty tidy unit. Hanlon and Porto were excellent throughout and up top in Boyle and the big Mikola we had something different in both players. we started to play some nicer stuff too and I was genuinely excited to see where we could take this team.

Last 6 Matches:
1 win in the last 6 is not good reading but its the manner we have gone about it that I am scratching my head at. We start off getting beat off United, we played well and IF mikolas goal had stood we would have probably gone on too win the match. We then go to Celtic and get completely pummelled which can always happen but the manager came out and slaughters the players.

Things then get bizarre from here on in as we rip up a formation and change personal. 3-5-2 is now our chosen formation with Mgennis and Rocky both back into the side. ( Mgennis given huge fan fair has managed to get himself sent off and now injured during the period of time having contributed nothing to team) Rocky who was deemed as a mistake signing now is playing in a back 3 ( he's been absolutely magnificent btw, sometimes our best player) bearing in mind Lee didn't think he was up to it in July.

Campbell who is one of our top goalscorer has improved on last season, he's dynamic, direct and with an engine is dropped and hasn't had a look in. Henderson is now thrust into action in this 3-5-2 formation and has offered very little bar a goal versus Motherwell. The midfield from looking settled and fluid now looks like he's throwing random folk at it hoping it will stick all for this formational change.

Last night we then ditch Cabraja who's been a steady Eddie 7/10 every week for us in favour of a guy who hasn't played since last season ( who's hugely injury prone) thrust straight into the action without having any other minutes under his belt ( the reason apparently he fits the profile of a player we need to play against Ross county wide men) He then predictably gets injured and isn't replaced with our left back from the first 14 games but replaced by Lewis? now he maybe injured but from the outside he's slipped from one of the first names on the team sheet to 3rd choice full back over night.

We looked abject at best last night, a bit rudderless and its worrying.


I dont know who signs the players, is it Gordon Jnr, is it a committee, is it Lee or a mix of them all.

Whats clear to me is we've signed a huge amount of bodies and in the main most are not very good. We have so many players that are not contributing to the team or the squad in meanignful way.

Tavares, Youan, McKirdy, Bojan, Henderson, Melkersen for a start are not actually doing very much at all. Mcgeady an injury prone 36 year old is still out, Mcgennis for all his fan fair doesn't really play many matches, Mitchell injured constantly and has been all his career.

Our recruitment and now our tactics are poor.

I like Lee, he seems a great bloke but he's searching you can tell. He doesn't trust the signings and we are left in the main with a few good eggs but lots of mediocre new players on long term deals.

its a scatter gun approach in signings and formation, something needs to change.

[Hermit Crab]

Genuinely, what is wrong with you all / this fanbase? We're not going to be able to attract anyone decent to this club if we have a reputation of sacking our manager every time we go on a bad run. Where has sacking every manager got us? Give the man some time ffs.


The fan base are righty worried abut not finishing in the top half of the table and challenging for a Euro spot as well as being worried about possible relegation. They have every right to be concerned.

[Stuart93]

Mon then Lee , get out of this

Losing 5 from 6 as well

There’s a problem with the mentality of this squad. When we go on a losing run we struggle to get out of it.

There’s absolutely no-one in the squad/management team that strikes me as being able to get the players up for these type of games.

[MWHIBBIES]

We’ve not created a chance tonight.

Do you think forwards are there to just convert chances?

[Hibbyradge]

Final say on 2 or 3 ***** options isn't really the final say

What is the final say?

[the_ginger_hibee]

There’s a problem with the mentality of this squad. When we go on a losing run we struggle to get out of it.

There’s absolutely no-one in the squad/management team that strikes me as being able to get the players up for these type of games.

Normally teams look to the experienced pros to drag the rest up during a bad run. Our experienced 500+ game players are part of the reason for the run (and any bad run over the last 10 years!), continually letting us down and are not the types to grab games by the scruff of the neck.

Talk about Lee all you want. We actually need to have a difficult conversation about our desire for sentiment and mollycoddling of players who are nice guys and top professionals, but below average players.

If Lee goes, the same soft players will let the next manager down. As has been the case for so long.

[supermcginn]

The manager was quick to tell us he gets the final sign off on all new signings and it goes without saying he picks the team, decides the tactics, motivates the players and decides on the substitutions.

He is failing and failing badly and he cant change and wont change as he looks down on Scottish football with his contempt for the League Cup, his lack of understanding of the opposition such as the cavalier approach to Celtic away and his overall smug arrogance that "We should expect a few beatings along the way".

It's just breathtaking Hibs have employed a manager who actually thinks like that but what we have is an arrogant little loser who looks down on Scottish football and doesn't give the respect they deserve to opposing teams.

His career highlight as a player was winning the league cup with Kilmarnock, I highly doubt he he holds it in contempt.

[blackpoolhibs]

When you are spreading the money we've spent as thinly and poorly as we have, bar the obvious exceptions of Boyle and probably Marshall, all we've created is a squad of players that are very very average at best, and i'd actually say it was a poor squad.

But the manager does have the luxury of swapping players around if they are not performing, with others who wont perform either.

Get the guys who are recruiting this pish as far away from the club as possible.

And if Ron does not see what they have done to the squad/team since he arrived, you can GTF as well.

[Hermit Crab]

When you are spreading the money we've spent as thinly and poorly as we have, bar the obvious exceptions of Boyle and probably Marshall, all we've created is a squad of players that are very very average at best, and i'd actually say it was a poor squad.

But the manager does have the luxury of swapping players around if they are not performing, with others who wont perform either.

Get the guys who are recruiting this pish as far away from the club as possible.

And if Ron does not see what they have done to the squad/team since he arrived, you can GTF as well.


Bodo/Glimt has done us up like kippers for the boy Melkerson. If he was really that good they wouldn't have let him come to us. £400k is extortionate for a young laddie who is average at best.

[loanheadhibby]

Do you think forwards are there to just convert chances?

I’d hope that’s their main aim every game. If midfielder’s create chances for them they might score a few.

The whole team is a shambles from goalie thru to strikers.

[green day]

I’d hope that’s their main aim every game. If midfielder’s create chances for them they might score a few.

The whole team is a shambles from goalie thru to strikers.

What's Marshall done wrong ?

[Donegal Hibby]

I’d hope that’s their main aim every game. If midfielder’s create chances for them they might score a few.

The whole team is a shambles from goalie thru to strikers.
Bushiri got called out , now David Marshall.Our two best players in recent games it's priceless :faf::faf:

[I'm Spartacus]

We have been papering over the cracks, picked up 20 points this year and all bar 2 have required an injury time goal and a lengthy period of playing v 10 men. We could very easily be on 12 points, playing v 10 men for 80, 46, 40 and 30 miniutes x 2, as soon as teams keep 11 players on the park we just cannot cope (unless it's ***** like County or St Mirren). Only 2 wins I can see where we've not required some sort of advantage to get over the line.


St Johnstone 0-1
We played against 10 men for 30 minutes and scored a 90th minute winner

Hearts 1-1
We scored 5 minutes in to injury time to gain a point

Rangers 2-2
We played against 10 men for 30 minutes and 9 men for 15 minutes
We scored 90+2 to gain a point

Killie 1-0
We played against 10 men for 80 minutes, scored on 11 minutes and didn't get a sniff

Aberdeen 3-1
We played against 10 men for 46 minutes
Got the 3-1 win

Ross County 0-2
A legitimate 3 points

Motherwell 1-0
We played against 10 men for 40 minutes and got the 3 points

St Mirren 3-0
A legitimate 3 points

[JimBHibees]

Give him the season ffs.

Absolutely

[SlickShoes]

If we lose on Saturday I could see Ron using the break to launch him, but he should also launch the whole recruitment team at the same time.

The manager probably deserves to get a whole season in my opinion, unless we are stranded at the bottom.

The most worrying thing is that our team is still reliant on the same players; none of the new signings other than Marshall, Rocky and Mykola look anywhere near the level we need them to be at.

If the players we sign are not good enough, then we shouldn't be signing them. I know not all signings work out but other than those three you could argue no other signing we have made has really been worth it.

[Donegal Hibby]

Give him the season ffs.
Totally agree . 👍

[Unseen work]

I’m one for giving him time and not wanting him sacked but after Dundee United beating Killie 4-0 tonight it will heap more pressure onto Johnson and Hibs to win this weekend.

Unfortunately when teams get battered like that they tend to be relatively solid the next game.

[matty_f]

I’m one for giving him time and not wanting him sacked but after Dundee United beating Killie 4-0 tonight it will heap more pressure onto Johnson and Hibs to win this weekend.

Unfortunately when teams get battered like that they tend to be relatively solid the next game.

Apart from us.

[Ronniekirk]

Bodo/Glimt has done us up like kippers for the boy Melkerson. If he was really that good they wouldn't have let him come to us. £400k is extortionate for a young laddie who is average at best.

That was The Chief Executive s call as he had links with someone at that Club
Given his two goal vMotherwell thete has to be a player in there but not sure why he hasn’t developed further Although it was z Jasper that set him up

[JimBHibees]

We have been papering over the cracks, picked up 20 points this year and all bar 2 have required an injury time goal and a lengthy period of playing v 10 men. We could very easily be on 12 points, playing v 10 men for 80, 46, 40 and 30 miniutes x 2, as soon as teams keep 11 players on the park we just cannot cope (unless it's ***** like County or St Mirren). Only 2 wins I can see where we've not required some sort of advantage to get over the line.


St Johnstone 0-1
We played against 10 men for 30 minutes and scored a 90th minute winner

Hearts 1-1
We scored 5 minutes in to injury time to gain a point

Rangers 2-2
We played against 10 men for 30 minutes and 9 men for 15 minutes
We scored 90+2 to gain a point

Killie 1-0
We played against 10 men for 80 minutes, scored on 11 minutes and didn't get a sniff

Aberdeen 3-1
We played against 10 men for 46 minutes
Got the 3-1 win

Ross County 0-2
A legitimate 3 points

Motherwell 1-0
We played against 10 men for 40 minutes and got the 3 points

St Mirren 3-0
A legitimate 3 points

All games we win are legitimate three points not our fault other teams discipline is poor.

[chippy]

Absolutely

I’ll give him another 6 games if he wins on Saturday , if he wins 4 out of that 7 he can probably get the full season

[matty_f]

All games we win are legitimate three points not our fault other teams discipline is poor.

No, having a man (or men) sent off was the only reason we took points in those games. No other factors are relevant.

[JohnM1875]

That was The Chief Executive s call as he had links with someone at that Club
Given his two goal vMotherwell thete has to be a player in there but not sure why he hasn’t developed further Although it was z Jasper that set him up

Call me mental but I thought Melks was pretty much the only positive against County. The boys 19. I'd be starting him every game if he's fit.

[matty_f]

Call me mental but I thought Melks was pretty much the only positive against County. The boys 19. I'd be starting him every game if he's fit.

I thought he was good as well.

[Iain G]

No, having a man (or men) sent off was the only reason we took points in those games. No other factors are relevant.

Not strictly true Matty! There were games when out good play forced the fouls that got them sent off.

[matty_f]

Not strictly true Matty! There were games when out good play forced the fouls that got them sent off.

Yeah, I know :wink:

[JohnM1875]

I thought he was good as well.

Some folk are unbelievably critical of Melkersen and Kenneh, both 19 year old boys.

I'm not sure if it's because they haven't come through our academy or not, but i’d bet academy players would get a lot less stick.

[Iain G]

I’ll give him another 6 games if he wins on Saturday , if he wins 4 out of that 7 he can probably get the full season

Give him another 2 windows, we need to build on the positives we have seen this season.

[Iain G]

Yeah, I know :wink:

I hadn't read the whole thread so sorry if I missed the context! Am on holiday and forgot we were playing 🤣

[Donegal Hibby]

Give him another 2 windows, we need to build on the positives we have seen this season.
I'd give him that too. He will get it right given 2 windows ,he has at other clubs done really good when he was at them .

[PaulSmith]

If anyone listened to the podcast with Graeme Spiers and Ron Gordon they’d realise that he craves stability in his business. He seems to regret the sacking of Jack Ross and the appt of Maloney was a disaster.

I just can’t see him sacking LJ with us, unbelievably, being just two points off 3rd place.

He’ll be afforded the time for the injured players to come back, he’ll get the transfer window and it’ll take something drastic for him to act.

[mcfly]

Bodo/Glimt has done us up like kippers for the boy Melkerson. If he was really that good they wouldn't have let him come to us. £400k is extortionate for a young laddie who is average at best.

The lad is 21 for goodness sake, he’s arrived in a new country - give him a break.

It’s not him that’s making all the mistakes and conceding goals. What about folk
Like hanlon who has been an amazing servant but he’s been part of a squad that’s had about 6-7 managers the sack.

As a club we are too loyal, we need a ruthless clearout starting with the centre of defence and a ball winning midfielder.

So obvious what’s needed

[Donegal Hibby]

If anyone listened to the podcast with Graeme Spiers and Ron Gordon they’d realise that he craves stability in his business. He seems to regret the sacking of Jack Ross and the appt of Maloney was a disaster.

I just can’t see him sacking LJ with us, unbelievably, being just two points off 3rd place.

He’ll be afforded the time for the injured players to come back, he’ll get the transfer window and it’ll take something drastic for him to act.
You think maybe they might back him a bit more in January transfer window ? Just a thought I had that maybe they might push the budget a bit .

[chippy]

Absolutely

I’ll give him another 6 games if he wins on Saturday , if he wins 4 out of that 7 he can probably get the full season

[JohnM1875]

The lad is 21 for goodness sake, he’s arrived in a new country - give him a break.

It’s not him that’s making all the mistakes and conceding goals. What about folk
Like hanlon who has been an amazing servant but he’s been part of a squad that’s had about 6-7 managers the sack.

As a club we are too loyal, we need a ruthless clearout starting with the centre of defence and a ball winning midfielder.

So obvious what’s needed

... He's 19.

[Sir David Gray]

We have been papering over the cracks, picked up 20 points this year and all bar 2 have required an injury time goal and a lengthy period of playing v 10 men. We could very easily be on 12 points, playing v 10 men for 80, 46, 40 and 30 miniutes x 2, as soon as teams keep 11 players on the park we just cannot cope (unless it's ***** like County or St Mirren). Only 2 wins I can see where we've not required some sort of advantage to get over the line.


St Johnstone 0-1
We played against 10 men for 30 minutes and scored a 90th minute winner

Hearts 1-1
We scored 5 minutes in to injury time to gain a point

Rangers 2-2
We played against 10 men for 30 minutes and 9 men for 15 minutes
We scored 90+2 to gain a point

Killie 1-0
We played against 10 men for 80 minutes, scored on 11 minutes and didn't get a sniff

Aberdeen 3-1
We played against 10 men for 46 minutes
Got the 3-1 win

Ross County 0-2
A legitimate 3 points

Motherwell 1-0
We played against 10 men for 40 minutes and got the 3 points

St Mirren 3-0
A legitimate 3 points

I think the 10 men stat is quite significant but I think claiming that those wins v 10 men were somehow not legitimate victories completely undermines the rest of the point you're making.

We did do well in those games to take advantage of the situation and in a number of these games the red cards were produced as a result of our good play.

There's no doubt in my mind though that 7 points from 10 games where we have faced 11 men for a full 90 minutes is a real concern.

[wookie70]

Call me mental but I thought Melks was pretty much the only positive against County. The boys 19. I'd be starting him every game if he's fit.
So would I. He makes some great runs, tries some flicks in the right area and works really hard when defending. Give him a chance to form some sort of partnership. Our biggest problem is we don't play with any flow. It is like a team of strangers. We did well when the team was stable and now he keeps picking different players every game albeit injuries have played a part. If we are going two up top then pick two and give them 3 or 4 games

[B.H.F.C]

So would I. He makes some great runs, tries some flicks in the right area and works really hard when defending. Give him a chance to form some sort of partnership. Our biggest problem is we don't play with any flow. It is like a team of strangers. We did well when the team was stable and now he keeps picking different players every game albeit injuries have played a part. If we are going two up top then pick two and give them 3 or 4 games

Felt sorry for him last night. Started brightly. Made dozens of runs but by the time the ball had went across the back three, in to the midfield, back to the back three and back in to midfield before someone was finally ready to play the ball forward, it was far too late.

[Smartie]

I thought he was good as well.

I thought he was very mixed.

He started brightly and one or two touches were sublime.

The promising start gave way to a pretty poor performance imo and as good as some of his touches were, some were pitiful.

His positioning (and Henderson’s) looked a bit suspect to me, he struggled to link with the midfield.

[HibeeHibernia]

Some folk are unbelievably critical of Melkersen and Kenneh, both 19 year old boys.

I'm not sure if it's because they haven't come through our academy or not, but i’d bet academy players would get a lot less stick.

like hanlon, stevenson and campbell lol?

[Unseen work]

Call me mental but I thought Melks was pretty much the only positive against County. The boys 19. I'd be starting him every game if he's fit.

Said similar on another thread.

First 10/15 minutes we looked good and imo that was down to getting the ball into Melkersens feet, he had a couple of really good moments of play and has the confidence to try things like his flick to Henderson which was really unlucky not to come off.

Done well off the bench against Aberdeen and st Mirren too through getting in the box, linking play and making a nuisance of himself.

He’d be starting for me. Like you say, still very very young. Peoples expectations about him were wild considering he had just turned 19 when he joined

[MWHIBBIES]

Call me mental but I thought Melks was pretty much the only positive against County. The boys 19. I'd be starting him every game if he's fit.

He was dreadful. Lost it every time it went near him. I actually don't mind him but his first touch is really poor. Couldn't keep it at all.

[JimBHibees]

No, having a man (or men) sent off was the only reason we took points in those games. No other factors are relevant.

:greengrin

[chrisski33]

like hanlon, stevenson and campbell lol?

We should be playing some of the u19s instead if Melks tbh

[cameronw-hfc]

We should be playing some of the u19s instead if Melks tbh

No, we shouldn't. Since they got rid of the U21 league I'm not sure people realise how far away these kids are. They're not 19/20 year olds coming in, most are 16-18. One look at them, and you can see they're not physically ready yet. Alex Harris, Sam Stanton and Danny Handling are 3 perfect examples of why you can't just throw kids in. All three had the ability, but all 3 we're very small and slight, throw them in too soon and you risk shattering their confidence.

They need a loan ideally first.

[Bridge hibs]

No, we shouldn't. Since they got rid of the U21 league I'm not sure people realise how far away these kids are. They're not 19/20 year olds coming in, most are 16-18. One look at them, and you can see they're not physically ready yet. Alex Harris, Sam Stanton and Danny Handling are 3 perfect examples of why you can't just throw kids in. All three had the ability, but all 3 we're very small and slight, throw them in too soon and you risk shattering their confidence.

They need a loan ideally first.Wouldnt really put Harris in with them, the lad showed he had talent, his superb goal at Hampden proved that, his terrible injury v Motherwell at Easter rd appeared to shatter his confidence and he was a completely different player and never had that same drive when he returned

[hibsbollah]

Said similar on another thread.

First 10/15 minutes we looked good and imo that was down to getting the ball into Melkersens feet, he had a couple of really good moments of play and has the confidence to try things like his flick to Henderson which was really unlucky not to come off.

Done well off the bench against Aberdeen and st Mirren too through getting in the box, linking play and making a nuisance of himself.

He’d be starting for me. Like you say, still very very young. Peoples expectations about him were wild considering he had just turned 19 when he joined

I thought the flick to Henderson was lovely, but that aside he was bullied throughout. In the situation we're in, in the SPFL at this stage in his development, i dont think he's going to help us.

[J-C]

Melkersen isn't a hold up striker, not his game, he makes intelligent runs between the defenders and is fairly intelligent with or without the ball. On the left of a front 3 should be perfect for him.

[Fuzzywuzzy]

I wonder if Johnson has now had the first kiss of death. Lewis backing him

[blackpoolhibs]

Some folk are unbelievably critical of Melkersen and Kenneh, both 19 year old boys.

I'm not sure if it's because they haven't come through our academy or not, but i’d bet academy players would get a lot less stick.

I'm critical of Melkerson because apart from his first game away at Motherwell, he's looked like a fish out of water, gets bullied way too easily and contributes nothing.

Kenneh is young, he's not good enough yet or what we needed. We needed players in who were better than we already had, he might get there but we cant have a midfield as weak as we have and expect to win many games.

Throw in Henderson, Tavarez, Youan Cadden and Newell and there's nobody in there who can take a game by the scuff of the neck and frighten our opponents into mistakes.

All you have to do against us is match our grit, and hey presto we've run out of ideas.

[Fuzzywuzzy]

Mcgeady was brought in for a reason. The injury scuppered that and you now wonder whether we will get anything out of him at all.

[green day]

Melkersen isn't a hold up striker, not his game, he makes intelligent runs between the defenders and is fairly intelligent with or without the ball. On the left of a front 3 should be perfect for him.

Just to piggyback on this point, we have a number of players who will be "perfect" for certain positions or formations but struggle in other formations.

i.e. Cabraja works in a back 4, but not really as a 5. Rocky as one of 2 CH but not as the current 3, and we all can see that Cadden isnt a fullback and only seems to work in a more advanced role if Boyle plays. etc

What we have difficulty with is crowbarring all of our better players into a formation that works for the team.

I still find it hard to believe that the manager signed off on getting all these players, so many feel like square pegs in round holes, and for the most part we are still playing a lot of the guys we all knew were not good enough last season.

[Spike Mandela]

Now that the dust has settled on the midweek games and a sore disappointing result against Ross County it’s worth reflecting that if we’d won, as expected, we would still have been 3rd in the league.

The league is so tight we need one of Streky Lee’s famous winning streaks to maybe stretch us away from the pack before another team does it.

[Hibbyradge]

The lad is 21 for goodness sake, he’s arrived in a new country - give him a break.

It’s not him that’s making all the mistakes and conceding goals. What about folk
Like hanlon who has been an amazing servant but he’s been part of a squad that’s had about 6-7 managers the sack.

As a club we are too loyal, we need a ruthless clearout starting with the centre of defence and a ball winning midfielder.

So obvious what’s needed

I agree with the first part of your post, not so much the second.

It's not so simple and obvious at all.

A clearout won't solve anything. It will merely leave us short of players.

We need to recruit better players to replace the ones we have and that isn't easy on our budget.

I regularly see people posting lists of players with "get rid" or similar against their name like they're characters in some fantasy football management game.

"Getting rid" itself is expensive and then we need to recruit guaranteed improvements. Clearly they need to hit the ground running or you'll be posting the first part of your post again and again.

Building a team takes either a lot of money or time. We don't have the former and if the fans won't give the club the time, we'll never improve.

[Iain G]

It's not so simple and obvious at all.

A clearout won't solve anything. It will merely leave us short of players.

We need to recruit better players than the ones we have to replace them and that isn't easy on our budget.

I regularly see people posting lists of players with "get rid" or similar against their name like they're characters in some fantasy football management game.

"Getting rid" itself is expensive and then we need to recruit guaranteed improvements.

Building a team takes either a lot of money or time. We don't have the former and if the fans won't give the club the time, we'll never improve.

What he said! We need some stability with management and coaching and time to develop the squad, get in the best players we can to play the way Lee wants us to play. He needs to be given time and some trust to do that.

[hibsbollah]

I agree with the first part of your post, not so much the second.

It's not so simple and obvious at all.

A clearout won't solve anything. It will merely leave us short of players.

We need to recruit better players to replace the ones we have and that isn't easy on our budget.

I regularly see people posting lists of players with "get rid" or similar against their name like they're characters in some fantasy football management game.

"Getting rid" itself is expensive and then we need to recruit guaranteed improvements. Clearly they need to hit the ground running or you'll be posting the first part of your post again and again.

Building a team takes either a lot of money or time. We don't have the former and if the fans won't give the club the time, we'll never improve.

This is true. ‘Getting rid’ unless it’s an actual disruptive présence in the dressing room, is just burning money. I would gladly see the back of Ewan Henderson at the moment but what’s the alternative?loan deal?

[Crab apple]

Wouldnt really put Harris in with them, the lad showed he had talent, his superb goal at Hampden proved that, his terrible injury v Motherwell at Easter rd appeared to shatter his confidence and he was a completely different player and never had that same drive when he returned

I agree about Alex. He was never the same after that injury. Horrible tackle - was it Hammell the current Well manager who did it?

[Alfred E Newman]

This is true. ‘Getting rid’ unless it’s an actual disruptive présence in the dressing room, is just burning money. I would gladly see the back of Ewan Henderson at the moment but what’s the alternative?loan deal?

I would start by getting shot of all the players on loan. Ok, you can sometimes get the use of a player you couldn't afford to buy for a few months but in our case we have just filled the squad with very ordinary young players who are filling the bench at the expense of our youngsters. It might be helping their parent clubs but I can't see what benefit we are getting.

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

Now that the dust has settled on the midweek games and a sore disappointing result against Ross County it’s worth reflecting that if we’d won, as expected, we would still have been 3rd in the league.

The league is so tight we need one of Streky Lee’s famous winning streaks to maybe stretch us away from the pack before another team does it.

The league is so tight or the league is so s***e? 🤔

[Hibbyradge]

I would start by getting shot of all the players on loan. Ok, you can sometimes get the use of a player you couldn't afford to buy for a few months but in our case we have just filled the squad with very ordinary young players who are filling the bench at the expense of our youngsters. It might be helping their parent clubs but I can't see what benefit we are getting.

Kuharevych is on loan.

[Smartie]

Said similar on another thread.

First 10/15 minutes we looked good and imo that was down to getting the ball into Melkersens feet, he had a couple of really good moments of play and has the confidence to try things like his flick to Henderson which was really unlucky not to come off.

Done well off the bench against Aberdeen and st Mirren too through getting in the box, linking play and making a nuisance of himself.

He’d be starting for me. Like you say, still very very young. Peoples expectations about him were wild considering he had just turned 19 when he joined

If he's in the first team then the level of expectation should be that of a Hibs first team player irrespective of his age.

He'd earned his start with a couple of lively performances off the bench but I thought he was quite far short of the required quality on Tuesday, just as he's looked almost every time he's started (Motherwell in the cup away excepted).

We were looking to get the goals to get us back into a game against Ross County at home and he didn't have what it took to get the better of their defenders. I'm not in the "get rid" camp, I'm in the "not yet ready to play a major role in the first team camp, might be one day but might not" camp.

I think we should be expecting Hibs strikers to be giving Ross County defenders a tougher time than that, no matter how old they are, and I don't necessarily think he's much stronger or better off for the experience the other night.

[SlickShoes]

If he's in the first team then the level of expectation should be that of a Hibs first team player irrespective of his age.

He'd earned his start with a couple of lively performances off the bench but I thought he was quite far short of the required quality on Tuesday, just as he's looked almost every time he's started (Motherwell in the cup away excepted).

We were looking to get the goals to get us back into a game against Ross County at home and he didn't have what it took to get the better of their defenders. I'm not in the "get rid" camp, I'm in the "not yet ready to play a major role in the first team camp, might be one day but might not" camp.

I think we should be expecting Hibs strikers to be giving Ross County defenders a tougher time than that, no matter how old they are, and I don't necessarily think he's much stronger or better off for the experience the other night.

I agree with you, but the other night also had all the hallmarks of last season, where our strikers are just isolated on their own, they either hold up the ball and wait for the slowest midfield on earth to provide support, or they conjure something out of nothing. 5 defenders, + Kenneh at home against Ross Co. was bonkers, that left basically Henderson as the only one pushing forward because Newell was in one of his huffs.

The balls that were delivered into the box for them were beyond terrible. The player Caddens crosses reached more than any other was Tavares, on the other wing.

From the vantage point of TV, you can see Melkersen making smart runs into space, and you can also see Joe Newell/AN Other Midfielder take a touch and pass it back to Hanlon or whoever is behind him.

[Alfred E Newman]

Kuharevych is on loan.

He won't be here long, I think it was mentioned that he could be away in January. Where's the future in that?

[Unseen work]

If he's in the first team then the level of expectation should be that of a Hibs first team player irrespective of his age.

He'd earned his start with a couple of lively performances off the bench but I thought he was quite far short of the required quality on Tuesday, just as he's looked almost every time he's started (Motherwell in the cup away excepted).

We were looking to get the goals to get us back into a game against Ross County at home and he didn't have what it took to get the better of their defenders. I'm not in the "get rid" camp, I'm in the "not yet ready to play a major role in the first team camp, might be one day but might not" camp.

I think we should be expecting Hibs strikers to be giving Ross County defenders a tougher time than that, no matter how old they are, and I don't necessarily think he's much stronger or better off for the experience the other night.

Disagree.

He has responsibility of course, but I wouldn’t put the same expectation on a young player coming through as I would with a seasoned pro.

As much as I think he needs to give the defenders a tougher time, some of that comes from the defence and midfield too. First 10 minutes he got on the ball, linked play, played some nice 1-2’s and skinned his man. Then we started just shelling balls up to him and into the box.

We need to play to our strengths and the oppositions weakness more. Unfortunately we done the opposite of that on Tuesday

[Brightside]

Just to piggyback on this point, we have a number of players who will be "perfect" for certain positions or formations but struggle in other formations.

i.e. Cabraja works in a back 4, but not really as a 5. Rocky as one of 2 CH but not as the current 3, and we all can see that Cadden isnt a fullback and only seems to work in a more advanced role if Boyle plays. etc

What we have difficulty with is crowbarring all of our better players into a formation that works for the team.

I still find it hard to believe that the manager signed off on getting all these players, so many feel like square pegs in round holes, and for the most part we are still playing a lot of the guys we all knew were not good enough last season.

Rocky is much better in a 3 it’s why we are playing him. LJ will have to drop one of them to go back to a 4. He’s not as good in a 4 as it’s all more rushed. There is nothing wrong with Cabraja as a wing back. He’s set up plenty chances.

[B.H.F.C]

I agree with you, but the other night also had all the hallmarks of last season, where our strikers are just isolated on their own, they either hold up the ball and wait for the slowest midfield on earth to provide support, or they conjure something out of nothing. 5 defenders, + Kenneh at home against Ross Co. was bonkers, that left basically Henderson as the only one pushing forward because Newell was in one of his huffs.

The balls that were delivered into the box for them were beyond terrible. The player Caddens crosses reached more than any other was Tavares, on the other wing.

From the vantage point of TV, you can see Melkersen making smart runs into space, and you can also see Joe Newell/AN Other Midfielder take a touch and pass it back to Hanlon or whoever is behind him.

Mentioned about Melkersen making countless runs but not receiving the ball elsewhere. That’s where it comes back to a complete lack of creativity in the middle of the park. Felt sorry for him as you can tell he wants to do well but young players need to come in to a team that can help them and he’s not had that help since he’s been here.

[Hibees1973]

He won't be here long, I think it was mentioned that he could be away in January. Where's the future in that?

Thought that was the son of Ron's signing strategy.

Signing guys with no future at Hibs.

[Hibees1973]

The whole football management game is a farce and a charade.

Johnson was quoted on Tuesday night that 'Hibs will be successful'. He also apologised again to the support for the performance. How can he possibly say Hibs will be successful, is this under him or in 20 years time. He can't possibly promise this. Apologies are not what he should be dishing out. If we get beat on Saturday will he spout the same garbage again.

He is responsible for what happens on the park and up until now I have not seen any improvement at all under him.

I reckon he will not be here by the end of January. Ron will sack yet another manager then where does he go from there.

[1620]

No, we shouldn't. Since they got rid of the U21 league I'm not sure people realise how far away these kids are. They're not 19/20 year olds coming in, most are 16-18. One look at them, and you can see they're not physically ready yet. Alex Harris, Sam Stanton and Danny Handling are 3 perfect examples of why you can't just throw kids in. All three had the ability, but all 3 we're very small and slight, throw them in too soon and you risk shattering their confidence.

They need a loan ideally first.

Whatever happened to the B team that the club shelled out loads on for 19/20 year olds that was supposed to form the bridge between the kids and the first team. Were they not going to play regular games against similar aged teams from English clubs to get them ready for first team duty. Haven’t heard much about these games. Instead most of these 19/20 year olds are being thrown into the first team now and are proving to be totally inadequate at that level just as most fans knew would happen and when most of us were demanding the recruitment of ready made first team players. Something has gone very wrong with the big plan!

[HibeeHibernia]

We should be playing some of the u19s instead if Melks tbh

I was surprised at the size of most of the 19s mate if I'm honest they look nowhere near ready to make the jump up to the first team imo

[Hibbyradge]

He won't be here long, I think it was mentioned that he could be away in January. Where's the future in that?

That wasn't the point.

[Alfred E Newman]

That wasn't the point.

Sorry Hr I don't know what your point is, but if it's his potential, I would rather we brought in a centre forward that was going to be here for a decent period of time and someone we could maybe build a strike force around.

[Hibbyradge]

Sorry Hr I don't know what your point is, but if it's his potential, I would rather we brought in a centre forward that was going to be here for a decent period of time and someone we could maybe build a strike force around.

Of course, I totally agree, but if that player isn't available or affordable, good quality loans to tide us over are the way to go, imo.

[Iain G]

The whole football management game is a farce and a charade.

Johnson was quoted on Tuesday night that 'Hibs will be successful'. He also apologised again to the support for the performance. How can he possibly say Hibs will be successful, is this under him or in 20 years time. He can't possibly promise this. Apologies are not what he should be dishing out. If we get beat on Saturday will he spout the same garbage again.

He is responsible for what happens on the park and up until now I have not seen any improvement at all under him.

I reckon he will not be here by the end of January. Ron will sack yet another manager then where does he go from there.

You haven't seen an improvement since Maloney or Ross? I suggest your eyes are painted on then.

[SteveHFC]

Johnson's interview on the BBC.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/63588568

[Billy Whizz]

Johnson's interview on the BBC.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/63588568

It’s quite short

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Q9RO7ZTCd-M

[Hibees1973]

You haven't seen an improvement since Maloney or Ross? I suggest your eyes are painted on then.

Based on what I've seen in the last couple of weeks and given we are in 7th place, no I've not seen an improvement.