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DIXIHIBS
12-05-2021, 01:48 PM
You can guarantee if it was either side of the ugly sisters, there would be huge pressure to increase it from 1500 each
The whole problem would have been sorted weeks ago if the uglies were involved. This should have been dealt with after the quarters but as no old firm in semi final the SFA ignored it.
SteveHFC
12-05-2021, 01:48 PM
You can guarantee if it was either side of the ugly sisters, there would be huge pressure to increase it from 1500 each
Who can both clubs blame here?
MagicSwirlingShip
12-05-2021, 01:50 PM
Who can both clubs blame here?
Petrie!!!
ian cruise
12-05-2021, 01:52 PM
Finally, a debate over Away Season Tickets and loyalty points. Things are definitely returning to normal 😁
DIXIHIBS
12-05-2021, 01:53 PM
This is where it comes back to being supposed to be grateful for whatever scraps they throw at us.
Why?
There’s no reason for such a ***** number and there’s no justification for it.
Will be the same at the start of next season when we’ll have to be grateful they’ve let us have 500 people in for the start of the season.
No reason why we can’t have full houses at the start of next season, the fact we are just accepting such a **** amount for this final makes me think we will just roll over meekly next season too which is what worries me.
I think the amount is so small because of the time factor. If this had been dealt with weeks ago all security/covid issues coule have sorted, not with 10 days to go. Shamblolic effort from the football authorities.
Jamesie
12-05-2021, 01:54 PM
900 tickets each is laughable considering what's happening elsewhere in the UK with other events.
Agreed, and to try and suggest 3000 overall in a 52000 capacity stadium isn’t doable is a pee-take of the highest order.
calumhibee1
12-05-2021, 01:54 PM
This is where it comes back to being supposed to be grateful for whatever scraps they throw at us.
Why?
There’s no reason for such a ***** number and there’s no justification for it.
Will be the same at the start of next season when we’ll have to be grateful they’ve let us have 500 people in for the start of the season.
No reason why we can’t have full houses at the start of next season, the fact we are just accepting such a **** amount for this final makes me think we will just roll over meekly next season too which is what worries me.
Spot on.
The idea that we should just be happy there’s going to be more than 0 doesn’t make sense to me.
The same logic kept getting mentioned on the Coronavirus thread. Despite the fact all our numbers were level 2 which would allow much more options for exercise and meeting family indoors some folk were desperate to tell us we should just be happy we were in level 3 rather than level 4. **** that.
Good luck to whoever gets the tickets and I hope they have a great day. It doesn’t change the fact that whoever is making these decisions is absolutely miles off it.
bingo70
12-05-2021, 01:55 PM
I think the amount is so small because of the time factor. If this had been dealt with weeks ago all security/covid issues coule have sorted, not with 10 days to go. Shamblolic effort from the football authorities.
I don’t think that argument stands up to any scrutiny either.
There’s plans in place to deal with 13,000 what 3 or 4 weeks later? Use the same plans for us but with 10,000
In fact, our game could help that as it would give them an idea of the challenges they will face.
loanheadhibby
12-05-2021, 01:56 PM
Who can both clubs blame here?
I blame Hibs fairly and squarely. Only Hibs can qualify for Scottish Cup Final during a pandemic! Jack Ross could have kept it for next season!
gbhibby
12-05-2021, 01:57 PM
I'm not sugggesting anything. I'm confirming 100% that I knew guys who couldn't get tickets, including a couple of mates that attended maybe a dozen or so matches per season at ER. One of them was pretty pally with Matty Jack and even he couldn't do anything for him.
IIRC ST holders were given priority but with no limit on the number of tickets which meant there were almost none left for public sale.
When the public sale happened there were huge queues for limited tickets. Hibs asked for more tickets from the powers that be but did not get them. Some people at my table at Hospitality had the same issues,especially when you saw all the empty seats which could have been sold to Hibs fans.
calumhibee1
12-05-2021, 01:58 PM
I don’t think that argument stands up to any scrutiny either.
There’s plans in place to deal with 13,000 what 3 or 4 weeks later? Use the same plans for us but with 10,000
In fact, our game could help that as it would give them an idea of the challenges they will face.
:agree:
Put simply, there’s no excuse will stand up to scrutiny for this.
CapitalGreen
12-05-2021, 01:58 PM
In which case you could forego your ticket. I am going to wait and see what the distribution is before I am disgusted or annoyed. Makes my life a bit easier. BUT if AST are given tickets then I will not complain, totally selfish attitude but true non the less.
I know how the system works. Myself as an away season ticket holder has spent the exact same amount of money as a regular season ticket holder has attending Hibs games this season. I’ve have done nothing to warrant an added benefit over other fans except sign up for something last summer which required no financial outlay on my part.
DIXIHIBS
12-05-2021, 02:00 PM
I don’t think that argument stands up to any scrutiny either.
There’s plans in place to deal with 13,000 what 3 or 4 weeks later? Use the same plans for us but with 10,000
In fact, our game could help that as it would give them an idea of the challenges they will face.
I agree there should be far more than 3000 but the 13000 at the euros would not happen with 10 days notice. It is all too late.
calumhibee1
12-05-2021, 02:01 PM
I agree there should be far more than 3000 but the 13000 at the euros would not happen with 10 days notice. It is all too late.
The Scottish Cup final didn’t come round with 10 days notice though.
Peevemor
12-05-2021, 02:03 PM
:agree:
Put simply, there’s no excuse will stand up to scrutiny for this.
I think it's more that whatever anyone says, some people won't believe them.
greenlad
12-05-2021, 02:03 PM
As someone who in ordinary times goes to 90%+ of all away games so was placed very well for the old Loyalty points scheme, but chose not to join the AST when it started as there's maybe 2-3 games a year (Ibrox, holiday times) I can't commit to, I still think there's a good case to be made to prioritise the few hundred ASTs over sponsors, players family and NHS workers and at least ring fence that portion of whatever allocation there eventually is.
Yes - the season playing out as it has means that the ASTs haven't actually paid anymore than other STHs this season, but the point is by signing up they were committing to go to away games if and when it recommenced.
There will be folk in the AST who literally haven't missed a game for 20 years plus, home or away (other than this season obviously) and it would be a small gesture to these people's commitment to get the nod here. You know full well it will be the same faces you will see at away matches once we are back to normal and it would be ridiculous if the most regular of supporters miss out due to the quirks of Government intransigence over allocation and where the game falls on the calendar.
DIXIHIBS
12-05-2021, 02:03 PM
The Scottish Cup final didn’t come round with 10 days notice though.
That was my point. We have known for months when the final would be and nothing was done until just over a week before the event. There is no excuse for that.
lucky
12-05-2021, 02:10 PM
I’m an AST holder, I’d be disgusted if I was prioritised ahead of other season ticket holders for the final.
Why would that be the case? AST holders have never had priority over cup final tickets. Also AST holders have not put any more money into the club than ST holders. It should be a draw of ST.
Just Alf
12-05-2021, 02:11 PM
900 tickets each is laughable considering what's happening elsewhere in the UK with other events.
Totally agree, the Scot Gov own guidelines give the possibility of more headroom, why are the SFA not push towards the maximum achievable?
Gordy M
12-05-2021, 02:11 PM
:agree:
Put simply, there’s no excuse will stand up to scrutiny for this.
Genuine question, if you think there should be c10000 spectators, and its relatively easy to arrange, then why do you think only c3000 has been allegedly requested, bearing in mind its the SFAs showpiece of the season and i would imagine they want it to go as well as expected?
Juniper Greens
12-05-2021, 02:12 PM
I don't think its certain there will be fans there. Numbers have really jumped in Glasgow the last couple of days, could see them being left in level 3
Bertie's XI
12-05-2021, 02:12 PM
as someone who in ordinary times goes to 90%+ of all away games so was placed very well for the old loyalty points scheme, but chose not to join the ast when it started as there's maybe 2-3 games a year (ibrox, holiday times) i can't commit to, i still think there's a good case to be made to prioritise the few hundred asts over sponsors, players family and nhs workers and at least ring fence that portion of whatever allocation there eventually is.
Yes - the season playing out as it has means that the asts haven't actually paid anymore than other sths this season, but the point is by signing up they were committing to go to away games if and when it recommenced.
There will be folk in the ast who literally haven't missed a game for 20 years plus, home or away (other than this season obviously) and it would be a small gesture to these people's commitment to get the nod here. You know full well it will be the same faces you will see at away matches once we are back to normal and it would be ridiculous if the most regular of supporters miss out due to the quirks of government intransigence over allocation and where the game falls on the calendar.
this is 100% spot on!!
calumhibee1
12-05-2021, 02:12 PM
I think it's more that whatever anyone says, some people won't believe them.
I don’t think that’ll be the case with what Hibs say. If Hibs come out and tell us why there could only be 2000 fans then I think most people will accept that it’s out of Hibs hands.
Whatever ***** the SFA or Scot Gov come out with though then I don’t blame people for not believing a word they say when they trot out their excuses for such pathetic numbers.
calumhibee1
12-05-2021, 02:15 PM
Genuine question, if you think there should be c10000 spectators, and its relatively easy to arrange, then why do you think only c3000 has been allegedly requested, bearing in mind its the SFAs showpiece of the season and i would imagine they want it to go as well as expected?
Because there is no appetite to make it happen from SFA and SG. Hence why nothing was done until there was pressure from fans.
The SFA have been sitting watching English teams have fans at some games for over a month now. Until there was pressure put on them after the semi finals there was absolutely no suggestion any fans could be there.
Why the SFA wouldn’t have the appetite I’ve no idea - cost maybe? Too much hassle? Who knows.
Why the Scot Gov wouldn’t have the appetite? Well that’s anyone’s guess really having seen some of their inexplicable decisions recently.
There’s a plan in place to have 13k there in a months time. It really shouldn’t have been too difficult to have a plan for 10k to be at this game.
Just Alf
12-05-2021, 02:20 PM
Because there is no appetite to make it happen from SFA and SG. Hence why nothing was done until there was pressure from fans.
The SFA have been sitting watching English teams have fans at some games for over a month now. Until there was pressure put on them after the semi finals there was absolutely no suggestion any fans could be there.
Why the SFA wouldn’t have the appetite I’ve no idea - cost maybe? Too much hassle? Who knows.
Why the Scot Gov wouldn’t have the appetite? Well that’s anyone’s guess really having seen some of their inexplicable decisions recently.
There’s a plan in place to have 13k there in a months time. It really shouldn’t have been too difficult to have a plan for 10k to be at this game.
The Scot Gov position (before this latest relaxation) was.....
"Event organisers are also able to submit plans to local authorities for events for up to 5000 people, while the Scottish Government will examine any proposals for crowds of more than 5000"
of course they might've been asked and refused :confused:
Gordy M
12-05-2021, 02:21 PM
Because there is no appetite to make it happen from SFA and SG. Hence why nothing was done until there was pressure from fans.
The SFA have been sitting watching English teams have fans at some games for over a month now. Until there was pressure put on them after the semi finals there was absolutely no suggestion any fans could be there.
Why the SFA wouldn’t have the appetite I’ve no idea - cost maybe? Too much hassle? Who knows.
Why the Scot Gov wouldn’t have the appetite? Well that’s anyone’s guess really having seen some of their inexplicable decisions recently.
There’s a plan in place to have 13k there in a months time. It really shouldn’t have been too difficult to have a plan for 10k to be at this game.
Im not sure about all that, why would it be too much hassle for 10k but not 3k? Basically the same infrastructure and 'hassle' would have to take place, would it not?
Peevemor
12-05-2021, 02:21 PM
I don’t think that’ll be the case with what Hibs say. If Hibs come out and tell us why there could only be 2000 fans then I think most people will accept that it’s out of Hibs hands.
Whatever ***** the SFA or Scot Gov come out with though then I don’t blame people for not believing a word they say when they trot out their excuses for such pathetic numbers.
But why would the SFA or the SG want to restrict the number of spectators if there wasn't a good reason?
Whether we as non-experts agree or not, if the powers that be reckon that it's simply too soon and too risky and that a couple of weeks will make a substantial difference for other events, then why can't people accept that?
I consider myself to be reasonably intelligent and there are many things that have gone on over the past year that have had me scratching my head, but never for one minute have I presumed to know more than the experts. I don't see the need for there to be a baddie that we can accuse of whatever.
Disappointment I understand. Rage however ...
greenlex
12-05-2021, 02:23 PM
But why would the SFA or the SG want to restrict the number of spectators if there wasn't a good reason?
Whether we as non-experts agree or not, if the powers that be reckon that it's simply too soon and too risky and that a couple of weeks will make a substantial difference for other events, then why can't people accept that?
I consider myself to be reasonably intelligent and there are many things that have gone on over the past year that have had me scratching my head, but never for one minute have I presumed to know more than the experts. I don't see the need for there to be a baddie that we can accuse of whatever.
Disappointment I understand. Rage however ...
You are wasting your time. Everyone and their dug knows best.
But why would the SFA or the SG want to restrict the number of spectators if there wasn't a good reason?
Whether we as non-experts agree or not, if the powers that be reckon that it's simply too soon and too risky and that a couple of weeks will make a substantial difference for other events, then why can't people accept that?
I consider myself to be reasonably intelligent and there are many things that have gone on over the past year that have had me scratching my head, but never for one minute have I presumed to know more than the experts. I don't see the need for there to be a baddie that we can accuse of whatever.
Disappointment I understand. Rage however ...
Nailed it
Shrekko
12-05-2021, 02:25 PM
That was my point. We have known for months when the final would be and nothing was done until just over a week before the event. There is no excuse for that.
It's surely because it was only confirmed for sure we were going into tier 2 a couple of days ago? Before that we couldn't contemplate crowds at all.
Not saying I agree with it being such a low number btw.
blackpoolhibs
12-05-2021, 02:25 PM
But why would the SFA or the SG want to restrict the number of spectators if there wasn't a good reason?
Whether we as non-experts agree or not, if the powers that be reckon that it's simply too soon and too risky and that a couple of weeks will make a substantial difference for other events, then why can't people accept that?
I consider myself to be reasonably intelligent and there are many things that have gone on over the past year that have had me scratching my head, but never for one minute have I presumed to know more than the experts. I don't see the need for there to be a baddie that we can accuse of whatever.
Disappointment I understand. Rage however ...
I'm with you, but i would like to hear the reasons.
danhibees1875
12-05-2021, 02:27 PM
I don't think its certain there will be fans there. Numbers have really jumped in Glasgow the last couple of days, could see them being left in level 3
So they allow fans and put Glasgow into level 3.
Only away season ticket holders with a G postcode can go. :dunno:
Gordy M
12-05-2021, 02:27 PM
Anyone think that they dont want to announce 10k in case other teams, old firm etc, demand that fans are present at their last league games, esp the ramgers?
Sir David Gray
12-05-2021, 02:29 PM
https://twitter.com/kheredine2018/status/1392468486585294848?s=21
Not going to be many left up for grabs once players families, club staff and sponsors are taken care of.
That's pitiful.
calumhibee1
12-05-2021, 02:29 PM
But why would the SFA or the SG want to restrict the number of spectators if there wasn't a good reason?
Whether we as non-experts agree or not, if the powers that be reckon that it's simply too soon and too risky and that a couple of weeks will make a substantial difference for other events, then why can't people accept that?
I consider myself to be reasonably intelligent and there are many things that have gone on over the past year that have had me scratching my head, but never for one minute have I presumed to know more than the experts. I don't see the need for there to be a baddie that we can accuse of whatever.
Disappointment I understand. Rage however ...
The SG have ignored all the data they’ve said they’d follow for absolutely ages now. They don’t give anybody good reasons for anything they do, so I’ll not hold my breath for them doing it this time round.
Sir David Gray
12-05-2021, 02:30 PM
So they allow fans and put Glasgow into level 3.
Only away season ticket holders with a G postcode can go. :dunno:
Only drive-in events are allowed in level 3, they should put a big screen up in the car park!
Brightside
12-05-2021, 02:31 PM
Anyone think that they dont want to announce 10k in case other teams, old firm etc, demand that fans are present at their last league games, esp the ramgers?
If anyone thinks that then they have too much time on their hands.
DIXIHIBS
12-05-2021, 02:31 PM
It's surely because it was only confirmed for sure we were going into tier 2 a couple of days ago? Before that we couldn't contemplate crowds at all.
Not saying I agree with it being such a low number btw.
Thats true but surely plans could have been made with the possibility of tier 2. The may 17th date for a likely tier 2 announcement was known several weeks ago.
Just Alf
12-05-2021, 02:32 PM
The SG have ignored all the data they’ve said they’d follow for absolutely ages now. They don’t give anybody good reasons for anything they do, so I’ll not hold my breath for them doing it this time round.
For accuracy.... up to 5000 is the local council
Edit, and to be fair, we don't even know if the council/Scot Gov have even been asked.
Peevemor
12-05-2021, 02:33 PM
The SG have ignored all the data they’ve said they’d follow for absolutely ages now. They don’t give anybody good reasons for anything they do, so I’ll not hold my breath for them doing it this time round.
I get the impression that the SG have had a fair bit of praise for their handling of the pandemic and for not following blindly how things have been done in England, yet you don't trust them? That's your prerogative i suppose.
bingo70
12-05-2021, 02:34 PM
But why would the SFA or the SG want to restrict the number of spectators if there wasn't a good reason?
Whether we as non-experts agree or not, if the powers that be reckon that it's simply too soon and too risky and that a couple of weeks will make a substantial difference for other events, then why can't people accept that?
I consider myself to be reasonably intelligent and there are many things that have gone on over the past year that have had me scratching my head, but never for one minute have I presumed to know more than the experts. I don't see the need for there to be a baddie that we can accuse of whatever.
Disappointment I understand. Rage however ...
Do you think you know more than the experts down south who are saying it’s fine for crowds this size to go to football matches?
I think there’s been little appetite for it because the Scottish government have been far too cautious and slow coming out of lockdown. I think rather than the SFA challenging this they have taken the lazy option to do nothing as it would only cost them money and hassle, not make them money.
They are hoping giving us and St Johnstone 3,000 tickets will shut us up while causing them minimal hassle to organise.
Incidentally, just so you know this isn’t political, I am in general a big supporter of this Scottish government, I have never voted for anybody other than SNP in my life. I think as a country our route map out of this pandemic has been abysmal though.
calumhibee1
12-05-2021, 02:36 PM
I get the impression that the SG have had a fair bit of praise for their handling of the pandemic and for not following blindly how things have been done in England, yet you don't trust them? That's your prerogative i suppose.
Had being the key word there. Not recently.
calumhibee1
12-05-2021, 02:36 PM
Do you think you know more than the experts down south who are saying it’s fine for crowds this size to go to football matches?
I think there’s been little appetite for it because the Scottish government have been far too cautious and slow coming out of lockdown. I think rather than the SFA challenging this they have taken the lazy option to do nothing as it would only cost them money and hassle, not make them money.
They are hoping giving us and St Johnstone 3,000 tickets will shut us up while causing them minimal hassle to organise.
Incidentally, just so you know this isn’t political, I am in general a big supporter of this Scottish government, I have never voted for anybody other than SNP in my life. I think as a country our route map out of this pandemic has been abysmal though.
:agree:
Agree with every word of this. Including the having voted SNP all my life.
bingo70
12-05-2021, 02:37 PM
I get the impression that the SG have had a fair bit of praise for their handling of the pandemic and for not following blindly how things have been done in England, yet you don't trust them? That's your prerogative i suppose.
They’ve rightly had praise for how they’ve dealt with the pandemic at its worst. I think how they’ve dealt with coming out of it has attracted a fair amount of criticism, again I think that criticism is fair.
No meaningful test events is very very poor.
Peevemor
12-05-2021, 02:42 PM
Do you think you know more than the experts down south who are saying it’s fine for crowds this size to go to football matches?
I think there’s been little appetite for it because the Scottish government have been far too cautious and slow coming out of lockdown. I think rather than the SFA challenging this they have taken the lazy option to do nothing as it would only cost them money and hassle, not make them money.
They are hoping giving us and St Johnstone 3,000 tickets will shut us up while causing them minimal hassle to organise.
Incidentally, just so you know this isn’t political, I am in general a big supporter of this Scottish government, I have never voted for anybody other than SNP in my life. I think as a country our route map out of this pandemic has been abysmal though.
Different experts will give different advice - we've seen an enormous amount of contradiction over the past year. Those in power have to decide what advice to follow. Countries that were being praised for their handling of the pandemic were being slaughtered 3 months later and vice versa.
I've said repeatedly over the past year that I'm glad I don't have to decide - whatever is decided will be criticised by someone.
Is the SG being too cautious? Are the crowds expected at upcoming events to much too soon? We'll know in a couple of month's time.
As for "shutting us up" - that's nonsense.
Had they stuck to the original plan of playing the match behind closed doors then there would have been far less bumping of gums than we're currently experiencing.
The SG will do what they think is right regardless of what we or St Johnstone's fans think.
The SFA will want as many as possible at the match - why would they not?
DIXIHIBS
12-05-2021, 02:46 PM
I don't think its certain there will be fans there. Numbers have really jumped in Glasgow the last couple of days, could see them being left in level 3
Aye just read that. Southside of glasgow(hampden). Looks like the indian variant in the large asian community that lives in that area.
Hibs90
12-05-2021, 02:55 PM
I think the government have done a good job with the easing of restrictions. You have to remember that Scotland was always a couple of weeks behind England in the trends with regards to cases and deaths. Cautious approach was the right one to help save more lives.
In saying that the number that is being touted is quite poor. I'd have expected 5000/6000 or so would've been alright and manageable.
Obviously we have to keep an eye on the number of Covid cases but now with the vaccination programme at an advanced stage it has to be hospitalisation that is the key figure?
Hopefully the majority of cases are controlled in their severity by the vaccine and we can monitor it more like seasonal flu.
Hibs Class
12-05-2021, 03:19 PM
I wouldn’t be surprised if you can’t transfer your ticket over to your son. I’d imagine there’d be some form of ID potentially required.
I had the foresight 25+ years ago to name my son after me.....as long as they don't check birthdays!
loanheadhibby
12-05-2021, 03:20 PM
But why would the SFA or the SG want to restrict the number of spectators if there wasn't a good reason?
Whether we as non-experts agree or not, if the powers that be reckon that it's simply too soon and too risky and that a couple of weeks will make a substantial difference for other events, then why can't people accept that?
I consider myself to be reasonably intelligent and there are many things that have gone on over the past year that have had me scratching my head, but never for one minute have I presumed to know more than the experts. I don't see the need for there to be a baddie that we can accuse of whatever.
Disappointment I understand. Rage however ...
You’re absolutely right that the experts know better than us know all’s. Not disputing that but you also have to take into account where figures are today. The lowest since last year, huge amounts of Scotland vaccinated, deaths at an all time low from COVID..
We have to learn to live with it now. The transition to opening up appears far too cautious by our experts. We can’t live in fear of COVID for the rest of our lives?
Even if there is a spike, the NHS have plenty capacity to cope. There has been no real spike since the schools re-opened.
What is the actual chance of catching it at an outdoor event that is structured?
Peevemor
12-05-2021, 03:26 PM
You’re absolutely right that the experts know better than us know all’s. Not disputing that but you also have to take into account where figures are today. The lowest since last year, huge amounts of Scotland vaccinated, deaths at an all time low from COVID..
We have to learn to live with it now. The transition to opening up appears far too cautious by our experts. We can’t live in fear of COVID for the rest of our lives?
Even if there is a spike, the NHS have plenty capacity to cope. There has been no real spike since the schools re-opened.
What is the actual chance of catching it at an outdoor event that is structured?
What's the chance of catching it on a bus or a train going to and from the match?
What's the chance in catching it from crowding into the bogs at half time, touching door handles, turnstyles etc.?
I honestly don't know the answers.
hibbysam
12-05-2021, 03:32 PM
I think the amount is so small because of the time factor. If this had been dealt with weeks ago all security/covid issues coule have sorted, not with 10 days to go. Shamblolic effort from the football authorities.
Security and Covid issues should be covered in the Euro2021 host venue papers. All protocols are already in place for those games, copy and paste, easy.
calumhibee1
12-05-2021, 03:33 PM
What's the chance of catching it on a bus or a train going to and from the match?
What's the chance in catching it from crowding into the bogs at half time, touching door handles, turnstyles etc.?
I honestly don't know the answers.
Trains and buses have a limited capacity so the risk is really no larger than it would be if you were going shopping or to a restaurant on a bus or train.
With regards to the toilets etc (and travel actually I suppose) I’m sure that’ll all be covered in the risk assesment for the Euros. It’s not an issue for they games though, of course.
PeeKay
12-05-2021, 03:33 PM
Huns fans will gather in their thousands at the weekend. Police Scotland will take no action (again) but the Scottish Government will punish them by not allowing any fans into Hampden for the final. And if we win, just wait to see how understanding Police Scotland is when we try to gather in Leith.
hibbysam
12-05-2021, 03:39 PM
Different experts will give different advice - we've seen an enormous amount of contradiction over the past year. Those in power have to decide what advice to follow. Countries that were being praised for their handling of the pandemic were being slaughtered 3 months later and vice versa.
I've said repeatedly over the past year that I'm glad I don't have to decide - whatever is decided will be criticised by someone.
Is the SG being too cautious? Are the crowds expected at upcoming events to much too soon? We'll know in a couple of month's time.
As for "shutting us up" - that's nonsense.
Had they stuck to the original plan of playing the match behind closed doors then there would have been far less bumping of gums than we're currently experiencing.
The SG will do what they think is right regardless of what we or St Johnstone's fans think.
The SFA will want as many as possible at the match - why would they not?
Whether too cautious or not, going from 0 to 12,000 is mental. Surely you can see there should be test events, like the English have done, taking stock at each stage and building up to normality. It’s lazy. There’s little risk to it other than those who attend, and that’s their choice. Tests before, tests after, scientists watching people’s every moves, understanding what’s happening etc.
500 in a 2000 stadium or 2000 in a 52000 stadium, sorry for not understanding the logic at all.
SQHib
12-05-2021, 03:49 PM
What's the chance of catching it on a bus or a train going to and from the match?
What's the chance in catching it from crowding into the bogs at half time, touching door handles, turnstyles etc.?
I honestly don't know the answers.
I can guarantee that there will be more people visit that big asda next to hampden (indoors , crowded , no toilet segration , everyone touching door handles , checkouts etc between 2pm and 5pm on cup final day than visit hampden ( outdoors ) - its not the chances of catching it or not ....it's the complete and utter irrational and illogical rules that the SG set for numbers etc that are driving everybody mad .. disdain for football fans and hospitality ... as well as the arts shine through from this weary willy presbeterian govt ..
bigwheel
12-05-2021, 03:52 PM
Whether too cautious or not, going from 0 to 12,000 is mental. Surely you can see there should be test events, like the English have done, taking stock at each stage and building up to normality. It’s lazy. There’s little risk to it other than those who attend, and that’s their choice. Tests before, tests after, scientists watching people’s every moves, understanding what’s happening etc.
500 in a 2000 stadium or 2000 in a 52000 stadium, sorry for not understanding the logic at all.
How’s it mental ? Give people some credit - they can turn up and follow basic measures ...no reason to treat us like children
hibbysam
12-05-2021, 03:55 PM
How’s it mental ? Give people some credit - they can turn up and follow basic measures ...no reason to treat us like children
It’s mental because they should have been building up to it by having events gaining numbers like they have down south. People can follow instructions, but those in charge have no idea how it is going to go, not because of the people but because of the virus itself.
bigwheel
12-05-2021, 04:01 PM
It’s mental because they should have been building up to it by having events gaining numbers like they have down south. People can follow instructions, but those in charge have no idea how it is going to go, not because of the people but because of the virus itself.
They’ve got a plan for 12000 already for the euros - just use that It’s not difficult
hibbysam
12-05-2021, 04:06 PM
They’ve got a plan for 12000 already for the euros - just use that It’s not difficult
I’d agree with that, my point was more around this token gesture of next to no fans. If they had built it up theyd have more confidence in letting more fans in, and it would have been planned rather than rushed through last minute.
Onion
12-05-2021, 04:12 PM
Huns fans will gather in their thousands at the weekend. Police Scotland will take no action (again) but the Scottish Government will punish them by not allowing any fans into Hampden for the final. And if we win, just wait to see how understanding Police Scotland is when we try to gather in Leith.
The Police will do next to nothing about folk gathering in Leith. We'll be at L2, which is miles from the lockdown status the Huns breached. Weddings of 50 people, 8 from 8 households, 250 standing events outdoors all allowed. The only folk in blue who can stop Hibs fans celebrating come from Perth.
bigwheel
12-05-2021, 04:16 PM
I’d agree with that, my point was more around this token gesture of next to no fans. If they had built it up theyd have more confidence in letting more fans in, and it would have been planned rather than rushed through last minute.
Fair enough. I think the authorities are making a meal of it . No reason why we couldn’t have 20000 in ..masks compulsory, stopped at entry if anyone too drunk or misbehaviour ...at people’s own risk ..
Would be absolutely fine
hibbysam
12-05-2021, 04:17 PM
Fair enough. I think the authorities are making a meal of it . No reason why we couldn’t have 20000 in ..masks compulsory, stopped at entry if anyone too drunk or misbehaviour ...at people’s own risk ..
Would be absolutely fine
Agreed.
PatHead
12-05-2021, 04:18 PM
Notice the figures in Glasgow are getting much worse. They wouldn't qualify for level 2 now.
Watch this, we will all be going nuts about the allocation and they will change it that no fans can go.
Billy Whizz
12-05-2021, 04:21 PM
Notice the figures in Glasgow are getting much worse. They wouldn't qualify for level 2 now.
Watch this, we will all be going nuts about the allocation and they will change it that no fans can go.
Some of the big shopping centres will have more than 30,000 or so in on an average days trading
Peevemor
12-05-2021, 04:24 PM
Shopping Centres are the Covid equivalent of Godwin's law.
Sir David Gray
12-05-2021, 04:24 PM
Notice the figures in Glasgow are getting much worse. They wouldn't qualify for level 2 now.
Watch this, we will all be going nuts about the allocation and they will change it that no fans can go.
Glasgow should be remaining in level 3 which, as far as people attending events is concerned, would mean drive-in events only.
If it's done to the letter of the law then Hampden shouldn't be hosting any fans for the cup final right now.
PatHead
12-05-2021, 04:53 PM
Some of the big shopping centres will have more than 30,000 or so in on an average days trading
Not disputing that Billy. Just highlighting a potential problem. Knowing my luck I will get a ticket and we will get barred.
Ringothedog
12-05-2021, 05:20 PM
Glasgow should be remaining in level 3 which, as far as people attending events is concerned, would mean drive-in events only.
If it's done to the letter of the law then Hampden shouldn't be hosting any fans for the cup final right now.
Which will muck up the Euros if implemented. Very much doubt it will happen
loanheadhibby
12-05-2021, 05:44 PM
What's the chance of catching it on a bus or a train going to and from the match?
What's the chance in catching it from crowding into the bogs at half time, touching door handles, turnstyles etc.?
I honestly don't know the answers.
We’re adults tho. Surely people can be responsible to look after ourselves? What the real difference between 1500 fans and 6000 fans in a large open space.
Thinking on it, one of the qualifying considerations for tickets could be if you have had both vaccines?
Chorley Hibee
12-05-2021, 05:46 PM
Which will muck up the Euros if implemented. Very much doubt it will happen
Which would add further weight to the argument that the Scottish government implement the 'rules' on a completely whimsical basis.
Peevemor
12-05-2021, 06:02 PM
We’re adults tho. Surely people can be responsible to look after ourselves? What the real difference between 1500 fans and 6000 fans in a large open space.
Thinking on it, one of the qualifying considerations for tickets could be if you have had both vaccines?If we were depending on people's common sense to combat Covid we'd never be clear of it.
I don't know why we can't have more people at Hampden, I just don't agree with the conspiracy/blame culture whenever we don't agree with something.
hibbyfraelibby
12-05-2021, 07:16 PM
Glasgow should be remaining in level 3 which, as far as people attending events is concerned, would mean drive-in events only.
If it's done to the letter of the law then Hampden shouldn't be hosting any fans for the cup final right now.
Rememver thise wee invalid carraiges they used to park round pitches years ago...we could still get fans into the Cup Final as a drive in event 😉
ABZHFC
12-05-2021, 07:57 PM
But why would the SFA or the SG want to restrict the number of spectators if there wasn't a good reason?
Whether we as non-experts agree or not, if the powers that be reckon that it's simply too soon and too risky and that a couple of weeks will make a substantial difference for other events, then why can't people accept that?
I consider myself to be reasonably intelligent and there are many things that have gone on over the past year that have had me scratching my head, but never for one minute have I presumed to know more than the experts. I don't see the need for there to be a baddie that we can accuse of whatever.
Disappointment I understand. Rage however ...
I don't think there is some sort of malicious, cynical attempt to stall getting football fans back into stadia in Scotland (though the naked display of classism from politicians of all parties towards Scottish football fans over issues such as alcohol and the Offensive Behaviour at Football Act makes me sometimes doubt that), but what it is instead is a status quo bias.
Going to football games doesn't happen right now because it hasn't happened since March 2020. If you applied the exact same conditions right now in terms of hospitalisations and deaths to a time before March 2020, and asked the authorities what needed to be done about it, the idea of banning mass events would have been viewed as extremist. But, initially correctly so given the severity of COVID-19, the Overton window has now shifted so massively in favour of these restrictions, and so the burden of proof falls on us, the footballing 'community', to prove why we should be allowed to attend football games again.
Truthfully, if Easter Road was to be full with 20,000 fans this weekend, with no masks or social distancing in sight, there would almost certainly be no hospitalisations or deaths that arose from it. This is near enough scientific fact given the wonderful effectiveness of a brilliant vaccination campaign that will get us back to normality far quicker than many experts dared to predict. Therein lies the problem though, the same extreme caution is still being applied, and so despite the fact that it is probably about as safe to attend a mass event now as it was prior to the pandemic, the expectations remain that restrictions *should* be in place, even if there is very little logical sense in there being so.
It is incumbent, in my opinion, on all clubs to start a huge effort the second the finish whistle is blown on this season to get the government to agree that there will be full crowds, with no restrictions whatsoever, permitted from the first game of the next campaign provided Scotland's hospitalisation/death rate remains on the floor as is the case at present.
147lothian
13-05-2021, 06:59 AM
I don't want to be ageist but if they let say 10'000 into Hampden and excluded anyone over 50 even though that would include me, it would IMO still be a lot safer than your average Asda trip.
Hibbyradge
13-05-2021, 07:22 AM
I don't want to be ageist but if they let say 10'000 into Hampden and excluded anyone over 50 even though that would include me, it would IMO still be a lot safer than your average Asda trip.
Fill it to capacity with over 40s and it'll be as safe as it was before we'd heard of Covid.
Spike Mandela
13-05-2021, 07:26 AM
Seems a strange decision to have groups of people travelling from around the country to an area where covid cases are actually rising.
Imo we should have finished the season in the fashion it has been played throughout and concentrated on getting to covid level 0 for the start of next season.
Seems a strange decision to have groups of people travelling from around the country to an area where covid cases are actually rising.
Imo we should have finished the season in the fashion it has been played throughout and concentrated on getting to covid level 0 for the start of next season.
I could see the fans thing being scrapped now tbh
calumhibee1
13-05-2021, 07:38 AM
I could see the fans thing being scrapped now tbh
The longer it takes to announce a decision the more likely it becomes I reckon.
Bristolhibby
13-05-2021, 07:40 AM
Shopping Centres are the Covid equivalent of Godwin's law.
Haha!
lucky
13-05-2021, 08:17 AM
Seems a strange decision to have groups of people travelling from around the country to an area where covid cases are actually rising.
Imo we should have finished the season in the fashion it has been played throughout and concentrated on getting to covid level 0 for the start of next season.
As much as I want fans back into games this is a very sensible post that I’d support not having fans there. Why take the risk if numbers are rising again?
CockneyRebel
13-05-2021, 08:20 AM
Seems a strange decision to have groups of people travelling from around the country to an area where covid cases are actually rising.
Imo we should have finished the season in the fashion it has been played throughout and concentrated on getting to covid level 0 for the start of next season.
Your first sentence says it all IMO. I have been a paid up member of the cautious brigade from the off, mainly because of our lack of knowledge regarding the virus and it's multiple possibilities. BUT even I can see that test events were the best way forward and more indicative of progress than simply relaxing restrictions in stages and waiting to see how "things" went. Test events of all shapes and sizes under relatively controlled conditions, after the vaccination of millions, would surely have given much more valuable and reliable information than simply reading the numbers.
We are where we are and your second sentence is where I am also at now because the numbers currently under discussion to attend matches are IMO too small to warrant the risk of hurried/forced decisions. There will be plenty of events to allow to allow for test cases during the close season. Not a currently popular view but I feel we have to bite the bullet regarding this season.
GreenPJ
13-05-2021, 08:23 AM
We’re adults tho. Surely people can be responsible to look after ourselves? What the real difference between 1500 fans and 6000 fans in a large open space.
Thinking on it, one of the qualifying considerations for tickets could be if you have had both vaccines?
Age discrimination
bingo70
13-05-2021, 08:31 AM
Seems a strange decision to have groups of people travelling from around the country to an area where covid cases are actually rising.
Imo we should have finished the season in the fashion it has been played throughout and concentrated on getting to covid level 0 for the start of next season.
This is a genuine question as I’ve calmed down now from the other day 😉
I know cases are on the rise in Glasgow, is that reflected in hospital admissions and deaths or just positive cases?
Not a loaded question, honest.
calumhibee1
13-05-2021, 08:38 AM
This is a genuine question as I’ve calmed down now from the other day 😉
I know cases are on the rise in Glasgow, is that reflected in hospital admissions and deaths or just positive cases?
Not a loaded question, honest.
It’s definitely not reflected in deaths as there’s been no deaths in Scotland for a while now. I suppose there could be a bit of a lag and they could do
S later but it’s unlikely I’d think.
CockneyRebel
13-05-2021, 09:22 AM
Age discrimination
Risk assessment surely!
Call me John Prescott (two jags?)
GreenCastle
13-05-2021, 10:39 AM
Seems a strange decision to have groups of people travelling from around the country to an area where covid cases are actually rising.
Imo we should have finished the season in the fashion it has been played throughout and concentrated on getting to covid level 0 for the start of next season.
You can travel all around the UK just now - where do you draw the line. Folk are travelling into Edinburgh every day from different parts to work on building sites etc - they aren't going to stop that anytime soon.
Just over 10 days away till the game...hopefully an announcement soon. Don't think it would be fair saying over a certain age or those vaccinated only - Hibs is a club for all and I know several people not vaccinated yet due to age who are arguably healthier than those who have had a vaccine.
Maybe they will wait till Monday after the huns run through the streets of Glasgow and have another party/ cause havoc and then release information - either way you would expect it to be soon.
Bertie's XI
13-05-2021, 10:46 AM
We should expect an announcement on numbers at some point today?
Billy Whizz
13-05-2021, 11:02 AM
Champions league final now confirmed at Porto
6000 fans from each club allowed
They are going to need to finalise this soon as it will take time to sort tickets out and the lucky few need to get their buses booked
Jones28
13-05-2021, 11:33 AM
Champions league final now confirmed at Porto
6000 fans from each club allowed
Why in ****s name wouldn't you just have it in England? What a bonkers decision.
Billy Whizz
13-05-2021, 11:35 AM
Why in ****s name wouldn't you just have it in England? What a bonkers decision.
Because the 2000 or so UEFA delegates and sponsors, would have to quarantine on arriving in London
Big cost for the 12,000 fans travelling though
Some of the tickets should go to parents/carers of the players. Mums & dads and carers have stood on the side lines in all weather supporting and consoling their sons as they progressed through the age groups, it would be great for them to get a wee reward.
HTD1875
13-05-2021, 11:54 AM
Some of the tickets should go to parents/carers of the players. Mums & dads and carers have stood on the side lines in all weather supporting and consoling their sons as they progressed through the age groups, it would be great for them to get a wee reward.
I think the players will get a couple of tickets each before the fans get their hands on any.
Spike Mandela
13-05-2021, 11:56 AM
This is a genuine question as I’ve calmed down now from the other day 😉
I know cases are on the rise in Glasgow, is that reflected in hospital admissions and deaths or just positive cases?
Not a loaded question, honest.
I think most of the concern in rising cases is around the Indian variant which may be more transmissable.
Stuart93
13-05-2021, 11:56 AM
I think most of the concern in rising cases is around the Indian variant which may be more transmissable.
Haven’t they said that about every variant though?
Spike Mandela
13-05-2021, 12:01 PM
Haven’t they said that about every variant though?
Will be interesting to see if Glasgow moves into level 2 with the rest of the country on Monday...
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-57100228
Jones28
13-05-2021, 12:04 PM
Because the 2000 or so UEFA delegates and sponsors, would have to quarantine on arriving in London
Big cost for the 12,000 fans travelling though
As if we needed anymore evidence that UEFA and the champions league are out of touch with normal fans.
SteveHFC
13-05-2021, 04:03 PM
SG only letting in 300 fans each. Pathetic stuff.
That just shows the SG doesn't give a flying **** about football.
lord bunberry
13-05-2021, 04:06 PM
SG only letting in 300 fans each. Pathetic stuff.
That just shows the SG doesn't give a flying **** about football.
300!! Ffs they might as well not bother. How many are going to be in for the Euros?
SteveHFC
13-05-2021, 04:06 PM
300!! Ffs they might as well not bother. How many are going to be in for the Euros?
12,000 mate.
No reason why we couldn't have the same here. Hope both clubs tell the SFA and SG to ram it.
Pretty Boy
13-05-2021, 04:07 PM
Meh.
Garden party then inside to watch in TV it is then.
lucky
13-05-2021, 04:08 PM
No point in moaning about the government we just voted them back in. I doubt any fans will get a ticket now. The time players and officials get their share there won’t be any for regular fans.
One Day Soon
13-05-2021, 04:09 PM
600 fans 🤨
Pointless.
300 Hibs fans, presumably drawn by ballot of some sort. Quite a high probability you won't know any of the other 299 people selected ans - whether you do or don't - you won't be sitting anywhere near anyone anyway due to distancing. The atmosphere will be nil.
Much, much better to set up the TV at home (our outdoors in a gazebo or equivalent) with whatever numbers are permitted.
One Day Soon
13-05-2021, 04:09 PM
Meh.
Garden party then inside to watch in TV it is then.
Great minds...
Moulin Yarns
13-05-2021, 04:11 PM
600 fans 🤨
Pointless.
600 fans at the Scottish Cup final. https://t.co/mvvUX1uc5v
SteveHFC
13-05-2021, 04:11 PM
No point in moaning about the government we just voted them back in. I doubt any fans will get a ticket now. The time players and officials get their share there won’t be any for regular fans.
It is pathetic they will have 12,000 fans a few weeks later. No reason why they couldn't do the same here. I have voted for the SNP all my life and i'm starting to think they are using this pandemic as an excuse to target certain industries.
There will be more Rangers fans at Ibrox on Saturday celebrating their title win.
Peevemor
13-05-2021, 04:11 PM
'I don't see the point at all.
Peevemor
13-05-2021, 04:12 PM
It is pathetic they will have 12,000 fans a few weeks later. No reason why they couldn't do the same here. I have voted for the SNP all my life and i'm starting to think they are using this pandemic as an excuse to target certain industries.
There will be more Rangers fans at Ibrox on Saturday celebrating their title win.Why would they target any industry?
Ronniekirk
13-05-2021, 04:13 PM
12,000 mate.
No reason why we couldn't have the same here. Hope both clubs tell the SFA and SG to ram it.
Has there been a rationale given fir this It’s like we are being discriminated against and Scotland fans favoured
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number9dream
13-05-2021, 04:13 PM
SG only letting in 300 fans each. Pathetic stuff.
That just shows the SG doesn't give a flying **** about football.
Really poor from our leaders in football & government. Embarrassing really.
They might use the G41, G42 outbreak as an excuse since it’s right next to Hampden but fans will be travelling by car and going straight in and out again.
B.H.F.C
13-05-2021, 04:14 PM
Absolutely pointless. Won’t even be a ballot, will just get players family in and that.
Stuart93
13-05-2021, 04:14 PM
What a ****ing shambles that is when there’ll be 12,000 in the same ground only 3 weeks later
Ronniekirk
13-05-2021, 04:15 PM
It is pathetic they will have 12,000 fans a few weeks later. No reason why they couldn't do the same here. I have voted for the SNP all my life and i'm starting to think they are using this pandemic as an excuse to target certain industries.
There will be more Rangers fans at Ibrox on Saturday celebrating their title win.
And if tryour last point turns into reality they better do something about it this time
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Moulin Yarns
13-05-2021, 04:16 PM
I'm just waiting for the singing section to say that they deserve them more than the away season ticket holders who in turn will demand priority over the prawn sandwich brigade. 😁
Billy Whizz
13-05-2021, 04:17 PM
Morton allowed 500 in total at Cappielow the night before, a stadium a fraction of the size of Hampden
Brightside
13-05-2021, 04:18 PM
You’ve got to laugh.
SteveHFC
13-05-2021, 04:19 PM
Why would they target any industry?
Thought it was clear the SG don't like football fans in general. There will be more people walking round princess street next Saturday at the same time.
Moulin Yarns
13-05-2021, 04:19 PM
It is pathetic they will have 12,000 fans a few weeks later. No reason why they couldn't do the same here. I have voted for the SNP all my life and i'm starting to think they are using this pandemic as an excuse to target certain industries.
There will be more Rangers fans at Ibrox on Saturday celebrating their title win.
Not worth the bother. Up to 5,000 was at the discretion of the local authority, over 5,000 was when it was a government decision. Why did the SFA go to the government?
bigwheel
13-05-2021, 04:20 PM
It’s clear the SFA don’t care about getting fans in
Morton allowed 500 in total at Cappielow the night before, a stadium a fraction of the size of Hampden
I think they are doing work on hampden. It seems like there are only certain areas of the stadium they can be used. SG have said fine as long as it’s socially distanced which results in only 600.
MWHIBBIES
13-05-2021, 04:20 PM
Embarrasing. Utterly embarrassing.
Ronniekirk
13-05-2021, 04:20 PM
Morton allowed 500 in total at Cappielow the night before, a stadium a fraction of the size of Hampden
It really is an insult Do the SFA get money fir hosting the Euro games Hiwcwas the figure of 12 thousand agreed on
It should of been exactly the same amount of fans fir ScottishCup Final
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Billy Whizz
13-05-2021, 04:21 PM
I think they are doing work on hampden. It seems like there are only certain areas of the stadium they can be used. SG have said fine as long as it’s socially distanced which results in only 600.
Is this 600 on top of the usual match day no of people, or does it include t he directors and players not in the squad
JeMeSouviens
13-05-2021, 04:21 PM
Has there been a rationale given fir this It’s like we are being discriminated against and Scotland fans favoured
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Basically, the SFA/UEFA have only agreed to open a wee bit of the stadium. The SFA asked for 2000 fans at 1.5m distancing. Scotgov have told them they need 2m distancing.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E1R8G1uXIAIxjFp?format=jpg&name=medium
If you applied 2m distancing to the whole stadium I think you'd be looking at 5000 fans. Something like that anyway.
SHODAN
13-05-2021, 04:22 PM
What a ****ing joke.
Is this 600 on top of the usual match day no of people, or does it include t he directors and players not in the squad
No I think it will be 600 on top of who goes at the moment.
I think they are doing work on hampden. It seems like there are only certain areas of the stadium they can be used. SG have said fine as long as it’s socially distanced which results in only 600.
Find it hard to believe that even with restrictions the availability of Hamden would be the same as Cappielow. Poor show from the SFA for only asking for 2,000 and from the government too. Full houses at indoor snooker finals and 4,000 at Brit awards and we get 600 😡
AliboyFC
13-05-2021, 04:25 PM
Really poor from our leaders in football & government. Embarrassing really.
They might use the G41, G42 outbreak as an excuse since it’s right next to Hampden but fans will be travelling by car and going straight in and out again.
I guess it's better than nothing.
Moulin Yarns
13-05-2021, 04:26 PM
Basically, the SFA/UEFA have only agreed to open a wee bit of the stadium. The SFA asked for 2000 fans at 1.5m distancing. Scotgov have told them they need 2m distancing.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E1R8G1uXIAIxjFp?format=jpg&name=medium
As I understand it, 500 are allowed in level 2, if you want up to 5000 you apply to the local authority (Glasgow City Council) if you want more than 5000 it goes to the government.
The question has to be asked, the sfa wanted 2000,so why did it go to the government and not Glasgow City Council?
I see a piss up in a brewery not being organised properly! 😉
Peevemor
13-05-2021, 04:26 PM
Thought it was clear the SG don't like football fans in general. There will be more people walking round princess street next Saturday at the same time.
Not prioritising or rushing fans back into grounds isn't the same as not liking them.
No I think it will be 600 on top of who goes at the moment.
Looks more like 600 folk full stop. So you’ll need to give players families tickets out of that I’m guessing too
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ABZHFC
13-05-2021, 04:26 PM
Can I be smug yet? And it will continue all next season unless we as fans stand up to the powers that be and tell them we are accepting nothing less than full crowds - as it should be - once again.
They would have been better just scrapping it and blaming the spike in south Glasgow. It’s a valid reason not to allow fans and what I thought would happen tbh.
Sir David Gray
13-05-2021, 04:26 PM
That's absolutely shocking.
Pathetic.
Looks more like 600 folk full stop. So you’ll need to give players families tickets out of that I’m guessing too
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Yes players families don’t go at the moment
Moulin Yarns
13-05-2021, 04:28 PM
On the other hand, the majority of us were pretty much resigned to watching on the telly so there is no impact on us personally. Although disappointing.
The Baldmans Comb
13-05-2021, 04:28 PM
There are now a number of covid clusters in the south of Glasgow caused by the unknown Indian variant which may or may not be able to bypass the AstraZenca vaccine.
Numbers given for cases were 58/100,000 which people which is double the control level of 25/100,000.
There is a real question mark whether Glasgow as a whole will be able to move to level 2 next week.
I am surprised Glasgow Council and the Scottish Government moved at all on this and its going to be a huge dilemma for the Euros if these case numbers continue to rise especially based on last years example of exponential growth 🤔😥
Peevemor
13-05-2021, 04:28 PM
Looks more like 600 folk full stop. So you’ll need to give players families tickets out of that I’m guessing too
Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkI doubt it.
Hibs have already said that there have been around 300 people in ER for some high profile, televised matches. That will easily double for a national cup final.
The 600 will be paying fans only.
jeffers
13-05-2021, 04:29 PM
Personally I hope they keep the tickets internally and they go to staff and player’s families.
MWHIBBIES
13-05-2021, 04:30 PM
Will be like a normal home game for Saints.
Moulin Yarns
13-05-2021, 04:31 PM
Personally I hope they keep the tickets internally and they go to staff and player’s families.
If it's over and above the players families etc which I agree, I think it will be, then any hibs support who is an NHS worker should get priority, IMHO.
Peevemor
13-05-2021, 04:31 PM
Personally I hope they keep the tickets internally and they go to staff and player’s families.Me too, but that would undoubtedly cause some people's heads to explode.
Billy Whizz
13-05-2021, 04:32 PM
Me too, but that would undoubtedly cause some people's heads to explode.
Mine
Robbo6-2
13-05-2021, 04:32 PM
The Scottish government and SFA are a disgrace.
Absolutely pathetic
ABZHFC
13-05-2021, 04:33 PM
Again, folk debating where the 300 tickets will go are missing the point. Don't direct your anger at the club, direct your anger at the authorities for keeping these restrictions surrounding football stadia in place and not giving any clear indication as to when they will end - despite the fact that we are now well past the point of requiring them.
Peevemor
13-05-2021, 04:34 PM
The Scottish government and SFA are a disgrace.
Absolutely patheticI might agree with you if you tell me who's at fault and why. I take it you know the ins and outs?
Peevemor
13-05-2021, 04:35 PM
Again, folk debating where the 300 tickets will go are missing the point. Don't direct your anger at the club, direct your anger at the authorities for keeping these restrictions surrounding football stadia in place and not giving any clear indication as to when they will end - despite the fact that we are now well past the point of requiring them.Why be angry? Why not just finish the season with zero fans ready to start after the summer with decent numbers?
Radium
13-05-2021, 04:35 PM
I must admit to being disappointed with the numbers available and agree with the viewpoint that the club should use them for families of players and staff.
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Magpie
13-05-2021, 04:36 PM
300 😭😂
Billy Whizz
13-05-2021, 04:36 PM
I might agree with you if you tell me who's at fault and why. I take it you know the ins and outs?
From the Scottish Cup Twitter account, you can see where they are pointing the blame at
The Scottish Government has today confirmed that 600 fans can attend the Scottish Cup Final at Hampden Park on Saturday, 22 May.
04Sauzee
13-05-2021, 04:36 PM
Personally I hope they keep the tickets internally and they go to staff and player’s families.
After buying 4 season tickets for this season and renewing 4 for next season all at a considerable cost. That's exactly where I hope the tickets go. Let the families enjoy the game and bring that bloody cup home
Peevemor
13-05-2021, 04:37 PM
From the Scottish Cup Twitter account, you can see where they are pointing the blame at
The Scottish Government has today confirmed that 600 fans can attend the Scottish Cup Final at Hampden Park on Saturday, 22 May.There's no point trying to judge unless we know the whole story, which we don't.
hibee-boys
13-05-2021, 04:38 PM
600 fans in a stadium that holds 52,000.😂 This has been an absolute shambles from day 1. Let’s be honest, SFA and SG don’t give a flying xxxx about anyone but the bigot brothers.
Stuart93
13-05-2021, 04:38 PM
Again, folk debating where the 300 tickets will go are missing the point. Don't direct your anger at the club, direct your anger at the authorities for keeping these restrictions surrounding football stadia in place and not giving any clear indication as to when they will end - despite the fact that we are now well past the point of requiring them.
I’m not sure anyone’s directed anger at the club? Everyone knows this wasn’t their choice
hibbyfraelibby
13-05-2021, 04:39 PM
The Scottish government and SFA are a disgrace.
Absolutely pathetic
How?
Looks like the Covid rate in Glasgow is 100 per 100k, bordering on L4 restrictions and definately not going down from L3 to L2 like the rest of the country now.
No traveling into or out of Glasgow is on the cards next week meaning the dispensation to allow 600 is a major concession. The South side of that coity has seen a 33% uplift in cases in the last few day. Guess which side of Glasgow Hampden is on.
Peevemor
13-05-2021, 04:40 PM
I’m not sure anyone’s directed anger at the club? Everyone knows this wasn’t their choiceNot yet, but it'll come (especially now that you've given them the idea [emoji6]).
Stuart93
13-05-2021, 04:40 PM
How?
Looks like the Covid rate in Glasgo is 100 per 100k, bordering on L4 restrictions and drfinately not going down from L3 to L2 like the rest of the country now.
No traveln into or out of Glasgow is on the cards next week meaning the dispensation to allow 600 is a major concession
Yet they will still have 12,000 fans there 3 weeks later for the Euros
Stuart93
13-05-2021, 04:41 PM
Not yet, but it'll come (especially now that you've given them the idea [emoji6]).
I’m always happy to oblige
Even I’d be struggling for a negative slant on the club in this instance 😂
CraigHibee
13-05-2021, 04:41 PM
Would be difficult for there to be a fair distribution. As others have said I think tickets should be given to staff and family
Magpie
13-05-2021, 04:41 PM
Will be interesting to see how the club go about this one. Trying to choose 300 of 13,000 loyal fans is going to be difficult. As others have said, probably be best to just share the tickets internally for the players family unless tickets have already been kept aside for them.
Frazerbob
13-05-2021, 04:41 PM
Tell them to ram their tickets. ****ing insult.
calumhibee1
13-05-2021, 04:42 PM
What an absolute disgrace.
Hibs, St Johnstone and the fans of both clubs have been shafted.
GordonHFC
13-05-2021, 04:42 PM
300? What was the fkng point?
600 fans in a stadium that holds 52,000.😂 This has been an absolute shambles from day 1. Let’s be honest, SFA and SG don’t give a flying xxxx about anyone but the bigot brothers.
The Scottish government are biased towards the old firm? Interesting
hibbyfraelibby
13-05-2021, 04:42 PM
Yet they will still have 12,000 fans there 3 weeks later for the Euros
Not guaranteed if that infection rate isn't brought down.
hibbyfraelibby
13-05-2021, 04:44 PM
600 fans in a stadium that holds 52,000.😂 This has been an absolute shambles from day 1. Let’s be honest, SFA and SG don’t give a flying xxxx about anyone but the bigot brothers.
Grow up
staunchhibby
13-05-2021, 04:44 PM
Bombard S.F.A with e-mails regarding our feelings over the shambles re tickets:aok::aok:
MunsterHibee
13-05-2021, 04:50 PM
Just breaking news on SSN 600 fans allowed at the Cup final.....
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lucky
13-05-2021, 04:50 PM
Why has the Scottish Government stated it’s 2m social distancing? Public transport is 1m plus and has been for months and there are talks ongoing to remove it all together. Serious questions need to be asked why 500 fans can attend Morton’s home game with a capacity of 11111 yet Hampden has a capacity of 52000 and only 100 more fans can attend. I’m not sure why the Scottish cup final and St Johnstone and Hibs are being treated so poorly by the Scottish Government? Wembley this weekend for FA cup final have 12500. Sturgeon shouts all the time about treating Scotland fairly why is she not treating the Scottish Cup final fairly? This is an appalling decision by the Scottish Government
Peevemor
13-05-2021, 04:50 PM
Not easy.
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green day
13-05-2021, 04:52 PM
As Grumpy Gibby the West Stand Hibby used to say - "loady pish"
Why did they even bother with the extra 50 bodies??????????
kaimendhibs
13-05-2021, 04:52 PM
How?
Looks like the Covid rate in Glasgow is 100 per 100k, bordering on L4 restrictions and definately not going down from L3 to L2 like the rest of the country now.
No traveling into or out of Glasgow is on the cards next week meaning the dispensation to allow 600 is a major concession. The South side of that coity has seen a 33% uplift in cases in the last few day. Guess which side of Glasgow Hampden is on.
In that case 600.max at the Euros shouldnt be a problem
SteveHFC
13-05-2021, 04:52 PM
Not easy.
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We should just hand them out to players family and friends.
Why has the Scottish Government stated it’s 2m social distancing? Public transport is 1m plus and has been for months and there are talks ongoing to remove it all together. Serious questions need to be asked why 500 fans can attend Morton’s home game with a capacity of 11111 yet Hampden has a capacity of 52000 and only 100 more fans can attend. I’m not sure why the Scottish cup final and St Johnstone and Hibs are being treated so poorly by the Scottish Government? Wembley this weekend for FA cup final have 12500. Sturgeon shouts all the time about treating Scotland fairly why is she not treating the Scottish Cup final fairly? This is an appalling decision by the Scottish Government
It is a joke. I am attending a sporting event at a ground the day after the final. It holds around 6000 at present and they have allowed 850 to attend.
2belhaven
13-05-2021, 04:52 PM
Pointless. More folk in my Local Waitrose at the moment !
MunsterHibee
13-05-2021, 04:53 PM
300 fans each is an embarrassment tbh. In a matter of weeks when Scotland play in the Euros there will be over 10,000 fans left into hampden.
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hibbydad
13-05-2021, 04:53 PM
It is a joke. I am attending a sporting event at a ground the day after the final. It holds around 6000 at present and they have allowed 850 to attend.
You are right it is a total joke will cost more to administer
ABZHFC
13-05-2021, 04:53 PM
Why be angry? Why not just finish the season with zero fans ready to start after the summer with decent numbers?
No, not 'decent numbers'. Full crowds. Have you seen where being reasonable and trying to beg the authorities for more tickets has got us? 100 extra briefs, a joke.
We will be playing a game of slow cat and mouse with the authorities otherwise. The only thing for it is to call for full stadiums to return in permanence once everyone in Scotland has been offered their first dose, anything less is unacceptable, and would only result in long, drawn out negotiations where we are 'allowed' to have 500 more fans in every week
Moulin Yarns
13-05-2021, 04:54 PM
600 fans in a stadium that holds 52,000.😂 This has been an absolute shambles from day 1. Let’s be honest, SFA and SG don’t give a flying xxxx about anyone but the bigot brothers.
Queens Park probably will disagree. I'm sure they would be happy with 600 fans in Hampden 😁
The Baldmans Comb
13-05-2021, 04:54 PM
Yet they will still have 12,000 fans there 3 weeks later for the Euros
I think this will be seriously in question and if its not and I lived in Glasgow I would demanding to know why.🤢😡
An Indian variant of Covid has resulted in clusters well in excess of recommended limits and the variant is so new that its still unknown if the AstraZeneca vaccine can cope with it. Pfizer and Moderna seemingly can.
12,000 sounds ridiculous and I hope the SFA has a standby get out clause and I say that as someone with tickets for all Hampden matches.
Billy Whizz
13-05-2021, 04:56 PM
We should just hand them out to players family and friends.
I disagree. I think Hibs should try and make sure every person who gets a ticket, is a season ticket holder
It’s the least they can reward fans, for a season of no football
There’s a lot of fantastic long term Hibs supporters out there, and I would be absolutely gutted for some of them, if all the tickets were given to staff and players families
hibbysam
13-05-2021, 04:56 PM
There are now a number of covid clusters in the south of Glasgow caused by the unknown Indian variant which may or may not be able to bypass the AstraZenca vaccine.
Numbers given for cases were 58/100,000 which people which is double the control level of 25/100,000.
There is a real question mark whether Glasgow as a whole will be able to move to level 2 next week.
I am surprised Glasgow Council and the Scottish Government moved at all on this and its going to be a huge dilemma for the Euros if these case numbers continue to rise especially based on last years example of exponential growth 🤔😥
Just like every other variant then eh. Strangely enough two weeks ago Leitch was telling everyone who would listen that cases would always rise when things were eased. The fact we have the vaccine sorts that out. Maybe about time the government sorted the vaccine rollout out, even more misgivings about that today regarding more technical issues preventing people getting it.
Baader
13-05-2021, 04:57 PM
Less than the snooker and that was indoors :crazy:
JGS56
13-05-2021, 04:57 PM
Queens Park probably will disagree. I'm sure they would be happy with 600 fans in Hampden 😁
Queens Park have nothing to do with HamDump. They sold it to the SFA.
Queens Park will use Lesser Hampden after groundsharing with Falkirk for part of next season.
K-Zazu
13-05-2021, 04:57 PM
Fitbaw as we used to know it is done
Wilson
13-05-2021, 04:58 PM
Fitbaw as we used to know it is done
VAR or Covid?
K-Zazu
13-05-2021, 04:59 PM
VAR or Covid?
Both
hibee
13-05-2021, 04:59 PM
This is embarrassing, our government are completely useless.
How can it be safe to sit in a stupid pub tent next to strangers with no distancing (even though they say there is) but we can’t sit in an outdoor stadium with someone a metre away.
I hope both clubs tell them where to go, allocating 300 tickets will cause more trouble than it’s worth.
jeffers
13-05-2021, 04:59 PM
I disagree. I think Hibs should try and make sure every person who gets a ticket, is a season ticket holder
It’s the least they can reward fans, for a season of no football
There’s a lot of fantastic long term Hibs supporters out there, and I would be absolutely gutted for some of them, if all the tickets were given to staff and players families
I get what you are saying, but the numbers are so small it’s not making much of a dent into all of the season ticket holders.
One Day Soon
13-05-2021, 05:00 PM
Less than the snooker and that was indoors :crazy:
Seriously? That cannot be true surely.
jgl07
13-05-2021, 05:00 PM
What a bloody shambles!
600 is a bloody insult!
MWHIBBIES
13-05-2021, 05:01 PM
Fitbaw as we used to know it is done
Hows that? Crowds will return to normal in time.
K-Zazu
13-05-2021, 05:03 PM
Hows that? Crowds will return to normal in time.
But what about the variants?
hibby rae
13-05-2021, 05:03 PM
Why has the Scottish Government stated it’s 2m social distancing? Public transport is 1m plus and has been for months and there are talks ongoing to remove it all together. Serious questions need to be asked why 500 fans can attend Morton’s home game with a capacity of 11111 yet Hampden has a capacity of 52000 and only 100 more fans can attend. I’m not sure why the Scottish cup final and St Johnstone and Hibs are being treated so poorly by the Scottish Government? Wembley this weekend for FA cup final have 12500. Sturgeon shouts all the time about treating Scotland fairly why is she not treating the Scottish Cup final fairly? This is an appalling decision by the Scottish Government
The statement reads to me like they haven't been given the whole stadium, maybe only access to the North Stand by UEFA?
Which would further limit space if that was the case.
Brightside
13-05-2021, 05:06 PM
You can have 500 at any outdoor event from next week. I’m going to guess they are keeping it tight for this event due to their being spikes in positives cases in that area. Tbh I never thought for a second we would have anyone at this game. I’d rather we kept it to 500 at everything until next season.
MWHIBBIES
13-05-2021, 05:07 PM
But what about the variants?
what about them?
We're not going to stop events forever. It just isn't happening.
Hibs Class
13-05-2021, 05:07 PM
There's no point trying to judge unless we know the whole story, which we don't.
Unless we know enough to make an educated guess, which we do.
wookie70
13-05-2021, 05:08 PM
Terrible decision. 500 allowed at tiny grounds and only 600 at a stadium holding 50K. I get the feeling this is punishment for all the issues players and clubs have created throughout the pandemic. Absolutely none of which our club caused. For me this says just keep society shut down for years to come. I'm going for my second vaccination on Monday but what is the point if we aren't really seeing much benefit from it. With such a ridiculously low number I think I would get together with St Johnstone and tell them to ram it. The SFA have been very poor too and should have used the final as a test event and tied it to the Euros to put pressure on SG.
Stuart93
13-05-2021, 05:08 PM
I think this will be seriously in question and if its not and I lived in Glasgow I would demanding to know why.🤢😡
An Indian variant of Covid has resulted in clusters well in excess of recommended limits and the variant is so new that its still unknown if the AstraZeneca vaccine can cope with it. Pfizer and Moderna seemingly can.
12,000 sounds ridiculous and I hope the SFA has a standby get out clause and I say that as someone with tickets for all Hampden matches.
Watch this space. It’ll go ahead with 12,000.
If I was the club I’d certainly be asking the SFA if they’ve pushed back on it or why they’ve accepted such a little amount
Hillsidehibby
13-05-2021, 05:09 PM
Seriously? That cannot be true surely.
It’s true
Logie Green
13-05-2021, 05:09 PM
Just like every other variant then eh. Strangely enough two weeks ago Leitch was telling everyone who would listen that cases would always rise when things were eased. The fact we have the vaccine sorts that out. Maybe about time the government sorted the vaccine rollout out, even more misgivings about that today regarding more technical issues preventing people getting it.
Leitch slavers nonsense at times when he’s talking about football.
On ‘Off The Ball’ a couple of weeks ago he suggested that although crowds at the start of next season may be limited it could allow for away fans to attend. On that basis some ST holders might not be able to attend games at ER to allow for some away fans to attend. That would go down well!
I think he tries to say what he thinks folk want to hear.
You can have 500 at any outdoor event from next week. I’m going to guess they are keeping it tight for this event due to their being spikes in positives cases in that area. Tbh I never thought for a second we would have anyone at this game. I’d rather we kept it to 500 at everything until next season.
The main issue is numbers have been flying around at higher amounts so now it is so low everyone is annoyed.
They should have kept it out of the press and announced it when approved and they would have got a better reception as zero to 300.
stuart-farquhar
13-05-2021, 05:10 PM
That's the Glasgow bubble thinking right here.
"600 suits them btw. Plenty."
"We here in the megabubbleness world would never have that!"
"Anyways big celebration coming this weekend. Get yer Buckie in now!, stocks is running low. Then the Euros an that. The peepul must be appeased eh big man."
SteveHFC
13-05-2021, 05:10 PM
Leitch slavers nonsense at times when he’s talking about football.
On ‘Off The Ball’ a couple of weeks ago he suggested that although crowds at the start of next season may be limited it could allow for away fans to attend. On that basis some ST holders might not be able to attend games at ER to allow for some away fans to attend. That would go down well!
I think he tries to say what he thinks folk want to hear.
I just laugh anytime at the statement he makes now.
Moulin Yarns
13-05-2021, 05:10 PM
It is a joke. I am attending a sporting event at a ground the day after the final. It holds around 6000 at present and they have allowed 850 to attend.
Good for you. But to be honest, what chance do you think you had of being at the final?
HibsGW
13-05-2021, 05:11 PM
Ridiculous amount to end up at, why bother. I’d also not be surprised if nobody ends up in and Glasgow ends up in level 3 at the time which I assume would mean there couldn’t be any fans.
northstandhibby
13-05-2021, 05:11 PM
It is undoubtedly a disappointingly low number, however, I couldn't care less. I just want to see the team with the Cup in hand at the end of the match.
Good for you. But to be honest, what chance do you think you had of being at the final?
Zero but my point was more fans should have been allowed.
Moulin Yarns
13-05-2021, 05:13 PM
How?
Looks like the Covid rate in Glasgow is 100 per 100k, bordering on L4 restrictions and definately not going down from L3 to L2 like the rest of the country now.
No traveling into or out of Glasgow is on the cards next week meaning the dispensation to allow 600 is a major concession. The South side of that coity has seen a 33% uplift in cases in the last few day. Guess which side of Glasgow Hampden is on.
Get away!!! Too bloody sensible 😁
hibbysam
13-05-2021, 05:13 PM
Leitch slavers nonsense at times when he’s talking about football.
On ‘Off The Ball’ a couple of weeks ago he suggested that although crowds at the start of next season may be limited it could allow for away fans to attend. On that basis some ST holders might not be able to attend games at ER to allow for some away fans to attend. That would go down well!
I think he tries to say what he thinks folk want to hear.
When talking about cases rising he was right, the issue is they’re now using that as a stick to beat people with again. It’s a sin on businesses now who get promised the world and then slapped back down to earth almost weekly now. Never heard a thing about variants for the whole campaign trail, now that’s done they’re out in force again.
I agree he’s a slavering arse though. Sick of his voice now.
Pretty Boy
13-05-2021, 05:15 PM
Leitch slavers nonsense at times when he’s talking about football.
On ‘Off The Ball’ a couple of weeks ago he suggested that although crowds at the start of next season may be limited it could allow for away fans to attend. On that basis some ST holders might not be able to attend games at ER to allow for some away fans to attend. That would go down well!
I think he tries to say what he thinks folk want to hear.
I can't listen to Off The Ball now that he's on it almost every week.
His cringeworthy trying to be one of the lads patter coupled with what you say about him just saying what he thinks people want to hear is too much.
The one good thing is that even if you disagree with him, if you listen to him long enough he eventually says the opposite of what he said to start with so you end up agreeing.
Peevemor
13-05-2021, 05:16 PM
Unless we know enough to make an educated guess, which we do.Based on what?
How much of the stadium have UEFA allowed access to?
Out of that, how much will be allocated to football staff (that we've seen spread throughout the stands during matches).
How much will be press/media facilities?
jgl07
13-05-2021, 05:18 PM
Hows that? Crowds will return to normal in time.
Can we quote you on that one when 150 people are allowed into Easter Road next season?
Apart from anything else attending football matches is very much a thing of habit. Break that habit and many will not come back.
If restriction like this are kept until mid-May, what chance of allowing any more than nominal numbers in at the start of next season in July? That is just over two months away. Is much going to change in a few weeks?
flash
13-05-2021, 05:18 PM
All tickets should just be distributed in house by the club now. Football staffs nearest and dearest as well as all club employees would just about cover the allocation.
Saves a pile of trouble.
Sir David Gray
13-05-2021, 05:21 PM
Seriously? That cannot be true surely.
900 people were at the Snooker World Championships final at the Crucible Theatre in Sheffield 10 days ago.
MWHIBBIES
13-05-2021, 05:22 PM
Can we quote you on that one when 150 people are allowed into Easter Road next season?
Apart from anything else attending football matches is very much a thing of habit. Break that habit and many will not come back.
If restriction like this are kept until mid-May, what chance of allowing any more than nominal numbers in at the start of next season in July? That is just over two months away. Is much going to change in a few weeks?
there are already tens of thousands at events, though.
And I said in time. Do you actually think in 5 years we'll still be restricted in crowds? I don't.
Spike Mandela
13-05-2021, 05:26 PM
600 or 3000 what does it matter? Atmosphere in a 52,000 seater stadium would be crap. Wild horses couldn’t drag me to a token test event like this. Home or pub with the mates all day long. Really don’t get why people are getting so angry at authorities and governments, we’ve just had a whole season with no fans.
Hibs90
13-05-2021, 05:26 PM
That’s utterly pathetic. 300 each ffs.
That’s so poor from the government. Really disappointed at that. Probably wouldn’t have got a ticket anyway but nonetheless
wallpaperman
13-05-2021, 05:30 PM
I would give them to the families of the players and coaching staff as well, there is no fair way of distributing them to the fans, this way would cause the least angst.
matty_f
13-05-2021, 05:31 PM
300 is ridiculous. Would love to be one of them though, to be honest. God knows how Hibs are going to distribute them, hard decisions to be made. 300 - what a nonsense from the government.
Andy74
13-05-2021, 05:31 PM
Waste of time. Give them to the players and staff.
Sir David Gray
13-05-2021, 05:34 PM
600 or 3000 what does it matter? Atmosphere in a 52,000 seater stadium would be crap. Wild horses couldn’t drag me to a token test event like this. Home or pub with the mates all day long. Really don’t get why people are getting so angry at authorities and governments, we’ve just had a whole season with no fans.
People are angry because there will be 12,000 people inside Hampden just 3 weeks after the cup final.
It's absolutely ridiculous.
The guidance for events in level 2 says that 500 people can attend an outdoor event but that this can be increased in consultation with the council/Scottish Government.
I don't think anyone thought that the increase would simply be by 100.
Billy Whizz
13-05-2021, 05:35 PM
People are angry because there will be 12,000 people inside Hampden just 3 weeks after the cup final.
It's absolutely ridiculous.
The guidance for events in level 2 says that 500 people can attend an outdoor event but that this can be increased in consultation with the council/Scottish Government.
I don't think anyone thought that the increase would simply be by 100.
SFA saying less than anticipated
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/57100706
monarch
13-05-2021, 05:37 PM
Leitch slavers nonsense at times when he’s talking about football.
On ‘Off The Ball’ a couple of weeks ago he suggested that although crowds at the start of next season may be limited it could allow for away fans to attend. On that basis some ST holders might not be able to attend games at ER to allow for some away fans to attend. That would go down well!
I think he tries to say what he thinks folk want to hear.
It was a general statement which he made. He didn’t make that statement in the context of teams who have a proportionately large season ticket support which you have specifically raised. It would make sense in cases in grounds where home season ticket uptake is small.
From your personal views on Leitch I think you’re looking to be offended.
Moulin Yarns
13-05-2021, 05:39 PM
I disagree. I think Hibs should try and make sure every person who gets a ticket, is a season ticket holder
It’s the least they can reward fans, for a season of no football
There’s a lot of fantastic long term Hibs supporters out there, and I would be absolutely gutted for some of them, if all the tickets were given to staff and players families
Have to disagree. The club has a duty of care to the staff.
Sir David Gray
13-05-2021, 05:39 PM
SFA saying less than anticipated
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/57100706
Yep it was leaked by some journalists the other day that talks were taking place to allow 1500-3000 to attend.
I expected it would be towards the bottom end of that scale but this is just a joke.
EI255
13-05-2021, 05:40 PM
300 is ridiculous. Would love to be one of them though, to be honest. God knows how Hibs are going to distribute them, hard decisions to be made. 300 - what a nonsense from the government.Give them to charities.
Hibs style [emoji106]
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Moulin Yarns
13-05-2021, 05:41 PM
Queens Park have nothing to do with HamDump. They sold it to the SFA.
Queens Park will use Lesser Hampden after groundsharing with Falkirk for part of next season.
Until about 4 weeks ago, they still used Hampden!!!
Paul1642
13-05-2021, 05:43 PM
600 or 3000 what does it matter? Atmosphere in a 52,000 seater stadium would be crap. Wild horses couldn’t drag me to a token test event like this. Home or pub with the mates all day long. Really don’t get why people are getting so angry at authorities and governments, we’ve just had a whole season with no fans.
Matters to the 2400 extra fans who get to watch their team in person for the first time in over a year. If you get a ticket I’ll be happy to take it off your hands :)
Callum_62
13-05-2021, 05:45 PM
SFA saying less than anticipated
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/57100706Does increasing the distancing by 0.5m cause a 11,400 drop in allowed attendance
That can't be right surley?
They must only be releasing a small section of the stadium
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Spike Mandela
13-05-2021, 05:47 PM
People are angry because there will be 12,000 people inside Hampden just 3 weeks after the cup final.
It's absolutely ridiculous.
The guidance for events in level 2 says that 500 people can attend an outdoor event but that this can be increased in consultation with the council/Scottish Government.
I don't think anyone thought that the increase would simply be by 100.
Is 12,000 confirmed? Quick maths and changing social distancing from 2m to 1.5m doesn’t go from 600 to 12,000. Think the statement says the number allowed in ‘approved areas’ which suggests to me that at the moment perhaps only one stand is prepared.
600 or 3000 what does it matter? Atmosphere in a 52,000 seater stadium would be crap. Wild horses couldn’t drag me to a token test event like this. Home or pub with the mates all day long. Really don’t get why people are getting so angry at authorities and governments, we’ve just had a whole season with no fans.
If it was 3000 then 1200 more of our fans that want to go to the game would get to go. Not everyone is like you and would rather watch it at home or in the pub.
LeithMike
13-05-2021, 05:49 PM
That's what happens when you get a dentist running a public health crisis. Seems to love the limelight.
This is a really poor decision in the wider context. It's time to start giving people back the power over their everyday lives and let them decide on the precautions necessary for such time as the NHS is no longer under threat. Surely they could have let thousands in and declared it a test event if worried about the precedent.
The Scottish Government (and particularly the First Minister) have had huge control over people's lives the last year or so, and despite protestations otherwise, history shows that those who accumulate power can sometimes be loathe to let that power go. The SFA also not blameless and suggests that public bodies in Scotland, which are supposed to be independent of the Government are not acting so.
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pollution
13-05-2021, 05:49 PM
What a waste of time. We play better in front of no fans anyway.
hibee
13-05-2021, 05:50 PM
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malcolm
13-05-2021, 05:52 PM
An attendance of 600 would be 20% of the capacity of ainslie park, allowing for a seemingly reasonably safe social distant level. In contrast it would be little over 1% of Hampden. That’s not so much social but geographically distancing rules in force even if limited to one stand.
Possibly the concerns about the spike of COVID in glasgow and the risk of it being spread around the rest of the country are playing a part but tbh I think there was never any desire by the SFA or Scot govt to have any fans and this is a pretendy effort with a ready made ‘if we really have to let’s make it look like we tried’ outcome.
Sir David Gray
13-05-2021, 05:54 PM
Is 12,000 confirmed? Quick maths and changing social distancing from 2m to 1.5m doesn’t go from 600 to 12,000. Think the statement says the number allowed in ‘approved areas’ which suggests to me that at the moment perhaps only one stand is prepared.
Yes I'm sure the full stadium won't be in use due to UEFA's involvement but they were apparently in talks to allow up to 3,000 a couple of days ago. Now it's suddenly 600.
DH1875
13-05-2021, 05:55 PM
Why in ****s name wouldn't you just have it in England? What a bonkers decision.
Especially since Portugal are still restricting flights from the UK :confused:
Irish_Steve
13-05-2021, 05:55 PM
300 you say?? Well, with my body, I'll be Leonidas
DH1875
13-05-2021, 05:56 PM
600 fans, what's the point. Play it in Stirling.
Andy74
13-05-2021, 05:56 PM
I disagree. I think Hibs should try and make sure every person who gets a ticket, is a season ticket holder
It’s the least they can reward fans, for a season of no football
There’s a lot of fantastic long term Hibs supporters out there, and I would be absolutely gutted for some of them, if all the tickets were given to staff and players families
Unless you are going to hand pick some for arbitrary reasons then it is impossible with these numbers to achieve this.
Heckys Wheel
13-05-2021, 05:56 PM
I thought giving the tickets to NHS staff was a nonsense shout yesterday but can see it happening now. Once players families and commercial staff get theirs there won’t be enough for the smallest of groups so giving to NHS would probably stifle most grumbles.
Callum_62
13-05-2021, 05:57 PM
North stand holds 9100
6.5% if they released the whole section
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matty_f
13-05-2021, 05:57 PM
Unless you are going to hand pick some for arbitrary reasons then it is impossible with these numbers to achieve this.
:agree: it’s nigh on impossible to recognise everyone who’s made a significant contribution to the club over the years if you’ve only got 300 tickets to play with.
Danderhall Hibs
13-05-2021, 05:58 PM
Give them to charities.
Hibs style [emoji106]
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:agree: kicks for kids or similar.
The Baldmans Comb
13-05-2021, 06:02 PM
Watch this space. It’ll go ahead with 12,000.
If I was the club I’d certainly be asking the SFA if they’ve pushed back on it or why they’ve accepted such a little amount
Hibs situation of 300 tickets or 1,000 tickets is small fry and in the larger scale of things is all rather irrelevant. Its the Euros where the numbers really ramp up.
I certainly hope not as its just madness to allow these sort of numbers (12,000) to attend a sporting event at this time especially as there are 4 games at Hampden.
At the moment the virus is constrained to known clusters which can be tested and controlled but if it breaks out into community transmission again then we are heading back towards Glasgow being well out of step with the rest of the country with the certainty that the virus spreads east.
Checking and testing is going on at the moment on the AstraZeneca vaccine to see if it gives adequate protection against the Indian variant and if it doesn't then I sincerely hope someone has the balls to tell UEFA to ram their Euro 2020 games.
Presuming of course I still get my money back on my tickets.😉
Barney McGrew
13-05-2021, 06:03 PM
Yes I'm sure the full stadium won't be in use due to UEFA's involvement but they were apparently in talks to allow up to 3,000 a couple of days ago. Now it's suddenly 600.
UEFA have only granted permission to use the South Stand, allegedly the other three are having preparatory work done on them ahead of the Euros. Advertising and branding no doubt.
Add in the ridiculous 2m distancing and that’s why they end up at 600.
Ronniekirk
13-05-2021, 06:06 PM
I guess it's better than nothing.
Marginally but if feels like tokenism because that’s what it is
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