We need to talk about Lee

[Pretty Boy]

Johnson has got things wrong in the last couple of games.

Supporters of his previous clubs all pointed out he was a streaky manager and when he got it wrong then it was often quite spectacularly so. I think the last 3 games have shown signs of that. Dundee Utd was fine as a performance but ultimately still a defeat, Celtic was naive in the extreme and last night there was no real reaction to the sending off. Obviously it's easy to say we should have done this or that with hindsight but the best managers are those who are proactive or quickly reactive and make sure they walk away with points when the chips are down.

In saying that I still like Johnson. I still think he is working with a squad that is heavy on numbers but fairly light on quality, certainly when it comes to depth. Our options from the bench last night would hardly have had many of our fans salivating or the opposition fans worried. He needs another window and we need more in the mould of Marshall and Kucharevych and less Tavares, Melkerson and Henderson.

[Ozyhibby]

Johnson has got things wrong in the last couple of games.

Supporters of his previous clubs all pointed out he was a streaky manager and when he got it wrong then it was often quite spectacularly so. I think the last 3 games have shown signs of that. Dundee Utd was fine as a performance but ultimately still a defeat, Celtic was naive in the extreme and last night there was no real reaction to the sending off. Obviously it's easy to say we should have done this or that with hindsight but the best managers are those who are proactive or quickly reactive and make sure they walk away with points when the chips are down.

In saying that I still like Johnson. I still think he is working with a squad that is heavy on numbers but fairly light on quality, certainly when it comes to depth. Our options from the bench last night would hardly have had many of our fans salivating or the opposition fans worried. He needs another window and we need more in the mould of Marshall and Kucharevych and less Tavares, Melkerson and Henderson.

We need to start scoring goals. Some of the overall play has improved but it’s no good if you don’t get the goals.
I think we only have 2 goals from our forwards so far? In mid October that’s horrific.


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[Bridge hibs]

1 0 is never comfortable as the longer the game goes, the winning team inevitably try to defend. Even if it was 11 v 11, they would have put us under pressure towards the end.

We re-acted terribly to going down to 19 men. Absolutely no leaders in our pack unfortunately. No one good enough to grab game by scruff of the neck.**** the defeat was sore but losing with 19 men on the park was ****ing brutal 🤬

[Fergus52]

Johnson has got things wrong in the last couple of games.

Supporters of his previous clubs all pointed out he was a streaky manager and when he got it wrong then it was often quite spectacularly so. I think the last 3 games have shown signs of that. Dundee Utd was fine as a performance but ultimately still a defeat, Celtic was naive in the extreme and last night there was no real reaction to the sending off. Obviously it's easy to say we should have done this or that with hindsight but the best managers are those who are proactive or quickly reactive and make sure they walk away with points when the chips are down.

In saying that I still like Johnson. I still think he is working with a squad that is heavy on numbers but fairly light on quality, certainly when it comes to depth. Our options from the bench last night would hardly have had many of our fans salivating or the opposition fans worried. He needs another window and we need more in the mould of Marshall and Kucharevych and less Tavares, Melkerson and Henderson.

Agree with this, Johnson has made some big mistakes recently but he has transformed our style of play and deserves time.

Still some gaps in the squad in terms of strength and depth but feel like we're getting there.

Could still easily come third this season of we start putting away more of our chances. The whole league outside of the old firm will be tight as I don't think any of the teams look particularly good. None of them look distinctly better than us, no reason we shouldn't be aiming to be ahead of hearts and Aberdeen this season.

[Ozyhibby]

Agree with this, Johnson has made some big mistakes recently but he has transformed our style of play and deserves time.

Still some gaps in the squad in terms of strength and depth but feel like we're getting there.

Could still easily come third this season of we start putting away more of our chances. The whole league outside of the old firm will be tight as I don't think any of the teams look particularly good. None of them look distinctly better than us, no reason we shouldn't be aiming to be ahead of hearts and Aberdeen this season.

Aberdeen starting to score lots of goals. Will be hard to finish above them unless we start to do similar.


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[matty_f]

Aberdeen starting to score lots of goals. Will be hard to finish above them unless we start to do similar.


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We definitely need to solve that problem - it’s no use needing 20 chances per goal, especially if your opponents are scoring from the 2 or 3 chances they create.

[Tyler Durden]

Aberdeen starting to score lots of goals. Will be hard to finish above them unless we start to do similar.


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Not away from home they’ve not. And at home they’ve scored about 8 of their goals vs 10 men. According to some around here they don’t really count?

[eastmainsmsh]

Should be able to finish it off 1-0 up another 3 points lost fraustrating

[Tyler Durden]

Not away from home they’ve not. And at home they’ve scored about 8 of their goals vs 10 men. According to some around here they don’t really count?

Ok Aberdeen 2-0 up after 15 🙈

I’m signing off for today 🤣

[A Hi-Bee]

I like L.J. a wee bit, we have no real choice now, than to go with him, back him for the next 2 or 3 seasons and see where the trip takes us.
:thumbsup:

[bingo70]

I think perspective is needed as to his starting point as manager.

We were absolutely horrendous last season, that takes time to turn things around.

I’m delighted with the progress so far.

[matty_f]

I think perspective is needed as to his starting point as manager.

We were absolutely horrendous last season, that takes time to turn things around.

I’m delighted with the progress so far.
Pretty much where I am. The League Cup was farcical, irrespective of the squad he had at that point, we should have progressed from the group we were in, but it’s gone now and the team are playing at a totally different level to even those games, imho.

Almost everything points to us being one of the better teams in the league even though the results haven’t always reflected that but if we keep doing the majority of what we’re doing we’ll have a good season. We need more goals, that’s clear, but i think those will come.

[Hibbyradge]

**** the defeat was sore but losing with 19 men on the park was ****ing brutal 🤬

We'll probably get a points deduction too.

[MWHIBBIES]

We need to start scoring goals. Some of the overall play has improved but it’s no good if you don’t get the goals.
I think we only have 2 goals from our forwards so far? In mid October that’s horrific.


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Doidge 3
Melkersen 1
Boyle 4
Youan 1
Mykola 1

10 from our forwards in all comps.

Certainly do need to score more when we're all over teams like yesterday, though. Hopefully begin next week.

[MWHIBBIES]

Pretty much where I am. The League Cup was farcical, irrespective of the squad he had at that point, we should have progressed from the group we were in, but it’s gone now and the team are playing at a totally different level to even those games, imho.

Almost everything points to us being one of the better teams in the league even though the results haven’t always reflected that but if we keep doing the majority of what we’re doing we’ll have a good season. We need more goals, that’s clear, but i think those will come.

Indeed. Its just mental that folk expected much more than this at this point. We were ALWAYS going to have an inconsistent fist 10/15 games as he implemented his ideas, got players back fit, new guys settled, and everyone made mistakes. We're absolutely miles better than last season. Play better football, create much more, actually have a plan in games etc.

[loanheadhibby]

I see you’ve now found your latest dreary line of patter since Newell’s showing what a good player he is again.

Didn't show it last night.
Slows everything down and passes the ball across the park.
Contributed very little in my opinion.

[Colinton Hibby]

Early days for the manager but I do like him. Of course we all wnat success this year but I’m not going to judge him harshly until next season. This season is all about improvement and from what I've seen so far we are much better to watch than last few years. Boring under Jack Ross and Maloney’s style was horrible to sit and watch.

[blackpoolhibs]

I think perspective is needed as to his starting point as manager.

We were absolutely horrendous last season, that takes time to turn things around.

I’m delighted with the progress so far.

I agree, although i'm far from delighted at the progree and quite a lot of the results.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Is this not round about the point LJ said to judge him by?

[Hibbyradge]

I’m not going to judge him harshly until next season.

Even if we're really good next season?

[bingo70]

Is this not round about the point LJ said to judge him by?

Aye and we’re 5th in the league which isn’t too bad going.

I don’t think anybody is getting carried away but he’s doing fine. There’s going to be blips along the way but anybody who expected different is mental and hugely unrealistic so not worth listening to.

[greenlex]

Aye and we’re 5th in the league which isn’t too bad going.

I don’t think anybody is getting carried away but he’s doing fine. There’s going to be blips along the way but anybody who expected different is mental and hugely unrealistic so not worth listening to.
I might be wrong but is it the same folk questioning our form that we’re happy to see attractive attacking football no matter the result? You know the bored Fans that hounded out Ross? Surely can’t be.

[Hibbyradge]

Aye and we’re 5th in the league which isn’t too bad going.

I don’t think anybody is getting carried away but he’s doing fine. There’s going to be blips along the way but anybody who expected different is mental and hugely unrealistic so not worth listening to.

I agree with you, Bingo.

The style of our play has improved greatly but there's not much the manager can do if the forwards are refusing to take their chances. Nisbet returning should help once he gets up to speed, though, and Boyle's form will surely return.

Porto falling down too easily and stupid fouls by Magennis lost us the game last night not the manager.

[blackpoolhibs]

I might be wrong but is it the same folk questioning our form that we’re happy to see attractive attacking football no matter the result? You know the bored Fans that hounded out Ross? Surely can’t be.
:lips seal

[Hibbyradge]

:lips seal

:tee hee:

Owned!

[Paulie Walnuts]

I might be wrong but is it the same folk questioning our form that we’re happy to see attractive attacking football no matter the result? You know the bored Fans that hounded out Ross? Surely can’t be.

If you can find a post where someone has indicated they wanted attractive football “no matter the results” then your post would potentially be relevant.

I have no doubt you’ll not find such a post though.

[greenlex]

If you can find a post where someone has indicated they wanted attractive football “no matter the results” then your post would potentially be relevant.

I have no doubt you’ll not find such a post though.
If I had the time or inclination I guarantee you 100% they exist but I have neither so I guess guess my post will just have to remain irrelevant.

[Paulie Walnuts]

If I had the time or inclination I guarantee you 100% they exist but I have neither so I guess guess my post will just have to remain irrelevant.

Why does that not surprise me.

Make something up then tell everyone you don’t have the time to prove it. Classic.

[McGruber]

Indeed. Its just mental that folk expected much more than this at this point. We were ALWAYS going to have an inconsistent fist 10/15 games as he implemented his ideas, got players back fit, new guys settled, and everyone made mistakes. We're absolutely miles better than last season. Play better football, create much more, actually have a plan in games etc.

I doubt many can't see we are playing better than last season and there is plenty room for optimism. I'm optimistic myself for the remainder of the season.
That said, it's not going to take away from the disappointment of losing at home to a very poor St Johnstone team that even played poorly on the night, packed with ex players. Whether we are better or not - the soft as *****, panic mode arse collapse after the sending off was embarrassing

[greenlex]

Why does that not surprise me.
.
Because I’m busy and not really that interested in what you think?

[bingo70]

I might be wrong but is it the same folk questioning our form that we’re happy to see attractive attacking football no matter the result? You know the bored Fans that hounded out Ross? Surely can’t be.

No, I don’t think so? (The replied to your message suggests you’re meaning someone in particular that’s passing me by 😂)

I’m one of the people that ‘hounded’ Ross out because I was bored but I’m also delighted with how we’re trying to play now and really like LJ.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Because I’m busy and not really that interested in what you think?

Too busy to be posting on Hibs.net throughout the afternoon? Nope.
Too busy to make things up on Hibs.net? Nope.
Too busy to provide proof of what they’re claiming has been said? Of course.

Very convenient.

[greenlex]

Too busy to be posting on Hibs.net all afternoon? Nope.
Too busy to make things up on Hibs.net? Nope.
Too busy to provide proof of what they’re claiming has been said? Of course.

Very convenient.
Tell you what if it makes you feel any better substitute too busy for cannot be arsed. :aok:

[greenlex]

No, I don’t think so? (The replied to your message suggests you’re meaning someone in particular that’s passing me by 😂)

I’m one of the people that ‘hounded’ Ross out because I was bored but I’m also delighted with how we’re trying to play now and really like LJ.
I’m sure they know who they are Bingo. :greengrin

[Hibbyradge]

Why does that not surprise me.

Make something up then tell everyone you don’t have the time to prove it. Classic.

:faf:

Who in their right mind would scroll through thousands of posts in order to prove a point?

[loanheadhibby]

Indeed. Its just mental that folk expected much more than this at this point. We were ALWAYS going to have an inconsistent fist 10/15 games as he implemented his ideas, got players back fit, new guys settled, and everyone made mistakes. We're absolutely miles better than last season. Play better football, create much more, actually have a plan in games etc.

See if we get to game day 25 and we’re having same issues, you’ll still be asking us to give the manager more time. At the start of the season you were telling us Doidge was the answer to our striking problems.

we’re better than last season but not miles better. With Maloney as manager, we had as much possession as we have under LJ. We create more chances under LJ. Results are pretty similar.

[HoboHarry]

:faf:

Who in their right mind would scroll through thousands of posts in order to prove a point?
Well if it's true that he's racked up 3255 posts since February of this year then apparently he has the time. The rest of us live in the real world :greengrin

[Steven1985]

I agree, although i'm far from delighted at the progree and quite a lot of the results. That would be normal Hibs. I think we're on the right track this time. He said the squad is too big and "some" of the players aren't good enough. If I can find the youtube interview' I'll post it. I think you're about the same age as me. Can you remember getting a full house against St J or similar? We're on the right track.

[Donegal Hibby]

No, I don’t think so? (The replied to your message suggests you’re meaning someone in particular that’s passing me by 😂)

I’m one of the people that ‘hounded’ Ross out because I was bored but I’m also delighted with how we’re trying to play now and really like LJ.
I wanted Ross out as well though was sorry I did after we appointed Maloney. I found his football much worse , we never looked like scoring in a lot of games .Happy with our football now bar a couple of results which can happen. Think it's early days and we are still a work in progress

[hibeerealist]

That would be normal Hibs. I think we're on the right track this time. He said the squad is too big and "some" of the players aren't good enough. If I can find the youtube interview' I'll post it. I think you're about the same age as me. Can you remember getting a full house against St J or similar? We're on the right track.

Do you really think that these crowd levels will continue when we are winning less than 50% of our games? I dont mean the sell outs I am referring to ST sales.

Hibs are under performing on a regular basis on the pitch, fans will only take that for so long (some longer than others).

[Paulie Walnuts]

:faf:

Who in their right mind would scroll through thousands of posts in order to prove a point?

https://www.hibs.net/showthread.php?357352-Next-Hibs-Manager/page72

“ Also, the most entertaining teams in my life have all finished top 4. Entertaining football is only really possible with a good team so it’s not like people are happy to accept an 8th place finish for good football. If we play good football it’ll be because we’ve got good players and a good manager. If that’s the case the results will still be good.”

That took me all of 2 minutes to find due to the search function and I never had to scroll through thousands of posts. And you’ll never believe this, but it’s also not claiming that I want good football no matter the result, nowhere near it. Infact it’s almost the complete opposite. That view point I mentioned many times over the search for a new manager.

Who’d have thought it? :rolleyes:

So yes, #owned etc. It’s pretty easy to “own” people when you make things up and then claim you’re too busy to back up your lies. Especially when you’ve got a couple of fan boys getting all excited over it.

[Hibees1973]

Johnson's future and any subsequent manager at Hibs is at the mercy of the Gordon's. Always will be. Suppose we are no different to other clubs under foreign ownership.

If the recruitment teams' policy continues as signing 1 or 2 experienced proven players, then a dozen or so aimless punts each window, Johnson does not stand a chance of getting us in the top four at the end of the season and maybe in the last four of the Scottish Cup. If he doesn't achieve this the Gordon's will sack him quickly, in a similar way they have done with our previous couple of managers.

Don't get the recognition Johnson has had so far he has had from elements of our support. Some people like him for his interviews but I for one don't go for managers who use sound-bites as Johnson does. Some his terminology is a bit weird.

Our form is hugely inconsistent, which is as expected given the massive turnover in players and also managers in the last year.

I really don't expect this to settle down in the short term. In my opinion what may change our path is to ditch this development team nonsense and focus all our finances on the 1st team. We should pay off all these fringe/development players who are obviously not up to the level they should be so we have a lean, proper and experienced 1st team squad of around 18-20 players.

My gut feeling going on the last year and what I've seen so far, is that we will finish between 6th - 8th. If this is the caae then Johnson will be sacked by the Gordon's at the season's end.

[Hibbyradge]

https://www.hibs.net/showthread.php?357352-Next-Hibs-Manager/page72

“ Also, the most entertaining teams in my life have all finished top 4. Entertaining football is only really possible with a good team so it’s not like people are happy to accept an 8th place finish for good football. If we play good football it’ll be because we’ve got good players and a good manager. If that’s the case the results will still be good.”

That took me all of 2 minutes to find due to the search function and I never had to scroll through thousands of posts. And you’ll never believe this, but it’s also not claiming that I want good football no matter the result, nowhere near it. Infact it’s almost the complete opposite. That view point I mentioned many times over the search for a new manager.

Who’d have thought it? :rolleyes:

So yes, #owned etc. It’s pretty easy to “own” people when you make things up and then claim you’re too busy to back up your lies.

You really did search for a post to prove a totally unimportant point! :faf:

I said Blackpool Hibs was owned because he indicated that he was one of the people Greenlex was referring to.

[Paulie Walnuts]

You really did search for a post to prove a totally unimportant point! :faf:

I said Blackpool Hibs was owned because he indicated that he was one of the people Greenlex was referring to.

Sure you did. Blackpool Hibs was one of the biggest Jack Ross supporters on here so you know fine well greenlex wasn’t referring to him.

Keep digging though.

[Hibbyradge]

Sure you did. Blackpool Hibs was one of the biggest Jack Ross supporters on here so you know fine well greenlex wasn’t referring to him.

Keep digging though.

FFS, I thought BH's mouth shut emoji was indicating that he was one of the people Lex meant. I certainly wasn't referring to you because I have no idea what you did or didn't say and it's not in the least bit important to me.

How you thought my owned comment after his post referred to you, I don't know.

[greenlex]

FFS, I thought BH's mouth shut emoji was indicating that he was one of the people Lex meant. I certainly wasn't referring to you because I have no idea what you did or didn't say and it's not in the least bit important to me.

How you thought my owned comment after his post referred to you, I don't know.
Best ignored. It’s probably his own post he’s dredged up. I’m not even sure what it’s relevance to my original question is.

[Steven1985]

Do you really think that these crowd levels will continue when we are winning less than 50% of our games? I dont mean the sell outs I am referring to ST sales.

Hibs are under performing on a regular basis on the pitch, fans will only take that for so long (some longer than others). Taking into account some notable exceptions, Hibs have been underperforming all my life (I'm 57 BTW). Yes, I do think the marketing side has got it right. Make more money and buy / pay better players. Get bigger crowds, sell more tat, buy / pay better players and so it goes on.

Have a quick think. We just got Tw@tted 6-1 by Celtic. Yet we get a sell out for a Friday night game against St J. If that's not going in the right direction then you win, I don't know what is.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Best ignored. It’s probably his own post he’s dredged up. I’m not even sure what it’s relevance to my original question is.

Is this now a desperate attempt to pretend your post wasn’t aimed at me? :faf:

Of course it was my own post I quoted because your post was clearly aimed at me. If you can’t understand the relevance of my post pointing out your lie I’m afraid it can’t really be made any clearer.

At least be big enough to own your lie rather than trying to weasel out of it now.

[greenlex]

Is this now a desperate attempt to pretend your post wasn’t aimed at me? :faf:

Of course it was my own post I quoted because your post was clearly aimed at me. If you can’t understand the relevance of my post pointing out your lie I’m afraid it can’t really be made any clearer.

At least be big enough to own your lie rather than trying to weasel out of it now.

I think you need to stay off the drugs mate. I asked a question of another poster (fairly randomly at that) about a view made by some fans whilst we were seen as boring. You seem to have made it about you. You weren’t anywhere near my thoughts and was certainly not named or quoted. I’m perfectly happy to own my “lie” mate. It was a tongue in cheek remark made towards posters of a certain view at the time. Like I said you seem to have made it about yourself. Stop being weird. Stop flattering yourself nobody really cares. Get out a bit and enjoy yourself.

[HoboHarry]

Is this now a desperate attempt to pretend your post wasn’t aimed at me? :faf:

Of course it was my own post I quoted because your post was clearly aimed at me. If you can’t understand the relevance of my post pointing out your lie I’m afraid it can’t really be made any clearer.

At least be big enough to own your lie rather than trying to weasel out of it now.
Mate you need to get out of the house and go get yourself an Indian or something. Seriously.

[007]

If you take the time to find the EPL numbers you’ll see that anything under 8 would be amongst the best.

Based on this season Leeds are best at 8.3.

https://i.ibb.co/h2yzJXn/PPDA.jpg (https://ibb.co/ss2Yd5D)

https://twitter.com/miqbalhm1/status/1581679056591822849?s=20&t=YsErXK9Cb30aW7Okkve2Jw

[HNA11]

Can we try and keep this civil please folks.

A 3 game losing streak is emotive, we get it, but as an admin team we neither want to close this thread nor spend a Saturday night deleting posts and tidying it up.

There's a lot of repetition going on, maybe agree to disagree and move on.

Thanks.

[greenlex]

Can we try and keep this civil please folks.

A 3 game losing streak is emotive, we get it, but as an admin team we neither want to close this thread nor spend a Saturday night deleting posts and tidying it up.

There's a lot of repetition going on, maybe agree to disagree and move on.

Thanks.
:aok:

[WhileTheChief..]

:faf:

Who in their right mind would scroll through thousands of posts in order to prove a point?

In the 20 years you’ve been on here you haven’t noticed folk doing that??!!

Or, some folks have the best memories ever. I recently had people casting up what I said from years ago to prove a point. Internet stalkers all around us.

[Scottie]

Mate you need to get out of the house and go get yourself an Indian or something. Seriously.
Just going out to do exactly that Harry Indian ordered Cobra waiting on ice. This place is getting bonkers :crazy:

[Paulie Walnuts]

Can we try and keep this civil please folks.

A 3 game losing streak is emotive, we get it, but as an admin team we neither want to close this thread nor spend a Saturday night deleting posts and tidying it up.

There's a lot of repetition going on, maybe agree to disagree and move on.

Thanks.

No prob.

[ChilliEater]

Can we try and keep this civil please folks.

A 3 game losing streak is emotive, we get it, but as an admin team we neither want to close this thread nor spend a Saturday night deleting posts and tidying it up.

There's a lot of repetition going on, maybe agree to disagree and move on.

Thanks.

Well said 🙂

[Spike Mandela]

Whatever you think of his coaching or tactical abilities, you have to give him credit for his post match analysis of games and it's key incidents. Absolute forensic analysis. He'll be a good pundit one day.

[Stuart93]

Whatever you think of his coaching or tactical abilities, you have to give him credit for his post match analysis of games and it's key incidents. Absolute forensic analysis. He'll be a good pundit one day.

It’s a pity he can’t seem to do that whilst the game is ongoing

Constantly makes either the wrong sub or makes it far too late

[007]

https://www.hibs.net/showthread.php?357352-Next-Hibs-Manager/page72

“ Also, the most entertaining teams in my life have all finished top 4. Entertaining football is only really possible with a good team so it’s not like people are happy to accept an 8th place finish for good football. If we play good football it’ll be because we’ve got good players and a good manager. If that’s the case the results will still be good.”

That took me all of 2 minutes to find due to the search function and I never had to scroll through thousands of posts. And you’ll never believe this, but it’s also not claiming that I want good football no matter the result, nowhere near it. Infact it’s almost the complete opposite. That view point I mentioned many times over the search for a new manager.

Who’d have thought it? :rolleyes:

So yes, #owned etc. It’s pretty easy to “own” people when you make things up and then claim you’re too busy to back up your lies. Especially when you’ve got a couple of fan boys getting all excited over it.

The 2nd post down in the link you posted quotes a poster saying:

"I will never understand people willing to sacrifice wins for playing the "Hibs way". It's all about winning. Tipy tappy 3-2 defeats and finishing mid table? Nah."

Which suggests that poster has also seen people wanting attractive football no matter the results, which backs up Greenlex's (or Hibbyradge's or whoever else you've been debating) arguement against you.

[eastmainsmsh]

LJ is quite shrewd with media pre and post match three defeats on bounce shouldve won at Tannadice and on friday at home hope we get back on track on sat 👍 but the strikers need to score more

[matty_f]

The 2nd post down in the link you posted quotes a poster saying:

"I will never understand people willing to sacrifice wins for playing the "Hibs way". It's all about winning. Tipy tappy 3-2 defeats and finishing mid table? Nah."

Which suggests that poster has also seen people wanting attractive football no matter the results, which backs up Greenlex's (or Hibbyradge's or whoever else you've been debating) arguement against you.

There were definitely people who prioritised attractive football over results when Jack Ross’ side was being called boring.

[Paulie Walnuts]

There were definitely people who prioritised attractive football over results when Jack Ross’ side was being called boring.

But that’s not saying “no matter results” as was suggested. Likewise in 007s posts, it mentions finishing mid table. That would mean results did carry importance to finish mid table. So again, not “no matter results” which really just suggests people couldn’t care less if we lost every week as long as the football was good as the results didn’t matter.

[matty_f]

But that’s not saying “no matter results” as was suggested. Likewise in 007s posts, it mentions finishing mid table. That would mean results did carry importance to finish mid table. So again, not “no matter results” which really just suggests people couldn’t care less if we lost every week as long as the football was good as the results didn’t matter.

There were folk who were happy to see us lose if we lost playing exciting football. They didn’t say “So long as that’s only got a maximum of a couple of matches so we’re not below mid-table”. That’s an arbitrary caveat that you’ve put on it. And again, it might suggest it to you but that’s not what was written. Which was the point you made about people not saying they’re wanting Johnson sacked earlier on, no?

[Since452]

There were definitely people who prioritised attractive football over results when Jack Ross’ side was being called boring.

Yup. People were saying they'd rather finish mid table and play attacking football than finish 3rd with a more conservative style. The same ones would moan if we finished mid table but had a right good go...

[Paulie Walnuts]

There were folk who were happy to see us lose if we lost playing exciting football. They didn’t say “So long as that’s only got a maximum of a couple of matches so we’re not below mid-table”. That’s an arbitrary caveat that you’ve put on it. And again, it might suggest it to you but that’s not what was written. Which was the point you made about people not saying they’re wanting Johnson sacked earlier on, no?

Nobody ever suggested results simply didn’t matter. That’s exactly what “no matter the result” is saying people said. They didn’t.

It’s quite funny seeing posts being dragged up that mention mid table though, something that would require plenty ‘results’ being dragged up as proof of it though.

Anyway, I’m not getting dragged into it again.

[matty_f]

Nobody ever suggested results simply didn’t matter. That’s exactly what “no matter the result” is saying people said. They didn’t.

It’s quite funny seeing posts being dragged up that mention mid table though, something that would require plenty ‘results’ being dragged up as proof of it though.

Anyway, I’m not getting dragged into it again.

Weren’t you wanting folk to drag up posts? You’re all over the place with this.

I’ll leave it there as well, if it’s boring everyone else as much as it’s boring me, and I’m sure it is, then probably best for everyone to move on.

[greenlex]

Nobody ever suggested results simply didn’t matter. That’s exactly what “no matter the result” is saying people said. They didn’t.

It’s quite funny seeing posts being dragged up that mention mid table though, something that would require plenty ‘results’ being dragged up as proof of it though.

Anyway, I’m not getting dragged into it again.
Assuming you’re a boy you’re some boy. :hilarious

[Donegal Hibby]

Lee Johnson ready for Hibs ' super attacking ' football Scotland and similar story in EEN

[I'm Spartacus]

Yeah we got beat, but for large parts I actually thought we were excellent, that's real progress IMO.

Not sure why folk are falling out on a forum on a Saturday night, when 10 months ago our current position wasn't even on the horizon.

[Jones28]

Yeah we got beat, but for large parts I actually thought we were excellent, that's real progress IMO.

Not sure why folk are falling out on a forum on a Saturday night, when 10 months ago our current position wasn't even on the horizon.

Absolutely, we were. And we were against Dundee United as well, putting the ball in the net too.

A 3 game loosing streak isn't good, but other than the Celtic game in which everything was a disaster (when Marshall makes an error you know it's not going to be your day), we've played well in the other two games, deserving at least a point from each.

[B.H.F.C]

Absolutely, we were. And we were against Dundee United as well, putting the ball in the net too.

A 3 game loosing streak isn't good, but other than the Celtic game in which everything was a disaster (when Marshall makes an error you know it's not going to be your day), we've played well in the other two games, deserving at least a point from each.

I know it’s quite a simplistic argument but if you can’t put the ball in the net you get what you deserve.

I wasn’t too disheartened after the Dundee Utd game, I thought it was just one of those days. The two that followed I thought quite a number of players let themselves down though. When the going got tough in both games too many of them disappeared. More or less all of them actually. Thought LJ made mistakes in both games but it’s hard to legislate for the players totally ****ting the bed.

[ancient hibee]

Absolutely, we were. And we were against Dundee United as well, putting the ball in the net too.

A 3 game loosing streak isn't good, but other than the Celtic game in which everything was a disaster (when Marshall makes an error you know it's not going to be your day), we've played well in the other two games, deserving at least a point from each.
Don’t think we deserved at least a point from either as it was our own ineptitude that caused us to lose.

[JimBHibees]

Don’t think we deserved at least a point from either as it was our own ineptitude that caused us to lose.

Should have won both. Think we beat United if the goal was correctly given.

[MWHIBBIES]

Don’t think we deserved at least a point from either as it was our own ineptitude that caused us to lose.

United the referee caused us to lose, disallowing a perfectly good goal.

[bigwheel]

United the referee caused us to lose, disallowing a perfectly good goal.

If Var was in , i think they’d have ruled it out for the Youan “push”. Whilst it was soft , it’s hard to ignore it

[MWHIBBIES]

If Var was in , i think they’d have ruled it out for the Youan “push”. Whilst it was soft , it’s hard to ignore it

Var was in Friday and gave their first goal. Nothing in either one. Dreadful decision imo.

[Since452]

I can see what LJ is trying to do and bar St Mirren away, i've thoroughly enjoyed watching my team again this season. I was annoyed walking out of the stadium on Friday but i wasn't totally deflated, or dare i say apathetic as i was getting under his predecesor.

[Donegal Hibby]

If Var was in , i think they’d have ruled it out for the Youan “push”. Whilst it was soft , it’s hard to ignore it
So would that mean if VAR was in for st Johnstone game it would have ruled their goal for the soft push on Porto too? Hang on it was in wasn't it ?:hmmm:

[bigwheel]

Var was in Friday and gave their first goal. Nothing in either one. Dreadful decision imo.

Thought Porto made a meal of that tbh …wasnt as obvious a push for me

[MWHIBBIES]

Thought Porto made a meal of that tbh …wasnt as obvious a push for me

The Dundee United player didn't even appeal.

[bigwheel]

The Dundee United player didn't even appeal.

That’s true. Fair point ….But it was still a push, albeit slight. Two hands on his back

[Donegal Hibby]

https://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/hibs/hibs-recruitment-plan-lee-johnsons-city-football-group-trust-and-the-5-best-16-year-olds-in-scotland-claim-3891831

[JimBHibees]

Thought Porto made a meal of that tbh …wasnt as obvious a push for me

Much more obvious than the United one which the ref 10 yards away didn't give

[I'm Spartacus]

Thought Porto made a meal of that tbh …wasnt as obvious a push for me

He doesn't need to tbh. He better watch out with VAR on his case now, there wasn't anything to justify his movement.

[Since452]

Evey single Hibs manager in my 30 odd years on this planet have had poor runs and results. It's always going to happen. Doesn't matter who is in the hotseat. It's where we are in the food chain. That will always be the case, but my hope is that is in time, with the new owners and our turnover going up to levels we havent seen before and further investment in the squad etc they become less frequent. We are still in the early stages of the new ownership and in the infancy of Lee Johnsons tenure and their working relasionship. They have both made mistakes but i can live with that. Sometimes mistakes are needed. Im very excited about the future and think the foundations are being laid for a very bright one. There is a clear plan and identity through the club and the owner and manager seem aligned. Have faith. We're in a decent place.

[zitelli62]

Evey single Hibs manager in my 30 odd years on this planet have had poor runs and results. It's always going to happen. Doesn't matter who is in the hotseat. It's where we are in the food chain. That will always be the case, but my hope is that is in time, with the new owners and our turnover going up to levels we havent seen before and further investment in the squad etc they become less frequent. We are still in the early stages of the new ownership and in the infancy of Lee Johnsons tenure and their working relasionship. They have both made mistakes but i can live with that. Sometimes mistakes are needed. Im very excited about the future and think the foundations are being laid for a very bright one. There is a clear plan and identity through the club and the owner and manager seem aligned. Have faith. We're in a decent place.
Correct.

[OldEast]

Evey single Hibs manager in my 30 odd years on this planet have had poor runs and results. It's always going to happen. Doesn't matter who is in the hotseat. It's where we are in the food chain. That will always be the case, but my hope is that is in time, with the new owners and our turnover going up to levels we havent seen before and further investment in the squad etc they become less frequent. We are still in the early stages of the new ownership and in the infancy of Lee Johnsons tenure and their working relasionship. They have both made mistakes but i can live with that. Sometimes mistakes are needed. Im very excited about the future and think the foundations are being laid for a very bright one. There is a clear plan and identity through the club and the owner and manager seem aligned. Have faith. We're in a decent place.

Pretty much agree with all this but for me the jury is still out on recruitment.

[HoboHarry]

Evey single Hibs manager in my 30 odd years on this planet have had poor runs and results. It's always going to happen. Doesn't matter who is in the hotseat. It's where we are in the food chain. That will always be the case, but my hope is that is in time, with the new owners and our turnover going up to levels we havent seen before and further investment in the squad etc they become less frequent. We are still in the early stages of the new ownership and in the infancy of Lee Johnsons tenure and their working relasionship. They have both made mistakes but i can live with that. Sometimes mistakes are needed. Im very excited about the future and think the foundations are being laid for a very bright one. There is a clear plan and identity through the club and the owner and manager seem aligned. Have faith. We're in a decent place.
And indeed similar to every other manager and club on the planet.

[blackpoolhibs]

I'm a bit in the middle with LJ, let me start by saying he needs windows, but he needs windows to sign better players than we have done.

And where i think he has problems is he probably did not want a lot of the players we signed, but thats the problem with the way we run our signing policy.

Managers in the past were judged on their signing policy, now they are judged on his ability to spot players, and now at Hibs, a committee of men.

If we start to sign quality players now on, players who are better than we currently have, then he will have a chance.

[Paulie Walnuts]

I'm a bit in the middle with LJ, let me start by saying he needs windows, but he needs windows to sign better players than we have done.

And where i think he has problems is he probably did not want a lot of the players we signed, but thats the problem with the way we run our signing policy.

Managers in the past were judged on their signing policy, now they are judged on his ability to spot players, and now at Hibs, a committee of men.

If we start to sign quality players now on, players who are better than we currently have, then he will have a chance.

Pretty much where I am. I have no real issue with LJ, with what he has to work with I think he’s doing ok.

Unless our recruitment improves though then I’m not sure he’ll be able to offer much more than what we’re getting now and I’d think we’re likely to finish mid table. In effect, he’s currently being hamstrung by our signings imo. Hopefully the recruitment improves and he can have a proper go at the job.

[Hibees1973]

Lee Johnson ready for Hibs ' super attacking ' football Scotland and similar story in EEN

Did Johnson really say that.

If so, yet another sound-bite from him.

Wish his team were as prolific as Johnson's quotes. If we were, we would be 5-6 points clear in third place.

[Hibbyradge]

Did Johnson really say that.

If so, yet another sound-bite from him.

Wish his team were as prolific as Johnson's quotes. If we were, we would be 5-6 points clear in third place.

Jeez. :rolleyes:

I suggest you read the article before having a go.

[Jones28]

Did Johnson really say that.

If so, yet another sound-bite from him.

Wish his team were as prolific as Johnson's quotes. If we were, we would be 5-6 points clear in third place.

“Did he really say that? I’ll check for myself and read the article before speculating it being a sound bite and having dig, as I don’t know the context of what was said.”

[Donegal Hibby]

Hope Lee Johnson is right ?
https://www.heraldscotland.com/sport/23079901.hibs-ready-dish-pasting-insists-lee-johnson-targets-ruthless-display/

[HIBS NUTS]

Hope Lee Johnson is right ?
https://www.heraldscotland.com/sport/23079901.hibs-ready-dish-pasting-insists-lee-johnson-targets-ruthless-display/

Most teams in the country, run youth teams, so a gem occasionally can play first team football, most of the squads are just players that will be mabye be successful in lower leagues, or move onto pastures new.
Our current youth team looks to have at least 3 players that have a great chance,of making the step up.👍🏻

[Donegal Hibby]

Read a article there with Tom McManus saying we have to many loan signings and warning Johnson it's what Butcher had done . Personally don't think there's anything wrong with loaning players in to look at them myself .
https://www.edinburghlive.co.uk/sport/lee-johnson-handed-hibs-transfer-25361324

[Hibbyradge]

Read a article there with Tom McManus saying we have to many loan signings and warning Johnson it's what Butcher had done . Personally don't think there's anything wrong with loaning players in to look at them myself .
https://www.edinburghlive.co.uk/sport/lee-johnson-handed-hibs-transfer-25361324

He's a slaver.

[007]

Read a article there with Tom McManus saying we have to many loan signings and warning Johnson it's what Butcher had done . Personally don't think there's anything wrong with loaning players in to look at them myself .
https://www.edinburghlive.co.uk/sport/lee-johnson-handed-hibs-transfer-25361324

We've got a 1st team squad of almost 30. That article lists 5 players on loan, 2 who haven't played at yet, 1 who's played about 10 minutes so it's just Youan and Kukharevych that are playing regularly so I don't agree re too many loan signings. Too many in the squad? Yes. Hopefully it gets trimmed down a little in Jan.

[oneone73]

Read a article there with Tom McManus saying we have to many loan signings and warning Johnson it's what Butcher had done . Personally don't think there's anything wrong with loaning players in to look at them myself .
https://www.edinburghlive.co.uk/sport/lee-johnson-handed-hibs-transfer-25361324

How many loans did Butcher have? Not many I don't think?

[Jones28]

Read a article there with Tom McManus saying we have to many loan signings and warning Johnson it's what Butcher had done . Personally don't think there's anything wrong with loaning players in to look at them myself .
https://www.edinburghlive.co.uk/sport/lee-johnson-handed-hibs-transfer-25361324

I liked McManus as a commentator on Hibs TV but his opinion pieces are total ****ing nonsense.

5 loan signings, two of whom we have options on, one is a third choice goalkeeper, one is a back up centre half and one is a striker who just nabbed his first goal.

He doesn't seem to have a decent recollection of that team that was relegated. I don't remember it being packed full of loanees - the team that lost the 2012 final was full of them.

[Donegal Hibby]

We've got a 1st team squad of almost 30. That article lists 5 players on loan, 2 who haven't played at yet, 1 who's played about 10 minutes so it's just Youan and Kukharevych that are playing regularly so I don't agree re too many loan signings. Too many in the squad? Yes. Hopefully it gets trimmed down a little in Jan.
Yeah our squad is a bit big at the minute , hopefully it gets trimmed Jan with some youth players going out on loan to get some experience and maybe a couple of quality players coming in to improve us as well . Never minded loan signings as it always lets you have a look at them before buying . It's a very poor bit of Journalism by Tom McManus once again also.

[Iain G]

He's a slaver.

He makes Liz Truss look like an insightful human 🤣

[Iain G]

We've got a 1st team squad of almost 30. That article lists 5 players on loan, 2 who haven't played at yet, 1 who's played about 10 minutes so it's just Youan and Kukharevych that are playing regularly so I don't agree re too many loan signings. Too many in the squad? Yes. Hopefully it gets trimmed down a little in Jan.

And two of those 5 were brought in to cover injuries to permanent Hibs players.

[GreenCastle]

This weekends game is pretty important.

We lost to St Mirren earlier in season.

Having lost on Friday and on a 3 game losing streak - we simply need a win.

We have 4 games before World Cup break…

Aberdeen away next
Ross County home
Killie away

If we lost to St Mirren again fans will definitely be raging.

Hopefully we get 3 points but St Mirren have won 6 of last 9 games and only lost 2 in last 9.

[Jones28]

This weekends game is pretty important.

We lost to St Mirren earlier in season.

Having lost on Friday and on a 3 game losing streak - we simply need a win.

We have 4 games before World Cup break…

Aberdeen away next
Ross County home
Killie away

If we lost to St Mirren again fans will definitely be raging.

Hopefully we get 3 points but St Mirren have won 6 of last 9 games and only lost 2 in last 9.

I hope the gaffer sees this as a wobble, a good sized wobble, but a wobble none the less.

We've given a poor account of ourselves against Celtic but the other two results we should have taken more from.

Stick to the way we've been working and the goals will come.

[Sioux]

This weekends game is pretty important.

We lost to St Mirren earlier in season.

Having lost on Friday and on a 3 game losing streak - we simply need a win.

We have 4 games before World Cup break…

Aberdeen away next
Ross County home
Killie away

If we lost to St Mirren again fans will definitely be raging.

Hopefully we get 3 points but St Mirren have won 6 of last 9 games and only lost 2 in last 9.

Just goes to show they are a decent team just now. The fact that they don't lose much suggests that Hibs have no divine right to win the game just because some fans demand that they do, or come out with "we simply need a win" and then chuck toys out the pram if we don't.

[basehibby]

If Var was in , i think they’d have ruled it out for the Youan “push”. Whilst it was soft , it’s hard to ignore it

If that were the case then surely St Johnstone' equaliser last Fri would have been chalked off. Very similar incidents.

[Donegal Hibby]

Lee Johnson article.
https://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/hibs/lee-johnson-mulling-over-part-time-psychologist-for-hibs-as-he-tries-to-solve-teams-mental-frailties-3896637

[007]

Lee Johnson article.
https://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/hibs/lee-johnson-mulling-over-part-time-psychologist-for-hibs-as-he-tries-to-solve-teams-mental-frailties-3896637

I think it's a worthwhile move. The heads wen't down when Kyle got sent off so if someone can help us deal with the mental side of that sort of situation, it can only be a good thing. I'd imagine most top sportsmen & sportswomen have used a psychologist at some time or other.

[Donegal Hibby]

I think it's a worthwhile move. The heads wen't down when Kyle got sent off so if someone can help us deal with the mental side of that sort of situation, it can only be a good thing. I'd imagine most top sportsmen & sportswomen have used a psychologist at some time or other.
Think most top sports people and top clubs use them . Cant do any harm to try it imo

[Hibbyradge]

Think most top sports people and top clubs use them . Cant do any harm to try it imo

Hertz had Rima and her magic sticks. Sadly, we'll never get close to that level.

[Ronniekirk]

Just goes to show they are a decent team just now. The fact that they don't lose much suggests that Hibs have no divine right to win the game just because some fans demand that they do, or come out with "we simply need a win" and then chuck toys out the pram if we don't.

Was at Their game last Sat They only had one shot on target yet won 21 thanks to a deflected goal But they also hit the woodwork four times Well organised and they seem to have a greater self belief and work Thier socks off for each other
Agree this will not be an easy game

[Donegal Hibby]

Was at Their game last Sat They only had one shot on target yet won 21 thanks to a deflected goal But they also hit the woodwork four times Well organised and they seem to have a greater self belief and work Thier socks off for each other
Agree this will not be an easy game
Hard game against another team that's going to sit in deep and try and hit us on the break I think . They are a big physical team that work there socks off .Won't be easy that's for sure . Don't know if these are rubbish or good but found this on our game.
https://amp.sportsmole.co.uk/football/hibernian/preview/preview-hibernian-vs-st-mirren-prediction-team-news-lineups_498022.html?cQx=NN&newsnow

[Donegal Hibby]

Lee Johnson explains loan signings after Tam McManus report.

https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hibs/hibs-boss-lee-johnson-understands-concerns-of-tam-mcmanus-as-he-sets-out-rationale-behind-each-loan-signing-3896584

[Hibees1973]

This weekends game is pretty important.

We lost to St Mirren earlier in season.

Having lost on Friday and on a 3 game losing streak - we simply need a win.

We have 4 games before World Cup break…

Aberdeen away next
Ross County home
Killie away

If we lost to St Mirren again fans will definitely be raging.

Hopefully we get 3 points but St Mirren have won 6 of last 9 games and only lost 2 in last 9.

Agreed.

We should have at least an extra 4 points in the bag (St Johnstone & Dundee Utd) which would have had us sitting comfortably in 3rd going into tomorrow's game. What a missed opportunity last Friday.

If we fail to win tomorrow it will only confirm that we are, at best, a mid table outfit which will struggle to get into the top 6.

The season is well underway now and we know what we have got player wise.

Maybe after the World Cup the winter transfer window will see us loan/shift out the shedloads of fringe players we have that have not made any impact on the 1st team and hopefully sign more experienced/proven players.

This may alter prospects for the rest of the season.

[GRA]

St Mirren game is vital. Celtic game size of defeat can happen to anyone but we should have taken 6 points from the Dundee United & St Johnstone games. Threw points away due to our poor finishing & Johnsons lack of suitable tactics when Magennis was red carded.

3 points needed to get the confidence back otherwise we could easily spiral to mid-table obscurity like we did last season. Tricky game mind.

[JimBHibees]

Agreed.

We should have at least an extra 4 points in the bag (St Johnstone & Dundee Utd) which would have had us sitting comfortably in 3rd going into tomorrow's game. What a missed opportunity last Friday.

If we fail to win tomorrow it will only confirm that we are, at best, a mid table outfit which will struggle to get into the top 6.

The season is well underway now and we know what we have got player wise.

Maybe after the World Cup the winter transfer window will see us loan/shift out the shedloads of fringe players we have that have not made any impact on the 1st team and hopefully sign more experienced/proven players.

This may alter prospects for the rest of the season.

Tomorrow's game won't confirm anything the rest of the games will

[Sir David Gray]

St Mirren game is vital. Celtic game size of defeat can happen to anyone but we should have taken 6 points from the Dundee United & St Johnstone games. Threw points away due to our poor finishing & Johnsons lack of suitable tactics when Magennis was red carded.

3 points needed to get the confidence back otherwise we could easily spiral to mid-table obscurity like we did last season. Tricky game mind.

:agree: I mentioned 6 points from St Johnstone and St Mirren were a must if we had aspirations of finishing ahead of the rest in 3rd place and it was suggested that I was being dramatic.

Now we have lost the first game of this double header, and have moved down to 5th place as a result, I think it's crucial that we win tomorrow at home against a team that has never finished in the top 6 of the top flight since the split was introduced but who have started this season very well and currently sit above us.

We really need the 3 points to stop the rot and to get back into at least 4th place but probably 3rd since Aberdeen are playing at Ibrox.

Huge match tomorrow.

[Ronniekirk]

Hard game against another team that's going to sit in deep and try and hit us on the break I think . They are a big physical team that work there socks off .Won't be easy that's for sure . Don't know if these are rubbish or good but found this on our game.
https://amp.sportsmole.co.uk/football/hibernian/preview/preview-hibernian-vs-st-mirren-prediction-team-news-lineups_498022.html?cQx=NN&newsnow

Yes the saving grace is there poor away form So we really need to be looking to win this one

[Hibernia&Alba]

He can't afford a defeat tomorrow. We really should be beating St Mirren at home, but even a draw would stop the rot.

[Since452]

Arguably our best performance of the season so far. Back to winning ways.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Arguably our best performance of the season so far. Back to winning ways.

By a mile our best imo. :agree:

[SHODAN]

I like Lee.

[GreenCastle]

Arguably our best performance of the season so far. Back to winning ways.

Felt we were better against Aberdeen at home. Obviously they had 10 men for large parts of it.

[Donegal Hibby]

I'm a Lee Johnson fan and do believe he's a good manager but I'm pretty disappointed in what he had to say about the Goodwin carry on , no point in trying to sugar coat it , he should have called it out for what it was when he got the chance , another manager totally out of order about one of his players , maybe it's just me that thinks this ?
https://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/hibs/hibs-manager-lee-johnson-on-the-jim-goodwin-ryan-porteous-factor-ahead-of-aberdeen-match-3903593

[Jones28]

I'm a Lee Johnson fan and do believe he's a good manager but I'm pretty disappointed in what he had to say about the Goodwin carry on , no point in trying to sugar coat it , he should have called it out for what it was when he got the chance , another manager totally out of order about one of his players , maybe it's just me that thinks this ?
https://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/hibs/hibs-manager-lee-johnson-on-the-jim-goodwin-ryan-porteous-factor-ahead-of-aberdeen-match-3903593

I don't see much wrong with it to be fair.

[Wilson]

I'm a Lee Johnson fan and do believe he's a good manager but I'm pretty disappointed in what he had to say about the Goodwin carry on , no point in trying to sugar coat it , he should have called it out for what it was when he got the chance , another manager totally out of order about one of his players , maybe it's just me that thinks this ?
https://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/hibs/hibs-manager-lee-johnson-on-the-jim-goodwin-ryan-porteous-factor-ahead-of-aberdeen-match-3903593

I doubt it's only you that thinks this but what would a war of words achieve now? All we could do is keep it going, fan the flames, and make a hostile environment more hostile. How does that help us? Goodwin got sanctioned so it is dealt with.

The smart play is keeping calm. Protecting his player. We get the last laugh if Porto has the game of his life and we come away with the points.

[Donegal Hibby]

I doubt it's only you that thinks this but what would a war of words achieve now? All we could do is keep it going, fan the flames, and make a hostile environment more hostile. How does that help us? Goodwin got sanctioned so it is dealt with.

The smart play is keeping calm. Protecting his player. We get the last laugh if Porto has the game of his life and we come away with the points.
It doesn't have be a war of words , it obvious that our manager has been asked about it and instead of saying the guys been bang out of order and deserves to be punished and hopefully he learns his lesson ,it looks like he's went down the route of "he might not have meant it or its pressures of management " . A load of B***s**t imo . Its not about keeping it going either it's about telling the truth rather than sugar coating a slanderous out burst against one of our players , as to it making it a more hostile environment ? I don't think it would a effect us in any way at all . Disappointed in LJ about it to be honest with you. Would have liked him to have shown a bit more back bone on the matter.

[bingo70]

It doesn't have be a war of words , it obvious that our manager has been asked about it and instead of saying the guys been bang out of order and deserves to be punished and hopefully he learns his lesson ,it looks like he's went down the route of "he might not have meant it or its pressures of management " . A load of B***s**t imo . Its not about keeping it going either it's about telling the truth rather than sugar coating a slanderous out burst against one of our players , as to it making it a more hostile environment ? I don't think it would a effect us in any way at all . Disappointed in LJ about it to be honest with you. Would have liked him to have shown a bit more back bone on the matter.

I think you’re overthinking it. He just gave an honest answer which seems reasonable enough to me.

[Hibbyradge]

It doesn't have be a war of words , it obvious that our manager has been asked about it and instead of saying the guys been bang out of order and deserves to be punished and hopefully he learns his lesson ,it looks like he's went down the route of "he might not have meant it or its pressures of management " . A load of B***s**t imo . Its not about keeping it going either it's about telling the truth rather than sugar coating a slanderous out burst against one of our players , as to it making it a more hostile environment ? I don't think it would a effect us in any way at all . Disappointed in LJ about it to be honest with you. Would have liked him to have shown a bit more back bone on the matter.

I disagree.

I think everything that needed to be said about the incident was said at the time. What would opening it all up again by saying he was bang out of order achieve?

Nothing except raising the temperature and increasing the hostility. That might not greatly affect us, who knows, but what's the point?

If he has a go at Goodwin, the papers would be all over it, most taking Goodwin's side and piling more pressure on Ryan.

That wouldn't be fair on any player, but on one who is reportedly already considering leaving Scotland, it would be damaging.

I think Johnson has tried to put oil on troubled waters here and it's the correct, mature thing to do under the circumstances.

[Carheenlea]

I’m sure what Lee Johnson really thinks about Goodwin and what he opines to media as a match build up sound byte are two different things.

[green day]

I’m sure what Lee Johnson really thinks about Goodwin and what he opines to media as a match build up sound byte are two different things.

And a third thing is what he said to him personally.

I am sure managers will occasionally call each other up and debate / argue points - but none of that should come out in the media.

[Donegal Hibby]

I think you’re overthinking it. He just gave an honest answer which seems reasonable enough to me.
Maybe you and other posters are right though I don't think it was a honest answer to suggest Goodwin didn't mean what he said or it was pressure or circumstances of management ,he knew rightly what he was saying and has gotten of far to lightly imo , I didn't want our manager having a Lennon rant but he could have called it out for what it was . Anyhow I'm still disappointed in what he's said about it ,I expected a better response from him about it .

[Hibbyradge]

Maybe you and other posters are right though I don't think it was a honest answer to suggest Goodwin didn't mean what he said or it was pressure or circumstances of management ,he knew rightly what he was saying and has gotten of far to lightly imo , I didn't want our manager having a Lennon rant but he could have called it out for what it was . Anyhow I'm still disappointed in what he's said about it ,I expected a better response from him about it .

What would be the point?

[Donegal Hibby]

What would be the point?
Probably none to be honest with you but I don't see any point in saying maybe he didn't mean to say it or its pressures or circumstances of management either ?

[Hibbyradge]

Probably none to be honest with you but I don't see any point in saying maybe he didn't mean to say it or its pressures or circumstances of management either ?

Johnson was asked a question. He answered it diplomatically so as not to raise the stakes again. Criticising Goodwin now would just lead him to defend himself, more so the press, and it would only have reignited the flames and end up putting more pressure on our player.

The incident happened weeks ago. Goodwin has been punished. It's in the past.

[Donegal Hibby]

Johnson was asked a question. He answered it diplomatically so as not to raise the stakes again. Criticising Goodwin now would just lead him to defend himself, more so the press, and it would only have reignited the flames and end up putting more pressure on our player.

The incident happened weeks ago. Goodwin has been punished. It's in the past.
It's the most diplomatic and gracious answer I think I've ever heard to be honest with you that Goodwin didn't mean what he said or he was just under pressure ( bless him) . I'm still a LJ fan though I am disappointed in him . Anyhow your right " it's in the past now " .We move on and I really hope we beat the b***ers on Friday :aok:

[hibsitis]

I disagree.

I think everything that needed to be said about the incident was said at the time. What would opening it all up again by saying he was bang out of order achieve?

Nothing except raising the temperature and increasing the hostility. That might not greatly affect us, who knows, but what's the point?

If he has a go at Goodwin, the papers would be all over it, most taking Goodwin's side and piling more pressure on Ryan.

That wouldn't be fair on any player, but on one who is reportedly already considering leaving Scotland, it would be damaging.

I think Johnson has tried to put oil on troubled waters here and it's the correct, mature thing to do under the circumstances.

This. Nothing to be gained by going the trad route of whining managers. It's just a distraction from the key parts of the job. Goodwin's been punished and, as Hibbyradge says, we don't need more focus on Ryan.

[Donegal Hibby]

This. Nothing to be gained by going the trad route of whining managers. It's just a distraction from the key parts of the job. Goodwin's been punished and, as Hibbyradge says, we don't need more focus on Ryan.
I haven't suggested he should be a whining manager but I do expect him to say it how it is though maybe that's asking to much I don't know anyhow it's been said that Lee Johnson been deplomatic and pouring oil over troubled waters on this matter by hinting Goodwin didn't mean it or he was under pressure which I think is awful soft for a manager that's attacked one our players and admitted trying to influence the referee , have Aberdeen or Goodwin been as deplomatic with a apologize to Hibs or porto ? No they haven't. Your right about HIBBYRADGE he makes a lot of good points about it but it just doesn't sit right with me what Johnson has said .Again I will say I'm a fan of LJ but have lost a bit of respect for him over this I'd have rather he said nothing than make excuses for the cretin Jim Goodwin over his outburst. Matters now closed as it's in the past and everyone else is relatively happy with LJ comments

[007]

Maybe you and other posters are right though I don't think it was a honest answer to suggest Goodwin didn't mean what he said or it was pressure or circumstances of management ,he knew rightly what he was saying and has gotten of far to lightly imo , I didn't want our manager having a Lennon rant but he could have called it out for what it was . Anyhow I'm still disappointed in what he's said about it ,I expected a better response from him about it .

I think LJ has chosen to rise above the nonsense and not lower himself to Goodwin's level and to me, that is commendable.

I interpret it differently to you. I don't think he suggested Goodwin didn't mean it or that it was due to pressure. I interpret it as him saying Goodwin did mean it and he wanted to get it out so he was punished.

“So sometimes you say things you don’t mean, sometimes you say things to justify something and sometimes you say things you do mean because you want to get it out. That time, that was obviously the circumstance and he’s been sanctioned for it..."

[shetlandhibee]

I think LJ has chosen to rise above the nonsense and not lower himself to Goodwin's level and to me, that is commendable.

I interpret it differently to you. I don't think he suggested Goodwin didn't mean it or that it was due to pressure. I interpret it as him saying Goodwin did mean it and he wanted to get it out so he was punished.

“So sometimes you say things you don’t mean, sometimes you say things to justify something and sometimes you say things you do mean because you want to get it out. That time, that was obviously the circumstance and he’s been sanctioned for it...":top marks:agree:

[Donegal Hibby]

I think LJ has chosen to rise above the nonsense and not lower himself to Goodwin's level and to me, that is commendable.

I interpret it differently to you. I don't think he suggested Goodwin didn't mean it or that it was due to pressure. I interpret it as him saying Goodwin did mean it and he wanted to get it out so he was punished.

“So sometimes you say things you don’t mean, sometimes you say things to justify something and sometimes you say things you do mean because you want to get it out. That time, that was obviously the circumstance and he’s been sanctioned for it..."
Thanks mate , I've at last seen that I've misinterpreted what LJ said after looking at it again in a different article ,it was the " sometimes you say something that you don't mean " that threw me off track . Goodwin today has said he's learnt lessons and he wasn't very diplomatic about events even though two decisions went against his team, Now I got it wrong about Lee Johnson but I still think Goodwin's a Gobs***e if you want a debate there 👍😂

[Donegal Hibby]

Lee Johnson article about Porto facing Dons
https://news.stv.tv/sport/hibs-boss-lee-johnson-calls-on-ryan-porteous-to-keep-cool-head-against-aberdeen

[007]

Thanks mate , I've at last seen that I've misinterpreted what LJ said after looking at it again in a different article ,it was the " sometimes you say something that you don't mean " that threw me off track . Goodwin today has said he's learnt lessons and he wasn't very diplomatic about events even though two decisions went against his team, Now I got it wrong about Lee Johnson but I still think Goodwin's a Gobs***e if you want a debate there 👍😂

No problem. You'll get no debate from me over Goodwin being a gobs***e, unless it's over how big a gobs***e he is. Haven't seen the other article but those comment sound like he's trying to make out he's being contrite when he isn't really. No admission of being wrong or an apology for what he said, just that he now realises he should have phrased it differently. The SFA should have made it a condition of his punishment being reduced that he make a personal apology to Porteous in the centre circle before kick -off tomorrow night. 😀

[Sir David Gray]

I'm a Lee Johnson fan and do believe he's a good manager but I'm pretty disappointed in what he had to say about the Goodwin carry on , no point in trying to sugar coat it , he should have called it out for what it was when he got the chance , another manager totally out of order about one of his players , maybe it's just me that thinks this ?
https://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/hibs/hibs-manager-lee-johnson-on-the-jim-goodwin-ryan-porteous-factor-ahead-of-aberdeen-match-3903593

I don't necessarily think it was down to Lee Johnson to do it but I do believe that someone at Hibs should have publicly questioned the SFA's decision to reduce Goodwin's ban and I am a bit disappointed that hasn't happened.

There were no mitigating circumstances with what Goodwin said. He clearly called a fellow professional a cheat (which is bad enough) but he also said;

"I actually had a laugh and a joke with the referee prior to the game to make him aware of it. Unfortunately, just before half-time, he was sucked in hook, line and sinker."

That is an absolutely disgraceful thing to have admitted to and should have been viewed as an aggravating factor. This was not just a case of a manager calling an opponent a cheat, it was admitting to trying to put undue pressure on a match official which is quite frankly scandalous.

It's a pity no-one at the club has felt the need to come forward and ask for transparency from the SFA in the decision making process surrounding the appeal. When Goodwin got his original ban Aberdeen said they were awaiting the written report before logging their appeal so I would expect Hibs to be able to request the written reasons for why Goodwin's punishment has been reduced when he has called into question the integrity of one of our players.

I get the point of asking what good would that do and it's over and time to move on. But there's a bit of principle at stake here for me and I think we should be defending our player to the hilt.

[hibsbollah]

I don’t really have a strong opinion either way about our response to Goodwins treatment by the powers that be. But I do very much like the fact that we are developing a bit of needle with the sheep again, a team that I like not liking and who we are going to have outdo this season if we want that profitable 3rd place. We need to win as many battles as we possibly can.

[basehibby]

I haven't suggested he should be a whining manager but I do expect him to say it how it is though maybe that's asking to much I don't know anyhow it's been said that Lee Johnson been deplomatic and pouring oil over troubled waters on this matter by hinting Goodwin didn't mean it or he was under pressure which I think is awful soft for a manager that's attacked one our players and admitted trying to influence the referee , have Aberdeen or Goodwin been as deplomatic with a apologize to Hibs or porto ? No they haven't. Your right about HIBBYRADGE he makes a lot of good points about it but it just doesn't sit right with me what Johnson has said .Again I will say I'm a fan of LJ but have lost a bit of respect for him over this I'd have rather he said nothing than make excuses for the cretin Jim Goodwin over his outburst. Matters now closed as it's in the past and everyone else is relatively happy with LJ comments

Usually very much in line with your thoughts DH. Not on this occasion though. JG has been tried, convicted and will continue his punishment tomorrow in the stand against Hibs. Nothing to be gained from dragging out the anger - by the magnanimous display of sympathy, its nevertheless implied that Goodwin is GUILTY AS SIN and fully deserves his albeit reigned in punishment. Hopefully he'll learn his lesson the poor dolt.

[Donegal Hibby]

I don't necessarily think it was down to Lee Johnson to do it but I do believe that someone at Hibs should have publicly questioned the SFA's decision to reduce Goodwin's ban and I am a bit disappointed that hasn't happened.

There were no mitigating circumstances with what Goodwin said. He clearly called a fellow professional a cheat (which is bad enough) but he also said;

"I actually had a laugh and a joke with the referee prior to the game to make him aware of it. Unfortunately, just before half-time, he was sucked in hook, line and sinker."

That is an absolutely disgraceful thing to have admitted to and should have been viewed as an aggravating factor. This was not just a case of a manager calling an opponent a cheat, it was admitting to trying to put undue pressure on a match official which is quite frankly scandalous.

It's a pity no-one at the club has felt the need to come forward and ask for transparency from the SFA in the decision making process surrounding the appeal. When Goodwin got his original ban Aberdeen said they were awaiting the written report before logging their appeal so I would expect Hibs to be able to request the written reasons for why Goodwin's punishment has been reduced when he has called into question the integrity of one of our players.

I get the point of asking what good would that do and it's over and time to move on. But there's a bit of principle at stake here for me and I think we should be defending our player to the hilt.
I got it wrong earlier in my interpretation of the Johnson article . I agree that someone at club should have publicly questioned SFA over reducing ban on Goodwin for what was a scandalous attack on our player and with Goodwin admitting trying to influence the referee before the game now he's coming out today saying he's delighted it's reduced and still going on about two decisions that went against them and yet there's no word of apology from him or Aberdeen to our player or club . Just goes to show the two are made for one another , horrible club ,with horrible individual in charge. SFA lost there bottle on this too I feel.

https://www.heraldscotland.com/sport/23100146.aberdeen-boss-jim-goodwin-taught-lesson-two-ryan-porteous-saga/

[Hibbyradge]

It's not up to the clubs to question the severity of punishments handed down to anyone other than our own players and officials.

In any case, if it had been a 5 week ban in the first place, no-one would be particularly bothered that it wasn't severe enough.

[CentreLine]

I think
LJ covered all the bases when he was interviewed after Goowin’s comments and basically said if you have slow or inadequate player in your side we are going to target them because we know they have to resort to fouling. That’s why we get fouls and penalties.

[Donegal Hibby]

Lee Johnson saying Boyle 50 / 50 chance of making game . Nisbet could play but they probably would risk him

[007]

I got it wrong earlier in my interpretation of the Johnson article . I agree that someone at club should have publicly questioned SFA over reducing ban on Goodwin for what was a scandalous attack on our player and with Goodwin admitting trying to influence the referee before the game now he's coming out today saying he's delighted it's reduced and still going on about two decisions that went against them and yet there's no word of apology from him or Aberdeen to our player or club . Just goes to show the two are made for one another , horrible club ,with horrible individual in charge. SFA lost there bottle on this too I feel.

https://www.heraldscotland.com/sport/23100146.aberdeen-boss-jim-goodwin-taught-lesson-two-ryan-porteous-saga/

Sounds like he's planning to try and circumvent his ban by doing the half-time team talk over Zoom.

"Half-time is probably the biggest impact because it’s those 15 minutes when if you want to drum home a message, that’s probably the biggest difficulty of the situation.
It’s not something we’re going to make excuses about because I’ve got great levels of communication and IT equipment available if I feel the need to speak to the guys in the dressing room.”

[Paulie Walnuts]

Lee Johnson saying Boyle 50 / 50 chance of making game . Nisbet could play but they probably would risk him

I’d be surprised to see Nisbet before the World Cup. Seems pointless bringing him back in now.

[ancient hibee]

Hi
I don't necessarily think it was down to Lee Johnson to do it but I do believe that someone at Hibs should have publicly questioned the SFA's decision to reduce Goodwin's ban and I am a bit disappointed that hasn't happened.

There were no mitigating circumstances with what Goodwin said. He clearly called a fellow professional a cheat (which is bad enough) but he also said;

"I actually had a laugh and a joke with the referee prior to the game to make him aware of it. Unfortunately, just before half-time, he was sucked in hook, line and sinker."

That is an absolutely disgraceful thing to have admitted to and should have been viewed as an aggravating factor. This was not just a case of a manager calling an opponent a cheat, it was admitting to trying to put undue pressure on a match official which is quite frankly scandalous.

It's a pity no-one at the club has felt the need to come forward and ask for transparency from the SFA in the decision making process surrounding the appeal. When Goodwin got his original ban Aberdeen said they were awaiting the written report before logging their appeal so I would expect Hibs to be able to request the written reasons for why Goodwin's punishment has been reduced when he has called into question the integrity of one of our players.

I get the point of asking what good would that do and it's over and time to move on. But there's a bit of principle at stake here for me and I think we should be defending our player to the hilt.
The SFA did the right thing and gave Goodwin a long suspension. The appeal is not Heard by the SFA,that would be marking your own homework,but by an independent panel and the SFA has no control over what they do.

[Donegal Hibby]

I’d be surprised to see Nisbet before the World Cup. Seems pointless bringing him back in now.
They probably won't but he needs 90 minutes according to what's being said maybe a bounce game though

[Sir David Gray]

Hi
The SFA did the right thing and gave Goodwin a long suspension. The appeal is not Heard by the SFA,that would be marking your own homework,but by an independent panel and the SFA has no control over what they do.

The SFA will presumably be in possession of the written reasons as to why the appeal was partially upheld and they were the ones who announced the decision so that's all I was meaning by saying they should offer a public explanation.

[worcesterhibby]

Good quote from LJ when asked about it by STV...

"When asked whether it was right that there was some consequence to his comments, Johnson said: “Listen, it’s not my place to say. The rules are there for a reason. The SFA have those committees to discuss moments like that. I have been on the receiving end of that myself, by the way, down in England.“And it’s a passionate game. We all care about the game. There’s a right and a wrong way to do it but I’m not the man to judge that.”

[WhileTheChief..]

Couldn’t care less how long another manager is banned for.

No one rates Goodwin as a manager anyways so it shouldn’t make any difference if he’s in the dugout or not.

[JimBHibees]

Sounds like he's planning to try and circumvent his ban by doing the half-time team talk over Zoom.

"Half-time is probably the biggest impact because it’s those 15 minutes when if you want to drum home a message, that’s probably the biggest difficulty of the situation.
It’s not something we’re going to make excuses about because I’ve got great levels of communication and IT equipment available if I feel the need to speak to the guys in the dressing room.”

Looks like his suspended games might be coming into play if he does that imo.

[Scottie]

Absolute dross tonight Lee. The VAR decision will be the main focus but wtf are we trying to achieve. 4 losses out of 5 not good enough whatever way you try and dress it up.

[berwickhibee]

Manager is struggling badly, talks well but doesn't get the results.

Defensively fragile.

Big game for him Tuesday, needs 3 points.

Worryingly I don't see any improvements.

We need to be horrible to play against, at present we are the opposite.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Manager is struggling badly, talks well but doesn't get the results.

Defensively fragile.

Big game for him Tuesday, needs 3 points.

Worryingly I don't see any improvements.

We need to be horrible to play against, at present we are the opposite.

This is where I see him struggling now.

We’ve had enough bad results already that he’s quite frequently getting into ‘has to win next game’ territory.

That’s not a good place to be in unfortunately.

[The Baldmans Comb]

An utter gubbing and capitulation though hopefully the manager will grow a pair and condemn the VAR decision as he should be rightly praised for setting the team up very well in the first half until VAR destroyed all his preparatory work.

Thereafter the shambles unfolded and yet again he froze and he was totally lost as to how try to alter the tactics and try to get back into the game.

He hasn't changed from the day he walked in the door with his disrespect of Scottish football and laughed at the league cup by playing expiremental teams and tonight as ever he hadn't bothered to develop a plan if the team went behind.

At least he warned us in advance by saying we should accept a few heavy defeats along the way.

Mind boggling stuff as what successful football manager has this sort of mind set.🤬🤬

[GRA]

I'm worried. We've dominated 4 of the last 5 games. But come away with only 3 points. It seems as if in these games when we've been on top the team gets the stuffing knocked out of them at key times (red card or questionable decisions). Rather than face the adversity head on they collapse. Lee needs to sort that ASAP.

[thebausburst]

Don’t see Hibs sacking him unless we get relegated tbh, gave him lots of reassurances he’d be supported following 2 previous sackings.

[WhileTheChief..]

Don’t see how Tuesday is a must win at all?

Same as tonight, if we lose, we just move on to the next one and hope to pick up a win soon.

Way too early to describe any game as must win. Plenty of games to make up any ground we lose between now and January.

[Heisenberg]

Don’t see Hibs sacking him unless we get relegated tbh, gave him lots of reassurances he’d be supported following 2 previous sackings.

Exactly my view. He’s going nowhere unless it’s looking like a total disaster. He’ll get time. I’d say there are clear improvements from the Maloney Hibs side although our main weakness is still in front of goal. Loads of strikers in the squad and we just don’t put teams away often enough, there are chances being created too.

[coldingham hibs]

Don’t see how Tuesday is ,just win at all?

Same as tonight, if we lose, we just move on to the next one and hope to pick up a win soon.

Way too early to describe any game as must win. Plenty of games to make up any ground we lose between now and January.

Every game should be played as a ‘must win’ otherwise there’s no point in playing.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Don’t see how Tuesday is a must win at all?

Same as tonight, if we lose, we just move on to the next one and hope to pick up a win soon.

Way too early to describe any game as must win. Plenty of games to make up any ground we lose between now and January.

If we lose 5 of 6 he’ll start to lose support. So from that respect, it’s must win so that doesn’t happen.

[Tyler Durden]

We need to ditch this back 3 asap. Bar the Celtic game we looked a lot better defensively with a 4.

[Sir David Gray]

Don’t see how Tuesday is a must win at all?

Same as tonight, if we lose, we just move on to the next one and hope to pick up a win soon.

Way too early to describe any game as must win. Plenty of games to make up any ground we lose between now and January.

I'd say a game at home to Ross County, who are bottom of the league, is in the must win territory if we're serious about 3rd place. We've lost that spot again after tonight so I thibk it's games like that which are really vital that we win.

[JamesHFC]

I don't think we are playing bad at all. Quite confident going into Tuesday. We battered Killie the last time we played them and should have scored more so I fancy us to win that one too.

International break to get Nisbet & McGeady up to full fitness then come back firing in December.

[J-C]

I think Jonhson has to be careful he doesn't start losing the confidence from the team. Chopping from 443 to 352, unusual team selection seems to be just fit players in. He's had a go at them already, after a few bollocking they start to not listen, see Lennon's reign.

[AL-Qaholik]

I think Jonhson has to be careful he doesn't start losing the confidence from the team. Chopping from 443 to 352, unusual team selection seems to be just fit players in. He's had a go at them already, after a few bollocking they start to not listen, see Lennon's reign.

Agreed. We should play 443 every single week!

[The_Exile]

We are so inconsistent. Half of me thinks we will give Ross County a pumping because we're more than capable, the other half of me thinks Ross County will be thinking "Jeez it's tough just now, but don't worry troops we've got the Hibs next".

[Sir David Gray]

I think Jonhson has to be careful he doesn't start losing the confidence from the team. Chopping from 443 to 352, unusual team selection seems to be just fit players in. He's had a go at them already, after a few bollocking they start to not listen, see Lennon's reign.

Let's try 443, I fully support that.

[bingo70]

Manager is struggling badly, talks well but doesn't get the results.

Defensively fragile.

Big game for him Tuesday, needs 3 points.

Worryingly I don't see any improvements.

We need to be horrible to play against, at present we are the opposite.

You don’t see any improvements comparing us to when?

If you’re saying you don’t see any improvements in us since last season then you’re at it.

[Basildon Hibs]

Every game should be played as a ‘must win’ otherwise there’s no point in playing.

👍

[Hibs90]

Let's try 443, I fully support that.

Still wouldn't take our chances

[WhileTheChief..]

Every game should be played as a ‘must win’ otherwise there’s no point in playing.

Aye very good :rolleyes:

Why is 'must win' even a saying in football then?

If you don't see the point being made thats' on you.

[silverhibee]

Don’t see how Tuesday is a must win at all?

Same as tonight, if we lose, we just move on to the next one and hope to pick up a win soon.

Way too early to describe any game as must win. Plenty of games to make up any ground we lose between now and January.

It’s a must win. :aok:

[Basildon Hibs]

Don’t see Hibs sacking him unless we get relegated tbh, gave him lots of reassurances he’d be supported following 2 previous sackings.

I do. There's no sentiment in business - especially when Yanks are the boss...😉

[WhileTheChief..]

If we lose 5 of 6 he’ll start to lose support. So from that respect, it’s must win so that doesn’t happen.

From who? And is there such a big gap between losing 4/5 or 5/6 that somehow we'll all turn on him?

You're guessing, unless you're speaking for yourself? Which I doubt!

We'll still be wanting him to him every game if we lose the next 3 on the bounce.

[bingo70]

I'd say a game at home to Ross County, who are bottom of the league, is in the must win territory if we're serious about 3rd place. We've lost that spot again after tonight so I thibk it's games like that which are really vital that we win.

I know we’ve had our disagreements about this so I’m not saying this just to be argumentative but I agree with you and the other poster re Tuesday. We really do need to be winning that game but it’s not the same as a must win game…..

The reason I think that is the league is so tight, we could quite easily go on a long winning run later in the season whilst all other teams take points off each other.

I think it’s worth remembering that although we want to be 3rd when the league breaks for the World Cup there’s still a lot of football to be played after it. I just want us to be hanging in there for when we finally start turning possession and chances into goals and wins. IMO that’ll happen when McGeady and Nisbet return.

[B.H.F.C]

I don't think we are playing bad at all. Quite confident going into Tuesday. We battered Killie the last time we played them and should have scored more so I fancy us to win that one too.

International break to get Nisbet & McGeady up to full fitness then come back firing in December.

We knock it about nicely but we are weak in the important areas of the park.

Very low on quality.

[Hiber-nation]

I don't think we are playing bad at all. Quite confident going into Tuesday. We battered Killie the last time we played them and should have scored more so I fancy us to win that one too.

International break to get Nisbet & McGeady up to full fitness then come back firing in December.

Totally agree. Some crazy stuff on here tonight.

[loanheadhibby]

I know we’ve had our disagreements about this so I’m not saying this just to be argumentative but I agree with you and the other poster re Tuesday. We really do need to be winning that game but it’s not the same as a must win game…..

The reason I think that is the league is so tight, we could quite easily go on a long winning run later in the season whilst all other teams take points off each other.

I think it’s worth remembering that although we want to be 3rd when the league breaks for the World Cup there’s still a lot of football to be played after it. I just want us to be hanging in there for when we finally start turning possession and chances into goals and wins. IMO that’ll happen when McGeady and Nisbet return.
Do you really think we could go on a long winning run later in the season?
Like yourself I'm looking forward to Nisbet returning but don't forget he was hardly pulling up any trees before his injury.

[Basildon Hibs]

I know we’ve had our disagreements about this so I’m not saying this just to be argumentative but I agree with you and the other poster re Tuesday. We really do need to be winning that game but it’s not the same as a must win game…..

The reason I think that is the league is so tight, we could quite easily go on a long winning run later in the season whilst all other teams take points off each other.

I think it’s worth remembering that although we want to be 3rd when the league breaks for the World Cup there’s still a lot of football to be played after it. I just want us to be hanging in there for when we finally start turning possession and chances into goals and wins. IMO that’ll happen when McGeady and Nisbet return.

'for when we finally start turning possession and chances into goals and wins.'

How long have we been waiting on that happening...? 😉

[scuttle]

We need to ditch this back 3 asap. Bar the Celtic game we looked a lot better defensively with a 4.

This 100%, stuck with 3 centre backs all game . As soon as we went two down he should have took one off for a more forward thinking player

[BoomtownHibees]

Totally agree. Some crazy stuff on here tonight.

We’ve just been pumped 4-1. A few weeks after being pumped 6-1. And 4 defeats in 5, no sure what you expect

[Crunchie]

Don’t see how Tuesday is a must win at all?

Same as tonight, if we lose, we just move on to the next one and hope to pick up a win soon.

Way too early to describe any game as must win. Plenty of games to make up any ground we lose between now and January.
Yup, the bedwetters are out in force again, whatever happened to taking it on the chin and moving on.

[bingo70]

Do you really think we could go on a long winning run later in the season?
Like yourself I'm looking forward to Nisbet returning but don't forget he was hardly pulling up any trees before his injury.

We did earlier in the season so why not later in the season?

[A Hi-Bee]

I'm worried. We've dominated 4 of the last 5 games. But come away with only 3 points. It seems as if in these games when we've been on top the team gets the stuffing knocked out of them at key times (red card or questionable decisions). Rather than face the adversity head on they collapse. Lee needs to sort that ASAP.

He spoke about the mentality at Hibs and most on here scoffed and said what a load o pish, he is right we are soft as sheite and it needs to change, or we go nowhere fast. Only Europe they will see will be when they go on holidays. In saying that L.J. has to start getting some wins for us to see some progress.

[Donegal Hibby]

Totally agree. Some crazy stuff on here tonight.
Can't believe the reactions from some on here , one week we are great , next week everything's awful . Actually thought we looked better than them till that awful penalty decision . 61 % possession , shots/on 17/6 .Aberdeen 31% possession , shots/on 8/6 .

[BoomtownHibees]

Can't believe the reactions from some on here , one week we are great , next week everything's awful . Actually thought we looked better than them till that awful penalty decision . 61 % possession , shots/on 17/6 .Aberdeen 31% possession , shots/on 8/6 .

Goals:

Aberdeen 4
Hibs 1

[Sir David Gray]

I know we’ve had our disagreements about this so I’m not saying this just to be argumentative but I agree with you and the other poster re Tuesday. We really do need to be winning that game but it’s not the same as a must win game…..

The reason I think that is the league is so tight, we could quite easily go on a long winning run later in the season whilst all other teams take points off each other.

I think it’s worth remembering that although we want to be 3rd when the league breaks for the World Cup there’s still a lot of football to be played after it. I just want us to be hanging in there for when we finally start turning possession and chances into goals and wins. IMO that’ll happen when McGeady and Nisbet return.

If we don't win on Tuesday and Aberdeen beat Livingston we'll go 5 points behind them. I honestly think we're approaching the point where that sort of gap would be pretty insurmountable.

After Tuesday 3 of our next 5 matches are against Rangers (away), Celtic (home) and Hearts (away). I don't think it's too defeatist to say that we'll be doing well to get any more than 1 point from those games so it starts to become a bit problematic.

That's the point I was making before, the more points we drop to the smaller teams means there's more pressure on us to pick up points in the harder games when we fall behind in the race for 3rd spot and you're always chasing your tail.

I think Tuesday is a massively important match for us for a whole host of reasons.

[A Hi-Bee]

Can't believe the reactions from some on here , one week we are great , next week everything's awful . Actually thought we looked better than them till that awful penalty decision . 61 % possession , shots/on 17/6 .Aberdeen 31% possession , shots/on 8/6 .

What wis the final score?

[loanheadhibby]

We did earlier in the season so why not later in the season?

Because we play the old firm, we’re never likely to go on a long winning run. 3 or 4 games possibly. Too many defeats creeping in to LJ tenure. And some heavy defeats to boot.

[Spike Mandela]

We’re just not scoring enough goals respective to our possession and shots at goal.

Lee needs to sort this.

[blackpoolhibs]

I'd say a game at home to Ross County, who are bottom of the league, is in the must win territory if we're serious about 3rd place. We've lost that spot again after tonight so I thibk it's games like that which are really vital that we win.

We are never seriously going to compete for 3rd place with these imposters in the team, we will capitulate many many more times this season with that powder puff midfield and attack.

Throw in a defence that loses goal you see in under 10s football, 3rd place is not an option this season.

[AL-Qaholik]

If (and it’s a big if) we end up in the bottom half at the break, I think he’ll be out.

[B.H.F.C]

We are never seriously going to compete for 3rd place with these imposters in the team, we will capitulate many many more times this season with that powder puff midfield and attack.

Throw in a defence that loses goal you see in under 10s football, 3rd place is not an option this season.

They’re all cracking players when they’re a goal or two up. Something goes against them, game over.

[Jones28]

If (and it’s a big if) we end up in the bottom half at the break, I think he’ll be out.

The break as in the one in a few weeks? For the World Cup?


You’re off your rocker.

[OstKurve Hibs]

Don’t see how Tuesday is a must win at all?

Same as tonight, if we lose, we just move on to the next one and hope to pick up a win soon.

Way too early to describe any game as must win. Plenty of games to make up any ground we lose between now and January.

Your taking the piss right ? When are games a must win then? When we are trying to scrape top 6 ?

[B.H.F.C]

The break as in the one in a few weeks? For the World Cup?


You’re off your rocker.

Not saying he should be sacked but anything less than six points and he’s under pressure. Especially given our fixtures when we come back.

We won’t finish third now. We’ve missed a great chance in the last few weeks to get ourselves in to a good position and, truth be told, it’s because we’re not good enough.

The manner of our defeats away from home has been disgusting.

[Bobby's Cinema]

Sorry but look at the stats. The manager has got the team set-up controlling games in the main and is getting the best out of several players.
Not alot he can do though from the sidelines about the goals and individual errors we seen tonight.

[B.H.F.C]

Sorry but look at the stats. The manager has got the team set-up controlling games in the main and is getting the best out of several players.
Not alot he can do from the sidelines about the goals and individual errors we seen tonight.

The stats mean heehaw. Apart from one.

He didn’t react, again, when we were struggling. 3-0 before a sub was made.

[Basildon Hibs]

The stats mean heehaw. Apart from one.

He didn’t react, again, when we were struggling. 3-0 before a sub was made.

👍

[Sergio sledge]

If we don't win on Tuesday and Aberdeen beat Livingston we'll go 5 points behind them. I honestly think we're approaching the point where that sort of gap would be pretty insurmountable.

After Tuesday 3 of our next 5 matches are against Rangers (away), Celtic (home) and Hearts (away). I don't think it's too defeatist to say that we'll be doing well to get any more than 1 point from those games so it starts to become a bit problematic.

That's the point I was making before, the more points we drop to the smaller teams means there's more pressure on us to pick up points in the harder games when we fall behind in the race for 3rd spot and you're always chasing your tail.

I think Tuesday is a massively important match for us for a whole host of reasons.

You think that a 5 point gap with 24 games left is insurmountable? We could catch that up in 2 weeks, how can you say that's insurmountable? Maybe if we had 3-4 games left you'd be justified in saying that, but not 24 games. Madness.

The difference between us and Aberdeen is that they take their chances and we don't. That's all. I hope LJ has the players in working overtime on their finishing during the World Cup break. Get that sorted and we'll be challenging for 3rd.

[blackpoolhibs]

Sorry but look at the stats. The manager has got the team set-up controlling games in the main and is getting the best out of several players.
Not alot he can do from the sidelines about the goals and individual errors we seen tonight.

Nah, its his job to get the team to win, and its not happening enough for the amount of possesion we have.

Now i think he needs time, probably a couple more windows, but we really do need to start signing quality players for positions we are weak in, that midfield is too weak for a start, and up front we need to convert chances into goals.

It's alright passing the ball around each other until we get near the final 3rd, but the lack of cutting edge is so obvious.

Boy band are back again, without any songs.

[Hibees1973]

Sorry but look at the stats. The manager has got the team set-up controlling games in the main and is getting the best out of several players.
Not alot he can do though from the sidelines about the goals and individual errors we seen tonight.

Other teams are happy for us to have the ball cos we are so powder puff in and around the box.

They then just pick us off on the break or crosses into the box where our defence is weak.

Possession stats count for nowt unless you are Man City.

[Bobby's Cinema]

The stats mean heehaw. Apart from one.

He didn’t react, again, when we were struggling. 3-0 before a sub was made.
Yes but the manager can only set us up and get us playing in a style that gives us the best chance of winning games. We continue to control possession and create chances but not put them away. And then you have the criminal goals we lose tonight from switching off and individual errors. The manager can't do alot with that.

Down to the players to take ownership defending the goal and show composure and a clinical edge up front.

[A Hi-Bee]

Nah, its his job to get the team to win, and its not happening enough for the amount of possesion we have.

Now i think he needs time, probably a couple more windows, but we really do need to start signing quality players for positions we are weak in, that midfield is too weak for a start, and up front we need to convert chances into goals.

It's alright passing the ball around each other until we get near the final 3rd, but the lack of cutting edge is so obvious.

Boy band are back again, without any songs.

So, Take That!
:greengrin

[Bobby's Cinema]

Other teams are happy for us to have the ball cos we are so powder puff in and around the box.

They then just pick us off on the break or crosses into the box where our defence is weak.

Possession stats count for nowt unless you are Man City.
I understand that. The thread is about the manager. In my opinion this is on the players.

[bingo70]

The stats mean heehaw. Apart from one.

He didn’t react, again, when we were struggling. 3-0 before a sub was made.

In a one off game you’re right, stats ultimately don’t mean anything. They do however give a bit guidance to the bigger picture. If we have stats like we had today and in the game against Dundee Utd recently is another example then it’s fair to expect things to turn around at some point.

I’d be far more concerned if we were getting beat but having 35% possession, no shots on goal and generally looked *****. Ultimately both would yield 0 points but it would be clear nothing would change.

The way we’re playing just now, even in defeat, it’s clear IMO that it’s a matter of time until things turn around for us. IMO that’s why there’s a relevance to the stats tonight.

[Donegal Hibby]

What wis the final score?
Aye we both know the score ok ? But we were the better team first half until a absolutely horrendous decision went against us , we have dominated possession shots and I just don't think we were as bad as the score line suggests .last week the same posters that's calling our team , manager all the horrible and negative posts tonight were singing there praises and saying how good things were . So in the space of a week we have become from very good to Absolute s***e . OTT reaction again and pampers nappies badly needed on here again.

[Ozyhibby]

We’re just not scoring enough goals respective to our possession and shots at goal.

Lee needs to sort this.

Never going to sort it with that midfield. Zero creativity.


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[Mutu]

I understand that. The thread is about the manager. In my opinion this is on the players.

yep.

Sounds like we were the better side in the first half, complete capitulation in the second. This is absolutely a trend with this group of players which will take time to rectify by multiple rounds of recruitment exercises.

Manager has my full backing.

[Unseen work]

The first half went exactly how I thought it would go with our starting eleven.

Dominated the game without making loads of clear chances, a couple of half chances of getting in good positions without having the final ball.

Penalty killed us and second half we came out fired up and it was almost like the players thought attack 100mph and forget about the defensive side.

Some really poor goals to concede but I struggle blaming Johnson.

Also, Rocky was fantastic again.

[MagicSwirlingShip]

'for when we finally start turning possession and chances into goals and wins.'

How long have we been waiting on that happening...? 😉

Since we last had a 2 strikers on the pitch at once? Hate watching Hibs with one striker, can’t remember many times it’s worked.

[WhileTheChief..]

Your taking the piss right ? When are games a must win then? When we are trying to scrape top 6 ?

Must win would be 2 points off 3rd going into the last game of the season. A cup tie, a relegation battle with only a few games to go or similar.

In no way can a mid-table, mid-season game against Ross Co be described as must win. It's BS.

What happens if we don't?

Bugger all, that's what. Nothing will change and we'll hope to pick up a point in our next game.

[bingo70]

Other teams are happy for us to have the ball cos we are so powder puff in and around the box.

They then just pick us off on the break or crosses into the box where our defence is weak.

Possession stats count for nowt unless you are Man City.

That’s not what’s happened though.

We had a lot more possession and were much more dangerous than Aberdeen tonight until that ludicrous VAR decision at half time. There’s no way they just conceded possession to us in the first half.

St Johnstone we were battering them until Magennis got sent off, again, no way they just let us half the ball.

Dundee Utd we absolutely hammered them and a ridiculous decision to rule out our goal cost us, again, no way did they just choose to let us have the ball and pick us off.

What you describe is probably a fairer reflection to our high possession stats under Maloney but it’s nonsense if looking into our recent poor run of results.

I’ve left the Celtic game out for obvious reasons.

[Greenio]

I've learned to ignore the flappy overreacting that goes on after every defeat.

Its just attention seeking imo

[Stokesy's on fire]

Losing to dross like Aberdeen is proof we need a proper manager in

[B.H.F.C]

In a one off game you’re right, stats ultimately don’t mean anything. They do however give a bit guidance to the bigger picture. If we have stats like we had today and in the game against Dundee Utd recently is another example then it’s fair to expect things to turn around at some point.

I’d be far more concerned if we were getting beat but having 35% possession, no shots on goal and generally looked *****. Ultimately both would yield 0 points but it would be clear nothing would change.

The way we’re playing just now, even in defeat, it’s clear IMO that it’s a matter of time until things turn around for us. IMO that’s why there’s a relevance to the stats tonight.

Stats are favourable for us in most games. But the outcome isn’t.

If I was setting up to play against Hibs I’d let them have the ball because they’ll rarely hurt you. Loads of shots tonight but how many actual clear cut chances.

I don’t think things are going to turn, we’re not good enough at either end of the park. Other teams don’t need 17 shots to score against us. Aberdeen got 4 from 6 on target tonight.

[blackpoolhibs]

That’s not what’s happened though.

We had a lot more possession and were much more dangerous than Aberdeen tonight until that ludicrous VAR decision at half time. There’s no way they just conceded possession to us in the first half.

St Johnstone we were battering them until Magennis got sent off, again, no way they just let us half the ball.

Dundee Utd we absolutely hammered them and a ridiculous decision to rule out our goal cost us, again, no way did they just choose to let us have the ball and pick us off.

What you describe is probably a fairer reflection to our high possession stats under Maloney but it’s nonsense if looking into our recent poor run of results.

I’ve left the Celtic game out for obvious reasons.

I'm sure i saw the stats at half time which said 50.5% to the sheep. we were 49.5%

Their keeper never had a save to make in the first half.

[Wheat Hound]

I'm sure i saw the stats at half time which said 50.5% to the sheep. we were 49.5%

Their keeper never had a save to make in the first half.

Well thats not true. Hendersons header? Marshall didnt have a save to make pre penalty.

[blackpoolhibs]

Well thats not true. Hendersons header? Marshall didnt have a save to make pre penalty.

You are right, i forgot about the header straight at him.

[bingo70]

Well thats not true. Hendersons header? Marshall didnt have a save to make pre penalty.

That’s not true either though 😉

Aberdeen had the best chance of the game when their boy rounded out keeper courageously managed not to dive and then Cabreja cleared it off the line.

[Libby Hibby]

We were all over the place tonight. Caught hook, line and sinker by Aberdeens tactics.

[Sir David Gray]

You think that a 5 point gap with 24 games left is insurmountable? We could catch that up in 2 weeks, how can you say that's insurmountable? Maybe if we had 3-4 games left you'd be justified in saying that, but not 24 games. Madness.

The difference between us and Aberdeen is that they take their chances and we don't. That's all. I hope LJ has the players in working overtime on their finishing during the World Cup break. Get that sorted and we'll be challenging for 3rd.

No I'm saying that after Tuesday's game we then have 3 of the next 5 against Rangers, Celtic and Hearts, if we go 5 points behind Aberdeen on Tuesday there's not a huge opportunity for us to close that gap over the next 5 games.

Once we've played Hearts we'll have played 20 league matches, if we're around 8-10 points behind at that stage I think history suggests it's very unlikely that we would be turning that around.

Tuesday is a pivotal moment in our season and we must win no matter what.

[CMac1988]

I think Lee's arguably getting the best out of the players he has given the style he wants to play. It's clear he has the team doing everything he wants them to do and it's the style of football we actively think Hibs should be playing, but I don't think we've got the quality to get much more out of it. We might see a small improvement when McGeady and Nisbet get back in the team and that might be the difference as that'll take the pressure of Boyle (when he's playing) and to some extent Kukharevych.

Interestingly I'd argue we'd be better off playing the same stuffy football that most teams produce in the league and using our pace to counter. It's crap and boring and ultimately not what I want but until we bring in players who have proven track records we'll continue to struggle against most teams in this league. We're trying to play like Celtic without the quality needed to convert our chances. Our defence gets made to look amateur far too often and our midfield are so inconsistent that the one who gets it tight more than most is probably our best midfielder. For all the grief he got for his mistake Newell was still better than Henderson and Magennis over the course of the game. That's out biggest issue. Our best players make the odd mistake and we get heavily punished when they do. The rest only show up from time to time. If we want to keep playing like this and getting results more.often than not then are transfer windows need to improve.

[Hibbyradge]

That’s not true either though 😉

Aberdeen had the best chance of the game when their boy rounded out keeper courageously managed not to dive and then Cabreja cleared it off the line.

Marshall didn't have to save that, though.

[MrRobot]

Losing to dross like Aberdeen is proof we need a proper manager in

**** me man. this place is as dramatic as it is pathetic.

[JohnM1875]

**** me man. this place is as dramatic as it is pathetic.

It's mental!

[A Hi-Bee]

Losing to dross like Aberdeen is proof we need a proper manager in

When, should we get another one in, or do you mean we need 2 managers?

[SON OF PADDY]

**** me man. this place is as dramatic as it is pathetic.


Bedwetting of the highest order !

[Donegal Hibby]

**** me man. this place is as dramatic as it is pathetic.
What a difference a week can make? 🤔

[heretoday]

We're so shi it's unbelievable.

[B.H.F.C]

Bedwetting of the highest order !

Most of the folk giving it this kind of chat probably not spent a fortune going up to Aberdeen on a Friday night.

Being majorly short changed away from home.

[JohnM1875]

Most of the folk giving it this kind of chat probably not spent a fortune going up to Aberdeen on a Friday night.

Being majorly short changed away from home.

Then it's probably your first time doing the trip in a while? We've been ***** up there for years

[BoomtownHibees]

Then it's probably your first time doing the trip in a while? We've been ***** up there for years

Makes it alright then

[Donegal Hibby]

Lee Johnson after match . Goodwin's is on it too 'what a D **khead he is !
https://www.bbc.com/sport/av/football/63523001

[B.H.F.C]

Then it's probably your first time doing the trip in a while? We've been ***** up there for years

Na it’s no.

Saw it last season when we capitulated after Porteous was sent off.

The season before (that fans were allowed to go) when we capitulated after Whittaker was sent off.

Too many of the same players continue to let us down in the same circumstances.players that are the core of the team.

[One Day Soon]

No I'm saying that after Tuesday's game we then have 3 of the next 5 against Rangers, Celtic and Hearts, if we go 5 points behind Aberdeen on Tuesday there's not a huge opportunity for us to close that gap over the next 5 games.

Once we've played Hearts we'll have played 20 league matches, if we're around 8-10 points behind at that stage I think history suggests it's very unlikely that we would be turning that around.

Tuesday is a pivotal moment in our season and we must win no matter what.

I think that is pretty much an incontestable argument.

[JohnM1875]

Makes it alright then

Doesn't make losing up there a shock or an embarrassment.

First 45 was as well as we've played all season. We ended up losing 4-1.

We beat them at Easter Road earlier on in the season and it could have easily been the same score in our favour

[JohnM1875]

Na it’s no.

Saw it last season when we capitulated after Porteous was sent off.

The season before (that fans were allowed to go) when we capitulated after Whittaker was sent off.

Too many of the same players continue to let us down in the same circumstances.players that are the core of the team.

Sorry man didn't mean to take shots at you or any other fan that spends their money supporting the team away from home, I genuinely have nothing but respect for those that do.

Just meant I won't personally be surprised at losing up there these days. Sad as that is.

[RossScott1991]

Think we are heading in the right direction under LJ.

We will give a team a doing soon. But along way we are going to take a few ourselves such is the style and openness of his teams. Sunderland fans said it at time when we appointed him, you can win 3/4 nil one week then lose 5.0 the next.

We are very soft, I’d love to see us go for Jason Kerr at Wigan who are in financial difficulty, because the CB we’ve had for about 13 years now continues to be one of the softest of the lot

[Spike Mandela]

Think we are heading in the right direction under LJ.

We will give a team a doing soon. But along way we are going to take a few ourselves such is the style and openness of his teams. Sunderland fans said it at time when we appointed him, you can win 3/4 nil one week then lose 5.0 the next.

We are very soft, I’d love to see us go for Jason Kerr at Wigan who are in financial difficulty, because the CB we’ve had for about 13 years now continues to be one of the softest of the lot

It is very frustrating. If Lee’s attacking style was leading to loads of goals and us narrowly losing 4-3 or something it might be easier to stomach but losing 4-1 to a very mediocre Aberdeen is disappointing.