Shaun Maloney - Style of play

[The 90+2]

Even watching on TV yesterday there is such a noticeable difference.

The formation is different before a ball is even kicked. We’ve won 3-1 up there twice this season but there was a big contrast in the way we dominated the ball yesterday in comparison to our last visit.

The last time we won 3-1 the game was done and dusted at half time having absolutely torn them apart. Yesterday was more controlled and measured and took the whole game to win.

[hibsbollah]

Having rewatched it, there is a:

Different formation
Different intensity pressing in their half
Different intensity pressing in our half
Much less long diagonals from Macey and Porteous
Much more short passes from deep positions
Much more off the ball movement

I think those claiming not to have seen much difference are arguing a position for the sake of it.

[wookie70]

That first paragraph is a mighty leap! Perhaps but why not be optimistic. The start has been excellent and players who looked liked they were struggling are fitting into a different style and looking pretty comfortable

[B.H.F.C]

The last time we won 3-1 the game was done and dusted at half time having absolutely torn them apart. Yesterday was more controlled and measured and took the whole game to win.

In the cup game up there I didn’t think we were in control despite the result and remember that being a talking point at the time. Yesterday I didn’t think we were ever in any trouble.

I might be wrong but I think those who aren’t seeing a difference are those who were among the more critical of our decision to bin Ross. People might prefer the way a Ross team went about it, but there can’t be and argument about us looking to play differently, surely.

[Nicho87]

In the hibs tv highlights cadden races down the right and the hibs player at the back post is josh doig

Full back to full back, away from home!

Absolutely love that
It’s little things like that - which give the mind set to opposition players that if they score 1 we will score two and you better be fit

Honestly watched the full game on alba and it was a breath of fresh air

SHAUN MALONEYS GREEN N WHITE ARMY

[WhileTheChief..]

The last time we won 3-1 the game was done and dusted at half time having absolutely torn them apart. Yesterday was more controlled and measured and took the whole game to win.

Agreed.

Things look much better because of the results, and the players maybe have a wee spring in their step, but we’re not really playing any differently to earlier in the season when we were also getting results.

[WhileTheChief..]

Having rewatched it, there is a:

Different formation
Different intensity pressing in their half
Different intensity pressing in our half
Much less long diagonals from Macey and Porteous
Much more short passes from deep positions
Much more off the ball movement

I think those claiming not to have seen much difference are arguing a position for the sake of it.

Why would anyone do that? Maybe they’re just calling it as they see it?

Not everyone has an agenda or is looking for an argument!!

[B.H.F.C]

In the hibs tv highlights cadden races down the right and the hibs player at the back post is josh doig

Full back to full back, away from home!

Absolutely love that
It’s little things like that - which give the mind set to opposition players that if they score 1 we will score two and you better be fit

Honestly watched the full game on alba and it was a breath of fresh air

SHAUN MALONEYS GREEN N WHITE ARMY

Intent is the word I’d use to sum up what I’ve seen so far. I thought we lacked it under JR, with and without the ball. I always felt like we were reliant on an individual moment (mainly from Boyle) whereas we’re seeing others looking likely to chip in already just from getting in to good areas. Cadden had three efforts on goal yesterday and I think we’ll start to see him and Doig chip in more regularly. There was a similar example on Wednesday to the one you mention where Cadden stood the ball up and it was Doig who ended up headering it over the bar at the back post. That obviously isn’t something overly worthy of praise but it just shows that they’re being asked to get up the park and support a lot more.

[Nicho87]

Intent is the word I’d use to sum up what I’ve seen so far. I thought we lacked it under JR, with and without the ball. I always felt like we were reliant on an individual moment (mainly from Boyle) whereas we’re seeing others looking likely to chip in already just from getting in to good areas. Cadden had three efforts on goal yesterday and I think we’ll start to see him and Doig chip in more regularly. There was a similar example on Wednesday to the one you mention where Cadden stood the ball up and it was Doig who ended up headering it over the bar at the back post. That obviously isn’t something overly worthy of praise but it just shows that they’re being asked to get up the park and support a lot more.

Bang on about Boyle

I actually think this was part of Ross downfall

If you remember Boyle came back from injury in Livingston game just as hecky was or just about given his jotters

Sadly Ross built a style of give it to Boyle at every opportunity, hence where this season teams worked it out as recents results shown

Love the mind set already

Two games but hibs fans can handle losing but for me it’s the manner in which you lose. I’d rather lose 4-2 going hell for leather rather than 1-0 feeling the game was no way back, again we saw that show too often with Ross.

Maloney won’t always get it right but there is clearly a plan with a style of play going to be implemented even further as the training sessions go deeper.

Happy days.

[Northernhibee]

Bang on about Boyle

I actually think this was part of Ross downfall

If you remember Boyle came back from injury in Livingston game just as hecky was or just about given his jotters

Sadly Ross built a style of give it to Boyle at every opportunity, hence where this season teams worked it out as recents results shown

Love the mind set already

Two games but hibs fans can handle losing but for me it’s the manner in which you lose. I’d rather lose 4-2 going hell for leather rather than 1-0 feeling the game was no way back, again we saw that show too often with Ross.

Maloney won’t always get it right but there is clearly a plan with a style of play going to be implemented even further as the training sessions go deeper.

Happy days.

I don't think it was a coincidence that the best performance JR had in his last dozen games with us in the league (the semi final being an obvious and massive exception) was the game where Boyle was suspended. We were much less predictable and the other players had to do something different.

[BoomtownHibees]

Having rewatched it, there is a:

Different formation
Different intensity pressing in their half
Different intensity pressing in our half
Much less long diagonals from Macey and Porteous
Much more short passes from deep positions
Much more off the ball movement

I think those claiming not to have seen much difference are arguing a position for the sake of it.

Aye but apart from those things listed, what’s different?

[04Sauzee]

Agreed.

Things look much better because of the results, and the players maybe have a wee spring in their step, but we’re not really playing any differently to earlier in the season when we were also getting results.
Or maybe some people didn't want Maloney so will see what they want 👀

I wasn't clambering for Ross to get sacked but the difference in style of play is night and day

[hibsbollah]

Aye but apart from those things listed, what’s different?

The aqueduct

[hibsbollah]

[/B]
Why would anyone do that? Maybe they’re just calling it as they see it?

Not everyone has an agenda or is looking for an argument!!

I have no idea. I suppose there is another possibility, which is that they have their eyes painted on :greengrin

[J-C]

The aqueduct

Haha how many will get that.

[RossScott1991]

We’ve got Porto at the back
Boyle in attack
Passing, moving , tempo the hibs are back

[04Sauzee]

Haha how many will get that.

Brian will.

[Northernhibee]

We’ve got Porto at the back
Boyle in attack
Passing, moving , tempo the hibs are back

If we're going to do a Maloney song then it has to be to the tune of "Only the lonely" by Roy Orbison.

[Shrekko]

[/B]
Why would anyone do that? Maybe they’re just calling it as they see it?

Not everyone has an agenda or is looking for an argument!!

Thanks for saving me replying to this comment and absolutely spot on.

There’s no way in God’s earth that a new coach can make a dramatic difference in between 2 and 4 training sessions.

Aberdeen was an absolute horrible game of football - and I’m not blaming SM for that, and yesterday was decent but no different to some of the other recent performances at Tannadice.

Already folk saying they couldn’t bear to watch us under JR but SM has turned them back round to wanting to watch Hibs in a few days? Great if anyone wants to come back but dearie me….. The truth is that JR was doomed from the start with some of the fans and this hyperbole about how amazing we suddenly are once he’s gone proves it.

[Green Reaper]

The aqueduct

V good 😂

[Hibbyradge]

Haha how many will get that.

Frow him to the floor and swike him, vewy woughly!

[B.H.F.C]

Thanks for saving me replying to this comment and absolutely spot on.

There’s no way in God’s earth that a new coach can make a dramatic difference in between 2 and 4 training sessions.

Aberdeen was an absolute horrible game of football - and I’m not blaming SM for that, and yesterday was decent but no different to some of the other recent performances at Tannadice.

Already folk saying they couldn’t bear to watch us under JR but SM has turned them back round to wanting to watch Hibs in a few days? Great if anyone wants to come back but dearie me….. The truth is that JR was doomed from the start with some of the fans and this hyperbole about how amazing we suddenly are once he’s gone proves it.

I don’t think people think we’re suddenly a brilliant team. What people are responding to is the posters who claim there isn’t anything noticeably different.. Putting aside whether you prefer a Maloney style or a Ross style, there can’t be any real debate that there is a different way of playing surely. Before you even consider what has happened in the game they’re set up differently for a start.

I suppose it’s just a coincidence that the people not seeing anything different were vocal about the sacking of Ross (or appointment of Maloney).

[Keith_M]

Thanks for saving me replying to this comment and absolutely spot on.

There’s no way in God’s earth that a new coach can make a dramatic difference in between 2 and 4 training sessions.

Aberdeen was an absolute horrible game of football - and I’m not blaming SM for that, and yesterday was decent but no different to some of the other recent performances at Tannadice.

Already folk saying they couldn’t bear to watch us under JR but SM has turned them back round to wanting to watch Hibs in a few days? Great if anyone wants to come back but dearie me….. The truth is that JR was doomed from the start with some of the fans and this hyperbole about how amazing we suddenly are once he’s gone proves it.


I'd have to say that I'm somewhere in the middle.

I don't think Maloney has suddenly turned us into world beaters and I found large parts of the Aberdeen game a bit boring, TBH, but I do recognise that the style of play (at least the intent) is very different.

What I would say is that the way he wants the team to play looks very encouraging and I'm looking forward to seeing more of that when the squad we currently have, and hopefully a couple of additions in January, have a lot more time to put it into practice.

[lord bunberry]

Having rewatched it, there is a:

Different formation
Different intensity pressing in their half
Different intensity pressing in our half
Much less long diagonals from Macey and Porteous
Much more short passes from deep positions
Much more off the ball movement

I think those claiming not to have seen much difference are arguing a position for the sake of it.
The short passes and trying to play out from the back is something I like but it almost cost us a goal and put us under pressure when Dundee Utd were pushing us back after they scored. I hope it’s something we’re working hard on during the break because when we play teams like Celtic or the huns we don’t want to be losing the ball around our own box.

[BILLYHIBS]

533 to 243 completed passes and 65-35% possession says it all

It can only get better with some serious work at HTC and hopefully some new additions

The futures bright the futures green and white

[Since452]

As long as Hibs continue to win, Jack Ross will become a distant memory. I said on another thread that we have a good group of players who were punching below their weight. It's maybe just taken a new guy to come in and freshen it up a bit. I was really gutted it didn't work out for Ross but Hibs are the most important thing. So far so good. We can still challenge for 3rd this season. More than good enough.

[Shrekko]

I don’t think people think we’re suddenly a brilliant team. What people are responding to is the posters who claim there isn’t anything noticeably different.. Putting aside whether you prefer a Maloney style or a Ross style, there can’t be any real debate that there is a different way of playing surely. Before you even consider what has happened in the game they’re set up differently for a start.

I suppose it’s just a coincidence that the people not seeing anything different were vocal about the sacking of Ross (or appointment of Maloney).

I wasn’t particularly vocal about the sacking of JR - as it was clear for whatever reason he would never be accepted by some and therefore for the best. My gripe was the treatment of him by some fans from the start. I had people on the bus for the cup final telling me with a straight face he was worse than Butcher.

FYI I am delighted with Maloney’s appointment - the sort of move that has worked well for us in the past and I like the coaching experience he has had.

Of course he will have his own ideas on tactics and has changed the team up both times. I’ve admitted already I don’t have this deep knowledge of modern tactics that others appear to have but to claim such an apparently
“night and day” change on such a small sample size is ridiculous.

The main criticism of JR was poor football. All I’ve said is that the 2 games haven’t been super exciting and the first one was God awful. So yes he will undoubtedly do things differently but we still don’t know if it’ll give us this incredible football everyone seems to think we’re entitled to.

I am 100 percent behind Maloney and hope he gives us what we all crave - I’m just not going to say it’s here after 2 games. Surely that’s fair?

[Hibbyradge]

Thanks for saving me replying to this comment and absolutely spot on.

There’s no way in God’s earth that a new coach can make a dramatic difference in between 2 and 4 training sessions.

Aberdeen was an absolute horrible game of football - and I’m not blaming SM for that, and yesterday was decent but no different to some of the other recent performances at Tannadice.

Already folk saying they couldn’t bear to watch us under JR but SM has turned them back round to wanting to watch Hibs in a few days? Great if anyone wants to come back but dearie me….. The truth is that JR was doomed from the start with some of the fans and this hyperbole about how amazing we suddenly are once he’s gone proves it.

I liked Jack Ross and I was very surprised when he was "relieved of his duties" because as far as I was concerned, it was a mistake. I'm hoping that it was me that was wrong, not Hibs but we'll have to wait to see.

However, there was a definite difference in the way we set up and played in both games. I'm not saying that we were amazing, particularly because we didn't have much penetration up front, but there were marked differences in our approach.

[Shrekko]

I liked Jack Ross and I was very surprised when he was "relieved of his duties" because as far as I was concerned, it was a mistake. I'm hoping that it was me that was wrong, not Hibs but we'll have to wait to see.

However, there was a definite difference in the way we set up and played in both games. I'm not saying that we were amazing, particularly because we didn't have much penetration up front, but there were marked differences in our approach.

This is the point I’m making - it’s obvious that every manager has a different approach. That’s a given.

People can write as many lists as they want about the differences but it’s only going to matter if they work and make us what people want us to be. Two games is too early to say.

All this stuff about what kind of “press” we use etc really doesn’t interest me. After 90 minutes of football you either enjoy it or you don’t. I’ve said we’ve only watched 2 games - 1 was awful, 1 was good. Too early to say that the changes are what’s going to work.

[B.H.F.C]

I wasn’t particularly vocal about the sacking of JR - as it was clear for whatever reason he would never be accepted by some and therefore for the best. My gripe was the treatment of him by some fans from the start. I had people on the bus for the cup final telling me with a straight face he was worse than Butcher.

FYI I am delighted with Maloney’s appointment - the sort of move that has worked well for us in the past and I like the coaching experience he has had.

Of course he will have his own ideas on tactics and has changed the team up both times. I’ve admitted already I don’t have this deep knowledge of modern tactics that others appear to have but to claim such an apparently
“night and day” change on such a small sample size is ridiculous.

The main criticism of JR was poor football. All I’ve said is that the 2 games haven’t been super exciting and the first one was God awful. So yes he will undoubtedly do things differently but we still don’t know if it’ll give us this incredible football everyone seems to think we’re entitled to.

I am 100 percent behind Maloney and hope he gives us what we all crave - I’m just not going to say it’s here after 2 games. Surely that’s fair?

The first one was three days after a cup final defeat, we just found a way to win. I don’t think I’m an expert by any means, but there were two or three things that were noticeable within minutes of that game kicking off. We didn’t execute things particularly well but you could see he was asking them to do things differently. Thought we took that on a step yesterday and totally controlled the game.

My biggest criticism of Ross was that we became too reliant on one player to score and create for us. That’s four goals we’ve scored so far under Maloney, four different scorers. Cadden and Doig, in particular, look like they have much more license to get in to the box.

[1875Hibees]

Thanks for saving me replying to this comment and absolutely spot on.

There’s no way in God’s earth that a new coach can make a dramatic difference in between 2 and 4 training sessions.

Aberdeen was an absolute horrible game of football - and I’m not blaming SM for that, and yesterday was decent but no different to some of the other recent performances at Tannadice.

Already folk saying they couldn’t bear to watch us under JR but SM has turned them back round to wanting to watch Hibs in a few days? Great if anyone wants to come back but dearie me….. The truth is that JR was doomed from the start with some of the fans and this hyperbole about how amazing we suddenly are once he’s gone proves it.
There's no way that you couldent have noticed the huge improvement already over the Jack Ross "style". There's no chance you could have watched that and think we have played that type of football under Ross. Why do you think fans didnt like Jack Ross? Do you think fans would just choose to dislike him for no reason? People didnt like him because we were terrible to watch. And I admit im one who was losing a bit of interest when he was in charge. Im very happy with Maloney though and the way he is going to have us playing. So many things were different and soooooo much better than anything for a while performance wise. Thats the most ive enjoyed watching us since Lennon.

[Shrekko]

The first one was three days after a cup final defeat, we just found a way to win. I don’t think I’m an expert by any means, but there were two or three things that were noticeable within minutes of that game kicking off. We didn’t execute things particularly well but you could see he was asking them to do things differently. Thought we took that on a step yesterday and totally controlled the game.

My biggest criticism of Ross was that we became too reliant on one player to score and create for us. That’s four goals we’ve scored so far under Maloney, four different scorers. Cadden and Doig, in particular, look like they have much more license to get in to the box.

To be fair Boyler has created the first 3 goals under SM😀

I’m all for everyone getting behind the team - I’m well into that, so long may it continue. I have a hunch we’re going to do well but I’m just not going to claim that it’s been like watching a different team yet. It’s too early.

I actually thought when Heckingbottom came in he initially got a lot more out of Lennon’s players and you could see a difference … and that went pear shaped.

Managers need to be given a reasonable time before we judge them well or badly.

[jacomo]

I wasn’t particularly vocal about the sacking of JR - as it was clear for whatever reason he would never be accepted by some and therefore for the best. My gripe was the treatment of him by some fans from the start. I had people on the bus for the cup final telling me with a straight face he was worse than Butcher.

FYI I am delighted with Maloney’s appointment - the sort of move that has worked well for us in the past and I like the coaching experience he has had.

Of course he will have his own ideas on tactics and has changed the team up both times. I’ve admitted already I don’t have this deep knowledge of modern tactics that others appear to have but to claim such an apparently
“night and day” change on such a small sample size is ridiculous.

The main criticism of JR was poor football. All I’ve said is that the 2 games haven’t been super exciting and the first one was God awful. So yes he will undoubtedly do things differently but we still don’t know if it’ll give us this incredible football everyone seems to think we’re entitled to.

I am 100 percent behind Maloney and hope he gives us what we all crave - I’m just not going to say it’s here after 2 games. Surely that’s fair?


Wow, some people really do know FA about football.

That’s fine, but I wish they would spare us their opinions. One of the problems with the world is that, because it’s now possible for almost anybody to publish their views, they think they have some validity.

[lucky]

I thought you could see the difference in style yesterday. Hibs played a high press and passed the ball a lot more. We tired a bit but it’s clear SM wants them to play a different way. But if he keeps winning most fans won’t bother.

[WhileTheChief..]

Or maybe some people didn't want Maloney so will see what they want 👀

I wasn't clambering for Ross to get sacked but the difference in style of play is night and day

The same could equally be levelled at those who are saying they see a dramatic change in our play though!!

I’m no expert on formations or tactics but I know what I enjoy watching. If results keep going the way they are then I’ll be delighted with Maloney no matter what the style of play. I wasn’t keen on his appointment.

There’s a lot of us out there, why not just accept some people’s views differ and that it’s a genuine take on things and not looking for a fight?

Peace and goodwill and all that :cb

[hibsbollah]

There’s no way in God’s earth that a new coach can make a dramatic difference in between 2 and 4 training sessions.


Thomas Tuchel is the classic example when he took over from Lampard at Chelsea. Straightaway went to 3 at the back and more patient style, a few days after he arrived they drew 0-0 with Wolves with 79% possession, they didn’t concede for the first 5 games, went unbeaten in 11. They were a shower in the last days of Lampard.

Tuchel is a special case obsessive coach i grant you, we’ll be lucky if Maloney is half as talented, but you definitely CAN change things overnight.

[04Sauzee]

The same could equally be levelled at those who are saying they see a dramatic change in our play though!!

I’m no expert on formations or tactics but I know what I enjoy watching. If results keep going the way they are then I’ll be delighted with Maloney no matter what the style of play. I wasn’t keen on his appointment.

There’s a lot of us out there, why not just accept some people’s views differ and that it’s a genuine take on things and not looking for a fight?

Peace and goodwill and all that :cb

That definitely wasn't me looking for a fight as you say goodwill and all that.

[Since452]

Thomas Tuchel is the classic example when he took over from Lampard at Chelsea. Straightaway went to 3 at the back and more patient style, a few days after he arrived they drew 0-0 with Wolves with 79% possession, they didn’t concede for the first 5 games, went unbeaten in 11. They were a shower in the last days of Lampard.

Tuchel is a special case obsessive coach i grant you, we’ll be lucky if Maloney is half as talented, but you definitely CAN change things overnight.

The players need to be capable of changing. Luckily we have decent players already.

[Tambo]

Even the simple things like corners and set pieces have improved under Shaun.

No more long punts up the Field from the defence and the pressing is much more organized.

[Unseen work]

I think there have been some very obvious changes, but it’s not like we’re playing amazing fast, free flowing football yet which I think is where some people are getting confused about the points being put across.

Noticeable changes for me;

Formation - 3421 - Allows Boyle and Wright/Allan to drift into gaps between fullbacks and the centre half which makes them hard to pick up. They can also go in behind when Nisbet drops deep to offer a vocal point.

Wing backs - Much higher and wider when in possession this pins back the opposition and then creates space for others from drop in and get the ball off the defence. Wright dropped into the space on the left numerous times yesterday and was unmarked because of the space made by Doig. He could get on it and drive forward.

Passing - No aimless punts forward or rush to go in behind. Everything is short and sharp and when it is long it’s a directed long pass to isolate our wingers or wing backs. Campbell, Hanlon and Porteous were very good at this yesterday.

Defensively- Our back 3/5 are a lot tighter when out of possession which leaves smaller gaps to exploit. We also try and win it back alot higher.

One of the things about the formation is it allows for example Boyle to press the left back in possession of the ball, Nisbet to shut off the centre half and Wright tucks in on the deepest midfielder to close off that pass. Cadden is high on the winger and the rest of the midfield have a man each leaving the ball to either go long or a switch of play to the opposite full back where Wright and Boyle would switch roles.

Like I said we’re not playing “sexy” football, but I think it will come as this way of playing encourages it. I think we need new players for it to fully work though.

[Shrekko]

Thomas Tuchel is the classic example when he took over from Lampard at Chelsea. Straightaway went to 3 at the back and more patient style, a few days after he arrived they drew 0-0 with Wolves with 79% possession, they didn’t concede for the first 5 games, went unbeaten in 11. They were a shower in the last days of Lampard.

Tuchel is a special case obsessive coach i grant you, we’ll be lucky if Maloney is half as talented, but you definitely CAN change things overnight.

You can if you’re Teuchal and also happen to have a world class squad of players at your disposal yes. You’ve alluded to it yourself - we’re not comparing like for like.

I’m still going to stick with saying I’ve seen nothing dramatic…. but then again I don’t expect it yet so that is no criticism of the new boss.

We kind of took the mickey out of Jambos who believed they were the new Borrusia Dortmund within minutes of Daniel Stendel arriving. Just not getting carried away yet after one decent enough performance.

[Jones28]

Only stats but the difference between the 3-1 cup win and yesterday

3-1 cup win
https://i.ibb.co/vZr5zwz/Screenshot-2021-12-27-11-03-28-24-680d03679600f7af0b4c700c6b270fe7.jpg (https://ibb.co/nzV2kgk)

Yesterday 3-1

https://i.ibb.co/R23K351/Screenshot-2021-12-27-11-06-04-86-680d03679600f7af0b4c700c6b270fe7.jpg (https://ibb.co/fMkWkcb)

Those passing stats 👏👏

[mal]

I was damn near bored to tears with that performance yesterday. We had a lot of possession in areas of the field where we were not a threat to the opposition but we rarely looked like even making a half chance. I can't say that I remember Siegrist having a serious save to make. The lack of creativity was disguised a bit by the fact that we were gifted the opener by a blunder by the officials, then it was back to creating nothing until we got our second late on while United were still adjusting to going down to 10 men because of injury. We can't rely on refereeing errors (as we have in both of SM's games so far) and/or the opposition playing a man short.

None of that is meant as a criticism of the manager, by the way. He's just in the door and we desperately need to bring in some quality players. I just don't see what was entertaining about our play yesterday and it's not a style I want to watch unless we can add a lot more creativity to it.

[Jones28]

I was damn near bored to tears with that performance yesterday. We had a lot of possession in areas of the field where we were not a threat to the opposition but we rarely looked like even making a half chance. I can't say that I remember Siegrist having a serious save to make. The lack of creativity was disguised a bit by the fact that we were gifted the opener by a blunder by the officials, then it was back to creating nothing until we got our second late on while United were still adjusting to going down to 10 men because of injury. We can't rely on refereeing errors (as we have in both of SM's games so far) and/or the opposition playing a man short.

None of that is meant as a criticism of the manager, by the way. He's just in the door and we desperately need to bring in some quality players. I just don't see what was entertaining about our play yesterday and it's not a style I want to watch unless we can add a lot more creativity to it.

Oh ffs.

[Northernhibee]

I was damn near bored to tears with that performance yesterday. We had a lot of possession in areas of the field where we were not a threat to the opposition but we rarely looked like even making a half chance. I can't say that I remember Siegrist having a serious save to make. The lack of creativity was disguised a bit by the fact that we were gifted the opener by a blunder by the officials, then it was back to creating nothing until we got our second late on while United were still adjusting to going down to 10 men because of injury. We can't rely on refereeing errors (as we have in both of SM's games so far) and/or the opposition playing a man short.

None of that is meant as a criticism of the manager, by the way. He's just in the door and we desperately need to bring in some quality players. I just don't see what was entertaining about our play yesterday and it's not a style I want to watch unless we can add a lot more creativity to it.

I'll be honest, I thought the link up play for all three goals was excellent and we were unlucky not to add a couple more. We dominated possession, our passing was crisp and accurate, we managed something like fourteen or fifteen attempts and we used the full width of the pitch to stretch them and create.

You're entitled to your opinion but I struggle to see where you're coming from. I thought we were comfortably the better and more dangerous team.

[greenlex]

I think there have been some very obvious changes, but it’s not like we’re playing amazing fast, free flowing football yet which I think is where some people are getting confused about the points being put across.

Noticeable changes for me;

Formation - 3421 - Allows Boyle and Wright/Allan to drift into gaps between fullbacks and the centre half which makes them hard to pick up. They can also go in behind when Nisbet drops deep to offer a vocal point.

Wing backs - Much higher and wider when in possession this pins back the opposition and then creates space for others from drop in and get the ball off the defence. Wright dropped into the space on the left numerous times yesterday and was unmarked because of the space made by Doig. He could get on it and drive forward.

Passing - No aimless punts forward or rush to go in behind. Everything is short and sharp and when it is long it’s a directed long pass to isolate our wingers or wing backs. Campbell, Hanlon and Porteous were very good at this yesterday.

Defensively- Our back 3/5 are a lot tighter when out of possession which leaves smaller gaps to exploit. We also try and win it back alot higher.

One of the things about the formation is it allows for example Boyle to press the left back in possession of the ball, Nisbet to shut off the centre half and Wright tucks in on the deepest midfielder to close off that pass. Cadden is high on the winger and the rest of the midfield have a man each leaving the ball to either go long or a switch of play to the opposite full back where Wright and Boyle would switch roles.

Like I said we’re not playing “sexy” football, but I think it will come as this way of playing encourages it. I think we need new players for it to fully work though.
I don’t actually think there’s much change in the formation. It’s all down to tempo keeping shape better with the wing backs wide and players actually moving that bit sharper and faster. The movement is allowing the passing and not defaulting to defenders with no option but to shell it long to static players. When it is going long there’s movement so it’s not coming straight back at us. There’s a willingness to close down opponents quickly either in midfield or even the front guys. It’s very noticeable. Right now we can’t do it for the full 90 mins but Maloney alluded to that being the goal. That willingness to run behind defenders got us our second goal yesterday. We haven’t seen near enough of it so far this season with players either being defensive or playing all too safe

[JimBHibees]

I was damn near bored to tears with that performance yesterday. We had a lot of possession in areas of the field where we were not a threat to the opposition but we rarely looked like even making a half chance. I can't say that I remember Siegrist having a serious save to make. The lack of creativity was disguised a bit by the fact that we were gifted the opener by a blunder by the officials, then it was back to creating nothing until we got our second late on while United were still adjusting to going down to 10 men because of injury. We can't rely on refereeing errors (as we have in both of SM's games so far) and/or the opposition playing a man short.

None of that is meant as a criticism of the manager, by the way. He's just in the door and we desperately need to bring in some quality players. I just don't see what was entertaining about our play yesterday and it's not a style I want to watch unless we can add a lot more creativity to it.

You sound gutted. :faf::faf:

[H18 SFR]

The pass accuracy stat of 89% is incredible.

[H18 SFR]

I was damn near bored to tears with that performance yesterday. We had a lot of possession in areas of the field where we were not a threat to the opposition but we rarely looked like even making a half chance. I can't say that I remember Siegrist having a serious save to make. The lack of creativity was disguised a bit by the fact that we were gifted the opener by a blunder by the officials, then it was back to creating nothing until we got our second late on while United were still adjusting to going down to 10 men because of injury. We can't rely on refereeing errors (as we have in both of SM's games so far) and/or the opposition playing a man short.

None of that is meant as a criticism of the manager, by the way. He's just in the door and we desperately need to bring in some quality players. I just don't see what was entertaining about our play yesterday and it's not a style I want to watch unless we can add a lot more creativity to it.

Lost for words. Genuinely.

[Hibee Mac]

I think there have been some very obvious changes, but it’s not like we’re playing amazing fast, free flowing football yet which I think is where some people are getting confused about the points being put across.

Noticeable changes for me;

Formation - 3421 - Allows Boyle and Wright/Allan to drift into gaps between fullbacks and the centre half which makes them hard to pick up. They can also go in behind when Nisbet drops deep to offer a vocal point.

Wing backs - Much higher and wider when in possession this pins back the opposition and then creates space for others from drop in and get the ball off the defence. Wright dropped into the space on the left numerous times yesterday and was unmarked because of the space made by Doig. He could get on it and drive forward.

Passing - No aimless punts forward or rush to go in behind. Everything is short and sharp and when it is long it’s a directed long pass to isolate our wingers or wing backs. Campbell, Hanlon and Porteous were very good at this yesterday.

Defensively- Our back 3/5 are a lot tighter when out of possession which leaves smaller gaps to exploit. We also try and win it back alot higher.

One of the things about the formation is it allows for example Boyle to press the left back in possession of the ball, Nisbet to shut off the centre half and Wright tucks in on the deepest midfielder to close off that pass. Cadden is high on the winger and the rest of the midfield have a man each leaving the ball to either go long or a switch of play to the opposite full back where Wright and Boyle would switch roles.

Like I said we’re not playing “sexy” football, but I think it will come as this way of playing encourages it. I think we need new players for it to fully work though.You're bang on with this post mate.

I'm amazed that anyone can honestly say there is little difference in style of play, but like you say it's probably people getting confused between "new style of play" and "amazing football".

No one is trying to say we are playing great stuff at the minute, but it's definitely a new way of playing and most importantly you can see the potential for it to be brilliant if done well. It's already better and it's been a few days so there is massive scope for this style to work well.

[Kato]

The lack of creativity was disguised a bit by the fact that we were gifted the opener by a blunder by the officials, then it was back to creating nothing until we got our second late on while United were still adjusting to going down to 10 men because of injury.


Hibs had 19 shots at goal during the game.

[B.H.F.C]

Hibs had 19 shots at goal during the game.

Aye but apart from those shots and the three times we put the ball in the net, what did we create?

[brog]

Only stats but the difference between the 3-1 cup win and yesterday

3-1 cup win
https://i.ibb.co/vZr5zwz/Screenshot-2021-12-27-11-03-28-24-680d03679600f7af0b4c700c6b270fe7.jpg (https://ibb.co/nzV2kgk)

Yesterday 3-1

https://i.ibb.co/R23K351/Screenshot-2021-12-27-11-06-04-86-680d03679600f7af0b4c700c6b270fe7.jpg (https://ibb.co/fMkWkcb)

Interesting stats. Our 3 1 LC win at Tannadice was IMO very similar to our semi win at Hampden. In both cases race to a 3 0 lead then sit back & defend very well. Many people would think our win against The Rangers was our outstanding performance this season but we actually scored with our only 3 shots on target and we had about 30% possession. Sometimes it's just the result that matters.

[1875Hibees]

I was damn near bored to tears with that performance yesterday. We had a lot of possession in areas of the field where we were not a threat to the opposition but we rarely looked like even making a half chance. I can't say that I remember Siegrist having a serious save to make. The lack of creativity was disguised a bit by the fact that we were gifted the opener by a blunder by the officials, then it was back to creating nothing until we got our second late on while United were still adjusting to going down to 10 men because of injury. We can't rely on refereeing errors (as we have in both of SM's games so far) and/or the opposition playing a man short.

None of that is meant as a criticism of the manager, by the way. He's just in the door and we desperately need to bring in some quality players. I just don't see what was entertaining about our play yesterday and it's not a style I want to watch unless we can add a lot more creativity to it.
LOL What a load of garbage this post is.

[Radium]

The aqueduct

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[Libby Hibby]

I was damn near bored to tears with that performance yesterday. We had a lot of possession in areas of the field where we were not a threat to the opposition but we rarely looked like even making a half chance. I can't say that I remember Siegrist having a serious save to make. The lack of creativity was disguised a bit by the fact that we were gifted the opener by a blunder by the officials, then it was back to creating nothing until we got our second late on while United were still adjusting to going down to 10 men because of injury. We can't rely on refereeing errors (as we have in both of SM's games so far) and/or the opposition playing a man short.

None of that is meant as a criticism of the manager, by the way. He's just in the door and we desperately need to bring in some quality players. I just don't see what was entertaining about our play yesterday and it's not a style I want to watch unless we can add a lot more creativity to it.

At it, 100%

[hibsbollah]

Aye but apart from those shots and the three times we put the ball in the net, what did we create?

Sanitation:faf:

[Iain G]

I was damn near bored to tears with that performance yesterday. We had a lot of possession in areas of the field where we were not a threat to the opposition but we rarely looked like even making a half chance. I can't say that I remember Siegrist having a serious save to make. The lack of creativity was disguised a bit by the fact that we were gifted the opener by a blunder by the officials, then it was back to creating nothing until we got our second late on while United were still adjusting to going down to 10 men because of injury. We can't rely on refereeing errors (as we have in both of SM's games so far) and/or the opposition playing a man short.

None of that is meant as a criticism of the manager, by the way. He's just in the door and we desperately need to bring in some quality players. I just don't see what was entertaining about our play yesterday and it's not a style I want to watch unless we can add a lot more creativity to it.

This is proof that you cant please all of the people all of the time...and that some folk are just never ****ing happy 🤣

[Iggy Pope]

Sanitation:faf:

The roads, don’t forget the roads.

[Stuart93]

I was damn near bored to tears with that performance yesterday. We had a lot of possession in areas of the field where we were not a threat to the opposition but we rarely looked like even making a half chance. I can't say that I remember Siegrist having a serious save to make. The lack of creativity was disguised a bit by the fact that we were gifted the opener by a blunder by the officials, then it was back to creating nothing until we got our second late on while United were still adjusting to going down to 10 men because of injury. We can't rely on refereeing errors (as we have in both of SM's games so far) and/or the opposition playing a man short.

None of that is meant as a criticism of the manager, by the way. He's just in the door and we desperately need to bring in some quality players. I just don't see what was entertaining about our play yesterday and it's not a style I want to watch unless we can add a lot more creativity to it.

Complete slaver. A look at the stats alone proves you wrong.

[Martymck]

I was damn near bored to tears with that performance yesterday. We had a lot of possession in areas of the field where we were not a threat to the opposition but we rarely looked like even making a half chance. I can't say that I remember Siegrist having a serious save to make. The lack of creativity was disguised a bit by the fact that we were gifted the opener by a blunder by the officials, then it was back to creating nothing until we got our second late on while United were still adjusting to going down to 10 men because of injury. We can't rely on refereeing errors (as we have in both of SM's games so far) and/or the opposition playing a man short.

None of that is meant as a criticism of the manager, by the way. He's just in the door and we desperately need to bring in some quality players. I just don't see what was entertaining about our play yesterday and it's not a style I want to watch unless we can add a lot more creativity to it.
Takes time to implement, more than 4 training sessions show patience

[andrew70]

Takes time to implement, more than 4 training sessions show patience

You are right but the difference is night and day already.

Mal is clearly at it or is actually Jack Ross on hibs.net

[sauzeelegod]

I was damn near bored to tears with that performance yesterday. We had a lot of possession in areas of the field where we were not a threat to the opposition but we rarely looked like even making a half chance. I can't say that I remember Siegrist having a serious save to make. The lack of creativity was disguised a bit by the fact that we were gifted the opener by a blunder by the officials, then it was back to creating nothing until we got our second late on while United were still adjusting to going down to 10 men because of injury. We can't rely on refereeing errors (as we have in both of SM's games so far) and/or the opposition playing a man short.

None of that is meant as a criticism of the manager, by the way. He's just in the door and we desperately need to bring in some quality players. I just don't see what was entertaining about our play yesterday and it's not a style I want to watch unless we can add a lot more creativity to it.

Just wow.

[matty_f]

I’m watching the Alba replay of the game just now (sleep pattern is all over the place with covid!).

Just at the 25 minute mark and I think there are some very evident differences in how we’ve set up and how the players have applied the tactics compared to Ross’ teams.

The most glaringly obvious difference , imho, is the pace at which we’re playing - it looks a much higher tempo and the players all look like they’re working their socks off. This is most evident with the press, which is coordinated, done with urgency, and high up the pitch.

The impact of that pace and the press was that United could not settle and were constantly on the back foot. We’re 30 minutes in now and the game has been played almost entirely in United’s half.

Secondly, our of the ball movement has gone up a gear. Players are showing for passes and there are several instances of players switching positions, notably in the forward areas. This means United are getting pulled out of position frequently while we maintain a pretty consistent shape.

Full backs /wing backs (not sure which describes Cadden and Doig) are playing high up the pitch and right on the touch line when we’re in possession. Both Cadden and Doig have had runs in behind the defence already, and there’s been one instance of Cadden crossing towards Doig’s back post run. I would say that Ross also liked to have them wide and attacking, I think against United we were more aggressive and consistent in doing it though. Our first goal comes from Wright crossing to Cadden in the box.

We also go forward first more often. This is, I think, enabled by the pace which we play, as United don’t have the opportunity to regroup and close off the passing options. Under Ross we were much more deliberate when building up play but that gave opponents time to get set and inevitably led to lots of passes along the back line before a Hanlon diagonal out towards Boyle or Cadden usually.

The final observation, as the half draws to a close, is that after the cup final i posted a thread on here about the difference in quality between the Celtic players and the Hibs players in terms of first touch, movement etc. That difference was evident again against United but in our favour, and we looked much more competent and confident on the ball.

[BILLYHIBS]

I’m watching the Alba replay of the game just now (sleep pattern is all over the place with covid!).

Just at the 25 minute mark and I think there are some very evident differences in how we’ve set up and how the players have applied the tactics compared to Ross’ teams.

The most glaringly obvious difference , imho, is the pace at which we’re playing - it looks a much higher tempo and the players all look like they’re working their socks off. This is most evident with the press, which is coordinated, done with urgency, and high up the pitch.

The impact of that pace and the press was that United could not settle and were constantly on the back foot. We’re 30 minutes in now and the game has been played almost entirely in United’s half.

Secondly, our of the ball movement has gone up a gear. Players are showing for passes and there are several instances of players switching positions, notably in the forward areas. This means United are getting pulled out of position frequently while we maintain a pretty consistent shape.

Full backs /wing backs (not sure which describes Cadden and Doig) are playing high up the pitch and right on the touch line when we’re in possession. Both Cadden and Doig have had runs in behind the defence already, and there’s been one instance of Cadden crossing towards Doig’s back post run. I would say that Ross also liked to have them wide and attacking, I think against United we were more aggressive and consistent in doing it though. Our first goal comes from Wright crossing to Cadden in the box.

We also go forward first more often. This is, I think, enabled by the pace which we play, as United don’t have the opportunity to regroup and close off the passing options. Under Ross we were much more deliberate when building up play but that gave opponents time to get set and inevitably led to lots of passes along the back line before a Hanlon diagonal out towards Boyle or Cadden usually.

The final observation, as the half draws to a close, is that after the cup final i posted a thread on here about the difference in quality between the Celtic players and the Hibs players in terms of first touch, movement etc. That difference was evident again against United but in our favour, and we looked much more competent and confident on the ball.

:top marks



:agree:


How anyone cannot see that is beyond belief

[Hiber-nation]

I was damn near bored to tears with that performance yesterday. We had a lot of possession in areas of the field where we were not a threat to the opposition but we rarely looked like even making a half chance. I can't say that I remember Siegrist having a serious save to make. The lack of creativity was disguised a bit by the fact that we were gifted the opener by a blunder by the officials, then it was back to creating nothing until we got our second late on while United were still adjusting to going down to 10 men because of injury. We can't rely on refereeing errors (as we have in both of SM's games so far) and/or the opposition playing a man short.

None of that is meant as a criticism of the manager, by the way. He's just in the door and we desperately need to bring in some quality players. I just don't see what was entertaining about our play yesterday and it's not a style I want to watch unless we can add a lot more creativity to it.

Maladjusted.

[hibsbollah]

I’m watching the Alba replay of the game just now (sleep pattern is all over the place with covid!).

Just at the 25 minute mark and I think there are some very evident differences in how we’ve set up and how the players have applied the tactics compared to Ross’ teams.

The most glaringly obvious difference , imho, is the pace at which we’re playing - it looks a much higher tempo and the players all look like they’re working their socks off. This is most evident with the press, which is coordinated, done with urgency, and high up the pitch.

The impact of that pace and the press was that United could not settle and were constantly on the back foot. We’re 30 minutes in now and the game has been played almost entirely in United’s half.

Secondly, our of the ball movement has gone up a gear. Players are showing for passes and there are several instances of players switching positions, notably in the forward areas. This means United are getting pulled out of position frequently while we maintain a pretty consistent shape.

Full backs /wing backs (not sure which describes Cadden and Doig) are playing high up the pitch and right on the touch line when we’re in possession. Both Cadden and Doig have had runs in behind the defence already, and there’s been one instance of Cadden crossing towards Doig’s back post run. I would say that Ross also liked to have them wide and attacking, I think against United we were more aggressive and consistent in doing it though. Our first goal comes from Wright crossing to Cadden in the box.

We also go forward first more often. This is, I think, enabled by the pace which we play, as United don’t have the opportunity to regroup and close off the passing options. Under Ross we were much more deliberate when building up play but that gave opponents time to get set and inevitably led to lots of passes along the back line before a Hanlon diagonal out towards Boyle or Cadden usually.

The final observation, as the half draws to a close, is that after the cup final i posted a thread on here about the difference in quality between the Celtic players and the Hibs players in terms of first touch, movement etc. That difference was evident again against United but in our favour, and we looked much more competent and confident on the ball.

I agree with all of that, and it very much reflected my thoughts watching it right through on Alba. The quality of first touch you saw yesterday is the only element you can’t lay squarely at the door of coaching and tactics. For whatever reason, the players not only looked more ‘on it’, as well as having a visibly different set of instructions. When it comes to tactics, If I could be bothered I’d have a look at the Celtic game, or even recent league games against weaker sides, and count up the number of long balls played by Macey Porteous and other players in the back 5 and compare with the Utd game. I bet it wouldn’t even be close.

[The 90+2]

I’m watching the Alba replay of the game just now (sleep pattern is all over the place with covid!).

Just at the 25 minute mark and I think there are some very evident differences in how we’ve set up and how the players have applied the tactics compared to Ross’ teams.

The most glaringly obvious difference , imho, is the pace at which we’re playing - it looks a much higher tempo and the players all look like they’re working their socks off. This is most evident with the press, which is coordinated, done with urgency, and high up the pitch.

The impact of that pace and the press was that United could not settle and were constantly on the back foot. We’re 30 minutes in now and the game has been played almost entirely in United’s half.

Secondly, our of the ball movement has gone up a gear. Players are showing for passes and there are several instances of players switching positions, notably in the forward areas. This means United are getting pulled out of position frequently while we maintain a pretty consistent shape.

Full backs /wing backs (not sure which describes Cadden and Doig) are playing high up the pitch and right on the touch line when we’re in possession. Both Cadden and Doig have had runs in behind the defence already, and there’s been one instance of Cadden crossing towards Doig’s back post run. I would say that Ross also liked to have them wide and attacking, I think against United we were more aggressive and consistent in doing it though. Our first goal comes from Wright crossing to Cadden in the box.

We also go forward first more often. This is, I think, enabled by the pace which we play, as United don’t have the opportunity to regroup and close off the passing options. Under Ross we were much more deliberate when building up play but that gave opponents time to get set and inevitably led to lots of passes along the back line before a Hanlon diagonal out towards Boyle or Cadden usually.

The final observation, as the half draws to a close, is that after the cup final i posted a thread on here about the difference in quality between the Celtic players and the Hibs players in terms of first touch, movement etc. That difference was evident again against United but in our favour, and we looked much more competent and confident on the ball.

Get well soon mate 💚

[JimBHibees]

I’m watching the Alba replay of the game just now (sleep pattern is all over the place with covid!).

Just at the 25 minute mark and I think there are some very evident differences in how we’ve set up and how the players have applied the tactics compared to Ross’ teams.

The most glaringly obvious difference , imho, is the pace at which we’re playing - it looks a much higher tempo and the players all look like they’re working their socks off. This is most evident with the press, which is coordinated, done with urgency, and high up the pitch.

The impact of that pace and the press was that United could not settle and were constantly on the back foot. We’re 30 minutes in now and the game has been played almost entirely in United’s half.

Secondly, our of the ball movement has gone up a gear. Players are showing for passes and there are several instances of players switching positions, notably in the forward areas. This means United are getting pulled out of position frequently while we maintain a pretty consistent shape.

Full backs /wing backs (not sure which describes Cadden and Doig) are playing high up the pitch and right on the touch line when we’re in possession. Both Cadden and Doig have had runs in behind the defence already, and there’s been one instance of Cadden crossing towards Doig’s back post run. I would say that Ross also liked to have them wide and attacking, I think against United we were more aggressive and consistent in doing it though. Our first goal comes from Wright crossing to Cadden in the box.

We also go forward first more often. This is, I think, enabled by the pace which we play, as United don’t have the opportunity to regroup and close off the passing options. Under Ross we were much more deliberate when building up play but that gave opponents time to get set and inevitably led to lots of passes along the back line before a Hanlon diagonal out towards Boyle or Cadden usually.

The final observation, as the half draws to a close, is that after the cup final i posted a thread on here about the difference in quality between the Celtic players and the Hibs players in terms of first touch, movement etc. That difference was evident again against United but in our favour, and we looked much more competent and confident on the ball.

Very good summary I think we completely bossed the first half and while United changed shape making it a more even game second half we were still the more likely imo. We did get a break with Mulgrew going off taking them down to 10 however was great we took immediate advantage of that. Key takeaways for me were the pace and purpose of the psssing and many more options going forward created by better movement. Very promising imo.

[Iggy Pope]

Maladjusted.

:top marks:greengrin

[blackpoolhibs]

Maybe it’s you seeing what you want to because you were a supporter of Ross? Genuinely don’t meant that to be wide by the way.

The system has changed for a start. We’ve seen players contributing going forward that weren’t before. And the results have changed as well.

I struggle to see how people don’t see a difference in the way we’re playing. Or trying to play.

I was a supporter of Ross, in fact i wouldnt have sacked him. Yet i can clearly see a different approach from the team, and a different style of play.

First off, we rarely launch it now, we are playing it out from the back more, and taking chances doing so.

Our wide men are playing much wider, both are sticking to the line at the same time, there is no tucking in. The passing is quicker with more pace, and playing without Newell is an improvement because the movement and passing from defense to midfield and back and wide is so much crisper.

We are now making more angles for the man on the ball, and look to me to insist on playing the ball into players feet who may be marked, but we are trusting them to take the ball in and hold it or move it on and keep possession.

Things are done quicker, we are trusting players to keep the ball, and we are moving more to make angles and pressing further up the park.

It really is night and day from the slow slow build up we had under ross.

Whether we can keep it up with this squad is questionable, but hopefully Maloney has players in mind that he thinks will enhance what we already have.

[Brightside]

I was a supporter of Ross, in fact i wouldnt have sacked him. Yet i can clearly see a different approach from the team, and a different style of play.

First off, we rarely launch it now, we are playing it out from the back more, and taking chances doing so.

Our wide men are playing much wider, both are sticking to the line at the same time, there is no tucking in. The passing is quicker with more pace, and playing without Newell is an improvement because the movement and passing from defense to midfield and back and wide is so much crisper.

We are now making more angles for the man on the ball, and look to me to insist on playing the ball into players feet who may be marked, but we are trusting them to take the ball in and hold it or move it on and keep possession.

Things are done quicker, we are trusting players to keep the ball, and we are moving more to make angles and pressing further up the park.

It really is night and day from the slow slow build up we had under ross.

Whether we can keep it up with this squad is questionable, but hopefully Maloney has players in mind that he thinks will enhance what we already have.

I want to see it against the better teams tbh. But if we can do it against the other 7/8 we would be 3rd every year and I’d be very happy.

[B.H.F.C]

I was a supporter of Ross, in fact i wouldnt have sacked him. Yet i can clearly see a different approach from the team, and a different style of play.

First off, we rarely launch it now, we are playing it out from the back more, and taking chances doing so.

Our wide men are playing much wider, both are sticking to the line at the same time, there is no tucking in. The passing is quicker with more pace, and playing without Newell is an improvement because the movement and passing from defense to midfield and back and wide is so much crisper.

We are now making more angles for the man on the ball, and look to me to insist on playing the ball into players feet who may be marked, but we are trusting them to take the ball in and hold it or move it on and keep possession.

Things are done quicker, we are trusting players to keep the ball, and we are moving more to make angles and pressing further up the park.

It really is night and day from the slow slow build up we had under ross.

Whether we can keep it up with this squad is questionable, but hopefully Maloney has players in mind that he thinks will enhance what we already have.

Yep, some of the changes are pretty apparent.

If someone was to say they don’t like what we’re seeing then that’s fine because that’s just an opinion and different folk like different things. But it genuinely baffles me if folk don’t think we are already playing differently.

Your point on Newell is an interesting one. Read a lot about how good a player he is (or how good his stats are). But that’s a couple of games with him out the team and a couple of wins. Last season he only missed about half a dozen games but I’m sure we won something like 5 out of 6 so we don’t appear to miss him too much when he’s not there.

I still think midfield is an area we need to strengthen, I think it’s been an issue all season. Magennis would fit the way Maloney wants to play perfectly IMO but we simply can’t rely on him.

[blackpoolhibs]

I want to see it against the better teams tbh. But if we can do it against the other 7/8 we would be 3rd every year and I’d be very happy.
Dundee Utd away and Aberdeen at home is against the better sides? :confused:

[Brightside]

Yep, some of the changes are pretty apparent.

If someone was to say they don’t like what we’re seeing then that’s fine because that’s just an opinion and different folk like different things. But it genuinely baffles me if folk don’t think we are already playing differently.

Your point on Newell is an interesting one. Read a lot about how good a player he is (or how good his stats are). But that’s a couple of games with him out the team and a couple of wins. Last season he only missed about half a dozen games but I’m sure we won something like 5 out of 6 so we don’t appear to miss him too much when he’s not there.

I still think midfield is an area we need to strengthen, I think it’s been an issue all season. Magennis would fit the way Maloney wants to play perfectly IMO but we simply can’t rely on him.

When we play with only 4 in midfield there are loads of gaps that can be exploited. I’m really interested to see how we develop against teams that are better set up to exploit those gaps. I don’t think Utd and Aberdeen are particularly dynamic in the way they play right now. I’m looking forward to seeing the Plan Bs etc.

[Brightside]

Dundee Utd away and Aberdeen at home is against the better sides? :confused:

I dont think they are playing that well right now BH.

Just checked. Aberdeen are 3rd on the form table. 😂. I’ll log off and go back to sleep.

[Golden Bear]

The difference I've noticed is that Hibs under Shaun Maloney are eminently more watchable than the latter months under Jack Ross. And long may it continue!

[Green Reaper]

I think Newell, with the right coaching, can adapt well to how SM wants to play as he is a good technical footballer.

[J-C]

My biggest gripe was always the slow build up play and statuesque players, which meant the ball was launched to either Boyle or Nisbet. Now we have quicker passing and players moving into space looking for the pass.

[Libby Hibby]

Dundee Utd away and Aberdeen at home is against the better sides? :confused:

Both were above us when we played them

[Fergus52]

I think Newell, with the right coaching, can adapt well to how SM wants to play as he is a good technical footballer.

Definitely, suggesting that under Ross he was slowing the play down any more than JDH was, or that he has any less crisper passing is nonsense.

I'd wager the last two results and performances would have almost the exact same had JDH been injured instead of Newell.

[B.H.F.C]

Definitely, suggesting that under Ross he was slowing the play down any more than JDH was, or that he has any less crisper passing is nonsense.

I'd wager the last two results and performances would have almost the exact same had JDH been injured instead of Newell.

We’ll never know whether that would be the case or not.

I know you are a big supporter of Newell (and his stats) but our stats without him have been fairly positive over this season and last, even if it only amounts to 8 league games or whatever. I don’t think we’ve really missed him when he’s not there.

[Unseen work]

What is it with JDH and why does he not pass it forward more often?

It doesn’t seem confidence because he comes across a very confident young lad.

Is it maybe how he was coached younger at Villa? How it’s all retaining possession.

Don’t get me wrong it’s important and it 100% needs to be done.

But when JDH injects a bit of pace and plays forward he’s much much better.

Was it Motherwell earlier in the season when he came off the bench and played a couple of short and sharp forward passes before a through ball to Boyle that won the pen?

On Sunday he won the ball high then played a nice ball through to Boyle behind the defender.

Then for the 2nd goal it was his ball through to Boyle to create the chance.

He’s got a lot of potential but I just wish sometimes his first thought wasn’t to always just bounce it back to Hanlon. He could be so much better playing forward.

He’s still young though and hopefully it comes.

[Hibee Mac]

What is it with JDH and why does he not pass it forward more often?

It doesn’t seem confidence because he comes across a very confident young lad.

Is it maybe how he was coached younger at Villa? How it’s all retaining possession.

Don’t get me wrong it’s important and it 100% needs to be done.

But when JDH injects a bit of pace and plays forward he’s much much better.

Was it Motherwell earlier in the season when he came off the bench and played a couple of short and sharp forward passes before a through ball to Boyle that won the pen?

On Sunday he won the ball high then played a nice ball through to Boyle behind the defender.

Then for the 2nd goal it was his ball through to Boyle to create the chance.

He’s got a lot of potential but I just wish sometimes his first thought wasn’t to always just bounce it back to Hanlon. He could be so much better playing forward.

He’s still young though and hopefully it comes.I wonder this same thing too. Can't remember if it was Motherwell but I know exactly the match you're talking about. I thought he was great and seemed to have more urgency to get forward.

It almost appears like he doesn't have the best awareness of his surroundings to be able to tell when he has time to turn. In saying that, I don't actually think that's the problem and he probably has good awareness, it just seems that way because he plays almost every pass as if he has an opponent right up his ****.

[Billy Whizz]

Celtic game in a few weeks will be interesting, as they put pass and have much more possession than most teams
Although the only real stat I’ll be interested in is a Hibs win

[greenlex]

What is it with JDH and why does he not pass it forward more often?

It doesn’t seem confidence because he comes across a very confident young lad.

Is it maybe how he was coached younger at Villa? How it’s all retaining possession.

Don’t get me wrong it’s important and it 100% needs to be done.

But when JDH injects a bit of pace and plays forward he’s much much better.

Was it Motherwell earlier in the season when he came off the bench and played a couple of short and sharp forward passes before a through ball to Boyle that won the pen?

On Sunday he won the ball high then played a nice ball through to Boyle behind the defender.

Then for the 2nd goal it was his ball through to Boyle to create the chance.

He’s got a lot of potential but I just wish sometimes his first thought wasn’t to always just bounce it back to Hanlon. He could be so much better playing forward.

He’s still young though and hopefully it comes.
So he doesn’t pass it forward apart from the times he passes it forward. :greengrin Maybe just maybe there hasn’t always been a forward pass on. :dunno: It’s noticeable he’s done it more the last couple of games. I think it’s as much to do with movement in front of him as much as it is him being encouraged to do it more. I don’t think there’s any doubt that both of these things are happening since Maloney.

[04Sauzee]

What is it with JDH and why does he not pass it forward more often?

It doesn’t seem confidence because he comes across a very confident young lad.

Is it maybe how he was coached younger at Villa? How it’s all retaining possession.

Don’t get me wrong it’s important and it 100% needs to be done.

But when JDH injects a bit of pace and plays forward he’s much much better.

Was it Motherwell earlier in the season when he came off the bench and played a couple of short and sharp forward passes before a through ball to Boyle that won the pen?

On Sunday he won the ball high then played a nice ball through to Boyle behind the defender.

Then for the 2nd goal it was his ball through to Boyle to create the chance.

He’s got a lot of potential but I just wish sometimes his first thought wasn’t to always just bounce it back to Hanlon. He could be so much better playing forward.

He’s still young though and hopefully it comes.

He does what he does very well. I think he's an absolute fantastic player for Hibs, 94.9% pass accuracy against Dundee Utd is very impressive.

[Unseen work]

He does what he does very well. I think he's an absolute fantastic player for Hibs, 94.9% pass accuracy against Dundee Utd is very impressive.

Without a shadow of a doubt he’s a very good player for us and I’m a big fan of his.

My point is that his forward passing seems to be really good when he does it and injects a bit of pace in the game. I’d just like to see him do a bit more often as I think it would take his game to the next level.

[JimBHibees]

He does what he does very well. I think he's an absolute fantastic player for Hibs, 94.9% pass accuracy against Dundee Utd is very impressive.

Agree think he will be a very important player for us going forward

[Ozyhibby]

I’m less worried about Newall’s passing than his ability to adapt to a quick pressing game.
I think we have been much better without him last two weeks.


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[Brightside]

He does what he does very well. I think he's an absolute fantastic player for Hibs, 94.9% pass accuracy against Dundee Utd is very impressive.

Great player. Who keeps possession well.... it doesn't always have to be forward and as the example given shows he is also creating chances.

[worcesterhibby]

What is it with JDH and why does he not pass it forward more often?

It doesn’t seem confidence because he comes across a very confident young lad.

Is it maybe how he was coached younger at Villa? How it’s all retaining possession.

Don’t get me wrong it’s important and it 100% needs to be done.

But when JDH injects a bit of pace and plays forward he’s much much better.

Was it Motherwell earlier in the season when he came off the bench and played a couple of short and sharp forward passes before a through ball to Boyle that won the pen?

On Sunday he won the ball high then played a nice ball through to Boyle behind the defender.

Then for the 2nd goal it was his ball through to Boyle to create the chance.

He’s got a lot of potential but I just wish sometimes his first thought wasn’t to always just bounce it back to Hanlon. He could be so much better playing forward.

He’s still young though and hopefully it comes.

i agree with you, he seems very reluctant to pass forward until he’s in the final third. Three or four times in the first half against Dundee Utd, he found some space in the middle of the park, the ball was played to him and with no one near him, or putting him under pressure, he first time passed directly backwards to Hanlon which meant we lost all impetus. Instead he needs to be aware of the space he’s in, take the ball on the half turn and drive forward towards goal. That will suck opposition players towards him and allow him to offload forward to a player who has benefited from the space created. If you watch Celtic in possession it’s mostly very positive possession and their players are hard wired to carry the ball forward if they have space in front of them. That’s what we are still lacking. Cadden, Boyle Doig and even Stevenson will all do it at times on the flanks..but we have no one in the centre of midfield who does it. It’s what John McGinn did so effectively for us, and what we are still lacking.

I like JDH by the way, I’d just love him to add a bit more to his game.

[mal]

You sound gutted. :faf::faf:

I'll reply to this one, from among the many posters I seem to have annoyed.

No, I'm not gutted. I was genuinely delighted that we won, I just didn't much enjoy the game for all the reasons that I mentioned above and that I don't think anyone has properly countered. Did we get an offside goal? Yes. Did our other 2 goals come after United went down to 10 men? Yes. Did Siegrist have any decent saves? No. Personally, I don't care if we have 90% possession and 90 shots if none of them test the goalie.

I've seen a lot better performances receive much more criticism - the last St Johnstone game, for instance - so I'm not sure what the problem is here.

[1875Hibees]

I'll reply to this one, from among the many posters I seem to have annoyed.

No, I'm not gutted. I was genuinely delighted that we won, I just didn't much enjoy the game for all the reasons that I mentioned above and that I don't think anyone has properly countered. Did we get an offside goal? Yes. Did our other 2 goals come after United went down to 10 men? Yes. Did Siegrist have any decent saves? No. Personally, I don't care if we have 90% possession and 90 shots if none of them test the goalie.

I've seen a lot better performances receive much more criticism - the last St Johnstone game, for instance - so I'm not sure what the problem is here.
We played them off the park. Its the first time ive seen us do that to a team since prime Lennon team.

[Bridge hibs]

I'll reply to this one, from among the many posters I seem to have annoyed.

No, I'm not gutted. I was genuinely delighted that we won, I just didn't much enjoy the game for all the reasons that I mentioned above and that I don't think anyone has properly countered. Did we get an offside goal? Yes. Did our other 2 goals come after United went down to 10 men? Yes. Did Siegrist have any decent saves? No. Personally, I don't care if we have 90% possession and 90 shots if none of them test the goalie.

I've seen a lot better performances receive much more criticism - the last St Johnstone game, for instance - so I'm not sure what the problem is here.Oh you are a hard one to please, so you are only pleased if the opposition goalie makes some saves ? Besides the fact we won 3-1, Tannadice is always a tricky place to go to, so regardless of performance we performed well and well deserved the 3 points regardless of them having a man short. Also bear in mind the mighty the rangers only hammered them 1-0 the week before at Ibrox

Happy new year

[erin go bragh]

I'll reply to this one, from among the many posters I seem to have annoyed.

No, I'm not gutted. I was genuinely delighted that we won, I just didn't much enjoy the game for all the reasons that I mentioned above and that I don't think anyone has properly countered. Did we get an offside goal? Yes. Did our other 2 goals come after United went down to 10 men? Yes. Did Siegrist have any decent saves? No. Personally, I don't care if we have 90% possession and 90 shots if none of them test the goalie.

I've seen a lot better performances receive much more criticism - the last St Johnstone game, for instance - so I'm not sure what the problem is here.

Did you by any chance have a look at the stats posted for the game compared to our earlier cup win .
We almost doubled our passes and our pass completion was at 88%.
We also had 65% poss compared to 35% in the cup game .
Anyway all the best for the future Mr Ross 😉
I

[B.H.F.C]

I'll reply to this one, from among the many posters I seem to have annoyed.

No, I'm not gutted. I was genuinely delighted that we won, I just didn't much enjoy the game for all the reasons that I mentioned above and that I don't think anyone has properly countered. Did we get an offside goal? Yes. Did our other 2 goals come after United went down to 10 men? Yes. Did Siegrist have any decent saves? No. Personally, I don't care if we have 90% possession and 90 shots if none of them test the goalie.

I've seen a lot better performances receive much more criticism - the last St Johnstone game, for instance - so I'm not sure what the problem is here.

Surely you’re no counting the St Johnstone game as good? Our two goals were scored against 10 men after all.

[Tobias Funke]

Surely you’re no counting the St Johnstone game as good? Our two goals were scored against 10 men after all.

To be fair, I think this particular poster is a bit of a donut.

[Danderhall Hibs]

Surely you’re no counting the St Johnstone game as good? Our two goals were scored against 10 men after all.

We were really good that day - we’d have won whether v 10 or not. Scored 2, 2 disallowed for reasons unknown, hit the bar and the post. It was as much of a doing as you can give a team.

[gbhibby]

I am looking forward to the Shaun Maloney style based on what I have seen. Under Jack Ross there was some excellent matches when he had the team pressing the opposition. On the whole it was a difficult watch a lot of the time. We looked better away from home under JR. I think the remit for signings under SM will be players that can play at a high tempo and have pace.
January transfer 🪟 will be interesting.

[B.H.F.C]

We were really good that day - we’d have won whether v 10 or not. Scored 2, 2 disallowed for reasons unknown, hit the bar and the post. It was as much of a doing as you can give a team.

I just found it a bit strange that the poster I was quoting didn’t want to give credit for our performance last week because a couple of goals were scored against ten men, whilst referencing a ‘better’ performance where the two goals were scored against ten men.

[Danderhall Hibs]

I just found it a bit strange that the poster I was quoting didn’t want to give credit for our performance last week because a couple of goals were scored against ten men, whilst referencing a ‘better’ performance where the two goals were scored against ten men.

Yeah you can’t deny last week was good as well - totally dominant. Maybe less obvious chances but a surprising 19 (?) shots last week.

[Shrekko]

I just found it a bit strange that the poster I was quoting didn’t want to give credit for our performance last week because a couple of goals were scored against ten men, whilst referencing a ‘better’ performance where the two goals were scored against ten men.

We played superbly against St Johnstone - dominated them with 10 and 11 men. In all honesty it was a better performance than at Tannadice - much more goal- mouth stuff …. the things that everybody supposedly wants.

Surely it’s equally as bad for somebody to conveniently forget that one?

That’s what people are taking issue with - there’s too much agenda driven stuff and things just not being taken on their own merits.

[B.H.F.C]

We played superbly against St Johnstone - dominated them with 10 and 11 men. In all honesty it was a better performance than at Tannadice - much more goal- mouth stuff …. the things that everybody supposedly wants.

Surely it’s equally as bad for somebody to conveniently forget that one?

That’s what people are taking issue with - there’s too much agenda driven stuff and things just not being taken on their own merits.

I know we played well at St Johnstone and I’m not arguing otherwise. I just found the post I responded to a strange one, downplaying our performance last week because we played against ten men for 15 minutes whilst highlighting a better performance where we played against 10 men for half the game.

I did think the win at St Johnstone papered over the cracks at the time though, whilst I have real hope on the back of last week.

[Shrekko]

I know we played well at St Johnstone and I’m not arguing otherwise. I just found the post I responded to a strange one, downplaying our performance last week because we played against ten men for 15 minutes whilst highlighting a better performance where we played against 10 men for half the game.

I did think the win at St Johnstone papered over the cracks at the time though, whilst I have real hope on the back of last week.

An ill deserved win can ‘paper over the cracks’ but I struggle to see how you can use that term when the team performs very well - it shows they can do it. We’ve proved on many occasions we’re a good team this year.

It looks very like the change of face in the dug-out has automatically changed attitudes and ultimately if it continues and those empty seats become filled then it’s for the greater good.

I hope and believe we’ve made a very good appointment but I’m just not prepared to join the “it’s like night and day” gang after 2 games … one was awful, one was really good - and that’s the long and short of it. It’s too early to make any kind of judgement on a rookie manager.

[B.H.F.C]

An ill deserved win can ‘paper over the cracks’ but I struggle to see how you can use that term when the team performs very well - it shows they can do it. We’ve proved on many occasions we’re a good team this year.

It looks very like the change of face in the dug-out has automatically changed attitudes and ultimately if it continues and those empty seats become filled then it’s for the greater good.

I hope and believe we’ve made a very good appointment but I’m just not prepared to join the “it’s like night and day” gang after 2 games … one was awful, one was really good - and that’s the long and short of it. It’s too early to make any kind of judgement on a rookie manager.

It papered over the cracks because it was in amongst a whole lot of crap (semi final aside). Good performances had become the exception.

It’s the change in results that have started to change attitudes. 10 points out of 12 since we binned Ross has got us back on track. If we’d got rid of him and kept losing I’d still be miserable but we’ve started winning again and I like the appointment we’ve made. I have a bit of hope for us again which I didn’t have so long ago.

[Unseen work]

3 and a half year deal for Henderson being reported as he was at East Mains today.

Wonder if we’ll announce all three tomorrow - Henderson, Clarke and Melkersen

[1875Hibees]

An ill deserved win can ‘paper over the cracks’ but I struggle to see how you can use that term when the team performs very well - it shows they can do it. We’ve proved on many occasions we’re a good team this year.

It looks very like the change of face in the dug-out has automatically changed attitudes and ultimately if it continues and those empty seats become filled then it’s for the greater good.

I hope and believe we’ve made a very good appointment but I’m just not prepared to join the “it’s like night and day” gang after 2 games … one was awful, one was really good - and that’s the long and short of it. It’s too early to make any kind of judgement on a rookie manager.
The Jack Ross style was eye bleeding the vast majority of the time. We havent dominated a game like the one at Tannidice since the prime Neil Lennon team. The huge improvements already are so obvious.

[Nicho87]

The video hibs put up today showing the 24 passes for nisbets goal at United was marvellous

People really do have a short term memory

If Ross was there that ball would have been haroofed up by hanlon or porteous way back at pass 4-6

Can’t recall the last time hibs scored from dominating possession

If you watch it back it goes all the way back to macey, this brings United out further and we exploit the space in behind for Wright down the left.

It really was a fantastic goal, which sadly some of the dinosaurs of Easter road don’t see.

MALONEYS green n white army!

[1875Hibees]

The video hibs put up today showing the 24 passes for nisbets goal at United was marvellous

People really do have a short term memory

If Ross was there that ball would have been haroofed up by hanlon or porteous way back at pass 4-6

Can’t recall the last time hibs scored from dominating possession

If you watch it back it goes all the way back to macey, this brings United out further and we exploit the space in behind for Wright down the left.

It really was a fantastic goal, which sadly some of the dinosaurs of Easter road don’t see.

MALONEYS green n white army!
The vast majority of people can see the immediate improvement. Just one or two Jack Dross lovers on here for some reason. To be fair, I think I have only seen two people still sticking up for him. I cant remember as much positivity about the club for a good while. Looking forward to the continued improvement under Maloney and to actually enjoy watching Hibs again.

[cabbageandribs1875]

The vast majority of people can see the immediate improvement. Just one or two Jack Dross lovers on here for some reason. To be fair, I think I have only seen two people still sticking up for him. I cant remember as much positivity about the club for a good while. Looking forward to the continued improvement under Maloney and to actually enjoy watching Hibs again.


quite sad calling him that

[1875Hibees]

quite sad calling him that
Oh well lol Its not that bad.

[Callum_62]

Oh well lol Its not that bad.To be fair it's jambo patter

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[1875Hibees]

To be fair it's jambo patter

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Is it? Ive seen and heard plenty of Hibs fans referring to him the same way.

[Shrekko]

“Dinosaurs”, “Jack Dross lovers”…. dearie me this is some place at times.

There just can’t be a happy medium these days

[Since452]

Jack Ross is gone now. Hopefully we can be thankful for his achievements and the squad he left us. Maloney has a better staring point than any Hibs manager I can remember with the exception of Lennon. Onwards and upwards.

[MWHIBBIES]

Is it? Ive seen and heard plenty of Hibs fans referring to him the same way.

Did you notice the immediate improvement when Ross took over as well?

No Hibs fan that isn't some twitter moron is calling him that.

[1875Hibees]

Did you notice the immediate improvement when Ross took over as well?

No Hibs fan that isn't some twitter moron is calling him that.
I noticed an improvement in results but not in style of play. It was as boring then as when he left. But like I said, at least we can go back to enjoying watching Hibs again now. And also why would you get so upset over the word dross?

[Brightside]

Oh well lol Its not that bad.

It’s dull and childish.

[Since452]

I noticed an improvement in results but not in style of play. It was as boring then as when he left. But like I said, at least we can go back to enjoying watching Hibs again now. And also why would you get so upset over the word dross?

I'm guessing you called Hecky Heckingbottomsix too?

[1875Hibees]

I'm guessing you called Hecky Heckingbottomsix too?
Aye nae bother mate. You dont need to post on here 24/7 to be a Hibs fan.

[Stuart93]

Aye nae bother mate. You dont need to post on here 24/7 to be a Hibs fan.

He’s not suggested you aren’t a hibs fan?

[Since452]

Aye nae bother mate. You dont need to post on here 24/7 to be a Hibs fan.

Shaun Baloney. Save you the trouble.

[1875Hibees]

Shaun Baloney. Save you the trouble.
Save your post count padding for another thread mate.

[BS44]

quite sad calling him that

Yup, chronic patter.

[Brightside]

Shaun Baloney. Save you the trouble.

Shan Maloney.

[Since452]

Shan Maloney.

Shan Baloney?

[1875Hibees]

Shan Baloney?
Were you not the same guy that hated the Ross linked appointment then said it was great as soon as it was announced? Slaver. Half your posts are talking about Hearts anyway.

[1875Hibees]

He’s not suggested you aren’t a hibs fan?
I think he did tbh. Only Hearts fans used that. But apologies to him about that if not.

[cabbageandribs1875]

Were you not the same guy that hated the Ross linked appointment then said it was great as soon as it was announced? Slaver. Half your posts are talking about Hearts anyway.


so he's only a slaver half the time then :wink:

[1875Hibees]

so he's only a slaver half the time then :wink:
:greengrin:greengrin

[Alfred E Newman]

Is it? Ive seen and heard plenty of Hibs fans referring to him the same way.

It’s a pretty poor Hibs fan that resorts to Jambo patter.

[1875Hibees]

It’s a pretty poor Hibs fan that resorts to Jambo patter.
Thats fine. If you dont like its thats fine. Its hardly saying anything terrible. Just what every Sunderland and Hibs fan could see. Referring to his style of play.

[MWHIBBIES]

I noticed an improvement in results but not in style of play. It was as boring then as when he left. But like I said, at least we can go back to enjoying watching Hibs again now. And also why would you get so upset over the word dross?

Its very disrespectful to someone who done a good job for Hibernian.

[Shrekko]

Thats fine. If you dont like its thats fine. Its hardly saying anything terrible. Just what every Sunderland and Hibs fan could see. Referring to his style of play.

I don’t think you should talk for every fan of any club tbh.

And let’s be honest - you’re just making your own stupid wee assumptions about people anyway.

It’s been said already - you’re just being pathetically disrespectful to an ex Hibs employee, as well as other fans who don’t share your views.

Not that anyone should have to explain himself to the likes of you but if I’m one of your “Jack Dross lovers” you’re actually wrong. I think he deserved a bit more time, did some good things and that some of the criticism was borderline moronic but I didn’t enjoy a lot of things either. I do know that he took us 2 cup finals, a 3rd place finish and we were also 3rd top scorers in the SPFL in his only full season. So if you think that merits immature name calling and isn’t a decent record at Hibs you’ve not been around for too long.

[1875Hibees]

I don’t think you should talk for every fan of any club tbh.

And let’s be honest - you’re just making your own stupid wee assumptions about people anyway.

It’s been said already - you’re just being pathetically disrespectful to an ex Hibs employee, as well as other fans who don’t share your views.

Not that anyone should have to explain himself to the likes of you but if I’m one of your “Jack Dross lovers” you’re actually wrong. I think he deserved a bit more time, did some good things and that some of the criticism was borderline moronic but I didn’t enjoy a lot of things either. I do know that he took us 2 cup finals, a 3rd place finish and we were also 3rd top scorers in the SPFL in his only full season. So if you think that merits immature name calling and isn’t a decent record at Hibs you’ve not been around for too long.
Fair enough. Of course I dont speak for every fan, but I really dont think that any fan could honestly say they were entertained with the Jack Ross football. Maybe it was a bit far of me to call him that though now we are on the up again.

[cabbageandribs1875]

Fair enough. Of course I dont speak for every fan, but I really dont think that any fan could honestly say they were entertained with the Jack Ross football. Maybe it was a bit far of me to call him that though now we are on the up again.


now you've got it :wink: even though i do partly agree with the first part

[theonlywayisup]

Fair enough. Of course I dont speak for every fan, but I really dont think that any fan could honestly say they were entertained with the Jack Ross football. Maybe it was a bit far of me to call him that though now we are on the up again.

I was entertained by Jack Ross' teams, when he had a full complement of for players to call on. Maybe I'm easily pleased, I'm a pint half full type person.

But he's gone now, so I fully support our current manager. Like Lennon before, I won't disrespect good managers that things didn't work out.

[Shrekko]

I was entertained by Jack Ross' teams, when he had a full complement of for players to call on. Maybe I'm easily pleased, I'm a pint half full type person.

But he's gone now, so I fully support our current manager. Like Lennon before, I won't disrespect good managers that things didn't work out.

I actually think truly entertaining football is a thing of the past. Even watching the top teams passing the ball 100 times to get through 2 deep banks of defenders bores me rigid. Football is very technical and tactical now.

As far as Jack Ross’s teams watchableness goes - I’ve seen better but also far worse. But everything has to be to extreme’s these days. Even fans who’ve watched the same absolute rubbish I’ve seen in the last 40 years claiming that Hibs are now unwatchable (until this one week “night and day” transformation) is just bizarre.

The truth is - we all know that the ones who are so delighted Jack’s gone and suddenly think Hibs are transformed WILL still be the first ones hounding Shaun Maloney at the first sign of a ropey patch.

[theonlywayisup]

I actually think truly entertaining football is a thing of the past. Even watching the top teams passing the ball 100 times to get through 2 deep banks of defenders bores me rigid. Football is very technical and tactical now.

As far as Jack Ross’s teams watchableness goes - I’ve seen better but also far worse. But everything has to be to extreme’s these days. Even fans who’ve watched the same absolute rubbish I’ve seen in the last 40 years claiming that Hibs are now unwatchable (until this one week “night and day” transformation) is just bizarre.

The truth is - we all know that the ones who are so delighted Jack’s gone and suddenly think Hibs are transformed WILL still be the first ones hounding Shaun Maloney at the first sign of a ropey patch.

Agree, I watch Manchester City and am generally bored watching them for 90% of the time. Different when watching the MOTD highlights though.

[JimBHibees]

I actually think truly entertaining football is a thing of the past. Even watching the top teams passing the ball 100 times to get through 2 deep banks of defenders bores me rigid. Football is very technical and tactical now.

As far as Jack Ross’s teams watchableness goes - I’ve seen better but also far worse. But everything has to be to extreme’s these days. Even fans who’ve watched the same absolute rubbish I’ve seen in the last 40 years claiming that Hibs are now unwatchable (until this one week “night and day” transformation) is just bizarre.

The truth is - we all know that the ones who are so delighted Jack’s gone and suddenly think Hibs are transformed WILL still be the first ones hounding Shaun Maloney at the first sign of a ropey patch.

Couldn't agree more with your last paragraph unfortunately the way of the world nowadays. Very binary with little context or thought.

[Brightside]

Fair enough. Of course I dont speak for every fan, but I really dont think that any fan could honestly say they were entertained with the Jack Ross football. Maybe it was a bit far of me to call him that though now we are on the up again.

I was entertained. So there you go.

[Danderhall Hibs]

I was entertained. So there you go.

Going over old ground but this is becoming a bit of a growing myth. We were comfortably 3rd in the league as well as matching that on the number of goals scored. Played some good stuff at times.

[oneone73]

I was entertained. So there you go.

Me too.

[CentreLine]

Going over old ground but this is becoming a bit of a growing myth. We were comfortably 3rd in the league as well as matching that on the number of goals scored. Played some good stuff at times.

That’s where I sit. We saw periods in almost every game where the passing was, slick, forward looking and penetrative. Those are the moments we have had much more of under Shaun Maloney but they were there under Jack Ross too. The question now is whether the players have the stamina and commitment to sustain that for most, if not all, of the 90+ minutes in a game. I don’t think JR instructed them to sit back and invite pressure.
I do not believe JR was a bad manager but he was a little hamstrung by our failures in recruitment. Now we have SM at the helm he must be rubbing his hands with glee at the potential within our ranks and every indication is that he is also been supported in adding to that potential.
The king is dead, long live the king!

[Danderhall Hibs]

That’s where I sit. We saw periods in almost every game where the passing was, slick, forward looking and penetrative. Those are the moments we have had much more of under Shaun Maloney but they were there under Jack Ross too. The question now is whether the players have the stamina and commitment to sustain that for most, in not all, of the 90+ minutes in a game. I don’t think JR instructed them to sit back and invite pressure.
I do not believe JR was a bad manager but he was a little hamstrung by our failures in recruitment. Now we have SM at the helm he must be rubbing his hands with glee at the potential within our ranks and every indication is that he is also been supported in adding to that potential.
The king is dead, long live the king!

:agree: he’s got a great opportunity with the squad he’s been left and the backing he seems to be getting.

Onwards and upwards.

[hibsbollah]

I actually think truly entertaining football is a thing of the past. Even watching the top teams passing the ball 100 times to get through 2 deep banks of defenders bores me rigid. Football is very technical and tactical now.

As far as Jack Ross’s teams watchableness goes - I’ve seen better but also far worse. But everything has to be to extreme’s these days. Even fans who’ve watched the same absolute rubbish I’ve seen in the last 40 years claiming that Hibs are now unwatchable (until this one week “night and day” transformation) is just bizarre.

The truth is - we all know that the ones who are so delighted Jack’s gone and suddenly think Hibs are transformed WILL still be the first ones hounding Shaun Maloney at the first sign of a ropey patch.

Leeds? Ajax? Dortmund? I’ve seen plenty of teams playing entertaining football that’s still ‘modern’ and ‘tactical’. Isn’t it all personal taste anyway? I mean some folk enjoy watching Hearts :dunno:

[CentreLine]

Leeds? Ajax? Dortmund? I’ve seen plenty of teams playing entertaining football that’s still ‘modern’ and ‘tactical’. Isn’t it all personal taste anyway? I mean some folk enjoy watching Hearts :dunno:

A big leap off topic but it looks to me like hahahaheartsh have actually been playing some decent football this year.
Yeh, I know, but it’s the first time in the 55 years I’ve been watching football that I can remember that happening so thought it was worth a mention. Also means I am looking forward to the derby all the more this year.

[Shrekko]

Leeds? Ajax? Dortmund? I’ve seen plenty of teams playing entertaining football that’s still ‘modern’ and ‘tactical’. Isn’t it all personal taste anyway? I mean some folk enjoy watching Hearts :dunno:

If we played like Leeds losing goals left right and centre people would be moaning their faces off and using meaningless phrases like 'boyband team' and saying how naïve we are. It is all about personal taste but we all know what people have been complaining about don't we?

The top German teams, particularly Bayern and Dortmund I do generally find to be the most entertaining. Other teams like Ajax in countries where they have little competition can be good to watch too I also agree.

Generally though I find MOST modern football an absolute bore - one team dominating safe possession trying to break down the inferior well organised side with 10 players lined up deep like 2 walls.

In context though- Scottish fans tend to like thrills and spills and end to end football... I just think we're seeing less and less of it. Some Hibs fans have been telling us recently that even 3rd place (1st place for us in reality) is not acceptable unless it's done with style. I think it's a tall order these days even just because of how other teams set up and the lack of genuine quality that's available on our budget. Most of JR's critics seemed to reckon Scott Allan was the answer because he can pull occasional moments of magic out the hat- and he can, but the truth is that the game is evolving in a way where it's more difficult to accommodate the maverick types who have lots of other flaws- and that won't change.

Hearts fans have never cared about the style of football they're watching as long as it's effective.

[Danderhall Hibs]

If we played like Leeds losing goals left right and centre people would be moaning their faces off and using meaningless phrases like 'boyband team' and saying how naïve we are. It is all about personal taste but we all know what people have been complaining about don't we?

The top German teams, particularly Bayern and Dortmund I do generally find to be the most entertaining. Other teams like Ajax in countries where they have little competition can be good to watch too I also agree.

Generally though I find MOST modern football an absolute bore - one team dominating safe possession trying to break down the inferior well organised side with 10 players lined up deep like 2 walls.

In context though- Scottish fans tend to like thrills and spills and end to end football... I just think we're seeing less and less of it. Some Hibs fans have been telling us recently that even 3rd place (1st place for us in reality) is not acceptable unless it's done with style. I think it's a tall order these days even just because of how other teams set up and the lack of genuine quality that's available on our budget. Most of JR's critics seemed to reckon Scott Allan was the answer because he can pull occasional moments of magic out the hat- and he can, but the truth is that the game is evolving in a way where it's more difficult to accommodate the maverick types who have lots of other flaws- and that won't change.

Hearts fans have never cared about the style of football they're watching as long as it's effective.

Some good points made - I watched the Man City game last midweek and was dozing off during it. It’s hypnotic rather than exciting.

[hibsbollah]

If we played like Leeds losing goals left right and centre people would be moaning their faces off and using meaningless phrases like 'boyband team' and saying how naïve we are. It is all about personal taste but we all know what people have been complaining about don't we?

The top German teams, particularly Bayern and Dortmund I do generally find to be the most entertaining. Other teams like Ajax in countries where they have little competition can be good to watch too I also agree.

Generally though I find MOST modern football an absolute bore - one team dominating safe possession trying to break down the inferior well organised side with 10 players lined up deep like 2 walls.

In context though- Scottish fans tend to like thrills and spills and end to end football... I just think we're seeing less and less of it. Some Hibs fans have been telling us recently that even 3rd place (1st place for us in reality) is not acceptable unless it's done with style. I think it's a tall order these days even just because of how other teams set up and the lack of genuine quality that's available on our budget. Most of JR's critics seemed to reckon Scott Allan was the answer because he can pull occasional moments of magic out the hat- and he can, but the truth is that the game is evolving in a way where it's more difficult to accommodate the maverick types who have lots of other flaws- and that won't change.

Hearts fans have never cared about the style of football they're watching as long as it's effective.


Hmmmm yeah fair points. There have been some absolutely unbelievable high scoring individual games but I also know what you mean about attack vs all out defense.

[Since452]

If we played like Leeds losing goals left right and centre people would be moaning their faces off and using meaningless phrases like 'boyband team' and saying how naïve we are. It is all about personal taste but we all know what people have been complaining about don't we?

The top German teams, particularly Bayern and Dortmund I do generally find to be the most entertaining. Other teams like Ajax in countries where they have little competition can be good to watch too I also agree.

Generally though I find MOST modern football an absolute bore - one team dominating safe possession trying to break down the inferior well organised side with 10 players lined up deep like 2 walls.

In context though- Scottish fans tend to like thrills and spills and end to end football... I just think we're seeing less and less of it. Some Hibs fans have been telling us recently that even 3rd place (1st place for us in reality) is not acceptable unless it's done with style. I think it's a tall order these days even just because of how other teams set up and the lack of genuine quality that's available on our budget. Most of JR's critics seemed to reckon Scott Allan was the answer because he can pull occasional moments of magic out the hat- and he can, but the truth is that the game is evolving in a way where it's more difficult to accommodate the maverick types who have lots of other flaws- and that won't change.

Hearts fans have never cared about the style of football they're watching as long as it's effective.

Agree with that word for word.

[B.H.F.C]

If we played like Leeds losing goals left right and centre people would be moaning their faces off and using meaningless phrases like 'boyband team' and saying how naïve we are. It is all about personal taste but we all know what people have been complaining about don't we?

The top German teams, particularly Bayern and Dortmund I do generally find to be the most entertaining. Other teams like Ajax in countries where they have little competition can be good to watch too I also agree.

Generally though I find MOST modern football an absolute bore - one team dominating safe possession trying to break down the inferior well organised side with 10 players lined up deep like 2 walls.

In context though- Scottish fans tend to like thrills and spills and end to end football... I just think we're seeing less and less of it. Some Hibs fans have been telling us recently that even 3rd place (1st place for us in reality) is not acceptable unless it's done with style. I think it's a tall order these days even just because of how other teams set up and the lack of genuine quality that's available on our budget. Most of JR's critics seemed to reckon Scott Allan was the answer because he can pull occasional moments of magic out the hat- and he can, but the truth is that the game is evolving in a way where it's more difficult to accommodate the maverick types who have lots of other flaws- and that won't change.

Hearts fans have never cared about the style of football they're watching as long as it's effective.

Has anybody ever really said third place was unacceptable? Or did they just say they didn’t particularly enjoy the way a JR team played?

[B.H.F.C]

Some good points made - I watched the Man City game last midweek and was dozing off during it. It’s hypnotic rather than exciting.

Suppose it depends on the Game you watched, there’ll always be poor ones now and again. But their 6-3 win against Leicester and their win against Arsenal (which had a bit of everything) either side of that midweek game weren’t too bad.

[Danderhall Hibs]

Suppose it depends on the Game you watched, there’ll always be poor ones now and again. But their 6-3 win against Leicester and their win against Arsenal (which had a bit of everything) either side of that midweek game weren’t too bad.

Brentford - in between those 2.

1st half of Chelsea v Liverpool was good although I didn’t call it as a 2-2 draw as soon as the equaliser went in.

[The Modfather]

Has anybody ever really said third place was unacceptable? Or did they just say they didn’t particularly enjoy the way a JR team played?

I think it’s the latter. I’d have been happier to finish a place or two lower last season if I enjoyed it more. 3rd last season was good, but it’s still not a season I’ll look back on with much fondness.

[theonlywayisup]

I think it’s the latter. I’d have been happier to finish a place or two lower last season if I enjoyed it more. 3rd last season was good, but it’s still not a season I’ll look back on with much fondness.

Really!

You would be happier for Hibs to have missed out on Europe just as long as you enjoy watching the Hibs more. That's bonkers!

[The Modfather]

Really!

You would be happier for Hibs to have missed out on Europe just as long as you enjoy watching the Hibs more. That's bonkers!

That’s not quite what I said, but in this hypothetical scenario I’d not see a couple of ties in Europe as worth sitting through a 38 game season I didn’t enjoy.

[Shrekko]

Has anybody ever really said third place was unacceptable? Or did they just say they didn’t particularly enjoy the way a JR team played?

Would ‘meaningless’ as opposed to ‘unacceptable’ be better?

A lot of people were basically saying they couldn’t care less we finished 3rd because they didn’t like what they were watching - you know it and I know it.

Edit : and you’re playing with words - I didn’t say anyone said simply finishing 3rd was unacceptable.

[B.H.F.C]

Would ‘meaningless’ as opposed to ‘unacceptable’ be better?

A lot of people were basically saying they couldn’t care less we finished 3rd because they didn’t like what they were watching - you know it and I know it.

I know plenty people found it crap to watch, the empty seats told us that.

I don’t recall people saying the finishing position was unacceptable though, as you said initially. Think that’s a totally different thing altogether.

[B.H.F.C]

Would ‘meaningless’ as opposed to ‘unacceptable’ be better?

A lot of people were basically saying they couldn’t care less we finished 3rd because they didn’t like what they were watching - you know it and I know it.

Edit : and you’re playing with words - I didn’t say anyone said simply finishing 3rd was unacceptable.

I’m not playing with words. Your initial post said, “Some Hibs fans have been telling us recently that even 3rd place (1st place for us in reality) is not acceptable unless it's done with style”.

I just dispute that view. Big difference between saying something is unacceptable and not enjoyable IMO.

[Since452]

I think it’s the latter. I’d have been happier to finish a place or two lower last season if I enjoyed it more. 3rd last season was good, but it’s still not a season I’ll look back on with much fondness.

I'll never understand that mindset. I'd take mind numbing football and 3rd over inconsistent and 5th every single time. Not that last season was mind numbing, far from it.

[B.H.F.C]

I'll never understand that mindset. I'd take mind numbing football and 3rd over inconsistent and 5th every single time. Not that last season was mind numbing, far from it.

I preferred watching the team that finished fourth a few seasons ago over the team that finished third last season.

[Shrekko]

I’m not playing with words. Your initial post said, “Some Hibs fans have been telling us recently that even 3rd place (1st place for us in reality) is not acceptable unless it's done with style”.

I just dispute that view. Big difference between saying something is unacceptable and not enjoyable IMO.

Yes.... I didn't say some found finishing 3rd unacceptable, I said some people found it unacceptable that we finished 3rd but (in their opinion) without style. Huge difference- and as you rightly say the empty seats showed some people felt this. I have been making the point that these same people are going to be exceptionally hard to please going forward as winning games is tough enough without having to get high marks for artistic impression.

And ...we really are over egging things here regarding the supposed boring football- 3rd top scorers in the league over 38 games would suggest it wasn't quite as bad as suggested. Certainly have never been aware of neutrals saying how dire we were to watch. But that's just an old argument that will never be agreed on.

It certainly would be interesting to see if we become a better team to watch (whatever that is) and finish maybe 5th or 6th whether we'd get bigger crowds!

[The Modfather]

I'll never understand that mindset. I'd take mind numbing football and 3rd over inconsistent and 5th every single time. Not that last season was mind numbing, far from it.

That’s fair enough. Although what’s there not to understand. Style/enjoyment, call it what you want, is more important to me than results. Results are your bottom line, I don’t feel like that but I understand where you’re coming from.

As has already been mentioned, and I’ve said before. I far more enjoyed Lennon’s season where we finished 4th than Jack Ross finishing 3rd, despite it being a lower finish.

[B.H.F.C]

Yes.... I didn't say some found finishing 3rd unacceptable, I said some people found it unacceptable that we finished 3rd but (in their opinion) without style. Huge difference- and as you rightly say the empty seats showed some people felt this. I have been making the point that these same people are going to be exceptionally hard to please going forward as winning games is tough enough without having to get high marks for artistic impression.

And ...we really are over egging things here regarding the supposed boring football- 3rd top scorers in the league over 38 games would suggest it wasn't quite as bad as suggested. Certainly have never been aware of neutrals saying how dire we were to watch. But that's just an old argument that will never be agreed on.

It certainly would be interesting to see if we become a better team to watch (whatever that is) and finish maybe 5th or 6th whether we'd get bigger crowds!

Maybe the empty seats suggest we’re not over egging it. People weren’t just moaning, they actually really did find it boring.

I think the thing being over egged is how hard folk are to please. I don’t think anyone is thinking we should be winning everything going. They just want to enjoy watching us, which (in a lot of cases) the weren’t. I’m glad we have folk running the club who saw that and acted on it and have some hope that I didn’t have a couple of months ago.

[bingo70]

I'll never understand that mindset. I'd take mind numbing football and 3rd over inconsistent and 5th every single time. Not that last season was mind numbing, far from it.

I don’t think anybody is asking you to?

I preferred Lennons season where we finished 4th to Ross’s 3rd place finish. I don’t really care if you understand my mentality or not. We’re obviously just looking for different things.

You only care about the end result, I want to go and enjoy watching Hibs.

You didn’t find hibs mind numbingly boring last year, again, that’s fine. I did and so did many others clearly.

Whether a team is entertaining or not isn’t something that can be debated really, you’ll never convince me it was entertaining last year and I can never convince you it was boring. You enjoyed it and I never, that’s fine.

I think the significant thing is that enough people felt it was boring enough this season to keep them away from Easter Road and that’s probably one of the reasons the board felt they had to act.

[Danderhall Hibs]

Maybe the empty seats suggest we’re not over egging it. People weren’t just moaning, they actually really did find it boring.

I think the thing being over egged is how hard folk are to please. I don’t think anyone is thinking we should be winning everything going. They just want to enjoy watching us, which (in a lot of cases) the weren’t. I’m glad we have folk running the club who saw that and acted on it and have some hope that I didn’t have a couple of months ago.

We weren’t allowed to go last season - this year we weren’t winning as often, that’s more likely the reason for the empty seats. There’s a few of you been banging this drum for a while and although it’s picked up momentum I don’t think it’s proof.

Next time we lose a few games folk will stop going again, even if the football is sparkling. Although it won’t be cos we’ll be getting beat.

[LeithMike]

I preferred watching the team that finished fourth a few seasons ago over the team that finished third last season.Snap. The teams were incomparable too. The 2017/18 side was IMO miles ahead of the 2020-21 side.

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[B.H.F.C]

We weren’t allowed to go last season - this year we weren’t winning as often, that’s more likely the reason for the empty seats. There’s a few of you been banging this drum for a while and although it’s picked up momentum I don’t think it’s proof.

Next time we lose a few games folk will stop going again, even if the football is sparkling. Although it won’t be cos we’ll be getting beat.

It’s not a court of law, I didn’t realise there was a need to prove things beyond doubt. It’s not exactly an unreasonable observation as to why people weren’t going. Not the only reason why people weren’t going, but a definite reason.

If we lose games it will discourage folk from going. Always has, always will. If we win that will encourage more to go. Win and play well it’ll encourage even more. We need to get the folk back that have stopped going before we worry about losing them again anyway.

[HibeEC]

I don’t think anybody is asking you to?

I preferred Lennons season where we finished 4th to Ross’s 3rd place finish. I don’t really care if you understand my mentality or not. We’re obviously just looking for different things.

I agree

[Danderhall Hibs]

It’s not a court of law, I didn’t realise there was a need to prove things beyond doubt. It’s not exactly an unreasonable observation as to why people weren’t going. Not the only reason why people weren’t going, but a definite reason.

If we lose games it will discourage folk from going. Always has, always will. If we win that will encourage more to go. Win and play well it’ll encourage even more. We need to get the folk back that have stopped going before we worry about losing them again anyway.

I didn’t say it had to be proved beyond doubt. It just seems ridiculous you’re saying folk didn’t go to the games when we weren’t allowed in.

[B.H.F.C]

I didn’t say it had to be proved beyond doubt. It just seems ridiculous you’re saying folk didn’t go to the games when we weren’t allowed in.

What on earth are you talking about? I said nothing of the kind (although it would be technically correct to say people didn’t go when they weren’t allowed in).

[Danderhall Hibs]

What on earth are you talking about? I said nothing of the kind (although it would be technically correct to say people didn’t go when they weren’t allowed in).

It’s not unreasonable to say crowds would’ve been up last season due to us winning regularly and scoring lots of goals etc.

This year they’re down (on 2 seasons ago) due to us losing more games.

We’re a fickle bunch really and no over egging the “style of play” chat will change that - we win we’re back, we lose we’re not.

[Shrekko]

Maybe the empty seats suggest we’re not over egging it. People weren’t just moaning, they actually really did find it boring.

I think the thing being over egged is how hard folk are to please. I don’t think anyone is thinking we should be winning everything going. They just want to enjoy watching us, which (in a lot of cases) the weren’t. I’m glad we have folk running the club who saw that and acted on it and have some hope that I didn’t have a couple of months ago.

Ok mate - I totally respect your opinion and I’m not saying I’m in complete disagreement. Everyone is entitled to feel whatever way they do.

I think an element of our support IS very hard to please - our crowds drop like a stone when we’re not doing well. I don’t think there’s another team in Scotland with such a big percentage differential in crowds at good and bad times… but again it’s everyone’s right to choose so it’s more an observation rather than a criticism. It maybe depends which Hibs teams you’ve seen as far as where your bar is set but I am 100 percent positive I’ve seen a lot worse for longer periods of time than under JR.

[Hibbyradge]

It’s not unreasonable to say crowds would’ve been up last season due to us winning regularly and scoring lots of goals etc.

This year they’re down (on 2 seasons ago) due to us losing more games.

We’re a fickle bunch really and no over egging the “style of play” chat will change that - we win we’re back, we lose we’re not.

Crowds were also affected by Covid fears.

[B.H.F.C]

It’s not unreasonable to say crowds would’ve been up last season due to us winning regularly and scoring lots of goals etc.

This year they’re down (on 2 seasons ago) due to us losing more games.

We’re a fickle bunch really and no over egging the “style of play” chat will change that - we win we’re back, we lose we’re not.

Maybe they would have, maybe they wouldn’t. We’ll never know. If you’re comparing to two seasons ago, it wasn’t exactly a winning team though. Our away form was much better than our home form so ER might not have been bouncing. As I say, we’ll never know.

[blackpoolhibs]

I also enjoyed the Lennon 4th place finish more than the Ross 3rd place finish, but there are many reasons why, mostly because i could actually go to the Lennon season.

And remember, Lennon got soooooooo much stick from folk on here for not finishing 2nd, he lost us 2nd place apparently because of his messing about with the team at Tynecastle, the abuse he received after that game was hilarious.

In fact there were an element of our support who could not say a good word about him from the minute he arrived, much like Ross too.

For the record, i enjoyed both seasons.

[theonlywayisup]

Will be interesting to see how this develops over the weeks and months to come. It's obvious he prefers the build up from the back, then pass through the midfield breaking the 'press' onto the forwards. Then if we lose the ball, we 'press' to win it back, hopefully in a more forward position. Works well at Man City and Chelsea, but will it work at Hibs with the players we have. Cannot see this style working as effectively at Easter Road, as the fans will want the ball punted forward at the first sign of scary moments in defence. Even the best defenders in the world make mistakes when playing this style of play.

Last night, it felt when we were in possession, the general movement of the ball was towards our goals rather than forward. I lost count of the number of times we had the ball on the centre line, then a few passes later the ball was in line or behind our 18 yard box. That said, it was a Celtic team that played well. More relevant will be how we play against Cove, Motherwell and Livingston, before we play the Hertz.

[Hibee Mac]

Will be interesting to see how this develops over the weeks and months to come. It's obvious he prefers the build up from the back, then pass through the midfield breaking the 'press' onto the forwards. Then if we lose the ball, we 'press' to win it back, hopefully in a more forward position. Works well at Man City and Chelsea, but will it work at Hibs with the players we have. Cannot see this style working as effectively at Easter Road, as the fans will want the ball punted forward at the first sign of scary moments in defence. Even the best defenders in the world make mistakes when playing this style of play.

Last night, it felt when we were in possession, the general movement of the ball was towards our goals rather than forward. I lost count of the number of times we had the ball on the centre line, then a few passes later the ball was in line or behind our 18 yard box. That said, it was a Celtic team that played well. More relevant will be how we play against Cove, Motherwell and Livingston, before we play the Hertz.I think we will go as we are until summer, at which point a key position to sort is the pivot in midfield. I think JDH could play a role but him and Newell together is not the answer for this system.

[The Wireless]

Crowds were also affected by Covid fears.

Big time influence married with being able to watch on TV at home on a fraction of the price.

[Unseen work]

I think his style will work.

We were able to play out last night but Celtic also allowed us to do this to a certain degree and then pressed. But we did break the press on numerous occasions, the main thing is when you do break it that you’re direct and progress with the ball and not end up back where you started which is what happened last night.

Porteous was a huge miss as he can step into play and essentially take a man out of the game, he can also thread the ball into midfield and forwards and take the opposition out the game. Clarke is another that would have offered this.

For me the main thing Maloney will have noticed last night is that we need more in the final third. Direct play, bravery and creativity - we kept the ball well and worked it into the forward areas.

At the end of the day it’s the classic fine margains but there’s a few points for me which need to be kept in mind;

Unavailable players - Porteous, McGinn, Clarke, Magennis, Melkersen and Henderson. I imagine the majority would have been in contention to start.

Nisbet chance - You need to take your chance 3 minutes in and it changes the game. That miss shattered the rest of his performance.

Celtics goals - An individual mistake by Campbell which left us brutally exposed and a questionable penalty as it potentially struck the celtics players arm first.

How many other decent chances did they have? Genuine decent chances? When Abada hit the post I’m sure that was given as offside. A couple of shots from the edge of the box?

Maloney will get there, he’s still trying to suss everyone out and decide who he’s happy to move on and where we need to strengthen.

[timewilltell]

Crowds were also affected by Covid fears.

I keep hearing crowds were affected by Covid.

English Premiership grounds are full every week!

The fact our attendances are down is because the football has been boring.

[B.H.F.C]

I think his style will work.

We were able to play out last night but Celtic also allowed us to do this to a certain degree and then pressed. But we did break the press on numerous occasions, the main thing is when you do break it that you’re direct and progress with the ball and not end up back where you started which is what happened last night.

Porteous was a huge miss as he can step into play and essentially take a man out of the game, he can also thread the ball into midfield and forwards and take the opposition out the game. Clarke is another that would have offered this.

For me the main thing Maloney will have noticed last night is that we need more in the final third. Direct play, bravery and creativity - we kept the ball well and worked it into the forward areas.

At the end of the day it’s the classic fine margains but there’s a few points for me which need to be kept in mind;

Unavailable players - Porteous, McGinn, Clarke, Magennis, Melkersen and Henderson. I imagine the majority would have been in contention to start.

Nisbet chance - You need to take your chance 3 minutes in and it changes the game. That miss shattered the rest of his performance.

Celtics goals - An individual mistake by Campbell which left us brutally exposed and a questionable penalty as it potentially struck the celtics players arm first.

How many other decent chances did they have? Genuine decent chances? When Abada hit the post I’m sure that was given as offside. A couple of shots from the edge of the box?

Maloney will get there, he’s still trying to suss everyone out and decide who he’s happy to move on and where we need to strengthen.

Of those players mentioned there are three that make a big difference, for me.

Porteous because he’ll take a chance wit a pass. And it gets us away quicker. Clarke because, from what I’ve seen, he’d bring a bit purpose and get us up the pitch quicker. Magennis because he brings a bit of something that our other midfielders simply don’t have. Passing and keeping the ball is fine, we just need players that can do it with more purpose at times. I’m sure Maloney wants that as well.

[greenlex]

I keep hearing crowds were affected by Covid.

English Premiership grounds are full every week!

The fact our attendances are down is because the football has been boring.

It’s not a fact. Its your opinion. It’s only one factor. Unless you asked every season ticket holder why they weren’t attending there’s no way of knowing. There are certainly a good number not attending for covid related reasons. There’s probably a bigger number not going because they can watch it on the telly and not out in the cold and having to travel to the games.

[CapitalGreen]

I keep hearing crowds were affected by Covid.

English Premiership grounds are full every week!

The fact our attendances are down is because the football has been boring.

While I agree the football has been boring and that will have impacted attendances, English clubs didn’t begin their seasons with attendance restrictions in place. That uncertainty in Scotland will have put a lot of people off investing in season tickets this year.

[B.H.F.C]

While I agree the football has been boring and that will have impacted attendances, English clubs didn’t begin their seasons with attendance restrictions in place. That uncertainty in Scotland will have put a lot of people off investing in season tickets this year.

Don’t think folk investing in them was our problem, it’s getting them to use them.

[bingo70]

It’s not a fact. Its your opinion. It’s only one factor. Unless you asked every season ticket holder why they weren’t attending there’s no way of knowing. There are certainly a good number not attending for covid related reasons. There’s probably a bigger number not going because they can watch it on the telly and not out in the cold and having to travel to the games.

Hearts are probably a good comparison.

They’re having a good season and I’m not aware of their fans staying away in large numbers worrying about covid?

Are Hibs fans just more scared of covid than Hearts fans?

[MWHIBBIES]

I keep hearing crowds were affected by Covid.

English Premiership grounds are full every week!

The fact our attendances are down is because the football has been boring.

English grounds are always full every week. It's because England has 10x our population. Every team in their top 3 leagues would take 45k to Wembley for example. Here, maybe 5 could muster that.

Covid has affected everything. Every single thing, including football attendance.

[Ozyhibby]

Side to side to side to side
Zero through balls from midfield
Zero shots on target
Horrific


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[Frazerbob]

Side to side to side to side
Zero through balls from midfield
Zero shots on target
Horrific


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Agreed. Great at triangles between the 18 yard and half lines and get the ball into some good wide positions but zero penetration, zero shots on target and zero entertainment. Boring as ****!

[Coco Bryce]

Side to side to side to side
Zero through balls from midfield
Zero shots on target
Horrific


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But but 63% possession though 🙄

[Unseen work]

Unfortunately I just don’t think our team is that good, especially in the final third.

We need to recruit real quality.

[1875Sean]

Unfortunately I just don’t think our team is that good, especially in the final third.

We need to recruit real quality.

We have attacking players on the bench tho, set up with far too many defensive minded players in the starting 11

[Broxburn Greens]

Frustrating to watch tonight. Lots of the ball but going nowhere with it.

Granted the conditions were awful but 0 shots on target is just horrendous.

[LunasBoots]

Too many similar players in midfield without any real clinical passer between midfield and attack.

[Alfred E Newman]

Time to judge Maloney is when he has a full squad at his disposal. With the patchwork defence he had out tonight and the atrocious conditions, I thought we did well to dominate the game and if Doidge sticks the late chance away everyone goes home happy.

[B.H.F.C]

Unfortunately I just don’t think our team is that good, especially in the final third.

We need to recruit real quality.

Sitting on the M8 on the way through when I saw the team. Heart sank when I saw all three of Campbell, Newell and JDH playing. As soon as you see that you know there is going to be next to no creativity. And then the first sub is to bring Drey Wright on. Pish.

[Since452]

Frustrating to watch tonight. Lots of the ball but going nowhere with it.

Granted the conditions were awful but 0 shots on target is just horrendous.

To be fair Motherwell only had 2 and they were the home team. Conditions were horrendous.

[Stuart93]

Unfortunately I just don’t think our team is that good, especially in the final third.

We need to recruit real quality.

Yep. We need to spend money on players who’ll create and players that are actually ready to play now

[Since452]

Sitting on the M8 on the way through when I saw the team. Heart sank when I saw all three of Campbell, Newell and JDH playing. As soon as you see that you know there is going to be next to no creativity. And then the first sub is to bring Drey Wright on. Pish.

He didn't have many options. Henderson has hardly played any games and Allan is a passenger.

[The 90+2]

Disasterous

Sacking Jack Ross for this is mental

Let’s anyone pretend they have a clue it’s better also.

[Stuart93]

Disasterous

Steady

[The 90+2]

Steady

Nah. It’s *****.

[Stuart93]

Nah. It’s *****.

Aye tonight it was ***** but disasterous is a tad dramatic

[Hibs90]

He's got his work cut out for him trying to get some flair and creativity out of that midfield. Newell and JDH remind me of Paddy Cregg and Kevin McBride playing like that.

Sorry Shaun but Newell isn't KDB and Mueller isn't Hazard and they aren't going to produce moments of quality and magic needed on a regular basis. Serious lack of creativity which is worrying as we've also just lost our most creative and influential player.

[The 90+2]

Aye tonight it was ***** but disasterous is a tad dramatic

Celtic? Cove? This will end in disaster.

[Stuart93]

Celtic? Cove? This will end in disaster.

Again very dramatic, especially after 5 games

[Paul1642]

Disasterous

Sacking Jack Ross for this is mental

Let’s anyone pretend they have a clue it’s better also.

Got to agree. Not because I think there is anything wrong with Maloney or that he won’t succeed, but because it was pretty clear that Jack Ross was just going through a rough spell and with a bit of luck and the backing that Maloney had been given in transfers, Ross would easily have come good.

[Iain G]

Disasterous

Sacking Jack Ross for this is mental

Let’s anyone pretend they have a clue it’s better also.

Maybe wanna give it a chance?!?

[Hibs90]

Celtic? Cove? This will end in disaster.

You're hoping it does that's for sure.

[Hibs90]

Got to agree. Not because I think there is anything wrong with Maloney or that he won’t succeed, but because it was pretty clear that Jack Ross was just going through a rough spell and with a bit of luck and the backing that Maloney had been given in transfers, Ross would easily have come good.

Ross was backed very well.

[Shrekko]

Again very dramatic, especially after 5 games

But yet it was ok for folk to say he’d transformed us in 2?

I desperately hope I’m wrong but this is incredibly worrying.

[B.H.F.C]

He didn't have many options. Henderson has hardly played any games and Allan is a passenger.

Ah the Allan is a passenger chat. I’m not really arguing we should have started him but would he have been more of a passenger than someone like Campbell?

We had Doidge, Mitchell and Murphy sitting on the bench and we decide to bring Drey Wright on first.

Sick of us signing players and hearing all the not ready to play chat. Everyone else manages to sign a player and put them in the team without any fuss. Celtic did it against us. Hearts signed a player today and he plays 45 minutes. If that was us we’d not see him for a couple of weeks.

[The 90+2]

Maybe wanna give it a chance?!?

Like Jack Ross was?

[Hibs90]

But yet it was ok for folk to say he’d transformed us in 2?

I desperately hope I’m wrong but this is incredibly worrying.

Nobody said he'd transformed us, but there is and still is a clear and obvious difference in the style and tactics. We need creativity, a bit of flair and a bit of quality in the middle of the park.

[Steve20]

Got to agree. Not because I think there is anything wrong with Maloney or that he won’t succeed, but because it was pretty clear that Jack Ross was just going through a rough spell and with a bit of luck and the backing that Maloney had been given in transfers, Ross would easily have come good.

I take it this is sarcasm. The semi defeat to Hearts? The semi defeat to St Johnstone? The cup final defeat to St Johnstone? The eye bleeding football? The terrible run of form this season?

After which one would Jack Ross have come good???? He was rightfully sacked. Just because the football has been poor to watch under Maloney so far, doesn’t mean Jack Ross leaving was wrong.

It’s not been great so far, but Maloney deserve time to sort out this garbage that Jack Ross left behind.

[B.H.F.C]

Disasterous

Sacking Jack Ross for this is mental

Let’s anyone pretend they have a clue it’s better also.

Our results have improved since we binned him though, haven’t they?

[The 90+2]

You're hoping it does that's for sure.

No. But Ross should never have been sacked.

We have a much *****r coach now:

Do we just say so because he’s in charge?

[Iain G]

Like Jack Ross was?

He got more than 5 games of a chance and we were on a very poor league run.

[Stuart93]

Like Jack Ross was?

Is this going to be your chat until Maloney either has us playing better or gets the sack?

[The 90+2]

He got more than 5 games of a chance and we were on a very poor league run.

Celtic was ***** Thursday ***** tonight *****

[Iain G]

No. But Ross should never have been sacked.

We have a much *****r coach now:

Do we just say so because he’s in charge?

We should never have sacked Sauzee either if you want to focus on the past...

[Hibs90]

No. But Ross should never have been sacked.

We have a much *****r coach now:

Do we just say so because he’s in charge?


*****r coach? Because you'll know what it's like to be coached by Ross or Maloney.

Have a day off, Jack.

[The 90+2]

Is this going to be your chat until Maloney either has us playing better or gets the sack?

Probably. Because we have sacked the best coach we could attract and replaced him with who knows what.

Am I not want to want the best for our club?

Sacking Jack Ross will turn out disasterous

[Keepthefaith]

Celtic? Cove? This will end in disaster.

Get a sense of perspective mate. Look at how close Alex Ferguson was to being sacked by man utd. Can't just throw foundations down that easily. We're missing magennis, Clarke, Porto who would all be first choice and were having to adapt to life without Boyle, no easy feat.

Let's see how the window finishes, give him 3 months and then reassess? Don't forget we also have some promising youngsters. This season may not be all we want but I'm very positive about the future.

Calm, perspective and positivity.

[Iain G]

Celtic was ***** Thursday ***** tonight *****

Yet we got through the cup game and didn't lose tonight! It's gonna take time and patience to see where this goes and develops and Maloney deserves.a reasonable amount of time to implement his ideas.

Jack had run out of ideas and we were in poor league form.

[#2 Double Tap]

Got to agree. Not because I think there is anything wrong with Maloney or that he won’t succeed, but because it was pretty clear that Jack Ross was just going through a rough spell and with a bit of luck and the backing that Maloney had been given in transfers, Ross would easily have come good.

ha, ross got a season too long, losing that cup final shoulda seen him emptied.

[Unseen work]

He’s got 7/9 against Aberdeen, United and Motherwell - All of whom were above us when we played them. That’s a very good return.

The one thing that is clear is he doesn’t have a clue what his best team is.

Scott Allan started the first game as he done well in training - hardly kicked a ball since.

Drey Wright then came in and started 2 in a row, not playing against cove then first sub tonight.

Murphy has normally been the first sub but no sign of him tonight.

Scott has came on a couple of times and nothing tonight.

He needs to get rid of the players he doesn’t want and bring in real quality.

Getting your attackers playing well is also about consistent and knowing each other’s games.

[The Modfather]

Celtic? Cove? This will end in disaster.

I suspect we’ll see you subtly, and probably not so subtly, sniping away at Maloney consistently for the next 2 or 3 years. When it’s probably time for Maloney to go, either sacked or poached by someone higher up the food chain.

Maloney may or may not turn out to be a good manager but he’s inherited the Martin Boyle team with us now having sold Boyle. We need real quality added in midfield and attack if we’re to resolve the creativity issues that long pre date Maloney.

[Stuart93]

Probably. Because we have sacked the best coach we could attract and replaced him with who knows what.

Am I not want to want the best for our club?

Sacking Jack Ross will turn out disasterous

Best coach we could attract? Come off it. The best coach hibs can attract should have more than enough about him to ensure his team doesn’t get beat in a Scottish cup final against st johnstone.

You’re going totally over the top here about how good jack ross was. It’s quite painful viewing.

[007]

Mind when Hearts fans were getting all excited at Stendel and his gegenpressing. They were loving it even whilst they were losing every week (and ended up relegated). I doubt Maloney will be thinking tonight was great and that it was exactly what he wants so I'm happy to back him and trust he'll be working with the players to improve us going forward.

I'd much rather Maloney's way getting us decent results along the way until he's got us playing the way he wants compared to Stendel's relegation achieving methods.

[Iain G]

I suspect we’ll see you subtly, and probably not so subtly, sniping away at Maloney consistently for the next 2 or 3 years. When it’s probably time for Maloney to go, either sacked or poached by someone higher up the food chain.

Maloney may or may not turn out to be a good manager but he’s inherited the Martin Boyle team with us now having sold Boyle. We need real quality added in midfield and attack if we’re to resolve the creativity issues that long pre date Maloney.

Am sure the I told you so post is written already, ready to plaster up here if Maloney doesn't succeed in his game plan

[Paul1642]

Best coach we could attract? Come off it. The best coach hibs can attract should have more than enough about him to ensure his team doesn’t get beat in a Scottish cup final against st johnstone.

You’re going totally over the top here about how good jack ross was. It’s quite painful viewing.

The same St Johnstone team who beat the premier league manager Steven Gerrard in the Quarter finals? One off games don’t define a manager / team.

[Pagan Hibernia]

We’re all foreplay and no penetration

[Stuart93]

The same St Johnstone team who beat the premier league manager Steven Gerrard in the Quarter finals? One off games don’t define a manager / team.

Aye that’s true. The 9 games without a win were much more telling

[007]

We’re all foreplay and no penetration

😀

Nisbet shot his bolt after 30 seconds just when he was entering the box.

[Shrekko]

Our results have improved since we binned him though, haven’t they?

Thought it was only “style” that mattered?😉

For me - we’ve had 4 eye bleeders out of 5 so far and we’re trying to play a style that our players are not capable of executing.

It’s very early days but I don’t believe this sideways passing up the park from box to box will work at our level.

Notice the Motherwell commentator said tonight that they were doing that when Alexander arrived but binned it fairly quickly.

[Pete]

Forget Jack Ross and let's concentrate what's in front of us now.
People say his style of football is 'boring' but let's try looking at the bigger picture and playing the long game. It's not working well just now because we are missing some creativity and it's an unsettled team. Try imagining it when we do have the missing pieces...that spark in midfield that leads to opening other teams up.
With Maloney and his style you can at least see the potential and visualise a bright future. Not so with other, less cultured styles.
Will we fill in the blanks though? Surely that's the priority.

[PH91]

Unfortunately I just don’t think our team is that good, especially in the final third.

We need to recruit real quality.

I agree we look utterly toothless, although the shape we are playing doesn't help.

We have mueller, henderson, murphy, allan, wright, campbell, magennis, melkerson, scott, nisbet and doidge, that's 11 players all vying for 3 spots in the starting 11. 3 of them have just been recruited!

I imagine we need to move a good few on before we are signing any more. Hopefully we can do that as we really need to get in someone with a bit of pace.

[Hibs90]

The same St Johnstone team who beat the premier league manager Steven Gerrard in the Quarter finals? One off games don’t define a manager / team.

It was more than a one off game.

St. J Semi
St. J Final
Hearts at ER
Hearts Semi

How's that for starters? I'm sure I don't need to list the rest.

[Cat Stanton]

Disasterous

Sacking Jack Ross for this is mental

Let’s anyone pretend they have a clue it’s better also.
Your spelling is certainly disastrous.

[Pete]

Thought it was only “style” that mattered?😉

For me - we’ve had 4 eye bleeders out of 5 so far and we’re trying to play a style that our players are not capable of executing.

It’s very early days but I don’t believe this sideways passing up the park from box to box will work at our level.

Notice the Motherwell commentator said tonight that they were doing that when Alexander arrived but binned it fairly quickly.

Our budget is superior to Motherwell's and I believe we can acquire the type of players to play successfully this way.
Imagine our academy producing players that can...

Perhaps, if we give it time.

[Tobias Funke]

Your spelling is certainly disastrous.

Best ignored in my opinion.

[B.H.F.C]

Thought it was only “style” that mattered?😉

For me - we’ve had 4 eye bleeders out of 5 so far and we’re trying to play a style that our players are not capable of executing.

It’s very early days but I don’t believe this sideways passing up the park from box to box will work at our level.

Notice the Motherwell commentator said tonight that they were doing that when Alexander arrived but binned it fairly quickly.

At the point of sacking Ross we didn’t have style or the results.

We do need better players. We did before Ross was sacked and we do now he’s gone. Need to see how Maloney does when the has his own players, if we care to sign a few who are considered as being available to play.

[Greenbeard]

We’re all foreplay and no penetration
Ha ha. It's very safe though.

[The Harp Awakes]

Sitting on the M8 on the way through when I saw the team. Heart sank when I saw all three of Campbell, Newell and JDH playing. As soon as you see that you know there is going to be next to no creativity. And then the first sub is to bring Drey Wright on. Pish.

Pretty much sums it up. I thought a 0-0 was as good a result as we could have hoped for when I saw the line up. I do think Campbell needs a spell out of the side. He's a young lad who hopefully has a bright future, but he seems to be going through the motions just now.

Maloney has inherited a very imbalanced team, and he needs time to sort it out. I worry though that the fans are going to get increasingly irritated with the complete lack of creativity and lack of goals.

[Shrekko]

Our budget is superior to Motherwell's and I believe we can acquire the type of players to play successfully this way.
Imagine our academy producing players that can...

Perhaps, if we give it time.

Don’t get me wrong - I’m happy to give it time and be patient. I hope SM is able to be adaptable though.

It’s not easy for Hibs to get high quality players though.

My dig is just really aimed at people who were being far too quick to claim we had improved overnight.

[silverhibee]

Celtic? Cove? This will end in disaster.

Your not even giving him time, give it a rest eh.

[bingo70]

I like what Maloney is trying to do with our team. Quite depressing that people can’t see the difference between what this team is trying to do compared to Ross’s.

That said, we’ve got nowhere near the quality in the final third we need to pull it off.

The fact he is still using Drey Wright and Josh Campbell is worrying. He needs to make the right noises about giving every one a chance but if he actually believes that and it wasn’t just media sound bites then that’s worrying. Both those players are absolutely miles and miles away from where we want to be.