We need to talk about Lee

[bingo70]

It’s still massively bigger. How many times wages do you need to pay before a club shouldn’t be able to compete with another?

The poster clearly didn’t mean we can never lose another game against St Mirren or the likes yet you jumped on it but then went on to suggest we shouldn’t be able to get anywhere against Celtic.

He said the losses against them need to stop, I’m not sure what I’ve missed but that’s a crazy perspective to have, of course they won’t stop.

Celtic and Rangers are miles and miles better than us and if we are to get close to them we need a bit luck and them to have an off day, neither of those things happened today. That’s pretty obvious stuff to be honest.

[B.H.F.C]

Johnson’s lack of reaction in the first half? He made 4 subs at half time!

I also don’t know what changes he made during the first half but something he’s as McKirdy went from only being on the left to popping up on the right so something happened and we went the last 20 minutes if the first half without conceding compared to losing 3 in the first half of it.

I think that’s a really odd criticism to be honest.

Aye, so no in the first half then?

He needed to act earlier, like he did at home to Rangers.

[Paulie Walnuts]

He said the losses against them need to stop, I’m not sure what I’ve missed but that’s a crazy perspective to have, of course they won’t stop.

Celtic and Rangers are miles and miles better than us and if we are to get close to them we need a bit luck and them to have an off day, neither of those things happened today. That’s pretty obvious stuff to be honest.

We’ve played 7 games against teams with smaller budgets than us this season and lost 3 of them. I don’t think the poster had to point out he didn’t mean we can’t ever lose a game against these teams again and that we need to reduce the frequency of these defeats but here we are.

[bingo70]

Aye, so no in the first half then?

He needed to act earlier, like he did at home to Rangers.

He changed it to stop us losing goals at the rate we were then at the most sensible time he changed the personnel.

[B.H.F.C]

He changed it to stop us losing goals at the rate we were then at the most sensible time he changed the personnel.

All he did first half was swap Boyle and McKirdy.

He got loads of praise for the two early subs against Rangers. Needed that today. Or as a minimum, needed to change the shape.

[loanheadhibby]

All he did first half was swap Boyle and McKirdy.

He got loads of praise for the two early subs against Rangers. Needed that today. Or as a minimum, needed to change the shape.

Or he could get his tactics better from the start. 3 upfront to Celtic is insanity. Especially with a midfield of Kenneh, Newell & Campbell.

[bingo70]

All he did first half was swap Boyle and McKirdy.

He got loads of praise for the two early subs against Rangers. Needed that today. Or as a minimum, needed to change the shape.

Sorry, you’re a good poster and I normally agree with your posts but I can’t agree with you here.

We lost 3 early goals from their only three shots on goal, one a freak goalie mistake and then we kept them at bay for 20 minutes or so until we made 4 changes at half time.

He got the starting 11 wrong IMO but I can see why, the idea he could have done something different in terms of changing the team during the 16 minute spell they scored three goals is just silly, especially when one of those goals was a freak goalie mistake.

[bingo70]

Or he could get his tactics better from the start. 3 upfront to Celtic is insanity. Especially with a midfield of Kenneh, Newell & Campbell.

It wasn’t three up front. It was big Mike up front with Boyle and McKirdy playing in a 4/5/1 4/3/3 formation depending if we had the ball or not.

[B.H.F.C]

Or he could get his tactics better from the start. 3 upfront to Celtic is insanity. Especially with a midfield of Kenneh, Newell & Campbell.

I can live with that. Nobody gets everything right all the time. But not recognising it early enough was the biggest mistake for me.

[BoomtownHibees]

It wasn’t three up front. It was big Mike up front with Boyle and McKirdy playing in a 4/5/1 4/3/3 formation depending if we had the ball or not.

433 is 3 up front. If it was a 451 without the ball then the 2 wide players were so far off it, getting caught too far up the park when Celtc got the ball wide

[one day maybe...]

Watching Everton frustrate Spurs who have by far the superior possession is how I feel we should have played today, on the break with Boyle support Kukharevych. Everton really shuld be 2 up as they have had the better chances. Hopefully Lee learns something from today and doesn't make the same errors again. We are a work in progress and still in dire need of a few new faces.
I still like what he (Lee) is bringing to Hibs at the moment. :flag:

[Heisenberg]

LJ has had a right go at the players after today.

https://twitter.com/scotlandsky/status/1581332097368817666?s=46&t=xgWViLPJQkME0qEcOHgYHA

[bingo70]

433 is 3 up front. If it was a 451 without the ball then the 2 wide players were so far off it, getting caught too far up the park when Celtc got the ball wide

Formations are fluid now, it’s not a computer game.

We never played with 3 strikers up front waiting on the ball coming up to them isolated from the midfield like what was suggested.

[one day maybe...]

LJ has had a right go at the players after today.

https://twitter.com/scotlandsky/status/1581332097368817666?s=46&t=xgWViLPJQkME0qEcOHgYHA

Brutally honest.. Step up or you'll be moved on.. Goof on him

[Hibs90]

LJ has had a right go at the players after today.

https://twitter.com/scotlandsky/status/1581332097368817666?s=46&t=xgWViLPJQkME0qEcOHgYHA

He should take a look at the person who picked them and set them up that way, unless he’s suggesting they didn’t follow his instructions?

[BoomtownHibees]

Formations are fluid now, it’s not a computer game.

We never played with 3 strikers up front waiting on the ball coming up to them isolated from the midfield like what was suggested.

All that was suggested was that playing 3 up front was insanity, u disagreed that we played 3 up front. Nothing to do with being isolated etc

[JohnM1875]

He should take a look at the person who picked them and set them up that way, unless he’s suggesting they didn’t follow his instructions?

I think he's absolutely suggesting they didn't follow his instructions.

[J-C]

LJ has had a right go at the players after today.

https://twitter.com/scotlandsky/status/1581332097368817666?s=46&t=xgWViLPJQkME0qEcOHgYHA


Basically saying shape up or ship out, too many players again vanishing into their wee shells.

[Heisenberg]

He should take a look at the person who picked them and set them up that way, unless he’s suggesting they didn’t follow his instructions?

Think he’s pretty clear in saying his instructions weren’t followed.

[one day maybe...]

I think he's absolutely suggesting they didn't follow his instructions.

100% he is

[loanheadhibby]

Brutally honest.. Step up or you'll be moved on.. Goof on him

And I hope he’s looking in the mirror to deliver the same message. It’s cliche after cliche with LJ. Let’s start seeing some improvements on the road.

Our home form has improved.

[one day maybe...]

And I hope he’s looking in the mirror to deliver the same message. It’s cliche after cliche with LJ. Let’s start seeing some improvements on the road.

Our home form has improved.

Agree we need to be picking up more points away from ER

[Hiber-nation]

I like the comments but McKirdy should never ever have started that game.

[A Hi-Bee]

LJ has had a right go at the players after today.

https://twitter.com/scotlandsky/status/1581332097368817666?s=46&t=xgWViLPJQkME0qEcOHgYHA

Well said L.J. the players get praised enough when they do alright, and why should they not be pulled up for showing such a lack of fight, lack of ability I can deal with but lying down to them gunts is not on.

[JohnM1875]

I like the comments but McKirdy should never ever have started that game.

I do agree. But there were plenty folk asking for him to start over Youan since Tuesday, even before then.

He's still trying to figure out his best team. Mitchell coming back will add to that as well as LJ seems to really rate him.

[bingo70]

Agree we need to be picking up more points away from ER

We’ve gone from about 8th to 3rd so far. If we continue that by having good home form then that’s good with me.

[Mikey_1875]

I’m not convinced on the psychological take on it from LJ. While it might play a part I think he needs to realise that our players will never be as technically good as Celtics and prepare appropriately.

I get what he means in that if one person in the team doesn’t follow the press then it will fall apart but that’s not what I saw today. I thought the players were ragdolled around by Celtic’s movement and they looked horribly exposed at times.

I think he should have shouldered more of the blame for that today but as long as he learns from it and we pick ourselves up from it then it can be put down as a blip.

[OsiersHibs]

Great interview from Lee Johnson after the game. Well said Lee 👏

[B.H.F.C]

I’m not convinced on the psychological take on it from LJ. While it might play a part I think he needs to realise that our players will never be as technically good as Celtics and prepare appropriately.

I get what he means in that if one person in the team doesn’t follow the press then it will fall apart but that’s not what I saw today. I thought the players were ragdolled around by Celtic’s movement and they looked horribly exposed at times.

I think he should have shouldered more of the blame for that today but as long as he learns from it and we pick ourselves up from it then it can be put down as a blip.

I think he’s on the money about their psychology.

Lack of belief, lack of balls to get on the ball. Kenneh was literally trying to kick it away. He missed it completely at one point about 5 minutes before he made the mistake doing what he did for the fourth.

[h1bs4life]

Johnson got sucked in by the press he let him go on about Celtic world class ball boys , how we were going to have a go etc so they could build us up to let us fail . On the way to the match at the old man’s heard him mention he picked guys who could understand english as they wouldn’t have time to repeat themselves. Best to say nowt other than it is going to be a hard game .
Got his team selection wrong 1st 4 goals avoidable. . Stevenson , Hanlon sleeping 1s 2 , big Marsh with 3rd and Kenneth unable to control a ball a 5 year old would deal with easily .
Time for Johnson to show leadership and move on the old guard

[BoomtownHibees]

I’m not convinced on the psychological take on it from LJ. While it might play a part I think he needs to realise that our players will never be as technically good as Celtics and prepare appropriately.

I get what he means in that if one person in the team doesn’t follow the press then it will fall apart but that’s not what I saw today. I thought the players were ragdolled around by Celtic’s movement and they looked horribly exposed at times.

I think he should have shouldered more of the blame for that today but as long as he learns from it and we pick ourselves up from it then it can be put down as a blip.

You can be miles off them in terms of quality, which we are, however you need players with a certain mentality to go through there and want to play, get on the ball, make things happen. We lacked that big time today

[the_ginger_hibee]

Great interview from Lee Johnson after the game. Well said Lee 👏

Very good interview. Brutal honesty but still fairly measured.

[Mikey_1875]

I think he’s on the money about their psychology.

Lack of belief, lack of balls to get on the ball. Kenneh was literally trying to kick it away. He missed it completely at one point about 5 minutes before he made the mistake doing what he did for the fourth.

Yeah that was two farcical efforts from Kenneh which no professional footballer should be making. Along with a fair amount of other individual errors on the day.

I just felt that our tactics were wrong from the get go and him changing to 3-5-2 in the first half and making four subs at HT kind of suggests he knows it. I was surprised he didn’t reflect on that in his interview and made some pretty off comments about moving players on and the teams mentality overall. (although the players certainly aren’t without fault of course)

[Alfred E Newman]

I like the comments but McKirdy should never ever have started that game.

It makes you wonder why we spent a lot of money signing him if he can’t start in games like this.

[OsiersHibs]

Time for Johnson to show leadership and move on the old guard
Their time is up and Lee makes it obvious who he is referring to. It is long overdue.

The money they are on should be used on a new deal for Porteous so that the club is moving forward.

[Hibees1973]

Great interview from Lee Johnson after the game. Well said Lee 👏

Easy for Johnson talk after the game and criticise the players, but he signed half this team and set them up for failure today.

Didn't like at all what I saw today. Like even less Johnson's interview and him not taking any responsibility for what happened today.

[bingo70]

It makes you wonder why we spent a lot of money signing him if he can’t start in games like this.

We signed a striker but judging him as a winger. His time will come to play through the middle.

[OsiersHibs]

Easy for Johnson talk after the game and criticise the players, but he signed half this team and set them up for failure today.

Didn't like at all what I saw today. Like even less Johnson's interview and him not taking any responsibility for what happened today.

Well he's made it pretty obvious who is meaning re historic mentality.

[18Craig75]

Easy for Johnson talk after the game and criticise the players, but he signed half this team and set them up for failure today.

Didn't like at all what I saw today. Like even less Johnson's interview and him not taking any responsibility for what happened today.

…

“ When asked where the finger of blame should be
pointed, Johnson continued: "First and
foremost it's 100 per cent me. I sent the team to
press in a certain way and got it wrong, it's as
simple as that and I have to take responsibility.
Just as an example, two wide players were
dragged back psychologically through their
good play. I want front foot pressing from our
wide players but it was almost like someone on
our goal had a rope and was pulling them back
because of Celtic's good play. We also gave the
ball away too many times.For the full-backs not
to engage and to allow so many free crosses, we
had to change it to a five. I couldn't keep seeing
Boyle running back towards his own goal or
defenders being 20 yards from a wideman
ambling out to stop a cross.”

[the_ginger_hibee]

Easy for Johnson talk after the game and criticise the players, but he signed half this team and set them up for failure today.

Didn't like at all what I saw today. Like even less Johnson's interview and him not taking any responsibility for what happened today.

What is LJ meant to do about a 551 game, massively experienced player doing the aeroplane instead of man-marking? What part of 'setup' does LJ do to prepare against such an individual clanger?

His interview is spot on.

[A Hi-Bee]

…

“ When asked where the finger of blame should be
pointed, Johnson continued: "First and
foremost it's 100 per cent me. I sent the team to
press in a certain way and got it wrong, it's as
simple as that and I have to take responsibility.
Just as an example, two wide players were
dragged back psychologically through their
good play. I want front foot pressing from our
wide players but it was almost like someone on
our goal had a rope and was pulling them back
because of Celtic's good play. We also gave the
ball away too many times.For the full-backs not
to engage and to allow so many free crosses, we
had to change it to a five. I couldn't keep seeing
Boyle running back towards his own goal or
defenders being 20 yards from a wideman
ambling out to stop a cross.”

Correct and part of what I got from his interview was that he took responsibility (always good to see) and I am sure he will learn from today, we do need better quality players was another thing I took from him speaking.
:top marks

[Northernhibee]

I like the comments but McKirdy should never ever have started that game.
The excitement for McKirdy comes from his protein shake story and the fact he was signed as late as he could have been on transfer deadline day but his pedigree doesn’t merit the hype.

Hope he can improve because in flashes he’s looked reasonable but he’s got a lot of learning to do, he’s a bit like Sylvester Jasper but with less benefit of youth.

[Hiber-nation]

We signed a striker but judging him as a winger. His time will come to play through the middle.

Yep this is it. To play on either side of Myko you have to track back. It's the formation, it's worked up till today but he didn't fit.

[CapitalGreen]

The excitement for McKirdy comes from his protein shake story and the fact he was signed as late as he could have been on transfer deadline day but his pedigree doesn’t merit the hype.

Hope he can improve because in flashes he’s looked reasonable but he’s got a lot of learning to do, he’s a bit like Sylvester Jasper but with less benefit of youth.

Nonsense, the excitement came from his 33 goals/assists last season and the type of goals he scored which suggested he was going to be the penalty box poacher type we had been crying out for. So far he hasn’t played through the middle and has been utilised as a winger as a opposed to a penalty box striker.

[Steven1985]

Correct and part of what I got from his interview was that he took responsibility (always good to see) and I am sure he will learn from today, we do need better quality players was another thing I took from him speaking.
:top marks

I really, really like LJ. He's got us going in the right direction. As for better quality players? Can we afford them? He's doing fine with what he has. We're still 3rd.

[matty_f]

We’ve played 7 games against teams with smaller budgets than us this season and lost 3 of them. I don’t think the poster had to point out he didn’t mean we can’t ever lose a game against these teams again and that we need to reduce the frequency of these defeats but here we are.

Thought we weren't to interpret what was written down and just take it as it is?

[I_Love_Latapy]

I’m not convinced on the psychological take on it from LJ. While it might play a part I think he needs to realise that our players will never be as technically good as Celtics and prepare appropriately.

I get what he means in that if one person in the team doesn’t follow the press then it will fall apart but that’s not what I saw today. I thought the players were ragdolled around by Celtic’s movement and they looked horribly exposed at times.

I think he should have shouldered more of the blame for that today but as long as he learns from it and we pick ourselves up from it then it can be put down as a blip.

:aok: Agree with this. Our shape in the second half was better than the first and that's on Lee. Would have been nice if he'd owned up to his failings too.

[I_Love_Latapy]

…

“ When asked where the finger of blame should be
pointed, Johnson continued: "First and
foremost it's 100 per cent me. I sent the team to
press in a certain way and got it wrong, it's as
simple as that and I have to take responsibility.
Just as an example, two wide players were
dragged back psychologically through their
good play. I want front foot pressing from our
wide players but it was almost like someone on
our goal had a rope and was pulling them back
because of Celtic's good play. We also gave the
ball away too many times.For the full-backs not
to engage and to allow so many free crosses, we
had to change it to a five. I couldn't keep seeing
Boyle running back towards his own goal or
defenders being 20 yards from a wideman
ambling out to stop a cross.”

Ah hadn't seen this interview. That's a more even-handed assessment.

[HIBERNIAN-0762]

Great interview from Lee Johnson after the game. Well said Lee 👏

Agreed, at least he didn't lie and make excuses like that lying little rat Neilson

[Jones28]

…

“ When asked where the finger of blame should be
pointed, Johnson continued: "First and
foremost it's 100 per cent me. I sent the team to
press in a certain way and got it wrong, it's as
simple as that and I have to take responsibility.
Just as an example, two wide players were
dragged back psychologically through their
good play. I want front foot pressing from our
wide players but it was almost like someone on
our goal had a rope and was pulling them back
because of Celtic's good play. We also gave the
ball away too many times.For the full-backs not
to engage and to allow so many free crosses, we
had to change it to a five. I couldn't keep seeing
Boyle running back towards his own goal or
defenders being 20 yards from a wideman
ambling out to stop a cross.”

Don’t allow quotes to get in the way of a vendetta.

[Mikey_1875]

Don’t allow quotes to get in the way of a vendetta.

To be fair, a lot of people will have maybe only listened to the sportsound interview post match where this wasn’t mentioned.

That quoted post from LJ is much more aligned with what I thought from the game so fair play to him.

[Northernhibee]

Nonsense, the excitement came from his 33 goals/assists last season and the type of goals he scored which suggested he was going to be the penalty box poacher type we had been crying out for. So far he hasn’t played through the middle and has been utilised as a winger as a opposed to a penalty box striker.
There’s an element of Cummings when he went down to Nottingham Forest. You can get away with questionable professional and attitude at a certain level but when you take a step up in terms of expectations and level of football you can come unstuck and go from being a maverick to a troublemaker.

LJ has alluded to professionalism already but he needs to screw the nut, work his arse off and focus on becoming as good as he can be rather than moaning at refs and funny Instagram stories.

[thebausburst]

McKirdy looks like another Tavares signing, least Youhan finally scored a goal! If we didn’t have Boyle we would be stuffed as a goalscoring threat, I know we’ve got Kev to come back but I can’t ever remember Hibs having such poor strikers in terms of actual number of goals scored.

[The Baldmans Comb]

Johnsons naive team selection was just shocking and yet again showed how poor his match preparation can be and his lazy arrogant attitude towards Scottish football as he obviously had no idea the power of Celtic in midfield and down the flanks.

He redeemed himself admirably though with his forthright, passionate and brutally accurate assessment of why it all went so horribly wrong.

Tough matches like today don't define a season and overall on points he is ahead by a whisker but he needs to listen to those around him as you can't possibly go to places like Parkhead with that sort of schoolboy set up.

[number9dream]

I’m not convinced on the psychological take on it from LJ. While it might play a part I think he needs to realise that our players will never be as technically good as Celtics and prepare appropriately.

I get what he means in that if one person in the team doesn’t follow the press then it will fall apart but that’s not what I saw today. I thought the players were ragdolled around by Celtic’s movement and they looked horribly exposed at times.

I think he should have shouldered more of the blame for that today but as long as he learns from it and we pick ourselves up from it then it can be put down as a blip.

Agreed. It's all very well the manager talking about Hibs imposing themselves on Celtic, but when the opposition is much better you need to have a plan to combat that disparity. We were set up all wrong, with Cadden and Stevenson totally exposed against a side everyone knows likes to hammer up and down the wings.
If players aren't following the press, then they are not being coached properly...
The manager can't carry the can for Marshall's fumble or Kenneh's embarrassing mis-kick, but sticking McKirdy up top wide on the left was a major mistake. The wee man looks really limited and this was not the game to be experimenting with his first start.
Let's hope the players respond well to the criticism and come out with a point to prove on Friday night.

[Scotty Leither]

McKirdy looks like another Tavares signing, least Youhan finally scored a goal! If we didn’t have Boyle we would be stuffed as a goalscoring threat, I know we’ve got Kev to come back but I can’t ever remember Hibs having such poor strikers in terms of actual number of goals scored.

Said it on another thread, we never seem to target signing out-and-out goal scorers. I thought the big Ukrainian looked limited today as well, albeit the service to him was dire.

We need to push the boat out for a decent no 10/playmaker too, whom the play revolves around.

Still too many “prospects” populating the squad.

[Mrimbetween]

Tell me this is ***** ..Lee Johnson insists Hibs team should be asking Celtic players for SHIRTS as he makes 'standards' demand

[Hibs90]

Tell me this is ***** ..Lee Johnson insists Hibs team should be asking Celtic players for SHIRTS as he makes 'standards' demand

Aye. Just pure nonsense waffle from him, much like the quotes before the game. Find it really annoying tbh but at least he has admitted fault himself and gave an accurate reflection of the game afterwards.

Sitting in third but teams below have games in hand, next Friday is huge, we could easily drop out of the top 6 if we fail to win that.

[Donegal Hibby]

Aye. Just pure nonsense waffle from him, much like the quotes before the game. Find it really annoying tbh but at least he has admitted fault himself and gave an accurate reflection of the game afterwards

Sitting in third but teams below have games in hand, next Friday is huge, we could easily drop out of the top 6 if we fail to win that.
Aye , we are sitting third that's as high as we can get imo and ok so teams have games in hand that doesn't necessarily mean points in the bag though does it ? Friday is huge as every other game is for us . You say if we fail to win we could easily drop out of top 6 ? Why haven't you mentioned if we win and keep in top 6 ?

[Yorkshire HFC]

Aye. Just pure nonsense waffle from him, much like the quotes before the game. Find it really annoying tbh but at least he has admitted fault himself and gave an accurate reflection of the game afterwards.

Sitting in third but teams below have games in hand, next Friday is huge, we could easily drop out of the top 6 if we fail to win that.

I think it's good if he's encouraging the players to think for themselves and try to learn how to get better - but I'd also ask why the Hibs backroom staff don't already know all this and haven't instilled it into the players daily life.

There's no reason why the Hibs backroom staff shouldn't be as good as the Old Firm backroom staff - just like there is no reason why the training the Hibs players do shouldn't be to the same level as the Old Firm players. I remember Riordan saying that he'd never trained as hard as he did when he was at Celtic - how is that acceptable?

Then again, I don't think what managers and players say to journalists is ever what they really think - it's just words to try and keep the supporters on side.

Hopefully they can get back on it and get a result against St Johnstone - but nothing is easy as I think every team in the league is capable of finishing 3rd or bottom.

[Onion]

I think it's good if he's encouraging the players to think for themselves and try to learn how to get better - but I'd also ask why the Hibs backroom staff don't already know all this and haven't instilled it into the players daily life.

There's no reason why the Hibs backroom staff shouldn't be as good as the Old Firm backroom staff - just like there is no reason why the training the Hibs players do shouldn't be to the same level as the Old Firm players. I remember Riordan saying that he'd never trained as hard as he did when he was at Celtic - how is that acceptable?

Then again, I don't think what managers and players say to journalists is ever what they really think - it's just words to try and keep the supporters on side.

Hopefully they can get back on it and get a result against St Johnstone - but nothing is easy as I think every team in the league is capable of finishing 3rd or bottom.

Which is why the 3rd and 4th placed teams will get hammered in Europe. The bigger clubs - Aberdeen Hearts and Hibs - are all pretty dire at the moment. Hearts are the only club with the income to do anything about that.

[cameronw-hfc]

Tell me this is ***** ..Lee Johnson insists Hibs team should be asking Celtic players for SHIRTS as he makes 'standards' demand

I don't think it was literal. I think he meant they should be coming off the pitch looking at the players they've just faced as the standard they need to set. It was more metaphorical than literal.

[SMAXXA]

I don't think it was literal. I think he meant they should be coming off the pitch looking at the players they've just faced as the standard they need to set. It was more metaphorical than literal.

Correct how anyone can’t see that is beyond me, just another excuse for a moan

[hibsbollah]

Correct how anyone can’t see that is beyond me, just another excuse for a moan

:agree:
It’s a turn of phrase, that’s all.

For years we’ve been going to Glasgow and hearing moans that we’ve been ‘mouse hearted’ for going too defensive and that we should have taken the game to them when we’ve got pumped. Now LJ was ‘naive’ to go with three strikers. I’ve got no problem with Stevenson and Cadden being ‘isolated’ out wide; if they have good games they can nullify the Celtic wide threat, it wasn’t inevitable or suicidal, it was a calculated risk so we can have numerical advantage elsewhere. And if McKirdy isn’t doing what he’s being told to do in terms of a high press he needs to be benched until he can show he can. Hardly LJs fault if the boy isn’t following simple instructions.

[Nicho87]

I’ve not seen anything of mckirdy yet that makes me think regular goalscorer. Certainly likes a moan to the ref and telling the management to **** off.

I’d get Youan back in for Friday, first striker to score in god knows.

Magennis must start too. Campbell due a rest

[JimBHibees]

I’ve not seen anything of mckirdy yet that makes me think regular goalscorer. Certainly likes a moan to the ref and telling the management to **** off.

I’d get Youan back in for Friday, first striker to score in god knows.

Magennis must start too. Campbell due a rest

Kenneh would be the one getting a rest for me. Rabbit in the headlights yesterday imo. Simply not good enough on the ball for that position. Needs to be secure on it not being a toss up whether he loses the ball and we concede. Hindsight Johnson went too open if you watched back the United game as Celtic would have would have seen how wide open we are when we lose the ball. Defensively the goals lost were terrible.

Magennis should have started in the place of McKirdy making us harder to play against.

[JimBHibees]

He had a go with an attacking team but got the selection wrong, Stevenson and McKirdy were the wrong options.

Not sure cabraja improved much when he came on.

[J-C]

Not sure cabraja improved much when he came on.

True but he has more threat going forward, TBH the whole team were like rabbits in the headlights yesterday and that was a big concern, mentioned by Johnston in his post game interview.

[JimBHibees]

Easy for Johnson talk after the game and criticise the players, but he signed half this team and set them up for failure today.

Didn't like at all what I saw today. Like even less Johnson's interview and him not taking any responsibility for what happened today.

So no responsibility for players making criminal individual mistakes.

[JimBHibees]

True but he has more threat going forward, TBH the whole team were like rabbits in the headlights yesterday and that was a big concern, mentioned by Johnston in his post game interview.

Fair point

[Iain G]

Kenneh would be the one getting a rest for me. Rabbit in the headlights yesterday imo. Simply not good enough on the ball for that position. Needs to be secure on it not being a toss up whether he loses the ball and we concede. Hindsight Johnson went too open if you watched back the United game as Celtic would have would have seen how wide open we are when we lose the ball. Defensively the goals lost were terrible.

Magennis should have started in the place of McKirdy making us harder to play against.

I think Kenneh needs to keep playing and gaining experience, it's the best way to improve him. He has done well in the games after he came back in, yesterday felt a bridge too far for a lot of them.

[JimBHibees]

Johnsons naive team selection was just shocking and yet again showed how poor his match preparation can be and his lazy arrogant attitude towards Scottish football as he obviously had no idea the power of Celtic in midfield and down the flanks.

He redeemed himself admirably though with his forthright, passionate and brutally accurate assessment of why it all went so horribly wrong.

Tough matches like today don't define a season and overall on points he is ahead by a whisker but he needs to listen to those around him as you can't possibly go to places like Parkhead with that sort of schoolboy set up.

Some take that lazy and arrogant attitude. Dear oh dear.

[chrisski33]

Not sure about the "del boy" jacket johnson wore tbh

[Kato]

Johnsons naive team selection was just shocking and yet again showed how poor his match preparation can be and his lazy arrogant attitude towards Scottish football as he obviously had no idea the power of Celtic in midfield and down the flanks.

He redeemed himself admirably though with his forthright, passionate and brutally accurate assessment of why it all went so horribly wrong.

Tough matches like today don't define a season and overall on points he is ahead by a whisker but he needs to listen to those around him as you can't possibly go to places like Parkhead with that sort of schoolboy set up.Looking forward to when you become Hibs manager.

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[hibees 7062]

https://youtu.be/qE7QcL7TJFI?t=2

[hibees 7062]

https://youtu.be/s8nPIZmXIC0?t=30

[Carheenlea]

Not sure about the "del boy" jacket johnson wore tbh

First Hibs manager to wear denim jeans on a matchday?

Wonder if they were Armani, Levi or Pepe?

[Donegal Hibby]

First Hibs manager to wear denim jeans on a matchday?

Wonder if they were Armani, Levi or Pepe?
Probably Lee's ( Jeans) :greengrin

[Donegal Hibby]

Was checking up on Lee Johnson last night when I ended up reading about his father Gary Johnson who is manager of Torquay utd now . There was a game one time when Johnson senior was in charge of Yeovil town v Plymouth argyle in the league cup .The Plymouth keeper put the ball out of play due to a injury to a Plymouth player .When giving the ball back the Yeovil player accidentally scored a goal for Yeovil and in the name of sportsmanship Gary Johnson instructed his own team to walk the ball into there own goals to level the match up at 1-1 . Funny part was the player who accidentally scored the goal was our very own Lee Johnson who went on to score a hat trick in the game that Yeovil won 3-2 .

[Hibbyradge]

Was checking up on Lee Johnson last night when I ended up reading about his father Gary Johnson who is manager of Torquay utd now . There was a game one time when Johnson senior was in charge of Yeovil town v Plymouth argyle in the league cup .The Plymouth keeper put the ball out of play due to a injury to a Plymouth player .When giving the ball back the Yeovil player accidentally scored a goal for Yeovil and in the name of sportsmanship Gary Johnson instructed his own team to walk the ball into there own goals to level the match up at 1-1 . Funny part was the player who accidentally scored the goal was our very own Lee Johnson who went on to score a hat trick in the game that Yeovil won 3-2 .

I remember that and it was Stevie Crawford who walked the equaliser in.

Edit: I found the clip.

https://youtu.be/eyk8v54SoXk

[Stuart93]

I remember that and it was Stevie Crawford who walked the equaliser in.

Edit: I found the clip.

https://youtu.be/eyk8v54SoXk

A certain Scottish cup winner with hibs in that clip also 😉

[Donegal Hibby]

I remember that and it was Stevie Crawford who walked the equaliser in.

Edit: I found the clip.

https://youtu.be/eyk8v54SoXk
Got it slightly wrong as to who walked the ball in . Was surprised when you said it was Stevie Crawford who did btw .Thanks for the clip of it . Everything worked out well with the good sportsmanship and Lee Johnson getting his hat trick :greengrin

[basehibby]

I’ve not seen anything of mckirdy yet that makes me think regular goalscorer. Certainly likes a moan to the ref and telling the management to **** off.

I’d get Youan back in for Friday, first striker to score in god knows.

Magennis must start too. Campbell due a rest

For me I think St Johnstone is the kind of game I'd like to see McKirdy start - give him a chance to get in about a defence. Don't get me wrong - I rate Youan highly and am delighted to see him get off the mark - just reckon McKirdy is more of a natural striker.
Could see a few changes being made on the back of two defeats - hope that balance is maintained that has seen us average 20 efforts on goal a game.

[Donegal Hibby]

A certain Scottish cup winner with hibs in that clip also 😉
You have had me watching the clip over and over again ,was still scratching my head up in till a few minutes ago to who was the Scottish cup winner with us ?Got it now though :greengrin

[Kato]

A certain Scottish cup winner with hibs in that clip also [emoji6]Coulda closes him down there.

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[Donegal Hibby]

A certain Scottish cup winner with hibs in that clip also 😉
Here's one for you I'm definitely right with one of these and not 100% about the other though but I will ask any way .Who are the other two other ex hibbys in that game ?

[basehibby]

Here's one for you I'm definitely right with one of these and not 100% about the other though but I will ask any way .Who are the other two other ex hibbys in that game ?

I spotted KEITH

[Donegal Hibby]

I remember that and it was Stevie Crawford who walked the equaliser in.

Edit: I found the clip.

https://youtu.be/eyk8v54SoXk
I went searching for more of the clip you put up and ended up seeing Lee Johnson's other two goals , I can't put them up but two absolute crackers of goals ,well worth seeing on utube . Am I right that a ex Hibs manager would have been in the argyle dugout ?

[zitelli62]

Fontaine only one I see.

[Donegal Hibby]

Fontaine only one I see.
Bobby Williamson I think might be argyle manager?and I think ex Hibs player Mattias doumbe

[Donegal Hibby]

Lee Johnson says he like to see ex players become referees .Not entirely sure about that one to be fair

[HoboHarry]

Lee Johnson says he like to see ex players become referees .Not entirely sure about that one to be fair

Alex Ferguson said back in his aberdeen days that he didn't want ex players as referees.

[Donegal Hibby]

Alex Ferguson said back in his aberdeen days that he didn't want ex players as referees.
When I read the article for some strange reason Kris Boyd with that grin came into my head it put me right off that idea . He also in different story said he believes it would be beneficial to the league if referees went professional , that I do agree with .

[blackpoolhibs]

I could see everyone being over the moon when Bob Malcolm turns up to ref the next hibs v The Rangers match.

[Allant1981]

Fontaine only one I see.

Alan o Brian played also

[Eyrie]

Alex Ferguson said back in his aberdeen days that he didn't want ex players as referees.

So that's why Willie Miller had to settle for a career on radio.

[Heisenberg]

Four wins in a row then three defeats in a row. Streaky Lee indeed.

[Unseen work]

Four wins in a row then three defeats in a row. Streaky Lee indeed.


Harsh.

A horror result against Celtic and then tonight which is hardly down to him.

Magennis to blame for a stupid tackle and then Porteous for awful defending

[Basildon Hibs]

Harsh.

A horror result against Celtic and then tonight which is hardly down to him.

Magennis to blame for a stupid tackle and then Porteous for awful defending

He picks the team and makes the subs. He has also signed some dross as well.

[TheCabbage]

Harsh.

A horror result against Celtic and then tonight which is hardly down to him.

Magennis to blame for a stupid tackle and then Porteous for awful defending

Or managers honking tactics after going down to 10????

[A Hi-Bee]

Perhaps instead of players in the winter transfer window we need to look at managers...
That team tonight was just lost the second half we have some real stupid players.

[Rumble de Thump]

He picks the team and makes the subs. He has also signed some dross as well.

He doesn't commit the fouls.

[TheCabbage]

Or managers honking tactics after going down to 10????

Anyone else seen what our number 10 brings??

[Unseen work]

Or managers honking tactics after going down to 10????

I’m not sure what else he could have done differently?

Instantly went to a 441 and we conceded after minutes.

A manager can only do so much.

[Heisenberg]

Harsh.

A horror result against Celtic and then tonight which is hardly down to him.

Magennis to blame for a stupid tackle and then Porteous for awful defending

Don’t think I’m being harsh, it’s just the way the results have fallen. Needs a win soon though.

[sorrow sorrow]

His record is pretty grim tbh and the football is not great to watch

[B.H.F.C]

I think he’s made mistakes the last couple of games. The defence was settled, playing well and hardly giving anything away. Makes an unnecessary change at Parkhead then completely changes it this week.

Magennis did an idiotic thing but I also thought we were letting the game drift and he should have done something about it earlier.

[Steve20]

Harsh.

A horror result against Celtic and then tonight which is hardly down to him.

Magennis to blame for a stupid tackle and then Porteous for awful defending

We’ve lost to Dundee Utd and St Johnstone in the past 10 days.

I don’t think he’s a good manager but look at the group of players he’s got to work with. Forwards who are the most powder puff in the league, still a garbage midfield and a defence which crumbles under the slightest bit of pressure.

Such a poor squad has been put together.

[Dmas]

I’m not sure what else he could have done differently?

Instantly went to a 441 and we conceded after minutes.

A manager can only do so much.

For me he didn’t react to Davidsons subs and that’s before the red card, they where hussling and forcing us into errors after the double change and he didn’t react at all, we where weaker replacing Myko as the option to go long was lost, we where being over run in the middle of the park the change was obvious Kenneh had to come on more dig and more cover for back 3 and played on the counter, it’s easy to say now it should have been magennis off but he surely wasn’t expecting magennis who had a good game until the red, to see out the full 90

[Hibs90]

If I see anymore stupid quotes I'm gonna lose it.

Poor from Magennis, but dreadful subs. I'm far from convinced he's the right man. Thankfully the world cup is at the end of the month or so.

[Unseen work]

For me he didn’t react to Davidsons subs and that’s before the red card, they where hussling and forcing us into errors after the double change and he didn’t react at all, we where weaker replacing Myko as the option to go long was lost, we where being over run in the middle of the park the change was obvious Kenneh had to come on more dig and more cover for back 3 and played on the counter, it’s easy to say now it should have been magennis off but he surely wasn’t expecting magennis who had a good game until the red, to see out the full 90

Fair enough, I never thought we looked under any pressure until the red

Youan and Magennis both had good chances just before it and Mykolaiv replaced before he was sent off

[Basildon Hibs]

We’ve lost to Dundee Utd and St Johnstone in the past 10 days.

I don’t think he’s a good manager but look at the group of players he’s got to work with. Forwards who are the most powder puff in the league, still a garbage midfield and a defence which crumbles under the slightest bit of pressure.

Such a poor squad has been put together.

Correct.

[A Hi-Bee]

For me he didn’t react to Davidsons subs and that’s before the red card, they where hussling and forcing us into errors after the double change and he didn’t react at all, we where weaker replacing Myko as the option to go long was lost, we where being over run in the middle of the park the change was obvious Kenneh had to come on more dig and more cover for back 3 and played on the counter, it’s easy to say now it should have been magennis off but he surely wasn’t expecting magennis who had a good game until the red, to see out the full 90

He did say before the game that he hoped to get 60 mins from Kyle, he should have changed us up on the hour mark and bringing on Youan offered us nought.

[BH Hibs]

Anyone else seen what our number 10 brings??

Same as our number 11 **** all

[scoopyboy]

I’m not sure what else he could have done differently?

Instantly went to a 441 and we conceded after minutes.

A manager can only do so much.

He should have substituted Kyle Magennis after an hour, he is just back and if he has been subbed after an hour then he obviously wouldn’t have been sent off. He was tired and tired players make bad decisions.

[lucky]

LJ got that wrong again with formation3-5-2 at home against the dullest team in league was a negative choice. Why play up front at Celtic but go more defensive against St J at home was a strange choice. Magennis should have been take of after 60 minutes and Čabraja is not a better player than Stevenson. The football tonight was dire

[Paulie Walnuts]

That was terrible tonight imo.

We were marginally the better team and then after the red it was a horror show.

St Johnstone are absolutely abysmal as well.

[Tyler Durden]

I’m not sure what else he could have done differently?

Instantly went to a 441 and we conceded after minutes.

A manager can only do so much.

A 4-4-1 with Porto at RB, Boyle at left wing and a tired/poor Campbell in centre mid. Get subs on immediately to play their proper roles. One of the CBs off, Mitchell at left wing, Kenneh for Campbell.

He just made the wrong changes at the wrong times

[B.H.F.C]

We’ve lost to Dundee Utd and St Johnstone in the past 10 days.

I don’t think he’s a good manager but look at the group of players he’s got to work with. Forwards who are the most powder puff in the league, still a garbage midfield and a defence which crumbles under the slightest bit of pressure.

Such a poor squad has been put together.

Agree with this. We signed something like 16 players in the summer and hardly any have made any kind of impact. Still don’t think we solved enough of our problems. And three games on the trot where teams keep 11 on the pitch equals zero points for us.

[One Day Soon]

I felt earlier in the season that the results against ten man teams wasn’t a true picture and we were yet to see our true mettle. I’m a bit worried what we are beginning to see now may be a truer picture.

Our forwards are not scoring enough, tonight we failed to capitalise on possession and passing to get a second goal and there’s no way we should have folded like we did once we were down to ten. We have way too many ‘nearly good’ players who are not good enough, not big enough or not experienced enough. We are still too comfortable going sideways and backwards with the ball and our high energy press we were promised is yet to materialise.

[scuttle]

LJ got that wrong again with formation3-5-2 at home against the dullest team in league was a negative choice. Why play up front at Celtic but go more defensive against St J at home was a strange choice. Magennis should have been take of after 60 minutes and Čabraja is not a better player than Stevenson. The football tonight was dire
This 100%,St johnstone are rotten and he went defensive. Why does he keep taking big Ukrainian off; it nearly cost us against Motherwell and again tonight as nothing sticks up front when he goes off. That line up tonight was a huge mistake. A record attendance tonight ,how many will be back next week after that

[loanheadhibby]

That was terrible tonight imo.

We were marginally the better team and then after the red it was a horror show.

St Johnstone are absolutely abysmal as well.

2 bottom 6 teams unfortunately. The 3 centre halves ought to be ashamed of themselves for the 2 goals conceded. 2 crosses into the box and 2 of the smallest guys score with headers.

LJ completely clueless and getting found out.

[cameronw-hfc]

I might be alone here, but I thought we were pretty good until the red and unlucky not to be more goals up.

[Greenwich_Hibby]

2 bottom 6 teams unfortunately. The 3 centre halves ought to be ashamed of themselves for the 2 goals conceded. 2 crosses into the box and 2 of the smallest guys score with headers.

LJ completely clueless and getting found out.

Agree...no confidence in him, we've ridden our luck all season.

[Since452]

Not like Hibs to let you down eh.

[Kaiser_Sauzee]

I might be alone here, but I thought we were pretty good until the red and unlucky not to be more goals up.

You are not alone. We were completely in control and bossing it. Always needed that second goal. Fell apart after the red. We are better than them with 10 men but shaped up so negatively, it was only going to result in our capitulation.

[BoomtownHibees]

I might be alone here, but I thought we were pretty good until the red and unlucky not to be more goals up.

There’s only so many times something can be counted as “unlucky”. We are very poor in the final third far too often for it to do with luck. Create so many chances every game and see so little return for it

[nickwhibs]

Jury’s still out. Awful start with the league cup then some good results and attacking football but we’ve been poor in the last few games (albeit v unlucky against dundee Utd). He has signed some poor players and some decent ones. Strange tactics and subs recently too. 5/10 so far - not terrible but needs to do better

[cabbageandribs1875]

get lennon back :agree:


actually, after a quick rethink








BEG him:cb:)

[keep the faith]

The usual suspects all over it tonight.

Disappointed, but we are a work in progress and I'm still enjoying the ride 🙂

[sleeping giant]

I might be alone here, but I thought we were pretty good until the red and unlucky not to be more goals up.

Agreed.
I thought we were brilliant in the fist half.

[Since452]

A game we were cruising until the red. Then two terrible headers to lose for the goal. Absolute car crash reaction to a sending off. McKirdy just ran about like a headless chicken anaw.

[Paulie Walnuts]

I might be alone here, but I thought we were pretty good until the red and unlucky not to be more goals up.

You might not be alone but you’ll certainly not find unanimous agreement.

We were absolutely crap tonight, even before the red we weren’t very good imo.

[GreenCastle]

LJ got that wrong again with formation3-5-2 at home against the dullest team in league was a negative choice. Why play up front at Celtic but go more defensive against St J at home was a strange choice. Magennis should have been take of after 60 minutes and Čabraja is not a better player than Stevenson. The football tonight was dire

Fair point about attacking v Celtic compared to tonight’s formation.

He matched them which was odd as surely you trust what you do.

At times we had 3 back when usually with a 4 we have 2 back. Ok we scored off a cross but it was asking a lot against 3 tall saints defenders.

Leaving KM on till 70th min was poor management let alone on a yellow and after saints changed shape.

Next 4 games will tell us much more about this group. Midtable or challenging for 3rd.

[dmc1875]

We could also ask the question - “We need to talk about Boyle” tbh.

He’s been poor for weeks.

[GreenCastle]

We could also ask the question - “We need to talk about Boyle” tbh.

He’s been poor for weeks.

New born baby and World Cup on his mind ?

[RossScott1991]

Don’t understand why the change in system tonight. We we’re unbeaten at ER in the league. With games v hearts, rangers, Aberdeen and Motherwell out the way. Playing the 4.3.3

Why 3 cbs against these Huddies?!!? Baffling

[dmc1875]

New born baby and World Cup on his mind ?

Fair - if so though it’s not helping Hibs out is it? Sooner Nisbet is back the better in that case

[PH91]

I might be alone here, but I thought we were pretty good until the red and unlucky not to be more goals up.

I'm with you. They barely got out their half up to that point. We should have been more than 1 up at ht.

I think we were already falling out the game, though, when we got the red. Really needed to get fresh legs on but there isnt much on the bench, we are pretty limited beyond the 13/14 regular starters.

And the reaction to going down to 10 was absolutely dreadful. The players completely lost their heads.

[AL-Qaholik]

You only need to look at his record to know he’s not a manager.
The winning run-losing run-winning run-losing run pattern shows he’s not in control of his teams.
He’s just relying on the players to put a run together, coupled with a bit of luck, than has no ability to
change things when it doesn’t happen.
Tactics/lack of subs tonight were absolutely honking and, once everybody has player their games in hand, I suspect we’ll find ourselves bottom six - where we probably deserve to be.

Also insane that we are STILL short of a commanding centre half, a left back, a midfield and a proven goal scorer.

[loanheadhibby]

The usual suspects all over it tonight.

Disappointed, but we are a work in progress and I'm still enjoying the ride 🙂

A work in progress! We’ve been a work in progress for years and we never make progress. We’re a bottom 6 team. We capitulated at Celtic park and capitulated tonight.

Tonight is a massive wake up for the fans. We’re starting to be found out.

[Paulie Walnuts]

The usual suspects all over it tonight.

Disappointed, but we are a work in progress and I'm still enjoying the ride 🙂

PPG were a bottom half side, exactly where we were last season.

That’s not progress.

[Alfred E Newman]

He should have substituted Kyle Magennis after an hour, he is just back and if he has been subbed after an hour then he obviously wouldn’t have been sent off. He was tired and tired players make bad decisions.

You are right. You could see after the first booking that he was done. He pulled out of a 50/50 right after that and should have been taken off. Poor management that ultimately cost us the game.

[Mikey_1875]

I also thought we were in control up until the sending off. After that we looked completely unprepared for a situation 10 vs 11 and I don’t think he covered himself in glory with Porto RB and not sacrificing Youan/Boyle. That part falls on LJ.

Ultimately though we lost our two goals from headers in the middle of the box which is criminal on the players part. Bit of pressure going into St Mirren now.

[TheCabbage]

Or managers honking tactics after going down to 10????

Anyone else seen what our number 10 brings??

[A Hi-Bee]

I also thought we were in control up until the sending off. After that we looked completely unprepared for a situation 10 vs 11 and I don’t think he covered himself in glory with Porto RB and not sacrificing Youan/Boyle. That part falls on LJ.

Ultimately though we lost our two goals from headers in the middle of the box which is criminal on the players part. Bit of pressure going into St Mirren now.

St midden have a bit more steel and balls in them, in my humble, so this team needs to really turn up to get some points on the board now before that mickey mouse world cup thing starts.

[loanheadhibby]

Anyone else seen what our number 10 brings??

I’m not sure who is worse, McKirdy or Jair? Both should be nowhere near Easter Road.

[JimBHibees]

I might be alone here, but I thought we were pretty good until the red and unlucky not to be more goals up.

We were in control until the red then two very poor goals headers in centre of the box with three centre halfs shouldnt happen. Kenneh should have come on. Taking off kukarevich made no sense.

[Donegal Hibby]

I might be alone here, but I thought we were pretty good until the red and unlucky not to be more goals up.
Your not alone mate thought the exact same.

[Hiber-nation]

We were in control until the red then two very poor goals headers in centre of the box with three centre halfs shouldnt happen. Kenneh should have come on. Taking off kukarevich made no sense.

He was excellent in the first half but he just gave away foul after foul. I'd have kept him on for longer mind you. Just need to stop him giving away so many needless free kicks. We could certainly have done with him when we went down to 10.

[Since452]

Kenneh for Magennis looked a pretty obvious sub to make. Why risk a red while leading 1-0 at home and cruising?

[Unseen work]

We were in control until the red then two very poor goals headers in centre of the box with three centre halfs shouldnt happen. Kenneh should have come on. Taking off kukarevich made no sense.

Kukharevych looked a certainty to get sent off imo, I had the fear anytime he went near someone.

[TheCabbage]

Kukharevych looked a certainty to get sent off imo, I had the fear anytime he went near someone.
I would have preferred him to get a red than magenniis
Poor management from LJ

[Donegal Hibby]

2 bottom 6 teams unfortunately. The 3 centre halves ought to be ashamed of themselves for the 2 goals conceded. 2 crosses into the box and 2 of the smallest guys score with headers.

LJ completely clueless and getting found out.
You were right when you said you'd bring your A -game this Friday btw . You think we are a bottom 6 team ? And rocky should be ashamed of himself ? Your either a jambo or just really negative or a very good comedian ? Think it's the latter. :faf:

[One Day Soon]

I’m not sure who is worse, McKirdy or Jair? Both should be nowhere near Easter Road.

Jair is way too slight to make it at ER even if he had the skills of Maradona, which he appears not to. McKirdy needs more than the odd 5 minutes here and there at the end of games if we’re going to find out whether he can play.

[loanheadhibby]

You were right when you said you'd bring your A -game this Friday btw . You think we are a bottom 6 team ? And rocky should be ashamed of himself ? Your either a jambo or just really negative or a very good comedian ? Think it's the latter. :faf:

I do think we are a bottom 6 team. Tonight proved that surely? How bad are St Johnstone.

Rocky, Porto & Hanlon could have all played like Sauzee tonight. Their main job is to stop us conceding goals. We’ve lost 2 goals to headers from guys at 5ft 7. Is that acceptable to you?

Johnson himself said after the game it was poor from the defence.

[One Day Soon]

You were right when you said you'd bring your A -game this Friday btw . You think we are a bottom 6 team ? And rocky should be ashamed of himself ? Your either a jambo or just really negative or a very good comedian ? Think it's the latter. :faf:

I’m not sure we’re a bottom six team but I’m also not sure we’re a top six team either. We’re certainly one or two key injuries and a bad run away from being closer to the former than the latter.

[random sub]

It was one of those matches when it felt like one of our players would get sent off and I didn’t understand the lack of subs. Also didn’t understand why we didn’t sacrifice Boyle or Yuan after the sending off.

[loanheadhibby]

Jair is way too slight to make it at ER even if he had the skills of Maradona, which he appears not to. McKirdy needs more than the odd 5 minutes here and there at the end of games if we’re going to find out whether he can play.

McKirdy will end up with more yellow cards than goals this season. Not seen much of him but what I have seen, he’s bang average.

[Paulie Walnuts]

I’m not sure we’re a bottom six team but I’m also not sure we’re a top six team either. We’re certainly one or two key injuries and a bad run away from being closer to the former than the latter.

Yup.

I’m not sure what people have seen from us so far this season that the prospect of us potentially being a bottom 6 team is so ludicrous to them.

Between the league cup and our start to the league season we’ve been average at best and that’s probably being kind.

[Since452]

I’m not sure who is worse, McKirdy or Jair? Both should be nowhere near Easter Road.

McKirdy has been hopeless every time I've seen him. Step up looks too much.

[Tambo]

I can't comment to much as was at work, did we create much clear chances?

[mcfly]

We are rubbish, poor signings , we don’t take our chances and a massive let down again tonight.

Marketing team did a fantastic job . Players are just bottlers.

Manager talks a good game but that’s 3 defeats in a row

Tonight was awful. 5ft 7 striker out jumps a centre back 🙈

[loanheadhibby]

McKirdy has been hopeless every time I've seen him. Step up looks too much.

Sadly I think you could be correct. Likely be back at Swindon end of January. Hopefully I’m wrong and he can find some form. Hard to see it based on what we’ve seen so far.

[Crab apple]

Kukharevych looked a certainty to get sent off imo, I had the fear anytime he went near someone.

Kyle should have been subbed earlier too and Clancy was desperate to send someone off.

[Crab apple]

I do think we are a bottom 6 team. Tonight proved that surely? How bad are St Johnstone.

Rocky, Porto & Hanlon could have all played like Sauzee tonight. Their main job is to stop us conceding goals. We’ve lost 2 goals to headers from guys at 5ft 7. Is that acceptable to you?

Johnson himself said after the game it was poor from the defence.

I think we’ll be top six but I agree St Johnstone are poor and not an attractive team to watch. One of the fixtures I don’t look forward to.

[One Day Soon]

McKirdy will end up with more yellow cards than goals this season. Not seen much of him but what I have seen, he’s bang average.

You might be right but really, how many minutes of him have you seen?

[Donegal Hibby]

I do think we are a bottom 6 team. Tonight proved that surely? How bad are St Johnstone.

Rocky, Porto & Hanlon could have all played like Sauzee tonight. Their main job is to stop us conceding goals. We’ve lost 2 goals to headers from guys at 5ft 7. Is that acceptable to you?

Johnson himself said after the game it was poor from the defence.
Beat Aberdeen and Motherwell , Ross county away ,St Johnstone away and drew with hearts and rangers , what's that prove then ? And incase you didn't know Rocky got man of the match ,Maybe he should be ashamed of that too ?

[LNHibs]

Again possibly in the minority but liked a lot of what I saw for 70 mins. Twice we won the ball back at our corner flag and popped it right the way up the pitch and could’ve scored. We had to take the chances at 1-0 as you always feel they’ll get a good spell.

Poor management from Lee not taking Magennis off although thought he was excellent tonight but was a tired lunge.

The not taking chances and being punished is becoming a regular theme but not much a manager can do in that respect. I feel we have about 8 strikers that do everything apart from score goals regularly

[matty_f]

PPG were a bottom half side, exactly where we were last season.

That’s not progress.

Are we actually in the bottom half?

[matty_f]

Again possibly in the minority but liked a lot of what I saw for 70 mins. Twice we won the ball back at our corner flag and popped it right the way up the pitch and could’ve scored. We had to take the chances at 1-0 as you always feel they’ll get a good spell.

Poor management from Lee not taking Magennis off although thought he was excellent tonight but was a tired lunge.

The not taking chances and being punished is becoming a regular theme but not much a manager can do in that respect. I feel we have about 8 strikers that do everything apart from score goals regularly

I agree with this.

[I'm Spartacus]

We were in control until the red then two very poor goals headers in centre of the box with three centre halfs shouldnt happen. Kenneh should have come on. Taking off kukarevich made no sense.

The only sense it made is I said after 32 minutes that he was a sending off in the making, then he scored, I could see why he took him off though.

We've benefitted from a few sending offs this season but shame we absolutely pooped the bed and couldn't hold on.

[BegbieHSC]

LJ’s game management cost us that game every bit as much as Magennis’ red card.

[Leith Green]

Some well over the top reactions tonight. We should have been home and hosed inthe first 60 minutes. You would think we were dominated tonight going by some of the posts on here tonight. We have been as good if not better in most games this season , missing lots of good chances or wasteful in final phase. There are areas and positions that need improved, things we need to do better. But some of the crap being spouted is ridiculous.
We are a team that currently is as good or better than most , plenty room for improvement, but i dint see how we are worse than anyone outside the old firm.

Hopefully we can bring a few quality additions in during January and the summer windows , and move on at least 5 of the current squad who are clearly not good enough

[Donegal Hibby]

I’m not sure we’re a bottom six team but I’m also not sure we’re a top six team either. We’re certainly one or two key injuries and a bad run away from being closer to the former than the latter.
Celtic and rangers of course will finish ahead of us then you have hearts , Aberdeen and us . Don't see that they are any better than us to be honest with you and we lost 3 on the bounce now ,hearts 5 wins in 22 games and Aberdeen we blew that lot away at Easter road. .most teams will hit a wee period were they lose a few and injuries can effect any team in the league . Still think we will finish 3,4,or 5th place . What the other posters saying we are bottom 6 . Love to know who he'd put ahead of us btw St mirren , Motherwell ?

[WhileTheChief..]

Every week we talk about how we shoulda done this or that.

It can't just be 'one of those things' every week. We keep saying we'll give a team a thumping if we keep playing as we are. When? It's nothing more than wishful thinking.

If our strikers aren't scoring, why?

The desire and attitude can't be faulted but we are severely lacking in ability in midfield and upfront. The players we have won't get us to where we want.

Which brings us right back to the recruitment in the last few windows. Nothing will change until we figure out how to sign players.

[Chorley Hibee]

Every week we talk about how we shoulda done this or that.

It can't just be 'one of those things' every week. We keep saying we'll give a team a thumping if we keep playing as we are. When? It's nothing more than wishful thinking.

If our strikers aren't scoring, why?

The desire and attitude can't be faulted but we are severely lacking in ability in midfield and upfront. The players we have won't get us to where we want.

Which brings us right back to the recruitment in the last few windows. Nothing will change until we figure out how to sign players.

I thought our desire and attitude second half was *****.

It was even worse after the red card.

[Scotty Leither]

Some well over the top reactions tonight. We should have been home and hosed inthe first 60 minutes. You would think we were dominated tonight going by some of the posts on here tonight. We have been as good if not better in most games this season , missing lots of good chances or wasteful in final phase. There are areas and positions that need improved, things we need to do better. But some of the crap being spouted is ridiculous.
We are a team that currently is as good or better than most , plenty room for improvement, but i dint see how we are worse than anyone outside the old firm.

Hopefully we can bring a few quality additions in during January and the summer windows , and move on at least 5 of the current squad who are clearly not good enough

How many times are we going to hear this about moving players on as they’re not good enough? The player churn at Easter Road needs to reduce, and the six or seven dross that we continually bring in needs to be replaced by two/three of proven quality, or else round and round we go…

[CmoantheHibs]

LJ’s game management cost us that game every bit as much as Magennis’ red card.
Care to expand?

[Leith Green]

How many times are we going to hear this about moving players on as they’re not good enough? The player churn at Easter Road needs to reduce, and the six or seven dross that we continually bring in needs to be replaced by two/three of proven quality, or else round and round we go…

I totally agree with that. Too many punts on players who are a complete gamble at best. Hopefully January will see is trim the squad and we can improve in that areas required.. Id far rather give a young academy player a chance than signing the likes of tavares , bojang Melkerson henderson etc .

I do genuinely believe we are in a better place than we were last year , but need to focus on signing a couple of quality players and moving on the ***** that johnson will have surely sussed out by now

[Jones28]

We were in control until the red then two very poor goals headers in centre of the box with three centre halfs shouldnt happen. Kenneh should have come on. Taking off kukarevich made no sense.

I thought he was right to bring him off. Already booked for persistent fouling, he was a red card waiting to happen.

[Scotty Leither]

I totally agree with that. Too many punts on players who are a complete gamble at best. Hopefully January will see is trim the squad and we can improve in that areas required.. Id far rather give a young academy player a chance than signing the likes of tavares , bojang Melkerson henderson etc .

I do genuinely believe we are in a better place than we were last year , but need to focus on signing a couple of quality players and moving on the ***** that johnson will have surely sussed out by now

Hmmmm…nagging doubt I have is he’ll not be allowed to. Players seem to have to fit a certain profile to be signed by Hibs. Like to see us spend a couple of million quid on players, because the hospitality must be close to generating a few quid every home game.

[1875STEVE]

Some well over the top reactions tonight. We should have been home and hosed inthe first 60 minutes. You would think we were dominated tonight going by some of the posts on here tonight. We have been as good if not better in most games this season , missing lots of good chances or wasteful in final phase. There are areas and positions that need improved, things we need to do better. But some of the crap being spouted is ridiculous.
We are a team that currently is as good or better than most , plenty room for improvement, but i dint see how we are worse than anyone outside the old firm.

Hopefully we can bring a few quality additions in during January and the summer windows , and move on at least 5 of the current squad who are clearly not good enough

100% agree

[Since452]

Missed chances are killing us right now. Dundee United and St Johnstone should have been dead and burried. Zero points. I'm glad we are creating chances and I'd rather that than create hee haw and get beat but we're getting beat all the same. I like LJ and we're early in his tenure but he needs to find a way to get his team finding the net more often.

[The Baldmans Comb]

Johnson just shat it. Yet again he failed to think on his feet and he had no idea how to reorganise the team defensively after the sending off and his later changes were just laugable.

He just seemed to freeze and he completely failed to read that the pendelum had totally swung in Saints favour as yet again his arrogant self belief didn't allow him to show respect to the opposition.

Ending the game with Tavares and McKirdy just summed up his ineptitude in the transfer market though there are plenty more duds to pick from admittedly not all of them his.

[Hibernia&Alba]

Johnson just shat it. Yet again he failed to think on his feet and he had no idea how to reorganise the team defensively after the sending off and his later changes were just laugable.

He just seemed to freeze and he completely failed to read that the pendelum had totally swung in Saints favour as yet again his arrogant self belief didn't allow him to show respect to the opposition.

Ending the game with Tavares and McKirdy just summed up his ineptitude in the transfer market though there are plenty more duds to pick from admittedly not all of them his.

It's always difficult when you get a sending off, but the moment it happened I knew we wouldn't hold on. We're an average side with eleven. We have a number of players who are just not good enough. LJ might well have handled the situation better, agreed, but we were doing okay until that point.

[Forza Fred]

Some well over the top reactions tonight. We should have been home and hosed inthe first 60 minutes. You would think we were dominated tonight going by some of the posts on here tonight. We have been as good if not better in most games this season , missing lots of good chances or wasteful in final phase. There are areas and positions that need improved, things we need to do better. But some of the crap being spouted is ridiculous.
We are a team that currently is as good or better than most , plenty room for improvement, but i dint see how we are worse than anyone outside the old firm.

Hopefully we can bring a few quality additions in during January and the summer windows , and move on at least 5 of the current squad who are clearly not good enough

I think your last paragraph is spot on.

We have invested heavily in ‘promising’ players, but few who have made the grade.

A degree of ruthlessness is needed, and a cull required to free up space for a couple of experienced pro’s, who while we won’t sell off at a later date, add to the NOW instead of the WHEN.

[McGruber]

LJ’s game management cost us that game every bit as much as Magennis’ red card.

Agreed. Poor from Johnson. Obviously doesn't excuse the collective arse collapse reaction from the weak mentality players

[blackpoolhibs]

I think your last paragraph is spot on.

We have invested heavily in ‘promising’ players, but few who have made the grade.

A degree of ruthlessness is needed, and a cull required to free up space for a couple of experienced pro’s, who while we won’t sell off at a later date, add to the NOW instead of the WHEN.

How long have we been saying that?

[HH81]

LJ’s game management cost us that game every bit as much as Magennis’ red card.

In his interview right before the game he was taking him off on 60 to 70 mins. If he had stick to the plan we'd have won.

Tired poor tackle cost us.

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

Every week we talk about how we shoulda done this or that.

It can't just be 'one of those things' every week. We keep saying we'll give a team a thumping if we keep playing as we are. When? It's nothing more than wishful thinking.

If our strikers aren't scoring, why?

The desire and attitude can't be faulted but we are severely lacking in ability in midfield and upfront. The players we have won't get us to where we want.

Which brings us right back to the recruitment in the last few windows. Nothing will change until we figure out how to sign players.

Decent summary.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Are we actually in the bottom half?

No, we’re not, but we’ve played 2 games more than most folk around us so simply screaming about the fact we’re in third place doesn’t really tell the whole story.

[Libby Hibby]

No, we’re not, but we’ve played 2 games more than most folk so simply screaming about the fact we’re in third place doesn’t really tell the whole story.

At this moment in time, it kind of does tell the whole story.

[matty_f]

No, we’re not, but we’ve played 2 games more than most folk so simply screaming about the fact we’re in third place doesn’t really tell the whole story.

Screaming?

[chrisski33]

How long have we been saying that?

Seems to be said every season.....

[Jones28]

I’m still not really getting the change in formation last night?

I think the manager has had a confidence wobble, or he wanted to get Rocky back on the park so he desperately wanted to accommodate three defenders?

He was so committed to 4-3-3 earlier in the season that he made subs after half an hour against rangers. Why the change?

[Paulie Walnuts]

At this moment in time, it kind of does tell the whole story.

No, it doesn’t. We’ve played 20% more games than most of the teams around us. Once they’ve played the same amount of games as us (or even one less) we won’t be third. So it doesn’t tell the whole story at all.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Screaming?

Do you actually have an opinion these days? Your posts seem to have become nothing more than an attempt to troll more often than not now.

[Libby Hibby]

No, it doesn’t.

In your opinion maybe.

[Paulie Walnuts]

In your opinion maybe.

Sorry, I edited my post as I didn’t mean to post it so quickly.

After this weekend we likely won’t be third. And teams will still have games in hand on us. So us being third doesn’t tell the whole story at all imo.

[neil7908]

Every week we talk about how we shoulda done this or that.

It can't just be 'one of those things' every week. We keep saying we'll give a team a thumping if we keep playing as we are. When? It's nothing more than wishful thinking.

If our strikers aren't scoring, why?

The desire and attitude can't be faulted but we are severely lacking in ability in midfield and upfront. The players we have won't get us to where we want.

Which brings us right back to the recruitment in the last few windows. Nothing will change until we figure out how to sign players.

This. A few posters saying others are overreacting to last night. That's a common theme on here when concern is expressed and its frustrating as for me it isn't just one result. I wouldn't be feeling the way I do if hadn't we lost to bottom of the table Dundee United and were mauled by Celtic.

Of course every club has bad games but last night wasn't just one game, it's now 3 performance in a row that haven't been good enough.

I have big questions about the manager, his formation and and how the players crumpled after losing Magennis.

But some of our recruitment, after a lot of divided opinion on here, looks terrible. Given how many bodies we've brought in and the cost of players like McKirdy and Melkerson, it's shocking that when I look at that bench I see no one who can change a game.

My hope for 3rd is draining away rapidly. Desperate to get Nisbet back and hope we haven't blown all our budget and can do some major moves in January. How many times have we said that over the years?

[WestCoastHibby]

Very disappointing last few results and LJ does come out with some very “strange” comments but this is not the time for over reaction. It’s a classic case of a team needing a result and the registered charity that is Hibernian helping them out .
We were on a good run before and I’m sure we can do again

[Paulie Walnuts]

This. A few posters saying others are overreacting to last night. That's a common theme on here when concern is expressed and its frustrating as for me it isn't just one result. I wouldn't be feeling the way I do if hadn't we lost to bottom of the table Dundee United and were mauled by Celtic.

Of course every club has bad games but last night wasn't just one game, it's now 3 performance in a row that haven't been good enough.

I have big questions about the manager, his formation and and how the players crumpled after losing Magennis.

But some of our recruitment, after a lot of divided opinion on here, looks terrible. Given how many bodies we've brought in and the cost of players like McKirdy and Melkerson, it's shocking that when I look at that bench I see no one who can change a game.

My hope for 3rd is draining away rapidly. Desperate to get Nisbet back and hope we haven't blown all our budget and can do some major moves in January. How many times have we said that over the years?

:agree:

Agree with most of this. As you said, we get beat and people go on about it being an overreaction over one defeat but that’s completely failing to take into consideration any of what’s went on before which absolutely plays it’s part in any reaction.

[WhileTheChief..]

This. A few posters saying others are overreacting to last night. That's a common theme on here when concern is expressed and its frustrating as for me it isn't just one result. I wouldn't be feeling the way I do if hadn't we lost to bottom of the table Dundee United and were mauled by Celtic.

Of course every club has bad games but last night wasn't just one game, it's now 3 performance in a row that haven't been good enough.

I have big questions about the manager, his formation and and how the players crumpled after losing Magennis.

But some of our recruitment, after a lot of divided opinion on here, looks terrible. Given how many bodies we've brought in and the cost of players like McKirdy and Melkerson, it's shocking that when I look at that bench I see no one who can change a game.

My hope for 3rd is draining away rapidly. Desperate to get Nisbet back and hope we haven't blown all our budget and can do some major moves in January. How many times have we said that over the years?

On the match day thread last night we had posters saying we had a strong bench!

I just don’t see it. Our squad is average at best and our team has been shown up several times already this season.

It’s not even just the last 3 games. From the start of the season to now, we’ve had more shocking results than decent ones.

Despite our points tally and current position in the league, it’s been a poor opening quarter.

We were told to be patient and to give the players time. Well, we have been and we did, but nothing has changed!

[Ayrshire Hibee]

I work sometimes with a Sunderland season ticket holder. He said as soon as he was appointed...you have got Streaky as your new manager....be prepared for winning streaks and losing streaks.... unfortunately we are on the losing streak at the moment!

[matty_f]

Do you actually have an opinion these days? Your posts seem to have become nothing more than an attempt to troll more often than not now.

I think you’re reading something into my posts that I’ve not said.

[Tyler Durden]

On the match day thread last night we had posters saying we had a strong bench!

I just don’t see it. Our squad is average at best and our team has been shown up several times already this season.

It’s not even just the last 3 games. From the start of the season to now, we’ve had more shocking results than decent ones.

Despite our points tally and current position in the league, it’s been a poor opening quarter.

We were told to be patient and to give the players time. Well, we have been and we did, but nothing has changed!

Nothing has changed LOL

We are third in the league, could still be there at 5pm. We create lots of chances and are amongst the most effective pressing teams in the U.K.

Johnson has improved the likes of Newell and Campbell no end this season.

Lots of progress even if we’ve had some bad results

[neil7908]

Nothing has changed LOL

We are third in the league, could still be there at 5pm. We create lots of chances and are amongst the most effective pressing teams in the U.K.

Johnson has improved the likes of Newell and Campbell no end this season.

Lots of progress even if we’ve had some bad results

One of the most effective pressing teams in the UK? I'm very interested in the analysis behind that.

[matty_f]

Nothing has changed LOL

We are third in the league, could still be there at 5pm. We create lots of chances and are amongst the most effective pressing teams in the U.K.

Johnson has improved the likes of Newell and Campbell no end this season.

Lots of progress even if we’ve had some bad results

I agree with this. Caveat being that ultimately all that matters is results, but the best way to get those results over a sustained period is to get performance right, and we’re night and day from last season.

If you look at most key metrics this season, we’re right up there and eventually that starts to tell.

I remember a Twitter account flagging Hibs as being in a false position because the story of our xG for and against said we should have been much lower in the League than we were, and ultimately they were right, the “fine margins” that had gone our way started going the other way and we dropped down the league because our performances stayed much the same.

I know how tired and worn out this phrase is but we really need to start thinking beyond two or three matches at a time (wins or defeats) and let the manager have time to deliver.

[matty_f]

One of the most effective pressing teams in the UK? I'm very interested in the analysis behind that.

I can’t find the tweet but there was one circulating yesterday and we were very well placed in it for our pressing.

[WhileTheChief..]

Nothing has changed LOL

We are third in the league, could still be there at 5pm. We create lots of chances and are amongst the most effective pressing teams in the U.K.

Johnson has improved the likes of Newell and Campbell no end this season.

Lots of progress even if we’ve had some bad results

Campbell is much improved for sure. I'll give hm some credit for that though, it's not all down to LJ!!

We went from beating St J away to losing to them at home, so yeah, I guess some things have changed :greengrin

[WhileTheChief..]

I know how tired and worn out this phrase is but we really need to start thinking beyond two or three matches at a time (wins or defeats) and let the manager have time to deliver.

We are though, we're a quarter into the season.

Back in August, everyone was saying to wait until now to pass comment as the players and manager needed time.

So here we are, passing comment.

Don't think I'll ever get to the stage of discussing our xG in the pub with mates though!! I know it's a bit old fashioned, but we talk about performances and results.

[J-C]

Nothing has changed LOL

We are third in the league, could still be there at 5pm. We create lots of chances and are amongst the most effective pressing teams in the U.K.

Johnson has improved the likes of Newell and Campbell no end this season.

Lots of progress even if we’ve had some bad results

Haha, better than Arsenal, Man City, Brighton etc

[matty_f]

We are though, we're a quarter into the season.

Back in August, everyone was saying to wait until now to pass comment as the players and manager needed time.

So here we are, passing comment.

Don't think I'll ever get to the stage of discussing our xG in the pub with mates though!! I know it's a bit old fashioned, but we talk about performances and results.

Yeah and where were these complaints after the three or four wins on the bounce? It is reactionary to the last three games. As of just not we’re sitting third in the league, that might well change by tonight but it might not. Are you not happy with third?

Who is talking about xG in the pub? Banal point.

[matty_f]

Haha, better than Arsenal, Man City, Brighton etc

Not sure if this is a woosh moment but he never said we were the best so I’m not sure what your point is?

[Hermit Crab]

Jair is way too slight to make it at ER even if he had the skills of Maradona, which he appears not to. McKirdy needs more than the odd 5 minutes here and there at the end of games if we’re going to find out whether he can play.


He started last week and was absolutely horrendous. Looked completely out his depth. Nowhere near good enough based on evidence so far.

[Chorley Hibee]

He started last week and was absolutely horrendous. Looked completely out his depth. Nowhere near good enough based on evidence so far.

And another great whack of cash spent too.

Add that to Melkersen, Hauge, Miller, Youan, Tavares, Henderson, Bojang, the assistant manager's laddie and (including contracts) we must be talking £1.5 to 2 million pissed away on mediocrity at best.

[Broken Gnome]

It's been a good wee while since I've seen Hibs look so comfortable and superior in a game. We were winning, we deserved to be winning, 2-0/3-0 wouldn't have flattered us after an hour, thinking back to Boyle's near post chance and Youan's efforts. Good chances, well created.

Campbell and Boyle were also guilty of horrific through balls which should have led to likely goals.

That, coupled with the fact that Saints did not look like scoring at all, is quite important in the grand scheme of things. The overall performance doesn't deserve quite such a kicking if we were so well placed to win - we weren't outstanding, a few players were sub-par, but we were more than decent for large chunks of that.

It's obviously totally skewed by it being a horrendous result. We don't lose without the sending off, don't think it's too controversial to say that. It would've been pretty typical Hibs to have plodded on at 1-0 and let Saints nab an equaliser, so could easily have envisaged us dropping points at 11v11.

Two main failings - not putting the game to bed, and dealing with the sending off really badly. If you're looking at how we were playing before the red card and using that as a barometer for how Hibs are looking to play, I'm really not sure about the criticism Johnson's getting - the results are the problem and I'm sick fed up of losing games we should be winning, but the football and style is better than it was and he should hardly be under pressure.

It's overwhelming one to stick with rather than further change.

[Bobby's Cinema]

Find it difficult to criticise the manager too much.
Can't really legistlate for someone getting sent off and losing a goal from a corner.

He is getting out of the players creating a load of chances and limiting the opposition to few chances most weeks.
He can't put them away himself.

Although we have a bench full of signings it's becoming clear they are not the strongest options.

[neil7908]

Yeah and where were these complaints after the three or four wins on the bounce? It is reactionary to the last three games. As of just not we’re sitting third in the league, that might well change by tonight but it might not. Are you not happy with third?

Who is talking about xG in the pub? Banal point.

The problem is if you voice concern after a few wins you get hounded for being negative. A few folk mentioned how sending offs had been a big benefit for us and the responses were mostly GTF stop being a bedwetter.

Then we go on a bad run and we can't criticise after 3 really poor results.

As others have said, we are a decent chunk of the way through the season and have played everyone. It seems a reasonable time to reflect and nothing I have seen has been OTT on LJ or the players.

I can only speak for myself but it's just the immense frustration that we get time and time again where things start to look up, crowds come back and then we put in a few shocking performances to really deflate the good vibes.

[B.H.F.C]

It's been a good wee while since I've seen Hibs look so comfortable and superior in a game. We were winning, we deserved to be winning, 2-0/3-0 wouldn't have flattered us after an hour, thinking back to Boyle's near post chance and Youan's efforts. Good chances, well created.

Campbell and Boyle were also guilty of horrific through balls which should have led to likely goals.

That, coupled with the fact that Saints did not look like scoring at all, is quite important in the grand scheme of things. The overall performance doesn't deserve quite such a kicking if we were so well placed to win - we weren't outstanding, a few players were sub-par, but we were more than decent for large chunks of that.

It's obviously totally skewed by it being a horrendous result. We don't lose without the sending off, don't think it's too controversial to say that. It would've been pretty typical Hibs to have plodded on at 1-0 and let Saints nab an equaliser, so could easily have envisaged us dropping points at 11v11.

Two main failings - not putting the game to bed, and dealing with the sending off really badly. If you're looking at how we were playing before the red card and using that as a barometer for how Hibs are looking to play, I'm really not sure about the criticism Johnson's getting - the results are the problem and I'm sick fed up of losing games we should be winning, but the football and style is better than it was and he should hardly be under pressure.

It's overwhelming one to stick with rather than further change.

His job shouldn’t be under threat or anything like that. But he’s going to need to improve the results quickly.

5 wins from 12 in the league, only 1 against 11 men, in the league is poor. Especially when you couple that with a disastrous league cup campaign.

If we maintain our current recruitment model for players I think any manager would find it tough though.

[GreenCastle]

I can only speak for myself but it's just the immense frustration that we get time and time again where things start to look up, crowds come back and then we put in a few shocking performances to really deflate the good vibes.

I think this is where the majority of posters are..it felt like a corner has been turned with some performances and style of play then we had an awful 10 days losing 9 goals and scoring 3. 0 points from 9 - 4 points from these games and our push for 3rd would look more realistic.

I’m curious to see what we do in January with new players - always hard to get decent players in but several players aren’t playing / giving us anything back. Don’t want to call it deadwood but this happened past few seasons with players just picking up a wage and not contributing. Leadership still lacking but not sure the scouts even look at this when recommending players.

Next 4 games are important before the break especially Aberdeen away.

After World Cup we return to play Celtic home, Rangers away and Hearts away - with Livi home in between.

Basically now till the Derby will see if we have improved performance and results wise - otherwise we will be known as a team that plays some nice stuff with no end product and Johnson will be under pressure.

[Real Emerald]

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His job shouldn’t be under threat or anything like that. But he’s going to need to improve the results quickly.

5 wins from 12 in the league, only 1 against 11 men, in the league is poor. Especially when you couple that with a disastrous league cup campaign.

If we maintain our current recruitment model for players I think any manager would find it tough though.​

I agree with the recruitment issue. We have recruited a whole host of players who don’t really look like they’re good enough to become first team regulars.

[GreenCastle]

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His job shouldn’t be under threat or anything like that. But he’s going to need to improve the results quickly.

5 wins from 12 in the league, only 1 against 11 men, in the league is poor. Especially when you couple that with a disastrous league cup campaign.

If we maintain our current recruitment model for players I think any manager would find it tough though.​

I agree with the recruitment issue. We have recruited a whole host of players who don’t really look like they’re good enough to become first team regulars.

Therefore have recruited players who won’t be sold for a profit and a waste of money.

This is what I predicted a while back with the young promising player approach - we will end up with a lot of players who won’t be sold on for any money blocking other young players progression.

I guess they feel they may hit the jackpot with a single player but currently who is that player ??! English Academies have this issue too - so much money spent and hoping to sell at least one big player to keep funding it.

Still early but not seeing anyone at SJM levels for example.

[loanheadhibby]

The problem is if you voice concern after a few wins you get hounded for being negative. A few folk mentioned how sending offs had been a big benefit for us and the responses were mostly GTF stop being a bedwetter.

Then we go on a bad run and we can't criticise after 3 really poor results.

As others have said, we are a decent chunk of the way through the season and have played everyone. It seems a reasonable time to reflect and nothing I have seen has been OTT on LJ or the players.

I can only speak for myself but it's just the immense frustration that we get time and time again where things start to look up, crowds come back and then we put in a few shocking performances to really deflate the good vibes.

Totally agree with this. You’re hounded on here for having a slightly different opinion. We’re far enough in to the season now to make a reasonable judgement. Last night was not good enough and neither was last weekend.

Does not matter if we were the best team for 60/70 mins. We lost to a pretty poor side. It was a capitulation from the team and manager. Absolutely no desire to hold on to what we had.

It’s generally meant to be harder playing against 10 men yet we folded like a pack of cards. There’s no toughness in the team supplemented by mediocre footballers.

[J-C]

Not sure if this is a woosh moment but he never said we were the best so I’m not sure what your point is?

One of the most effective pressing teams in the UK is what he said, nonsense.

[Paulie Walnuts]

The problem is if you voice concern after a few wins you get hounded for being negative. A few folk mentioned how sending offs had been a big benefit for us and the responses were mostly GTF stop being a bedwetter.

Then we go on a bad run and we can't criticise after 3 really poor results.

As others have said, we are a decent chunk of the way through the season and have played everyone. It seems a reasonable time to reflect and nothing I have seen has been OTT on LJ or the players.

I can only speak for myself but it's just the immense frustration that we get time and time again where things start to look up, crowds come back and then we put in a few shocking performances to really deflate the good vibes.

:agree:

The same posters who ask why people weren’t criticising us over the 4 wins we had (bizarre question anyway) are the same ones who would be telling people to **** off or asking why they support Hibs if they had done.

[loanheadhibby]

Not sure if this is a woosh moment but he never said we were the best so I’m not sure what your point is?

Did not see much of the 6 second frenzy last night or last Saturday. Another spin phrase from the manager without much to back it up.

[SlickShoes]

We are better now than we ended up last season; it's pretty obvious. If you don't think we are, then I can only think you have memory issues.

However, we do still have a lot of the same issues present, working our way up the wing only to pass it all the way back, crossing balls in to the box to absolutely no one, making catastrophic individual errors, strikers unable to score goals. Decision making in the final third is just pure garbage, many shots aren't hit clean, passes the wrong option or just not executed to a basic level.

Luckily everyone in this league outwith Rangers and Celtc are about at the same level, which you can see by the fact we've lost three on the bounce and have barely moved in league position.

[GreenCastle]

We are better now than we ended up last season; it's pretty obvious. If you don't think we are, then I can only think you have memory issues.

However, we do still have a lot of the same issues present, working our way up the wing only to pass it all the way back, crossing balls in to the box to absolutely no one, making catastrophic individual errors, strikers unable to score goals. Decision making in the final third is just pure garbage, many shots aren't hit clean, passes the wrong option or just not executed to a basic level.

Luckily everyone in this league outwith Rangers and Celtc are about at the same level, which you can see by the fact we've lost two on the bounce and have barely moved in league position.

We are better yes but don’t think that was hard considering the absolute dross we had become.

Would prefer not to just measure us on last season and measure us against opposition and resources.

I think if we had made the semi final of league cup he wouldn’t be getting asked questions but he started off so badly he’s playing catch up.

He needs to be consistently beating lower teams and needs to get a result in future at against a Cat A team.

[Northernhibee]

The wheelbarrow that the manager has been given by the squad is a bit rusty and the wheels wobbly, but he’s still gotten it part of the way up the hill.

We do create more chances but if we remember for the last two weeks of the transfer window Lee was screaming out for more players and we ended up signing McKirdy at the very last second.

I think it’s worth giving Lee a bit more space to work and do his thing as I do think in time he’ll do well. There are some sections of games I really enjoy watching this season.

[blackpoolhibs]

We are starting to get quite a list of teams we must be frightened of before we go onto the park.

[B.H.F.C]

We should be miles clear in third.

For all the talk (rightly) about our finishing we have thrown away points with some terrible defending. Last night, we didn’t deal with two simple balls in to the box. Three points gone. Livingston away, we get ourselves back in to the game, don’t deal with a simple ball in to the box, one point gone. At times, we really, collectively, don’t do the basics. In the scenario we found ourselves in last night I think we lack someone on the pitch who is going to get hold of the rest and make sure we do things right. The sending off shouldn’t have changed things the way it did last night.

There are certain games that you just don’t turn up and/or the opposition are better and you write them off. But we’ve cost ourselves too many points this season.

[MWHIBBIES]

We are starting to get quite a list of teams we must be frightened of before we go onto the park.

No, we're not. Dumb thing to say really. We were much the better side for the first 70 minutes.

[blackpoolhibs]

No, we're not. Dumb thing to say really. We were much the better side for the first 70 minutes.

Great, did we win the 70 minute league?

[Northernhibee]

Great, did we win the 70 minute league?
I see you’ve now found your latest dreary line of patter since Newell’s showing what a good player he is again.

[Tyler Durden]

One of the most effective pressing teams in the UK is what he said, nonsense.

It’s not nonsense.

Here is the analysis for Scottish teams looking at the PPDA metric - you can read up on that yourself. Hibs performance would compare favourably among the best in the EPL.

https://twitter.com/thebillorr/status/1583340304517791746?s=46&t=D_hrLjjiDAU3_k2St2HWWA

Johnson has totally changed our style of play from the slow and dull Ross/Maloney stuff. Any objective analysis would recognise that. Albeit last night was a step backwards.

What is nonsense, is people suggesting we’ve made no progress and there are loads of things to be concerned about. The manager has shown he’s changing things and deserves time to continue that.

[blackpoolhibs]

I see you’ve now found your latest dreary line of patter since Newell’s showing what a good player he is again.

Newell has found form, in fact i have said so every game he's played well, he even played well yesterday again.

What is dreary is seeing excuse after excuse for every defeat we have, when it's clear we are just not very good and dont have many good players again after spending an absolute fortune.

[Donegal Hibby]

Johnson was appointed manager at Oldham on 2013 at the age of 31 and became the youngest manager in football league.Oldham were in relegation trouble and he guided them to safety. Following year he vowed to make changes which he did and guided them to 15th .There best finish since 2008/9 season also had a ten game unbeaten run too.He moved to Barnsley 2015 with the team in 16th place and guided them to 11th finish 5wins ,6 draws an 3 defeats . Second year he left them in 12th place and had also guided them to E F L trophy final which his successor Paul Heckingbottom managed to win .He was then appointed manager of Bristol city on 2016 who were relegation threatened.He went on to get several victories during there 16 games and guided to a comfortable 12 points clear of relegation.2017/18 season he got them to the semi final of the cup,beating several premier League clubs along the way including Jose mourinhos Man United.They lost 3-5 to Man city in semi which Pepe Guardiola praised Johnson's style of play . They finished 11th that year ,8 points out of the play offs . The following year he finished 8th , their best league finish since 2007/8 season. 2020 he was appointed Sunderland manager after a run of poor results and a heavy away defeat to Bolton he was replaced even though Sunderland sat 3rd in league just 2 points of league leaders Rotherham at that time . He also when at Bristol city received Death threats after signing Matty Taylor from Bristol Rovers and revealed he had to move home after his family's home address was being publicised on line . Lee Johnson fan btw. :greengrin

[MWHIBBIES]

Great, did we win the 70 minute league?

No, but we didn't play scared last night like you're suggesting. 11v11 we win comfortably and extend our lead in 3rd. It's amazing how one mistake changes everything on here.

Biggest argument against fan ownership is a reading.net after a loss. Cesspit.

[bigwheel]

No, but we didn't play scared last night like you're suggesting. 11v11 we win comfortably and extend our lead in 3rd. It's amazing how one mistake changes everything on here.

Biggest argument against fan ownership is a reading.net after a loss. Cesspit.

I agree with the first point - we did freeze though when we went to 10 men..it was as if the confidence was immediately sucked out of us . Didn’t respond until we were 2-1 down ..and even at 11v11. We weren’t convincing as we searched for a second .. was a poor performance in the final third overall

[loanheadhibby]

No, but we didn't play scared last night like you're suggesting. 11v11 we win comfortably and extend our lead in 3rd. It's amazing how one mistake changes everything on here.

Biggest argument against fan ownership is a reading.net after a loss. Cesspit.

Cesspit or not, it’s us fans that are putting our hard earned in to this club. Circa 19000 last night and we’re entitled to make our feelings known surely?

At no point last night were we winning comfortably. At 1 0, there is always a chance for the opposition.

[Broken Gnome]

Cesspit or not, it’s us fans that are putting our hard earned in to this club. Circa 19000 last night and we’re entitled to make our feelings known surely?

At no point last night were we winning comfortably. At 1 0, there is always a chance for the opposition.

At 65 minutes we were comfortably winning. I don't think we were ever actually going on to win the game comfortably at 1-0, which was very much the problem and one that got infinitely worse when Magennis went off.

[J-C]

It’s not nonsense.

Here is the analysis for Scottish teams looking at the PPDA metric - you can read up on that yourself. Hibs performance would compare favourably among the best in the EPL.

https://twitter.com/thebillorr/status/1583340304517791746?s=46&t=D_hrLjjiDAU3_k2St2HWWA

Johnson has totally changed our style of play from the slow and dull Ross/Maloney stuff. Any objective analysis would recognise that. Albeit last night was a step backwards.

What is nonsense, is people suggesting we’ve made no progress and there are loads of things to be concerned about. The manager has shown he’s changing things and deserves time to continue that.

That shows Scottish leagues which I'll accept but you mentioned UK

[loanheadhibby]

At 65 minutes we were comfortably winning. I don't think we were ever actually going on to win the game comfortably at 1-0, which was very much the problem and one that got infinitely worse when Magennis went off.

1 0 is never comfortable as the longer the game goes, the winning team inevitably try to defend. Even if it was 11 v 11, they would have put us under pressure towards the end.

We re-acted terribly to going down to 10 men. Absolutely no leaders in our pack unfortunately. No one good enough to grab game by scruff of the neck.

[matty_f]

One of the most effective pressing teams in the UK is what he said, nonsense.

What’s your evidence for that? I saw some days shared on Twitter yesterday or the day before that supported his point. Are you saying that’s wrong?

[Tyler Durden]

That shows Scottish leagues which I'll accept but you mentioned UK

If you take the time to find the EPL numbers you’ll see that anything under 8 would be amongst the best.

[Broken Gnome]

1 0 is never comfortable as the longer the game goes, the winning team inevitably try to defend. Even if it was 11 v 11, they would have put us under pressure towards the end.

We re-acted terribly to going down to 19 men. Absolutely no leaders in our pack unfortunately. No one good enough to grab game by scruff of the neck.

We're agreeing really - I thought we were doing fine and most likely to score next, but without that the game would have changed at some point even without the sending off.

[matty_f]

:agree:

The same posters who ask why people weren’t criticising us over the 4 wins we had (bizarre question anyway) are the same ones who would be telling people to **** off or asking why they support Hibs if they had done.

It wasn’t people, it was a person, and I’ve not asked anyone that question.

[Donegal Hibby]

Cesspit or not, it’s us fans that are putting our hard earned in to this club. Circa 19000 last night and we’re entitled to make our feelings known surely?

At no point last night were we winning comfortably. At 1 0, there is always a chance for the opposition.
1- 0 is a nervy score line I will grant you that but we were in control and comfortable looking in it . Looked like only one team in it and really should have been 2 or 3 up before sending off . It's a case of some poor finishing , a absolutely shocking referee and two mistakes at the back .For 70 minutes we were pretty good , we could even have got a draw at the end only for the tightest of calls .As for you making your feelings known you've done excellent in that regard calling Johnson clueless and had negative comments about almost everything green and white .you even stated that Rocky should be ashamed of himself ,that was the best of the lot that one . Man of the match player ,who was outstanding the whole game .