Shaun Maloney - Style of play

[Danderhall Hibs]

At the point of sacking Ross we didn’t have style or the results.

We do need better players. We did before Ross was sacked and we do now he’s gone. Need to see how Maloney does when the has his own players, if we care to sign a few who are considered as being available to play.

We didn’t and we showed we won’t hang about either. The owner will punt him if he doesn’t live up to the promises about the style of play and getting the fans back.

[silverhibee]

Like Jack Ross was?

He had his chance and paid the price, get behind Maloney and stop your whinging. FFS.

[silverhibee]

Probably. Because we have sacked the best coach we could attract and replaced him with who knows what.

Am I not want to want the best for our club?

Sacking Jack Ross will turn out disasterous

The best coach, your steaming

[Unseen work]

I like what Maloney is trying to do with our team. Quite depressing that people can’t see the difference between what this team is trying to do compared to Ross’s.

That said, we’ve got nowhere near the quality in the final third we need to pull it off.

The fact he is still using Drey Wright and Josh Campbell is worrying. He needs to make the right noises about giving every one a chance but if he actually believes that and it wasn’t just media sound bites then that’s worrying. Both those players are absolutely miles and miles away from where we want to be.

I agree with this.

I think the two players behind the striker are vital to how he wants to play and unfortunately we’re missing that.

Mueller could prove to be one of them but I thought he was poor tonight.

[JohnM1875]

Side to side to side to side
Zero through balls from midfield
Zero shots on target
Horrific


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Our midfield three are awful though to be fair.

I'd be pumping the majority of the money into that area. Then play Newell, Magennis and then a topper we sign with the Boyle money

[GreenGray]

Disasterous

Sacking Jack Ross for this is mental

Let’s anyone pretend they have a clue it’s better also.

You should have followed Jack Ross Jesus seems you support him more than Hibs.

These sort of teams take a while to build, particularly when Maloney inherited the squad that he did and has been unlucky with the new signings not being able to play.

[Just Alf]

While watching it, i didn't think Newall was quite as bad as some were making out,and the weather really did cause issues with regards to the quality of play (on both sides)

That said, my attention wandered elsewhere a lot more than usual, I even looked at .net a few times!

[Pete]

my attention wandered elsewhere a lot more than usual, I even looked at .net a few times!

Maybe that's where Shaun should've started looking, where the real football experts reside ;-)

[Stuart93]

He was really pleased with the performance.

Jeez.

It was horrific.

[#2 Double Tap]

Maybe that's where Shaun should've started looking, where the real football experts reside ;-)

well you can fool some of the people some of the time, but not all of the people all of the time after all.

[Just Alf]

Maybe that's where Shaun should've started looking, where the real football experts reside ;-)Ha ha.. true! There's loads it seems :greengrin

[James70]

I must admit things don't look great at the present but the manager has to be given half a chance. He is still in the very early stages of getting to build a team and hasn't been helped by the loss of Boyle along with silly and avoidable suspensions and unbelievable injuries.

When Alex Ferguson first went to Old Trafford he was virtually on the point of being sacked before things started to work for him. When Jim McLean became manager of Dundee Utd he made them a very defensive team, Maurice Malpas was even known as Maurice back pass due to the system they employed. Neither of those managers did too badly at the end of the day.

It is quite frustrating at the moment and it might take a while for things to click. I have every confidence that it won't be too long before Hibs are a great side to watch again.

[bingo70]

He was really pleased with the performance.

Jeez.

It was horrific.

He can’t believe that.

He’s just taking ***** in the media until he can get his own players in.

No benefit to him coming out and saying how ***** we really were.

[Shrekko]

At the point of sacking Ross we didn’t have style or the results.

We do need better players. We did before Ross was sacked and we do now he’s gone. Need to see how Maloney does when the has his own players, if we care to sign a few who are considered as being available to play.

Yeah we’ll certainly need far better players in a lot of areas. Hanlon, Porteous and Magennis will be vital too.

Rocky and Mitchell were good tonight which was my positive.

That kind of football really is horrific when it’s not working though. It exposes guys with no technical ability.

[Dazzjw1875]

Just back absoloutly hoffific performance I can't sit and watch that crap every week can't even remember us having a shot on goal. Aye possession is great... so is scoring goals!! not impressed at all in this style

[500miles]

He needs a plan B. I like that he wants to play quality football, but we came 3rd from being really good on the counter. We shouldn't just abandon that, and we're at risk of throwing the baby out with the bathwater

[Hibs90]

Just back absoloutly hoffific performance I can't sit and watch that crap every week can't even remember us having a shot on goal. Aye possession is great... so is scoring goals!! not impressed at all in this style

It's early days and it's not his team. Give him time ffs.

[Unseen work]

https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hibs/shaun-maloney-cant-criticise-hibs-players-after-motherwell-stalemate-as-he-hails-defensive-trio-3543481

Meltdown in 3,2,1..

[Pete]

He needs a plan B. I like that he wants to play quality football, but we came 3rd from being really good on the counter. We shouldn't just abandon that, and we're at risk of throwing the baby out with the bathwater

Our baby is away to Saudi. We have to adapt and be bigger than a counter attacking team. We should be building towards being a team that can impose our style on others.

[Callum_62]

https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hibs/shaun-maloney-cant-criticise-hibs-players-after-motherwell-stalemate-as-he-hails-defensive-trio-3543481

Meltdown in 3,2,1..That's twice he's used the term fine margins

I'm RAGIN

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[bingo70]

https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hibs/shaun-maloney-cant-criticise-hibs-players-after-motherwell-stalemate-as-he-hails-defensive-trio-3543481

Meltdown in 3,2,1..

No meltdown from me, he’s just talking pish 😂

Managers talk rubbish in the media as they can’t be honest. He’s just saying what he thinks he needs to say.

If Campbell or Wright start on Saturday though I’m not sure I’ll leave the pub.

[Casey1875]

We didn’t and we showed we won’t hang about either. The owner will punt him if he doesn’t live up to the promises about the style of play and getting the fans back.

I think that they may as well get rid now if that's the case and they don't back him with a few more players. This squad are nowhere near good enough to play this style and be effective. We will probably have the majority of possession in most games but 90% will be in our own half. Magennis is going to need to get back quickly and Nisbet to start scoring some of the balls cadden puts in for him to have a hope in hell.

[SMAXXA]

On performances and style of play we are worse than we we’re before as we have managed to take a team that was pretty pish but still carried a threat to a team that keeps the ball in non dangerous areas that has no idea what it’s trying to do beyond back to middle that carries zero threat.

I understand it’s a different style and more expansive but it’s totally ineffective and nothing like an attacking brand of football he promised. Look at Celtic he’s came in straight away with a style that is attack attack noticeable difference in style and it’s effective. We have got worse in an attacking sense.

That’s my assessment of it so far UTD game aside and a bit of Aberdeen but since he’s had time to work on his ideas and style we have got noticeable worse which is some going 😂.

Not the time to judge long term as he’s just in the door and needs his own players in but the players there are more than capable of playing attacking football he just needs to find a way of bringing that out. If he needs to abandon some elements of his philosophy to allow for the players he has at his disposal he needs to do that till the summer that would be better management IMO.

Anyway onto Livi 😂

[Unseen work]

On performances and style of play we are worse than we we’re before as we have managed to take a team that was pretty pish but still carried a threat to a team that keeps the ball in non dangerous areas that has no idea what it’s trying to do beyond back to middle that carries zero threat.

I understand it’s a different style and more expansive but it’s totally ineffective and nothing like an attacking brand of football he promised. Look at Celtic he’s came in straight away with a style that is attack attack noticeable difference in style and it’s effective. We have got worse in an attacking sense.

That’s my assessment of it so far UTD game aside and a bit of Aberdeen but since he’s had time to work on his ideas and style we have got noticeable worse which is some going 😂.

Not the time to judge long term as he’s just in the door and needs his own players in but the players there are more than capable of playing attacking football he just needs to find a way of bringing that out. If he needs to abandon some elements of his philosophy to allow for the players he has at his disposal he needs to do that till the summer that would be better management IMO.

Anyway onto Livi 😂

Can you imagine watching Ross’ team cope without Boyle.

[GreenCastle]

He is getting his own players..

2 are injured (plus work permit issue??)

He’s also having to deal with losing our best player and top assist / scorer.

If the ££ is there form Boyle he may as well use it now otherwise we may not make top 6 by the split if we stick with the same players.

[JohnM1875]

Think earlier on in the thread I was talking about SM style of play being high press and more attacking after seeing the Dundee Utd and Aberdeen games. That might well have just been wishful thinking on my part. Seems like he prefers a much more possession based games after the past few games. Then again it's only been a handful of games so who ****ing knows?

[Callum_62]

https://twitter.com/HibernianFC/status/1486474658165796867?t=VtVfO9EzeCx25qHoyyIuGg&s=19

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[Unseen work]

On a positive, we look absolutely solid defensively and have done so since he came in, imo.

[Ozyhibby]

https://twitter.com/HibernianFC/status/1486474658165796867?t=VtVfO9EzeCx25qHoyyIuGg&s=19

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Do you think he might be trolling us?


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[#2 Double Tap]

https://twitter.com/HibernianFC/status/1486474658165796867?t=VtVfO9EzeCx25qHoyyIuGg&s=19

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he is on the crack pipe if he thinks we played well and created a lot of chances.

controlled the game. wtf is going on.

[Unseen work]

I know people will have a go at Maloney when he says chances created but I think he’ll be looking at it a bit broader than us fans who the majority just got with shots on target.

Nisbet in first minute
Doidge one on one
Henderson cross across the face of goal
Cadden cross across face of goal
Doigs cross across face of goal

He’ll be looking at those and thinking that should be a goal and to be honest, probably rightly so.

But I imagine in the changing rooms they’ll all be saying we need to be more aggressive and work them harder. Make them scramble a bit and take plenty shots.

He was a great player who was very creative and shot from anywhere. Ironically he’s the exact sort of player we need.

[Smartie]

https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hibs/shaun-maloney-cant-criticise-hibs-players-after-motherwell-stalemate-as-he-hails-defensive-trio-3543481

Meltdown in 3,2,1..

He’s talking utter pish and it’s a new record that it’s taken 5 games for me to wonder if I’ve watched the same game as the manager.

Nice touch and probably right hailing the back 3, who did well.

But from middle to front? It was abysmal. Not sure how he best acknowledges that in the media but I don’t think you can talk about playing well and creating lots of chances with a straight face.

[Callum_62]

I know people will have a go at Maloney when he says chances created but I think he’ll be looking at it a bit broader than us fans who the majority just got with shots on target.

Nisbet in first minute
Doidge one on one
Henderson cross across the face of goal
Cadden cross across face of goal
Doigs cross across face of goal

He’ll be looking at those and thinking that should be a goal and to be honest, probably rightly so.Absolutely correct imho

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[SMAXXA]

I know people will have a go at Maloney when he says chances created but I think he’ll be looking at it a bit broader than us fans who the majority just got with shots on target.

Nisbet in first minute
Doidge one on one
Henderson cross across the face of goal
Cadden cross across face of goal
Doigs cross across face of goal

He’ll be looking at those and thinking that should be a goal and to be honest, probably rightly so.

But I imagine in the changing rooms they’ll all be saying we need to be more aggressive and work them harder. Make them scramble a bit and take plenty shots.

He was a great player who was very creative and shot from anywhere. Ironically he’s the exact sort of player we need.

I agree with this

[Chorley Hibee]

Do you think he might be trolling us?


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Wow!

He's been attending different games of football from me if that's his outlook on tonight and Parkhead.

[B.H.F.C]

https://twitter.com/HibernianFC/status/1486474658165796867?t=VtVfO9EzeCx25qHoyyIuGg&s=19

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He actually said he’s happy with how many chances we created.

I do agree with him that it’s been a decent enough start results wise. But I think he’s miles off with his take on tonight’s game.

[JohnM1875]

he is on the crack pipe if he thinks we played well and created a lot of chances.

controlled the game. wtf is going on.

More likely meth being in or around ER. Either way it does funny things to folk.

[Ozyhibby]

He’s talking utter pish and it’s a new record that it’s taken 5 games for me to wonder if I’ve watched the same game as the manager.

Nice touch and probably right hailing the back 3, who did well.

But from middle to front? It was abysmal. Not sure how he best acknowledges that in the media but I don’t think you can talk about playing well and creating lots of chances with a straight face.

Probably best to do it in a way that doesn’t treat the fans like idiots?


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[Eyrie]

The most frustrating thing for me is that Maloney arrived and had an immediate effect in the Dundee United game when we played with pace, purpose and width but, after he had the winter break to work with the players, we're back to laboured passing and little movement.

[B.H.F.C]

Separate point, but I didn’t think he was happy with the fans reaction at full time. Gave a bit of a clap then started shaking his head at whatever reaction he got. Nisbet had a bit of a bite back, firstly down the front, then walking up the steps as well.

[JohnM1875]

Separate point, but I didn’t think he was happy with the fans reaction at full time. Gave a bit of a clap then started shaking his head at whatever reaction he got. Nisbet had a bit of a bite back, firstly down the front, then walking up the steps as well.

We had zero shots on target. We're hardly going to be buzzing at full time.

[Ozyhibby]

Separate point, but I didn’t think he was happy with the fans reaction at full time. Gave a bit of a clap then started shaking his head at whatever reaction he got. Nisbet had a bit of a bite back, firstly down the front, then walking up the steps as well.

To be honest, I felt sorry for Nisbet tonight. Put in a lot of work but rarely got the ball in anything like a remotely threatening area.
If the only chances we are going to create are from crosses it’s probably better we play Doidge up front.

Maloney seems a bit insecure given he felt the need to have a go at Ross and if he is unhappy with fan reaction tonight. He better toughen up if he wants to make it in management.


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[Hiber-nation]

He can’t believe that.

He’s just taking ***** in the media until he can get his own players in.

No benefit to him coming out and saying how ***** we really were.

No doubt about it. No shots on target against a poor Motherwell side, never posed a threat throughout the game. It was dismal and he must know it.

[Hibee Mac]

Have to admit the players look like they're being coached out of all creativity going forward. Like they're scared to take a risk in case they give the ball away.

90% of our passing is short and to feet with the receiving player's back to goal. That doesn't hurt any team and they'll gladly soak that up.

If we can't find a way to be more creative quickly then Maloney needs to be prepared to abandon some of his original plans/ideals, even if it's just until summer. End of the day it's a results focussed business and if your team is creating so little in front of goal then he needs to try and adapt.

Plus we've had enough dire football recently I can't be bothered with another 6 months of it.

[Callum_62]

No doubt about it. No shots on target against a poor Motherwell side, never posed a threat throughout the game. It was dismal and he must know it.Is this a poor Motherwell side? They are doing quite well arnt they?

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[B.H.F.C]

Have to admit the players look like they're being coached out of all creativity going forward. Like they're scared to take a risk in case they give the ball away.

90% of our passing is short and to feet with the receiving player's back to goal. That doesn't hurt any team and they'll gladly soak that up.

If we can't find a way to be more creative quickly then Maloney needs to be prepared to abandon some of his original plans/ideals, even if it's just until summer. End of the day it's a results focussed business and if your team is creating so little in front of goal then he needs to try and adapt.

Plus we've had enough dire football recently I can't be bothered with another 6 months of it.

I don’t think the players playing have had the creativity coached out of them, it’s just that there aren’t many of them who have any creativity in them. We can’t continue playing those three midfielders in the same team.

[JohnM1875]

To be honest, I felt sorry for Nisbet tonight. Put in a lot of work but rarely got the ball in anything like a remotely threatening area.
If the only chances we are going to create are from crosses it’s probably better we play Doidge up front.

Maloney seems a bit insecure given he felt the need to have a go at Ross and if he is unhappy with fan reaction tonight. He better toughen up if he wants to make it in management.


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Other than the chance in the first 30 seconds where he took too long to take a shot you mean?

I do agree and think Nisbet will be fine as soon as we start creating from the middle of the pitch. We desperately need creativity in the middle.

[FitbaFolkKen]

I think he may be trying to support the players a bit and take the heat off the pressure from the stands. He has told Newell to ignore us against Cove and then the club have actively come out and asked us to be more supportive. He is perhaps trying to temper expectations.

I wonder if crowds returning worked to our detriment, is our team struggling with the expectations?

However if what happened at Celtic Park is outstanding I’m not particularly enthused and I expect most would agree, that certainly wouldn’t temper expectations.


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[BoomtownHibees]

To be fair Motherwell only had 2 and they were the home team. Conditions were horrendous.

There’s always a good chance you will limit the other team to so few chances when you have so many defensive minded players in the team. The issue it causes is that you don’t create very much, if anything, yourselves.

A team including a goalie, 3 centre halfs, 2 wing backs plus Newell, JDH and Campbell is never likely to create very much at all. The balance in the middle of the park is all wrong imo

[Unseen work]

You know what, I’ve been thinking about it and I don’t think Maloney is daft.

I don’t think he’s happy it’s the attacking play but he’s not wanting to slate the players in the press.

There’s a reason the front 3 keeps changing.

There’s also a reason why in every interview he says we need to be more brave and more aggressive going forward and in the final third.

He knows what’s missing and he knows the current attackers aren’t cutting it.

I expect a big turn around of players in the next week.

Starting with Charles Cook.

[May21/05/216]

There is either a lot of jambos comments on this or idiotic comments from hibs fans the man been in charge for 5 games gee the man a break

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[CB_NO3]

Thought we played some nice football tonight in horrendous conditions albeit it was in our own half. Defensively we looked sound but the lack of chances created was worrying. Dont think the team merited being boo'd by the doughnuts in our support.

Big week coming up as we are at least 2 attacking players short. Imagine there will be a lot of movement this week.

[Hiber-nation]

Is this a poor Motherwell side? They are doing quite well arnt they?

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They were poor, you could hear the crowd getting on their players' backs in the 2nd half up until the red card. Yes the weather played it's part but it was one of the most boring games of football I've seen in a long time.

[Latapy'sVolley]

Like they're scared to take a risk in case they give the ball away.

90% of our passing is short and to feet with the receiving player's back to goal. That doesn't hurt any team and they'll gladly soak that up.

I get this impression too. interestingly, Maloney said on his Hibs TV post-match tonight that he wants players to take more risks and be braver.

So hopefully that'll be a sign of what's to come.

[JohnM1875]

Thought we played some nice football tonight in horrendous conditions albeit it was in our own half. Defensively we looked sound but the lack of chances created was worrying. Dont think the team merited being boo'd by the doughnuts in our support.

Big week coming up as we are at least 2 attacking players short. Imagine there will be a lot of movement this week.

Were we boo'd off? I was watching on PPV and didn't hear that. If so totally agree with you about that, that's mental.

Think we're a creative mid and a striker short of being a good team. Magennis, Porto and Hanlon to come back as well. Melkerson to adapt and Mitchell to get used to our style of play. Ingredients are there

[#2 Double Tap]

I think he may be trying to support the players a bit and take the heat off the pressure from the stands. He has told Newell to ignore us against Cove and then the club have actively come out and asked us to be more supportive. He is perhaps trying to temper expectations.

I wonder if crowds returning worked to our detriment, is our team struggling with the expectations?

However if what happened at Celtic Park is outstanding I’m not particularly enthused and I expect most would agree, that certainly wouldn’t temper expectations.


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he would get a lot more respect if he was just honest, the paying public are not fools, newell moaning after the cove game - he really needs to get a grip, a 0-0 against cove after 90 mins at ER is well below expectations.

I just watched that after game interview again, the whole thing is delusional - constantly repeating pish doesnt make it true, the fans will turn on him quicker than they turned on JR if he continues to spout guff.

[GreenGray]

People expecting him to come out and slate the players after five games? Butcher done that and look how that worked out.

[Ozyhibby]

Were we boo'd off? I was watching on PPV and didn't hear that. If so totally agree with you about that, that's mental.

Think we're a creative mid and a striker short of being a good team. Magennis, Porto and Hanlon to come back as well. Melkerson to adapt and Mitchell to get used to our style of play. Ingredients are there

I actually just think we need a couple of centre mids. Get that area sorted and we’ll see improvements up front as a result.
There was a bit of booing at the end because the players have to exit in our stand. Felt that was a bit off to be honest. Didn’t feel like there was a lack of effort by the players. Booing is weird anyway.


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[JohnM1875]

People expecting him to come out and slate the players after five games? Butcher done that and look how that worked out.

You can be honest without slating the players though? The conditions tonight were horrific! Fair to make that point.

I don't think it's a Maloney issue though, just wish more managers in general would be more honest. Almost pointless doing any pre/post match interviews now.

[Ozyhibby]

People expecting him to come out and slate the players after five games? Butcher done that and look how that worked out.

He doesn’t need to slate any players. He just needs to describe the game as it was and not treat us like idiots. If he is happy with the chances created tonight then he’ll be gone by the end of the season.


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[#2 Double Tap]

There is either a lot of jambos comments on this or idiotic comments from hibs fans the man been in charge for 5 games gee the man a break

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its football, you dont get time and you dont get breaks.

managers get at the start;
win and happy fans, who can get all hyped up about imaginary improvements or get draw, where fans think nothing is really changing or lose where everything is worse and doom and gloom continues.

[GreenGray]

He doesn’t need to slate any players. He just needs to describe the game as it was and not treat us like idiots. If he is happy with the chances created tonight then he’ll be gone by the end of the season.


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Anything he says will be scrutinised. He can’t be too negative about the team/performance as he still needs this group of players to do a job for him the rest of the season.

[B.H.F.C]

I actually just think we need a couple of centre mids. Get that area sorted and we’ll see improvements up front as a result.
There was a bit of booing at the end because the players have to exit in our stand. Felt that was a bit off to be honest. Didn’t feel like there was a lack of effort by the players. Booing is weird anyway.


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There wasn’t a lack of effort. Lack of urgency, lack of desire to go for the win perhaps and lack of quality definitely. But I thought they tried hard enough.

[lord bunberry]

So far his style has led to dismal performances, tonight was as toothless a performance as I’ve seen for a long time. When they went down to 10 men we continued to be ponderous instead of getting the ball quickly up to Doidge and try and win the second ball. It seems to me that Maloney is trying to walk before he can run and it’s not working, he needs to go much slower when changing the style to an all out passing game. We all want to see free flowing attacking football and I’m sure Maloney wants us to be playing it, but we’re so far off that at this stage. The reaction from some of the players at the end wasn’t great either, the fans turned up in decent numbers and supported the team, they got pretty much nothing in the way of entertainment back, it never really ends well when the players start giving the fans stick and Maloney should nip it in the bud quickly because it will be him that suffers if the fans turn on the team.

[#2 Double Tap]

Anything he says will be scrutinised. He can’t be too negative about the team/performance as he still needs this group of players to do a job for him the rest of the season.

so why not talk about how rocky is looking decent or how he thinks cadden's engine for getting up and down the park is marvellous, or how he is hopeful that nisbet continues upping his work rate or that generally he is seeing signs that are encouraging but more work is required.

not we dominated the ball, played wonderful football and created loadsa chances, and ohh in that game at parkheed we where fantastic when in reality celtic ripped us a new one for the majority of the first half until they took their foot of the gas at 2-0 up.

[Unseen work]

https://youtu.be/LwXgIQo9LkM

Highlights are up

[JohnM1875]

https://youtu.be/LwXgIQo9LkM

Highlights are up

We should have uploaded it as 'highlights'

[NAE NOOKIE]

Think another poster made a valid point about Maloney trying to run before he has learned to walk ... or at least trying to get his players to do that.

Chuck in tonight's game and in our last 3 games the theme has been the same, lots of pretty possession in our half but creating next to nothing up front, with Maloney coming out after the game and saying how pleased he was with the way we kept possession. He said tonight he wont criticise strikers for missing chances, but when you only make 3 chances in a game because everything is so slow and measured your bloody strikers need to take one of them, a manager can be positive about strikers missing when they score a couple and miss a handful of others, but not when chances are at a premium and they are barely scoring at all, in our last 10 games our average is around a goal a game ... that's going to get us nowhere.

Next up are Livvi who restricted Sevco to one goal at Ibrox tonight ..... how is this team and it's powder puff attack after the departure of Boyle going to get a result against them and I hate to say it but I'm not looking forward to the derby at all on the back of our last few games because if our 'learning curve' ... 'transitional period' whatever you want to call it continues into that game we will get our arse kicked.

[Hibee Mac]

So far his style has led to dismal performances, tonight was as toothless a performance as I’ve seen for a long time. When they went down to 10 men we continued to be ponderous instead of getting the ball quickly up to Doidge and try and win the second ball. It seems to me that Maloney is trying to walk before he can run and it’s not working, he needs to go much slower when changing the style to an all out passing game. We all want to see free flowing attacking football and I’m sure Maloney wants us to be playing it, but we’re so far off that at this stage. The reaction from some of the players at the end wasn’t great either, the fans turned up in decent numbers and supported the team, they got pretty much nothing in the way of entertainment back, it never really ends well when the players start giving the fans stick and Maloney should nip it in the bud quickly because it will be him that suffers if the fans turn on the team.

What happened with the players at full time? I just went straight out so missed any drama.

Were they giving it back to fans who were giving them it tight?

[HendoDelivered]

https://youtu.be/LwXgIQo9LkM

Highlights are up

There weren’t any 😂

[Dashing Bob S]

To be honest, I felt sorry for Nisbet tonight. Put in a lot of work but rarely got the ball in anything like a remotely threatening area.
If the only chances we are going to create are from crosses it’s probably better we play Doidge up front.

Maloney seems a bit insecure given he felt the need to have a go at Ross and if he is unhappy with fan reaction tonight. He better toughen up if he wants to make it in management.


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Agreed. It’s the standard pathetic victim look. That sort of patter just makes you look out of your depth.

[Pete]

Agreed. It’s the standard pathetic victim look. That sort of patter just makes you look out of your depth.

Nonsense.

The only ones who look out their depth are the people who are taking such a negative view after such a short space of time.

Fans in this country, and this club, need to think about what they want. We're looking like simpletons and it's genuinely embarrassing.

The flag wavers get it though, and have for a while. It's not about pissed up old men waiting to be entertained by lumping the ball forward, it's an exchange. We give them an atmosphere and a supportive culture where they can relax without the fear of being pounced on, and they'll give us results.

It's a two way street

[DetroitHibs]

I'd rather watch us under Derek McInnes

[heretoday]

Good shape, men out wide, smooth passing and yet not much at the business end. The bench looks strong and in his brief cameo Mitchell looked as fast as MB!
We need some devilment in the midfield.

[HoboHarry]

I'd rather watch us under Derek McInnes

Think you've drunk quite enough for one night.

[DetroitHibs]

Think you've drunk quite enough for one night.


Quite sober.

[Crunchie]

Have to admit the players look like they're being coached out of all creativity going forward. Like they're scared to take a risk in case they give the ball away.

90% of our passing is short and to feet with the receiving player's back to goal. That doesn't hurt any team and they'll gladly soak that up.

If we can't find a way to be more creative quickly then Maloney needs to be prepared to abandon some of his original plans/ideals, even if it's just until summer. End of the day it's a results focussed business and if your team is creating so little in front of goal then he needs to try and adapt.

Plus we've had enough dire football recently I can't be bothered with another 6 months of it.
The game was played in farcical conditions, I wouldn't be judging anyone on that performance.

[Dmas]

The game was played in farcical conditions, I wouldn't be judging anyone on that performance.

It’s a fair point but it’s not the only game we’ve looked short on creativity/forward ideas.

I don’t know if it’s the movement of the forward players or the lack of creativity playing both JDH and Newell (who I thought had a cracking game last night btw) but there’s something needing addressed in the attacking sense of our play, I also think we’ve lost a bit of the urgency in winning the ball back high up the pitch that we saw in SM’s first couple of games.

Would have been good to see us with all new players fit and playing before the window shut right now we don’t know if melkerson changes anything or a fully firing muellar will help or if Clarke carrying from CB a lot still up in the air which is frustrating for everyone

[Scooter]

I personally don't think we played badly I thought we were better than against Cove. There were actually some passages of play were it was really nice to watch. The major problem is we done nothing with it. Nisbet although he wasn't bad tonight can't play up front on his own and I think and maybe his goal tally might show he's not been the same player since Doidge got injured and they haven't had a real opportunity to play again together.

We really need to give Shaun time, look at Arteta at Arsenal, his start was horrific but he's turned it around. However the lack of creativity is concerning and there seems a real stubbornness to play this formation with Nisbet upfront and I don't think it's going to work, he needs to either play Nisbet and Doidge or he needs to give Doidge a run. The other worrying thing is how he thinks Drey Wright deserves to keep getting his chance over others who are clearly better and how can he not see what we see in a game. I'm hoping his performance after coming on last night will end his opportunities.

Defensively though other than against Celtic we have looked really solid and controlled the majority of games and of the new players who we have seen look like they are going to be good. On that is Rocky has another few game like he has done I'd be having a contract conversation with his ASAP

[Since452]

I won't be judging him on a horrendous winters night in Motherwell.

[Crunchie]

It’s a fair point but it’s not the only game we’ve looked short on creativity/forward ideas.

I don’t know if it’s the movement of the forward players or the lack of creativity playing both JDH and Newell (who I thought had a cracking game last night btw) but there’s something needing addressed in the attacking sense of our play, I also think we’ve lost a bit of the urgency in winning the ball back high up the pitch that we saw in SM’s first couple of games.

Would have been good to see us with all new players fit and playing before the window shut right now we don’t know if melkerson changes anything or a fully firing muellar will help or if Clarke carrying from CB a lot still up in the air which is frustrating for everyone
He’s been in the door 5 minutes mate with a few of our top players missing. I don’t think things have improved since Jack left and. I really didn’t expect them to tbh. I was firmly in the Jack must stay camp and I think it was a shameful decision to sack him when we did, but I won’t be rushing to pass judgement on Maloney this early. He wouldn’t have got the job before McInnes or Neil for me but there you go.

[Jones28]

Separate point, but I didn’t think he was happy with the fans reaction at full time. Gave a bit of a clap then started shaking his head at whatever reaction he got. Nisbet had a bit of a bite back, firstly down the front, then walking up the steps as well.

He was getting pelters, Nisbet especially. There was one guy being particularly unpleasant towards him.

[MWHIBBIES]

He was getting pelters, Nisbet especially. There was one guy being particularly unpleasant towards him.

We have some serious twats in our support. Horrible way to treat our players and manager.

[Jones28]

We have some serious twats in our support. Horrible way to treat our players and manager.

In fairness I thought the support was good, backed the team most of the game up until the last ten minutes when frustration started to show. I do get it though, we had very frustrating last ten minutes when a misplaced pass killed any momentum that we’d been building.

[Frazerbob]

People expecting him to come out and slate the players after five games? Butcher done that and look how that worked out.

Not sure I’ve read anyone saying that.

[JimBHibees]

https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hibs/shaun-maloney-cant-criticise-hibs-players-after-motherwell-stalemate-as-he-hails-defensive-trio-3543481

Meltdown in 3,2,1..

Not sure I can argue with much of what he is saying.

[Big90inOz]

We played some really nice stuff with quick one touch passing, thought the players were more prepared to play and receive the ball in tight spaces. Definitely not the safety first approach under JR.
it takes time to mentally change your thought process when under pressure, many players are now trying to change the previous negative mindset to a positive one. I for one think the players are buying into the Managers game plan and we are seeing improvements with each game. The goals and the points will come.

[Since452]

Ross and Potter coached these players to 3rd place and two cup finals on the trot. It's hard to forget that overnight and change style. Especially in those conditions.

[JimBHibees]

I personally don't think we played badly I thought we were better than against Cove. There were actually some passages of play were it was really nice to watch. The major problem is we done nothing with it. Nisbet although he wasn't bad tonight can't play up front on his own and I think and maybe his goal tally might show he's not been the same player since Doidge got injured and they haven't had a real opportunity to play again together.

We really need to give Shaun time, look at Arteta at Arsenal, his start was horrific but he's turned it around. However the lack of creativity is concerning and there seems a real stubbornness to play this formation with Nisbet upfront and I don't think it's going to work, he needs to either play Nisbet and Doidge or he needs to give Doidge a run. The other worrying thing is how he thinks Drey Wright deserves to keep getting his chance over others who are clearly better and how can he not see what we see in a game. I'm hoping his performance after coming on last night will end his opportunities.

Defensively though other than against Celtic we have looked really solid and controlled the majority of games and of the new players who we have seen look like they are going to be good. On that is Rocky has another few game like he has done I'd be having a contract conversation with his ASAP

Agree with all of that. Last night was frustrating in the second half in particular in to be fair awful conditions when they went down to ten. Reasonable point all things considered though need to be better next few games going forward.

[JimBHibees]

We played some really nice stuff with quick one touch passing, thought the players were more prepared to play and receive the ball in tight spaces. Definitely not the safety first approach under JR.
it takes time to mentally change your thought process when under pressure, many players are now trying to change the previous negative mindset to a positive one. I for one think the players are buying into the Managers game plan and we are seeing improvements with each game. The goals and the points will come.

Agree with that the ridiculous short term thinking doesnt really help and puts more pressure on the players and new coach at early stages of his tenure.

[JimBHibees]

He was getting pelters, Nisbet especially. There was one guy being particularly unpleasant towards him.

Fan sounds like a complete moron.

[ozwoody]

Ross and Potter coached these players to 3rd place and two cup finals on the trot. It's hard to forget that overnight and change style. Especially in those conditions.
Tbf , Ross hasn't coached any of the new guys that came in.
I think Shaun wants to play a style that he thinks will be best for the team, those changes take time. We absolutely need a midfield that can play that system, as well as 2 up front (in my opinion) .
Personally I would like a 3-5-2 , but that needs the drivers in the centre 3 being able to do that, at the moment, the jury is out on that.I can see another couple coming before the end of the window cause it's definitely an area that needs adressed

[Jones28]

Last night was pretty dire - but I don’t think you could say anyone actually played poorly. I thought the players carried out their instructions- and that’s the problem.

From my seat in the upper we were intent on switching the ball across the pitch on the ground for the most part. We were so reliant on our wing backs producing something that it was easy for Motherwell to mark them out the game for the most part. A few crosses but then Nisbet drops so deep to get involved that by the time the crosses are coming in he’s only just arriving in to the box. We need a real poacher in there to take advantage of that.

We miss Porteous so badly when we need to break a high press because he has the confidence and ability to bring the ball out. For me last night there were too many occasions where we played an extra pass, especially across the back line. The three centre halves are fine on the ball - I actually thought McGinn was the best of the three moving the ball out of defence - but they played it to all three when skipping a pass and zipping the ball wide was the better option.

The conditions were horrendous, so high balls were not really viable switching from side to side, but over the top would surely have been ok given Motherwell played such a high line. I thought they countered us very well and proved they are no mugs this season.

[happiehibbie]

I Love his style of play. it exciting we have the ball a lot ! I cant wait for the next match. This was edge of the seat stuff. :cb:cb:cb:cb

[hibsbollah]

Last night was pretty dire - but I don’t think you could say anyone actually played poorly. I thought the players carried out their instructions- and that’s the problem.

From my seat in the upper we were intent on switching the ball across the pitch on the ground for the most part. We were so reliant on our wing backs producing something that it was easy for Motherwell to mark them out the game for the most part. A few crosses but then Nisbet drops so deep to get involved that by the time the crosses are coming in he’s only just arriving in to the box. We need a real poacher in there to take advantage of that.

We miss Porteous so badly when we need to break a high press because he has the confidence and ability to bring the ball out. For me last night there were too many occasions where we played an extra pass, especially across the back line. The three centre halves are fine on the ball - I actually thought McGinn was the best of the three moving the ball out of defence - but they played it to all three when skipping a pass and zipping the ball wide was the better option.

The conditions were horrendous, so high balls were not really viable switching from side to side, but over the top would surely have been ok given Motherwell played such a high line. I thought they countered us very well and proved they are no mugs this season.

:agree: Great point. Porteous can bring it out so well and beyond the midfield.

[J-C]

If we're playing a 2 in midfield, then Newell and JDH aren't those 2 and Campbell higher up the pitch isn't the answer either. People have to give Maloney a chance to get the correct players in, it will take until at least the summer, until then we play who we have.

Mueller still getting match fit, Henderson the same, Mitchell only signed the day before, still to replace Boyle, Melkerson in a new country and team and a you g lad needing time to settle. People need to get a grip and see the type of player Maloney is after and the style he wants to play, doesn't happen overnight.

[Dmas]

He’s been in the door 5 minutes mate with a few of our top players missing. I don’t think things have improved since Jack left and. I really didn’t expect them to tbh. I was firmly in the Jack must stay camp and I think it was a shameful decision to sack him when we did, but I won’t be rushing to pass judgement on Maloney this early. He wouldn’t have got the job before McInnes or Neil for me but there you go.

I’m not passing judgement there’s a lot of what’s happening I like, for example we’re much better defensively under SM than we where before I.e goals from crosses that issue seems to have disappeared despite the square pegs in round holes at CB for at least 3 of his games so far, we’re just lacking something going forward that I think he needs to address pretty quickly if it involves bringing someone new in, I’m all for giving him time but if we don’t start having shots on target he’s going to start getting the moans and groans from fans

[Keith_M]

I haven't seen anything yet that makes me think we've improved from what we saw under JR. It's early days but I think the phrase I used previously still applies, 'a different kind of boring'.

I'm hoping that we can move on from this stage when our new signings start getting games and the players work out how to be a bit more positive up front.

[bigwheel]

Last night was pretty dire - but I don’t think you could say anyone actually played poorly. I thought the players carried out their instructions- and that’s the problem.

From my seat in the upper we were intent on switching the ball across the pitch on the ground for the most part. We were so reliant on our wing backs producing something that it was easy for Motherwell to mark them out the game for the most part. A few crosses but then Nisbet drops so deep to get involved that by the time the crosses are coming in he’s only just arriving in to the box. We need a real poacher in there to take advantage of that.

We miss Porteous so badly when we need to break a high press because he has the confidence and ability to bring the ball out. For me last night there were too many occasions where we played an extra pass, especially across the back line. The three centre halves are fine on the ball - I actually thought McGinn was the best of the three moving the ball out of defence - but they played it to all three when skipping a pass and zipping the ball wide was the better option.

The conditions were horrendous, so high balls were not really viable switching from side to side, but over the top would surely have been ok given Motherwell played such a high line. I thought they countered us very well and proved they are no mugs this season.

It’s a well thought out post this. The players have adopted this quite different playing style. I thought most of them did their roles well Last night. The issue is, we don’t seem to have the players to really play this system effectively. It’s such a big change, it’s clear we will have to be patient to see consistency and improved results with it. In a way, this season will likely be very mixed as it’s not going to give an immediate run of wins. We will be up and down as we adapt to this new way.

The question is, will we see enough progress to give us real hope for next season? Or is it a young manager believing in his system at the expense of results ?

[jacomo]

He can’t believe that.

He’s just taking ***** in the media until he can get his own players in.

No benefit to him coming out and saying how ***** we really were.


What players would these be?

We might have one more join this window, and maybe some departures.

This is our squad now.

[Danderhall Hibs]

What players would these be?

We might have one more join this window, and maybe some departures.

This is our squad now.

He’s brought a raft of players in but most of them haven’t been able to play.

[flash]

Midfield remains the problem in my uneducated eyes.
That three last night are all far too similar and don't get forward enough for this system to work.
Newall is by far the best of the three and should remain as the pivot.
It looks to me as though Henderson will be the one to play " number 10" once he settles in.
The third member is up for grabs as far as I can see. In the ideal world Magennis will get fit and stay fit as he is precisely what is required in there.
The new players all look like they have something to offer and I wouldn't be surprised if Mitchell takes the wide left spot ahead of Doig who still needs to work on his end product. Cadden on the other side has been excellent recently.
Porto will make a massive difference at the back and, along with Rocky and Hanlon, seems to form a pretty decent defensive three.
The front of the team is the other area that needs a lot of work.
Personally I would start Doidge and Nisbet up front on Saturday with either Mueller or Henderson in behind.
We still have several players to come into the team and probably one pretty big signing to come so I would be confident of things improving once that happens.

[Iain G]

If we're playing a 2 in midfield, then Newell and JDH aren't those 2 and Campbell higher up the pitch isn't the answer either. People have to give Maloney a chance to get the correct players in, it will take until at least the summer, until then we play who we have.

Mueller still getting match fit, Henderson the same, Mitchell only signed the day before, still to replace Boyle, Melkerson in a new country and team and a you g lad needing time to settle. People need to get a grip and see the type of player Maloney is after and the style he wants to play, doesn't happen overnight.

We need a Tom Rogic type player in there who can find the sapce and pick a pass into the forwards; or a Scott Allan of old...

[jacomo]

The game was played in farcical conditions, I wouldn't be judging anyone on that performance.


In this context, a point away to the team currently in 4th isn’t awful.

We know we have issues scoring goals and we’ve just lost our top scorer. A little patience required (except from the Jack Ross boo boys - a lot of patience from them please).

[Greenbeard]

Midfield remains the problem in my uneducated eyes.
That three last night are all far too similar and don't get forward enough for this system to work.
Newall is by far the best of the three and should remain as the pivot.
It looks to me as though Henderson will be the one to play " number 10" once he settles in.
The third member is up for grabs as far as I can see. In the ideal world Magennis will get fit and stay fit as he is precisely what is required in there.
The new players all look like they have something to offer and I wouldn't be surprised if Mitchell takes the wide left spot ahead of Doig who still needs to work on his end product. Cadden on the other side has been excellent recently.
Porto will make a massive difference at the back and, along with Rocky and Hanlon, seems to form a pretty decent defensive three.
The front of the team is the other area that needs a lot of work.
Personally I would start Doidge and Nisbet up front on Saturday with either Mueller or Henderson in behind.
We still have several players to come into the team and probably one pretty big signing to come so I would be confident of things improving once that happens.
Are you Meatloaf incarnate? You took the words right out of my mouth. x13 I make it. Saved me a bit of time writing exactly the same.

[Craigmount Hibs]

So far his style has led to dismal performances, tonight was as toothless a performance as I’ve seen for a long time. When they went down to 10 men we continued to be ponderous instead of getting the ball quickly up to Doidge and try and win the second ball. It seems to me that Maloney is trying to walk before he can run and it’s not working, he needs to go much slower when changing the style to an all out passing game. We all want to see free flowing attacking football and I’m sure Maloney wants us to be playing it, but we’re so far off that at this stage. The reaction from some of the players at the end wasn’t great either, the fans turned up in decent numbers and supported the team, they got pretty much nothing in the way of entertainment back, it never really ends well when the players start giving the fans stick and Maloney should nip it in the bud quickly because it will be him that suffers if the fans turn on the team.

Spot on.

When Motherwell went down to 10 men, we changed nothing. Carried on keeping possession in our own third of the pitch, we didn't even try any alternative tactic. Sure, Henderson looked bright in his brief cameo at the time, but the half dozen coaches on the bench weren't animated, or encouraging the playes to get forward. We could/should have changed formation, and gone for the win, to go above them in the table, and closer to herts.

That's why I was frustrated. More worryingly, I cannot remember ever watching three such boring games and performances, back to back. I'm hoping there isn't arrogance in the manager thinking his style is right, and everyone else is wrong - because we all know that won't end well....

[Coco Bryce]

I won't be judging him on a horrendous winters night in Motherwell.

Didn't seem to stop Dundee Utd, Rangers or Celtic getting the job done in the same weather.

[flash]

Didn't seem to stop Dundee Utd, Rangers or Celtic getting the job done in the same weather.

Alternatively did stop Hertz, Ross County and Livingston.

[Coco Bryce]

Alternatively did stop Hertz, Ross County and Livingston.

Hearts played well from the highlights I saw. Apart from Hibs, every other team in last nights games had shots on goal.

What's your point?

[flash]

Hearts played well from the highlights I saw. Apart from Hibs, every other team in last nights games had shots on goal.

What's your point?

There isn't one.

[Coco Bryce]

There isn't one.

That's fine then :greengrin

[RossScott1991]

Midfield 3 is the issue

Until a manager changes that we ain’t creating diddly squat.

Being exposed for how much we use to just hit and hope that Boyle does it. We have boring meh footballers in the middle of the park.

[flash]

That's fine then :greengrin

There rarely is a point to my posts to be fair.

[Springbank]

Midfield remains the problem in my uneducated eyes.
That three last night are all far too similar and don't get forward enough for this system to work.
Newall is by far the best of the three and should remain as the pivot.
It looks to me as though Henderson will be the one to play " number 10" once he settles in.
The third member is up for grabs as far as I can see. In the ideal world Magennis will get fit and stay fit as he is precisely what is required in there.
The new players all look like they have something to offer and I wouldn't be surprised if Mitchell takes the wide left spot ahead of Doig who still needs to work on his end product. Cadden on the other side has been excellent recently.
Porto will make a massive difference at the back and, along with Rocky and Hanlon, seems to form a pretty decent defensive three.
The front of the team is the other area that needs a lot of work.
Personally I would start Doidge and Nisbet up front on Saturday with either Mueller or Henderson in behind.
We still have several players to come into the team and probably one pretty big signing to come so I would be confident of things improving once that happens.

Agree with every word

Jdh is playing so far within himself, at the moment, I'd like the coaching staff to show him the video of his debut at fir Park- how energetic he was then, how positive he was then, the urgency he showed then, the movement, going forward (he helped the move to win the penalty).

He needs to get back to that or to get used to that bench

[flash]

Agree with every word

Jdh is playing so far within himself, at the moment, I'd like the coaching staff to show him the video of his debut at fir Park- how energetic he was then, how positive he was then, the urgency he showed then, the movement, going forward (he helped the move to win the penalty).

He needs to get back to that or to get used to that bench

I know Newall cops the flak but he is miles ahead of the other two in what he gives us.

[MrRobot]

He’s been in the door 5 minutes, give it a ****ing rest.

[superfurryhibby]

Agree with every word

Jdh is playing so far within himself, at the moment, I'd like the coaching staff to show him the video of his debut at fir Park- how energetic he was then, how positive he was then, the urgency he showed then, the movement, going forward (he helped the move to win the penalty).

He needs to get back to that or to get used to that bench

Is JDH good enough? A few decent games in August, but since then he has been a regular part of a misfiring midfield. I’ve not been convinced by him and think we need more dynamism and forward thinking. He’s not the answer.

As for Maloney and style of play, he needs to be playing Doidge and Nisbet together and picking a side that best suits what he has at his disposal.

[Nicho87]

Taking a step back

Maloney has came up against
Celtic 2nd
Motherwell 4th
Aberdeen 6th
Dundee United (sure they were above us on Boxing Day?)

Lost to Celtic away

Jack Ross I’m not convinced at all would have mustered 2 points out all those fixtures

Believe in maloney

[JohnMcM]

He’s been in the door 5 minutes, give it a ****ing rest.

FAKE NEWS ALERT! He’s been here since 20/12/21 :greengrin

[B.H.F.C]

I know Newall cops the flak but he is miles ahead of the other two in what he gives us.

I’m not a Joe Newell but if you were just basing it on the last couple of games then I’d agree, he’s the only one who has really been involved. I hardly noticed JDH last night and Campbell runs a lot but he doesn’t really do anything.

However, on the flip side, the best we’ve looked under Maloney was without Newell playing. Having two of them playing is bad enough but playing all three we got exactly what we were going to get.

[SMAXXA]

Spot on.

When Motherwell went down to 10 men, we changed nothing. Carried on keeping possession in our own third of the pitch, we didn't even try any alternative tactic. Sure, Henderson looked bright in his brief cameo at the time, but the half dozen coaches on the bench weren't animated, or encouraging the playes to get forward. We could/should have changed formation, and gone for the win, to go above them in the table, and closer to herts.

That's why I was frustrated. More worryingly, I cannot remember ever watching three such boring games and performances, back to back. I'm hoping there isn't arrogance in the manager thinking his style is right, and everyone else is wrong - because we all know that won't end well....

Not really true we went to 2 CHs and changed the shape of just didn’t make much difference but to say we changed nothing isn’t true

[happiehibbie]

If we're playing a 2 in midfield, then Newell and JDH aren't those 2 and Campbell higher up the pitch isn't the answer either. People have to give Maloney a chance to get the correct players in, it will take until at least the summer, until then we play who we have.

Mueller still getting match fit, Henderson the same, Mitchell only signed the day before, still to replace Boyle, Melkerson in a new country and team and a you g lad needing time to settle. People need to get a grip and see the type of player Maloney is after and the style he wants to play, doesn't happen overnight.

JC
The fans have been going through change since Turnbull tornadoes :)

[J-C]

Midfield 3 is the issue

Until a manager changes that we ain’t creating diddly squat.

Being exposed for how much we use to just hit and hope that Boyle does it. We have boring meh footballers in the middle of the park.

Therin lies the problem, wr shouldn't be playing a midfield 3, Maloney wants a 343 which is 2 in the middle 2 attacking miss and a striker. The 2 in the middle need to be dynamic and work hard box2box types, we only have Magennis who fits that bill. 343 can change to 3412/3421 depending on who we have but it's still 2 in the middle.

[J-C]

JC
The fans have been going through change since Turnbull tornadoes :)

You're not wrong S, howz you and the family, well I hope?

[IncredibleHibee]

My opinion has always been we should have given Jack Ross until the end of the season to see if he could turn things around with new additions. My feeling was he would have. I've always been concerned at the appointment of Maloney but still far too early to have an informed opinion on him. My concern really is that anyone can talk a good game but I've not seen any substance. Yes he has been in involved with coaching Belgium but that is a team of the best players in the world. They play slow, dully possession based football with little cutting edge. They are arguable the best national team in the world with a golden generation of players and have not been able to reach a final, nevermind win something.

[flash]

My opinion has always been we should have given Jack Ross until the end of the season to see if he could turn things around with new additions. My feeling was he would have. I've always been concerned at the appointment of Maloney but still far too early to have an informed opinion on him. My concern really is that anyone can talk a good game but I've not seen any substance. Yes he has been in involved with coaching Belgium but that is a team of the best players in the world. They play slow, dully possession based football with little cutting edge. They are arguable the best national team in the world with a golden generation of players and have not been able to reach a final, nevermind win something.
You say it's too early to have an opinion then spend the rest of the time slating him.

[Since90+2]

My opinion has always been we should have given Jack Ross until the end of the season to see if he could turn things around with new additions. My feeling was he would have. I've always been concerned at the appointment of Maloney but still far too early to have an informed opinion on him. My concern really is that anyone can talk a good game but I've not seen any substance. Yes he has been in involved with coaching Belgium but that is a team of the best players in the world. They play slow, dully possession based football with little cutting edge. They are arguable the best national team in the world with a golden generation of players and have not been able to reach a final, nevermind win something.

Belgium play slow dull football with little cutting edge? That's up there with some of the most bonkers things that have ever been said on here.

[Ozyhibby]

I’m not a Joe Newell but if you were just basing it on the last couple of games then I’d agree, he’s the only one who has really been involved. I hardly noticed JDH last night and Campbell runs a lot but he doesn’t really do anything.

However, on the flip side, the best we’ve looked under Maloney was without Newell playing. Having two of them playing is bad enough but playing all three we got exactly what we were going to get.

The best we have looked under Maloney was without Joe Newall? Mmmmm……. I wonder…[emoji6]


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[J-C]

My opinion has always been we should have given Jack Ross until the end of the season to see if he could turn things around with new additions. My feeling was he would have. I've always been concerned at the appointment of Maloney but still far too early to have an informed opinion on him. My concern really is that anyone can talk a good game but I've not seen any substance. Yes he has been in involved with coaching Belgium but that is a team of the best players in the world. They play slow, dully possession based football with little cutting edge. They are arguable the best national team in the world with a golden generation of players and have not been able to reach a final, nevermind win something.

Yet slag him off at every opportunity comparing him to Cathro. I think whatever opinions you have I'll ignore or thanks.

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

Hearts played well from the highlights I saw.

I thought so too, getting a tad concerned about next week's game.

[GreenCastle]

Belgium play slow dull football with little cutting edge? That's up there with some of the most bonkers things that have ever been said on here.

Someone posted Belgium play dull football and few others have started saying this.

Just google or YouTube some of their games and tell me it's dull.

What they do have is strong - powerful attacking players who run with the ball and can dribble / create. Everything we don't have in final 3rd.

Belgium don't actually put that many crosses into the box.

I don't think we have an issue at the back it's going forward - central midfield drive - a playmaker and a striker who can finish. Get these 3 right and it will make the possession football have a cutting edge.

[Gordy M]

I thought so too, getting a tad concerned about next week's game.

I watched most of the Hearts game, Celtic absolutely thumped them in the first half, could easily have been 4 or 5 up. Hearts came into a bit in the 2nd half.....celtic missing quite a few playerss and it showed as the game went on.

[Danderhall Hibs]

Someone posted Belgium play dull football and few others have started saying this.



Unfortunately it's the way of the world now. Same happened with Macey's distribution, Newell "Only" passing backwards and Hibs playing dull football when finishing 3rd and being 3rd topscorers last season. Social media (and messageboards) are a bit contagious with this stuff.

[JXM73]

One thing thats annoying me is the everyone behind the ball for set pieces...no one up front for an out ball, ffs even Cove left a player up top against us...

As for the rest, time will tell...

[Since90+2]

If Furuhashi had played yesterday Celtic would have won at a canter. Similarly, if he'd been injured for the cup final I think there's a good chance we'd have won it.

My point is Hearts are nothing to be feared. They are clearly better than last season, but on our day we are more than capable of beating them.

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

I watched most of the Hearts game, Celtic absolutely thumped them in the first half, could easily have been 4 or 5 up. Hearts came into a bit in the 2nd half.....celtic missing quite a few playerss and it showed as the game went on.

I watched it too. They'll cause us more problems than we will them.

[Gordy M]

I watched it too.

So you thoight Hearts played well in the first half? Well we will just have to disagree then. I thoight they were absolutely terrible.

[Hibs90]

Midfield and striker is the problem for me. JDH isn’t good enough and shouldn’t be a starter. Had done absolutely nothing after returning from covid/injury whatever it was. Newell can drop back to his role when Magennis is back hopefully and I appreciate Campbells energy and pressing but he is very ineffective in general play and should be nowhere near the starting XI.

Nisbet and his general play are not bad but I wish he’d work harder to get on the end of Caddens deliveries. Never gets in front of his marker and when he loses possession often just stands there and it’s infuriating. If a suitable offer comes in I’d take it and see what we can get.

It’s early days but Maloney already has his critics expecting far too much too soon. Not to mention the injuries and suspensions and als the fact we’ve lost our most creative and influential player.

The style has changed but we lack penetration and creativity and that will take time and more than 5/6 games and one transfer window to rectify. What we are seeing now shows how Ross Hibs team was reliant on Boyle.

[Smartie]

I'm not sure it's a"midfield 3" that is the problem but it's the right area.

The back 3 have been fine, very good in fact. I don't really want to see Lewis Stevenson lose his place, I think he's been superb so far under Maloney and he also captained the side last night.

The wingbacks are fine, and Mitchell showed a beautiful burst of pace at one point last night, so might be an improvement on Doig. Doig had a few good bursting runs and the odd good ball into the box but his touch and passing were brutal at times. As I said though, I don't think the problem lies here.

The rest of it is an f'ing mess for me - the 2 central midfielders, the lone striker and whatever the other 2 behind the striker are. I just don't see how we fashion chances. Through balls in behind their defence? Running at and beating players?

We look to have a decent threat from crosses from wide, especially Cadden. We have absolutely no height in the team so look pretty impotent at set pieces. Nisbet up front on his own? Well, we've done that to death. He worked reasonably hard last night, had very little service and I can't ever work out whether I think he's being hung out to dry or just a waste of space. Needless to say, I'd never be playing him in any lone striker system.


I know it's early days, and I'm happy with the fact that we're not losing goals but I'm quite far from impressed so far. To be honest - I just don't get it. I just don't see how this type of football scores goals, and let's face it - that's what we go along to see.

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

So you thoight Hearts played well in the first half? Well we will just have to disagree then. I thoight they were absolutely terrible.

They started the game well, if they start like that against us they'll probably get their heads in front, hopefully I'm wrong.

[B.H.F.C]

The best we have looked under Maloney was without Joe Newall? Mmmmm……. I wonder…[emoji6]


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Doesn’t miss many games but our record when he does is pretty good.

Don’t really intend to start another Joe Newell debate, our midfield is poor in general.

[Cod Boy]

They started the game well, if they start like that against us they'll probably get their heads in front, hopefully I'm wrong.

If teams get first goal against Hibs I can’t see them getting back into the game at the moment.

[MWHIBBIES]

The best we have looked under Maloney was without Joe Newall? Mmmmm……. I wonder…[emoji6]


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Yeah, that massive sample size.

Newell is undoubtedly our best central midfield player and he's playing well. Will continue to start.

[Itsnoteasy]

Someone posted Belgium play dull football and few others have started saying this.

Just google or YouTube some of their games and tell me it's dull.

What they do have is strong - powerful attacking players who run with the ball and can dribble / create. Everything we don't have in final 3rd.

Belgium don't actually put that many crosses into the box.

I don't think we have an issue at the back it's going forward - central midfield drive - a playmaker and a striker who can finish. Get these 3 right and it will make the possession football have a cutting edge.


Whose to say our style is based on Belgium. Also 🇧🇪 national ream have won the same amount of trophies as Levein & Mckay.

[superfurryhibby]

I watched most of the Hearts game, Celtic absolutely thumped them in the first half, could easily have been 4 or 5 up. Hearts came into a bit in the 2nd half.....celtic missing quite a few playerss and it showed as the game went on.

Pretty much spot on. They were rubbish first half and improved after the break. The goal changed the pattern of the game.

Didn't really see much from Simms either. A big lad who won a couple of (mistimed) headers, didn't do much else. The last twenty minutes was very open and fairly frenetic. Then they actually looked half decent. Souttar was very good throughout (despite what some Jambo supporting mates tell people) and Halkett went off injured.

Hearts pressed |Celtic high up the pitch and that gives me the fear a bit, we will be punished if we fanny about on the ball at the back. Equally, a lone striker and the current midfield approach will be meat and drink to them.

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

Pretty much spot on. They were rubbish first half and improved after the break. The goal changed the pattern of the game.

Didn't really see much from Simms either. A big lad who won a couple of (mistimed) headers, didn't do much else. The last twenty minutes was very open and fairly frenetic. Then they actually looked half decent. Souttar was very good throughout (despite what some Jambo supporting mates tell people) and Halkett went off injured.

Hearts pressed |Celtic high up the pitch and that gives me the fear a bit, we will be punished if we fanny about on the ball at the back. Equally, a lone striker and the current midfield approach will be meat and drink to them.

Hearts pressing us high up the pitch is the thing that concerns me most about next week.

[Since90+2]

Hearts pressing us high up the pitch is the thing that concerns me most about next week.

We should have Porteous who is comfortable on the ball which is important against a high press.

The high press has it's disadvantages too though, if we can transition the ball quickly enough through the press there will be more space for us to attack into. It's also more difficult to do on bigger pitches like ER as opposed to Tynecastle.

[Phil MaGlass]

I'm not sure it's a"midfield 3" that is the problem but it's the right area.

The back 3 have been fine, very good in fact. I don't really want to see Lewis Stevenson lose his place, I think he's been superb so far under Maloney and he also captained the side last night.

The wingbacks are fine, and Mitchell showed a beautiful burst of pace at one point last night, so might be an improvement on Doig. Doig had a few good bursting runs and the odd good ball into the box but his touch and passing were brutal at times. As I said though, I don't think the problem lies here.

The rest of it is an f'ing mess for me - the 2 central midfielders, the lone striker and whatever the other 2 behind the striker are. I just don't see how we fashion chances. Through balls in behind their defence? Running at and beating players?

We look to have a decent threat from crosses from wide, especially Cadden. We have absolutely no height in the team so look pretty impotent at set pieces. Nisbet up front on his own? Well, we've done that to death. He worked reasonably hard last night, had very little service and I can't ever work out whether I think he's being hung out to dry or just a waste of space. Needless to say, I'd never be playing him in any lone striker system.


I know it's early days, and I'm happy with the fact that we're not losing goals but I'm quite far from impressed so far. To be honest - I just don't get it. I just don't see how this type of football scores goals, and let's face it - that's what we go along to see.

I agree with everything you said, where are the goals coming from, its only a matter of time before folk start getting restless with Maloney. The team needs time to gel and settle, one striker is mince and doesnae work, not with Nisbet on his own anyway. There needs to be a vast improvement from midfield to front.

[Since452]

I watched most of the Hearts game, Celtic absolutely thumped them in the first half, could easily have been 4 or 5 up. Hearts came into a bit in the 2nd half.....celtic missing quite a few playerss and it showed as the game went on.

Vey, very similar to our game against them at Easter Road. Completely outclassed in the first half, Better in the second.

[davhibby]

I'm not sure it's a"midfield 3" that is the problem but it's the right area.

The back 3 have been fine, very good in fact. I don't really want to see Lewis Stevenson lose his place, I think he's been superb so far under Maloney and he also captained the side last night.

The wingbacks are fine, and Mitchell showed a beautiful burst of pace at one point last night, so might be an improvement on Doig. Doig had a few good bursting runs and the odd good ball into the box but his touch and passing were brutal at times. As I said though, I don't think the problem lies here.

The rest of it is an f'ing mess for me - the 2 central midfielders, the lone striker and whatever the other 2 behind the striker are. I just don't see how we fashion chances. Through balls in behind their defence? Running at and beating players?

We look to have a decent threat from crosses from wide, especially Cadden. We have absolutely no height in the team so look pretty impotent at set pieces. Nisbet up front on his own? Well, we've done that to death. He worked reasonably hard last night, had very little service and I can't ever work out whether I think he's being hung out to dry or just a waste of space. Needless to say, I'd never be playing him in any lone striker system.


I know it's early days, and I'm happy with the fact that we're not losing goals but I'm quite far from impressed so far. To be honest - I just don't get it. I just don't see how this type of football scores goals, and let's face it - that's what we go along to see.

I think the back 3 has been a major part of our problem in the last two games. Only Rocky looks comfortable playing tight passes out of defence. Stevenson was taken off last night for repeatedly shelling the ball up to the motherwell defence in the second half. Porteous will make a huge difference and I think we’ll see a difference in the midfield two with him being back as Porto and Rocky won’t be only playing flat passes straight at them. If Hanlon is back too then even better as that would hopefully allow Rocky to play on the left of the 3.

[Shrekko]

I just don't get it. I just don't see how this type of football scores goals, and let's face it - that's what we go along to see.

That's what's worried me. The United game was decent enough (although we did still have Boyle then), but the other 4 games under SM- we scored from a set piece v Aberdeen, took extra time to score against Cove and didn't really look like scoring v Celtic and Motherwell.

If you don't get up the park with any kind of speed you're just allowing teams to get back into shape and create their 2 deep walls of defence which become really difficult to penetrate- especially as we have no physical presence up front.

This is Scotland where you're up against hammer throwers, terrible weather and teams who are quite happy to sit in. We need to be able to mix it up a bit. This modern possession based no risk football can be deadly boring even when it's teams like Man City playing it - I just don't see it being what we want to see week in week out.

[Skol]

I need to start by saying I felt we were too hasty in getting rid of Ross. I know we were on a bad run, but Ross had a good record in his time with us and he deserved more time. Ross apparently played negative football, but thats a matter of opinion and I dont think it was as bad as some thought. But thats in the past and we move on.


I thought I saw signs of a different style in the first two games under maloney, but since then we appear to have regressed. I have my concerns but agree we need to give maloney time. However it needs to be accepted that a section of our support didnt accept Ross for these very reasons of what we are seeing unfold.

We seem to have stopped the high press which I thought worked in our favour. With the 2 wide wing backs and some of the midfield pushing forward, we are lacking bodies and options in midfield. This is a major issue and needs addressed Up front we are lacking any cutting edge. Granted we have lost boyle who was the main threat and that doesnt make it easy.

Lets hope we have some of our absent players back on Saturday and we start to see some more of the early positive signs.

[ozwoody]

We have got a manager who was assistant with the number 1 ranked national team in the world, which he was obviously a part of the coaching set up, yet we bitch ans whine when he tries to bring that into our club. He's been here 6 weeks ffs. Ange the posty had worst start to celtic in 75 years yet he never changed his vision of how they must play, and they seem to be doing ok. Give the guy a break and see where he can take us

[Since452]

We have got a manager who was assistant with the number 1 ranked national team in the world, which he was obviously a part of the coaching set up, yet we bitch ans whine when he tries to bring that into our club. He's been here 6 weeks ffs. Ange the posty had worst start to celtic in 75 years yet he never changed his vision of how they must play, and they seem to be doing ok. Give the guy a break and see where he can take us

Good post :agree:

[Danderhall Hibs]

I think the back 3 has been a major part of our problem in the last two games. Only Rocky looks comfortable playing tight passes out of defence. Stevenson was taken off last night for repeatedly shelling the ball up to the motherwell defence in the second half. Porteous will make a huge difference and I think we’ll see a difference in the midfield two with him being back as Porto and Rocky won’t be only playing flat passes straight at them. If Hanlon is back too then even better as that would hopefully allow Rocky to play on the left of the 3.

Won’t Hanlon be on the left and either of Porteous or Rocky on the right (the other in the middle)?

[Danderhall Hibs]

We have got a manager who was assistant with the number 1 ranked national team in the world, which he was obviously a part of the coaching set up, yet we bitch ans whine when he tries to bring that into our club. He's been here 6 weeks ffs. Ange the posty had worst start to celtic in 75 years yet he never changed his vision of how they must play, and they seem to be doing ok. Give the guy a break and see where he can take us

Yip - good point. Some folk are too quick to have an opinion. Especially one they won’t be willing to change.

[ozwoody]

Yip - good point. Some folk are too quick to have an opinion. Especially one they won’t be willing to change.
Amazes me that we are so trigger happy and full of options. It's like watching greys anatomy and deciding we know better how to give heart transplant. I'm all for people voicing opinions, but at least see where Shaun's vision is.

[lord bunberry]

Amazes me that we are so trigger happy and full of options. It's like watching greys anatomy and deciding we know better how to give heart transplant. I'm all for people voicing opinions, but at least see where Shaun's vision is.
Trigger happy? Surely you’re not saying that there’s fans wanting him sacked? He’s going to need a lot of time to implement his vision and if he’s not flexible in doing so he’ll face a lot of criticism along the way. With the players we had available and the weather conditions last night we needed to be much more flexible in our approach, that was brutally obvious when Motherwell went down to 10 men. I’d imagine all hibs fans want to see us play in the same style as Belgium, but even Belgium didn’t go from being also rans to the number 1 team in the world by just changing manager, they had a complete revolution in how they approached coaching, it took years to come to fruition. Maloney maybe needs a reality check if he wants to be a successful club manager.

[davhibby]

Won’t Hanlon be on the left and either of Porteous or Rocky on the right (the other in the middle)?

My thinking behind it is that Hanlon is more limited (but still perfectly capable) on the ball so having him in the middle of the three means he’s under less pressure in possession. Also having the more experienced defender in the centre is a good idea when it’s two young guys alongside him.

[WhileTheChief..]

If Furuhashi had played yesterday Celtic would have won at a canter. Similarly, if he'd been injured for the cup final I think there's a good chance we'd have won it.

My point is Hearts are nothing to be feared. They are clearly better than last season, but on our day we are more than capable of beating them.

They have a far better team than us now, their recruitment has been pretty sound since RN got the job.

[WhileTheChief..]

Yip - good point. Some folk are too quick to have an opinion. Especially one they won’t be willing to change.


What do you mean with this?

Nobody on this forum has set out with an anti-Maloney agenda, everyone wants him to succeed.

I find the football boring though, same as I found it boring the last couple of years, even when finishing 3rd. If the football becomes exciting then of course my opinion will change.

Also, being bored or excited by something isn't a voluntary reaction, it just happens, so you can't blame anyone for how they feel!!

[Danderhall Hibs]

What do you mean with this?

Nobody on this forum has set out with an anti-Maloney agenda, everyone wants him to succeed.

I find the football boring though, same as I found it boring the last couple of years, even when finishing 3rd. If the football becomes exciting then of course my opinion will change.

Also, being bored or excited by something isn't a voluntary reaction, it just happens, so you can't blame anyone for how they feel!!

Just that folk seem unwilling to change their mind after forming an opinion. That doesn’t mean everyone is the same - I like to think I can change my mind as well.

[GreenGray]

What do you mean with this?

Nobody on this forum has set out with an anti-Maloney agenda, everyone wants him to succeed.

I find the football boring though, same as I found it boring the last couple of years, even when finishing 3rd. If the football becomes exciting then of course my opinion will change.

Also, being bored or excited by something isn't a voluntary reaction, it just happens, so you can't blame anyone for how they feel!!

There is 100% people on this forum who are Anti-Maloney who have barely given him a chance. Seen some outrageous things said about him

[The 90+2]

Just that folk seem unwilling to change their mind after forming an opinion. That doesn’t mean everyone is the same - I like to think I can change my mind as well.


If we are winning and playing well opinions will change.

It's more stubborn the other way - back the manager until sacked then it's all his fault afterall and back the next guy who can do no wrong.

I'll be delighted if Maloney works out. I've seen very little to show he's an improvement though apart from having Belgium assistant on his CV - that doesn't make you a good manager though.

[The 90+2]

There is 100% people on this forum who are Anti-Maloney who have barely given him a chance. Seen some outrageous things said about him


Why on earth would anyone be anti-wanting our manager to do well? :confused:

[Since90+2]

They have a far better team than us now, their recruitment has been pretty sound since RN got the job.

Don't agree with that.

[easty]

They have a far better team than us now, their recruitment has been pretty sound since RN got the job.

Completely disagree.

They have the best keeper in the league, who’s won them plenty of points himself this season. The rest of that teams no better than ours.

[Since90+2]

Completely disagree.

They have the best keeper in the league, who’s won them plenty of points himself this season. The rest of that teams no better than ours.

Yip. Take Gordon out the Hearts team and put them in our side and I'd be pretty confident we'd be at least level pegging with Hearts the now.

[superfurryhibby]

There is 100% people on this forum who are Anti-Maloney who have barely given him a chance. Seen some outrageous things said about him

Dramatic or what, can you quote some of these outrageous posts or are you just trying to stir things up a bit?

[WhileTheChief..]

I'll be delighted if Maloney works out. I've seen very little to show he's an improvement though apart from having Belgium assistant on his CV - that doesn't make you a good manager though.

:top marksSums up the situation perfectly.

I've nothing against Maloney, he seems like a nice guy. I don't think he'll be with us long though.

[Rumble de Thump]

If we are winning and playing well opinions will change.

It's more stubborn the other way - back the manager until sacked then it's all his fault afterall and back the next guy who can do no wrong.

I'll be delighted if Maloney works out. I've seen very little to show he's an improvement though apart from having Belgium assistant on his CV - that doesn't make you a good manager though.

The improved performances and results, a few clean sheets and looking far less likely to concede from crosses are a decent start.

[J-C]

Why on earth would anyone be anti-wanting our manager to do well? :confused:

The same ones greetin when Ross was sacked, some people put too much emotion into manager's of the club and should just concentrate on supporting the club.

[silverhibee]

To be honest, I felt sorry for Nisbet tonight. Put in a lot of work but rarely got the ball in anything like a remotely threatening area.
If the only chances we are going to create are from crosses it’s probably better we play Doidge up front.

Maloney seems a bit insecure given he felt the need to have a go at Ross and if he is unhappy with fan reaction tonight. He better toughen up if he wants to make it in management.


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1st minute he had great chance to test the goalkeeper, but dithered, I like Nisbet but something just not clicking with him just now, Doidge missed a good chance at end of game, both chances were in very good areas where they should have done better and should have been getting these shots on target.

[silverhibee]

No doubt about it. No shots on target against a poor Motherwell side, never posed a threat throughout the game. It was dismal and he must know it.

That’s not true, we did pose a threat, good crosses in to the box and both Nisbet and Doidge should have been hitting the target with there very good chances that they had.

[silverhibee]

Is this a poor Motherwell side? They are doing quite well arnt they?

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Above us but according to the managers on here we should be pumping them at there ground.

[Sergio sledge]

Hearts pressing us high up the pitch is the thing that concerns me most about next week.

I think the fact that not many teams in the premiership employ the high press is one of our biggest issues with our style of play to be honest. Most teams sit in and are happy to surrender possession until we get into the final third. At that point when they do start pressing everything is compressed and there isn't enough space for us to work in.

It ends up making us look slow and ponderous and lacking ideas.

If we play against a team that presses high, in theory we should be able to use quick passing to get out of the press and exploit the space up the pitch.

Needs bravery from the players though and a back 3 who can play things calmly under pressure. Having Porteous and Hanlon back should help.

[green with envy]

What do you mean with this?

Nobody on this forum has set out with an anti-Maloney agenda, everyone wants him to succeed.

I find the football boring though, same as I found it boring the last couple of years, even when finishing 3rd. If the football becomes exciting then of course my opinion will change.

Also, being bored or excited by something isn't a voluntary reaction, it just happens, so you can't blame anyone for how they feel!!

Perhaps watching Hibs isn't for you anymore. I've been following Hibs H&A for around 45 years and I'm lucky if I've seen 10 years of exciting football. However, I'll keep being the optimist when it come to Hibs.

[easty]

They have a far better team than us now, their recruitment has been pretty sound since RN got the job.

Completely disagree.

They have the best keeper in the league, who’s won them plenty of points himself this season. The rest of that teams no better than ours.

[silverhibee]

I’m not a Joe Newell but if you were just basing it on the last couple of games then I’d agree, he’s the only one who has really been involved. I hardly noticed JDH last night and Campbell runs a lot but he doesn’t really do anything.

However, on the flip side, the best we’ve looked under Maloney was without Newell playing. Having two of them playing is bad enough but playing all three we got exactly what we were going to get.

I think Maloney will stick with Newell, but once Henderson is fully sharp then he will come in for imo JDH, I think Campbell will get more games to see if he can improve.

[GreenCastle]

Completely disagree.

They have the best keeper in the league, who’s won them plenty of points himself this season. The rest of that teams no better than ours.

There are several players in that Hearts team I would take at Hibs.

Wouldn’t say that a past few seasons but Boyce for example is far more effective than Nisbet / Doidge.

McKay would fit perfect into our system has been one of Hearts best players last few games.

Our crap summer recruitment has put us back 6 months.

[Jones28]

There are several players in that Hearts team I would take at Hibs.

Wouldn’t say that a past few seasons but Boyce for example is far more effective than Nisbet / Doidge.

McKay would fit perfect into our system has been one of Hearts best players last few games.

Our crap summer recruitment has put us back 6 months.

It’s put us back a whole season, and a very important one financially at that. It was no secret how important it was to get third place this year and the summer recruitment right and it was a complete **** up.

[GreenCastle]

It’s put us back a whole season, and a very important one financially at that. It was no secret how important it was to get third place this year and the summer recruitment right and it was a complete **** up.

Maybe I was being too kind - it was a mess and even the average punter was asking questions.

No striker added then Doidge gets injured.

I think we got away with it during covid season but at same time missed out on huge opportunity to win silverware as we didn’t bring in depth.

[Danderhall Hibs]

The same ones greetin when Ross was sacked, some people put too much emotion into manager's of the club and should just concentrate on supporting the club.

Totally agree - there's no point being invested in the manager; he'll be here (and the next one and the next one after that) for max 3 years, more than likely less. Support the team and stop the bickering.

[flash]

They have a far better team than us now, their recruitment has been pretty sound since RN got the job.

We shall see.

[GreenGray]

If we are winning and playing well opinions will change.

It's more stubborn the other way - back the manager until sacked then it's all his fault afterall and back the next guy who can do no wrong.

I'll be delighted if Maloney works out. I've seen very little to show he's an improvement though apart from having Belgium assistant on his CV - that doesn't make you a good manager though.

Nabbed this from Twitter but surely this is an improvement?

JR last 5 games in charge
3pts
No Clean Sheets
3 Goals scored
5 Goals conceded

Maloney first 5 games in charge
7 Points and cup win
3 Clean Sheets
5 goals scored
3 goals conceded

[WhileTheChief..]

Perhaps watching Hibs isn't for you anymore. I've been following Hibs H&A for around 45 years and I'm lucky if I've seen 10 years of exciting football. However, I'll keep being the optimist when it come to Hibs.

Ah, yeah, that's it, thanks for helping me out :rolleyes:

[The 90+2]

Nabbed this from Twitter but surely this is an improvement?

JR last 5 games in charge
3pts
No Clean Sheets
3 Goals scored
5 Goals conceded

Maloney first 5 games in charge
7 Points and cup win
3 Clean Sheets
5 goals scored
3 goals conceded

You forgot pumping the champions at hampden in they stats. You also forgot covid and injuries, something Jack was meant to be cut a lot of slack over.

[The 90+2]

Perhaps watching Hibs isn't for you anymore. I've been following Hibs H&A for around 45 years and I'm lucky if I've seen 10 years of exciting football. However, I'll keep being the optimist when it come to Hibs.


That's going to help get the crowds back right enough. :greengrin

Dinnae like it - bolt.

Bolt - the manager gets his jotters.

[Heisenberg]

Nabbed this from Twitter but surely this is an improvement?

JR last 5 games in charge
3pts
No Clean Sheets
3 Goals scored
5 Goals conceded

Maloney first 5 games in charge
7 Points and cup win
3 Clean Sheets
5 goals scored
3 goals conceded

A very clear improvement. Hopefully keep building on it this weekend.

[Stevie Reid]

You forgot pumping the champions at hampden in they stats. You also forgot covid and injuries, something Jack was meant to be cut a lot of slack over.

The Rangers semi final win was his 6th last game.

Though Ross did take 4 points from his last 5 games, original post said 3 points.

[Smartie]

Nabbed this from Twitter but surely this is an improvement?

JR last 5 games in charge
3pts
No Clean Sheets
3 Goals scored
5 Goals conceded

Maloney first 5 games in charge
7 Points and cup win
3 Clean Sheets
5 goals scored
3 goals conceded

I was hugely optimistic after Maloney's first 2 games.

The last 3 have knocked that confidence in a big way as it hasn't been pretty. OK, it's been pretty awful.

But the point made is a decent one - the points total and the end result hasn't been unacceptable. We lost at Celtic Park, as one might expect. We got through the cup tie against an awkward opponent. We got a point away to the team directly above us in the league. All of that was whilst playing poorly.

To play poorly but progress in competitions and pick up points can be considered to be a strength.

So I take on board the point about his points return so far.

I just wished that I was looking forward to the weekend with confidence. TBH I just wished I was looking forward to watch Hibs play and I'm not, as it has all the hallmarks of a frustrating afternoon. Stuffy opponent, restless crowd, a team still trying to adapt to a new way of playing.

3 games ago I thought we had a great chance of catching and leapfrogging Hearts. Right now I think we've got no chance and that's not because I think they're any good.

[Hibs90]

If we are winning and playing well opinions will change.

It's more stubborn the other way - back the manager until sacked then it's all his fault afterall and back the next guy who can do no wrong.

I'll be delighted if Maloney works out. I've seen very little to show he's an improvement though apart from having Belgium assistant on his CV - that doesn't make you a good manager though.

I’ve seen more than a little. Clear difference in style, that whilst lacking creatively will be more effective in time with the right players. Results have improved whether you like it or not.

You’ve been anti-Maloney from the get go. It’s boring.

[happiehibbie]

You're not wrong S, howz you and the family, well I hope?


All good racking up Grandkids if they keep misbehaving I will take them to ER

[J-C]

All good racking up Grandkids if they keep misbehaving I will take them to ER


Haha

[Tambo]

Nothing would fall to Nisbet or an advance player in the game until the Doidge chance.

So far it seems we still struggle to break down teams who sit back, even at Celtic park they just backed off us.

I'm hoping a few things click on Saturday.

[BoomtownHibees]

You forgot pumping the champions at hampden in they stats. You also forgot covid and injuries, something Jack was meant to be cut a lot of slack over.

Maloney is also having to now play without having the same player who won that game for us

[Keith_M]

That's what's worried me. The United game was decent enough (although we did still have Boyle then), but the other 4 games under SM- we scored from a set piece v Aberdeen, took extra time to score against Cove and didn't really look like scoring v Celtic and Motherwell.

If you don't get up the park with any kind of speed you're just allowing teams to get back into shape and create their 2 deep walls of defence which become really difficult to penetrate- especially as we have no physical presence up front.

This is Scotland where you're up against hammer throwers, terrible weather and teams who are quite happy to sit in. We need to be able to mix it up a bit. This modern possession based no risk football can be deadly boring even when it's teams like Man City playing it - I just don't see it being what we want to see week in week out.


Three games so far this year and a grand total of one goal, in extra time, against Cove.

That's really worrying and needs to be addressed.

[Since452]

We are a much better team with Porteous in it. Looking forward to Saturday.

[007]

Taking a step back

Maloney has came up against
Celtic 2nd
Motherwell 4th
Aberdeen 6th
Dundee United (sure they were above us on Boxing Day?)

Lost to Celtic away

Jack Ross I’m not convinced at all would have mustered 2 points out all those fixtures

Believe in maloney

When he 1st came in I feared we'd be getting 0 points in his 1st 4 fixtures, which at that time included the derby, so I'm very happy with 7 out of 12. 2 home games up next and 6 points will go a long way to winning over those out of patience, particularly if we win the derby.

[Gmack7]

Porteous Rocky and Hanlon should be a formidable 3, hope Hanlon is fit

[lord bunberry]

When he 1st came in I feared we'd be getting 0 points in his 1st 4 fixtures, which at that time included the derby, so I'm very happy with 7 out of 12. 2 home games up next and 6 points will go a long way to winning over those out of patience, particularly if we win the derby.

The derby is massive for him. Win it and he’ll be a hero, lose it and he’ll get grief. I suppose that’s the case for any hibs manager, but winning his first derby will go a long way towards convincing fans he’s the man for the job.

[MWHIBBIES]

The derby is massive for him. Win it and he’ll be a hero, lose it and he’ll get grief. I suppose that’s the case for any hibs manager, but winning his first derby will go a long way towards convincing fans he’s the man for the job.

Well, until he loses his 2nd one. Rosses 2nd one got talked about far more than his 1st one.

Tbh, an element of this support will never be pleased.

[Hiber-nation]

The derby is massive for him. Win it and he’ll be a hero, lose it and he’ll get grief. I suppose that’s the case for any hibs manager, but winning his first derby will go a long way towards convincing fans he’s the man for the job.

Don't know about that.....remember the Horgan game at the piggery under Hecky. We were brilliant that day. A false dawn if ever there was one.

[The Modfather]

Well, until he loses his 2nd one. Rosses 2nd one got talked about far more than his 1st one.

Tbh, an element of this support will never be pleased.

Are you still measuring Maloneys first 10 games directly against Ross’ first 10 games? How is the comparison looking and will Maloney survive his first 10 games?

[MWHIBBIES]

Are you still measuring Maloneys first 10 games directly against Ross’ first 10 games? How is the comparison looking and will Maloney survive his first 10 games?

Its weird how obsessed some people are with me on here.

I'm fully behind any Hibs manager, especially after 5 bloody games. Lets not be daft here and think that there isn't a very big 10 days coming up for Shaun. He really needs to get it right

[The Modfather]

Its weird how obsessed some people are with me on here.

I'm fully behind any Hibs manager, especially after 5 bloody games. Lets not be daft here and think that there isn't a very big 10 days coming up for Shaun. He really needs to get it right

That’s fair enough. Doesn’t answer my question and it was your 10 game comparison you made, but I’ll leave it there.

[WhileTheChief..]

I don’t think there’s any more pressure on this derby than before. If anything there’s been very little said about it.

Folk will be disappointed if we lose but I don’t think we’ll see a meltdown on here or chants of Maloney must go!

[HibbyAndy]

I don’t think there’s any more pressure on this derby than before. If anything there’s been very little said about it.

Folk will be disappointed if we lose but I don’t think we’ll see a meltdown on here or chants of Maloney must go!



Want a bet ?

[Boss_Nass]

Was there last night. Maloney persisted with back five with wingbacks even when Well’ went down to ten. Far too defensive and just didn’t work. Huge missed opportunity.

[B.H.F.C]

Was there last night. Maloney persisted with back five with wingbacks even when Well’ went down to ten. Far too defensive and just didn’t work. Huge missed opportunity.

Thought the changes he made were fine after the sending off, defensive minded players off and more attack minded players on. Game was constantly stopping after the red though.

I was more annoyed at what I saw before that. It was clear the game was just drifting along and our first change was to bring Drey Wright on.

[Boss_Nass]

Thought the changes he made were fine after the sending off, defensive minded players off and more attack minded players on. Game was constantly stopping after the red though.

I was more annoyed at what I saw before that. It was clear the game was just drifting along and our first change was to bring Drey Wright on.


Wright getting a game is bemusing. Don’t know why Doidge wasn’t brought on sooner albeit he did miss an absolute sitter.

[DetroitHibs]

Wright getting a game is bemusing. Don’t know why Doidge wasn’t brought on sooner albeit he did miss an absolute sitter.

Come on be fair. It was a good chance, but no way a sitter.

[J-C]

Was there last night. Maloney persisted with back five with wingbacks even when Well’ went down to ten. Far too defensive and just didn’t work. Huge missed opportunity.

Finished the game with Doidge, Nisbet, Wright, Mitchell and Henderson who's an attacking mid, pretty attacking I'd say, oh and 2 attacking wingbacks.

[Jones28]

Wright getting a game is bemusing. Don’t know why Doidge wasn’t brought on sooner albeit he did miss an absolute sitter.

The Wright that played against Dundee United getting an opportunity wasn’t at all bemusing.

[Martymck]

Spot on
Totally agree - there's no point being invested in the manager; he'll be here (and the next one and the next one after that) for max 3 years, more than likely less. Support the team and stop the bickering.

[B.H.F.C]

The Wright that played against Dundee United getting an opportunity wasn’t at all bemusing.

If you want someone to come on and provide a greater attacking threat, it’s bemusing. He did all right against Utd and Celtic but just in terms of being disciplined. If we continue to bring him on, we’ll continue to struggle in the final third IMO.

[LaMotta]

The Wright that played against Dundee United getting an opportunity wasn’t at all bemusing.

I understand that Scott Allan isn't the player he used to be and his time may be nearing the end here, but its baffling that Wright gets on before him. Scott Allan created more in 20 minutes at McDiarmid Park than Drey Wright has in his entire Hibs career.

Really puzzled by a number of Maloney's decisions so far, including his insistence on playing Campbell and the lack of game time for Doidge.

[Martymck]

Getting really tired of this instant gratification society these days ,you think players learn to be professional players overnight,and managers ,many great players teams and managers took time :confused:

[Hibby Bairn]

Haven't read the full thread. But Maloney has made a very good start imo. Only Celtic have beaten us and excluding the Parkhead result we've won 3 and drawn 1 with 3 clean sheets. And have only lost 1 goal in 4 games (exclusive Celtic).

You can see what he is trying to develop as a working formation and imo made some decent signings.

He's only been here for 5 games. Patience lads and lassies.

Same with Josh Campbell. This young player has only made around 15 appearances for Hibs. Let him play and develop and support him.

[LaMotta]

Haven't read the full thread. But Maloney has made a very good start imo. Only Celtic have beaten us and excluding the Parkhead result we've won 3 and drawn 1 with 3 clean sheets. And have only lost 1 goal in 4 games (exclusive Celtic).

You can see what he is trying to develop as a working formation and imo made some decent signings.

He's only been here for 5 games. Patience lads and lassies.

Same with Josh Campbell. This young player has only made around 15 appearances for Hibs. Let him play and develop and support him.


You are right patience is required, and it's to early to know for sure how this is going to turn out. We can only comment on the evidence available so far. On the face of it your stats look pretty good, no doubt but then it depends how you list stats - 3 games without a goal or a win in 90 minutes is not great.

I don't see anyone not supporting Campbell or Maloney, just expressing opinions.

[ozwoody]

Trigger happy? Surely you’re not saying that there’s fans wanting him sacked? He’s going to need a lot of time to implement his vision and if he’s not flexible in doing so he’ll face a lot of criticism along the way. With the players we had available and the weather conditions last night we needed to be much more flexible in our approach, that was brutally obvious when Motherwell went down to 10 men. I’d imagine all hibs fans want to see us play in the same style as Belgium, but even Belgium didn’t go from being also rans to the number 1 team in the world by just changing manager, they had a complete revolution in how they approached coaching, it took years to come to fruition. Maloney maybe needs a reality check if he wants to be a successful club manager.
Not trigger happy in wanting him sacked, more in the sense of deciding his style of football isn't working.Absolutely Belgium didn't get to top spot by just changing managers, they changed way they approached games, changed mindsets, changed culture,brought players into the set up that could play the way the management team wanted to play , and those weren't always the best players, but played well in the structure.These things do take time and players have to adapt to that.Shaun brought on more attacking players when Motherwell went down to 10 men, but they fitted in to the structure.
I'm sure we will get players in that will fit into the way the manager wants us to play, and ones that can't will move on.
Next 2-3 days, rest of season plus summer window will give us more of an idea of what he wants and then we can judge whether he's successful or not

[St.Kristopher]

Wright getting a game is bemusing. Don’t know why Doidge wasn’t brought on sooner, albeit he did miss an absolute sitter.

I think we need to treat it as a new team. Wright came to us from St Johnston, with real promise (based on their manager and fans comments). In fact, I was shocked at how poor he was. Though if he had transferred in just before Maloney took over, I would think there is a good chance many fans would think he could be a real player for us. Didn't do loads against Motherwell but drew the challenge to put them down to 10.

As for the style of play, I am willing to sit a wait and see. I think many fans are getting caught up by the fact Hearts are doing well. If they had a stuttering return and sat 2 points behind, the negative noise would be turned down.

It's very early days but both interested and excited to see how this builds. We don't have it in the final third yet but thank F for defending crosses and not shelling it after 20 passes.

Ross (not a bad manager) was fortunate to have Boyle as he glossed over so many issues that Hecky had (also not a bad manager). Early days but the new management team is building something different, and I’m enjoying watching it so far with hope and expectation.

Aberdeen, Hearts (and, to a lesser extent so far, Dundee United) are all building something like us, so it’s not going to be easy. However, I think it will raise all our games and be a fun watch.

[Hibees1973]

When I have seen Hearts, Gordon keeps them in a lot the games.

He is safe and an excellent shot stopper. There are stats out there that for a team in 3rd place, Gordon has proportionately faced more shots on goal than any other goalkeeper in the league. Not seen him make many errors other than the one he made last night.

The players signed by Hearts are of no better pedigree than the players signed by Hibs. Most of them are loans, players unable to get a regular first team start or signed from the lower leagues in England.

The points difference is mainly due to that period of 10 games where we could not win one, which ultimately led to Ross getting sacked. We have finished above them in the league for the last 4-5 seasons and there was always going to be a time when, with their benefactor, they would get some signings right.

However, Gordon is having a great season. Him and because we are in transition are the main reasons why they are ahead of us and probably will be by at the end of the season.

[1875Sean]

Has anyone noticed the back 3 seen not to stray forward as much under Maloney?

Under JR there was loads of times mcginn or hanlon would be supporting the left or mid midfielders getting forward and putting crosses in as where it seems they are now staying back,
Know it’s early days but it was pretty noticeable yesterday against 10 men

[Hibee Mac]

Has anyone noticed the back 3 seen not to stray forward as much under Maloney?

Under JR there was loads of times mcginn or hanlon would be supporting the left or mid midfielders getting forward and putting crosses in as where it seems they are now staying back,
Know it’s early days but it was pretty noticeable yesterday against 10 menThat's a good point actually, hadn't noticed it but now you mention it I think you're right.

That has always been one of my favourite things about playing a back 3, I think Hanlon did it brilliantly under Lennon for example.

I imagine Maloney wants them to remain back as a permanent passing option for the midfield instead of marauding forward.

[matty_f]

I do think we’re progressing under Maloney. We did get into good areas against Motherwell, but were inadequate on the night when it came to converting those chances. We did the same against Cove - as well as having what should have been a perfectly legitimate goal disallowed.

We had several games under Ross after we didn’t get a shot on target, but in those games the biggest distance was that we never seemed to be able to string more than two passes together - there’s a marked difference there under Maloney.

He’s not had anything like his strongest eleven yet, imho. There is much more to come from this side.

[Keepthefaith]

That's a good point actually, hadn't noticed it but now you mention it I think you're right.

That has always been one of my favourite things about playing a back 3, I think Hanlon did it brilliantly under Lennon for example.

I imagine Maloney wants them to remain back as a permanent passing option for the midfield instead of marauding forward.

I'm not so sure...when he came in he spoke about players mobility and movement about the pitch, making it harder for the opposition to track them a là Man city. My guess is he's trying to build a strong foundation before implementation of this more fully.

Once we're at full strength I think we'll see this more, hence the acquisition of players like Clarke and Mitchell. I was brought up a Newcastle fan and as much as I'd love to see us replicate the Keegan years, we simply don't have the players yet to go swashbuckling!

Give it time, I'm confident it'll reap rewards 👍

[JimBHibees]

Thought the changes he made were fine after the sending off, defensive minded players off and more attack minded players on. Game was constantly stopping after the red though.

I was more annoyed at what I saw before that. It was clear the game was just drifting along and our first change was to bring Drey Wright on.

Yep the changes were positive we didnt play well in that period at all two very poor passes causing us problems and couldn't get out. Doidge scores we win the game though.

[bigwheel]

Yep the changes were positive we didnt play well in that period at all two very poor passes causing us problems and couldn't get out. Doidge scores we win the game though.

My only reflection on it was : where there so many changes that they disrupted our flow ?

[JimBHibees]

Getting really tired of this instant gratification society these days ,you think players learn to be professional players overnight,and managers ,many great players teams and managers took time :confused:

Totally agree we win everything great we lose everything rubbish. No appreciation that changing a squad and style of play with injuries and suspensions is very difficult and takes time. Nothing happens overnight and patience is required which laughably already seems to be running out for some after 4 yes 4 games. Support the team it's what good fans do.

[JimBHibees]

My only reflection on it was : where there so many changes that they disrupted our flow ?

Could well have been didnt get Newell coming off to be honest.

[JimBHibees]

I do think we’re progressing under Maloney. We did get into good areas against Motherwell, but were inadequate on the night when it came to converting those chances. We did the same against Cove - as well as having what should have been a perfectly legitimate goal disallowed.

We had several games under Ross after we didn’t get a shot on target, but in those games the biggest distance was that we never seemed to be able to string more than two passes together - there’s a marked difference there under Maloney.

He’s not had anything like his strongest eleven yet, imho. There is much more to come from this side.

Agree with all of that once we get one or two better attacking players in and others up to speed you will see what we can be which I think will be very good. Takes time though and patience from the support

[Callum_62]

Could well have been didnt get Newell coming off to be honest.It was right after his terrible pass

Could have thought that was a tired pass to play

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[truehibernian]

I like what Maloney is doing, reminds me of Tony Mowbray and getting in younger, hungrier players who are eager to get first team football. Moving on Gogic, Allan and Hallberg is exactly what we needed to do, I just hope like Mowbray he’s able to unearth a Boozy type player and a right battler like Kevin Thomson. I’m not so worried about getting a ‘like for like’ for Boyle, if we are able to add real creative play from midfield. We’ve yet to see what Hauge and Melkerson offer and that’s exciting - both might have pace to their game. The key to getting up the table is finding genuine creativity in that middle area.

I must admit, Charles Cook does have everything you look for in a wide player - plays with confidence and a smile on his face, he’d definitely be one I’d want Hibs to test Ross County with an offer.

[Greenio]

Has anyone noticed the back 3 seen not to stray forward as much under Maloney?

Under JR there was loads of times mcginn or hanlon would be supporting the left or mid midfielders getting forward and putting crosses in as where it seems they are now staying back,
Know it’s early days but it was pretty noticeable yesterday against 10 men

Good point. 3 clean sheets in the last 5 games though

[green with envy]

Has anyone noticed the back 3 seen not to stray forward as much under Maloney?

Under JR there was loads of times mcginn or hanlon would be supporting the left or mid midfielders getting forward and putting crosses in as where it seems they are now staying back,
Know it’s early days but it was pretty noticeable yesterday against 10 men

Playing with 3 at the back as we did against Motherwell allows the 2 wing backs to get forward. You can't expect the defense to be exposed when playing this system.:confused:

[1875Sean]

Playing with 3 at the back as we did against Motherwell allows the 2 wing backs to get forward. You can't expect the defense to be exposed when playing this system.:confused:

When you have 2 holding midfielders there should be enough cover for one to join in in every now and the , there was plenty times mcginn was playing in a back 3 and pushed up as a right back to put crosses in the box, getting the odd assist

[Keith_M]

Has anyone noticed the back 3 seen not to stray forward as much under Maloney?

Under JR there was loads of times mcginn or hanlon would be supporting the left or mid midfielders getting forward and putting crosses in as where it seems they are now staying back,
Know it’s early days but it was pretty noticeable yesterday against 10 men


Funny you should say that but I was thinking the same and it reminded me of the Bertie Auld era.


Maybe Bertie was just ahead of his time

😏

[flash]

Funny you should say that but I was thinking the same and it reminded me of the Bertie Auld era.


Maybe Bertie was just ahead of his time

😏

Don't remember us ever playing 3 at the back in those days.

[Skol]

Don't remember us ever playing 3 at the back in those days.

Bertie needed way more defenders than 3 !

[CapitalGreen]

Has anyone noticed the back 3 seen not to stray forward as much under Maloney?

Under JR there was loads of times mcginn or hanlon would be supporting the left or mid midfielders getting forward and putting crosses in as where it seems they are now staying back,
Know it’s early days but it was pretty noticeable yesterday against 10 men

They were pushing forward more in the first couple of games under Maloney but with our makeshift defence in recent weeks I think we have been prioritising defensive solidity at the expense of getting them forward.

Once we have Porteous and Hanlon back, plus Clarke if he’s utilised at CB then I’d be expect to see the centre backs stepping forward into midfield a bit more.

[Keith_M]

Don't remember us ever playing 3 at the back in those days.


I mean't the defenders being told not to go forward. I can't remember who it was but one of the early 80's team discussed it years later.

He said they were in a training game and, as was the norm, he charged up the field with the ball, so Bertie shouted 'stop the f#ckin gemme!' and told him in no uncertain terms to never do that again.


Honestly, the guy would be a big hit in modern football

😁

[Smartie]

I noticed it and thought it totally neutralised the man advantage we had after they had the man sent off.

We had lots of men back contributing little whilst we toiled to create further forward.

I did think that prior to that it was quite a nice, tight defensive set up that gave away very little by way of chances to Motherwell.

[Since452]

Win tomorrow and all will be rosey in the garden. Amazing what wins will do.

[Coco Bryce]

Win tomorrow and all will be rosey in the garden. Amazing what wins will do.

And if it's a goalless draw with 183% possession but no shots on target? 😀

[Unseen work]

I’m putting my neck on the line here, I think we’ll batter them tomorrow.

Maloney isn’t daft and knows exactly what the problem is despite what he says in the press.

I think we’ll be very attacking tomorrow. Porteous back will make a huge difference also in playing out.

[wookie70]

I’m putting my neck on the line here, I think we’ll batter them tomorrow.

Maloney isn’t daft and knows exactly what the problem is despite what he says in the press.

I think we’ll be very attacking tomorrow. Porteous back will make a huge difference also in playing out.

Hope you are right. I fancy another 0-0 though. I was at Livi against Dundee and Livi work so hard and are really well structured and drilled. We look like we can only string a series of passes together if it involves deep midfielders, goalie and our defenders and that usually finishes with a hoof. It will get better but I think it a a good few weeks before it does

[ancient hibee]

While we were playing our no shots on target borefest against Motherwell Hearts were gaining plaudits for their attacking efforts from which Celtic were lucky to escape-shots on target. 1.

[Callum_62]

While we were playing our no shots on target borefest against Motherwell Hearts were gaining plaudits for their attacking efforts from which Celtic were lucky to escape-shots on target. 1.It was offside too.

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[silverhibee]

Don't remember us ever playing 3 at the back in those days.

I just don’t remember that far back :rolleyes: :greengrin