Hibs fans at the Scottish Cup Final

[Sir David Gray]

I’d think so as well. It would be interesting to know what the combined ST sales for both clubs are - it could give us an idea of what sort of numbers the clubs will be pushing for.

I think your number of 13k will be fairly accurate. We had around 11k and I don't imagine St Johnstone will have had much more than around 2k.

[Onion]

I'd be stunned if it's as many as that. There's only around 12k allowed for the Euros.

Somewhere around the 5k mark would be my guess although I'd love it to be 13k.

Won't be more than the 12k limit for Euro matches. If we're really lucky, they'll follow England's limit of up to 10,000 fans or 25% capacity, whichever figure is lower. In case of Hampden, then 10k.

[Since90+2]

It will be a ballot of existing season ticket holders who wish to apply for a ticket.

They'll be hundreds of posts on this in the next day or two but you can guarantee that's exactly what it'll be.

[calumhibee1]

I think your number of 13k will be fairly accurate. We had around 11k and I don't imagine St Johnstone will have had much more than around 2k.

You could be looking at around 13k ST holders then with maybe 25% of ST holders not being able/willing to go for whatever reason. Would take you below 10k which seems to be the figure being used in England.

Whatever they decide, it’ll need to be decided very, very quickly.

[danhibees1875]

Or what about those who have held their season tickets consecutively for the longest period?

I'd give it to those who can juggle with them personally.

:greengrin

[Billy Whizz]

Loyalty points would be ideal right now.

We have around 300 or so away season ticket holders instead, and they signed up last season

[Kaff]

We're allowed to mix in groups of 6 from Mon, that should enable us to put tickets together in bubbles at the ground.
All this was agreed months ago and the authorities should have had plans in place for it to happen.
To keep control of who is there it's an easy one, only club members can attend the fame with an official ticket. Our membership list is Season Ticket holders and Edinburgh Club(?), I'm sure StJohnstone will have a similar scheme.
That way everyone invested in their clubs can get a fair chance of a ticket and no random person can/should attend.
Will help enormously with track and trace.

[jeffers]

You could be looking at around 13k ST holders then with maybe 25% of ST holders not being able/willing to go for whatever reason. Would take you below 10k which seems to be the figure being used in England.

Whatever they decide, it’ll need to be decided very, very quickly.

Your last sentence is key for me. A lot to consider and be sorted out. Can’t for example have a situation where a child gets a ticket and not the parent. Glad I’m not the one having to administer this.

[Brummie_Hibs]

It would be morally wrong to prioritise renewals over current ST holders.

This could be a pivotal moment in Ron's tenure.

[Malthibby]

Definitely should be giving them to those that went to the midweek Dunfermline replay in 2007, similar numbers and they’re the most loyal, even more than the ASTs.

Ugh. Some of us were in therapy for years after that night; my wife stopped going to Hampden after that. Glory Hunter.

[kaimendhibs]

Or the three Cup final matches against Rangers.

Im good then 🥳

[Devonhibs]

Never forget one of the replays, dark night, blooming police horse stood on my foot, really sore especially when I was only 15.

[calumhibee1]

Your last sentence is key for me. A lot to consider and be sorted out. Can’t for example have a situation where a child gets a ticket and not the parent. Glad I’m not the one having to administer this.

Yup but likewise can’t have a situation where if a kid gets a ticket than the adult has to as well or else they’re essentially getting numerous goes at it.

[gbhibby]

The club will want to make it as easy as possible for admin of this. Whatever they decide there will be winners and losers as long as we have people at the game supporting Hibs that's all that matters.

[BoomtownHibees]

“The SFA have submitted a request to the Scottish Government to allow between 1,500 and 3,000 fans into the Scottish Cup final”

As per Kenny Macintyre on twitter

[Fergos]

SFA have submitted a request to Gov for between 1500-3000 fans at the final according to Kenny McIntyre on Twitter.

GGTTH

[Magpie]

If only there was a loyalty points system 🤪 joking aside, there will be people who can go and people who can’t. Either way, we will hopefully enjoy ourselves whether that be at the game, in the pub or at home with friends and family.

[Malthibby]

I agree the club have to decide. People who had a season ticket last season and have already bought one for next season should be ranked above those who still have to renew. Expect there will be lots of renewals between now and cut off point. With 5000 people who have bought for next season already that would be the tickets gone.

Not so sure about this; I've renewed but there are many others who will but can't afford it yet.
Meybes find a way of choosing the noisiest fans, although that would count n]me out; I'll be too busy eating my prawn sandwiches and peering at the pitch through my fingers.

[Steven79]

“The SFA have submitted a request to the Scottish Government to allow between 1,500 and 3,000 fans into the Scottish Cup final”

As per Kenny Macintyre on twitter

Was just about to post this.

Fair scramble for tickets then...

[Stairway 2 7]

“The SFA have submitted a request to the Scottish Government to allow between 1,500 and 3,000 fans into the Scottish Cup final”

As per Kenny Macintyre on twitter

Oh well 😆

[ABZHFC]

“The SFA have submitted a request to the Scottish Government to allow between 1,500 and 3,000 fans into the Scottish Cup final”

As per Kenny Macintyre on twitter

Nice ambition, ffs

[JimBHibees]

You would have thought they would have aimed for 10k as a starter then maybe negotiated down. 😄

[Sir David Gray]

SFA have submitted a request to Gov for between 1500-3000 fans at the final according to Kenny McIntyre on Twitter.

GGTTH

Jeezo that's pretty dreadful. I wasn't expecting it to be too many but something close to the 12k that will be allowed into Hampden for the Euros just 3 weeks after the cup final was my guess.

[CapitalGreen]

Heads up for anyone who hasn’t already done so - I’d recommend sorting out your new single sign-on for the eticketing website. You don’t want to be fannying around trying to sort that if you need to log-in later for any ballot.

[BoomtownHibees]

A maximum of 1500 Hibs fans there (assuming 50/50 split). Corporates, players tickets to potentially come out of that as well. Pretty pointless IMO

[ABZHFC]

I strongly believe you could play it in front of 40,000 fans and there would not be a single COVID-19 hospitalisation/death that resulted from it, given the extremely low levels of the virus and the very high proportion of vulnerable people vaccinated. We have lost all sight of this, will be a long old slog to get back to full crowds (as it should be) with these sort of jokers in charge begging for scraps from the table

[MagicSwirlingShip]

A maximum of 1500 Hibs fans there (assuming 50/50 split). Corporates, players tickets to potentially come out of that as well. Pretty pointless IMO

Not at all. Would be amazing for those lucky Hibees to see us win the cup. Imagine the stories in pubs 30 years from now , “ I was there 2021 “

The rest of us can welcome the team home to Leith! GGTTH

[Danderhall Hibs]

The club will want to make it as easy as possible for admin of this. Whatever they decide there will be winners and losers as long as we have people at the game supporting Hibs that's all that matters.

Yeah - it has to be quick and easy. The first (x) that renewed this current season is probably the easiest given they listed everyone and gave a number.

[Onion]

SFA have submitted a request to Gov for between 1500-3000 fans at the final according to Kenny McIntyre on Twitter.

GGTTH

Someone tell me it ain't so :rolleyes: Next they'll be saying only home fans will get them, and St J are the home side.

Do you ever imagine a time when the SFA manage to EXCEED expectations ?

[hibbyfraelibby]

Priority will go to those who attended the Semi-final...

[Pretty Boy]

There's not going to be a scramble. It's not going to be like buying normal tickets.

Full in a form and wait for an email is my guess.

[MacBean]

I don’t get the whole “first x that renewed” makes absolutely no sense. People get paid at al different times of the month, whether you were first in the queue or 1 minute before the deadline you’ve renewed when you can afford to.

I was in the first few hundred and don’t think there’s any reason my £ are more valuable than someone who renewed this afternoon.
Only and fairest way to do it is by current ST ballot.

[Onion]

Not at all. Would be amazing for those lucky Hibees to see us win the cup. Imagine the stories in pubs 30 years from now , “ I was there 2021 “

The rest of us can welcome the team home to Leith! GGTTH

As long as there are enough Hibbies to bring the goalposts back with them :aok:

[Barney McGrew]

There's not going to be a scramble. It's not going to be like buying normal tickets.

Full in a form and wait for an email is my guess.

:agree:

The only way to do it will be a ballot or they’ll risk pissing off a lot of people.

[calumhibee1]

SFA have submitted a request to Gov for between 1500-3000 fans at the final according to Kenny McIntyre on Twitter.

GGTTH

It wouldn’t be like the SFA to manage to deliver just about the most embarrassingly half arsed version of something would it?

[Danderhall Hibs]

I don’t get the whole “first x that renewed” makes absolutely no sense. People get paid at al different times of the month, whether you were first in the queue or 1 minute before the deadline you’ve renewed when you can afford to.

I was in the first few hundred and don’t think there’s any reason my £ are more valuable than someone who renewed this afternoon.
Only and fairest way to do it is by current ST ballot.

Less admin and therefore cost to the club to do it that way. I’m sure many agree that the club shouldn’t spend anymore money than they have to.

[Stairway 2 7]

Away season tickets is fair for a chunk of them and I'm not one.

[SteveHFC]

“The SFA have submitted a request to the Scottish Government to allow between 1,500 and 3,000 fans into the Scottish Cup final”

As per Kenny Macintyre on twitter

Hope that number goes to the fans and not sponsors.

[MikeyS]

Definitely should be giving them to those that went to the midweek Dunfermline replay in 2007, similar numbers and they’re the most loyal, even more than the ASTs.

Agreed! I mind walking the stairs late and being raging realising Damon Gray was starting!

[660]

Should give priority based on exuberance in 2016

[Steven79]

I don’t get the whole “first x that renewed” makes absolutely no sense. People get paid at al different times of the month, whether you were first in the queue or 1 minute before the deadline you’ve renewed when you can afford to.

I was in the first few hundred and don’t think there’s any reason my £ are more valuable than someone who renewed this afternoon.
Only and fairest way to do it is by current ST ballot.

It's probably been suggested by those that renewed straight away...

[SQHib]

Sfa asking for up to 3000 fans according to update on bbc website

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/57073714

[Sir David Gray]

I don’t get the whole “first x that renewed” makes absolutely no sense. People get paid at al different times of the month, whether you were first in the queue or 1 minute before the deadline you’ve renewed when you can afford to.

I was in the first few hundred and don’t think there’s any reason my £ are more valuable than someone who renewed this afternoon.
Only and fairest way to do it is by current ST ballot.

Yep. It should and hopefully will be available to every season ticket holder from 20/21 on the same basis. The match is the 20/21 cup final, who's renewed for next season should be irrelevant.

[calumhibee1]

There’s absolutely no excuse for it not being the same as England - max of 10k or 25% of capacity, whatever is lower.

[JeMeSouviens]

Definitely should be giving them to those that went to the midweek Dunfermline replay in 2007, similar numbers and they’re the most loyal, even more than the ASTs.

Hey! I was there. Maybe I can go after all. :greengrin

[Danderhall Hibs]

Should give priority based on exuberance in 2016

Good shout. Biggest fine or jail sentence order.

[Danderhall Hibs]

Hey! I was there. Maybe I can go after all. :greengrin

I think we’ve all already posted on this thread now. :hilarious

[ABZHFC]

Should give priority based on exuberance in 2016

1,500 briefs awarded to the boy who swung for Wallace :greengrin:greengrin

[h1bs4life]

“The SFA have submitted a request to the Scottish Government to allow between 1,500 and 3,000 fans into the Scottish Cup final”

As per Kenny Macintyre on twitter



SFA useless as usual. Time the beaks get there share maximum of 1300 Hibs fans likely a lot less.
Any ballot should be for this year's season ticket holders possibly season tickets holders have to apply to be in the ballot.
Our group of 5 are already booked into a pub in Leith I would be the only one who would go if I was lucky in a ballot
Times tight no doubt you will need a negative test before you go , club is in a no win situation

[Bostonhibby]

Good shout. Biggest fine or jail sentence order.What about guaranteed allocation for those outlaws who have been on the run from plod Scotland the longest?

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[JeMeSouviens]

I think we’ve all already posted on this thread now. :hilarious

Never a pen btw. ****** bent Craig Thompson. :grr:

[Onion]

Sfa asking for up to 3000 fans according to update on bbc website

5.8% of capacity. Wonder what logic they used to come up with that ?

So, if Hearts had said Yes to using the PBS, it would have been a grand total of 1100 fans ?

[Kaff]

Less than 3000 at Hampden is a joke.
It's an open ground with big concourses and outside the ground it's a pretty wide spacious area with no need for major bottle necks if fans are guided appropriately to the turnstiles.
Had months to prepare for this, the May 17th date has been in place for ages

[JeMeSouviens]

1500-3000? Wtf are the SFA on? :confused:

[Stuart93]

****ing joke. Absolute **** show as usual from the SFA.

[Danderhall Hibs]

Yep. It should and hopefully will be available to every season ticket holder from 20/21 on the same basis. The match is the 20/21 cup final, who's renewed for next season should be irrelevant.

It’s for those that renewed fastest last year for the current season. They showed they were the most dedicated and committed. Even done it before the ASTs.

[Peanut Shaz]

Surely can't be just one ticket per person, however they allocate them. Not great travelling/sitting alone. Would it be possible to perhaps get small groups of families/friends together?

[Pretty Boy]

Surely as an organisation you aim high with the expectation you will be negotiated down? Asking for 1500-3000 is verging on the pointless.

Anyway I'm away to think of the criteria that puts me closest to the top of the list then come back here and post about exactly why that is definitely, 100% the fairest way.

[Danderhall Hibs]

Surely as an organisation you aim high with the expectation you will be negotiated down? Asking for 1500-3000 is verging on the pointless.

Anyway I'm away to think of the criteria that puts me closest to the top of the list then come back here and post about exactly why that is definitely, 100% the fairest way.

Agreed - it’s a token gesture after weeks of sitting on their hands.

And as for your 2nd point - :hilarious

[Peevemor]

SFA useless as usual. Time the beaks get there share maximum of 1300 Hibs fans likely a lot less.
Any ballot should be for this year's season ticket holders possibly season tickets holders have to apply to be in the ballot.
Our group of 5 are already booked into a pub in Leith I would be the only one who would go if I was lucky in a ballot
Times tight no doubt you will need a negative test before you go , club is in a no win situationI doubt the SFA plucked the 3k figure out the air. There would have been off the record discussions and 3k will be what's been agreed. This avoids a public SFA v SG conflict.

[ABZHFC]

In reply to a post on another thread where I called for all boards in Scotland to demand full houses from July 31st onwards next season, I was told it was prudent and beneficial to jump through the Scottish Government's hoops, play the game, not rock the boat. This is where it gets you, having to submit an application for 3,000 people at most for a cup final, which they'll pass off as a good thing as it is staggeringly still six times more than the base number.

I hope boards become a lot more militant from here on out in their dealings with the authorities, and we see the beginning of a national, grassroots campaign to get fans back into stadium with no restrictions whatsoever come the beginning of next season.

[Kaff]

Should give priority based on exuberance in 2016

Yes, those who went on the pitch get first dibs, I believe Police Scotland have a database of most of them so easy for the club to administer:flag:

[Onion]

1500-3000? Wtf are the SFA on? :confused:

Be funny of the Scottish Government turned this down .... and proposed 10k minimum.

SFA selling our game cheap as per usual. Pathetic token gesture.

[green day]

Surely can't be just one ticket per person, however they allocate them. Not great travelling/sitting alone. Would it be possible to perhaps get small groups of families/friends together?

I think you already know the answer to that question....................

[Danderhall Hibs]

Yes, those who went on the pitch get first dibs, I believe Police Scotland have a database of most of them so easy for the club to administer:flag:

Too many went on the pitch for the number of tickets. Has to be done on level of fine or sentence. Fairest way.

[Kaff]

In reply to a post on another thread where I called for all boards in Scotland to demand full houses from July 31st onwards next season, I was told it was prudent and beneficial to jump through the Scottish Government's hoops, play the game, not rock the boat. This is where it gets you, having to submit an application for 3,000 people at most for a cup final, which they'll pass off as a good thing as it is staggeringly still six times more than the base number.

I hope boards become a lot more militant from here on out in their dealings with the authorities, and we see the beginning of a national, grassroots campaign to get fans back into stadium with no restrictions whatsoever come the beginning of next season.

Absolutely, they'll bankrupt the game with this approach and if the SFA have slunk behind the scenes and pre agreed this pitiful amount then they'll be complicit in it too.
Cormack has taken a bit of grief on here but I guarantee he would have been very vocal if Aberdeen were in the final.
Saints might just get enough tickets fir all their ST holders so its up to our board now to state publicly they're not happy, we'll pay heavily next season if we don't keep the fans onside here, we can't just rollover and accept that we're all going to miss one of the clubs biggest ever matches (every cup final is).

[h1bs4life]

Just seen on the news 4000 indoors at O2 arena with no social distancing or masks tonight at the Brit awards .
As usual we are miles behind

[SteveHFC]

https://twitter.com/scottishcup/status/1392165236904452099?s=21

[WhileTheChief..]

Be funny of the Scottish Government turned this down .... and proposed 10k minimum.

SFA selling our game cheap as per usual. Pathetic token gesture.

A couple of pages back folk were saying it would be brilliant if we could get 50 or 100 fans in.

Maybe there’s a decent reason they’ve gone with this number? Why the rush to blame someone?

[Billy Whizz]

https://twitter.com/scottishcup/status/1392165236904452099?s=21

That’s great news, at least some Hibs fans will get in

[Peanut Shaz]

I think you already know the answer to that question....................

I expect so and I'm not holding out much hope of anything else. Just think it would be even more soulless with everyone sitting effectively alone.

[Hibernianinc]

In reply to a post on another thread where I called for all boards in Scotland to demand full houses from July 31st onwards next season, I was told it was prudent and beneficial to jump through the Scottish Government's hoops, play the game, not rock the boat. This is where it gets you, having to submit an application for 3,000 people at most for a cup final, which they'll pass off as a good thing as it is staggeringly still six times more than the base number.

I hope boards become a lot more militant from here on out in their dealings with the authorities, and we see the beginning of a national, grassroots campaign to get fans back into stadium with no restrictions whatsoever come the beginning of next season.

For a country with one of the worst death rate per capita in the world, I’d point to the 125k+ bodies and advise caution.

Besides, yesterday there was no-one going, so while pretty piddling numbers, it’s an improvement on zero.

[SaulGoodman]

I posted a slightly funny post about a plane once so I must be right up there.

[Col2]

****ing joke. Absolute **** show as usual from the SFA.

They have found new levels of incompetence on this. Now at 11th hour and scrambling about to give the teams the minimal they can get away with. I expected a minimum 6k but only because I knew they would never go for 12k.

A complete and utter **** up from the outset. The EUROs is the only thing the SFA care about. Zero test events, zero insight into fans for league season.

[aljo7-0]

Maybe UEFA only allowed 3000 max in giving their consent. I'm no fan of SFA but it might not be their lack of ambition here?

[Irish_Steve]

That’s great news, at least some Hibs fans will get in

Hopefully I can get in to boo Drey Wright ;)

[1875Sean]

STV saying 2000 fans, terrible call if true

[Since90+2]

They should try and maximise the revenue they can get from this.

Just auction off the 1000 tickets to the highest bidders. I'm absolutely minted so pretty confident I'd get one.

[Newry Hibs]

Hopefully I can get in to boo Drey Wright ;)

😄

[Steven79]

Just seen on the news 4000 indoors at O2 arena with no social distancing or masks tonight at the Brit awards .
As usual we are miles behindIt's absolute BS.

No reason for it to be so low.

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[Steven79]

Maybe UEFA only allowed 3000 max in giving their consent. I'm no fan of SFA but it might not be their lack of ambition here?They have previous for a lack of ambition so it's hardly a stretch...

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[cabbageandribs1875]

Maybe UEFA only allowed 3000 max in giving their consent. I'm no fan of SFA but it might not be their lack of ambition here?


it didn't matter how many were going to be allowed some would still be screaming that's too low it's too low, just accept what's being allowed :agree:



good luck to those in the mix for a ticket

[ABZHFC]

For a country with one of the worst death rate per capita in the world, I’d point to the 125k+ bodies and advise caution.

Besides, yesterday there was no-one going, so while pretty piddling numbers, it’s an improvement on zero.

Yep, we had a truly terrible death rate, and I accept there was a need for extended caution, but that time has passed now, and unless we are willing to fight for it, this breadcrumb approach will continue indefinitely. Come the start of next season, we'll be saying '6,000 is an improvement on 3,000', it's just not acceptable.

We have vaccines, hardly anybody is dying or getting hospitalised. We cannot just refuse to fight for a return to pre-COVID normality because things once were worse.

And I fear it is this very same acceptance of 'well it's better than 0!' that means we will face restrictions on attending football matches (something that literally had not happened since the Second World War) for a long time yet.

[Steven79]

it didn't matter how many were going to be allowed some would still be screaming that's too low it's too low, just accept what's being allowed :agree:The longer we accept it the longer it will take to get a half decent crowds back.

They are letting 12,500 into Hampden for the Euros a few weeks later.

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[Peevemor]

Maybe UEFA only allowed 3000 max in giving their consent. I'm no fan of SFA but it might not be their lack of ambition here?The SFA would have wanted and asked for a lot more than 3k and discussions will have been ongoing, albeit unofficially, for a wee while. The 3k figure that has been leaked is what they've been told they're getting, either by UEFA, the SG or both. Funny it coincides with today's announcement.

Wise up people.

[007]

https://twitter.com/scottishcup/status/1392165236904452099?s=21

That's great news.

I thought the UEFA statement a day or two ago said it wasn't their call re fans being allowed in. Now the SFA are saying UEFA have approved it. Either I'm remembering the statement wrongly or the SFA are at it trying to make out they weren't just sitting around doing bugger all about it.

[Jones28]

The sfa finding new ways to **** up 😂

[Steven79]

Yep, we had a truly terrible death rate, and I accept there was a need for extended caution, but that time has passed now, and unless we are willing to fight for it, this breadcrumb approach will continue indefinitely. Come the start of next season, we'll be saying '6,000 is an improvement on 3,000', it's just not acceptable.

We have vaccines, hardly anybody is dying or getting hospitalised. We cannot just refuse to fight for a return to pre-COVID normality because things once were worse.

And I fear it is this very same acceptance of 'well it's better than 0!' that means we will face restrictions on attending football matches (something that literally had not happened since the Second World War) for a long time yet.I'm putting off buying a season ticket for that very reason as I have no faith in us getting back in anytime soon.

But bingo, Cinema or a church is fair game...

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[Irish_Steve]

STV saying 2000 fans, terrible call if true

2000 is better than none

[Steven79]

That's great news.

I thought the UEFA statement a day or two ago said it wasn't their call re fans being allowed in. Now the SFA are saying UEFA have approved it. Either I'm remembering the statement wrongly or the SFA are at it trying to make out they weren't just sitting around doing bugger all about it.Don't they always?

They stood back as our game drifted towards mediocrity from a high point during the 70's and 80's.

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[Newry Hibs]

Well, I've just got my email through confirming my two tickets.
Wife is very excited. She's not been to a soccer match before.

[cabbageandribs1875]

The longer we accept it the longer it will take to get a half decent crowds back.

They are letting 12,500 into Hampden for the Euros a few weeks later.

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so what are you suggesting be done about it ?:confused: i'm a "it is what it is" type :)

[Steven79]

2000 is better than noneI will watch it with family and friends rather than sitting on my tod in an empty stadium.

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[Steven79]

Well, I've just got my email through confirming my two tickets.
Wife is very excited. She's not been to a soccer match before.[emoji23]

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[blackpoolhibs]

Just heard they are getting Rod Stewart in to organise the ballot.

[1875Sean]

2000 is better than none

It’s a nonsense, I know it’s different In England Liverpool are getting 10,000 in the last game of the season, few weeks times Scotland will play at the ground in front of 12,500

[cabbageandribs1875]

That's great news.

I thought the UEFA statement a day or two ago said it wasn't their call re fans being allowed in. Now the SFA are saying UEFA have approved it. Either I'm remembering the statement wrongly or the SFA are at it trying to make out they weren't just sitting around doing bugger all about it.



someone's telling porkies :agree:

[Steven79]

It’s a nonsense, I know it’s different In England Liverpool are getting 10,000 in the last game of the season, few weeks times Scotland will play at the ground in front of 12,500If this continues then clubs will die.

It's safer to attend a football match than it is to go shopping.

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[bingo70]

STV saying 2000 fans, terrible call if true

How many people are going to be at Hampden and Wembley a few weeks later?

It’s like they’ve forgotten the actual reason for stopping fans going into grounds and are just doing it to be dicks now 😂

[Kaff]

The SFA would have wanted and asked for a lot more than 3k and discussions will have been ongoing, albeit unofficially, for a wee while. The 3k figure that has been leaked is what they've been told they're getting, either by UEFA, the SG or both. Funny it coincides with today's announcement.

Wise up people.

It's the SFA that need to wise up, if they asked for more tickets then get that out in public. Football is being shafted compared to other activities here, it's not every game this is the showpiece fixture for the Scottish game and the SFA need to tell us they've been given these restrictions if that is the case.
Make a stand for the game, they've been banging on about fans for weeks so prove they do care here.
Of course I'm angry because it's Hibs and I want to go but this is our national game we're talking about and it has to be at front and centre.

[LaMotta]

STV saying 2000 fans, terrible call if true

Genuinely better with no fans than 2k. It's just not worth the hassle.

[Danderhall Hibs]

2000 is better than none

I’m not sure it is. By the time they take sponsor tickets, players comps etc it’ll be about 750 each side. Token gesture.

[Irish_Steve]

Well, I've just got my email through confirming my two tickets.
Wife is very excited. She's not been to a soccer match before.

Neither of you will be able to travel from NI, best pass them onto me......

[bingo70]

Yep, we had a truly terrible death rate, and I accept there was a need for extended caution, but that time has passed now, and unless we are willing to fight for it, this breadcrumb approach will continue indefinitely. Come the start of next season, we'll be saying '6,000 is an improvement on 3,000', it's just not acceptable.

We have vaccines, hardly anybody is dying or getting hospitalised. We cannot just refuse to fight for a return to pre-COVID normality because things once were worse.

And I fear it is this very same acceptance of 'well it's better than 0!' that means we will face restrictions on attending football matches (something that literally had not happened since the Second World War) for a long time yet.

Couldn’t agree more.

Good post.

[LaMotta]

I’m not sure it is. By the time they take sponsor tickets, players comps etc it’ll be about 750 each side. Token gesture.

:agree:

[Newry Hibs]

Neither of you will be able to travel from NI, best pass them onto me......

Damn. I'll just keep them as souveniers.

[Billy Whizz]

How much do you think a ticket will cost

[calumhibee1]

It's the SFA that need to wise up, if they asked for more tickets then get that out in public. Football is being shafted compared to other activities here, it's not every game this is the showpiece fixture for the Scottish game and the SFA need to tell us they've been given these restrictions if that is the case.
Make a stand for the game, they've been banging on about fans for weeks so prove they do care here.
Of course I'm angry because it's Hibs and I want to go but this is our national game we're talking about and it has to be at front and centre.

Nail on the head.

[Billy Whizz]

https://twitter.com/hibernianfc/status/1392169612054237189?s=21

[aljo7-0]

Damn. I'll just keep them as souveniers.

Post them to me and I'll frame them for you for free..... honest.....

[ABZHFC]

so what are you suggesting be done about it ?:confused: i'm a "it is what it is" type :)

Every fan of every club should be urging their boards to demand a cast iron date or scenario in which full crowds will be allowed back in to stadiums. The boards should stress to the government that no one has had the chance to even trial the safety of crowds in Scotland, and that it is ridiculous given the minuscule levels of COVID present in the country right now that even by the 28th of June, when Scotland moves down to 'level 0', there is still only a maximum of 4,000 fans allowed into stadiums without prior agreement with the local authorities that it can be increased.

https://twitter.com/SvenskSupport/status/1389553612519522304

I think this protest from AIK's ultras in Sweden sums up the absolute nonsense that these COVID laws represent. Shopping centres full, stadiums empty - for no good reason. The way things are going, there will be virtually no cases of COVID-19 in the country and certainly no deaths and hospitalisations in Scotland come July, it is incumbent on all of us to lobby and put pressure on politicians (many of whom are football fans themselves) to end this madness and agree that crowds will be allowed in from matchday 1 next season with zero restrictions providing our nation's exit path from this pandemic continues as imagined

[Brooster]

I’m not sure it is. By the time they take sponsor tickets, players comps etc it’ll be about 750 each side. Token gesture.

I don't think it's appropriate for players to get comps on this occasion.

[Danderhall Hibs]

I don't think it's appropriate for players to get comps on this occasion.

I get that but I wonder if they’ll agree.

[Hibeesforever]

I’m not sure it is. By the time they take sponsor tickets, players comps etc it’ll be about 750 each side. Token gesture.

Indeed, time for the government to step up...fans need and deserve this.

[MacBean]

If I remember correctly for the English league cup game - ONLY the person that the ticket is allocated to can go, and had to prove with ID and a negative test result within 48 hours prior to kick off.
I’m sure there was some sort of age restriction too. Or that may be for the euros.
I can’t see them giving tickets out to sponsors, it’ll be purely for fans and named individuals so they can track and trace

[green day]

I don't think it's appropriate for players to get comps on this occasion.

I spoke to someone today who knows Ali Mcanns family.

Said they were upset that they didnt get to go when he won the LC, but were hopeful that they could see him in person in 2 weeks.....................

That convo took place before this announcement.

[Irish_Steve]

Maybe those working for the NHS should get them (I am not in that category at all)

They probably deserve them more than anyone else

[bingo70]

Maybe those working for the NHS should get them (I am not in that category at all)

They probably deserve them more than anyone else

I think something like that would be sensible.

I’m not sure id be fussed about going to sit in a stadium that size with less than a thousand other Hibs fans

[Hibernianinc]

Yep, we had a truly terrible death rate, and I accept there was a need for extended caution, but that time has passed now, and unless we are willing to fight for it, this breadcrumb approach will continue indefinitely. Come the start of next season, we'll be saying '6,000 is an improvement on 3,000', it's just not acceptable.

We have vaccines, hardly anybody is dying or getting hospitalised. We cannot just refuse to fight for a return to pre-COVID normality because things once were worse.

And I fear it is this very same acceptance of 'well it's better than 0!' that means we will face restrictions on attending football matches (something that literally had not happened since the Second World War) for a long time yet.

I get that, my point is “when it’s safe” has to be the answer.

And because we’ve (and I’m mostly blaming uk government) been so bad, we need to be extra cautious. Our track record on making decisions here is not good.

If that means I’m watching the match on telly again on 31 July so be it.

Hope I’m at Hampden on 22 May, but glad some folk will be.

[Andy74]

Surely as an organisation you aim high with the expectation you will be negotiated down? Asking for 1500-3000 is verging on the pointless.

Anyway I'm away to think of the criteria that puts me closest to the top of the list then come back here and post about exactly why that is definitely, 100% the fairest way.

It is pointless.

[greenlex]

Maybe those working for the NHS should get them (I am not in that category at all)

They probably deserve them more than anyone else

Like this idea a lot. Season ticket holders obviously

[Kato]

Piddling amount to allow in but will be delighted for any Hibby who gets a brief for this one.

[Sir David Gray]

Yep, we had a truly terrible death rate, and I accept there was a need for extended caution, but that time has passed now, and unless we are willing to fight for it, this breadcrumb approach will continue indefinitely. Come the start of next season, we'll be saying '6,000 is an improvement on 3,000', it's just not acceptable.

We have vaccines, hardly anybody is dying or getting hospitalised. We cannot just refuse to fight for a return to pre-COVID normality because things once were worse.

And I fear it is this very same acceptance of 'well it's better than 0!' that means we will face restrictions on attending football matches (something that literally had not happened since the Second World War) for a long time yet.

Totally agree well said.

[bingo70]

I spoke to someone today who knows Ali Mcanns family.

Said they were upset that they didnt get to go when he won the LC, but were hopeful that they could see him in person in 2 weeks.....................

That convo took place before this announcement.

Friends and family in the top tier, the fans in a completely different stand.

[green day]

Maybe those working for the NHS should get them (I am not in that category at all)

They probably deserve them more than anyone else

If it is only 1000 or so, frankly I would be as happy with that as any other option.

[bingo70]

I get that, my point is “when it’s safe” has to be the answer.

And because we’ve (and I’m mostly blaming uk government) been so bad, we need to be extra cautious. Our track record on making decisions here is not good.

If that means I’m watching the match on telly again on 31 July so be it.

Hope I’m at Hampden on 22 May, but glad some folk will be.

It’s perfectly safe now, if it wasn’t shopping centres would be closed and they wouldn’t be allowing 12,000 people to congregate in the same place a few weeks later.

It’s also not going to be any safer 3 weeks down the line.

[calumhibee1]

Yep, we had a truly terrible death rate, and I accept there was a need for extended caution, but that time has passed now, and unless we are willing to fight for it, this breadcrumb approach will continue indefinitely. Come the start of next season, we'll be saying '6,000 is an improvement on 3,000', it's just not acceptable.

We have vaccines, hardly anybody is dying or getting hospitalised. We cannot just refuse to fight for a return to pre-COVID normality because things once were worse.

And I fear it is this very same acceptance of 'well it's better than 0!' that means we will face restrictions on attending football matches (something that literally had not happened since the Second World War) for a long time yet.

:agree:

Agree with every word of this.

[Sir David Gray]

I get that, my point is “when it’s safe” has to be the answer.

And because we’ve (and I’m mostly blaming uk government) been so bad, we need to be extra cautious. Our track record on making decisions here is not good.

If that means I’m watching the match on telly again on 31 July so be it.

Hope I’m at Hampden on 22 May, but glad some folk will be.

The death toll we've had is horrific, I don't think anyone would say otherwise. However that was pre-vaccination. Now we have around 2/3 adults vaccinated with at least one dose we need to start looking at things in a different way.

[ABZHFC]

I get that, my point is “when it’s safe” has to be the answer.

And because we’ve (and I’m mostly blaming uk government) been so bad, we need to be extra cautious. Our track record on making decisions here is not good.

If that means I’m watching the match on telly again on 31 July so be it.

Hope I’m at Hampden on 22 May, but glad some folk will be.

I would say considering that recently Scotland went 7 days without a single death from COVID-19, we are in this position already. But even then, I am willing to give them a bit more time and forego large numbers at the final, so long as they absolutely promise that if we continue on this exit path from the pandemic then there will be full crowds in from matchday 1 next season, nothing less.

Again, I understand there has been a pandemic, I would even go as far to say that I have supported games being behind closed doors this season. We cannot forget, though, that empty stadiums are not the norm, they have not been a thing in this country since the Luftwaffe were flying overhead. And this is what I fear, a status quo bias, they're closed now so why not just keep them closed, or slightly increase capacities in the name of 'safety'.

Simply put, providing nothing goes spectacularly wrong over the next month or so, it will be as safe to attend a full stadium in July 2021 as it was in November 2019. And that is a message that the board, pundits, fans, players, everyone involved in the game, needs to be hammering home to the politicians and footballing authorities in charge of these decisions

[RoYO!]

As a thank you nhs gesture, I'd be happy for my ticket to go to an nhs frontline worker.

If they also happened to have an AST all the better 😄

[007]

The Scottish Government agreed over a month ago for 12000 fans at Hampden on 14th June when they would have a lot less of an idea of the state of play re the pandemic and how things would look 10 weeks later. Not only have things progressed positively in the last month but the cup final is only 11 days away so surely is a lot less of a guess as to how safe it will be.

Are they seriously expecting us to believe that it isn't safe for any more than 3k fans to get in on 22/5 but will be okay 3 weeks later for 4 times that many?

[Hibbyradge]

Safety should definitely still be a concern.

I think those fans who have had both jags should be prioritised. :agree:

[Danderhall Hibs]

Why only NHS workers? Key workers in Tesco etc were out there day in day out as well.

[calumhibee1]

The Scottish Government agreed over a month ago for 12000 fans at Hampden on 14th June when they would have a lot less of an idea of the state of play re the pandemic and how things would look 10 weeks later. Not only have things progressed positively in the last month but the cup final is only 11 days away so surely is a lot less of a guess as to how safe it will be.

Are they seriously expecting us to believe that it isn't safe for any more than 3k fans to get in on 22/5 but will be okay 3 weeks later for 4 times that many?

:agree:

There is simply no argument for such a low amount.

[Danderhall Hibs]

Safety should definitely still be a concern.

I think those fans who have had both jags should be prioritised. :agree:

No jags only and they can double jag everyone that attends. One on the way in, one on the way out.

Efficiency.

[AugustaHibs]

No jags only and they can double jag everyone that attends. One on the way in, one on the way out.

Efficiency.

Nah can’t do that, jags are to be 12 weeks apart and watching hibs in a final will age you well more than that

[hibbyfraelibby]

Just seen on the news 4000 indoors at O2 arena with no social distancing or masks tonight at the Brit awards .
As usual we are miles behind

That is an experimental test event planned for sone time with extensive testing. Not the same thing

[BlackSheep]

Safety should definitely still be a concern.

I think those fans who have had both jags should be prioritised. :agree:

I’d agree with that 😉

[Billy Whizz]

Safety should definitely still be a concern.

I think those fans who have had both jags should be prioritised. :agree:

Provided they live in Scotland😀

[bingo70]

That is an experimental test event planned for sone time with extensive testing. Not the same thing

Why don’t they just use the Scottish cup final as a test event then?

[Aldo]

Safety should definitely still be a concern.

I think those fans who have had both jags should be prioritised. :agree:

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[Billy Whizz]

Why don’t they just use the Scottish cup final as a test event then?

Good call Bingo, maybe they will

[calumhibee1]

That is an experimental test event planned for sone time with extensive testing. Not the same thing

There’s not been any test events in Scotland as far as I’m aware so in that respect we are absolutely miles behind.

[Brightside]

I'm told they will only be going to the most positive of supporters.

[Waxy]

I’d agree with that 😉

Thirded

[hibbyfraelibby]

There’s not been any test events in Scotland as far as I’m aware so in that respect we are absolutely miles behind.

There have been a number of test events before we went back into lockdown ICT, Ross County and Sheep?

The O2 is a different kettle of fish. Its about no social distancing at an indoor event.

[green day]

I'm told they will only be going to the most positive of supporters.

Lots of Hibbys from Elgin then?

[Hibbyradge]

Provided they live in Scotland😀

That would be a terrible mistake.

The numbers are shocking in areas of Scotland. Like Moray which isn't that far away really, when you consider things like I do.

[Hibbyradge]

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[calumhibee1]

There have been a number of test events before we went back into lockdown ICT, Ross County and Sheep?

The O2 is a different kettle of fish. Its about no social distancing at an indoor event.

Yeah but they’re not really relevant test events anymore because the situation has changed so much with the introduction of vaccines.

We should have held numerous test events based on the situation as it is now.

[Aldo]

You've been listening to that jambo again!

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[Barney McGrew]

That would be a terrible mistake.

The numbers are shocking in areas of Scotland. Like Moray which isn't that far away really, when you consider things like I do.

If Moray is still in level 3 as is being suggested then people from there won’t be allowed to travel to Glasgow anyway.

[Chorley Hibee]

Safety should definitely still be a concern.

I think those fans who have had both jags should be prioritised. :agree:

The problem with that is that there isn't even a system in place where you can show evidence of that.

I've had both jags, yet have nothing to show that I've received them.

[Hibs90]

Maybe those working for the NHS should get them (I am not in that category at all)

They probably deserve them more than anyone else

Totally agree with this, and suits me perfectly fine since I work for the NHS

:wink:

[Irish_Steve]

Totally agree with this, and suits me perfectly fine since I work for the NHS

:wink:

The number of ST holders/NHS staff seems to have shot up since I posted that lol

[Billy McKirdy]

I'm told they will only be going to the most positive of supporters.

That’ll mean that all 250 of them will be able to attend, problem solved 😉

[hibbyfraelibby]

Yeah but they’re not really relevant test events anymore because the situation has changed so much with the introduction of vaccines.

We should have held numerous test events based on the situation as it is now.

Those test events were relevant and the outcomes were baked in to the roadmap out of covid which is why there are numbers in the guidance for the L2, L1 Scotland is moving into from next week. They also informed the decision to allow event organisers to apply to their lical authorities to exceed those 500 and 2000 limits up to a ceiling number which had to go to the Scottish Government, which is how the Euro crowd size was agreed.

This has all been in place for months based on those test events and publushed...but then I suppose this is a fans forum where facts and reasoned discussion based on readily accessible facts takes place😉

[Onion]

I will watch it with family and friends rather than sitting on my tod in an empty stadium.

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If the 2000 fig is right, think a few others might come to same conclusion.

[O'Rourke3]

Pretty Boy. One seat on the bus please. [emoji6]

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[Garymcl]

Totally agree with green castle last season and renewals this season is the fairest also the more incentive for more renewals which in turn helps our manager with more revenue for forthcoming season I hope whoever gets to go has a brilliant time and gets behind our boys ggtth

[Crunchie]

I don't think it's appropriate for players to get comps on this occasion.
A maximum of 2 per player would be fair I think.

[calumhibee1]

Those test events were relevant and the outcomes were baked in to the roadmap out of covid which is why there are numbers in the guidance for the L2, L1 Scotland is moving into from next week. They also informed the decision to allow event organisers to apply to their lical authorities to exceed those 500 and 2000 limits up to a ceiling number which had to go to the Scottish Government, which is how the Euro crowd size was agreed.

This has all been in place for months based on those test events and publushed...but then I suppose this is a fans forum where facts and reasoned discussion based on readily accessible facts takes place😉

They’re not relevant though.

Using a test event where there was no vaccines even created at the time to decide how many people can safely go to games when over 60% of adults have now been given what has been proven to be an incredibly effective vaccine is a bit pointless really. The situation back then and the situation now are in no way comparable hence why England are quite rightly holding loads of test events based on where we are now rather than where we were in October or whenever the events at Pittodrie etc were.

The Scot Gov and SFA are now both being found severely wanting.

[ABZHFC]

Those test events were relevant and the outcomes were baked in to the roadmap out of covid which is why there are numbers in the guidance for the L2, L1 Scotland is moving into from next week. They also informed the decision to allow event organisers to apply to their lical authorities to exceed those 500 and 2000 limits up to a ceiling number which had to go to the Scottish Government, which is how the Euro crowd size was agreed.

This has all been in place for months based on those test events and publushed...but then I suppose this is a fans forum where facts and reasoned discussion based on readily accessible facts takes place😉

Would you agree that it would be unfeasible for clubs to operate on such a system next season? And untenable if Scotland's cases/hospitalisations/deaths continues to plummet with everyone being vaccinated?

[calumhibee1]

A maximum of 2 per player would be fair I think.

Not for me.

On the presumption that extends to staff as well you’ll be looking at around 150 tickets going as comps.

If the limit is to be 1500 then that’s 10% of what is already a pathetic amount of tickets being taken away from the fans.

[Sir David Gray]

There have been a number of test events before we went back into lockdown ICT, Ross County and Sheep?

The O2 is a different kettle of fish. Its about no social distancing at an indoor event.

I'd suggest it's pushing it to call putting 300 people in a 20,000 seater stadium as a test event.

It was also pre-vaccination.

[Since90+2]

I'd be surprised if the players only got 2.

[Aldo]

Pretty Boy. One seat on the bus please. [emoji6]

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[hibbyfraelibby]

They’re not relevant though.

Using a test event where there was no vaccines even created at the time to decide how many people can safely go to games when over 60% of adults have now been given what has been proven to be an incredibly effective vaccine is a bit pointless really. The situation back then and the situation now are in no way comparable hence why England are quite rightly holding loads of test events based on where we are now rather than where we were in October or whenever the events at Pittodrie etc were.

The Scot Gov and SFA are now both being found severely wanting.

Sounds like you just want to moan about the asFA and the SG for the sake of it.

They knew the vaccines were coming they had the vaccine effectiveness rates from the vaccine trials and they knew who they were targetting as part of the evidence used to come up with the roadmap levels...it was originally just 200 before remember?

[O'Rourke3]

That’ll be about £280 quid as only the 2 of you and the driver will be in the bus! [emoji51]


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[Aldo]

Cheaper than a taxi there and back [emoji3]

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[Hibernianinc]

I would say considering that recently Scotland went 7 days without a single death from COVID-19, we are in this position already. But even then, I am willing to give them a bit more time and forego large numbers at the final, so long as they absolutely promise that if we continue on this exit path from the pandemic then there will be full crowds in from matchday 1 next season, nothing less.

Again, I understand there has been a pandemic, I would even go as far to say that I have supported games being behind closed doors this season. We cannot forget, though, that empty stadiums are not the norm, they have not been a thing in this country since the Luftwaffe were flying overhead. And this is what I fear, a status quo bias, they're closed now so why not just keep them closed, or slightly increase capacities in the name of 'safety'.

Simply put, providing nothing goes spectacularly wrong over the next month or so, it will be as safe to attend a full stadium in July 2021 as it was in November 2019. And that is a message that the board, pundits, fans, players, everyone involved in the game, needs to be hammering home to the politicians and footballing authorities in charge of these decisions

Your reply means there’s an ulterior motive to keeping folk away from football, as opposed to Primark.

Fine, believe that if you like.

I’ve not seen any evidence that there is a conspiracy at play.

Let’s leave it as we disagree on when it’s ok, but whenever that is, we’ll all be back cheering on the Hibbies. 👍

[hibbyfraelibby]

Would you agree that it would be unfeasible for clubs to operate on such a system next season? And untenable if Scotland's cases/hospitalisations/deaths continues to plummet with everyone being vaccinated?

Well given the evidence that the SG is not averse to approving 12000 in a 54000 seat stadium and by the end of June Scotland will be in L0 with, as revealled today, relaxation on social distancing (what do you think the O2 experiment is all about?) then yes I believe its feasible. Might mean no away fans initially but feasible given the distancing issue looks like it is being loosened.

[GordonHFC]

Tickets should only be available to over 60 who have had the Pfizer vaccine (both doses) and who have existing and renewed their season tickets. Its the only way to be fair.

[hibbyfraelibby]

I'd suggest it's pushing it to call putting 300 people in a 20,000 seater stadium as a test event.

It was also pre-vaccination.

When did Dingwall and Inverness get 22000 seater stadiums?

Its relecant becausd it was about travel to and from a stadium, how you admitted tge fans, how you seated them, how you managed them getting to and from the bogs etc etc.

[Sir David Gray]

When did Dingwall and Inverness get 22000 seater stadiums?

Its relecant becausd it was about travel to and from a stadium, how you admitted tge fans, how you seated them, how you managed them getting to and from the bogs etc etc.

I was referring to Pittodrie.

[jeffers]

The problem with that is that there isn't even a system in place where you can show evidence of that.

I've had both jags, yet have nothing to show that I've received them.

I asked that question when I received my second one. I was told keep the letter as it at least proved you’d had the first. Hardly ideal.

[Billy Whizz]

I asked that question when I received my second one. I was told keep the letter as it at least proved you’d had the first. Hardly ideal.

https://www.digitalhealth.net/2021/05/nhs-app-to-be-used-as-covid-19-passport-from-may-17/

[hibbyfraelibby]

I was referring to Pittodrie.
Which was only one, there were others. All were relevant in informing decisions by health, government and sporting advisors on the panel of experts.

A bit like the different trials of the different vaccines which fight covid in different ways you dont blunder in and blindly vaccinate millions and cross your fingers you undertake small focussed controlled trials and build up...remember thalidomide?

[Eyrie]

I agree that being a season ticket holder for 20/21 who has had both jags must be the minimum qualifying criteria.

Given the need for social distancing, I'd also add in that priority goes to those happy to sit on their own.

That's me sorted :greengrin. Those of you who actually have friends will just have to take your chances.

[jeffers]

https://www.digitalhealth.net/2021/05/nhs-app-to-be-used-as-covid-19-passport-from-may-17/

Cheers for that Billy I didn’t know about it.

[ABZHFC]

Well given the evidence that the SG is not averse to approving 12000 in a 54000 seat stadium and by the end of June Scotland will be in L0 with, as revealled today, relaxation on social distancing (what do you think the O2 experiment is all about?) then yes I believe its feasible. Might mean no away fans initially but feasible given the distancing issue looks like it is being loosened.

But again, we should be pushing for full, February 2020 normality in stadia come the start of next season. By then, it will be as safe to attend a stadium in Scotland as it was before COVID, so there is no reason for the likes of Jason Leitch to come out on Off the Ball and say 'away fans might not be allowed in for the first half of the season'. We already are allowed to travel anywhere in Scotland for any purpose, why is it when it's football fans involved does it suddenly become a 'difficult one' for the government to decide on? This is not a slight on the Scottish Government in particular by the way, it has been the same across Europe. Just a total inability to see the wood for the trees, everyone convinced that the pandemic will irreversibly change big events forever (it won't) and we all have to accept some dystopian new normal (we won't). I just hope boards - although motivated by purely financial gain - get on board and start piling on proper pressure for football stadiums with no COVID restrictions as soon as possible

[Devonhibs]

:greengrin
I'd give it to those who can juggle with them personally.

:greengrin

[Billy Whizz]

Cheers for that Billy I didn’t know about it.

I saw it online somewhere

[MagicSwirlingShip]

Hibs could send season ticket sales through the roof by putting a 21/22 season ticket as a condition to be entered into the ballot....

[Ozyhibby]

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[marinello59]

https://www.digitalhealth.net/2021/05/nhs-app-to-be-used-as-covid-19-passport-from-may-17/

I think that App is For England and Wales only. I’m not sure if we have one ready for Scotland yet. Anybody know?

[Billy Whizz]

I think that App is For England and Wales only. I’m not sure if we have one ready for Scotland yet. Anybody know?

https://twitter.com/simoncalder/status/1392027291182637056?s=21

Scotland working on it

[calumhibee1]

Sounds like you just want to moan about the asFA and the SG for the sake of it.

They knew the vaccines were coming they had the vaccine effectiveness rates from the vaccine trials and they knew who they were targetting as part of the evidence used to come up with the roadmap levels...it was originally just 200 before remember?

At the time of the test events there was no guarantee a vaccine was coming and there was absolutely nothing to suggest what the effectiveness rates were.

It’s a totally different situation now and whatever test events were held pre vaccines even being made aren’t worth a damn with the situation now.

[Hibbyradge]

If Moray is still in level 3 as is being suggested then people from there won’t be allowed to travel to Glasgow anyway.

People north of the forth road bridge can't be trusted.

[Hibbyradge]

The problem with that is that there isn't even a system in place where you can show evidence of that.

I've had both jags, yet have nothing to show that I've received them.

I have. :agree:

Oops, did I let that slip?

[Aldo]

People north of the forth road bridge can't be trusted.

Heay... no need.... I can easily hide my sixth finger!!!!


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[Sir David Gray]

Which was only one, there were others. All were relevant in informing decisions by health, government and sporting advisors on the panel of experts.

A bit like the different trials of the different vaccines which fight covid in different ways you dont blunder in and blindly vaccinate millions and cross your fingers you undertake small focussed controlled trials and build up...remember thalidomide?

Fair enough I just don't see how 300 people in a 20,000 outdoor arena was going to be anything other than a roaring success.

[mim]

Well, I've just got my email through confirming my two tickets.
Wife is very excited. She's not been to a soccer match before.

Great to read a serious, intelligent post on here. :thumbsup:


People north of the forth road bridge can't be trusted.

Zip it, you :rolleyes:

[DunblaneHibby]

Tickets should only be available to over 60 who have had the Pfizer vaccine (both doses) and who have existing and renewed their season tickets. Its the only way to be fair.

Me please!

[hibbyfraelibby]

At the time of the test events there was no guarantee a vaccine was coming and there was absolutely nothing to suggest what the effectiveness rates were.

It’s a totally different situation now and whatever test events were held pre vaccines even being made aren’t worth a damn with the situation now.
You are absolutely incorrect with that statement.

The test events took place during the Phase 2 vaccine testing programme for Pfizer and the back end of the Pahse 1 stage for AstraZenica. The BMJ publushed the result in peer reviewed papers at the time and the UK Government had by then placed initial orders for 60.000.000 vaccine doses. The Phase 1 trial results were available, Phase 2 had been peer reviewed and a few weeks later the Phase 3 results mafe avaiable leading to the ultimate licensing by the authorities.

Just because the BMJ doesn't publish its papers on here doesn't mean the people who make the decisions hadn't read them😉

(Edit Clinical trials of Pfizer BionTech began in May2020)

[greenlex]

But again, we should be pushing for full, February 2020 normality in stadia come the start of next season. By then, it will be as safe to attend a stadium in Scotland as it was before COVID, so there is no reason for the likes of Jason Leitch to come out on Off the Ball and say 'away fans might not be allowed in for the first half of the season'. We already are allowed to travel anywhere in Scotland for any purpose, why is it when it's football fans involved does it suddenly become a 'difficult one' for the government to decide on? This is not a slight on the Scottish Government in particular by the way, it has been the same across Europe. Just a total inability to see the wood for the trees, everyone convinced that the pandemic will irreversibly change big events forever (it won't) and we all have to accept some dystopian new normal (we won't). I just hope boards - although motivated by purely financial gain - get on board and start piling on proper pressure for football stadiums with no COVID restrictions as soon as possible
I think the thinking is not wanting people mixing from different areas for a prolonged period right just now.
Your probably right about not changing things for events forever but it won’t be back to anything like where we were short term. Things are opening up gradually. There’s only appetite to go quicker from impatient public rather than the experts.

[jeffers]

https://www.digitalhealth.net/2021/05/nhs-app-to-be-used-as-covid-19-passport-from-may-17/

Just downloaded the app. Only lets you login currently if you are registered with a GP surgery in England.

[bingo70]

I think the thinking is not wanting people mixing from different areas for a prolonged period right just now.
Your probably right about not changing things for events forever but it won’t be back to anything like where we were short term. Things are opening up gradually. There’s only appetite to go quicker from impatient public rather than the experts.

I don’t think it’s fair to label the public impatient any more.

This has gone on for far too long and by and large the public have just dealt with it. Now though, the restrictions in place don’t stand up to any scrutiny, they’re inconsistent and are a lot more restrictive than our closest neighbours, without good reason.

There’s absolutely no reason there can’t be significantly more people in the ground than 2,000 and people are quite right to challenge it IMO of course.

[ekhibee]

I don’t think it’s fair to label the public impatient any more.

This has gone on for far too long and by and large the public have just dealt with it. Now though, the restrictions in place don’t stand up to any scrutiny, they’re inconsistent and are a lot more restrictive than our closest neighbours, without good reason.

There’s absolutely no reason there can’t be significantly more people in the ground than 2,000 and people are quite right to challenge it IMO of course.

It's gone on far too long because sections of the public thought they knew better and ignored all the warnings and lockdown. And yes, they were very obviously impatient. And ignorant.

[.Sean.]

Anyone explain how the Brit awards is currently jam packed indoors and basically none of us will be at Hampden?

[Jones28]

Hibs could send season ticket sales through the roof by putting a 21/22 season ticket as a condition to be entered into the ballot....

That would not be in good taste imo, especially considering the year some have had financially.

[calumhibee1]

You are absolutely incorrect with that statement.

The test events took place during the Phase 2 vaccine testing programme for Pfizer and the back end of the Pahse 1 stage for AstraZenica. The BMJ publushed the result in peer reviewed papers at the time and the UK Government had by then placed initial orders for 60.000.000 vaccine doses. The Phase 1 trial results were available, Phase 2 had been peer reviewed and a few weeks later the Phase 3 results mafe avaiable leading to the ultimate licensing by the authorities.

Just because the BMJ doesn't publish its papers on here doesn't mean the people who make the decisions hadn't read them😉

(Edit Clinical trials of Pfizer BionTech began in May2020)

So during vaccine testing then when there was no guarantee of vaccine approval and therefore as I said no guarantee of a vaccine. Also a hell of a lot less knowledge of their effectiveness (and again, no guarantee they would even be approved to be used so their effectiveness may have been absolutely irrelevant).

In no way comparable to now when there’s 60% of the adult population vaccinated and near enough immune. The test events away back then are of no use now. The landscape has changed far too much. It takes the most ardent of SNP supporters to claim that we’ve been doing testing to allow us to open up now when the testing was done in hugely different circumstances not a kick in the arse off a year ago.

There should have been loads of test events held by now. England have held plenty.

There’s a serious lack of appetite between the SFA and Scot Gov to get football back to any form of normality.

[calumhibee1]

Anyone explain how the Brit awards is currently jam packed indoors and basically none of us will be at Hampden?

There is no explanation really.

[bingo70]

It's gone on far too long because sections of the public thought they knew better and ignored all the warnings and lockdown. And yes, they were very obviously impatient. And ignorant.

Disagree.

It was a pandemic, it wasn’t going away completely unless things were properly locked down and people never left the house. That’s not practical though.

Even then, even if every person in the country stuck to the rules 100% it wouldn’t have gone away as the borders remained open the whole period. Remember the government actually ran a promotion eat out to help out in the middle of it all.

Blaming the public for this is way off IMO.

[calumhibee1]

Disagree.

It was a pandemic, it wasn’t going away completely unless things were properly locked down and people never left the house. That’s not practical though.

Even then, even if every person in the country stuck to the rules 100% it wouldn’t have gone away as the borders remained open the whole period. Remember the government actually ran a promotion eat out to help out in the middle of it all.

Blaming the public for this is way off IMO.

:agree:

[ekhibee]

Disagree.

It was a pandemic, it wasn’t going away completely unless things were properly locked down and people never left the house. That’s not practical though.

Even then, even if every person in the country stuck to the rules 100% it wouldn’t have gone away as the borders remained open the whole period. Remember the government actually ran a promotion eat out to help out in the middle of it all.

Blaming the public for this is way off IMO.

To be fair, that's your opinion. I disagree with it. But we both agree that now is the time to let more people into stadiums.

[HibbyDave]

Open ballot for anyone that applies. £5 entry fee as a fund raiser for the club.

30,000 applications raising £150k overnight.

Win win

[Sir David Gray]

Open ballot for anyone that applies. £5 entry fee as a fund raiser for the club.

30,000 applications raising £150k overnight.

Win win

There shouldn't be any entry fee.

[Danderhall Hibs]

The Edinburgh club members is a funny one - they’ve paid a lot more for their season ticket and it generally guarantees them a ticket for every game. But by giving them all one it would be a bit elitist and go against the charitable, community roots?

[MagicSwirlingShip]

That would not be in good taste imo, especially considering the year some have had financially.

I totally agree!

[Glory Lurker]

I feel sorry for Hibs. This is definitely one occasion where it doesn't matter what they do, folk will feel let down.

[bingo70]

I feel sorry for Hibs. This is definitely one occasion where it doesn't matter what they do, folk will feel let down.

I disagree.

I think most, if not all reasonable people will all understand that it’s impossible to please everyone here.

[Glory Lurker]

I disagree.

I think most, if not all reasonable people will all understand that it’s impossible to please everyone here.

Oh, sure. I think most people will but I expect there will be some gnashing of teeth when it comes. For the record though I won't be moaning if I miss out.

[marinello59]

I disagree.

I think most, if not all reasonable people will all understand that it’s impossible to please everyone here.

Aye, the vast majority will accept their lot. The tiny majority who can’t will shout pretty loud for a while though. :greengrin
I’m looking forward to the day whatever happens, booked in to a pub with a load of Hibbys, most of whom I haven’t seen since lockdown started . I can’t wait.

[hibbysam]

The Edinburgh club members is a funny one - they’ve paid a lot more for their season ticket and it generally guarantees them a ticket for every game. But by giving them all one it would be a bit elitist and go against the charitable, community roots?

I pay far more than a child season ticket holder yet still get lumped in the same category. That’s how it should be though without a loyalty scheme. Nobody, regardless of what they’ve paid, should be above anyone else in the same category.

[Danderhall Hibs]

I pay far more than a child season ticket holder yet still get lumped in the same category. That’s how it should be though without a loyalty scheme. Nobody, regardless of what they’ve paid, should be above anyone else in the same category.

I think it’s only fair everyone with a season ticket for 2020/21 goes into the hat with an equal chance.

It’ll be interesting to see what the club set the criteria as - the Edinburgh club, away “season ticket” holders (like we’ve seen on here already) and probably other groups will all want first dibs.

[hibbysam]

I think it’s only fair everyone with a season ticket for 2020/21 goes into the hat with an equal chance.

It’ll be interesting to see what the club set the criteria as - the Edinburgh club, away “season ticket” holders (like we’ve seen on here already) and probably other groups will all want first dibs.

Totally agree. Depending on what criteria the SG set of course as well. They may make it >18 only, the club may set it that there are no groups at all, things like that could see a number of kids removed from the ballot too. But other than that it should be an ‘all in’ from 20/21 STH’s.

[Killiehibbie]

I think it’s only fair everyone with a season ticket for 2020/21 goes into the hat with an equal chance.

It’ll be interesting to see what the club set the criteria as - the Edinburgh club, away “season ticket” holders (like we’ve seen on here already) and probably other groups will all want first dibs.

Everybody in the hat together, one big happy or unhappy family.

[WhileTheChief..]

Someone earlier objected to the idea of sponsors getting tickets.

After listening to the marketing guy on the podcast here, it’s clear that it’s important to the club to treat our partners well.

Do we just tell them all to shove it? Aren’t they as entitled to be in the ballot as everyone else? Should they get first dibs?

Players families, staff etc all need to come into consideration too.

I’m comfortable that the club will do the right thing. Happy to watch it on the tv and avoid the stress!

[CapitalGreen]

Totally agree. Depending on what criteria the SG set of course as well. They may make it >18 only, the club may set it that there are no groups at all, things like that could see a number of kids removed from the ballot too. But other than that it should be an ‘all in’ from 20/21 STH’s.

I would feel really bad for all those frauds who continually do Hibs out of money by buying children’s season tickets if only over 18s were allowed to attend the final 🤣

[hibbysam]

I would feel really bad for all those frauds who continually do Hibs out of money by buying children’s season tickets if only over 18s were allowed to attend the final 🤣

Would be like certain self employed that I know who got shafted last year because they’d played the books for years, so never got their grants. Then started crying about it. ‘But but but I’m really an adult using this season ticket book so should get a ticket’ 😂

[Logie Green]

The Edinburgh club members is a funny one - they’ve paid a lot more for their season ticket and it generally guarantees them a ticket for every game. But by giving them all one it would be a bit elitist and go against the charitable, community roots?

Whatever happens with the allocation of tickets it’ll certainly be a test of the ‘We are all Hibs’ mantra.

[WhileTheChief..]

Doesn’t tell us anything new but basic statement here…

https://www.hibernianfc.co.uk/article/club-statement-scottish-cup-final

[Eyrie]

There shouldn't be any entry fee.

The only entry fee will be what we paid for our season tickets this time last year.

[Sir David Gray]

The only entry fee will be what we paid for our season tickets this time last year.

Correct.

[gbhibby]

Would be like certain self employed that I know who got shafted last year because they’d played the books for years, so never got their grants. Then started crying about it. ‘But but but I’m really an adult using this season ticket book so should get a ticket’ 😂
How dare you make a comment like that about the self employed are you aware of the numbers of self employed people who did not receive anything from government for a variety of reasons who have committed suicide. It is no laughing matter. You need to have a word with yourself.

[calumhibee1]

Would be like certain self employed that I know who got shafted last year because they’d played the books for years, so never got their grants. Then started crying about it. ‘But but but I’m really an adult using this season ticket book so should get a ticket’ 😂

Aye, I’ve heard a few folk moaning about that. Folk who would tell anyone that would listen that they only earned *insert tax free allowance here* last year while giving you a nudge and a wink :greengrin

[marinello59]

Whatever happens with the allocation of tickets it’ll certainly be a test of the ‘We are all Hibs’ mantra.

We have three season tickets in our household and if I get one I’ll be saying nothing to the other two, they’d nick it without a moments thought. We are in a war situation here. :greengrin

[hibbysam]

How dare you make a comment like that about the self employed are you aware of the numbers of self employed people who did not receive anything from government for a variety of reasons who have committed suicide. It is no laughing matter. You need to have a word with yourself.

Excuse me? It wasn’t a comment about all self employed, it was a comment about people I know personally, who received nothing because they’d fudged their books previously. I’m well aware plenty never received anything, my comment had nothing to do with them. Simmer.

[BoomtownHibees]

How dare you make a comment like that about the self employed are you aware of the numbers of self employed people who did not receive anything from government for a variety of reasons who have committed suicide. It is no laughing matter. You need to have a word with yourself.

I don’t think the post was about all self employed folk. In fact, it even said it was self employed folk that he knew

[calumhibee1]

How dare you make a comment like that about the self employed are you aware of the numbers of self employed people who did not receive anything from government for a variety of reasons who have committed suicide. It is no laughing matter. You need to have a word with yourself.

If they’ve declared their taxes then it’s not aimed at them. Infact if hibbysam doesn’t know them then it’s not aimed at them. That was the reason mentioned in the post so the variety of reasons folk didn’t get it aren’t really applicable in terms of who it was aimed at.

[gbhibby]

Excuse me? It wasn’t a comment about all self employed, it was a comment about people I know personally, who received nothing because they’d fudged their books previously. I’m well aware plenty never received anything, my comment had nothing to do with them. Simmer.
Do you know all the criteria for getting self employment
Grants? I do. The self employed were means tested companies were not. If they had not did their accounts correctly they deserve it. Why did you not mention the companies who have had their tax loopholes closed. Why pick on the self employed? Are you aware 3million self employed received nothing from the government, are they all account fudgers.

[hibbysam]

Do you know all the criteria for getting self employment
Grants? I do. The self employed were means tested companies were not. If they had not did their accounts correctly they deserve it. Why did you not mention the companies who have had their tax loopholes closed. Why pick on the self employed?

Individuals buy child’s season tickets, individuals fudged their books and got found out. Get off your high horse, it was a throw away comparison, something equally funny on both ends.

[SMAXXA]

Do you know all the criteria for getting self employment
Grants? I do. The self employed were means tested companies were not. If they had not did their accounts correctly they deserve it. Why did you not mention the companies who have had their tax loopholes closed. Why pick on the self employed? Are you aware 3million self employed received nothing from the government, are they all account fudgers.

I recon you need to calm down and see it for what it clearly was

[gbhibby]

Individuals buy child’s season tickets, individuals fudged their books and got found out. Get off your high horse, it was a throw away comparison, something equally funny on both ends.
Did not find it funny. Clearly you have issues withe the self employed.

[hibbysam]

Did not find it funny. Clearly you have issues withe the self employed.

Aye, you must be right.

[tam4hibs]

Did not find it funny. Clearly you have issues withe the self employed.

Or another view, I’m self employed and took no issue with the post. In fact a fair comparison of some people he knew that tried to play the system (like U18 STs) then cry when it no longer works in favour. Many a friend of mine, same role as me, were coy with their s/e numbers but first to moan when they couldn’t get a mortgage. The old, ‘aye but that’s no what I really earn...’

Cake and eat it etc. (Albeit a phrase ive never understood).

I’m with the original poster... taken the wrong way or far to personally.

Sorry, tuppence worth. Back on topic. As you were.

[lord bunberry]

Hibs need to make this as uncomplicated as possible. All season ticket holders from this season should go into a ballot and picked randomly. I’d imagine a few will turn down the option as they won’t want to go without others in their group, so a reserve list will be needed. If the numbers aloud are tiny there could be a few hundred strangers in each end.

[B.H.F.C]

Hibs need to make this as uncomplicated as possible. All season ticket holders from this season should go into a ballot and picked randomly. I’d imagine a few will turn down the option as they won’t want to go without others in their group, so a reserve list will be needed. If the numbers aloud are tiny there could be a few hundred strangers in each end.

Think they’ll need people to opt in rather than just stick everyone in the ballot in the first place, then have to redraw etc. Probably have to leave kids out as well.

[hibbysam]

Think they’ll need people to opt in rather than just stick everyone in the ballot in the first place, then have to redraw etc. Probably have to leave kids out as well.

Yeah I’d expect well hear by close of play Thursday numbers and details etc. Will then have until the end of the week to apply, draw on Monday with tickets to be collected on Thursday/Friday next week. Can’t see them just drawing it from every person then having to redraw time and again.

[gbhibby]

There seems to be different numbers of how many will be allowed at the match. Keith Jackson an hour ago say SFA are asking for 2000 but earlier in the day BBC reporting a request for 3000. Anyone seen any other numbers quoted?

[marinello59]

There seems to be different numbers of how many will be allowed at the match. Keith Jackson an hour ago say SFA are asking for 2000 but earlier in the day BBC reporting a request for 3000. Anyone seen any other numbers quoted?

The figures that stuck in my mind was between 1500 and 3000 fans.

[hibbysam]

There seems to be different numbers of how many will be allowed at the match. Keith Jackson an hour ago say SFA are asking for 2000 but earlier in the day BBC reporting a request for 3000. Anyone seen any other numbers quoted?

Think news outlets are just making numbers up. Chris McLaughlin was on The Nine earlier saying they don’t know the numbers yet and will need to wait and see. As much as the SFA have made a balls of the whole thing, I’d imagine they’re in dialogue with the government about how much they can squeeze out of them, would think around 5000 will be the final number though.

[gbhibby]

The figures that stuck in my mind was between 1500 and 3000 fans.
Hopefully get more, 5000 would be 1/10 capacity. Wales allowing 4000 in the Cardiff City stadium.
Logistics need to be worked out.

[Sir David Gray]

Hopefully get more, 5000 would be 1/10 capacity. Wales allowing 4000 in the Cardiff City stadium.
Logistics need to be worked out.

I doubt if it will be any more than 3,000 which was the higher number quoted earlier.

[gbhibby]

Think news outlets are just making numbers up. Chris McLaughlin was on The Nine earlier saying they don’t know the numbers yet and will need to wait and see. As much as the SFA have made a balls of the whole thing, I’d imagine they’re in dialogue with the government about how much they can squeeze out of them, would think around 5000 will be the final number though.
Agree 5000 can be socially distanced, but fans being fans will join up as recently happened at Wembley. The authorities need to make a decision ASAP. Should be a free Hibs mask given to fans at Hampden.

[greenlex]

Disagree.

It was a pandemic, it wasn’t going away completely unless things were properly locked down and people never left the house. That’s not practical though.

Even then, even if every person in the country stuck to the rules 100% it wouldn’t have gone away as the borders remained open the whole period. Remember the government actually ran a promotion eat out to help out in the middle of it all.

Blaming the public for this is way off IMO.
Still think the best policy is leave it to the folk who know what they are talking about and are paid as such. If they are cautious about letting too many fans in at any one time then I’m fine waiting till they think it’s better in the long run. The last thing we need to do is **** it up now fir the want of a wait and see over the next few months.

[lord bunberry]

Think they’ll need people to opt in rather than just stick everyone in the ballot in the first place, then have to redraw etc. Probably have to leave kids out as well.
I just wonder how quickly that can be done.

[bingo70]

Still think the best policy is leave it to the folk who know what they are talking about and are paid as such. If they are cautious about letting too many fans in at any one time then I’m fine waiting till they think it’s better in the long run. The last thing we need to do is **** it up now fir the want of a wait and see over the next few months.

There’s not a few months between our cup final and the euros at Hampden though? If it’s safe for the euros it’s safe for us to get more than 3,000 into the cup final.

I’d also suggest that enough time has now passed since the rave in Liverpool, the thousand people at the crucible, the fans at Wembley for the league cup final to know that you can get more than 3,000 people into a 52,000 seater stadium to know that it doesn’t pose a risk of putting the NHS under pressure.

Just because our government hasn’t run these trials doesn’t mean we can learn from a distance about them.

[hibee-boys]

Hardly worth all the bother for a maximum of 3,000 fans. I’d rather sit with my mates in the boozer.