Shaun Maloney - Style of play

[Ronniekirk]

Good point. 3 clean sheets in the last 5 games though

Which makes the loss of three at home to Livi all the more baffling although he brought Porto back in and had to bring Rocky on and they had t played together and Mcginn had to go
Off so maybe all that unsettled them coupled with Marcus mistake


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[jacomo]

Or the players that we were after arent available. Sometimes you don't get what you want and have to continue with what you have. We could Butcher it and tell the current players they are all useless.

The fact that we signed a couple of players no one even had a single rumour about suggests that people arent as in the know as they think they are, and just because there wasn't a rumour about a midfielder doesn't mean we didn't try to sign one.


In midfield, we aren’t going with what we had. We’ve let two go and not replaced them.

I don’t think either Hallberg or Gogic are all that, but we are clearly weaker if the choice is having them available or not having that option or any other.

[J-C]

[Puts hand out to shake on this one]

:)

🤝

[Skol]

That was a big improvement and something to build on. Think that was close to our strongest team.

[The Modfather]

We’re still very Jeckyl & Hyde, and can only sustain a high level for 45 mins before a drop off it seems. However the first half against Livi and the first 30 - 40 minutes last night were a positive glimpse into the future under Maloney once he makes it his own squad and we address the deficiencies in the squad IMO.

More performances like last night and the first 45 mins against Livi as Maloneys ideas and level of fitness begin to come together should hopefully get those on the fence on side, and keep those that won’t accept he isn’t Jack Ross at bay.

Midfield is still an issue, but we’ve still got Jasper & Melkerson to play. Hopefully they can bridge our creativity gap as well as Mueller and Mitchell getting up to speed. We’ve generally been good defensively under Maloney. It’s a slow process but there are promising signs IMO.

[Jim44]

We’re still very Jeckyl & Hyde, and can only sustain a high level for 45 mins before a drop off it seems. However the first half against Livi and the first 30 - 40 minutes last night were a positive glimpse into the future under Maloney once he makes it his own squad and we address the deficiencies in the squad IMO.

More performances like last night and the first 45 mins against Livi as Maloneys ideas and level of fitness begin to come together should hopefully get those on the fence on side, and keep those that won’t accept he isn’t Jack Ross at bay.

Midfield is still an issue, but we’ve still got Jasper & Melkerson to play. Hopefully they can bridge our creativity gap as well as Mueller and Mitchell getting up to speed. We’ve generally been good defensively under Maloney. It’s a slow process but there are promising signs IMO.

I made this point in the match thread last night as it was painfully obvious. We don’t have the level of fitness and possibly expertise to sustain it for 90 minutes. In the second half, we were getting tired, giving the ball away, fouling more and appearing susceptible to injury. Someone made the point that SM would eventually get us up to speed to be able to play all out for 90 minutes and maybe so. But I’m concerned about the immediate future and our ability to see out 90 minutes without conceding goals and losing the plot in matches. Fortunately we seemed to get a second wind and finished the game on a high note but that won’t happen every time.

[jacomo]

Is that our record under Maloney? 2 wins 2 draws 2 defeats? That can’t be right, surely with the outrage and righteous indignation on here he must have a way worse record than that for folk to be saying things like ‘he’s on borrowed time’ after a mere 6 games? I thought with all the defeatism I may as well not bother turning up tonight, maybe I’ll have a wee look see after all


Any chance we can drop this endless sniping and sarcastic tone? Thanks.

We could have easily lost last night and for a manager who seems to prize possession we seem worryingly unable to keep possession.

I’ll take the positives and hope we are on the right path but we need a lot of improvement if this is going to be a successful season.

[Haymaker]

I made this point in the match thread last night as it was painfully obvious. We don’t have the level of fitness and possibly expertise to sustain it for 90 minutes. In the second half, we were getting tired, giving the ball away, fouling more and appearing susceptible to injury. Someone made the point that SM would eventually get us up to speed to be able to play all out for 90 minutes and maybe so. But I’m concerned about the immediate future and our ability to see out 90 minutes without conceding goals and losing the plot in matches. Fortunately we seemed to get a second wind and finished the game on a high note but that won’t happen every time.

One of the biggest issues he was going to have was changing the conditioning mid way through a season to play a higher tempo style of play. If you get it wrong you will have lots of minor muscle injuries.

Klopp had this when he first took over Liverpool and tried to implement his style when the season was already underway.

[Lago]

One of the biggest issues he was going to have was changing the conditioning mid way through a season to play a higher tempo style of play. If you get it wrong you will have lots of minor muscle injuries.

Klopp had this when he first took over Liverpool and tried to implement his style when the season was already underway.
Correct.

[Lago]

In midfield, we aren’t going with what we had. We’ve let two go and not replaced them.

I don’t think either Hallberg or Gogic are all that, but we are clearly weaker if the choice is having them available or not having that option or any other.
But as both were only getting minimal time on the pitch what difference does it make now they've gone?

[ian cruise]

One of the biggest issues he was going to have was changing the conditioning mid way through a season to play a higher tempo style of play. If you get it wrong you will have lots of minor muscle injuries.

Klopp had this when he first took over Liverpool and tried to implement his style when the season was already underway.

I've been thinking of the Klopp/Liverpool comparison too, glad to see I'm not alone. A few games we've played with a really high tempo but fallen away as players obviously tired

[Billy Whizz]

I've been thinking of the Klopp/Liverpool comparison too, glad to see I'm not alone. A few games we've played with a really high tempo but fallen away as players obviously tired

We’re picking up loads of injuries just now, Macey, McGinn, Hanlon, Newell and Doig to name a few. All since the winter break. Not sure how many are muscle injuries or knocks
I know the players haven’t had much time off either of late

[silverhibee]

One of the biggest issues he was going to have was changing the conditioning mid way through a season to play a higher tempo style of play. If you get it wrong you will have lots of minor muscle injuries.

Klopp had this when he first took over Liverpool and tried to implement his style when the season was already underway.

Now I will listen to this, someone with a good rep in coaching and you know what you are talking about, I believe you do this for a living. :thumbsup:

[jacomo]

But as both were only getting minimal time on the pitch what difference does it make now they've gone?


If Newell isn’t fit for our next match our choices for the two midfield spots are JDH and Campbell and no one else.

[brianmc]

If Newell isn’t fit for our next match our choices for the two midfield spots are JDH and Campbell and no one else.

What's happened to Henderson?
Or Scott Allan?

[jacomo]

What's happened to Henderson?


He’s an attacking midfielder. He may do well more centrally but I’ve not seen him do that before.

Scotty isn’t suited to playing deeper imo and isn’t a 90 minute player.

[Lago]

If Newell isn’t fit for our next match our choices for the two midfield spots are JDH and Campbell and no one else.
I've absolutely no doubt our manager took that into account before he approved they're departure.

[hibsbollah]

Its the way we have played in the last 4 of those 6 games that gives me cause for concern as we have not looked likely to win these games.

I really hope we see something different tonight, but I am really concerned that more of the same and we will be quite a frustrated bunch this time tomorrow.

We’ve also got 3 clean sheets in those games, which suggests we haven’t looked like losing them either?

Stats are just stats. And 6 games is too small a sample size to make any real judgements. Personally I like the style he’s trying to implement, it’s not complicated. What I saw wasn’t kamikaze high press either, we press the opponent alternately, so they don’t know what’s coming next. I don’t think it’s as demanding on players bodies as say the Stendel system was.

[Haymaker]

Now I will listen to this, someone with a good rep in coaching and you know what you are talking about, I believe you do this for a living. :thumbsup:

I do alright P :greengrin

[ancient hibee]

I read that Celtic train at the same tempo as they play so it’s hardly surprising that they have so many hamstring injuries. Totally the wrong way to train athletes.

[silverhibee]

I do alright P :greengrin

You should be scouting for us. :thumbsup: :agree:

[Haymaker]

You should be scouting for us. :thumbsup: :agree:

There's a few decent players knocking about but I don't get a chance to see the higher end games at the moment. Few good prospects at Energy Drink FC though

[wookie70]

Any chance we can drop this endless sniping and sarcastic tone? Thanks.

We could have easily lost last night and for a manager who seems to prize possession we seem worryingly unable to keep possession.

I’ll take the positives and hope we are on the right path but we need a lot of improvement if this is going to be a successful season.


We look better with less possession as that to me usually means we are playing at a higher tempo. We are still a team that looks most dangerous on the break imo

[cameronw-hfc]

He’s an attacking midfielder. He may do well more centrally but I’ve not seen him do that before.

Scotty isn’t suited to playing deeper imo and isn’t a 90 minute player.

I actually respectfully disagree on Scotty. I think he is suited to drop deeper as he ages. He's got exceptional vision and his best work usually comes from playing penetrating passes, or driving from deep, both of which he will have more options to do deeper. I also feel like giving him more options ahead of him helps. Only issue would be out of possession.

[JimBHibees]

One of the biggest issues he was going to have was changing the conditioning mid way through a season to play a higher tempo style of play. If you get it wrong you will have lots of minor muscle injuries.

Klopp had this when he first took over Liverpool and tried to implement his style when the season was already underway.

Very good point I think and we do seem to have a lot of injuries at present while reflecting not all muscle injuries.