Hibs fans at the Scottish Cup Final

[Spike Mandela]

If it was 3000 then 1200 more of our fans that want to go to the game would get to go. Not everyone is like you and would rather watch it at home or in the pub.

Yip, each to their own:aok:

[1van Sprou7e]

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Well that's a silly comparison

[Callum_62]

Tanner out.

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[Ronniekirk]

Not guaranteed if that infection rate isn't brought down.

They agreed with UEFA it was 12 000 that was the only way it was going ahead
So will be very interesting to see how this pans out



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[Squealing pig]

Give st Johnston the 600 make it like an away game , win

[Squealing pig]

Wait til we see all the sticky buns on Saturday too 🤷*♂️

[Waxy]

It’ll be the biggest crowd of the season.

[Logie Green]

It was a general statement which he made. He didn’t make that statement in the context of teams who have a proportionately large season ticket support which you have specifically raised. It would make sense in cases in grounds where home season ticket uptake is small.
From your personal views on Leitch I think you’re looking to be offended.

You’re wrong about me looking to be offended but you crack on with your presumptions. 👍

I know he made a general statement; all I did was point out the flaw in it.

[Jones28]

Less than the snooker and that was indoors :crazy:

Holy **** that’s ridiculous 😂😂😂

Scottish football eh?

Actually think this is more the government. Trying to make a taken gesture and eventually pleasing no one.

[Hibbyradge]

Because the 2000 or so UEFA delegates and sponsors, would have to quarantine on arriving in London

Big cost for the 12,000 fans travelling though

Cheaper than Turkey though.

[CMurdoch]

It is the saddest miss of the season for Hibs and St Johnstone fans.
Hard to believe we won't be there.
The cherry on the covid turd with a nasty injection of UEFA.

[Billy Whizz]

Will be more people in Asda Rutherglen, 200 yards from Hampden, between 2pm and 4pm

[3pm]

Will be more people in Asda Rutherglen, 200 yards from Hampden, between 2pm and 4pm

Asda will be delighted about the numbers. 😂

[Bertie's XI]

AST 2020-21 T&Cs

1. In signing up for the away season ticket, you have committed to purchasing a ticket to EVERYaway match when they become available. This covers all Hibernian FC first team domestic matchesand includes the Ladbrokes Premiership, Betfred League Cup and the William Hill Scottish Cup. Itdoes not include European matches.
2. You must register your card details with Ticketmaster through the Hibernian Ticket Office. Yourregistered card will be debited automatically every time an away match goes on sale.
3. If you are purchasing an away season ticket as part of a supporters group, everyone wishing to beseated together must be part of the one application form, with the cost of the tickets being deducted from one credit/debit card. You must let the Ticket Office know when you are registeringthat this is a supporters group application.
4. Away season tickets are only available to home season ticket holders.
5. Only 350 away season tickets are available for sale. This is to ensure that tickets will still be available for non-away season ticket holders.
6. Away season ticket holders are unable to benefit from ticket promotions at certain games. Forexample, a family ticket. You will pay the full price of a match ticket, with no discount.
7. You are unable to choose your seat at an away ground.
8. Tickets will be available for collection at the Hibernian Ticket Office. For tickets to be posted, anadditional cost will be incurred.
9. The cost of your away ticket will be debited from your registered debit/credit card one day priorto the tickets going on sale to season ticket holders. This is approximately 2 weeks for the match,but can change subject to when Hibernian FC receives the tickets from the opposition side.
10. If Hibernian FC is unable to deduct payment via your registered debit/credit card details you willbe contacted to discuss and to make payment. If you have changed your bank details or debit/creditcard, you must contact the ticket office immediately to update your details and to ensure paymentcan be made.
11. If Hibernian FC has been unable to deduct payment for two successive away matches, you willno longer be an away season ticket holder and no further attempts at taking payment for awaymatch tickets will be made. If you are the registered card holder for a group, this will mean thewhole group will no longer be away season ticket holders.
12. If the away club does not provide Hibernian FC with any tickets in advance of the match, theclub will be unable to allocate tickets to away season ticket holders and no money will be debitedfor this fixture

[Skol]

Imagine the seethe if you are one of the lucky 300 and get there to find you are in the back row of the east and need your binoculars :greengrin

[JOD]

Fan of ours just on Clyde Sportsound stating because of paltry 300 ammount give them to players for use by their families.

Great idea which i support. Some of both set of players will never reach another final.

Would be big gesture from the club.

I M for it.

:flag:

[Hibby70]

Imagine the seethe if you are one of the lucky 300 and get there to find you are in the back row of the east and need your binoculars :greengrin

I'd be done in by the time I got on the pitch at the end.

[Hibbyradge]

Meh.

Garden party then inside to watch in TV it is then.

https://www.aosom.co.uk/item/outsunny-4-6m-double-sided-patio-parasol-sun-umbrella-wine-red~84D-031V01WR.html?utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=google_shopping&gclid=CjwKCAjwnPOEBhA0EiwA609ReUA0m-fgnH4oZF1UQtM4-Oxid44aYTtmwlh0XbEfEszhfEt5Mx8zWRoCQ9wQAvD_BwE

You can probably get a green version too. :wink:

[Caversham Green]

Looks like they'll be announcing the fans' names over the tannoy rather than the teams.

[allezsauzee]

We might get more than 300 if St Johnstone can't sell out their allocation.:greengrin

[Gatecrasher]

Fan of ours just on Clyde Sportsound stating because of paltry 300 ammount give them to players for use by their families.

Great idea which i support. Some of both set of players will never reach another final.

Would be big gesture from the club.

I M for it.

:flag:

That's where I am, give the tickets to staff/players family. :agree:

[H18 SFR]

The more I think about it I’d like to see the players receive an allocation of tickets for their families.

I’d also like to see the employees of the club get a day out.

[hibee1875]

AST 2020-21 T&Cs

1. In signing up for the away season ticket, you have committed to purchasing a ticket to EVERYaway match when they become available. This covers all Hibernian FC first team domestic matchesand includes the Ladbrokes Premiership, Betfred League Cup and the William Hill Scottish Cup. Itdoes not include European matches….

You bought one then aye?

[BoomtownHibees]

The more I think about it I’d like to see the players receive an allocation of tickets for their families.

I’d also like to see the employees of the club get a day out.

Think St J fans are pressing for the same

[kaimendhibs]

AST 2020-21 T&Cs

1. In signing up for the away season ticket, you have committed to purchasing a ticket to EVERYaway match when they become available. This covers all Hibernian FC first team domestic matchesand includes the Ladbrokes Premiership, Betfred League Cup and the William Hill Scottish Cup. Itdoes not include European matches.
2. You must register your card details with Ticketmaster through the Hibernian Ticket Office. Yourregistered card will be debited automatically every time an away match goes on sale.
3. If you are purchasing an away season ticket as part of a supporters group, everyone wishing to beseated together must be part of the one application form, with the cost of the tickets being deducted from one credit/debit card. You must let the Ticket Office know when you are registeringthat this is a supporters group application.
4. Away season tickets are only available to home season ticket holders.
5. Only 350 away season tickets are available for sale. This is to ensure that tickets will still be available for non-away season ticket holders.
6. Away season ticket holders are unable to benefit from ticket promotions at certain games. Forexample, a family ticket. You will pay the full price of a match ticket, with no discount.
7. You are unable to choose your seat at an away ground.
8. Tickets will be available for collection at the Hibernian Ticket Office. For tickets to be posted, anadditional cost will be incurred.
9. The cost of your away ticket will be debited from your registered debit/credit card one day priorto the tickets going on sale to season ticket holders. This is approximately 2 weeks for the match,but can change subject to when Hibernian FC receives the tickets from the opposition side.
10. If Hibernian FC is unable to deduct payment via your registered debit/credit card details you willbe contacted to discuss and to make payment. If you have changed your bank details or debit/creditcard, you must contact the ticket office immediately to update your details and to ensure paymentcan be made.
11. If Hibernian FC has been unable to deduct payment for two successive away matches, you willno longer be an away season ticket holder and no further attempts at taking payment for awaymatch tickets will be made. If you are the registered card holder for a group, this will mean thewhole group will no longer be away season ticket holders.
12. If the away club does not provide Hibernian FC with any tickets in advance of the match, theclub will be unable to allocate tickets to away season ticket holders and no money will be debitedfor this fixture

Tin hat on but Im with you. Im one of those who 'renewed' my away season ticket. Commited to buying a ticket for every away game regardless.

[hibbysam]

The more I think about it I’d like to see the players receive an allocation of tickets for their families.

I’d also like to see the employees of the club get a day out.

100% although the club do that they’ll be lambasted by some for it as well. Just absolutely brutal that two days before the final, Dumbarton will have up to 500 in their ****ty little ground against Edinburgh City, yet Hampden gets 600. Shocker!

[marinello59]

The more I think about it I’d like to see the players receive an allocation of tickets for their families.

I’d also like to see the employees of the club get a day out.

That’s probably the least worst option here.
Whoever gets the tickets I hope they all have a cracking day at Hampden watching Hibs win another Scottish Cup. :thumbsup:

[hibee1875]

Tin hat on but Im with you. Im one of those who 'renewed' my away season ticket. Commited to buying a ticket for every away game regardless.

What if these tickets aren’t for sale?

[wallpaperman]

AST 2020-21 T&Cs

1. In signing up for the away season ticket, you have committed to purchasing a ticket to EVERYaway match when they become available. This covers all Hibernian FC first team domestic matchesand includes the Ladbrokes Premiership, Betfred League Cup and the William Hill Scottish Cup. Itdoes not include European matches.
2. You must register your card details with Ticketmaster through the Hibernian Ticket Office. Yourregistered card will be debited automatically every time an away match goes on sale.
3. If you are purchasing an away season ticket as part of a supporters group, everyone wishing to beseated together must be part of the one application form, with the cost of the tickets being deducted from one credit/debit card. You must let the Ticket Office know when you are registeringthat this is a supporters group application.
4. Away season tickets are only available to home season ticket holders.
5. Only 350 away season tickets are available for sale. This is to ensure that tickets will still be available for non-away season ticket holders.
6. Away season ticket holders are unable to benefit from ticket promotions at certain games. Forexample, a family ticket. You will pay the full price of a match ticket, with no discount.
7. You are unable to choose your seat at an away ground.
8. Tickets will be available for collection at the Hibernian Ticket Office. For tickets to be posted, anadditional cost will be incurred.
9. The cost of your away ticket will be debited from your registered debit/credit card one day priorto the tickets going on sale to season ticket holders. This is approximately 2 weeks for the match,but can change subject to when Hibernian FC receives the tickets from the opposition side.
10. If Hibernian FC is unable to deduct payment via your registered debit/credit card details you willbe contacted to discuss and to make payment. If you have changed your bank details or debit/creditcard, you must contact the ticket office immediately to update your details and to ensure paymentcan be made.
11. If Hibernian FC has been unable to deduct payment for two successive away matches, you willno longer be an away season ticket holder and no further attempts at taking payment for awaymatch tickets will be made. If you are the registered card holder for a group, this will mean thewhole group will no longer be away season ticket holders.
12. If the away club does not provide Hibernian FC with any tickets in advance of the match, theclub will be unable to allocate tickets to away season ticket holders and no money will be debitedfor this fixture

Is this some clumsy attempt to suggest that away season ticket holders are due a cup final ticket before anyone else?

Hate to break it to you but it’s not an away match, it’s a neutral venue....

[green day]

Maybe someone should do a poll with a load of options and Power can take the results to Hibs?

Appreciate its not representative, but it might help them decide what a large number of fans think?

[Waxy]

The more I think about it I’d like to see the players receive an allocation of tickets for their families.

I’d also like to see the employees of the club get a day out.

Agree with this with maybe a handful given to some of our oldest supporters.

[Pretty Boy]

Genuine question here.

Where ASTs ever confirmed for this season? I tried to apply for one this season but all I received was a thank you email saying Hibs would be in touch as the situation evolved, suffice to say no money has ever been deducted and no further communication about it has come forward.

Did anyone else, new or existing, receive any further confirmation that I didn't?

[kaimendhibs]

What if these tickets aren’t for sale?

Nothing I can do about that. But, I and others signed up for a blank canvas. So, are we wrong for thinking could be a chance. Some players families support Hibs, others most likely not.
NHS fair enough, my wife and daughter are both NHS.
Lets face it, no one has the answers, only opinions

[kaimendhibs]

Genuine question here.

Where ASTs ever confirmed for this season? I tried to apply for one this season but all I received was a thank you email saying Hibs would be in touch as the situation evolved, suffice to say no money has ever been deducted and no further communication about it has come forward.

Did anyone else, new or existing, receive any further confirmation that I didn't?

I was emailed and asked to confirm that I wanted to stay an away season ticket holder. I did and said so

[kaimendhibs]

Is this some clumsy attempt to suggest that away season ticket holders are due a cup final ticket before anyone else?

Hate to break it to you but it’s not an away match, it’s a neutral venue....

Read it again before you comment.

[hibee1875]

Nothing I can do about that. But, I and others signed up for a blank canvas. So, are we wrong for thinking could be a chance. Some players families support Hibs, others most likely not.
NHS fair enough, my wife and daughter are both NHS.
Lets face it, no one has the answers, only opinions

If it’s to be a ballot of supporters every fan who paid actual money towards a season ticket should be in it.

But tbh I doubt it will come to that. Friends and families of the players and the rest to the Hibs community trust no doubt. Hibs taking the hit for the cost of the tickets

[wallpaperman]

Read it again before you comment.

I have read it again and again and still not getting the point, so pardon me for being slow, but could you enlighten me to what I am missing?

[Hibbyradge]

Read it again before you comment.

I know it's splitting hairs, and utterly academic, but it does say "every away match" and clarifies that it applies to the league and the cups.

It doesn't say that it applies to "neutral venues" too.

An interesting, and expensive, legal battle beckons!

[kaimendhibs]

If it’s to be a ballot of supporters every fan who paid actual money towards a season ticket should be in it.

But tbh I doubt it will come to that. Friends and families of the players and the rest to the Hibs community trust no doubt. Hibs taking the hit for the cost of the tickets
Fair enough. Like I said we can only speculate. I may not be able to go even if I got a ticket. Just joining in with discussion

[Logie Green]

Is this some clumsy attempt to suggest that away season ticket holders are due a cup final ticket before anyone else?

Hate to break it to you but it’s not an away match, it’s a neutral venue....

Since the AST was introduced the process followed i.e. deduction of payment has been applied for all competitive ticketed matches played at stadiums in Scotland, including Hampden.

So whilst it is a neutral venue, for the purposes of the AST ‘membership’ it’s treated as an away match.

[H18 SFR]

I hate seeing the onset of bickering commencing on here.

Players’ families and employees please.

[kaimendhibs]

[QUOTE=wallpaperman;6562590]I have read it again and again and still not getting the point, so pardon me for being slow, but could you enlighten me to what I am missing?

Trust me, it includes games at Nuetral venues. However, I dont think its gonna matter on this occasion.

[Eyrie]

UEFA have only granted permission to use the South Stand, allegedly the other three are having preparatory work done on them ahead of the Euros. Advertising and branding no doubt.

Add in the ridiculous 2m distancing and that’s why they end up at 600.

I was worried that the fans would be in either end, which would mean seeing more of the action on my phone than on the pitch.

But a combination of UEFA and the Scottish politicians has resulted in a ridiculously low number of fans bein able to attend.

[Hibbyradge]

How many AST holders do we have?

I wouldn't be against those who committed to one this season getting a chance of a ticket, tbh.

[Steven79]

Agree with this with maybe a handful given to some of our oldest supporters.They would be the worst ones that could go considering the current circumstances.

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[B.H.F.C]

Genuine question here.

Where ASTs ever confirmed for this season? I tried to apply for one this season but all I received was a thank you email saying Hibs would be in touch as the situation evolved, suffice to say no money has ever been deducted and no further communication about it has come forward.

Did anyone else, new or existing, receive any further confirmation that I didn't?

I returned the form they sent out and got an email back to confirm that I’d been marked as renewed.

[hibee-boys]

The Scottish government are biased towards the old firm? Interesting

You’re kidding yourself if you think that this would’ve been the same outcome if either of the old firm had been involved.

[660]

How many AST holders do we have?

I wouldn't be against those who committed to one this season getting a chance of a ticket, tbh.

350 max but probably less than that actually signed up for one

[Hibbyradge]

Your kidding yourself if you think that this would’ve been the same outcome if either of the old firm had been involved.

I'm certain it would have been the same.

[CapitalGreen]

Since the AST was introduced the process followed i.e. deduction of payment has been applied for all competitive ticketed matches played at stadiums in Scotland, including Hampden.

So whilst it is a neutral venue, for the purposes of the AST ‘membership’ it’s treated as an away match.

I imagine these tickets will be balloted and not sold as normal therefore AST wouldn’t apply. As an AST holder I agree this is the fairest way - all season ticket holders should have the same chance of getting a ticket.

[Eyrie]

Note to the ASTs - you've attended every match this season that you paid for under the AST.

Meanwhile Hibs season ticket holders haven't been able to attend a single game all season.

So take your chances in the ballot with your fellow Hibs fans please.

[hibee-boys]

Grow up

Why exactly?🤔

[kaimendhibs]

Note to the ASTs - you've attended every match this season that you paid for under the AST.

Meanwhile Hibs season ticket holders haven't been able to attend a single game all season.

So take your chances in the ballot with your fellow Hibs fans please.

AST holders have to be home season ticket holders. Whats your point?

[GreyJammies]

300 fans supporting the team. Good heavens.

Those who attend will get the real experience of being a Hearts away fan.

Make your own party like this soul - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hv26_9wjWhg

[wallpaperman]

Trust me, it includes games at Nuetral venues. However, I dont think its gonna matter on this occasion.

I’m sure it does, though the T&C’s don’t state that.

If there were 1000 tickets available to each team, I would say absolutely give the AST holders first refusal, but the tiny amount available would make some fans aggrieved for one reason or another.

For that reason I would split them between the players and coaches families, then with what is left let other club employees enjoy the day out with their families. If any left after that, let major sponsors of the club have a couple of tickets each if they want them.

Strange times call for strange measures.

[Hibbyradge]

Note to the ASTs - you've attended every match this season that you paid for under the AST.

Meanwhile Hibs season ticket holders haven't been able to attend a single game all season.

So take your chances in the ballot with your fellow Hibs fans please.

If there had been limited tickets for an away league game like Stranraer, I'm pretty sure the AST holders would have been guaranteed a ticket without needing to be in a ballot.

[danhibees1875]

I'd probably be inclined to just give them to AST holders, especially if the numbers pretty much add up.

They sign up to quite the commitment.

The terms are a bit ambiguous, but I'd have expected neutral games to count in what they're saying. Presumably that was the case in previous years for AST?

[Billy Whizz]

[QUOTE=wallpaperman;6562590]I have read it again and again and still not getting the point, so pardon me for being slow, but could you enlighten me to what I am missing?

Trust me, it includes games at Nuetral venues. However, I dont think its gonna matter on this occasion.

I wouldn’t get embroiled, I’d say over 80% of away season ticket holders don’t post on here, you’d have to ask the admins why we don’t have a broader representation of Hibs support on Hibs.net

I’m a private traveller, but loads go on buses every week, the people who run these are fantastic and dedicate their every free moment to watching Hibs

Look forward to seeing how the 300 tickets are allocated tomorrow

[CapitalGreen]

If there had been limited tickets for an away league game like Stranraer, I'm pretty sure the AST holders would have been guaranteed a ticket without needing to be in a ballot.

The T&C’s of our AST state that they are limited to ensure there isn’t a situation where all available tickets are allocated to ASTs.

[B.H.F.C]

If there had been limited tickets for an away league game like Stranraer, I'm pretty sure the AST holders would have been guaranteed a ticket without needing to be in a ballot.

It’s the whole point of the scheme. By signing up to it you basically have a level of priority for tickets, over those who haven’t signed up to it.

With just 300 tickets available I don’t expect it to be used, and even though I signed up myself, I think I’d understand why. That said, if they want to use it on this occasion, that’d be great.

[TelaStella]

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Sooner we bin this absolute helmet the better. Embarrassed he even has a mention of Hibs in his bio.


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[Hibbyradge]

The T&C’s of our AST state that they are limited to ensure there isn’t a situation where all available tickets are allocated to ASTs.

Right. The more I learn, the more the solution evades me.

Didn't The Rangers restrict our tickets to 400 recently? What happened then?

[Skol]

What if these tickets aren’t for sale?

Now there's an idea

[Iain G]

600 tickets in a stadium that holds 51,000, can't even work out how this comedy number was reached?

It's a joke of a decision.

[danhibees1875]

600 tickets in a stadium that holds 51,000, can't even work out how this comedy number was reached?

It's a joke of a decision.

They only applied for a section of the stadium, not the whole stadium.

The section holds 600 when you have to apply 2m social distancing rules.

[CapitalGreen]

It’s the whole point of the scheme. By signing up to it you basically have a level of priority for tickets, over those who haven’t signed up to it.

With just 300 tickets available I don’t expect it to be used, and even though I signed up myself, I think I’d understand why. That said, if they want to use it on this occasion, that’d be great.

The point of the scheme was to provide convenience for those of us that go away every fortnight not for priority. In particular it was set up for bus convenors and other groups to allow them to sort their buses with confidence that they’ll have people on them and groups are seated together.

[Callum_62]

600 tickets in a stadium that holds 51,000, can't even work out how this comedy number was reached?

It's a joke of a decision.We don't have the whole stadium so the point is moot

Be interested to know what we do have though

I'm guessing someone smarter than me could work that out on say 1500 at 1.5m distance as that's what the SFA were going for

Its probaly a section of one of the stands

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[CapitalGreen]

Right. The more I learn, the more the solution evades me.

Didn't The Rangers restrict our tickets to 400 recently? What happened then?

400 exceeds the limit on ASTs that the club will issue.

[hibee-boys]

The 300 better step up, whoever they are, non stop singing/hibee bouncing throughout the game please!

[The Modfather]

600, will feel like the midweek semi final replay against Dunfermline in 2007.

[BoomtownHibees]

The point of the scheme was to provide convenience for those of us that go away every fortnight not for priority. In particular it was set up for bus convenors and other groups to allow them to sort their buses with confidence that they’ll have people on them and groups are seated together.

This is the first I’ve read about it being setup for bus convenors etc

[hibbysam]

600, will feel like the midweek semi final replay against Dunfermline in 2007.

Even more reason for not going 😂 worst night of my life that.

[Eyrie]

AST holders have to be home season ticket holders. Whats your point?

Exactly that.

The ASTs can have the same chance of a final ticket as every other Hibs season ticket holder, because we've all been in the same boat this season of having paid for a season ticket and not attended any games.

[Spike Mandela]

Hibs supporters who work in the NHS would seem the obvious choice this season. Bound to be at least 300 surely.

[B.H.F.C]

The point of the scheme was to provide convenience for those of us that go away every fortnight not for priority. In particular it was set up for bus convenors and other groups to allow them to sort their buses with confidence that they’ll have people on them and groups are seated together.

Na, disagree with that. It was created when the loyalty scheme was disbanded to ensure the small number of people who go to every game were guaranteed a ticket when the high demand fixtures come round. Your guaranteed a ticket when others aren’t. To me, that’s offering an additional level of priority.

[hibbysam]

Hibs supporters who work in the NHS would seem the obvious choice this season. Bound to be at least 300 surely.

I know a boy who does maintenance for NHS, sits in a van doing very little day after day. Not sure I can ever agree that someone like that deserves to jump the queue...

[kaimendhibs]

Exactly that.

The ASTs can have the same chance of a final ticket as every other Hibs season ticket holder, because we've all been in the same boat this season of having paid for a season ticket and not attended any games.
No bother. Bash on and good luck

[kaimendhibs]

Hibs supporters who work in the NHS would seem the obvious choice this season. Bound to be at least 300 surely.

Im still in with a chance then. Missus and Daughter qualify

[Tommy75]

Hibs supporters who work in the NHS would seem the obvious choice this season. Bound to be at least 300 surely.

What about other key workers?

[Baldy Foghorn]

This is the first I’ve read about it being setup for bus convenors etc

That's because it isn't true:greengrin

[Iain G]

We don't have the whole stadium so the point is moot

Be interested to know what we do have though

I'm guessing someone smarter than me could work that out on say 1500 at 1.5m distance as that's what the SFA were going for

Its probaly a section of one of the stands

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Why haven't they applied for more sections? There are going to be 12000 fans in the stadium just in a few weeks after the final.

Even 1000 fans each could be easily accommodated.

[Callum_62]

Why haven't they applied for more sections? There are going to be 12000 fans in the stadium just in a few weeks after the final.

Even 1000 fans each could be easily accommodated.I think most of the stadium isn't ready for use due to Euro prep

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[Ringothedog]

Na, disagree with that. It was created when the loyalty scheme was disbanded to ensure the small number of people who go to every game were guaranteed a ticket when the high demand fixtures come round. Your guaranteed a ticket when others aren’t. To me, that’s offering an additional level of priority.

The people who already went to all the away games were guaranteed tickets under the loyalty scheme. The away season ticket has made no difference. I got a ticket for all away games under the loyalty scheme I get a ticket for all away games under the AST. It rewards people who go home and away by ensuring we get tickets for high demand games

[Hibby70]

I think rightly or wrongly that Hibs will just hold a ballot for all current season ticket holders.

Live on Hibs TV , the draw being done by Irvine Welsh and her from Brookside and David Tanner shouting "client reference number 7062, Jimmy Smith come on down"

[Baldy Foghorn]

No bother. Bash on and good luck

Wasting your time

[Pretty Boy]

I think the last few pages shows that regardless of what is decided some people are going to be upset.

I certainly wouldn't like to be the person tasked with making the decision.

[Spike Mandela]

What about other key workers?

Like myself yes, I understand, but there just seems a synchronicity with our strip sponsor this year that makes sense.

[The Spaceman]

NHS workers should have ticket priority over other key workers over this pandemic. Give the NHS supporting Hibees a big thank you from us all.

[TrinityHibs]

I struggle to comment on this thread as I am so annoyed. I hold the SFA and SNP in very low regard so anything I say will be tainted but how can anybody think that allowing 300 Hibs fans into a 50,000 seater stadium is reasonable or proportionate. You could treat 600 people suffering from Ebola in an extreme social distancing setting and still get more in. Jason Leitch should be using Warburtons hat. Why are we discussing how the tickets might be distributed? We should be asking where is the science to justify this numbers. There were more people indoors at the Crucible than is proposed in Hampden. I guarantee if Govan’S finest were playing they would have got almost 1700 as a starting point.........RANT OVER

[Callum_62]

I struggle to comment on this thread as I am so annoyed. I hold the SFA and SNP in very low regard so anything I say will be tainted but how can anybody think that allowing 300 Hibs fans into a 50,000 seater stadium is reasonable or proportionate. You could treat 600 people suffering from Ebola in an extreme social distancing setting and still get more in. Jason Leitch should be using Warburtons hat. Why are we discussing how the tickets might be distributed? We should be asking where is the science to justify this numbers. There were more people indoors at the Crucible than is proposed in Hampden. I guarantee if Govan’S finest were playing they would have got almost 1700 as a starting point.........RANT OVERWe don't have a 50,000 seater stadium

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[The Baldmans Comb]

Why haven't they applied for more sections? There are going to be 12000 fans in the stadium just in a few weeks after the final.

Even 1000 fans each could be easily accommodated.

Hampden is now under control of UEFA and only one side (South Stand I think) is available for use.

The other three stands are still under preparation for covid control.

Hence Hampden at a guess only has 10,000 seats available not the usual capacity of 50,000.

The SFA applied for 2,000 tickets (maybe 3,000) and as we now know received 600.

[Ringothedog]

Wasting your time

Stevie, there is no system that keeps everyone happy, the loyalty scheme was despised because of the HSL debacle, I thought it was a great system. The AST is now seen as elitist and a level of priority above “normal” season ticket holders and to be honest it probably is. We only get a semblance of priority for big games or games with limited capacity. I never hear anybody complaining about getting tickets for Ross County away on a Wednesday night a couple of weeks before Christmas. If i am lucky enough to get a ticket I will be delighted and I am sure our club will get slated regardless of what they do. Anyway all that matters is that we win this cup on 22/5/2021. Let’s get behind the team and good luck to the lucky people who get a ticket

[Baldy Foghorn]

Stevie, there is no system that keeps everyone happy, the loyalty scheme was despised because of the HSL debacle, I thought it was a great system. The AST is now seen as elitist and a level of priority above “normal” season ticket holders and to be honest it probably is. We only get a semblance of priority for big games or games with limited capacity. I never hear anybody complaining about getting tickets for Ross County away on a Wednesday night a couple of weeks before Christmas. If i am lucky enough to get a ticket I will be delighted and I am sure our club will get slated regardless of what they do. Anyway all that matters is that we win this cup on 22/5/2021. Let’s get behind the team and good luck to the lucky people who get a ticket

Agree B, but this ensures those that go to every game, don't miss out for Ibrox or the Piggery. I don't get why LP was scrapped, but this works for me. We know the faces who are at all the games.

Why should those that go everywhere to follow, not be catered for, never understand folk saying it's our choice to go every week.

[DaveF]

I'm not even sure I'd want the ticket if I got one. Sitting in a vast empty space, no mates, mask on. Nah, I'd rather have some beers and company.

[Stairway 2 7]

Hampden is now under control of UEFA and only one side (South Stand I think) is available for use.

The other three stands are still under preparation for covid control.

Hence Hampden at a guess only has 10,000 seats available not the usual capacity of 50,000.

The SFA applied for 2,000 tickets (maybe 3,000) and as we now know received 600.

But Porto stadium also used for euros will have 12,000 the week after for champions league, Wembley would have too. They can pause changing the signs for 1 day

[SteveHFC]

I'm not even sure I'd want the ticket if I got one. Sitting in a vast empty space, no mates, mask on. Nah, I'd rather have some beers and company.

Think i would give mines up as i would rather sit in the house watching it with the family.

[Callum_62]

But Porto stadium also used for euros will have 12,000 the week after for champions league, Wembley would have too. They can pause changing the signs for 1 dayThat would be uefas call though I guess?

I'm not sure why the whole stadium can't be available - maybe there's more happening at hampden than in Lisbon?

It would be quite interesting to know the detail

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[marinello59]

I think the last few pages shows that regardless of what is decided some people are going to be upset.

I certainly wouldn't like to be the person tasked with making the decision.

Yeap, they are on a hiding to nothing. Covid changed everything, nobody could have foreseen a situation where thousands of season ticket holders who would have been guaranteed the chance of a cup final to be faced with only a few hundred tickets.
No matter how it’s resolved I’ll be chuffed to bits for the lucky few but I’ll be having a brilliant day in the pub with loads of Hibees anyway.

[The Modfather]

The people who already went to all the away games were guaranteed tickets under the loyalty scheme. The away season ticket has made no difference. I got a ticket for all away games under the loyalty scheme I get a ticket for all away games under the AST. It rewards people who go home and away by ensuring we get tickets for high demand games

In general I agree with AST being given priority for in demand games. We’re in unprecedented times though and no one has been at a game this season. I’d maybe go for tranches along the lines of a ballot for AST’s for 50 tickets. A ballot of 225 for all season ticket holders (including AST’s) and a ballot of 25 for everyone on the database as not everyone was lucky enough to be in a position to buy a season ticket.

[Stairway 2 7]

That would be uefas call though I guess?

I'm not sure why the whole stadium can't be available - maybe there's more happening at hampden than in Lisbon?

It would be quite interesting to know the detail

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Uefa agreed for fansat final, it was scot gov that decided the numbers

[The Baldmans Comb]

I struggle to comment on this thread as I am so annoyed. I hold the SFA and SNP in very low regard so anything I say will be tainted but how can anybody think that allowing 300 Hibs fans into a 50,000 seater stadium is reasonable or proportionate. You could treat 600 people suffering from Ebola in an extreme social distancing setting and still get more in. Jason Leitch should be using Warburtons hat. Why are we discussing how the tickets might be distributed? We should be asking where is the science to justify this numbers. There were more people indoors at the Crucible than is proposed in Hampden. I guarantee if Govan’S finest were playing they would have got almost 1700 as a starting point.........RANT OVER

There is only one side of the stadium available as the other three sides are still under preparation for the Euros as there is stringent covid control measures being put in place.

Hence the SFA applied for 2000/maybe 3,000 tickets in an area that can hold 10,000 to 12,000 which feels about right given seat spacing for covid.

There is also serious worries about Glasgow as a whole as testing in certain areas in the south side of Glasgow where Hampden is situated has covid clusters that exceeds the allowed limits in some cases by double the amount and so the city may not move to level 2 next week.

These new covid clusters are caused in part by the Indian variant and its not clear if the AstraZeneca vaccine will protect against this though Pfizer and Moderna do.

[Sir David Gray]

I struggle to comment on this thread as I am so annoyed. I hold the SFA and SNP in very low regard so anything I say will be tainted but how can anybody think that allowing 300 Hibs fans into a 50,000 seater stadium is reasonable or proportionate. You could treat 600 people suffering from Ebola in an extreme social distancing setting and still get more in. Jason Leitch should be using Warburtons hat. Why are we discussing how the tickets might be distributed? We should be asking where is the science to justify this numbers. There were more people indoors at the Crucible than is proposed in Hampden. I guarantee if Govan’S finest were playing they would have got almost 1700 as a starting point.........RANT OVER

We don't have the full use of Hampden, I'm guessing it's maybe one part of a stand we had set aside which would be maybe 9000 seats hence why the SFA were apparently in talks with the Government for up to 3000 fans to attend.

I do agree with the main point you're making though, 600 tickets is pathetic and shows the complete contempt that the authorities have for the two clubs and football fans in general.

[Spike Mandela]

We don't have the full use of Hampden, I'm guessing it's maybe one part of a stand we had set aside which would be maybe 9000 seats hence why the SFA were apparently in talks with the Government for up to 3000 fans to attend.

I do agree with the main point you're making though, 600 tickets is pathetic and shows the complete contempt that the authorities have for the two clubs and football fans in general.

The authorities and government have managed to get 600 people going to the final that weren’t going this time last week.

[hibee-boys]

I’m astonished that any AST holder feels entitled to these tickets before season ticket holders who haven’t signed up for the AST. The vast majority or Hibs fans could never commit to that due to financial/family/work reasons. The only hierarchy of Hibs fans should be the difference between season ticket holders and walk ups for obvious commercial reasons. Once family/work ties ease I’ll probably get the AST but I would never want to be put to the front of the line in situations like this.

[Callum_62]

Uefa agreed for fansat final, it was scot gov that decided the numbersBased on the statements it's obvious we don't have use of the full stadium

At most 1 stand -

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[hibee-boys]

The authorities and government have managed to get 600 people going to the final that weren’t going this time last week.

The authorities had zero intention of any fans being at the game before questions were being asked by fans/media online.

[B.H.F.C]

Stevie, there is no system that keeps everyone happy, the loyalty scheme was despised because of the HSL debacle, I thought it was a great system. The AST is now seen as elitist and a level of priority above “normal” season ticket holders and to be honest it probably is. We only get a semblance of priority for big games or games with limited capacity. I never hear anybody complaining about getting tickets for Ross County away on a Wednesday night a couple of weeks before Christmas. If i am lucky enough to get a ticket I will be delighted and I am sure our club will get slated regardless of what they do. Anyway all that matters is that we win this cup on 22/5/2021. Let’s get behind the team and good luck to the lucky people who get a ticket

I made the comment about the AST being a level of priority above a normal season ticket. I have one and don’t think it’s elitist but I don’t think there can be any argument it gives an additional level of priority. I think it’s good that the club offer that to the relatively small number who are there every week and hope they continue to do so in the future.

[Moulin Yarns]

Has anyone come up with the answer as to why the sfa asked the Scottish Government rather than the Glasgow Council for 'up to' 5,000 fans? All in accordance with the Scottish government guidance????

[Danderhall Hibs]

If we’re to use the AST list and have 350 ASTs how are we deciding which 50 miss out?

[bingo70]

I don’t agree with the decision to allow so few fans in but I’ve come to terms with it.

I personally just think we need to accept no fans are allowed in but the club are allowed a few extra friends and family or sponsors in rather than crowds being allowed in.

My gripe now is more of a general point that Scotland’s route out of this is rubbish with no real intent to get things moving again. I also think they’re out of touch with reality.

Instead of being in a relatively safe outdoor environment people will be congregating in each other’s houses for cup final parties. They can’t be naive anyone to think the vast majority of people are still observing the rules they’ve put in place. They are far too convoluted and for the most part are being ignored, certainly by literally everybody I know that I’ve spoken to about it.

As a big SNP supporter, I’m really disappointed by how the Scottish government are doing with this.

Anyway, **** it, it is what it is and I’m not going to let the ridiculousness of this situation ruin the build up to the cup final for me.

I remember the uefa cup final last year when a group of Sevilla (I think) board member were clearly pished and made a great atmosphere out of it. I just hope the 300 Hibs fans whether that’s employees. Friends and family, NHS staff or AST holders really enjoy themselves and make themselves heard.

[Sir David Gray]

The authorities and government have managed to get 600 people going to the final that weren’t going this time last week.

Considering what's happening at other events, the fact that 12k will be at Hampden 3 weeks after the cup final and considering the SFA asked for up to 3,000 fans to attend, 600 tickets is pathetic in my opinion and like I said shows total contempt to football fans.

I wonder if people will still be sitting here in August if stadiums are at 10% capacity using that same argument of "Aw well at least they're letting 2,000 into Easter Road on Saturday, that's 2,000 more than last season."

It's nonsense, most of the people who are at risk of death and serious illness from Covid-19 are now vaccinated. Add into the mix that it's outdoors where the risk is minimal and there's really no reason why 3,000 people (if that was what the SFA asked for) are not attending the final.

[blackpoolhibs]

Surely the AST holders have seen enough big games, time to let those in who've missed out in the past. :wink:

[H18 SFR]

I wouldn’t be surprised to learn that there is a condition that you can’t sing or shout when at the game. Wouldn’t be surprised in the slightest.

[bingo70]

I wouldn’t be surprised to learn that there is a condition that you can’t sing or shout when at the game. Wouldn’t be surprised in the slightest.

Think that’s a cert.

[Hibbyradge]

The authorities had zero intention of any fans being at the game before questions were being asked by fans/media online.

You're blaming them for something they didn't do.

[Green Badger]

Why don’t they just give the SRU a call tomorrow and get it on at Murrayfield?

Ridiculous that a governing body does not have control of its own stadium for a national cup final, if they had all 4 stands at least there would maybe be a decent number there. Of course hindsight is a great thing, but the phases out of lockdown have been known for a decent amount of time with the prospect of fans being able to attend.

[007]

Could have got a lot more fans in at Pittodrie but that would be too inconvenient for the GFA who'd rather have it on their doorstep.

[CapitalGreen]

I wouldn’t be surprised to learn that there is a condition that you can’t sing or shout when at the game. Wouldn’t be surprised in the slightest.

Doubt it.

[Swedish hibee]

Knew this would happen the minute I seen the 300 number. Watch it with your 6 closest everyone, and may the sun shine on the day.

[Juniper Greens]

Could have got a lot more fans in at Pittodrie but that would be too inconvenient for the GFA who'd rather have it on their doorstep.

The clubs didn't want it in Aberdeen

[The Baldmans Comb]

Why don’t they just give the SRU a call tomorrow and get it on at Murrayfield?

Ridiculous that a governing body does not have control of its own stadium for a national cup final, if they had all 4 stands at least there would maybe be a decent number there. Of course hindsight is a great thing, but the phases out of lockdown have been known for a decent amount of time with the prospect of fans being able to attend.


Murrayfield was asked a few weeks ago but turned it down as there is still some rugby competition going on. No idea what its called "Pro something" or other.

I think one of the pre conditions of getting 4 Euro games is that UEFA calls all the shots.

The Scottish Cup final should have been held 2 weeks ago but was moved forward due to the fixture pile up due to the earlier lockdown that disrupted the earlier rounds.

[matty_f]

If we’re to use the AST list and have 350 ASTs how are we deciding which 50 miss out?

Means tested based on the lowest level of stadium they’ve been to to watch Hibs.

If you’ve seen us on a training camp playing a third tier Spanish outfit with no stadium and just a bit of rope at the side of the pitch, you’re in before someone who can only cite Cowdenbeath as the worst cowp they’ve been to. :greengrin

And quite right, too.

[Sir David Gray]

I wouldn’t be surprised to learn that there is a condition that you can’t sing or shout when at the game. Wouldn’t be surprised in the slightest.

I don't think there will be an outright ban on such things but I think it will be discouraged.

[TrinityHibs]

There is only one side of the stadium available as the other three sides are still under preparation for the Euros as there is stringent covid control measures being put in place.

Hence the SFA applied for 2000/maybe 3,000 tickets in an area that can hold 10,000 to 12,000 which feels about right given seat spacing for covid.

There is also serious worries about Glasgow as a whole as testing in certain areas in the south side of Glasgow where Hampden is situated has covid clusters that exceeds the allowed limits in some cases by double the amount and so the city may not move to level 2 next week.

These new covid clusters are caused in part by the Indian variant and its not clear if the AstraZeneca vaccine will protect against this though Pfizer and Moderna do.

I am sorry you cannot justify 300 tickets for Hibs in an area that can take 12,000.

If Glasgow is a death zone go to Murrayfield with a capacity of 60,000. Using your/SFA logic that would have given Hibs 1500 tickets or if a reasonable 10% applied 3,000.

Was there a huge Indian variant spike after they had a full house indoors at the Crucible?

Your defence, of what is an off the scale level of incompetence and disregard for football supporters, gives the SFA and Scottish Government a level of credibility that they do not deserve.

I re-state my view that if Rangers or Celtic were playing there would have been more than 600 there and in more than one stand.

[Ringothedog]

Means tested based on the lowest level of stadium they’ve been to to watch Hibs.

If you’ve seen us on a training camp playing a third tier Spanish outfit with no stadium and just a bit of rope at the side of the pitch, you’re in before someone who can only cite Cowdenbeath as the worst cowp they’ve been to. :greengrin

And quite right, too.

😂
the worst ground I have been to is in Gorgie, ****hole of a place. Do I get a ticket?

[AliboyFC]

Doubt it.

Probably will have that rule. The scottish government are pathetic and I'm pretty sure in England there letting 10000 fans in some venues. I mean 600 fans is better than no fans but it's still I bit *****.

[Callum_62]

Probably will have that rule. The scottish government are pathetic and I'm pretty sure in England there letting 10000 fans in some venues. I mean 600 fans is better than no fans but it's still I bit *****.Are they letting in 10k fans in a 10k stadium?

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[Andy74]

I imagine these tickets will be balloted and not sold as normal therefore AST wouldn’t apply. As an AST holder I agree this is the fairest way - all season ticket holders should have the same chance of getting a ticket.

Yeah, the T&Cs say committed to buy tickets. It doesn’t say anywhere guaranteed to be made available to them.

[Iain G]

Murrayfield was asked a few weeks ago but turned it down as there is still some rugby competition going on. No idea what its called "Pro something" or other.

I think one of the pre conditions of getting 4 Euro games is that UEFA calls all the shots.

The Scottish Cup final should have been held 2 weeks ago but was moved forward due to the fixture pile up due to the earlier lockdown that disrupted the earlier rounds.

Then why not Parkhead or Ibrox?

[AliboyFC]

Are they letting in 10k fans in a 10k stadium?

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Nah I think it will be social distanced.

[Jay]

NHS workers should have ticket priority over other key workers over this pandemic. Give the NHS supporting Hibees a big thank you from us all.

I've got friends who work for the NHS who were office workers and have been working from home, I have others who only had to add PPE into their routine, I'm technically employed by the nhs but havent done a shift in 2 years due to ill health. The vast majority of nhs workers werent frontline with breathing apparatus. I'm all for thanking everybody who did their bit no matter how big or small but giving them all of the tickets for a cup final isnt the right way.

[SteveHFC]

1000 fans are being let into the Irish Cup final next weekend.

[Sir David Gray]

1000 fans are being let into the Irish Cup final next weekend.

Around 30% of that stadium's capacity.

Meanwhile we get roughly 5-6% of the available space at Hampden.

[Andy74]

Hibs supporters who work in the NHS would seem the obvious choice this season. Bound to be at least 300 surely.

My wife works in the NHS. Easiest year and a half she’s ever had.

Nah, with such a small number the fan thing is a write off. Players and staff is the obvious one.

[SteveHFC]

https://bit.ly/3ya51LF

[bingo70]

https://bit.ly/3ya51LF

Should have tried to put a bit pressure on when politicians were looking for votes.

[Callum_62]

Around 30% of that stadium's capacity.

Meanwhile we get roughly 5-6% of the available space at Hampden.I'm interested to know what is the available space

I've read sections were released but I've not read anywhere we were given the whole stand - they should justify the decision

Would asking for 2k at 1.5m distance indicate we had the whole stand?

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[660]

SFA trying to pin it on the government lol. Maybe start thinking about it earlier than 2 weeks before the game and maybe consider the Scottish cup final when planning for the euros and there would be more availability.

[Danderhall Hibs]

SFA trying to pin it on the government lol. Maybe start thinking about it earlier than 2 weeks before the game and maybe consider the Scottish cup final when planning for the euros and there would be more availability.

I agree with most of this - should definitely have been looking at options before this week.

The only thing is the final was supposed to have been last weekend but has been delayed by 2 weeks due for the lower league shutdown. If it had been okayed on 8/5 as planned then it would’ve been under SFA control. The problem would’ve then been that the rules wouldn’t have allowed any fans in.

[660]

I agree with most of this - should definitely have been looking at options before this week.

The only thing is the final was supposed to have been last weekend but has been delayed by 2 weeks due for the lower league shutdown. If it had been okayed on 8/5 as planned then it would’ve been under SFA control. The problem would’ve then been that the rules wouldn’t have allowed any fans in.

Yeah, I’m not sure when the date was finalised but it wasn’t last weekend.

It seems to me like the govt have said: “Fans are allowed but with 2m social distancing”. The fact that leads to only 600 fans is because the SFA don’t have the ability to use the entire stadium, due to their own piss poor planning and lack of foresight when surrendering control of the stadium to UEFA.

[The Baldmans Comb]

I am sorry you cannot justify 300 tickets for Hibs in an area that can take 12,000.

If Glasgow is a death zone go to Murrayfield with a capacity of 60,000. Using your/SFA logic that would have given Hibs 1500 tickets or if a reasonable 10% applied 3,000.

Was there a huge Indian variant spike after they had a full house indoors at the Crucible?

Your defence, of what is an off the scale level of incompetence and disregard for football supporters, gives the SFA and Scottish Government a level of credibility that they do not deserve.

I re-state my view that if Rangers or Celtic were playing there would have been more than 600 there and in more than one stand.

Glasgow isn't a 'death zone' so I have no idea why you think that but it is a city that might not be moving to level 2 next week due to the rise in covid cases. Its being described as "very fragile".

Unfortunately Murrayfield isn't an option as the rugby authorities were already approached a few weeks along with Celtic and Rangers but there is still some rugby competition taking place as well as pitch relaying and stadium maintenance at the football clubs so no other major stadium is available. :boo hoo:

It's very unlikely there will be a huge 'Indian Spike' in Sheffield as the English authorities seemed to structure the snooker event in Sheffield exceptionally well.

There were very extensive and stringent guidelines in place throughout the tournament and then on the final day everyone had to Covid 19 test on arrival and then again 5 days afterwards while no-one under 18 was allowed nor were any vulnerable adults with any underlying health conditions allowed to attend.

The chances therefore of any Covid cases escaping this net are therefore very unlikely and is a real credit to Public Health England and the snooker authorities.:applause: Obviously nothing like this level of stringency will be in place for football events hence the comparison is rather meaningless.

The snooker final in England was also held on the 3rd of May when the Indian variant was still regarded as in its infancy and wasn't regarded as the threat as it is now. The English figures are much more mature than the Scottish figures given the variant reached England first and only today Public Health England recorded 1,300 cases which is double that of just 6 days ago hence you can see the exponential growth that may be involved.

England announced today through Boris Johnson that they are now 'very anxious' about this variant and his government 'are ruling nothing out' to tackle out this including re-inposing local lockdowns. What has spooked England are reports from India that the AstraZenca vaccine might not work against this variant and they are awaiting further data and of course England and Scotland have put so many of their eggs in the AstraZenca vaccine boat.

It will be all these factors that the Scottish government will be taking into account as well as there own figures which were published this week which showed Glasgow is now at 58 cases per 100,000 compared to Scotland at 25 cases per 100,000 . Even more worrying is that the South side of Glasgow where Hampden is situated is showing 74 cases per 100,000 which is 3 times higher than the national average and the firm suspicion is that its the Indian variant that is causing this spike.

600 fans is obviously not to your liking but there is strong science behind all decisions made in England and Scotland with of course political and economic judgements influencing every call but principally these decisions are recommended by highly professional scientists and ran through the computer model by the Covid epidemiologists and any politician in England or Scotland aren't going to ask for a rerun based on the name of a football team taking part. After all there is a huge public enquiry on the way.:wink:

[Sir David Gray]

I'm interested to know what is the available space

I've read sections were released but I've not read anywhere we were given the whole stand - they should justify the decision

Would asking for 2k at 1.5m distance indicate we had the whole stand?

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Around 10-12,000 was the number I heard quoted, which would then explain why the SFA would have been asking for up to 3,000 tickets - including the space in between the two sets of fans for segregation it would have been roughly half the available space.

No matter what way this is dressed up it's an absolute nonsense of a decision and a slap in the face to football fans.

No-one was expecting 50,000 people to turn up for the final, hardly anyone would even have expected the 12,000 that's allowed in for the Euros 3 weeks later to turn up for the final but 600 is just absolutely pathetic.

[wookie70]

Around 10-12,000 was the number I heard quoted, which would then explain why the SFA would have been asking for up to 3,000 tickets - including the space in between the two sets of fans for segregation it would have been roughly half the available space.

No matter what way this is dressed up it's an absolute nonsense of a decision and a slap in the face to football fans.

No-one was expecting 50,000 people to turn up for the final, hardly anyone would even have expected the 12,000 that's allowed in for the Euros 3 weeks later to turn up for the final but 600 is just absolutely pathetic.

There is every likelihood there will be more cases in three weeks than when the Cup Final is. If they OK'd that weeks in advance then I don't see it as unreasonable that 12K is authorised(notwithstanding preparations for the Euros) for a Cup Final. If the SFA had done their job then it could have been possible but they lost interest when it wasn't going to be an "old" Firm affair. The SFA have done a huge disservice to the oldest trophy in World Football and the government haven't helped either with rules that no longer make sense.

[Peevemor]

Glasgow isn't a 'death zone' so I have no idea why you think that but unfortunately Murrayfield isn't an option as the rugby authorities were already approached a few weeks along with Celtic and Rangers but there is still some rugby competition taking place as well as pitch relaying and stadium maintenance and pitch relaying at the football clubs so no other major stadium is available. :boo hoo:

It's very unlikely there will be a huge 'Indian Spike' in Sheffield as the English authorities seemed to structure the snooker event in Sheffield exceptionally well as there were very extensive and stringent guidelines in place throughout the tournament and then on the final day everyone had to Covid 19 test on arrival and then again 5 days afterwards while no-one under 18 was allowed nor were any vulnerable adults with any underlying health conditions allowed to attend.

The chances therefore of any Covid cases escaping this net are therefore very unlikely and is a real credit to Public Health England and the snooker authorities.:applause: Obviously nothing like this level of stringency will be in place for football events hence the comparison is rather meaningless.

The snooker final in England was also held on the 3rd of May when the Indian variant was still regarded as in its infancy and wasn't regarded as the threat as it is now. The English figures are much more mature than the Scottish figures given the variant reached England first and only today Public Health England recorded 1,300 cases which is double that of just 6 days ago hence you can see the exponential growth that may be involved.

England announced today through Boris Johnson that they are now 'very anxious' about this variant and his government 'are ruling nothing out' to tackle out this including re-inposing local lockdowns. What has spooked England are reports from India that the AstraZenca vaccine might not work against this variant and they are awaiting further data and of course England and Scotland have put so many of their eggs in the AstraZenca vaccine boat.

It will be all these factors that the Scottish government will be taking into account as well as there own figures which were published this week which showed Glasgow is now at 58 cases per 100,000 compared to Scotland at 25 cases per 100,000 . Even more worrying is that the South side of Glasgow where Hampden is situated is showing 74 cases per 100,000 which is 3 times higher than the national average and the firm suspicion is that its the Indian variant that is causing this spike.


600 fans is obviously not to your liking but there is strong science behind all decisions made in England and Scotland with of course political and economic judgements influencing every call but principally these decisions are recommended by highly professional scientists and ran through the computer model by the Covid epidemiologists and any politician in England or Scotland aren't going to ask for a rerun based on the name of a football team taking part. After all there is a huge public enquiry on the way.:wink:

Great post.

[hibbysam]

Glasgow isn't a 'death zone' so I have no idea why you think that but it is a city that might not be moving to level 2 next week due to the rise in covid cases. Its being described as "very fragile".

Unfortunately Murrayfield isn't an option as the rugby authorities were already approached a few weeks along with Celtic and Rangers but there is still some rugby competition taking place as well as pitch relaying and stadium maintenance at the football clubs so no other major stadium is available. :boo hoo:

It's very unlikely there will be a huge 'Indian Spike' in Sheffield as the English authorities seemed to structure the snooker event in Sheffield exceptionally well.

There were very extensive and stringent guidelines in place throughout the tournament and then on the final day everyone had to Covid 19 test on arrival and then again 5 days afterwards while no-one under 18 was allowed nor were any vulnerable adults with any underlying health conditions allowed to attend.

The chances therefore of any Covid cases escaping this net are therefore very unlikely and is a real credit to Public Health England and the snooker authorities.:applause: Obviously nothing like this level of stringency will be in place for football events hence the comparison is rather meaningless.

The snooker final in England was also held on the 3rd of May when the Indian variant was still regarded as in its infancy and wasn't regarded as the threat as it is now. The English figures are much more mature than the Scottish figures given the variant reached England first and only today Public Health England recorded 1,300 cases which is double that of just 6 days ago hence you can see the exponential growth that may be involved.

England announced today through Boris Johnson that they are now 'very anxious' about this variant and his government 'are ruling nothing out' to tackle out this including re-inposing local lockdowns. What has spooked England are reports from India that the AstraZenca vaccine might not work against this variant and they are awaiting further data and of course England and Scotland have put so many of their eggs in the AstraZenca vaccine boat.

It will be all these factors that the Scottish government will be taking into account as well as there own figures which were published this week which showed Glasgow is now at 58 cases per 100,000 compared to Scotland at 25 cases per 100,000 . Even more worrying is that the South side of Glasgow where Hampden is situated is showing 74 cases per 100,000 which is 3 times higher than the national average and the firm suspicion is that its the Indian variant that is causing this spike.

600 fans is obviously not to your liking but there is strong science behind all decisions made in England and Scotland with of course political and economic judgements influencing every call but principally these decisions are recommended by highly professional scientists and ran through the computer model by the Covid epidemiologists and any politician in England or Scotland aren't going to ask for a rerun based on the name of a football team taking part. After all there is a huge public enquiry on the way.:wink:

The rise in cases is due to places and industries opening up, people being allowed to see others, people travelling around the country, people going back to work, exactly what Leitch said would happen. We’ve had Kent, South African, Brazilian variants and keep getting threatened with how bad they are. The fact is we now have most of the country vaccinated, the experts tell us cases rising wouldn't be an issue now due to that, then as soon as it happens runs the scaremongering headlines. Whole election campaign complete with very little mention of a deadly variant, now that’s done we’re hearing about it every day.

[MunsterHibee]

The rise in cases is due to places and industries opening up, people being allowed to see others, people travelling around the country, people going back to work, exactly what Leitch said would happen. We’ve had Kent, South African, Brazilian variants and keep getting threatened with how bad they are. The fact is we now have most of the country vaccinated, the experts tell us cases rising wouldn't be an issue now due to that, then as soon as it happens runs the scaremongering headlines. Whole election campaign complete with very little mention of a deadly variant, now that’s done we’re hearing about it every day.Spot on. And another fact is the virus is always going to be here and there's always going to be cases. The vaccine protects prevents serious disease and deaths from the virus. People can still get Covid but won't be a serious virus. We need to move on now after nearly a year and a half of this and start to learn to live with Covid. Just like we live with other viruses and diseases. Life has to go back to normality in the coming months. The scaremongering with cases is embarrassing tbh as it's fairly straight forward that there's always going to be cases year in year out because there's no cure for the virus. The vaccine is the best protection we have so get the programme moving and get people done and let us return to normal. Sick of hearing about there's hope etc then another new variant pops up. Next it will be the Gorgie Variant.

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[Callum_62]

The rise in cases is due to places and industries opening up, people being allowed to see others, people travelling around the country, people going back to work, exactly what Leitch said would happen. We’ve had Kent, South African, Brazilian variants and keep getting threatened with how bad they are. The fact is we now have most of the country vaccinated, the experts tell us cases rising wouldn't be an issue now due to that, then as soon as it happens runs the scaremongering headlines. Whole election campaign complete with very little mention of a deadly variant, now that’s done we’re hearing about it every day.Who ran the scaremongering headline?

And, arnt things going back to normal?

I know form Monday I can do things that are far more normal and in about 3 weeks time we should have 12k inside hampden

We arnt getting what we wanted on 22nd May but it hardly means things arnt heading towards normal

Re the varients - bear in mind this was a brand new virus in January last year - ofcourse certain types of mutations will be worry - what if one of the mutations start killing people in a much younger age group - ignoring the mutations would be total folly

I'm not sure it's the scientific community or the government who's scaremongering though

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[hibbysam]

Who ran the scaremongering headline?

And, arnt things going back to normal?

I know form Monday I can do things that are far more normal and in about 3 weeks time we should have 12k inside hampden

We arnt getting what we wanted on 22nd May but it hardly means things arnt heading towards normal

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Not in Moray they aren’t, talk of it not being the case in Glasgow, all because of cases. Cases that were told don’t really matter due to the vaccine, it’s only a matter of time before they threaten and scaremonger the rest of us with it too.

The scaremongering comes from the top, like I say not a peep during election campaign about variants, yet here we are less than a week after the result and it’s all we’ve heard about.

[K-Zazu]

Wait till the winter comes again more local lockdowns are on the way

[Callum_62]

Not in Moray they aren’t, talk of it not being the case in Glasgow, all because of cases. Cases that were told don’t really matter due to the vaccine, it’s only a matter of time before they threaten and scaremonger the rest of us with it too.

The scaremongering comes from the top, like I say not a peep during election campaign about variants, yet here we are less than a week after the result and it’s all we’ve heard about.Have we all been offered the vaccine?

Arnt we all due to be vaccinated by - June? July?

So 4-8 weeks or so?

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[Keith_M]

600 is an utterly pathetic number.

They might as well not have bothered letting anybody in.

[Callum_62]

600 is an utterly pathetic number.

They might as well not have bothered letting anybody in.It's only pathetic if we know what we were working with

We obviously don't have the whole stadium

Do we gave a whole stand? What percentage of what we are working with are we using?

If the SFA were told you need 2m distance - why does that only give is 600 fans?

Even if they were told 1.5m its still only allowed them 1500-2000 fans

Why is so much of the stadium unusable/unreleased? There's only 1 body in charge of that

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[Sir David Gray]

It's only pathetic if we know what we were working with

We obviously don't have the whole stadium

Do we gave a whole stand? What percentage of what we are working with are we using?

If the SFA were told you need 2m distance - why does that only give is 600 fans?

Even if they were told 1.5m its still only allowed them 1500-2000 fans

Why is so much of the stadium unusable/unreleased? There's only 1 body in charge of that

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The SFA were working on an agreement to allow up to 3,000 fans to attend the final - it's not great for a cup final but not being able to get in much more than that was largely down to UEFA being in control of the stadium.

However getting the maximum number of people possible into Hampden for the cup final would have been a real boost to everyone and given people a lot of hope for next season.

To end up with just 20% of an already massively reduced number of fans is pathetic.

[flash]

Wait till the winter comes again more local lockdowns are on the way

No they aren't. We will all be vaccinated by autumn.

[Onion]

The rise in cases is due to places and industries opening up, people being allowed to see others, people travelling around the country, people going back to work, exactly what Leitch said would happen. We’ve had Kent, South African, Brazilian variants and keep getting threatened with how bad they are. The fact is we now have most of the country vaccinated, the experts tell us cases rising wouldn't be an issue now due to that, then as soon as it happens runs the scaremongering headlines. Whole election campaign complete with very little mention of a deadly variant, now that’s done we’re hearing about it every day.

Agreed. Got to love Boris sharing his feelings of being "very anxious" with the population, clearly taking a lead from Churchill's "we're doomed" speech during the Battle of Britain. The scaremongering by the Government is designed to manipulate and confuse. After 5 months of lockdown and 35% of the population double-vaxed, the Government's job is to deal with the problem in front of them and stop whinging. They need to have a strategy and tactics for managing outbreaks quickly and effectively, without bothering 66 million people. Sadly, we have the worst PM and a flapping UK Government at the worst of times.

[blackpoolhibs]

It's almost as if by keeping the borders open, it has let this new variant in. :rolleyes:

Of course we need to act on new variants, but ffs why cant we be pro active rather than reactive?

600 is just bollox, they will be taken up by the players and staff, and rightly so, but we could be so much better at handling this virus. :rolleyes:

[bingo70]

No they aren't. We will all be vaccinated by autumn.

Wont make any difference though going by the logic used by many just now.

We won’t know how the vaccines will stand up against new variants.

[Moulin Yarns]

Agreed. Got to love Boris sharing his feelings of being "very anxious" with the population, clearly taking a lead from Churchill's "we're doomed" speech during the Battle of Britain. The scaremongering by the Government is designed to manipulate and confuse. After 5 months of lockdown and 35% of the population double-vaxed, the Government's job is to deal with the problem in front of them and stop whinging. They need to have a strategy and tactics for managing outbreaks quickly and effectively, without bothering 66 million people. Sadly, we have the worst PM and a flapping UK Government at the worst of times.

This morning additional vaccine is being rushed to Bolton to tackle a spike of the Indian variant. This looks to be a strategy for managing outbreaks.

[nonshinyfinish]

It's only pathetic if we know what we were working with

We obviously don't have the whole stadium

Do we gave a whole stand? What percentage of what we are working with are we using?

If the SFA were told you need 2m distance - why does that only give is 600 fans?

Even if they were told 1.5m its still only allowed them 1500-2000 fans

Why is so much of the stadium unusable/unreleased? There's only 1 body in charge of that

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I think there are two bodies involved in that – UEFA and the SFA.

It's hard to know whether it's mainly down to UEFA being awkward or the SFA being incompetent (or quite possibly both). Ultimately it doesn't seem like a massive leap that to say the SFA could have seen this problem coming when they agreed that UEFA could do whatever they liked with Hampden for a month ahead of the first Euro game. That said, given that Wembley is in a similar situation but doesn't appear to have the 'three-quarters closed' problem, it's obviously possible for UEFA to get their preparations done and still allow fans in every stand for a one-off game during that period. Again, whether this is because UEFA are being more awkward with Hampden or because the English FA planned for and got assurances for the FA up final in advance while the SFA failed to do so, we'll probably never know.

[Caversham Green]

On the AST debate, in normal circumstances all season ticket holders would have had the chance to buy at least one ticket for the final. There will also be some who didn't sign up to the AST scheme but who would still go to most away games. For those reasons I don't think it would be fair to prioritise AST holders and if there was a ballot all Season ticket holders who want a ticket (applications should be invited before the ballot takes place) should be included IMO.

What I would like to see is Hibs and St Johnstone getting together and either telling the SFA/SG/UEFA to ram their 600 tickets or alternatively announcing that all 600 will be handed to the NHS.

BTW, what exactly are they doing to Hampden that more of it can't be opened up for a couple of hours, three weeks before anything else takes place? This is Scottish football's showpiece game and very little effort seems to have gone into giving it a decent audience.

[Onion]

This morning additional vaccine is being rushed to Bolton to tackle a spike of the Indian variant. This looks to be a strategy for managing outbreaks.

That's not a strategy, it's a reactive tactic devised last night. Much of what we're seeing is being made up on the hoof.

[blackpoolhibs]

That's not a strategy, it's a reactive tactic devised last night. Much of what we're seeing is being made up on the hoof.
:agree:

[flash]

Wont make any difference though going by the logic used by many just now.

We won’t know how the vaccines will stand up against new variants.

I think local lockdowns might be likely in the next few months but i can't imagine another national lockdown. Who knows though?

[Crunchie]

You’ve got to laugh.
At the SG the decision or both? But you're right, if you didn't laugh you'd cry.

[Billy Whizz]

Portugal not letting in holiday makers until 30th May, champions league final in Porto could be in doubt

[Killiehibbie]

Portugal not letting in holiday makers until 30th May, champions league final in Porto could be in doubt





If it had to be moved to allow spectators to attend the obvious country must be England

[CockneyRebel]

That's not a strategy, it's a reactive tactic devised last night. Much of what we're seeing is being made up on the hoof.



They don't have Mystic Meg on the advisory panel. Plans to attack/isolate spiking areas has been around for a while now (maybe Glasgow next?) so it's not a knee jerk reaction. Predicting where variants will strike is impossible but if you have a better plan why not share it?

[nonshinyfinish]

If it had to be moved to allow spectators to attend the obvious country must be England

Yep, but England was already the obvious place before they moved it to Portugal, so it's anybody's guess what they'll do.

[Billy Whizz]

If it had to be moved to allow spectators to attend the obvious country must be England

As it stands seemingly the fans have to fly in and out on the same day, and kept in a secure area
An expensive day out

[number9dream]

I'm interested to know what is the available space

I've read sections were released but I've not read anywhere we were given the whole stand - they should justify the decision

Would asking for 2k at 1.5m distance indicate we had the whole stand?

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This has not been explained very well, has it?
Was the SFA 2000 fans proposal just for the main stand for example. If so, why? Uefa are not reconfiguring the whole stadium are they, it's just a case of putting up some credit banners etc.
Surely it's not going to be 300 fans spread out at the ends behind the goals.

[nonshinyfinish]

Surely it's not going to be 300 fans spread out at the ends behind the goals.

Imagine being one of the absurdly small number lucky enough to get a ticket and ending up low down behind the goal, one of the worst views in Scottish football. :hilarious

[hibbyfraelibby]

No they aren't. We will all be vaccinated by autumn.

....and by all accounts needing a covid booster jag along with the usual Flu one.

Once you start vaccinating you need ti keep topping up

[Ringothedog]

Imagine being one of the absurdly small number lucky enough to get a ticket and ending up low down behind the goal, one of the worst views in Scottish football. :hilarious

I would accept that option if I was lucky enough to be there

[Keith_M]

That's not a strategy, it's a reactive tactic devised last night. Much of what we're seeing is being made up on the hoof.


:agree:


Add in the fact that there will be 12,000 people at Hampden in four weeks time, regardless of case numbers, and it's quite obvious that none of the logic stands up to being 'guided by the science'.


UEFA tried to blackmail the German Football Association into allowing fans into the Allianz Arena but the Germans told them to ram it... while here in Scotland the authorities gave in. At no point since that decision being taken, all the way through the various Covid waves, has anyone questioned those numbers or given any hint that they will be cut in the event of a new wave/variant of Covid.

I'm sure we would all have been a bit more understanding if there had been consistency shown in any of this but neither the SFA nor the SG have come out of this with their integrity intact.

[matty_f]

Season ticket ballot after 60 given to players and staff.

[nonshinyfinish]

I would accept that option if I was lucky enough to be there

Of course. It's where I was in 2016 and it's a spectacular understatement to say that I was happy to be there. I'm just tickled by the absurdity of sitting there staring at an entirely empty north stand.

[SteveHFC]

Season ticket ballot after 60 given to players and staff.

A proportion of these will be for hospitality season ticket members, and these will also be distributed by ballot.

[scoopyboy]

As it stands seemingly the fans have to fly in and out on the same day, and kept in a secure area
An expensive day out

I done it to Athens in 2001 for the rearranged match, small price to pay.

[Pretty Boy]

I wonder how many 'a proportion' is?

I'm not really bothered but it seems unnecessarily vague, especially when they have give an exact number on tickets being allocated to players, and is only going to lead to speculation that further fuels the bickering.

[Moulin Yarns]

🟢 Club Statement

We will allocate 60 Scottish Cup Final tickets to players and staff. The remaining 240 will be offered to 2020-21 season ticket holders via ballot, with a proportion of these offered to hospitality season ticket members also via ballot.

https://t.co/D7TyvyMLm2

Those eligible to apply will receive more information via email and we will post details on our website. The ballot process will open on Monday 17 May. We know many fans will feel disappointed, but hope our supporters understand the situation.

[CL0762]

Season ticket ballot after 60 given to players and staff.

Best decision IMO. The club are almost in a no win situation here.

[matty_f]

Best decision IMO. The club are almost in a no win situation here.

Agreed

[Ozyhibby]

I wonder how many 'a proportion' is?

I'm not really bothered but it seems unnecessarily vague, especially when they have give an exact number on tickets being allocated to players, and is only going to lead to speculation that further fuels the bickering.

The wording seems to indicate that the club are embarrassed by the amount that are going to corporate. Ordinary season ticket holders getting shafted again.


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[Scouse Hibee]

🟢 Club Statement

We will allocate 60 Scottish Cup Final tickets to players and staff. The remaining 240 will be offered to 2020-21 season ticket holders via ballot, with a proportion of these offered to hospitality season ticket members also via ballot.

https://t.co/D7TyvyMLm2

Those eligible to apply will receive more information via email and we will post details on our website. The ballot process will open on Monday 17 May. We know many fans will feel disappointed, but hope our supporters understand the situation.

Seems fair enough to me.

[B.H.F.C]

I wonder how many 'a proportion' is?

I'm not really bothered but it seems unnecessarily vague, especially when they have give an exact number on tickets being allocated to players, and is only going to lead to speculation that further fuels the bickering.

They should be being clear about that, IMO.

[Sir David Gray]

I wonder if there will be a separate ballot for the wheelchair section.

[matty_f]

The wording seems to indicate that the club are embarrassed by the amount that are going to corporate. Ordinary season ticket holders getting shafted again.


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That’s quite a jump :faf:

[nonshinyfinish]

Still unclear what happens if a child's ST is drawn.

Only two realistic options I can think of:

- Don't assign tickets to kids at all (i.e. if a child's ST is drawn then it's discarded and another is drawn instead – seems harsh)
- If a child's ST is drawn, an adult from their group is assigned a ticket as well

No doubt some will see the second option as unfair since a group is getting two tickets in one go, but to me it seems a lot less unfair than just saying 'no kids at all get to go'.

Really difficult situation for Hibs.

[Ringothedog]

I done it to Athens in 2001 for the rearranged match, small price to pay.

That was a fun game, we made our own way there. It was “fun” after the game

[CapitalGreen]

5 pairs available in the corporate ballot is what I was told by someone who asked.

[CL0762]

Still unclear what happens if a child's ST is drawn.

Only two realistic options I can think of:

- Don't assign tickets to kids at all (i.e. if a child's ST is drawn then it's discarded and another is drawn instead – seems harsh)
- If a child's ST is drawn, an adult from their group is assigned a ticket as well

No doubt some will see the second option as unfair since a group is getting two tickets in one go, but to me it seems a lot less unfair than just saying 'no kids at all get to go'.

Really difficult situation for Hibs.

From my interpretation, it won’t be a free for all. You’ll be invited to apply for the ballot if you want to go, then when all interest has been registered the ballot will take place? Could be way off though.

[Scouse Hibee]

Still unclear what happens if a child's ST is drawn.

Only two realistic options I can think of:

- Don't assign tickets to kids at all (i.e. if a child's ST is drawn then it's discarded and another is drawn instead – seems harsh)
- If a child's ST is drawn, an adult from their group is assigned a ticket as well

No doubt some will see the second option as unfair since a group is getting two tickets in one go, but to me it seems a lot less unfair than just saying 'no kids at all get to go'.

Really difficult situation for Hibs.

The child may not be eligible as they have said they will inform those eligible.

[Loopz]

I wonder how many 'a proportion' is?

I'm not really bothered but it seems unnecessarily vague, especially when they have give an exact number on tickets being allocated to players, and is only going to lead to speculation that further fuels the bickering.

A proportion of how many corporate STH v all STH?

[nonshinyfinish]

From my interpretation, it won’t be a free for all. You’ll be invited to apply for the ballot if you want to go, then when all interest has been registered the ballot will take place? Could be way off though.

Yeah but then you still have exactly the same problem, assuming there are kids registered for the ballot.

[Bertie's XI]

If there is a separate ballot for a proportion of hospitality why is there not also a separate ballot for a proportion of tickets to go to away season ticket holders?

[Baldy Foghorn]

If there is a separate ballot for a proportion of hospitality why is there not also a separate ballot for a proportion of tickets to go to away season ticket holders?

We have the scenario of someone who never travels to away games being picked out in the ballot. Laughable

[nonshinyfinish]

5 pairs available in the corporate ballot is what I was told by someone who asked.

If that's correct then the reason Hibs didn't initially specify it may be to avoid pissing off hospitality STs with a low number, rather than pissing off everyone else with a high number.

[CL0762]

Yeah but then you still have exactly the same problem, assuming there are kids registered for the ballot.

I mean I think we will apply to the ballot. So if I want to have a chance to go, I’ll put my name forward. If you don’t then you won’t put your name forward if that makes sense?

[Baldy Foghorn]

I mean I think we will apply to the ballot. So if I want to have a chance to go, I’ll put my name forward. If you don’t then you won’t put your name forward if that makes sense?

That is what the Club said, that you have to apply to be in the ballot

[matty_f]

We have the scenario of someone who never travels to away games being picked out in the ballot. Laughable

It’s not laughable, it’s a crap situation with almost no way of keeping everyone happy.

A ballot of AST holders could pull out folk who got one first time this season and have never been to an away game, or someone who’s been to away games for a season ahead of someone who’s never missed a game in their life.

No fans are more special than others, I think a small number for hospitality, a good proportion for players and staff, and ballot for the season ticket holders is reasonable. i think this is pretty much the fairest way to do it.

[flash]

We have the scenario of someone who never travels to away games being picked out in the ballot. Laughable

Hope it's me.

[Pretty Boy]

That’s quite a jump :faf:

That's the problem I alluded to. With no disrespect intended to Ozy all kinds of rumours will do the rounds now.

Just come out and say 5% or 10% are going to hospitality. That's 12 or 24 tickets. People might not be happy but they know the facts. As it is we will now hear that someone has a cousin who went out on a date with a guy who works in an office in Leith and he wa son his lunch when he overheard the wife of someone who has a hospitality ST say they were definitely getting 99% of the available tickets. That will then become a fact.

[Hibs Class]

We have the scenario of someone who never travels to away games being picked out in the ballot. Laughable

We have the scenario of all season ticketholders being treated the same and having equal chance in the ballot. Fair.

[matty_f]

If that's correct then it the reason Hibs didn't initially specify it may be to avoid pissing off hospitality STs with a low number, rather than pissing off everyone else with a high number.

:agree:

[Kaff]

Still unclear what happens if a child's ST is drawn.

Only two realistic options I can think of:

- Don't assign tickets to kids at all (i.e. if a child's ST is drawn then it's discarded and another is drawn instead – seems harsh)
- If a child's ST is drawn, an adult from their group is assigned a ticket as well

No doubt some will see the second option as unfair since a group is getting two tickets in one go, but to me it seems a lot less unfair than just saying 'no kids at all get to go'.

Really difficult situation for Hibs.

I've a feeling the further information to come out will be that you apply for a place in the ballot, it's non transferable and you state that you are able and willing to attend the game. Which would be fair.
I'd imagine over 18s only.

[Mikey]

So what are the chances of your name coming out if you're a regular season ticket holder? About 1 in 50 maybe?

[CallumLaidlaw]

I think folk need to give the club a break here and focus on enjoying the final. This is an absolutely thankless task for them and they’ve tried to find a happy medium without over implicating it for them too much.
Personally I don’t wanna sit on my own at the cup final so I’ll enjoy the game with my mates and a beer.

Good luck to those in the ballot but let’s give the club a break here in what was a no win situation.


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[blackpoolhibs]

The wording seems to indicate that the club are embarrassed by the amount that are going to corporate. Ordinary season ticket holders getting shafted again.


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You got all that from the clubs statement. :top marks

[nonshinyfinish]

I mean I think we will apply to the ballot. So if I want to have a chance to go, I’ll put my name forward. If you don’t then you won’t put your name forward if that makes sense?

Yes, that's how I think it will work. But what happens when a parent and their 8-year-old child both want to go, so both apply for the ballot, but only the child is drawn out? The kid can't go by themselves, so Hibs either have to assign two tickets or none.

[Baldy Foghorn]

It’s not laughable, it’s a crap situation with almost no way of keeping everyone happy.

A ballot of AST holders could pull out folk who got one first time this season and have never been to an away game, or someone who’s been to away games for a season ahead of someone who’s never missed a game in their life.

No fans are more special than others, I think a small number for hospitality, a good proportion for players and staff, and ballot for the season ticket holders is reasonable. i think this is pretty much the fairest way to do it.

You don't think that those who go every week should be recognised. That is loyalty which should be a two way street

[Pretty Boy]

So what are the chances of your name coming out if you're a regular season ticket holder? About 1 in 50 maybe?

I think it will be a bit better than that as not everyone will enter the ballot.

I've spoken to a few people in the last couple of days who have stated they would rather watch in the pub/with friends than socially distanced in a near empty Hampden. I also think under 18s or maybe 16s will be ineligible to enter.

[danhibees1875]

So what are the chances of your name coming out if you're a regular season ticket holder? About 1 in 50 maybe?

Depends how many enter the ballot for a ticket. :dunno:

[Callum_62]

You don't think that those who go every week should be recognised. That is loyalty which should be a two way streetNo one has went every week this year

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[CapitalGreen]

We have the scenario of someone who never travels to away games being picked out in the ballot. Laughable

As an AST holder I’m happy with this ballot - I don’t feel more entitled to a ticket over someone else just because I can afford to go to more away games than them. Fairest way to do it IMO.

[Baldy Foghorn]

So what are the chances of your name coming out if you're a regular season ticket holder? About 1 in 50 maybe?

Depends how many apply

[Baldy Foghorn]

No one has went every week this year

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Hilarious post, well done

[H18 SFR]

We have the scenario of someone who never travels to away games being picked out in the ballot. Laughable

It is not laughable at all, not in the slightest.

[flash]

Take out kids and a lot of more elderly supporters plus the many who will prefer to watch the final in company and you might find there is a lot less in this ballot than it might appear.

[Baldy Foghorn]

No doubt the ones that have been at home games this season will be given tickets. That's fair huh

[hibee62]

I've a feeling the further information to come out will be that you apply for a place in the ballot, it's non transferable and you state that you are able and willing to attend the game. Which would be fair.
I'd imagine over 18s only.

Hopefully there will be some contingency in case people are required to isolate over the game… something like inform the club who’ll then draw another name and contact them.

[Helensburghhibs]

The authorities have made a calamity of this , not that its a surprise. Why have numbers been worked out to isolate single people and not pairs/family bubbles for example. This would allow better use of the space and an increased amount of tickets

[Yuillsy]

We have the scenario of someone who never travels to away games being picked out in the ballot. Laughable

What about groups or families who can't for whatever reason attend away matches but buy a significant amount of season tickets for Easter Road? They must be entitled to a fair crack of the whip?

[blackpoolhibs]

The club have done this the fairest way possible in my opinion, they have been put in a ridiculous position where they are going to piss off 99% of the support whatever they do.

[B.H.F.C]

Take out kids and a lot of more elderly supporters plus the many who will prefer to watch the final in company and you might find there is a lot less in this ballot than it might appear.

Agree with this. There is part of me thinks it’d be better just watching it at home but, equally, I don’t think I could not enter the ballot.

[matty_f]

You don't think that those who go every week should be recognised. That is loyalty which should be a two way street

In this instance, no - i don’t.

It’s a cup final. Ordinarily we’d have 20-odd thousand going, it’s something every season ticket holder would be going to.

It’s great folk are loyal, not everyone’s able to go to every single game and some people choose not to, they’re not any less loyal than the person who goes everywhere.

[Since452]

If I somehow end up with a ticket I'd happily give it to someone on here. Already got plans for the game. The thought of being in a deserted Hampden watching it without my mates just isn't for me.

[Keith_M]

Season ticket ballot after 60 given to players and staff.


I would be happy if the club gave some of the remaining tickets to Season Ticket holders that work in the NHS or any of the Emergency Services.

[Baldy Foghorn]

In this instance, no - i don’t.

It’s a cup final. Ordinarily we’d have 20-odd thousand going, it’s something every season ticket holder would be going to.

It’s great folk are loyal, not everyone’s able to go to every single game and some people choose not to, they’re not any less loyal than the person who goes everywhere.

Rubbish

[Andy74]

You don't think that those who go every week should be recognised. That is loyalty which should be a two way street

Not really over regular season ticket holders, no.

Those people are fortunate to be able to do so, sacrifices get made too I’m sure but it doesn’t mark people out as the best or most loyal fans in the way you think it does.

[matty_f]

No doubt the ones that have been at home games this season will be given tickets. That's fair huh

Rewarding their loyalty.

[matty_f]

Rubbish

What’s rubbish about it?

[Baldy Foghorn]

What’s rubbish about it?

You reckon someone who chooses not to go is as loyal as someone who goes every week. Gies peace

[Sir David Gray]

Still unclear what happens if a child's ST is drawn.

Only two realistic options I can think of:

- Don't assign tickets to kids at all (i.e. if a child's ST is drawn then it's discarded and another is drawn instead – seems harsh)
- If a child's ST is drawn, an adult from their group is assigned a ticket as well

No doubt some will see the second option as unfair since a group is getting two tickets in one go, but to me it seems a lot less unfair than just saying 'no kids at all get to go'.

Really difficult situation for Hibs.

I wouldn't be surprised if they do the same as the snooker and excluded anyone under the age of 18.

[Cod Boy]

I for one won’t be entering the ballot couldn’t take a ticket and leave my son in the house.

[Hibs90]

*grabs popcorn*

[matty_f]

You reckon someone who chooses not to go is as loyal as someone who goes every week. Gies peace

Depends why they choose not to go - maybe they’ve got family commitments, financial pressures.

Maybe that person commits a load of their spare time to do stuff for the club or its fans.

[JimBHibees]

That's the problem I alluded to. With no disrespect intended to Ozy all kinds of rumours will do the rounds now.

Just come out and say 5% or 10% are going to hospitality. That's 12 or 24 tickets. People might not be happy but they know the facts. As it is we will now hear that someone has a cousin who went out on a date with a guy who works in an office in Leith and he wa son his lunch when he overheard the wife of someone who has a hospitality ST say they were definitely getting 99% of the available tickets. That will then become a fact.

Genuinely told my cousin to shut up about that. Ffs:blah: :faf::faf:

[Keith_M]

*grabs popcorn*


No matter how the club handled this ridiculous situation, it was always going to be a popcorn moment


:greengrin

[ABZHFC]

Zero blame towards the club, 100% of the blame towards the authorities. I just hope it makes all boards wake up and realise they will have to be militant in order to get full crowds back immediately from the start of next season, no jumping through hoops to earn pathetic incremental increases of 500 every other week.

[hibeedonald]

The game is only a week away, the club need to keep it simple.

Feels like trying to win Willy wonkas gold ticket :D

[Hibs90]

Also, we have an interim chief executive? Would’ve been nice for the club to mention this before

[JimBHibees]

The club have done this the fairest way possible in my opinion, they have been put in a ridiculous position where they are going to piss off 99% of the support whatever they do.

Pretty much this. No win situation and could probably have done without the hassle it is likely to cause.

[Mikey]

Take out kids and a lot of more elderly supporters plus the many who will prefer to watch the final in company and you might find there is a lot less in this ballot than it might appear.

Yep, I suspect you're right. 1 in 40 then :greengrin

The last time I was in a ballot for Hibs tickets was yonks ago, it was for a cup game against Cowdenbeath in 1993 I think. Anyway, I got a ticket for that one so hopefully I haven't used up all my luck!

[Hibs90]

No matter how the club handled this ridiculous situation, it was always going to be a popcorn moment


:greengrin

Gonna be a lot of salty fans :greengrin

[scoopyboy]

I wonder if there will be a separate ballot for the wheelchair section.

I would email the SFA regarding that.

Maybe something that has been overlooked and you may land lucky.

[flash]

Yep, I suspect you're right. 1 in 40 then :greengrin

The last time I was in a ballot for Hibs tickets was yonks ago, it was for a cup game against Cowdenbeath in 1993 I think. Anyway, I got a ticket for that one so hopefully I haven't used up all my luck!

Make it 1 in 39 Mikey as i am going to the pub with my mates.

[Moulin Yarns]

Still unclear what happens if a child's ST is drawn.

Only two realistic options I can think of:

- Don't assign tickets to kids at all (i.e. if a child's ST is drawn then it's discarded and another is drawn instead – seems harsh)
- If a child's ST is drawn, an adult from their group is assigned a ticket as well

No doubt some will see the second option as unfair since a group is getting two tickets in one go, but to me it seems a lot less unfair than just saying 'no kids at all get to go'.

Really difficult situation for Hibs.

The only way a child ticket is drawn is if the holder or parent applied.

[Andy74]

*grabs popcorn*

Same way all the loyalty points discussions went.

That scheme might have stood a chance if it hadn’t been turned into an ‘I’m the best fan ever and deserve to be recognised and rewarded forever for it’ scheme instead.

[easty]

Imagine genuinely believing you have more of a right to a ticket cos you’ve got an away season ticket. Away games attended this season? None. What’s it left you out of pocket? Nowt.

Plus, even in a normal season an away season ticket makes Hibs nae money.

It’s laughable really.

[Caversham Green]

You don't think that those who go every week should be recognised. That is loyalty which should be a two way street

Surely the AST scheme already rewards your loyalty by giving you priority for away tickets in normal circumstances at no extra cost. Do you really think it's fair to exclude all other season ticket holders for the benefit of a privileged few?