We need to talk about Lee

[Keith_M]

I honestly don't get the impression that many people are getting carried away with a couple of wins or that anybody thinks we're the finished article.

Seems like most of the positive comments have been quite realistic, basically just appreciating that we have improved a bit, both in results and style.

I'm personally not convinced by LJ's dress sense, but I suppose you can't have everything.

[Billy Whizz]

Nisbet won't get back in the team.

I don’t think he’ll be ready to start this side of the World Cup break. After being out so long , it’s going to take a bit to find his feet, and then be good enough to get back into the team

[Donegal Hibby]

Has everyone forgotten about Roy Keane?:faf:
Forgot about him .I'd rather have McKay or McInnes to him .Hell I'd even have Dolores Keane instead of him .what a Disaster that would have been. Really shocked me was how many wanted him on here. Thought they were just taking the p**s in the end up. :hilarious

[overdrive]

[On January 20, 2022, Mueller made his debut for Hibernian (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hibernian_F.C.), he was allowed to return to the US in May 2022.
Hibs chief executive Ben Kensell said that Mueller had struggled to "adapt to the pace and physicality" of Scottish football.]
Ben maybe being diplomatic.

Personally,i think he also was surprised, if not shocked ,at the levels of fitness needed to compete here.

Or he may have just been homesick for buffalo wings and Wendy's eggs benedict !:greengrin

I think the fitness thing is probably not too far off, and probably links into the physicality aspect. I couldn’t believe some of the stuff he came out with regarding fitness and gym work (or lack of) in the States when he first came over.

[Ronniekirk]

Nisbet won't get back in the team.

Not in the near future But if he gets himself match fit and stats fit he will surely get the opportunity to stake his claim

[Aldo]

I’ll be more than happy when everyone is fit. It means everyone needs to be on top of their game or they might lose their starting place!


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[ancient hibee]

LJ having a dig at Sportscene and Michael Stewart in his interview in the Sunday Times today.

[Donegal Hibby]

LJ having a dig at Sportscene and Michael Stewart in his interview in the Sunday Times today.
Can't get it .what's he saying ?

[Green Reaper]

LJ having a dig at Sportscene and Michael Stewart in his interview in the Sunday Times today.

Good to hear, can someone do a copy/paste please as no access to it

[mike1875]

Good to hear, can someone do a copy/paste please as no access to it

“It’s a blessing and a curse. The passion and opinion that comes with it is a blessing, but if you lose your focus it’s a curse. You can feel mini vendettas because of the intensity of playing each other so many times plus the media exposure. You can get sucked into that.”

That’s why he’s consciously stayed out of the sequels to five red cards being dished out to opposition players this season. What he won’t accept is that it’s fortune favouring Hibs. “I haven’t watched Soccerscene [Sportscene, the BBC’s highlights show], apart from once — after the Aberdeen game — and now I know why I don’t watch it.

“I was listening to [pundit] Mikey Stewart, I haven’t got a problem with him, but he was like ‘What is the identity? Hibs have played against teams that have had a man sent off’.

“I’d say that our good play creates the sending-offs. When you play the ball over the top and [Martin] Boyle gets in behind against a slowish defender and he pulls him down, that’s worked on. When [Liam] Scales takes down Josh Campbell when he does a little trick with quick feet, that’s skill, when we isolate for the [Ryan] Porteous one-on-one with a defender ...

“I’d say a lot of those sending-offs have been down to skill, fitness, tactics and not just because somebody has turned round and smacked someone like the [Alfredo] Morelos one [against Rangers]. You try and create threats and problems for the opponent and do a lot of work on isolating your strengths versus their weaknesses, whether that’s a set play or a ball over the top because you have elongated the pitch and made penetrative runs.

“That’s my point. It’s not fluke that’s happened. We are not telling players to cheat at all, but we are working on these things.”

[GRA]

The knee jerk reaction after the league cup debacle was OTT. Clearly needed time to implement his ideas and style. Not new after taking on a team low on confidence. Look at Ange with Celtic last season.

Even when we weren't getting the results in August the late goals against Hearts/Rangers showed me he's instilled a never say die attitude. Once the team clicked those two combined are a useful combination.

It's early days but promising signs. If all our injuries clear we'll take some stopping.

[Wheat Hound]

Soccerscene 😄😄
Well said LJ

[HendoDelivered]

We look much more settled now. So much more cohesive, this is just the beginning of an exciting journey!

[Alfred E Newman]

Soccerscene 😄😄
Well said LJ

Slaverscene more like.

[hibsbollah]

“It’s a blessing and a curse. The passion and opinion that comes with it is a blessing, but if you lose your focus it’s a curse. You can feel mini vendettas because of the intensity of playing each other so many times plus the media exposure. You can get sucked into that.”

That’s why he’s consciously stayed out of the sequels to five red cards being dished out to opposition players this season. What he won’t accept is that it’s fortune favouring Hibs. “I haven’t watched Soccerscene [Sportscene, the BBC’s highlights show], apart from once — after the Aberdeen game — and now I know why I don’t watch it.

“I was listening to [pundit] Mikey Stewart, I haven’t got a problem with him, but he was like ‘What is the identity? Hibs have played against teams that have had a man sent off’.

“I’d say that our good play creates the sending-offs. When you play the ball over the top and [Martin] Boyle gets in behind against a slowish defender and he pulls him down, that’s worked on. When [Liam] Scales takes down Josh Campbell when he does a little trick with quick feet, that’s skill, when we isolate for the [Ryan] Porteous one-on-one with a defender ...

“I’d say a lot of those sending-offs have been down to skill, fitness, tactics and not just because somebody has turned round and smacked someone like the [Alfredo] Morelos one [against Rangers]. You try and create threats and problems for the opponent and do a lot of work on isolating your strengths versus their weaknesses, whether that’s a set play or a ball over the top because you have elongated the pitch and made penetrative runs.

“That’s my point. It’s not fluke that’s happened. We are not telling players to cheat at all, but we are working on these things.”

Its an intelligent response.

[Donegal Hibby]

“It’s a blessing and a curse. The passion and opinion that comes with it is a blessing, but if you lose your focus it’s a curse. You can feel mini vendettas because of the intensity of playing each other so many times plus the media exposure. You can get sucked into that.”

That’s why he’s consciously stayed out of the sequels to five red cards being dished out to opposition players this season. What he won’t accept is that it’s fortune favouring Hibs. “I haven’t watched Soccerscene [Sportscene, the BBC’s highlights show], apart from once — after the Aberdeen game — and now I know why I don’t watch it.

“I was listening to [pundit] Mikey Stewart, I haven’t got a problem with him, but he was like ‘What is the identity? Hibs have played against teams that have had a man sent off’.

“I’d say that our good play creates the sending-offs. When you play the ball over the top and [Martin] Boyle gets in behind against a slowish defender and he pulls him down, that’s worked on. When [Liam] Scales takes down Josh Campbell when he does a little trick with quick feet, that’s skill, when we isolate for the [Ryan] Porteous one-on-one with a defender ...
“I’d say a lot of those sending-offs have been down to skill, fitness, tactics and not just because somebody has turned round and smacked someone like the [Alfredo] Morelos one [against Rangers]. You try and create threats and problems for the opponent and do a lot of work on isolating your strengths versus their weaknesses, whether that’s a set play or a ball over the top because you have elongated the pitch and made penetrative runs.

“That’s my point. It’s not fluke that’s happened. We are not telling players to cheat at all, but we are working on these things.”
Thanks for that. :aok:. . Speaks well our LJ

[Iain G]

Thanks for that. :aok:. . Speaks well our LJ

It's very refreshing, he isn't part of the usual don't really say anything school of thought and he speaks his mind and his view, but in a calm, balanced and fairly honest way.

[Donegal Hibby]

It's very refreshing, he isn't part of the usual don't really say anything school of thought and he speaks his mind and his view, but in a calm, balanced and fairly honest way.
Totally agree with you . LJ speaks very well unlike someone else we know. Btw there's a story in the Scotsman titled something like"Lee Johnson's Hibs have turned a corner just as he predicted they would"

[Donegal Hibby]

Been checking something out to pass the time maybe it's been already done . Shots / shots on
Celtic 15/6
19/4
17/6
Rangers 11/2
16/6
20/7
Hearts 6/0
10/6
7/1
Dons. 11/5
5/1
16/8
Hibs. 25/8
25/8
24/9.
Last 3 games!

[poolman]

Slaverscene more like.



Bolloxscene

[Waxy]

Agendascene

[worcesterhibby]

I honestly don't get the impression that many people are getting carried away with a couple of wins

I am...a bit ....

:flag::hyper:hyper:flag::scarf::scarf::flag:

[007]

“It’s a blessing and a curse. The passion and opinion that comes with it is a blessing, but if you lose your focus it’s a curse. You can feel mini vendettas because of the intensity of playing each other so many times plus the media exposure. You can get sucked into that.”

That’s why he’s consciously stayed out of the sequels to five red cards being dished out to opposition players this season. What he won’t accept is that it’s fortune favouring Hibs. “I haven’t watched Soccerscene [Sportscene, the BBC’s highlights show], apart from once — after the Aberdeen game — and now I know why I don’t watch it.

“I was listening to [pundit] Mikey Stewart, I haven’t got a problem with him, but he was like ‘What is the identity? Hibs have played against teams that have had a man sent off’.

“I’d say that our good play creates the sending-offs. When you play the ball over the top and [Martin] Boyle gets in behind against a slowish defender and he pulls him down, that’s worked on. When [Liam] Scales takes down Josh Campbell when he does a little trick with quick feet, that’s skill, when we isolate for the [Ryan] Porteous one-on-one with a defender ...

“I’d say a lot of those sending-offs have been down to skill, fitness, tactics and not just because somebody has turned round and smacked someone like the [Alfredo] Morelos one [against Rangers]. You try and create threats and problems for the opponent and do a lot of work on isolating your strengths versus their weaknesses, whether that’s a set play or a ball over the top because you have elongated the pitch and made penetrative runs.

“That’s my point. It’s not fluke that’s happened. We are not telling players to cheat at all, but we are working on these things.”

Good interview. He's right enough, when do they ever cover any other sports? 🤔

[Kato]

Been checking something out to pass the time maybe it's been already done . Shots / shots on
Celtic 15/6
19/4
17/6
Rangers 11/2
16/6
20/7
Hearts 6/0
10/6
7/1
Dons. 11/5
5/1
16/8
Hibs. 25/8
25/8
24/9.
Last 3 games!Our percentage of chances taken is about half everyone else's. Need to start firing them in, which I'm sure will happen.

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[Donegal Hibby]

Our percentage of chances taken is about half everyone else's. Need to start firing them in, which I'm sure will happen.

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Yeah think we must be doing most things right to have stats like that. Thought they were impressive ,Just need things to click now with our forwards which I'm sure they will too :agree: .

[bod]

“It’s a blessing and a curse. The passion and opinion that comes with it is a blessing, but if you lose your focus it’s a curse. You can feel mini vendettas because of the intensity of playing each other so many times plus the media exposure. You can get sucked into that.”

That’s why he’s consciously stayed out of the sequels to five red cards being dished out to opposition players this season. What he won’t accept is that it’s fortune favouring Hibs. “I haven’t watched Soccerscene [Sportscene, the BBC’s highlights show], apart from once — after the Aberdeen game — and now I know why I don’t watch it.

“I was listening to [pundit] Mikey Stewart, I haven’t got a problem with him, but he was like ‘What is the identity? Hibs have played against teams that have had a man sent off’.

“I’d say that our good play creates the sending-offs. When you play the ball over the top and [Martin] Boyle gets in behind against a slowish defender and he pulls him down, that’s worked on. When [Liam] Scales takes down Josh Campbell when he does a little trick with quick feet, that’s skill, when we isolate for the [Ryan] Porteous one-on-one with a defender ...

“I’d say a lot of those sending-offs have been down to skill, fitness, tactics and not just because somebody has turned round and smacked someone like the [Alfredo] Morelos one [against Rangers]. You try and create threats and problems for the opponent and do a lot of work on isolating your strengths versus their weaknesses, whether that’s a set play or a ball over the top because you have elongated the pitch and made penetrative runs.

“That’s my point. It’s not fluke that’s happened. We are not telling players to cheat at all, but we are working on these things.”

Here’s for posting

[Mick O'Rourke]

Slaverscene more like.
:top marks:aok:

[Donegal Hibby]

Over the last 3 games we have had a impressive 74 shots . Which puts us in number one spot for shots.Anyone know who's second ?
Might surprise a few of you!

[Since452]

I've ben saying it for weeks now but when it clicks for us infront of goal we are going to absolutley batter someone. We are winning games comfortably without converting many of the numerous chances we make. Wouldn't surprise me if we hit 5 or 6 in the next couple of weeks.

[Wilson]

I've ben saying it for weeks now but when it clicks for us infront of goal we are going to absolutley batter someone. We are winning games comfortably without converting many of the numerous chances we make. Wouldn't surprise me if we hit 5 or 6 in the next couple of weeks.

Perhaps the next couple of games. At home to Well or away to Dundee Utd perhaps. Fixtures after those seem less likely.

To be honest I'll just be happy if we keep up the good form.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Perhaps the next couple of games. At home to Well or away to Dundee Utd perhaps. Fixtures after those seem less likely.

To be honest I'll just be happy if we keep up the good form.

Yup.

Would be nice to give someone a doing but enjoyable performances and wins are enough.

[Donegal Hibby]

Over the last 3 games we have had a impressive 74 shots . Which puts us in number one spot for shots.Anyone know who's second ?
Might surprise a few of you!
Answers Motherwell. Hibs 74 .Motherwell 53 . Should be a fair few goals Saturday .

[Donegal Hibby]

I was looking up on LJ . He seemed to have been harshly treated at his previous club Sunderland imo. Was sacked after a 6 nil hammering by Bolton which is a extremely bad result though if you look at the bigger picture he had managed them 78 games 40 wins 20. Draws 18 defeats .with a win percentage of 51.3 . They were sitting 3rd in league , two points of top team rotherham when he was sacked . Think it was harsh myself though Sunderland's loss is Hibs gain hopefully :wink:

[007]

Answers Motherwell. Hibs 74 .Motherwell 53 . Should be a fair few goals Saturday .

Or a lot of misses. 🤔

[Donegal Hibby]

Or a lot of misses. 🤔
This is also true as in the last 3 games we have missed plenty. Surely we will click soon though ?:I'm waiti

[JimBHibees]

I was looking up on LJ . He seemed to have been harshly treated at his previous club Sunderland imo. Was sacked after a 6 nil hammering by Bolton which is a extremely bad result though if you look at the bigger picture he had managed them 78 games 40 wins 20. Draws 18 defeats .with a win percentage of 51.3 . They were sitting 3rd in league , two points of top team rotherham when he was sacked . Think it was harsh myself though Sunderland's loss is Hibs gain hopefully :wink:

Incredibly harsh sacking at any level

[Iain G]

Or a lot of misses. 🤔

Like Ryan Giggs? 😁

[Eyrie]

Like Ryan Giggs? 😁

Nope, we only beat football teams.

[Donegal Hibby]

Expecting tough game Saturday . Motherwell have been similar to us lately plenty of shots but not enough on target or not enough converted . Game they had against hearts prime example they had 25 shots with 5 on target to hearts 10/6 yet hearts ran out 3 nil winners .Hopefully Lee Johnson has Hibs right up for this and we finally click up front on Saturday . Motherwell certainly have tonight 5 goals from 11 shots with 6 on target .pretty clinical. Expecting plenty of goals Saturday . Has anyone watched there game tonight ? Was wondering if they play a long ball game or more passing game under new manager?

[Sir David Gray]

Expecting tough game Saturday . Motherwell have been similar to us lately plenty of shots but not enough on target or not enough converted . Game they had against hearts prime example they had 25 shots with 5 on target to hearts 10/6 yet hearts ran out 3 nil winners .Hopefully Lee Johnson has Hibs right up for this and we finally click up front on Saturday . Motherwell certainly have tonight 5 goals from 11 shots with 6 on target .pretty clinical. Expecting plenty of goals Saturday . Has anyone watched there game tonight ? Was wondering if they play a long ball game or more passing game under new manager?

My app suggests that Ross County had 339 total passes to Motherwell's 324 and Ross County had 220 completed passes to Motherwell's 208.

That would give Ross County a pass completion rate of 65% and Motherwell 64%.

Ross County also had 48 dangerous attacks tonight to Motherwell's 34.

[Donegal Hibby]

My app suggests that Ross County had 339 total passes to Motherwell's 324 and Ross County had 220 completed passes to Motherwell's 208.

That would give Ross County a pass completion rate of 65% and Motherwell 64%.

Ross County also had 48 dangerous attacks tonight to Motherwell's 34.
Interesting details specially last part. When we played them Ross county had 262 total passes to our 404 with a 59% completion rate for Ross county and a 75% for us. We had 61% possession while Motherwell only had 48% tonight . Shots / on target .. Ross county 9/1 .Motherwell 11/6 ... Ross county 9/2 .Hibs 24/9... Think Motherwell probably a long ball team which would make sense with van veen is it up front.

[Donegal Hibby]

When Lee Johnson was appointed I'm sure he said he wasn't possession driven maybe 52% or 54% he said I think ? Which has surprised me a bit. So far this season only once out of our 8 games has a team had more possession and some we have been in total control of . 69% ,. 57%. ,. 65%. ,45% , 70%,. 57% ,. 65%,. 61%. .not complaining though. :greengrin

[Bobby's Cinema]

When Lee Johnson was appointed I'm sure he said he wasn't possession driven maybe 52% or 54% he said I think ? Which has surprised me a bit. So far this season only once out of our 8 games has a team had more possession and some we have been in total control of . 69% ,. 57%. ,. 65%. ,45% , 70%,. 57% ,. 65%,. 61%. .not complaining though. :greengrin
And we seem to be doing it with a style that's not boring everyone to tears too. We are shaping up very nicely all of a sudden.
Fantastic opportunity on Saturday to sit 3rd.

[Donegal Hibby]

And we seem to be doing it with a style that's not boring everyone to tears too. We are shaping up very nicely all of a sudden.
Fantastic opportunity on Saturday to sit 3rd.
We are playing well and what I really like is that we are creating chances and flooding men into the box which has its own risks at the other end of the park mind . Saturday will be far from easy though .

[JimBHibees]

Expecting tough game Saturday . Motherwell have been similar to us lately plenty of shots but not enough on target or not enough converted . Game they had against hearts prime example they had 25 shots with 5 on target to hearts 10/6 yet hearts ran out 3 nil winners .Hopefully Lee Johnson has Hibs right up for this and we finally click up front on Saturday . Motherwell certainly have tonight 5 goals from 11 shots with 6 on target .pretty clinical. Expecting plenty of goals Saturday . Has anyone watched there game tonight ? Was wondering if they play a long ball game or more passing game under new manager?

Saw two of their goal which were breakaways with a bit of pace. The guy Efford featured prominently strong and quick linking up with Van Veen. Should be a cracking game Saturday. Stevie Hammell has done very well in a short time there. Ross county looked very poor it had to be said.

[jacomo]

I was looking up on LJ . He seemed to have been harshly treated at his previous club Sunderland imo. Was sacked after a 6 nil hammering by Bolton which is a extremely bad result though if you look at the bigger picture he had managed them 78 games 40 wins 20. Draws 18 defeats .with a win percentage of 51.3 . They were sitting 3rd in league , two points of top team rotherham when he was sacked . Think it was harsh myself though Sunderland's loss is Hibs gain hopefully :wink:


He developed a reputation in England as a streaky manager - his teams would be in a good run of form and then have a string of poor results.

This perception may be unfair but I do hope our bampots don’t lose their heads if we go on a bad run.

[Hibernian Verse]

He developed a reputation in England as a streaky manager - his teams would be in a good run of form and then have a string of poor results.

This perception may be unfair but I do hope our bampots don’t lose their heads if we go on a bad run.

We will go on a bad run as we are Hibs not Man City.

[Hibbyradge]

We will go on a bad run as we are Hibs not Man City.

Indeed.

And the bampots will lose their heads.

[CapitalGreen]

When Lee Johnson was appointed I'm sure he said he wasn't possession driven maybe 52% or 54% he said I think ? Which has surprised me a bit. So far this season only once out of our 8 games has a team had more possession and some we have been in total control of . 69% ,. 57%. ,. 65%. ,45% , 70%,. 57% ,. 65%,. 61%. .not complaining though. :greengrin

We dominated possession in most games last season too but it was predominantly us passing it around in our own half not creating anything. The difference this season is the areas of the pitch where we have possession. As you can see from the below, we have significantly increased our possession numbers in the opposition final third.

21/22
26210

22/23
26211

[Since452]

We will go on a bad run as we are Hibs not Man City.

Exactly and we all know that. At least i think we do! I hope that when the inevitable bad run comes we can all still get behind the manager and his team. As long as we're still trying to do the right things on the park and we can see it then i'm sure we will.

[Donegal Hibby]

He developed a reputation in England as a streaky manager - his teams would be in a good run of form and then have a string of poor results.

This perception may be unfair but I do hope our bampots don’t lose their heads if we go on a bad run.
Yes he had that name given to him in England' streaky Johnson ' for the reason you said.The Livingston game was a prime example ,yes we were bad in first half but second half we battered them and were very unlucky not to take something from the game imo but the reaction on here afterwards was totally bonkers .It seems only to take one game before the it's Lee Johnson's fault , Ian Gordan hasn't recruited well etc etc . Easy backing the team when we are going well just hope everyone backs them when we hit a bad patch ,which we will ,all teams do, that's being a proper Hibs supporter imo :aok:

[Donegal Hibby]

Saw two of their goal which were breakaways with a bit of pace. The guy Efford featured prominently strong and quick linking up with Van Veen. Should be a cracking game Saturday. Stevie Hammell has done very well in a short time there. Ross county looked very poor it had to be said.
Seem to remember last year that guy van veen was a handful up front too . Think it will be a cracking game too .And your right Stevie Hammell has done very well . It wil be a harder game for us than some think but hopefully we have enough quality to win it

[Keith_M]

Saw two of their goal which were breakaways with a bit of pace. The guy Efford featured prominently strong and quick linking up with Van Veen. Should be a cracking game Saturday. Stevie Hammell has done very well in a short time there. Ross county looked very poor it had to be said.


I think we'll win 4-3.

[Hibernian Verse]

We dominated possession in most games last season too but it was predominantly us passing it around in our own half not creating anything. The difference this season is the areas of the pitch where we have possession. As you can see from the below, we have significantly increased our possession numbers in the opposition final third.

21/22
26210

22/23
26211

Hearts in 11th. I sincerely hope that continues.

[basehibby]

Indeed.

And the bampots will lose their heads.

This for sure - more than night follows day. There already was a collective meltdown after the LC exit - although in fairness that was a big disappointment, there were quite a few bampots demanding the head of LJ, new players, manager and system bedamned!

[Paulie Walnuts]

This for sure - more than night follows day. There already was a collective meltdown after the LC exit - although in fairness that was a big disappointment, there were quite a few bampots demanding the head of LJ, new players, manager and system bedamned!

There wasn’t.

If you can find posts with quite a few folk demanding LJs head I’d love to see them.

[Lago]

My app suggests that Ross County had 339 total passes to Motherwell's 324 and Ross County had 220 completed passes to Motherwell's 208.

That would give Ross County a pass completion rate of 65% and Motherwell 64%.

Ross County also had 48 dangerous attacks tonight to Motherwell's 34.
Doesn't mean anything, they lost.

[Hibernian Verse]

Looking back at the Falkirk game I think the recruitment team have done well to change the squad beyond (my) expectations.

Dabrowski

Miller
Bushiri
McClelland
Stevenson

JDH
Newell
Campbell

McGeady
Doidge
Hauge

Of that starting line up, only 2 started on Saturday. Porteous, Marshall, Kenneh & Cadden were on the bench but no sign of Cabraja, McKirdy, Youan, Boyle or Fish. I've probably missed someone too.

[jacomo]

There wasn’t.

If you can find posts with quite a few folk demanding LJs head I’d love to see them.


You wrote this on 28 August on this very thread:


So far he’s shown nothing to suggest he’s a good appointment. If anything, he’s proven himself as a poor appointment so far.


Bampot :greengrin

[HoboHarry]

You wrote this on 28 August on this very thread:




Bampot :greengrin
Think he might owe Porto an apology as well..... (from page 2 of this thread)

"The experienced players are massively letting us down. Doidge, McGeady, Newell and Porteous were atrocious last night and Cadden wasn’t really any better although he was played out of position. Plenty people called it before the game that he shouldn’t be playing there.

None of the 4 above have shown anything to suggest that we can count on them. If that’s our experienced players to help the raft of young players we have along then we’re in real bother."

.... whoopsie......:greengrin

[patlowe]

We dominated possession in most games last season too but it was predominantly us passing it around in our own half not creating anything. The difference this season is the areas of the pitch where we have possession. As you can see from the below, we have significantly increased our possession numbers in the opposition final third.

21/22
26210

22/23
26211

This should be what pundits are discussing with Hibs, ie clear improvement across a whole range of metrics compared with last season, but no that would be far too much work. They've got their narratives and they're sticking to them. Think we are going to prove a lot of people wrong this season.

[hibsbollah]

You wrote this on 28 August on this very thread:




Bampot :greengrin

That was the day after the St Mirren debacle. An atrocious performance and LJ was getting it from all angles. Fast forward five weeks and everythings rosy.
Its a funny old game.

[Paulie Walnuts]

You wrote this on 28 August on this very thread:




Bampot :greengrin

I did.

What part of that calls for his head as was suggested though? I simply said at that point in time he had done nothing to show he was a good appointment, which given the results and performances I think would be hard to argue with.

There never has been quite a few people calling for Lee Johnson’s head. It’s fabricated nonsense.

Criticism of him and the team for deservedly not getting out of a piss easy League Cup group doesn’t equate to calling for his head, much like people saying we’ve improved doesn’t equate to folk saying we’re potential title contenders.

It’s funnily enough usually the people who bang on about posters over reacting and being drama queens that come out with such dramatic, over the top, baseless statements. (Not aimed at you btw).

[Paulie Walnuts]

Think he might owe Porto an apology as well..... (from page 2 of this thread)

"The experienced players are massively letting us down. Doidge, McGeady, Newell and Porteous were atrocious last night and Cadden wasn’t really any better although he was played out of position. Plenty people called it before the game that he shouldn’t be playing there.

None of the 4 above have shown anything to suggest that we can count on them. If that’s our experienced players to help the raft of young players we have along then we’re in real bother."

.... whoopsie......:greengrin

Out of those 4, one has left, the other has hardly played due to injury anlthoygh when he has he’s been poor and Newell and Porteous have done fairly well since. At that point in time though Porteous was absolutely terrible coming off the back of a season where his discipline impacted us in about 12 different matches and Newell was also performing poorly coming off the back of a season where he also performed poorly.

An improvement in their performances after then doesn’t make it any less valid a point at the time. If Newell and Porteous carry on as they have in recent weeks then they’ll be good players for us. If they go back to Newell and Porteous of last season and this pre season then they won’t be.

[Donegal Hibby]

This should be what pundits are discussing with Hibs, ie clear improvement across a whole range of metrics compared with last season, but no that would be far too much work. They've got their narratives and they're sticking to them. Think we are going to prove a lot of people wrong this season.
If the pundits were even half decent at there jobs they should be discussing this about Hibs .The stats are very good and interesting too yet certain pundits want to slaver on about identity and generally talk a load of old p**h .
Definitely have more possession in final third due to the fact we are now getting 5 or 6 players into box or on edge of it .last year how many times did we wipe a decent cross into opposition's box only to see one green shirt in there or none at all.Massive difference in Hibs this year and pundits should have had analyzed this so it could be discussed .

[Since452]

I did.

What part of that calls for his head as was suggested though?

There never has been quite a few people calling for Lee Johnson’s head. It’s fabricated nonsense.

Criticism of him and the team for not getting out of a piss easy League Cup group doesn’t equate to calling for his head, much like people saying we’ve improved doesn’t equate to folk saying we’re potential title contenders.

It’s funnily enough always the people who bang on about posters over reacting and being drama queens that come out with such statements. (Not necessarily you btw).

To be fair there were a few after Falkirk and Morton saying he was another English manager underestimating the Scottish game which was a load of pish. Can't remember anyone actually calling for his head though. At least we wont have to bother about it next season with being in Europe :wink:

[Paulie Walnuts]

To be fair there were a few after Falkirk and Morton saying he was another English manager underestimating the Scottish game which was a load of pish. Can't remember anyone actually calling for his head though. At least we wont have to bother about it next season with being in Europe :wink:

I don’t think it was necessarily pish. Going to Falkirk and playing a weak team did show a lack of knowledge of Scottish football at best or underestimating the level they were going to be at. It made no sense to use that game to play a weak side yet playing a full strength side against Bonnyrigg and a lot of folk were concerned before the game even kicked off after seeing the team.

That’s not to say he should have been sacked for it, of course he shouldn’t have, but I don’t think it’s complete pish to suggest he underestimated them. I wouldn’t be surprised if Johnson acknowledged himself if you asked him now that he maybe did underestimate how good they’d be.

It’s been and gone now though so no point in dwelling on it and fingers crossed for Europe :agree:

[Donegal Hibby]

That was the day after the St Mirren debacle. An atrocious performance and LJ was getting it from all angles. Fast forward five weeks and everythings rosy.
Its a funny old game.
Could change back again in a blink of the eye .A few on here like the weather ' All sunny and bright one day and All dark and gloomy the next :greengrin

[Torto7]

With big Myk teams aren't going to be able to sit in as much against us and LJ has obviously been telling the defenders to make runs beyond the defensive line. Porto has split Aberdeen and County wide open doing that. We are getting a lot of overloads down the flanks. I'm really encouraged by his style of play so far, long may it continue.

[jacomo]

I did.

What part of that calls for his head as was suggested though? I simply said at that point in time he had done nothing to show he was a good appointment, which given the results and performances I think would be hard to argue with.

There never has been quite a few people calling for Lee Johnson’s head. It’s fabricated nonsense.

Criticism of him and the team for deservedly not getting out of a piss easy League Cup group doesn’t equate to calling for his head, much like people saying we’ve improved doesn’t equate to folk saying we’re potential title contenders.

It’s funnily enough usually the people who bang on about posters over reacting and being drama queens that come out with such dramatic, over the top, baseless statements. (Not aimed at you btw).


Just the first two words would have done the job here.

:wink:

[green day]

We dominated possession in most games last season too but it was predominantly us passing it around in our own half not creating anything. The difference this season is the areas of the pitch where we have possession. As you can see from the below, we have significantly increased our possession numbers in the opposition final third.

21/22
26210

22/23
26211

I saw some OPTA stats that show we are the fastest attacking team in the Pemiership.

We also have more touches in areas all over the pitch of any team outside Rangers and Celtic, and also have the third highest shots.

I suspect that the big thing that is on LJ mind just now is converting domination to goals.

Motherwelll had 6 shots on target last night and scored with 5 of them.

Thats obviously a bit of a freak, but if we can up our rate, we should be getting to some high scoring wins.

[Since452]

I'm quite excited for the future under LJ. It takes time for a new management team to come in and create the culture they want, get the right players in that suit that culture etc and get the fans onboard. I think we'll have a decent if inconsistent season this season then become much stronger into next season and beyond. A European place would be huge and would probably encourage Ron to invest further in the team and bring in more quality. Things off the park are lookig rosey with all the partnerships etc. Our turnover is going up and up. We just need to match it on the park and the early signs are good. I think the club is in a pretty good place right now.

[basehibby]

We dominated possession in most games last season too but it was predominantly us passing it around in our own half not creating anything. The difference this season is the areas of the pitch where we have possession. As you can see from the below, we have significantly increased our possession numbers in the opposition final third.

21/22
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22/23
26211


What website do you get those stats from? Looks cool in an uber statto kind of way

[Donegal Hibby]

With big Myk teams aren't going to be able to sit in as much against us and LJ has obviously been telling the defenders to make runs beyond the defensive line. Porto has split Aberdeen and County wide open doing that. We are getting a lot of overloads down the flanks. I'm really encouraged by his style of play so far, long may it continue.
Maybe your right though I thought the opposite from you that teams are going to sit in wither Kukharevych plays or not cause we are so attacking and get 4 , 5 or 6 men into final third it will leave us exposed at the back at times and teams will sit in deep and try to counter attack us . Its something I think we need to be careful of this saturday.

[CapitalGreen]

What website do you get those stats from? Looks cool in an uber statto kind of way

https://www.whoscored.com/Regions/253/Tournaments/20/Seasons/9125/Stages/21031/TeamStatistics/Scotland-Premiership-2022-2023

[Donegal Hibby]

Interesting article in the scotsman about Lee Johnson talking about our squad it's titled " You do the maths "

[007]

Interesting article in the scotsman about Lee Johnson talking about our squad it's titled " You do the maths "

He's right. Our squad is slightly bloated now we've got a few players coming back from injury. That said, we've got 8 games in 36 days so it's likely we'll need the extra options. Then it's the World Cup followed by 3 games before the January window and a chance to trim down the squad a little.

At the moment we have a squad better suited to Hearts' current schedule than their's is.

[Donegal Hibby]

He's right. Our squad is slightly bloated now we've got a few players coming back from injury. That said, we've got 8 games in 36 days so it's likely we'll need the extra options. Then it's the World Cup followed by 3 games before the January window and a chance to trim down the squad a little.

At the moment we have a squad better suited to Hearts' current schedule than their's is.
You make a good point mate about 8 games in 36 days concerning our squad .LJ talking about quality over quantity in report . He has stated in the past he needs 2 to 3 transfer windows to get squad right . What has got my curiosity going on this matter is who's going? Another article in EEN were Lee Johnson says they are already using VAR so they can keep one step ahead for when it does come in.

[Donegal Hibby]

Robbie Neilsons getting it tight on there forum today .thought I'd check Robbie's team out compared to Lee Johnson's .Not including hearts euro games of shots / shots on 4/2::: 13/9::: 4/2
Hearts shots /shots::::::::: on Hibs shots/shots on
::::::: 94/ 35::::::. :::::::: 151/ 40 ::::::::::
Hearts have only once this season hit over 20 shots in a game yet Hibs have done this 4 times out of our 8 games .Problem with us is we aren't taken enough chances we are creating. Hopefully we start on Saturday. :wink:

[Since452]

He's right. Our squad is slightly bloated now we've got a few players coming back from injury. That said, we've got 8 games in 36 days so it's likely we'll need the extra options. Then it's the World Cup followed by 3 games before the January window and a chance to trim down the squad a little.

At the moment we have a squad better suited to Hearts' current schedule than their's is.

I actually don't mind that. It is a little bit bloated but we were stung so badly by injuries last season that it's nice knowing we have players that can step in if the same happens this season. It will be trimmed in due course unless we get a European place.

[Not In The Know]

https://www.whoscored.com/Regions/253/Tournaments/20/Seasons/9125/Stages/21031/TeamStatistics/Scotland-Premiership-2022-2023

Thats quite cool and TBH im not to sure what to make of them. But for most good things Celtic/Rangers are top, and us and Aberdeen are next. Jumbos are mid table mediocrity as per.

[Donegal Hibby]

Read article there titled ' why Lee Johnson has had to ' nail ' Paul Hanlon and Harry Mckirdy .it's in EEN

[basehibby]

https://www.whoscored.com/Regions/253/Tournaments/20/Seasons/9125/Stages/21031/TeamStatistics/Scotland-Premiership-2022-2023

Thanks bud :thumbsup:

[wookie70]

https://www.whoscored.com/Regions/253/Tournaments/20/Seasons/9125/Stages/21031/TeamStatistics/Scotland-Premiership-2022-2023

Really interesting. The stats on where our shots are taken from must frustrate LJ. Barring Celtic we have more shots than anyone from inside the box but we are needing around 14 shots to score a goal. I think the boss is right and someone will get a hiding from us. Nisbet could yet have a very good season too as he is the type of player who is very good when getting chances

[hibees 7062]

Read article there titled ' why Lee Johnson has had to ' nail ' Paul Hanlon and Harry Mckirdy .it's in EEN

Thanks for that . A manager that cares eh .

[Donegal Hibby]

Thanks for that . A manager that cares eh .
No probs . He does seem to be a manager that cares alright .

[Donegal Hibby]

Thanks for that . A manager that cares eh .
Another good article in Scotsman and EEN about Kyle Mcgennis and Lee johnson

[Trinity Hibee]

You wrote this on 28 August on this very thread:




Bampot :greengrin

A completely fair assessment at the time. The LC campaign was an utter embarrassment. Thankfully things have improved quite a bit

[WhileTheChief..]

A completely fair assessment at the time. The LC campaign was an utter embarrassment. Thankfully things have improved quite a bit

Yup, agreed 100%.

The poster was bang on back then. Weird that folk want to pull him up now to try and somehow suggest he was wrong.

Problem is, everyone is kinda happy with the football and results just now so the uber fan types have nobody to fight with!!

[Nicho87]

With potential out goings for the bloated squad

You maybe look at one or two like

Jair - loan
Bojang - end loan
Doidge - sell permanently
Couple of the younger players out on loan

Trouble is I do think this is the strongest squad we’ve had in a number of years, when we came third under Ross, we had a solid 13/14 players but after that we were light.

Players like lewis miller can’t be happy and bound to know whilst cadden is playing well he’s going to struggle to break in.

Another potential loan out

I’m not wanting these players to leave unless they want to but the squad size when you right them all down, we are too heavy.

Nisbet coming back into mix from Jan also.

[Gordy M]

Yup, agreed 100%.

The poster was bang on back then. Weird that folk want to pull him up now to try and somehow suggest he was wrong.

Problem is, everyone is kinda happy with the football and results just now so the uber fan types have nobody to fight with!!

The problem is, the folk who were vehement in their critisism very rarely come on here and say, yep i got that wrong, we are playing well at the moment.....but you can guarantee after a few bad displays they will be back on here critisizing again......absoutely no one on here minds contructive critisizm.....one sided doom mongering, yep folk are going to pull that up....imo.

[Paulie Walnuts]

The problem is, the folk who were vehement in their critisism very rarely come on here and say, yep i got that wrong, we are playing well at the moment.....but you can guarantee after a few bad displays they will be back on here critisizing again......absoutely no one on here minds contructive critisizm.....one sided doom mongering, yep folk are going to pull that up....imo.

Again though, that’s not really true, much like the claim there was quite a few people calling for Lee Johnson’s head when there wasn’t.

I’ve said numerous times since then about us playing well. I’ve said numerous times since I said Porteous wasn’t playing well that he played well. It’s not a rarity at all for people to come on here and acknowledge when something they’ve been critical of has improved. “One sided doom mongering” is a lazy statement thrown out there with absolutely no basis which is blatantly untrue if you look through my posts.

You say nobody on here minds constructive criticism yet the simple suggestion we’d got off to a poor start (which is pretty undeniable imo) is being described as one sided doom mongering and other people are bizarrely holding it up as an example of wanting the manager sacked. That doesn’t really scream people who don’t mind constructive criticism, it more points to people who don’t want to read criticism to the extent they’re simply making things up to try and make a simple point of a poor start to the season seem completely blown out of proportion.

People on here call it as they see it, it really is that simple. As much as some people like to pretend there is, there’s not some concerted effort from posters to drag Hibs down. If there’s criticism of something Hibs, it’s simply because someone feels the criticism is justified, not some sinister ‘doom mongering’ plot.

[Since452]

The problem is, the folk who were vehement in their critisism very rarely come on here and say, yep i got that wrong, we are playing well at the moment.....but you can guarantee after a few bad displays they will be back on here critisizing again......absoutely no one on here minds contructive critisizm.....one sided doom mongering, yep folk are going to pull that up....imo.

A few haven't been seen since St Mirren. Where is the poster who was constantly going on about Ron's son? Couldn't even call him by his name.

[Gordy M]

Again though, that’s more hyperbolic nonsense, much like the claim there was quite a few people calling for Lee Johnson’s head when there wasn’t.

I’ve said numerous times since then about us playing well. I’ve said numerous times since I said Porteous wasn’t playing well that he played well. It’s not a rarity at all for people to come on here and acknowledge when something they’ve been critical of has improved. “One sided doom mongering” is a lazy statement thrown out there with absolutely no basis which is blatantly untrue if you look through my posts.

You say nobody on here minds constructive criticism yet the simple suggestion we’d got off to a poor start (which is pretty undeniable imo) is being described as one sided doom mongering and other people are bizarrely holding it up as an example of wanting the manager sacked. That doesn’t really scream people who don’t mind constructive criticism, it more points to people who don’t want to read criticism.

People on here call it as they see it, it really is that simple. As much as some people like to pretend there is, there’s not some concerted effort from posters to drag Hibs down. If there’s criticism of something Hibs, it’s simply because someone feels the criticism is justified, not some sinister ‘doom mongering’ plot.

What a lot of back tracking nonsense. You and various other posters on here were right on the new manager after a few games. You clearly werent happy with the appointment and went for it from the beginning. No time for him to settle in and give him time, like others were suggesting. Posters might not have openly stated they wanted LJ the sack but thats exactly what some were hinting at.....its the usual on here, ah i never "actually" said it, when most can see thats exactly what you were getting at. Call it "hyperbolic nonesense" all you want but some folk were definitely suggesting it, including one quote i remember " this clown can gtf"

[Paulie Walnuts]

What a lot of back tracking nonsense. You and various other posters on here were right on the new manager after a few games. You clearly werent happy with the appointment and went for it from the beginning. No time for him to settle in and give him time, like others were suggesting. Posters might not have openly stated they wanted LJ the sack but thats exactly what some were hinting at.....its the usual on here, ah i never "actually" said it, when most can see thats exactly what you were getting at. Call it "hyperbolic nonesense" all you want but some folk were definitely suggesting it, including one quote i remember " this clown can gtf"

Aye, that’s exactly what I was getting at. A poor start = sack him.

Could the disaster of a league cup campaign be the reason he was getting criticised after a few games? We were abysmal against lower league opposition and got knocked out one of the only competitions we could win. Of course he was going to be criticised. The Hibs manager should never get a free pass to get knocked out a cup in the manner we did.

People are pretty black and white in their opinions on here and will post them pretty clearly yet on this particular topic you seem to think there was a lot of ‘hinting’ and ‘suggesting’ simply because that backs up your baseless idea that numerous people were wanting him sacked.

Again, your post claims you don’t mind criticism yet you’ve managed to create this idea in your head that all criticism from posters of us for not getting out that League Cup group into people wanting the manager sacked. :faf: it seems much more like you can’t compute the criticism and you’ve managed to blow it out of all proportion.

If people wanted him sacked, they’d have said it like they do every other time they want a manager sacked, not hinted at it or suggested it.

[OldEast]

Aye, that’s exactly what I was getting at. A poor start = sack him.

People are pretty black and white in their opinions on here and will post them pretty clearly yet on this particular topic you seem to think there was a lot of ‘hinting’ and ‘suggesting’ simply because that backs up your baseless idea that numerous people were wanting him sacked.

Again, your post claims you don’t mind criticism yet you’ve managed to create this idea in your head that all criticism from posters of us for not getting out that League Cup group into people wanting the manager sacked. :faf: it seems much more like you can’t compute the criticism and you’ve managed to blow it out of all proportion.

If people wanted him sacked, they’d have said it like they do every other time they want a manager sacked, not hinted at it or suggested it.

Excellent post. If only people would read and accept what's written and not what they imagine is meant, the internet would be a far nicer and less judgemental place.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Excellent post. If only people would read and accept what's written and not what they imagine is meant, the internet would be a far nicer and less judgemental place.

People wanted Maloney sacked after a handful of games. There was posters saying they want him to go. No hinting, no suggesting, just point blank saying they wanted him gone. Likewise when JR got sacked. If people wanted LJ gone, it would have been the exact same, not some smoke and mirrors pish with suggestions, hints, nudges and winks disguised as posts with no reference to him getting sacked.

[Silky]

Aberdeen have recruited well, so they will be streets ahead of us this season as they are looking strong.

The lad Ramadani in centre mid who they got, is someone we should’ve been all over. Looks exactly like what we are missing in the middle.

That aged well! I would suggest that "streets ahead" is complete nonsense.

[Gordy M]

People wanted Maloney sacked after a handful of games. There was posters saying they want him to go. No hinting, no suggesting, just point blank saying they wanted him gone. If people wanted LJ gone, it would have been the exact same, not some smoke and mirrors pish with suggestions, hints, nudges and winks disguised as posts with no reference to him getting sacked.

I can’t imagine ever coming on here, wanting the manager sacked and to try and get my point across that I want him sacked writing something as tame as “he’s been a poor appointment so far.” :faf: I’d write I wanted him sacked ffs.

You posted that we were in danger of relegation, that Hearts and Aberdeen would be way above us, the signings of the players in the summer were terrible the midfield couldnt work, that Ron and his son were responsible for quote "the rot setting in at our club" and that was a 2min quick look at your posts .......all things that would mean LJ getting the sack....so again thats exactly what you were getting at.

[Fergus52]

You say nobody on here minds constructive criticism yet the simple suggestion we’d got off to a poor start (which is pretty undeniable imo) is being described as one sided doom mongering and other people are bizarrely holding it up as an example of wanting the manager sacked. That doesn’t really scream people who don’t mind constructive criticism, it more points to people who don’t want to read criticism to the extent they’re simply making things up to try and make a simple point of a poor start to the season seem completely blown out of proportion.



I don't remember anyone explicitly calling for his head but there was plenty of one sided "doom mongering". I read a lot of absurd rants on here a few weeks ago that were proper pish the bed stuff.

Posters predicting how we'd get relegated, or would never finish top 6 if we kept playing Newell etc.

The few posters who advocated giving the manager time and thought that under performing players like Campbell, Newell, Hanlon etc. might start looking good again as they got used to the new system, were met with nonsense snidey remarks about accepting mediocrity and the like.

Think the small number of posters who thought we'd come good this season are due a minor told you so after our recent form (still a lot of the season to play though mind)

[Paulie Walnuts]

You posted that we were in danger of relegation, that Hearts and Aberdeen would be way above us, the signings of the players in the summer were terrible the midfield couldnt work, that Ron and his son were responsible for quote "the rot setting in at our club" and that was a 2min quick look at your posts .......all things that would mean LJ getting the sack....so again thats exactly what you were getting at.

Jesus Christ this is desperate. Now criticism of Ron and Ian Gordon means I wanted LJ sacked? :faf:

You seem almost disappointed that nobody wanted him sacked. You’ve found numerous posts with no mention of LJ getting sacked, most of them with no direct mention of LJ at all and yet it means I want LJ sacked? :faf:

Suck it up son, nobody wanted him sacked despite how much you want to imagine they did. If they did, they’d have said it, same as football fans have always done.

[Gordy M]

Jesus Christ this is desperate. Now criticism of Ron and Ian Gordon means I wanted LJ sacked? :faf:

You seem almost disappointed that nobody wanted him sacked. Suck it up son, nobody wanted him sacked despite how much you want to imagine they did. If they did, they’d have said it, same as football fans have always done.

Wtf are you talking about.....son?? Notice you didnt mention getting relegated and way behing Aberdeen and Hearts? Or has that changed now? As i said back tracking nonesense.......just admit you got stuff wrong? Thats not too hard is it, after all we all want Hibs to do well......right?

[Hibbyradge]

Again though, that’s not really true

It is true.

There are posters who are never/rarely seen when Hibs do well but, if we lose or perform badly, they're on every possible thread spreading their malaise. I don't include you in that, but we're not supposed to talk badly about posters so I can't be more specific.

Also, while I can't remember if there were any posts specifically calling for LJ to be sacked, there were plenty writing him off and criticising the owner and management team for recruiting him.

You don't need a PhD in reading between the lines to understand what they ultimately mean.

[Fergus52]

Jesus Christ this is desperate. Now criticism of Ron and Ian Gordon means I wanted LJ sacked? :faf:

You seem almost disappointed that nobody wanted him sacked. Suck it up son, nobody wanted him sacked despite how much you want to imagine they did. If they did, they’d have said it, same as football fans have always done.

You said nobody was doom mongering, who cares about the semantics of whether or not you wanted Johnson sacked, those statements of yours he paraphrased are pretty ridiculous.

And anyone who disagreed at the time was ridiculed.

How can you say that's not "one sided doom mongering"?

[Paulie Walnuts]

Wtf are you talking about.....son?? Notice you didnt mention getting relegated and way behing Aberdeen and Hearts? Or has that changed now? As i said back tracking nonesense.......just admit you got stuff wrong? Thats not too hard is it, after all we all want Hibs to do well......right?

I said numerous times over the summer that with our recruitment LJ was being hung out to dry. If anything that’s doing the opposite of calling for LJs head, it’s pretty much making excuses for him. I’ve said numerous times since that we’ve looked good, so yes, I was wrong in terms of the recruitment. I’ve never called for LJs head though so I’m not quite sure why you’re expecting me to admit I was wrong in that regard.

[Paulie Walnuts]

You said nobody was doom mongering, who cares about the semantics of whether or not you wanted Johnson sacked, those statements of yours he paraphrased are pretty ridiculous.

And anyone who disagreed at the time was ridiculed.

How can you say that's not "one sided doom mongering"?

Those statements also don’t mention LJ once so are absolutely irrelevant to the idea I wanted LJ sacked. Without going back and looking through them, most of them were likely off the back of my criticism of the recruitment team and not even related to LJ.

My criticism over the summer was aimed at the recruitment, Ron and Ian. On numerous occasions I posted I actually felt sorry for LJ and didn’t feel he was being given the tools to do his job. It’s absolutely laughable to suggest I wanted him sacked.

I posted numerous times that Ian Gordon shouldn’t be in his role so I’m not shy in getting to the point, yet I apparently decided to go down the route of hints and suggestions when it comes to LJ rather than just say I wanted him sacked as well? Laughable.

As for it being semantics, imaginary people wanting LJ sacked is what the whole discussion is about so I’m not quite sure that point can ever be described as semantics.

[basehibby]

With potential out goings for the bloated squad

You maybe look at one or two like

Jair - loan
Bojang - end loan
Doidge - sell permanently
Couple of the younger players out on loan

Trouble is I do think this is the strongest squad we’ve had in a number of years, when we came third under Ross, we had a solid 13/14 players but after that we were light.

Players like lewis miller can’t be happy and bound to know whilst cadden is playing well he’s going to struggle to break in.

Another potential loan out

I’m not wanting these players to leave unless they want to but the squad size when you right them all down, we are too heavy.

Nisbet coming back into mix from Jan also.


We maybe have a slight excess of winger type players but I disagree that we are heavy in other areas.

Most positions we basically have:
- A current first pick who is there on form (eg Cadden)
- A quality player who can readily step into their shoes (eg Miller)
- Possibly a development player looking to break into the squad or building up experience on loan.

We do NOT want to be in a situation where we are one injury or suspension away from a crisis and that's why we have a squad with depth. The likes of Miller will most pobably get a chance to shine at some point when injury, suspension or loss of form bite. When that chance comes it will be up to players like Miller to be ready and grab it with both hands.

[Iain G]

We maybe have a slight excess of winger type players but I disagree that we are heavy in other areas.

Most positions we basically have:
- A current first pick who is there on form (eg Cadden)
- A quality player who can readily step into their shoes (eg Miller)
- Possibly a development player looking to break into the squad or building up experience on loan.

We do NOT want to be in a situation where we are one injury or suspension away from a crisis and that's why we have a squad with depth. The likes of Miller will most pobably get a chance to shine at some point when injury, suspension or loss of form bite. When that chance comes it will be up to players like Miller to be ready and grab it with both hands.

McGeady will be here for a year tops I would think so he will be one of those on the way out

[Northernhibee]

I've said on the private board, but I don't actually think we've got that great a squad. It lacks depth and variety despite being quite large, but what I do like is that Lee is getting the very most out of it. Newell looks brilliant again, Campbell looks ten times the player he was, and a number of other players are looking as if they're stepping up.

That's the sign of a good manager and in time I think we'll see the dividends of LJ's coaching.

[Paulie Walnuts]

It is true.

There are posters who are never/rarely seen when Hibs do well but, if we lose or perform badly, they're on every possible thread spreading their malaise. I don't include you in that, but we're not supposed to talk badly about posters so I can't be more specific.

Also, while I can't remember if there were any posts specifically calling for LJ to be sacked, there were plenty writing him off and criticising the owner and management team for recruiting him.

You don't need a PhD in reading between the lines to understand what they ultimately mean.

I can’t say I can think of any regular posters who disappear when we do well. There’s numerous ‘negative’ posters I can think of who I’ve already read posts from this morning and to add to that, the posts were positive.

Imo you’re reading between the lines, adding 2+2 and getting 5. LJ wasn’t my first choice as manager when we appointed him, that doesn’t instantly mean that by reading between the lines I want him sacked.

[MWHIBBIES]

I've said on the private board, but I don't actually think we've got that great a squad. It lacks depth and variety despite being quite large, but what I do like is that Lee is getting the very most out of it. Newell looks brilliant again, Campbell looks ten times the player he was, and a number of other players are looking as if they're stepping up.

That's the sign of a good manager and in time I think we'll see the dividends of LJ's coaching.

We certainly don't lack options up front. Most depth we've had in forward areas in years.

[basehibby]

Again though, that’s not really true, much like the claim there was quite a few people calling for Lee Johnson’s head when there wasn’t.

I’ve said numerous times since then about us playing well. I’ve said numerous times since I said Porteous wasn’t playing well that he played well. It’s not a rarity at all for people to come on here and acknowledge when something they’ve been critical of has improved. “One sided doom mongering” is a lazy statement thrown out there with absolutely no basis which is blatantly untrue if you look through my posts.

You say nobody on here minds constructive criticism yet the simple suggestion we’d got off to a poor start (which is pretty undeniable imo) is being described as one sided doom mongering and other people are bizarrely holding it up as an example of wanting the manager sacked. That doesn’t really scream people who don’t mind constructive criticism, it more points to people who don’t want to read criticism to the extent they’re simply making things up to try and make a simple point of a poor start to the season seem completely blown out of proportion.

People on here call it as they see it, it really is that simple. As much as some people like to pretend there is, there’s not some concerted effort from posters to drag Hibs down. If there’s criticism of something Hibs, it’s simply because someone feels the criticism is justified, not some sinister ‘doom mongering’ plot.


I may have been the originator of this "claim" - I certainly posted something similar on here not that long ago. And you know what? I stand by it 100%.

There were plenty on here on the verge of full scale meltdown after every defeat we've had this season. Of course Johnson and the team are not beyond criticism - but many posters lost all objectivity and displayed all the patience of a Tory Chancelor dishing out tax cuts in their rush to write off Johnson, disparage the quality of recruitment and sling mud at the owners and the board. Even immediately after Johnson was appointed some were slinging toys out the pram and forcasting doom, and this was subsequently reflected by various trumpets in the media who must spend a lot of time reading fans' forums.

Fair enough this is an open forum where folk should be free to air their opinions. Equally though they should be willing to take it on the chin if & when they get it wrong and a bit of good natured banter is dished out pointing out how wrong they were.

[Hibbyradge]

I can’t say I can think of any regular posters who disappear when we do well. There’s numerous ‘negative’ posters I can think of who I’ve already read posts from this morning and they were also positive.

Imo you’re reading between the lines, adding 2+2 and getting 5. LJ wasn’t my first choice as manager when we appointed him, that doesn’t instantly mean that by reading between the lines I want him sacked.

I can think of those posters. There's a flurry of activity from them when we're poor, but very few/none when we win.

I have no idea what you posted but there were many people who indicated that they thought Johnson was a dud.

I also recall some folk thinking that the sky had fallen in when we appointed him.

But you've said that you don't remember them so here's where the story ends.

Although I suspect you'll need the last word.

[Since452]

It's nice to be talking about sequences of wins. Says it all really. Long may it continue.

[Pedantic_Hibee]

From needing to talk about Lee, I’m going to have to have a talk to myself as I’ve just wasted about ten minutes scrolling through tit for twat tittle. Put the petty point-scoring to the side and get back to discussing the merits of our portly wee dreamboat of a manager. Cheers.

[Fergus52]

I've said on the private board, but I don't actually think we've got that great a squad. It lacks depth and variety despite being quite large, but what I do like is that Lee is getting the very most out of it. Newell looks brilliant again, Campbell looks ten times the player he was, and a number of other players are looking as if they're stepping up.

That's the sign of a good manager and in time I think we'll see the dividends of LJ's coaching.

Where do you think we're short? There's definitely some room for improvement but we have decent backups all over the pitch now imo.

If we have everyone fit and assume that the XI from our last two games is our current strongest, then you could put out a backup XI of decent quality (on paper) in the same system:

Dabrowski
Miller rocky fish Stevenson
JDH
Magennis Henderson
Mckirdy nisbet mcgeady

Not including folk like Mitchell, bojang, tavares, melkerson.

Apart from maybe another option in centre mid and a backup CB more established than Fish, I think our squad overall is in a pretty good place. Not many sides outside the old firm have that sort of strength in depth in our league.

[Paulie Walnuts]

I can think of those posters. There's a flurry of activity from them when we're poor, but very few/none when we win.

I have no idea what you posted but there were many people who indicated that they thought Johnson was a dud.

I also recall some folk thinking that the sky had fallen in when we appointed him.

But you've said that you don't remember them so here's where the story ends.

Although I suspect you'll need the last word.

As someone else said, reading what’s actually posted rather than what you think someone might mean makes the forum a much better place.

Many people indicated they thought Johnson was a dud - that’s not calling for his head.

Saying we had a poor start - that’s not calling for his head

Saying he wasn’t who you wanted as manager - that’s not calling for his head

Saying the league cup was unacceptable - that’s not calling for his head

Yet here we are, with these types of posts being used as ‘evidence’, but you must read between lines or treat them as hinting or suggesting at something they’ve not mentioned for the evidence to stack up.

When people want the manager gone, they’ll say they want him gone, you won’t need to deal with hints, suggestions or reading between lines, much like you didn’t have to do that for the last 4 managers we sacked.

And you can have a snide dig about having the last word all you want (bizarre post when it’s only the second or third I’ve made to you) but the lack of self awareness on that front is astonishing.

[Donegal Hibby]

Lee Johnson is a very good manager and the Hibs boards done very well to get him also our recruitments been very good too .Boyle , Youan, Mckirdy etc etc .Think our clubs shown ambition and deserves some credit for once .LJ league cup wasn't good a bit of a disaster actually and in saying he was only in the door basically and needed time .He said as much himself. League campaigns going ok so far apart from St mirren game which we had a stinker in .The Livingston game we battered them in 2nd half and were unlucky not to take anything from it .Both games imo there was away OTT reaction to afterwards on here.Its there to be seen the attacking football LJ wants us to play and I for one am enjoying watching Hibs play football again , I know we will lose games and have bad days but try have patience .All this hysteria at times on here after a bad result with talk of LJ not good enough , Ron and Ian Gordans fault can be extremely boring and soul destroying .Our support is needed just as much maybe more when things aren't going as well as we want them too .GGTTH

[WhileTheChief..]

I can think of those posters. There's a flurry of activity from them when we're poor, but very few/none when we win.

I have no idea what you posted but there were many people who indicated that they thought Johnson was a dud.

I also recall some folk thinking that the sky had fallen in when we appointed him.

But you've said that you don't remember them so here's where the story ends.

Although I suspect you'll need the last word.

I was one of them. Thought it was one of the worst mistakes we'd made. :greengrin

As soon as he got the job though, i stopped bumping my gums and have been fully behind him.

With Maloney, I was calling for his head every day he was here until he finally left!

As for LJ now, he's grown on me a bit but I wouldn't lose any sleep if he left tomorrow. Nothing against him, I'm just not that fussed any more.

[Jones28]

I can think of those posters. There's a flurry of activity from them when we're poor, but very few/none when we win.

I have no idea what you posted but there were many people who indicated that they thought Johnson was a dud.

I also recall some folk thinking that the sky had fallen in when we appointed him.

But you've said that you don't remember them so here's where the story ends.

Although I suspect you'll need the last word.

There are definitely posters who will crawl out the woodwork when we have a poor result. The targets will be back on certain players - Campbell, Newall, Stevenson - and individuals like Iain Gordon.

[JohnM1875]

There are definitely posters who will crawl out the woodwork when we have a poor result. The targets will be back on certain players - Campbell, Newall, Stevenson - and individuals like Iain Gordon.

So what if there is though right? Quite a lot of posters bring this up, but some folk seem to use this board to come on and moan and have a vent. That's absolutely allowed and I don't think that makes them any less of a Hibs fan than you or I. Some folk just prefer a wee moan.

[HendoDelivered]

That aged well! I would suggest that "streets ahead" is complete nonsense.

Looks like I was wrong (so far) and happy to admit that. But they still do look half decent, scoring 4/5 at home 3 times.

[The Spaceman]

Today is a huge game for us - if we win it, the media and our rivals can no longer disrespect us and will have to take us very, very seriously in the race for 3rd. I’ve got a good feeling we will blow Motherwell away today.

[Northernhibee]

Where do you think we're short? There's definitely some room for improvement but we have decent backups all over the pitch now imo.

If we have everyone fit and assume that the XI from our last two games is our current strongest, then you could put out a backup XI of decent quality (on paper) in the same system:

Dabrowski
Miller rocky fish Stevenson
JDH
Magennis Henderson
Mckirdy nisbet mcgeady

Not including folk like Mitchell, bojang, tavares, melkerson.

Apart from maybe another option in centre mid and a backup CB more established than Fish, I think our squad overall is in a pretty good place. Not many sides outside the old firm have that sort of strength in depth in our league.

The issue is that I don’t think that Bojang, Melkersen, Tavares, Henderson, Miller, JDH, Mitchell, McGregor and maybe one or two others are what we need right now (some due to being too young and need to develop, some being at a stage where they shouldn’t be players we rely on for backup, some like Bojang and Melkersen just aren’t anywhere near the required standard) and the players we do have just don’t have quite enough variety for us to completely change our system if we ever need to.

The new striker Kuharevich does add something we didn’t have up front which is good, we have no idea if Fish is able backup but not being able to get a game in the Vanarama leagues isn’t a good sign.

The fact we’ve got a starting eleven and a handful of decent subs that are getting points comes down to a good manager and the sheer laws of probability as opposed to quality, precision recruitment.

[JohnM1875]

Looks like I was wrong (so far) and happy to admit that. But they still do look half decent, scoring 4/5 at home 3 times.

They've looked good whenever I've seen them as well, though not at ER cause we battered them. Think they'll be there or thereabouts for third.

Huge away numbers as well, much like us. Just goes to show that all fans really want to watch is good football, both teams seem to be offering that right now.

[Since452]

Lee Johnson is a very good manager and the Hibs boards done very well to get him also our recruitments been very good too .Boyle , Youan, Mckirdy etc etc .Think our clubs shown ambition and deserves some credit for once .LJ league cup wasn't good a bit of a disaster actually and in saying he was only in the door basically and needed time .He said as much himself. League campaigns going ok so far apart from St mirren game which we had a stinker in .The Livingston game we battered them in 2nd half and were unlucky not to take anything from it .Both games imo there was away OTT reaction to afterwards on here.Its there to be seen the attacking football LJ wants us to play and I for one am enjoying watching Hibs play football again , I know we will lose games and have bad days but try have patience .All this hysteria at times on here after a bad result with talk of LJ not good enough , Ron and Ian Gordans fault can be extremely boring and soul destroying .Our support is needed just as much maybe more when things aren't going as well as we want them too .GGTTH

I agree. I think it's been a very astute appointment. Ben and Ian put a lot of work into this one so fair play to them. Looking like a really good fit.

[Paulie Walnuts]

So what if there is though right? Quite a lot of posters bring this up, but some folk seem to use this board to come on and moan and have a vent. That's absolutely allowed and I don't think that makes them any less of a Hibs fan than you or I. Some folk just prefer a wee moan.

It’s also human nature to have a lot more to say when things aren’t going as expected and that goes for both ends of the spectrum.

Everyone in football wants to talk about Haaland just now because he’s been outrageously good. If he’d started the season scoring 5 in 10 there’d be a lot less chat about him.

Man Utd have been the talk of football for seasons now because they’ve been atrocious. There’d have been alot less chat about them had they been doing fairly well.

There’s an energy crisis thread on the holy ground because energy is currently a disaster, if it wasn’t, there wouldn’t be a thread as nobody would want to discuss it.

People want to discuss things when something isn’t going as expected. If things are plodding along just fine as they are right now at Hibs there’s a hell of a lot less to discuss. You’ll probably find that the posters having a go at others for posting a lot less when things go alright also post less at those points because there’s a lot less to discuss.

[worcesterhibby]

It’s also human nature to have a lot more to say when things aren’t going as expected and that goes for both ends of the spectrum.

Everyone in football wants to talk about Haaland just now because he’s been outrageously good. If he’d started the season scoring 5 in 10 there’d be a lot less chat about him.

Man Utd have been the talk of football for seasons now because they’ve been atrocious. There’d have been alot less chat about them had they been doing fairly well.

There’s an energy crisis thread on the holy ground because energy is currently a disaster, if it wasn’t, there wouldn’t be a thread as nobody would want to discuss it.

People want to discuss things when something isn’t going as expected. If things are plodding along just fine as they are right now at Hibs there’s a hell of a lot less to discuss. You’ll probably find that the posters having a go at others for posting a lot less when things go alright also post less at those points because there’s a lot less to discuss.

Yes but there is a difference between discussion and open hostility for your own club. Too many posters on here don't discuss the problem when we lose or go through a bad patch they just slate players and management with pathetic "not fit for the shirt" garbage or Ponzy scheme lies. Personally I think if we banned everyone who has used the word "shambles"to describe the team or club more than 3 times in the last year, this forum would be a lot better.

[tamig]

The issue is that I don’t think that Bojang, Melkersen, Tavares, Henderson, Miller, JDH, Mitchell, McGregor and maybe one or two others are what we need right now (some due to being too young and need to develop, some being at a stage where they shouldn’t be players we rely on for backup, some like Bojang and Melkersen just aren’t anywhere near the required standard) and the players we do have just don’t have quite enough variety for us to completely change our system if we ever need to.

The new striker Kuharevich does add something we didn’t have up front which is good, we have no idea if Fish is able backup but not being able to get a game in the Vanarama leagues isn’t a good sign.

The fact we’ve got a starting eleven and a handful of decent subs that are getting points comes down to a good manager and the sheer laws of probability as opposed to quality, precision recruitment.
Give us two or three injuries and we’d be struggling if some of those guys you’ve mentioned weren’t around to step in. Looks like you’re another Bojang basher despite the guy having hardly played but are you also writing off Melkersen - or is he one you are “prepared” to give a bit more time to?

[Northernhibee]

Give us two or three injuries and we’d be struggling if some of those guys you’ve mentioned weren’t around to step in. Looks like you’re another Bojang basher despite the guy having hardly played but are you also writing off Melkersen - or is he one you are “prepared” to give a bit more time to?
Melkersen has been here nearly a year and Motherwell in the cup aside he’s not shown much to suggest he’s got what it takes at this level.

To see that Bojang isn’t to the standard required just takes eyes.

I do think we’ll be struggling if we depend on Jair, Henderson, JDH, Miller etc. for ninety minutes week in, week out.

[Jones28]

So what if there is though right? Quite a lot of posters bring this up, but some folk seem to use this board to come on and moan and have a vent. That's absolutely allowed and I don't think that makes them any less of a Hibs fan than you or I. Some folk just prefer a wee moan.

It’s the predictability of it that annoys me. We could have one bad result and the usual suspects will be out to show everyone how raging they are, but why do they say literally **** all when things are going well? It makes it harder for other posters to have a balanced discussion about things when you have people who are drowning in pools of their own misery about how bad things are and they can’t see the good in anything.

[Fergus52]

The issue is that I don’t think that Bojang, Melkersen, Tavares, Henderson, Miller, JDH, Mitchell, McGregor and maybe one or two others are what we need right now (some due to being too young and need to develop, some being at a stage where they shouldn’t be players we rely on for backup, some like Bojang and Melkersen just aren’t anywhere near the required standard) and the players we do have just don’t have quite enough variety for us to completely change our system if we ever need to.

The new striker Kuharevich does add something we didn’t have up front which is good, we have no idea if Fish is able backup but not being able to get a game in the Vanarama leagues isn’t a good sign.

The fact we’ve got a starting eleven and a handful of decent subs that are getting points comes down to a good manager and the sheer laws of probability as opposed to quality, precision recruitment.

Agree with you to an extent as I do think we could do with a couple of better back up options, but think your being a bit harsh with some of your analysis.

McGregor is 5th choice CB so unlikely to get any game time, melkerson,tavares and bojang haven't looked great but we'd probably need at least 4 or 5 forwards to be out injured at the same time for any of them to get a run of games now, which any team would struggle with. The former two are still very young with plenty time to develop as well.

Mitchell and JDH have shown enough to prove they are more than adequate backups at our level imo.

Hibs are never going to be in a position where we have 22 players all of a similar quality ready to drop into the team when required. Probably only man city do in world football, pretty much all other teams rely on giving game time to unproven youngsters or players with less quality than the regular starters when injuries and suspensions build up.

[MWHIBBIES]

The issue is that I don’t think that Bojang, Melkersen, Tavares, Henderson, Miller, JDH, Mitchell, McGregor and maybe one or two others are what we need right now (some due to being too young and need to develop, some being at a stage where they shouldn’t be players we rely on for backup, some like Bojang and Melkersen just aren’t anywhere near the required standard) and the players we do have just don’t have quite enough variety for us to completely change our system if we ever need to.

The new striker Kuharevich does add something we didn’t have up front which is good, we have no idea if Fish is able backup but not being able to get a game in the Vanarama leagues isn’t a good sign.

The fact we’ve got a starting eleven and a handful of decent subs that are getting points comes down to a good manager and the sheer laws of probability as opposed to quality, precision recruitment.

Melkersen is very young and has shown more than tavares. Weird to single him out.

[J-C]

The issue is that I don’t think that Bojang, Melkersen, Tavares, Henderson, Miller, JDH, Mitchell, McGregor and maybe one or two others are what we need right now (some due to being too young and need to develop, some being at a stage where they shouldn’t be players we rely on for backup, some like Bojang and Melkersen just aren’t anywhere near the required standard) and the players we do have just don’t have quite enough variety for us to completely change our system if we ever need to.

The new striker Kuharevich does add something we didn’t have up front which is good, we have no idea if Fish is able backup but not being able to get a game in the Vanarama leagues isn’t a good sign.

The fact we’ve got a starting eleven and a handful of decent subs that are getting points comes down to a good manager and the sheer laws of probability as opposed to quality, precision recruitment.


Big Daz is now a coach with the Dev squad, he's still registered as a player purely as last resort cover but like Gray, he's moved into coaching, he's only on the bench today because Rocky has been injured and Fish is still a rookie.

[Keith_M]

It’s the predictability of it that annoys me. We could have one bad result and the usual suspects will be out to show everyone how raging they are, but why do they say literally **** all when things are going well? It makes it harder for other posters to have a balanced discussion about things when you have people who are drowning in pools of their own misery about how bad things are and they can’t see the good in anything.


We can all have a good moan from time to time but, for most of us, it's balanced out with the occasional positive post when things are going reasonably well.

Some of our more negative posters, though, have been noticeable by their absence during our recent spell of wins... with the exception of the occasional negative comment on non-football related issues.

[Unseen work]

Well done again today Lee and his coaching team.

Great result against a tough opposition.

Solid defensively, creating chances and winning games. Just need a couple of our forward players to hit the net to get a bit of confidence and then we’ll be some team.

There’s a real confidence growing.

[gazzag70]

Well done Lee, winning games and playing with attacking football. Have a feeling there is a lot more improvement to come as well.GGTTH!

[PaulSmith]

Lee Johnson has turned the entire club around. Looks like a great appointment.

[GRA]

Well done again today Lee and his coaching team.

Great result against a tough opposition.

Solid defensively, creating chances and winning games. Just need a couple of our forward players to hit the net to get a bit of confidence and then we’ll be some team.

There’s a real confidence growing.

Still got Magennis to get up to speed, plus Mitchell, Nisbet & McGeady to return. If they get fit and up to speed quickly I've no doubt we'll start converting more chances 😁

[Since452]

All these wins are getting boring

[The Spaceman]

Another giant 🤫

[Iain G]

He did seem to be paying homage to Roger Moore in Moonraker with his outfit today, until it rained anyway!

[loanheadhibby]

It’s also human nature to have a lot more to say when things aren’t going as expected and that goes for both ends of the spectrum.

Everyone in football wants to talk about Haaland just now because he’s been outrageously good. If he’d started the season scoring 5 in 10 there’d be a lot less chat about him.

Man Utd have been the talk of football for seasons now because they’ve been atrocious. There’d have been alot less chat about them had they been doing fairly well.

There’s an energy crisis thread on the holy ground because energy is currently a disaster, if it wasn’t, there wouldn’t be a thread as nobody would want to discuss it.

People want to discuss things when something isn’t going as expected. If things are plodding along just fine as they are right now at Hibs there’s a hell of a lot less to discuss. You’ll probably find that the posters having a go at others for posting a lot less when things go alright also post less at those points because there’s a lot less to discuss.

Couldn't agree more.
All clubs fans forums are far more interesting when their team is struggling.
When things are going well everyone gets a pat on the back and the forum is a bit boring.
Long may the forum remain boring.

[Keith_M]

Now if he could just get our strikers to score goals, he'll surely be given a knighthood.

[FilipinoHibs]

Now if he could just get our strikers to score goals, he'll surely be given a knighthood.

Thinking of more of a sainthood.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Now if he could just get our strikers to score goals, he'll surely be given a knighthood.

:agree:

There’s been a huge improvement in the defence and midfield. The forwards with the exception of Boyle aren’t really firing on all cylinders but if that comes we could be a very good side. Could see McKirdy coming in for Youan midweek.

[WestCoastHibby]

I’m finally going to say I’m happy to eat humble pie. Wasn’t overly impressed at the time when he was appointed but we are starting to find some momentum and purpose. Well done the manager and staff…:and the Support 👍👍

[HoboHarry]

Now if he could just get our strikers to score goals, he'll surely be given a knighthood.

What's it like when a centre forward scores for us? I'm only 60 so too young to know.......

[A Hi-Bee]

Another clean sheet, well done, now with any luck the attention will turn to the forwards and we will see them all start to click and score some goals.
:thumbsup:

[Keith_M]

What's it like when a centre forward scores for us? I'm only 60 so too young to know.......


:greengrin

[J-C]

Another clean sheet, well done, now with any luck the attention will turn to the forwards and we will see them all start to click and score some goals.
:thumbsup:

Defending starts from the front and it's noticable that the front 3 and midfield are pressing high up and in packs, the team looks a lot fitter.

[neil7908]

If we get a bit more clinical up top we are going to be some team.

Magennis and Nisbet back to full fitness on the horizon is huge.

[Lago]

How fortunate Hibs are to have LJ as our manager, obviously knows how to motovate his players, I love listening to him in interviews.

[bingo70]

How fortunate Hibs are to have LJ as our manager, obviously knows how to motovate his players, I love listening to him in interviews.

I wondered what he would say today as I didn’t think we were particularly good, especially going forward, but I think he absolutely nailed it again.

Don’t think I’ve disagreed with him yet.

[Jim44]

I remember him saying a couple of months ago that it would take till the end of September before we might see his influence and ideas taking shape and I kind of thought ‘aye right’, we’ll see. Well, hands up, my cynicism is gradually dispersing and I am refreshingly optimistic about where we might be going.

[matty_f]

I wondered what he would say today as I didn’t think we were particularly good, especially going forward, but I think he absolutely nailed it again.

Don’t think I’ve disagreed with him yet.

Same here. :agree:

I think there's very evident and tangible improvements in all areas of the pitch and our results reflect that. I still think we've got some improving to do, as well.

This is probably the most optimistic I've been about Hibs since season one of Jack Ross' time at the club, we have (at worst) held our own in every game this season (except for St Mirren away, probably) and have battered a few teams without really getting the goals to show for it.

The stats that you see getting kicked about just now put us in the mix with Rangers and Celtic and so you know that the results and our league position aren't lucky or on weak foundations, they're merited and reflective of how are playing.

Long may it continue.

[B.H.F.C]

If we get a bit more clinical up top we are going to be some team.

Magennis and Nisbet back to full fitness on the horizon is huge.

Contribution from our attacking players is the difference between a decent season and a really good one. None of them have scored a goal other than Boyle. That needs to change soon, wee need more from them.

[GreenGray]

If our forwards start scoring we’ll be dangerous


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[Donegal Hibby]

Contribution from our attacking players is the difference between a decent season and a really good one. None of them have scored a goal other than Boyle. That needs to change soon, wee need more from them.
Good thing is Lee Johnson has said after match today we have to improve upfront .

[Donegal Hibby]

Good article in EEN Sir David Gray talking about what's it like to work with LJ. It's on Hibernian official site too.Joe Newell talking in EEN too.All seem happy with LJ. Hanlon on official site too saying theres a buzz around the place .Has LJ slipped them all a few quid? :greengrin

[Kato]

Good article in EEN Sir David Gray talking about what's it like to work with LJ. It's on Hibernian official site too.Joe Newell talking in EEN too.All seem happy with LJ. Hanlon on official site too saying theres a buzz around the place .Has LJ slipped them all a few quid? :greengrinStevenson said similar briefly in his 550 interview.

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[Donegal Hibby]

Stevenson said similar briefly in his 550 interview.

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Good to see a happy camp and everyone pulling in the same direction :wink:

[J-C]

Good article in EEN Sir David Gray talking about what's it like to work with LJ. It's on Hibernian official site too.Joe Newell talking in EEN too.All seem happy with LJ. Hanlon on official site too saying theres a buzz around the place .Has LJ slipped them all a few quid? :greengrin


Stevenson said similar briefly in his 550 interview.

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Could be the change in tactics, more emphasis on attacking football, players and fans both happy.

[dangermouse]

Fitting Nisbet, Boyle, Youan, McKirdy, Bojang, Tavares, McGeady, Mitcjell and Mykola in is going to be hard!


And Merkelson too mind :greengrin . Really can't remember for a long time having such good options up front .it's nearly a team of attackers. So here's the big question .what 3 would you pick?

Just add in Marshall and go 0-0-10 formation :greengrin

[evy]

Defending starts from the front and it's noticable that the front 3 and midfield are pressing high up and in packs, the team looks a lot fitter.

Fittest the squad has looked since John Collins had his abs out and preformed a bootcamp pre-season.

I remember Johnson saying it would take 12 weeks for the squad to get up to speed with ideas and vision. This was (competitive) match 13 and it's definitely coming together.

[evy]

Could be the change in tactics, more emphasis on attacking football, players and fans both happy.

This. Footballers want to play football, not keepball.

[hibees 7062]

Didn’t know he signed a four year contract. Great business Hibs

[Northernhibee]

To be fair to Lee on this one, we should had an equaliser before HT. Why it didn't stand I'll never know.

If we could be more clinical in front of goal, that could have finished 3 or 4-1 to Hibs. Equally it could have been 3-1 to Dundee United in the end.

It happens, we move on.

[hibees 7062]

They had one shot on goal to our seven

[B.H.F.C]

Just back but don’t feel too downbeat about it.

It was night and day from the multiple defeats I walked away from last year. Or even from St Mirren not so long ago.

Our biggest issue is lack of goals from our forwards. We have the makings of a good team but unless they start scoring we won’t be much more than decent. If we keep creating as many chances over the course of the season though, we’ll win a decent number of games.

[Smartie]

Just back but don’t feel too downbeat about it.

It was night and day from the multiple defeats I walked away from last year. Or even from St Mirren not so long ago.

Our biggest issue is lack of goals from our forwards. We have the makings of a good team but unless they start scoring we won’t be much more than decent. If we keep creating as many chances over the course of the season though, we’ll win a decent number of games.

Kuharevich has done very well from the point of leading the line and bringing others into the play but as a goal threat he's got a bit of improving to do.

In spite of the team being on a good run, Youan has been patchy throughout that run and Boyle now probably has more than one eye on the World Cup.

Given the number of wide forwards we've got at the club, it's a bit concerning that we've not got much threat coming from that area or realistic opportunities to rotate the squad.

It's looking like being a pretty satisfactory first round of fixtures though.

[Donegal Hibby]

I thought we were very unlucky not to get at least a point . As usual Lee Johnson spoke well in post match interview and I agreed with what he said about game though what has confused me a bit ( and i am easily confused btw) was the fact that he never mentioned Edwards elbow yet went on about Watt should have been sent off and should have had 3 yellow cards . Honestly I didn't see what he done apart from being a nuisance ,in saying that the match was freezing on me quite a bit . Maybe I missed something you all seen?

[JammyDoidger]

The gaffer is really impressing me. Down against Livi and second half was exciting we created plenty chances and tonight was the same, he can't put the ball in the net for the players. This side never knows when it's beat, scored last minute goals to earn points more than once this season too, fair play to the manager.

[Northernhibee]

I thought we were very unlucky not to get at least a point . As usual Lee Johnson spoke well in post match interview and I agreed with what he said about game though what has confused me a bit ( and i am easily confused btw) was the fact that he never mentioned Edwards elbow yet went on about Watt should have been sent off and should have had 3 yellow cards . Honestly I didn't see what he done apart from being a nuisance ,in saying that the match was freezing on me quite a bit . Maybe I missed something you all seen?
Not normally impressed by that sort of interview but he was balanced with it and didn’t deflect away from our shortcomings.

He’s honest, I like that. Even the “you’re not wrong there pal” after St Mirren felt honest.

[Pretty Boy]

I've not looked at this thread for a while but I'm off the opinion Johnson is doing exceptionally well.

Tbh I'm still not convinced we have a great squad, a big one and a couple of potentially big players to come back, but there's a lot of filler and players that just aren't going to cut it for us in there as well. I say that because I think Johnson is making this squad better than the sum of it's parts. To have us 3rd after 10 games is better than I expected.

He needs time to keep improving us and a continuing evolution of the squad in January and next summer with us looking to continue to improve it and maybe cut our losses with some others should see continued forward momentum.

[Key West]

I've not looked at this thread for a while but I'm off the opinion Johnson is doing exceptionally well.

Tbh I'm still not convinced we have a great squad, a big one and a couple of potentially big players to come back, but there's a lot of filler and players that just aren't going to cut it for us in there as well. I say that because I think Johnson is making this squad better than the sum of it's parts. To have us 3rd after 10 games is better than I expected.

He needs time to keep improving us and a continuing evolution of the squad in January and next summer with us looking to continue to improve it and maybe cut our losses with some others should see continued forward momentum.

Agree with most of this PB the majority of the teams have fillers though and even Eddie Turnbull’s team had a strongest eleven that would be weakened by enforced changes, it is what is unfortunately.

[B.H.F.C]

I've not looked at this thread for a while but I'm off the opinion Johnson is doing exceptionally well.

Tbh I'm still not convinced we have a great squad, a big one and a couple of potentially big players to come back, but there's a lot of filler and players that just aren't going to cut it for us in there as well. I say that because I think Johnson is making this squad better than the sum of it's parts. To have us 3rd after 10 games is better than I expected.

He needs time to keep improving us and a continuing evolution of the squad in January and next summer with us looking to continue to improve it and maybe cut our losses with some others should see continued forward momentum.

I agree on the squad. Despite the number of signings in the summer the impact from most has been pretty limited.

Marshall and Boyle are undoubted improvements (big improvements). Beyond that Cabraja and Kenneh have done fairly well and a couple of the others have shown the odd bit of quality.

He’s managed to get more out of some of those already there but I think a number of the younger players might be looking at a loan in January. I think the squad needs streamlined a bit, less bodies but more quality in certain areas.

[flash]

I enjoy watching Hibs again and that's all i really ask for so LJ is doing just fine in my eyes.

If we can just start to get a fair return of goals for the amount of chances we create then a pretty decent season is definetely possible.

[Donegal Hibby]

Lee Johnson hinting there will be a couple of changes for our visit to parkhead .I'd guess Youan will be one ,l like Youan but he was extremely poor in Utd game. I do think the big open pitch at parkhead would have suited him more though

[Ronniekirk]

I question L J is a vast improvements thebyeo previous managers and is now starting to make us more exciting than a Jack Ross Team
He has only had one Transfer Window and the only real downside is the number of forwards we have that aren’t scoring
However the Ukrainian Lad defo looks like he will start scoring soon and if Mckirdy can develop more game awareness and learn to look up and pick the right pass he will assist as well as score He is probsbluly over trying at present

[loanheadhibby]

Lee Johnson hinting there will be a couple of changes for our visit to parkhead .I'd guess Youan will be one ,l like Youan but he was extremely poor in Utd game. I do think the big open pitch at parkhead would have suited him more though

I'll reserve my judgement on LJ. Definite improvement but we lose too many away games. As soon as we lose the opening goal away from home it is pretty much game over. We have lost 1 - 0 away to St Mirren and Utd and 2-1 to Livi. We've not even been to Pittodrie, Parkhead, Ibrox or tynie yet. To be fair to LJ it has been an Achilles heal for a few season but it is something he needs to sort out sooner rather than later.

[Donegal Hibby]

Lee Johnson channels Pep Guardiola as he speaks on strikers and Kyle Mcgennis quandary " In EEN

[Since452]

I've not looked at this thread for a while but I'm off the opinion Johnson is doing exceptionally well.

Tbh I'm still not convinced we have a great squad, a big one and a couple of potentially big players to come back, but there's a lot of filler and players that just aren't going to cut it for us in there as well. I say that because I think Johnson is making this squad better than the sum of it's parts. To have us 3rd after 10 games is better than I expected.

He needs time to keep improving us and a continuing evolution of the squad in January and next summer with us looking to continue to improve it and maybe cut our losses with some others should see continued forward momentum.

I agree. We have some very good players such as Marshall, Cabraja, Magennis, Porteous and Boyle but a lot that are only ever going to be bit part players. I know some wont agree but i'd try and move on JDH, Melkersen, Henderson and Doidge at the end of his loan. All of those mentioned aren't his signings so wouldn't surprise me at all. Melkersen is a fair investment so might head out on loan. Don't think there's any chance we'll sign Bojang after his loan is up either.

[Tyler Durden]

I'll reserve my judgement on LJ. Definite improvement but we lose too many away games. As soon as we lose the opening goal away from home it is pretty much game over. We have lost 1 - 0 away to Livi, St Mirren and Utd. We've not even been to Pittodrie, Parkhead, Ibrox or tynie yet. To be fair to LJ it has been an Achilles heal for a few season but it is something he needs to sort out sooner rather than later.

We lost 2-1 at Livi.

Last season when we lost the opening goal it was game over. This season is pretty different for us, we battered Livi and Dundee Utd in the second halves without any reward.

Hearts and particularly Aberdeen also struggling to win away from home. Our home form is much improved so surely LJ deserves credit for that. Beat St Mirren, St Johnstone and Ross County in our next 3 home games and there is a very good chance we'll be sitting 3rd as the season breaks for the World Cup. Surely everyone would have taken that at the start of the season.

[loanheadhibby]

We lost 2-1 at Livi.

Last season when we lost the opening goal it was game over. This season is pretty different for us, we battered Livi and Dundee Utd in the second halves without any reward.

Hearts and particularly Aberdeen also struggling to win away from home. Our home form is much improved so surely LJ deserves credit for that. Beat St Mirren, St Johnstone and Ross County in our next 3 home games and there is a very good chance we'll be sitting 3rd as the season breaks for the World Cup. Surely everyone would have taken that at the start of the season.

Apologies re Livi score.

Altho we battered both Livi & Utd, we lost. We battered Hearts in 2nd half of semi last season and lost. My point is, LJ has to start turning these narrow defeats in to draws and possibly wins. I am a fan of LJ and hope he does well. If he can win the majority of the home games and start picking up the odd draw/win away from home, we'll definitely have a fighting chance for 3rd place.

[Tambo]

The only positives again was despite we lost we was the better team with the most chances etc like the livi and St mirren away games.

Another night we would of got at least a point.

[CapitalGreen]

The only positives again was despite we lost we was the better team with the most chances etc like the livi and St mirren away games.

Another night we would of got at least a point.

I don’t think we were the better team when we played St Mirren, we were lucky that their poor finishing meant we only lost 1-0.

[Donegal Hibby]

Best coaches are thieves .Lee Johnson article in Scotsman.

[MWHIBBIES]

The only positives again was despite we lost we was the better team with the most chances etc like the livi and St mirren away games.

Another night we would of got at least a point.

We were definitely not the better side away at st mirren. Distant 2nd best. Otherwise I do agree. We're playing well.

[JimBHibees]

I don’t think we were the better team when we played St Mirren, we were lucky that their poor finishing meant we only lost 1-0.

Yep poor in that game and deserved to lose in saying that Youhan missing the glorious chance a minute into the second half changes the game imo if he scores

[Sir David Gray]

The only positives again was despite we lost we was the better team with the most chances etc like the livi and St mirren away games.

Another night we would of got at least a point.

We were the better side in the second half at Livingston but the first half was abysmal and we could have been a couple of goals down at half time.

The St Mirren game was awful.

I agree about the other night though, we were the better side and should have got at least a draw. The disallowed goal was scandalous.

[#2 Double Tap]

Best coaches are thieves .Lee Johnson article in Scotsman.

He really does slaver loadsa pi. Sh, no way the jumbos are the best coaches in the world.

[Crunchie]

I'll reserve my judgement on LJ. Definite improvement but we lose too many away games. As soon as we lose the opening goal away from home it is pretty much game over. We have lost 1 - 0 away to St Mirren and Utd and 2-1 to Livi. We've not even been to Pittodrie, Parkhead, Ibrox or tynie yet. To be fair to LJ it has been an Achilles heal for a few season but it is something he needs to sort out sooner rather than later.
Hibs have been in general poor away from home with the odd good season thrown in since I've been watching them in the 70's. That season under Ross was exceptional.

[FitbaFolkKen]

I'll reserve my judgement on LJ. Definite improvement but we lose too many away games. As soon as we lose the opening goal away from home it is pretty much game over. We have lost 1 - 0 away to St Mirren and Utd and 2-1 to Livi. We've not even been to Pittodrie, Parkhead, Ibrox or tynie yet. To be fair to LJ it has been an Achilles heal for a few season but it is something he needs to sort out sooner rather than later.

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We were excellent away from home in 20/21, last season was garbage though.

It’s not been a problem as long as it feels like it has.


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[Kato]

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We were excellent away from home in 20/21, last season was garbage though.

It’s not been a problem as long as it feels like it has.


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[McGruber]

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We were excellent away from home in 20/21, last season was garbage though.

It’s not been a problem as long as it feels like it has.


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That's pretty incredible that we took more points away from home than Celtic. Knew we had a great record that season but that is something else.

[Keith_M]

That's pretty incredible that we took more points away from home than Celtic. Knew we had a great record that season but that is something else.


It was a weird season. No fans at games and the away sides seemed to be winning a lot more than usual.

[A Hi-Bee]

I like LJ's interviews in the papers, interesting and usually pretty honest as well, have high hopes for Hibs with him as manager, and have to say did not always have that view.
:flag::flag::flag:

[Springbank]

This Celtic game showing last seasons back 4 was no longer the answer

[MWHIBBIES]

This Celtic game showing last seasons back 4 was no longer the answer

What about all the other games?

[Hibs90]

Well he’s got it horribly wrong today, certainly tactically, and with the team selection.

[Hibbyradge]

It's been a terrible first half, but if Marshall holds the shot as he should have done, at 2-0 we'd still have something to play for.

But I'm just looking for a crumb of comfort because we're not in the game at all.

[Alfred E Newman]

This Celtic game showing last seasons back 4 was no longer the answer

It’s not the back four that is the problem, as has been said a hundred times, it’s the midfield. LJ inherited the problem and has done little to address it. Bringing in a plethora of young mostly inexperienced fan dan strikers that don’t score goals was never going to improve things.
We might get away with it most of the time but unfortunately we are never going to compete in games like this .

[MWHIBBIES]

It’s not the back four that is the problem, as has been said a hundred times, it’s the midfield. LJ inherited the problem and has done little to address it. Bringing in a plethora of young mostly inexperienced fan dan strikers that don’t score goals was never going to improve things.
We might get away with it most of the time but unfortunately we are never going to compete in games like this .

Midfield strongest aspect for weeks, been absolutely controling games.

Back 4 been solid.

Goalie excellent.

Forwards can't score

First sign of trouble blame the midfield...

Maybe, just maybe, football teams don't play well every week and they all make mistakes?

[loanheadhibby]

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We were excellent away from home in 20/21, last season was garbage though.

It’s not been a problem as long as it feels like it has.


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That was a fantastic away record to be fair. LJ has a lot of work to do this year to sort it out.

[SlickShoes]

Folk up in arms about us losing to a team to who's squad is better than us in literally every position, it's hardly a shock.

[Hibs90]

Folk up in arms about us losing to a team to who's squad is better than us in literally every position, it's hardly a shock.

Fully expected to lose today but to lose in the manner we have is disgraceful

[Heisenberg]

Folk moan when we go to Ibrox and Parkhead with 11 behind the ball and they’ll moan when we go with our usual gameplan and get pumped. LJ made some poor choices in team selection but has also been let down by some very poor individual errors.

[J-C]

Folk moan when we go to Ibrox and Parkhead with 11 behind the ball and they’ll moan when we go with our usual gameplan and get pumped. LJ made some poor choices in team selection but has also been let down by some very poor individual errors.


He had a go with an attacking team but got the selection wrong, Stevenson and McKirdy were the wrong options.

[MWHIBBIES]

Fully expected to lose today but to lose in the manner we have is disgraceful

Yep. Diddy sides like Motherwell work Celtic harder.

A nightmare today and one he must learn from.

[SlickShoes]

Fully expected to lose today but to lose in the manner we have is disgraceful

We've been quite poor but individual errors have killed us, it's not really the end of the world. If we keep this form going into the next game I will be worried.

[Sir David Gray]

I was fairly certain we would lose today, Celtic don't lose many domestic games for a reason but I honestly didn't see this sort of scoreline coming.

Really disappointing, we must see a reaction on Friday night.

[Hibees1973]

Suicide selection from Johnson today.

He has gone way down in my estimation of him today with that team.

What an idiot.

[Steve20]

It’s losing to the likes of St Mirren and Dundee Utd that needs to stop.

Losing today was likely, but he did nothing with the team to even make it seem like we could do anything.

Having said that, we have a poor group of players, so i would blame the recruitment before I’d blame Johnson (even if I think he’s a limited manager)

[OsiersHibs]

Hopefully he's learned his lesson with the players that started today and it's not repeated.

[bingo70]

We've been quite poor but individual errors have killed us, it's not really the end of the world. If we keep this form going into the next game I will be worried.

Correct, we’ve not been great but it’s not been disgraceful.

We’ve probably paid the price for putting a team out to win the game but even then Marshall has chucked one in, our defensive midfielder missed the ball when trying to kick it, they’ve scored a deflected goal when it was heading straight for Marshall.

They’ve been miles better than us, as they should be but it feels like our defence has us one of those days just like our forward did against Dundee Utd the other night.

[bingo70]

It’s losing to the likes of St Mirren and Dundee Utd that needs to stop.

Losing today was likely, but he did nothing with the team to even make it seem like we could do anything.

Having said that, we have a poor group of players, so i would blame the recruitment before I’d blame Johnson (even if I think he’s a limited manager)

Why would losing to the likes of Dundee Utd and St Mirren stop, who do you think we are?

[lucky]

Correct, we’ve not been great but it’s not been disgraceful.

We’ve probably paid the price for putting a team out to win the game but even then Marshall has chucked one in, our defensive midfielder missed the ball when trying to kick it, they’ve scored a deflected goal when it was heading straight for Marshall.

They’ve been miles better than us, as they should be but it feels like our defence has us one of those days just like our forward did against Dundee Utd the other night.

Spot on. Celtic away has never been a happy hunting ground for us. Formation and individual errors have cost us big time. The management team and players will learn and we move on.

[Alfred E Newman]

Suicide selection from Johnson today.

He has gone way down in my estimation of him today with that team.

What an idiot.

If bringing in a striker we allegedly spend a lot of money on in the summer is suicidal it doesn’t say much for our recruitment.

[eastmainsmsh]

When Aaron Mooy runs the show in midfield that’s shows how poor we were today

Baffling from LJ today

[bingo70]

If bringing in a striker we allegedly spend a lot of money on in the summer is suicidal it doesn’t say much for our recruitment.

We’re still currently 3rd in the league though which says more for our recruitment than one bad day at the office.

Especially if you are generous enough to take into account how bad we were last season.

[bingo70]

When Aaron Mooy runs the show in midfield that’s shows how poor we were today

Baffling from LJ today

How? he’s a good player that’s way out of our budget?

[MWHIBBIES]

When Aaron Mooy runs the show in midfield that’s shows how poor we were today

Baffling from LJ today

Aaron mooy with the hundred plus premier League appearances and would walk into our side? Aye, alright

[Lago]

Suicide selection from Johnson today.

He has gone way down in my estimation of him today with that team.

What an idiot.
Pretty much the same as previous, apart from McKirdy and Stevenson change so what team would you have put out?

[Pretty Boy]

He needs to avoid a couple of defeats becoming 3, which could maybe be described as a run. It allows people to get a bit antsy and start criticising him.

Today was a very harsh lesson for him, you just can't set up against Celtic in the same way as you do everyone else. His approach has largely been good, particularly at home, against the others in the league this season and there's no reason that shouldn't continue on Friday.

[Donegal Hibby]

Suicide selection from Johnson today.

He has gone way down in my estimation of him today with that team.

What an idiot.
Here we go again :rolleyes:

[judas]

Why would losing to the likes of Dundee Utd and St Mirren stop, who do you think we are?

I think you are missing the point. Completely. In fact there is a bit of the chimp about your impulsive reaction.

[A Hi-Bee]

I said it before he is a smart manager and he will learn from this, tough lesson but he will learn, we also need to look at getting in some quality in the winter transfer window.

[bingo70]

I think you are missing the point. Completely. In fact there is a bit of the chimp about your impulsive reaction.

Every chance of it.

I don’t understand why anybody would expect us to just stop dropping points against other non old firm sides though.

We will win some games, lose some games, get hammered by the old firm some times and hopefully pick up some unexpected points against the old firm some times too.

If I’ve missed the point that was being made then so be it, I don’t care really.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Aaron mooy with the hundred plus premier League appearances and would walk into our side? Aye, alright

He doesn’t have 100+ premier league appearances. He’s also been playing in China for the last 2 seasons as he’s no longer good enough for the EPL and can’t get into this Celtic team.

[bigwheel]

He doesn’t have 100+ premier league appearances. He’s also been playing in China for the last 2 seasons as he’s no longer good enough for the EPL and can’t get into this Celtic team.

He started today

[bingo70]

He doesn’t have 100+ premier league appearances. He’s also been playing in China for the last 2 seasons as he’s no longer good enough for the EPL and can’t get into this Celtic team.

Not one Hibs player would get close to being a regular starter in this Celtic side either.

Mooy would have been a huge signing for us if we could have afforded him.

[Paulie Walnuts]

He started today

He did, because they played half a team. It was his second start of the season and he got hooked at half time in his only other start and was having a horror show.

Ewan Henderson has started 11 games for Celtic as well. It would be fair to say he never got a sniff really though.

[cameronw-hfc]

He doesn’t have 100+ premier league appearances. He’s also been playing in China for the last 2 seasons as he’s no longer good enough for the EPL and can’t get into this Celtic team.

Okay Mr Pedantic he's 5 games away from 100+. He's played 96 games, 4/5 more and that's a completely correct statement, the sentiment stands.

[eastmainsmsh]

How? he’s a good player that’s way out of our budget?

Ok a wee bit hasty there hands 🙌 but we made them look good just pissed off with performance today

[bigwheel]

He did, because they played half a team. It was his second start of the season and he got hooked at half time in his only other start and was having a horror show.

His he has had game time in almost every game this season ..doesn’t match your implication of viewed as not good enough

[Paulie Walnuts]

Okay Mr Pedantic he's 5 games away from 100+. He's played 96 games, 4/5 more and that's a completely correct statement, the sentiment stands.

It’s not pedantic, the statement was incorrect. The incorrect statement was also being used to dress Mooy up as if he could currently still be playing in the EPL when he quite clearly couldn’t be. He’s never played 100+ games and even if he had, he’s miles from being good enough to do that now which is what the incorrect statement seemed to be suggesting.

[B.H.F.C]

Correct, we’ve not been great but it’s not been disgraceful.

We’ve probably paid the price for putting a team out to win the game but even then Marshall has chucked one in, our defensive midfielder missed the ball when trying to kick it, they’ve scored a deflected goal when it was heading straight for Marshall.

They’ve been miles better than us, as they should be but it feels like our defence has us one of those days just like our forward did against Dundee Utd the other night.

I thought it was disgraceful. Fine getting beat. Not competing is a different story. And we never, right from the start. Johnson’s lack of reaction in the first half a concern.

[Paulie Walnuts]

His he has had game time in almost every game this season ..doesn’t match your implication of viewed as not good enough

I said he’s not good enough for the EPL.

A guy who gets 20 minutes here and there for Celtic at 32 years old is quite clearly not good enough for the EPL.

He also rarely gets starts for Celtic. I’ve never said he’s not good enough for them but he’s never going to be good enough to be a starter for them. He’s really not that good and he’s certainly not the player being suggested on here.

[jacomo]

He needs to avoid a couple of defeats becoming 3, which could maybe be described as a run. It allows people to get a bit antsy and start criticising him.

Today was a very harsh lesson for him, you just can't set up against Celtic in the same way as you do everyone else. His approach has largely been good, particularly at home, against the others in the league this season and there's no reason that shouldn't continue on Friday.


I remember a home game v Celtc under Lennon, where we set up as 4-4-2 with Stevie Mallan as our deepest midfielder. I was expecting a cricket score against us but we won 2-0.

Yes Celtc have a much better squad than us but when we’ve set up ultra cautious against them it’s often ended badly too.

The scoreline is a sore one but trying to have a go at them does pay off at times… though obviously not today.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Correct, we’ve not been great but it’s not been disgraceful.

We’ve probably paid the price for putting a team out to win the game but even then Marshall has chucked one in, our defensive midfielder missed the ball when trying to kick it, they’ve scored a deflected goal when it was heading straight for Marshall.

They’ve been miles better than us, as they should be but it feels like our defence has us one of those days just like our forward did against Dundee Utd the other night.

Interesting that you think celtic should be miles better than us but you’ve criticised a poster for saying the defeats to St Mirren etc need to stop.

How does that work?

[Greenwich_Hibby]

Better Hibs teams than this one have lost by the same score to Celtic, bit of perspective required.

[bigwheel]

I said he’s not good enough for the EPL.

A guy who gets 20 minutes here and there for Celtic at 32 years old is quite clearly not good enough for the EPL.

He also rarely gets starts for Celtic. I’ve never said he’s not good enough for them but he’s never going to be good enough to be a starter for them. He’s really not that good and he’s certainly not the player being suggested on here.

He’d be our best player …he’s getting game time every week for Celtic .is it over 50 caps for his country ?? Played at a good level. Not sure what your point is , but he’s a good player

[GRA]

Better Hibs teams than this one have lost by the same score to Celtic, bit of perspective required.

Exactly. Rangers got scudded there earlier this season. Hearts lost 5-0 at Ibrox last season. It happens. Just hope it hasn't totally knocked our confidence for Friday.

[Paulie Walnuts]

He’d be our best player …he’s getting game time every week for Celtic .is it over 50 caps for his country ?? Played at a good level. Not sure what your point is , but he’s a good player

My point is that he’s not as good as the player he’s being made out. Much like the suggestion he’d be our best player, he’s not that good either imo. Boyle is a much better player for example.

[bingo70]

Interesting that you think celtic should be miles better than us but you’ve criticised a poster for saying the defeats to St Mirren etc need to stop.

How does that work?

because the wage gap between us and Celtic is miles bigger than the gap between us and St Mirren?

[B.H.F.C]

I remember a home game v Celtc under Lennon, where we set up as 4-4-2 with Stevie Mallan as our deepest midfielder. I was expecting a cricket score against us but we won 2-0.

Yes Celtc have a much better squad than us but when we’ve set up ultra cautious against them it’s often ended badly too.

The scoreline is a sore one but trying to have a go at them does pay off at times… though obviously not today.

Problem today was that we didn’t really have a go. First half, we never had a shot. We were set up in a way that suggested we wanted to but it ended up being neither one thing or the other.

I couldn’t believe he just let it run in the first half. We’d had a couple of warnings before the first goal about the space out wide and did nothing to address it.

Players take their share as well though. Stevenson shocking at the first, Marshall at the third and Kenneh at the third immediately jump out.

[bigwheel]

My point is that he’s not as good as the player he’s being made out. Much like the suggestion he’d be our best player, he’s not that good either imo. Boyle is a much better player for example.

They’re quite different players. Boyle’s not played at the level Mooy played at - no premiership club would sign Boyle. They did with Mooy . It’s subjective. But he’d played every week for us - probably captain . Anyway, not sure what either of us are adding to this thread now [emoji3][emoji106]

[bingo70]

I thought it was disgraceful. Fine getting beat. Not competing is a different story. And we never, right from the start. Johnson’s lack of reaction in the first half a concern.

Johnson’s lack of reaction in the first half? He made 4 subs at half time!

I also don’t know what changes he made during the first half but something he’s as McKirdy went from only being on the left to popping up on the right so something happened and we went the last 20 minutes if the first half without conceding compared to losing 3 in the first half of it.

I think that’s a really odd criticism to be honest.

[Paulie Walnuts]

because the wage gap between us and Celtic is miles bigger than the gap between us and St Mirren?

It’s still massively bigger. How many times wages do you need to pay before a club shouldn’t be able to compete with another?

The poster clearly didn’t mean we can never lose another game against St Mirren or the likes yet you jumped on it but then went on to suggest we shouldn’t be able to get anywhere against Celtic.