Ross out

[Ray_]

Unless he decides to leave he will be here a lot longer than summer. If we finish 3/4th then he has hit the high target set by the football club. He works for Ron. He doesn’t work for some of the fans.

Thanks goodness :greengrin

[FilipinoHibs]

Thanks goodness :greengrin

No will he be sacked. I am sure as others have said his objectives for season will be too 4 and one cup semi. Looks like both those boxes ticked.

The club has also spent big on Ross's signings. These are investments for the future.

Both semis a game of fine margins which we could have easily have one. The capitulation to the Saints was disappointing after they opened the scoring.

For me we have been really disappointing against Hearts at home when we lost 3-1. Also the games against Ross C and Livingston. Same in the first half last night. The red card saved us.

I think root of problem is asked when Ross instructs the team to take no risks and play the safe option. We look to become to hesitant and lack confidence.

[Since452]

Can this thread not be deleted?

I can't imagine why anyone would spend time trying to get someone to lose their job.

I'm glad this place is not at all representative of real Hibs fans -it's just a few people who have far too much time on their hands. Again, it only makes me wonder if these people are as good at their jobs as Jack is.

I think it should stay open as a reminder to folk not to be so fickle after a few bad results. People weren't wanting it closed when they were on Ross's back.

[Callum_62]

I think it should stay open as a reminder to folk not to be so fickle after a few bad results. People weren't wanting it closed when they were on Ross's back.Wait until we lose on Saturday....

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[Caversham Green]

No will he be sacked. I am sure as others have said his objectives for season will be too 4 and one cup semi. Looks like both those boxes ticked.

The club has also spent big on Ross's signings. These are investments for the future.

Both semis a game of fine margins which we could have easily have one. The capitulation to the Saints was disappointing after they opened the scoring.

For me we have been really disappointing against Hearts at home when we lost 3-1. Also the games against Ross C and Livingston. Same in the first half last night. The red card saved us.

I think root of problem is asked when Ross instructs the team to take no risks and play the safe option. We look to become to hesitant and lack confidence.

We would have taken the lead earlier than we did but for the incident that led to the red card. How can you think that it saved us?

[Since452]

We would have taken the lead earlier that we did but for the incident that led to the red card. How can you think that it saved us?

Exactly. If it wasn't a red card challenge it was a goal

[Jim44]

I think this thread has served its purpose. The outcome is clear that the majority of folk here want Ross as our manager. The OP has misjudged opinion and might be disappointed but that’s life. I don’t think it’s healthy for a SUPPORTERS forum to have an open, ongoing debate on the status of their manager. I don’t think he should be hounded out of the club by a minority.

I reiterate my first post and am pleased to see a lot of support for closing the thread. Given JR’s relative success, I think it’s disrespectful to him to see the title of the thread staring you in the face every time you come on to the forum. I accept there is minority support to sack him but those who want that can open up new negative posts if they so choose. This thread is redundant for the foreseeable future.

[Shrekko]

I agree, I have also wanted Ross out but its clear he is going to get to the summer at least.

All this thread does is if Hibs win the people that want him to stay over praise him. I seen someone describing a win vs St Mirren as "Brilliant". My expectations is to beat teams like that most weeks, to describe that performance as Brilliant vs a 10 men Saints, needs their head looked at.

On the flip side if we lose the ones who want rid of him, go over the top with criticism (me included).

Maybe time to accept it's not brilliant nor is it a disaster and we still have alot to play for.

Can you point me to all those comments saying last nights performance was “brilliant”?

It was certainly a brilliant 3 points as we never at any time looked like losing the game which was played in terrible conditions.

I’m sure you do think we have a divine right to brush these teams aside but as Celtic and Dundee Utd found out recently - the size of a club doesn’t guarantee winning a football match.

I think if we win on Sat we’re almost certainly going to finish 3rd - some folk on the deadline day transfer thread were claiming we’d decided to give up on 3rd. I just can’t understand why we do this to ourselves.

[Hibbyradge]

I agree, I have also wanted Ross out but its clear he is going to get to the summer at least.

All this thread does is if Hibs win the people that want him to stay over praise him. I seen someone describing a win vs St Mirren as "Brilliant". My expectations is to beat teams like that most weeks, to describe that performance as Brilliant vs a 10 men Saints, needs their head looked at.

On the flip side if we lose the ones who want rid of him, go over the top with criticism (me included).

Maybe time to accept it's not brilliant nor is it a disaster and we still have alot to play for.

Regarding the win last night, St Mirren were in fantastic form and off the back of a 5-1 away win at Tannadice and another away win at Celtic. They were soaring up the league placings and no doubt had an eye on a European spot.

We had no right to go there expecting to win and, as has already been pointed out, we never have had. It was a terrific result and throws a completely different light on the rest of the season.

Do I think that Jack Ross is the best manager we've ever had? No, but I'm feeling increasingly churlish and uncomfortable with myself for not being able to give him the appropriate level of credit/praise for getting us to the position we're in.

[B.H.F.C]

I think it should stay open as a reminder to folk not to be so fickle after a few bad results. People weren't wanting it closed when they were on Ross's back.

I still don’t get the idea that folk are being fickle on the back of a few defeats.

It’s been simmering all season. Even when results have been positive, a fair number of folk have been pretty consistent in the view that they don’t enjoy watching us or whatever. The defeats just mean that escalates a bit.

[B.H.F.C]

I think if we win on Sat we’re almost certainly going to finish 3rd - some folk on the deadline day transfer thread were claiming we’d decided to give up on 3rd. I just can’t understand why we do this to ourselves.

I’ve been critical of Ross, and this team, but I totally agree with this bit. Particularly when you compare to what is going on up at Aberdeen. If we’d done the business they did folk would have been going daft. We had a better window for me.

[Since452]

I still don’t get the idea that folk are being fickle on the back of a few defeats.

It’s been simmering all season. Even when results have been positive, a fair number of folk have been pretty consistent in the view that they don’t enjoy watching us or whatever. The defeats just mean that escalates a bit.

What i mean by that was there were posters worried he was going to go to Celtic before out bad run etc. Folk have been consistent even before that which is fair enough. Fwiw I think its only a matter of time before another club come knocking on the door for him. The club we play on Saturday night be one.

[calumhibee1]

I still don’t get the idea that folk are being fickle on the back of a few defeats.

It’s been simmering all season. Even when results have been positive, a fair number of folk have been pretty consistent in the view that they don’t enjoy watching us or whatever. The defeats just mean that escalates a bit.

:agree:

Until/unless the football becomes a lot less turgid I’ve got to say I don’t think I’ll ever be bothered if he was to leave.

Football for me is entertainment, not purely results. If some folk only care about winning then that’s their perogative.

I personally feel that unless we’re suddenly going for the league where I could accept that the excitement of that would override the excitement of the actual style of play, I’ll want to see better football regardless of results and will probably never be able to take to JR much without it.

[WestCoastHibby]

Those who say the thread should be shut down probably grabbed their football and went home in a huff, when they were bairns.
I don't agree with everything on here and the negatively is overwhelming at times but people have the right to have an opinion

[Jim44]

Those who say the thread should be shut down probably grabbed their football and went home in a huff, when they were bairns.
I don't agree with everything on here and the negatively is overwhelming at times but people have the right to have an opinion

Nobody’s stopping folk having an opinion. Fill your boots with negativity about JR if that’s what you want......... I’ll probably join in when necessary or appropriate. All I’m saying is that this particular ‘poll’ thread, with the unfortunate title of ‘Ross out’ has run it’s course and the result is clearly in favour of him staying in the job. We don’t need to have the banner ‘Ross Out’ at the top of the board indefinitely. The title itself infers that JR’s jacket’s on a shoogly peg, which couldn’t be further from the truth. I’m obviously not articulate enough to put my case any clearer, so I’ll bow out and let the slagging continue. The dummy’s still in my pram, by the way. :greengrin ........ final thought. - change the thread title to ‘Ross stays’.

[matty_f]

I was speaking to a couple of friends, not Hibs fans but well aware of Scottish football and how we’re doing and they thought it was “outrageous” that folk would give serious consideration to sacking Ross given where we are in the league and the situation that everyone’s dealing with at the moment.

[Crunchie]

I was speaking to a couple of friends, not Hibs fans but well aware of Scottish football and how we’re doing and they thought it was “outrageous” that folk would give serious consideration to sacking Ross given where we are in the league and the situation that everyone’s dealing with at the moment.
I have similar friends and they can't believe it either, they thought I was joking when I told them there was a poll on here to have him sacked.

[FilipinoHibs]

I have similar friends and they can't believe it either, they thought I was joking when I told them there was a poll on here to have him sacked.

They have the disadvantage of not going to ER and hearing the rants and ravings of some fans.

[Ronniekirk]

When was the last time we were third in the league and fans wanted the manager out
Having said that the first half v st Mirren was dire and when they scored we reverted to type and pNicked at times although we saw it out Previous hibs teams would have conceded an equaliser
The Aberdeen game is now a chance for Ross to show he an win. Big game
Aberdeen have a knack of managing to close us down and out muscle us
But if Daz is back in and with Irvine and Cadden and Gogic in team hooefully we can get a win


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[oneone73]

Fwiw I think its only a matter of time before another club come knocking on the door for him. The club we play on Saturday night be one.

That would be a helluva commute from Northumbria. I think his next job will be back down south.

[Keith_M]

You do the Hokey Cokey and you turn around...

[Andy74]

:agree:

Until/unless the football becomes a lot less turgid I’ve got to say I don’t think I’ll ever be bothered if he was to leave.

Football for me is entertainment, not purely results. If some folk only care about winning then that’s their perogative.

I personally feel that unless we’re suddenly going for the league where I could accept that the excitement of that would override the excitement of the actual style of play, I’ll want to see better football regardless of results and will probably never be able to take to JR much without it.

If the football was turgid I’d agree but it isn’t. Isn’t even close.

[Onion]

When was the last time we were third in the league and fans wanted the manager out
Having said that the first half v st Mirren was dire and when they scored we reverted to type and pNicked at times although we saw it out Previous hibs teams would have conceded an equaliser
The Aberdeen game is now a chance for Ross to show he an win. Big game
Aberdeen have a knack of managing to close us down and out muscle us
But if Daz is back in and with Irvine and Cadden and Gogic in team hooefully we can get a win


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This will resolve itself if we manage to beat Aberdeen to 3rd place. Ross will be gone, along with a few of our better players. It’s what happens at Hibs.

[Northernhibee]

If the football was turgid I’d agree but it isn’t. Isn’t even close.

Yep. I see accusations of “hoof ball” on here, of it being turgid and other words like that but I don’t see it at all.

[Northernhibee]

I was speaking to a couple of friends, not Hibs fans but well aware of Scottish football and how we’re doing and they thought it was “outrageous” that folk would give serious consideration to sacking Ross given where we are in the league and the situation that everyone’s dealing with at the moment.

That’s because it is outrageous. I honestly think we may at the end of his spell with the club see him as the best since Mowbray, maybe longer. The signings have largely been very good, the ability to change shape and tactical awareness good and the league performance excellent. Add to that a pandemic affecting everything so much and he’s doing an outstanding job.

[jacomo]

I was speaking to a couple of friends, not Hibs fans but well aware of Scottish football and how we’re doing and they thought it was “outrageous” that folk would give serious consideration to sacking Ross given where we are in the league and the situation that everyone’s dealing with at the moment.


It is, to borrow a phrase, both unacceptable and an utter disgrace.

Hibs fans who want Ross out out.

[Allez Hibs]

It is, to borrow a phrase, both unacceptable and an utter disgrace.

Hibs fans who want Ross out out.

I think that's a bit harsh. Fans are allowed an opinion on a fans forum. 40% of the sample size clearly aren't happy with him. Let's be honest, results in big games have been very difficult to accept. 3rd just now but it's a 38 game season.

[Northernhibee]

I think that's a bit harsh. Fans are allowed an opinion on a fans forum. 40% of the sample size clearly aren't happy with him. Let's be honest, results in big games have been very difficult to accept.

Games against St Mirren and Hamilton carry the same amount of points as games vs Aberdeen and Rangers.

Cup games are a different story but that’s a different story, but each game in the league carries a similar weight to it. Three points.

[Allez Hibs]

Games against St Mirren and Hamilton carry the same amount of points as games vs Aberdeen and Rangers.

Cup games are a different story but that’s a different story, but each game in the league carries a similar weight to it. Three points.

For a number of reasons there are bigger league games than others, for example Saturday and its all to do with momentum, belief and confidence - psychological factors that lay down a marker. The approach Hibs take to Derbies being just another game clearly hasn't worked over the years and that's what Hanlon described the two semi finals as, just another game which wasn't great.

So for Liverpool on Sunday the Man City game is just another game? No chance.

[Saint Hibee]

Games against St Mirren and Hamilton carry the same amount of points as games vs Aberdeen and Rangers.

Cup games are a different story but that’s a different story, but each game in the league carries a similar weight to it. Three points.

So you'd enjoy and value a victory over Hamilton as much as one over, say, Hearts?

[Caversham Green]

I think that's a bit harsh. Fans are allowed an opinion on a fans forum. 40% of the sample size clearly aren't happy with him. Let's be honest, results in big games have been very difficult to accept. 3rd just now but it's a 38 game season.

That didn't seem to matter when we lost a couple of games to "lesser" opposition.

[Allez Hibs]

Would Gerrard or Lennon ever dream of calling an Old Firm game just another game, just another 3 points let alone get away with it?

Jack Ross needs to sort his approach to big games and record in them out quickly.

[jacomo]

I think that's a bit harsh. Fans are allowed an opinion on a fans forum. 40% of the sample size clearly aren't happy with him. Let's be honest, results in big games have been very difficult to accept. 3rd just now but it's a 38 game season.


I have it on good authority that Ron agrees with me. The entire ‘Ross out’ brigade will be BANNED from attending Easter Road until further notice.

Harsh? Maybe, but something needs to be done to address this madness.

[Dalianwanda]

I think that's a bit harsh. Fans are allowed an opinion on a fans forum. 40% of the sample size clearly aren't happy with him. Let's be honest, results in big games have been very difficult to accept. 3rd just now but it's a 38 game season.

A couple of draws this season against both sides of the old firm. Played OK in the last game against Rangers. Yes the semi finals were a disgrace & our results against the Dons are pish but we haven't performed badly in every big game. Ive not looked at the stats but Id guess we have a better recent record against the top teams than Aberdeen.

Saying that I'd love a big statement performance on Saturday & with the up in confidence from recent results think we will get one.

[jacomo]

So you'd enjoy and value a victory over Hamilton as much as one over, say, Hearts?


Managers are normally addressing their own players at press conferences etc.

Of course a derby win is worth more to us than a win over Hamilton, but a manager doesn’t want his squad to freeze in the big moments or wallow in despair after a defeat. Hence they will often downplay the significance of such games in public.

[Allez Hibs]

A couple of draws this season against both sides of the old firm. Played OK in the last game against Rangers. Yes the semi finals were a disgrace & our results against the Dons are pish but we haven't performed badly in every big game. Ive not looked at the stats but Id guess we have a better recent record against the top teams than Aberdeen.

Saying that I'd love a big statement performance on Saturday & with the up in confidence from recent results think we will get one.

I think we'd be bottom of a top 4 head to head table. Aberdeen have beaten us twice.

[PatHead]

Games against St Mirren and Hamilton carry the same amount of points as games vs Aberdeen and Rangers.

Cup games are a different story but that’s a different story, but each game in the league carries a similar weight to it. Three points.

Not sure I agree with that. Aberdeen gain on us at the same time.
Psychologically it has a bigger impact as well.
The bottom line is that we have to start taking points off the teams around us to build on the points we take from lower clubs.

[superfurryhibby]

The poll was posted on 23/1/21, I would imagine events of that day shaped a lot of people’s votes. I suspect that a poll that started just now would have a fairly different indication of people’s feeling around our manager.

[The Modfather]

There’s probably more posters that refer to those that want Ross Out and how ridiculous that is, than the actual number of those posters themselves.

Those that are happy with Ross are a majority. Those that are happy enough but also wouldn’t be overly bothered if he left (where I am as happy with recruitment and league position, but don’t enjoy watching us) are a minority. Those that want Ross out and won’t veer from that whatever he does are a much smaller minority.

I think the moaning about the Ross “haters” is out of proportion to the actual number of “haters” and is as boring as those that have made their kind up and will post to that effect regardless of how relevant the thread is to their view.

[Northernhibee]

So you'd enjoy and value a victory over Hamilton as much as one over, say, Hearts?

At the end of the season it’s worth the same points and if I’m on a plane to watch Hibs abroad I’d have forgotten that. A derby has bragging rights attached of course but a game vs Aberdeen has the same importance for me as a game vs Killie.

[SHODAN]

Aberdeen is the acid test. Win that and we've won a big game, putting us on the road to recovery.

We're the form team, and at home, so we SHOULD win.

[Allez Hibs]

At the end of the season it’s worth the same points and if I’m on a plane to watch Hibs abroad I’d have forgotten that. A derby has bragging rights attached of course but a game vs Aberdeen has the same importance for me as a game vs Killie.

So you don't view the game on Saturday as a six pointer?

[Northernhibee]

So you don't view the game on Saturday as a six pointer?

No, it’s three points like any other game. I don’t think it’s a “must win”, but rather a “don’t lose” game. We have momentum and if a team are going to feel the pressure more than the other it’s Aberdeen.

Intend to think if you build up things in anything too much you either put yourself under OTT pressure for certain situations and are liable to be complacent in others. I hope Jack Ross is preparing the team fully like we would any other game.

[basehibby]

Aberdeen is the acid test. Win that and we've won a big game, putting us on the road to recovery.

We're the form team, and at home, so we SHOULD win.

A win vs Aberdeen would go some way to addressing the critisism of Ross re "big games".

I feel the momentum is on our side with Aberdeen stuttering and Hibs looking to make it three wins on the bounce and with our new signings bedding in nicely. Here's hoping :cb

[blackpoolhibs]

I think the St Mirren game was a big game, considering they last couple of results they had, it was a much bigger game than Saturdays.

[hibsbollah]

I was speaking to a couple of friends, not Hibs fans but well aware of Scottish football and how we’re doing and they thought it was “outrageous” that folk would give serious consideration to sacking Ross given where we are in the league and the situation that everyone’s dealing with at the moment.

My geordie mate started to come up for Hibs games a couple of seasons ago. Went to a few games in hospitality with him as part of a weekend get together. Hes pretty scathing about the quality of our league compared to watching Newcastle but hes now adopted us as his second team, watches the highlights, gets club updates on his phone etc and knows most of the players. He doesnt get involved in messageboards. We were discussing the season, he said 'obviously Ross is doing a great job for you now, really made a success of it, Hibs in 3rd place etc etc'. Like your mates he was baffled that there was even any discussion about his future on sites like this.

[hibsbollah]

I think the St Mirren game was a big game, considering they last couple of results they had, it was a much bigger game than Saturdays.

I thought theyd beat us. Goodwin knows his onions and they have some good young players.

[WhileTheChief..]

The majority of posts calling for JR to go are made straight after a defeat, or in some cases, before the final whistle.

I'd bet that emotions play a big part in it.

Posts of 'worst Hibs team I've seen' or the like aren't really being taken seriously are they?

It's just an immediate reaction in the heat of the moment. There are less and less people saying he should go as time moves on from the end of each defeat.

I wouldn't read too much into it. I've not spoke to a single Hibs fan in real life that thinks he should go.

[H18 SFR]

My geordie mate started to come up for Hibs games a couple of seasons ago. Went to a few games in hospitality with him as part of a weekend get together. Hes pretty scathing about the quality of our league compared to watching Newcastle but hes now adopted us as his second team, watches the highlights, gets club updates on his phone etc and knows most of the players. He doesnt get involved in messageboards. We were discussing the season, he said 'obviously Ross is doing a great job for you now, really made a success of it, Hibs in 3rd place etc etc'. Like your mates he was baffled that there was even any discussion about his future on sites like this.

Let’s be honest, there isn’t really a ‘discussion’ though is there? It’s just folk venting their frustrations after a couple of sore results. The whole worse Hibs team ever, or worse team in 40 years shout isn’t genuine either. We also don’t play hoofball either.

I personally think all the frustration from lockdown and restrictions etc is causing folk to vent online in an overly exaggerated manner. I read last week on a non-football forum it was the coldest weather for 30 years according to a contributor - we know it wasn’t.

[calumhibee1]

If the football was turgid I’d agree but it isn’t. Isn’t even close.

Imo and plenty others opinions, it is. We’re ***** to watch.

If you think we’re really good to watch then I can only say I’m pretty jealous.

[B.H.F.C]

The majority of posts calling for JR to go are made straight after a defeat, or in some cases, before the final whistle.

I'd bet that emotions play a big part in it.

Posts of 'worst Hibs team I've seen' or the like aren't really being taken seriously are they?

It's just an immediate reaction in the heat of the moment. There are less and less people saying he should go as time moves on from the end of each defeat.

I wouldn't read too much into it. I've not spoke to a single Hibs fan in real life that thinks he should go.

This probably describes where I am.

After an hour against St Johnstone I’d have been firmly of the opinion that he could GTF. Once I take a step back, I’d agree that getting rid of him just now wouldn’t be a particularly bright idea.

At the same time, I am still to be convinced by him and this Hibs team and I haven’t particularly enjoyed watching us this season. Winning games like the one coming up on Saturday is the way to start convincing people like me. We’ve put ourselves in a good position in the league, I want to see us take advantage of that now.

[Peevemor]

The majority of posts calling for JR to go are made straight after a defeat, or in some cases, before the final whistle.

I'd bet that emotions play a big part in it.

Posts of 'worst Hibs team I've seen' or the like aren't really being taken seriously are they?

It's just an immediate reaction in the heat of the moment. There are less and less people saying he should go as time moves on from the end of each defeat.

I wouldn't read too much into it. I've not spoke to a single Hibs fan in real life that thinks he should go.

Maybe these people should count to 10 million before posting after a defeat instead of polluting this place with their knee-jerk garbage and ruining it for the less emotive posters.

There are many decent posters who no longer venture on here after a defeat because of the amount of poisonous and largely unmerited bile that's posted after a bad result. I fear there are many that are lost to the board forever - you only have to search through oldish threads to see the number of great contibutors that have simply vanished.

It never used to be anywhere near as bad.

[jacomo]

Imo and plenty others opinions, it is. We’re ***** to watch.

If you think we’re really good to watch then I’m pretty jealous.


It’s just folk like you desperate to justify your call for Jack Ross to go.

We’ve not been that easy on the eye this season but there are reasons for that - our most creative midfielder has hardly played and we’ve had new players and a new system to adapt to.

We’re not signing huddies and there’s more positives than negatives.

[calumhibee1]

It’s just folk like you desperate to justify your call for Jack Ross to go.

We’ve not been that easy on the eye this season but there are reasons for that - our most creative midfielder has hardly played and we’ve had new players and a new system to adapt to.

We’re not signing huddies and there’s more positives than negatives.

So it’s just folk like me that think we’re crap to watch yet you’ve went on to basically say the same thing? There’s been plenty other posters who haven’t wanted rid of Ross who have said we’re crap to watch. There’s even some of his biggest supporters on this site who keep saying they don’t care about the football and it’s all about the results - I’d suggest they wouldn’t be saying that if it wasn’t an acknowledgement that the football wasn’t great.

Whether there’s more positives than negatives or not, a lot of people still don’t enjoy watching the style of play we’re serving up.

[superfurryhibby]

I thought theyd beat us. Goodwin knows his onions and they have some good young players.

Goodwin has done a great job at St Mirren. I thought that they played decent football when I saw them at ER last year and liked the fact that they didn't resort to the cynical rotational fouling of the likes of Aberdeen. HIs side always want to play out from the back and rarely hoof the ball. Given the resource differential between them and the likes of us, Sheep and Dundee Utd, he's doing a very good job.

[calumhibee1]

Goodwin has done a great job at St Mirren. I thought that they played decent football when I saw them at ER last year and liked the fact that they didn't resort to the cynical rotational fouling of the likes of Aberdeen. HIs side always want to play out from the back and rarely hoof the ball. Given the resource differential between them and the likes of us, Sheep and Dundee Utd, he's doing a very good job.

:agree:

[Gordy M]

Goodwin has done a great job at St Mirren. I thought that they played decent football when I saw them at ER last year and liked the fact that they didn't resort to the cynical rotational fouling of the likes of Aberdeen. HIs side always want to play out from the back and rarely hoof the ball. Given the resource differential between them and the likes of us, Sheep and Dundee Utd, he's doing a very good job.

By the same token, ive got mates who support other teams(mostly old firml who comment on how well we play in the games they have seen.

I think football in general has been a tough watch this year whether in England or Scotland, maybe lack of crowds?? Liverpool have now failed to score in their last 3 home games.....thats crazy.

[Bangkok Hibby]

Maybe these people should count to 10 million before posting after a defeat instead of polluting this place with their knee-jerk garbage and ruining it for the less emotive posters.

There are many decent posters who no longer venture on here after a defeat because of the amount of poisonous and largely unmerited bile that's posted after a bad result. I fear there are many that are lost to the board forever - you only have to search through oldish threads to see the number of great contibutors that have simply vanished.

It never used to be anywhere near as bad.

"Polluting" "garbage" "poison" "bile"

I'm fairly new to the forum so didnt experience the good old days. I tend not to get involved in name calling or targeting other posters but you sir need to take some time out, go away and see what real bile is in a myriad of other social media sites and forums. Its positively benign here. Using the words you have to describe other members views would get you a warning on other sites. Chill man!

[Peevemor]

"Polluting" "garbage" "poison" "bile"

I'm fairly new to the forum so didnt experience the good old days. I tend not to get involved in name calling or targeting other posters but you sir need to take some time out, go away and see what real bile is in a myriad of other social media sites and forums. Its positively benign here. Using the words you have to describe other members views would get you a warning on other sites. Chill man!

I'm chilled thanks and I don't feel the need to retract anything I said. I do see what goes on on other social media and honestly, at times, were not a million miles away - not in terms of bad language but in terms of sentiment.

[Keith_M]

This 'conversation' just seems to be going round in ever decreasing circles.


Can't you just all agree to disagree?

[WhileTheChief..]

This 'conversation' just seems to be going round in ever decreasing circles.


Can't you just all agree to disagree?

I agree :greengrin

Some folk have trouble accepting that on a forum with thousands of users you’re going to get extreme views though.

Most of us can read them without passing comment, others not so much!

[jacomo]

So it’s just folk like me that think we’re crap to watch yet you’ve went on to basically say the same thing? There’s been plenty other posters who haven’t wanted rid of Ross who have said we’re crap to watch. There’s even some of his biggest supporters on this site who keep saying they don’t care about the football and it’s all about the results - I’d suggest they wouldn’t be saying that if it wasn’t an acknowledgement that the football wasn’t great.

Whether there’s more positives than negatives or not, a lot of people still don’t enjoy watching the style of play we’re serving up.


This is not the free-flowing Hibs team of my dreams but - at risk of repeating myself - there are mitigating circumstances for that.

More importantly, I’m not using criticism of our style of play to justify a spurious ‘Ross out’ campaign.

[h1bs4life]

I have it on good authority that Ron agrees with me. The entire ‘Ross out’ brigade will be BANNED from attending Easter Road until further notice.

Harsh? Maybe, but something needs to be done to address this madness.

Ron Gordon should maybe also check the season ticket 21-22 thread to see what some of the punters who have stumped up £400 this season and are expected to stump up another £400 next season think.
Seems to be a lot more posting on this thread rather than polluting the season ticket thread.
For me the jury is out on him , getting beat by a lower league team in a Scottish cup semi-final and humped in a League Cup Semi-final certainly had others and myself raging and wouldn't have bothered me if he was emptied
after either .
Hopefully he will prove us wrong and start winning big games and takes us to 3rd in league.
There was loads that seemed to brush aside semi-final defeats ,maybe they are ones that don't attend games normally so it doesn't hurt as much .
I know that I would rather have silverware over 3rd place in the league anytime.

[Peevemor]

I agree :greengrin

Some folk have trouble accepting that on a forum with thousands of users you’re going to get extreme views though.

Most of us can read them without passing comment, others not so much!

I'm confused.

People have the right to post their extreme views and it's a good thing not to post your own views in return. Is that it?

[jacomo]

Maybe these people should count to 10 million before posting after a defeat instead of polluting this place with their knee-jerk garbage and ruining it for the less emotive posters.

There are many decent posters who no longer venture on here after a defeat because of the amount of poisonous and largely unmerited bile that's posted after a bad result. I fear there are many that are lost to the board forever - you only have to search through oldish threads to see the number of great contibutors that have simply vanished.

It never used to be anywhere near as bad.


I’m actually ok with people venting frustration on the match day thread, especially as we can’t watch the football in person at the moment.

Easter Road is not a place for the faint hearted when we are losing and there is no reason why Hibs.net would be different.

However, there’s no need to carry on like that days later. It’s just a game!

[Peevemor]

I’m actually ok with people venting frustration on the match day thread, especially as we can’t watch the football in person at the moment.

Easter Road is not a place for the faint hearted when we are losing and there is no reason why Hibs.net would be different.

However, there’s no need to carry on like that days later. It’s just a game!

I agree with all that.

[Keith_M]

I’m actually ok with people venting frustration on the match day thread, especially as we can’t watch the football in person at the moment.

Easter Road is not a place for the faint hearted when we are losing and there is no reason why Hibs.net would be different.

However, there’s no need to carry on like that days later. It’s just a game!


Very good comment

:aok:


I actually think some people, though they will hesitate to admit it, are struggling with lockdown and are maybe a bit more argumentative than usual


Not me though, obviously :greengrin

[hibbysam]

Imo and plenty others opinions, it is. We’re ***** to watch.

If you think we’re really good to watch then I can only say I’m pretty jealous.

You do know there is a huge bit of middle ground between ‘we’re ***** to watch’ and ‘we’re really good to watch’?

We are nowhere near ***** to watch. We score plenty goals, we often defend very well, when our attacking players are on it we are fast and flowing in attack. No one is saying we’re Barcelona ‘09 but the obsession with ‘boring’ football is tedious when the majority of other supporters of teams we’ve come up against and experts compliment our football.

[calumhibee1]

You do know there is a huge bit of middle ground between ‘we’re ***** to watch’ and ‘we’re really good to watch’?

We are nowhere near ***** to watch. We score plenty goals, we often defend very well, when our attacking players are on it we are fast and flowing in attack. No one is saying we’re Barcelona ‘09 but the obsession with ‘boring’ football is tedious when the majority of other supporters of teams we’ve come up against and experts compliment our football.

When did I ever say there wasn’t a middle ground? Just because I don’t think we’re in that middle ground it doesn’t mean I don’t know it’s there.

You do realise that people can find us boring to watch even if you think we’re apparently nowhere near it?

Imo were the absolute opposite of flowing the vast majority of the time. Hence why I find us very boring. I’d say we grind teams down and that’s why we’ve been getting results. Aberdeen have done it for years now and we’ve slaughtered them for it as have their own fans. It shouldn’t come as a surprise when we start looking like them that folk are going to say the same thing about us.

Also, the majority of supporters and experts don’t compliment our style of football. That much is nonsense.

[MWHIBBIES]

It is telling how many people stopped watching us in about 2008 that they think this side is bad to watch IMO. Not everyone but many must have. This side aren't like Mowbrays side but nothing even near **** to watch.

[calumhibee1]

It is telling how many people stopped watching us in about 2008 that they think this side is bad to watch IMO. Not everyone but many must have. This side aren't like Mowbrays side but nothing even near **** to watch.

Having had a season ticket since 97/98 I’d suggest your tell is off.

You might not find them to crap to watch, that’s good news for you. Plenty do.

[Smartie]

I'll almost always enjoy watching Hibs win. You don't manage that without scoring at least one goal and you don't normally manage it without having defended well.

Very occasionally you play terribly and get away with it. A game against Partick under Fenlon springs to mind.

I'm not loving watching Hibs right now and when we don't win our style of play does lend itself to criticism of the manager. But even when we're not firing on all cylinders I'm generally happy when we get the job done.

Put it this way - an excellent league position is there for the taking. If we achieve that and end up looking forward to some big European games next year then I won't care how it has been achieved, and I'm prepared to endure a bit of gnashing and wailing on Hibs.net along the way.

[Blaster]

When did I ever say there wasn’t a middle ground? Just because I don’t think we’re in that middle ground it doesn’t mean I don’t know it’s there.

You do realise that people can find us boring to watch even if you think we’re apparently nowhere near it?

Imo were the absolute opposite of flowing the vast majority of the time. Hence why I find us very boring. I’d say we grind teams down and that’s why we’ve been getting results. Aberdeen have done it for years now and we’ve slaughtered them for it as have their own fans. It shouldn’t come as a surprise when we start looking like them that folk are going to say the same thing about us.

Like many on here I miss going to the games and I think watching the game on TV is boring in comparison.I think that has an impact on how we are seeing things at the moment. I’m finding very few games overall on the telly are a good watch.

I’ve been to some games then came back to the pub where folk have just watched on TV. They’ve thought it was crap whereas I thought it was a good game actually being there.

So whilst I don’t think the standard of our football is where we’d all like it to be, I do think more consideration needs to be given to no fans/having to watch on TV.

And hopefully we’ll get back next season and everything improves

[calumhibee1]

Like many on here I miss going to the games and I think watching the game on TV is boring in comparison.I think that has an impact on how we are seeing things at the moment. I’m finding very few games overall on the telly are a good watch.

I’ve been to some games then came back to the pub where folk have just watched on TV. They’ve thought it was crap whereas I thought it was a good game actually being there.

So whilst I don’t think the standard of our football is where we’d all like it to be, I do think more consideration needs to be given to no fans/having to watch on TV.

And hopefully we’ll get back next season and everything improves

I’d agree with that to an exten but I’ve still saw plenty decent games on the tv without fans as well. It’s not an impossibility that football can be entertaining but I don’t doubt that it doesn’t help matters.

[MWHIBBIES]

Having had a season ticket since 97/98 I’d suggest your tell is off.

You might not find them to crap to watch, that’s good news for you. Plenty do.

I said not everyone. Still, you should've seen plenty teams that were actually crap to watch.

[superfurryhibby]

Like many on here I miss going to the games and I think watching the game on TV is boring in comparison.I think that has an impact on how we are seeing things at the moment. I’m finding very few games overall on the telly are a good watch.

I’ve been to some games then came back to the pub where folk have just watched on TV. They’ve thought it was crap whereas I thought it was a good game actually being there.

So whilst I don’t think the standard of our football is where we’d all like it to be, I do think more consideration needs to be given to no fans/having to watch on TV.

And hopefully we’ll get back next season and everything improves

I tend to agree with what you’re saying. The game without fans is much less engaging for me.

Players must feel this too. Crowds have been a part of their careers and most players would say that we spur them on, add a wee bit of edge and up the adrenalin.

I remember under Calderwood, we were shocking and definitely a contender for relegation. We signed Sodje, Towell and Paalson, brought back Callum Booth from loan. We won a couple of games and turned a corner and the fans really backed the team in those games. I’m convinced we played a part in getting them over the line.

[hibbysam]

When did I ever say there wasn’t a middle ground? Just because I don’t think we’re in that middle ground it doesn’t mean I don’t know it’s there.

You do realise that people can find us boring to watch even if you think we’re apparently nowhere near it?

Imo were the absolute opposite of flowing the vast majority of the time. Hence why I find us very boring. I’d say we grind teams down and that’s why we’ve been getting results. Aberdeen have done it for years now and we’ve slaughtered them for it as have their own fans. It shouldn’t come as a surprise when we start looking like them that folk are going to say the same thing about us.

Also, the majority of supporters and experts don’t compliment our style of football. That much is nonsense.

The poster you replied to said we were far from turgid. You jumped straight into the ‘if you think were really good to watch then I’m jealous’. No one apart from you said we were ‘really good to watch’ but just that we weren’t as ***** and boring as you like to make out. Ross is a year into a project, you get bored, fair enough. Others don’t. Lack of fans, atmosphere, and the pressure of needing to finish in the top 4 this year are all factors, as is missing a fair chunk of our players at each point.

It’s also very difficult in this league to play swashbuckling fast attacking football seeing as there are very stuffy opponents most weeks, some very good players playing against us, and the pitches are pish. Sign of a very good team and manager that can mix it up and win games when things are going against you, while also winning games in style other weeks.

[Since452]

It's a shame this team aren't benefiting from a big home support every second week. I think Hibs are feeling the effect of no fans more than any club outside the old firm. Hibs are by far the biggest supported club outside them and other clubs won't feel the lack of atmosphere at home games as much as we do. Livingston or St Johnstone probably don't notice the difference! If we had 16/17k every second week I'm sure our home form would be better. Hypothetical I know but the points tally could have been even better if we had fans in. The old firm have the quality and us and Aberdeen do to a smaller extent but fans really can be a 12th man for us.

[Brightside]

If anyone is finding it murder to watch just dip into all the other games that are on right now. There are very few games those season that’s aren’t very similar. People are dreaming of a style of football that just doesn’t exist in very many games in Scotland. I could see the concern if we were somehow a poorer watch than other teams. But we aren’t. We are 3rd. We’ve had plenty good games and a fair few poor ones. That’s just the Scottish league.

[Shrekko]

Scored more goals than anyone else outside the Old Firm, whilst conceding less than anyone than anyone outside the Old Firm but we're so boring that it's been mentioned more often that it was under managers like Butcher, Heckingbottom and Fenlon.

Scottish football always look terrible on tv but Ross Jack does not set any team out to solely contain or defend. God knows how people would hack us playing like Aberdeen, St Johnstone or Dundee United.

Entertaining Hibs teams have been few and far between in the past 40 years- not sure where this myth comes from that as fans we expect and demand free flowing football. Good luck expecting that in any SPFL game. Most years people have bemoaned us being too soft.

[Alfred E Newman]

One of the gripes on here was, "why can't we be like Aberdeen and grind out results"
We are doing that, and like Aberdeen the quality of football isn't great but it's getting results.

[JammyDoidger]

Honestly don't know how anyone can find winning football boring..if you want entertained watch Man City or something in your spare time, I watch hibs to watch us win, that gives me the greatest satisfaction. Don't care how we win, just win. And I wish that mentality was instilled right through our club, then we wouldn't bottle so many big games.

[The Modfather]

Scored more goals than anyone else outside the Old Firm, whilst conceding less than anyone than anyone outside the Old Firm but we're so boring that it's been mentioned more often that it was under managers like Butcher, Heckingbottom and Fenlon.

Scottish football always look terrible on tv but Ross Jack does not set any team out to solely contain or defend. God knows how people would hack us playing like Aberdeen, St Johnstone or Dundee United.

Entertaining Hibs teams have been few and far between in the past 40 years- not sure where this myth comes from that as fans we expect and demand free flowing football. Good luck expecting that in any SPFL game. Most years people have bemoaned us being too soft.

Hyperbole!

Not sure why there’s such a concerted effort at times to disprove something that’s subjective like how enjoyable the style of football has been. Without wanting to labour the point as I’ve posted about it enough, but I’ve not enjoyed large chunks of this season, win, lose or draw and also large chunks within games. There’s few games we’ve played badly so it’s been difficult to criticise, but in those same games it’s been difficult to get excited either, generally best described as, meh. To counter that, not that it needs countered as it’s just a subjective opinion that I don’t think is extreme. The signings have been good, the league position is good and we’re building a good foundation for the mid term whether that’s Ross or someone else. This season isn’t one I’ll look back on with much fondness wherever we finish.

[JammyDoidger]

If we could get in the grounds I think some of the away performances in particular would have been very enjoyable. And there would be a much better feel round the place.

[Since452]

Honestly don't know how anyone can find winning football boring..if you want entertained watch Man City or something in your spare time, I watch hibs to watch us win, that gives me the greatest satisfaction. Don't care how we win, just win. And I wish that mentality was instilled right through our club, then we wouldn't bottle so many big games.

Give me boring, turgid 1-0 wins all season. Couldn't give a **** as long as my team is as far up the league as possible

[Smartie]

If we could get in the grounds I think some of the away performances in particular would have been very enjoyable. And there would be a much better feel round the place.

Easter Road might have been unbearable at times though.

Funny though that we've struggled most this season at places where our fans might have become restless if things were going against us - Easter Road and Hampden, whereas we've been quite carefree elsewhere.

[jacomo]

One of the gripes on here was, "why can't we be like Aberdeen and grind out results"
We are doing that, and like Aberdeen the quality of football isn't great but it's getting results.


Exactly, it’s a balance.

I love pretty football but fans will moan that we don’t do the ugly stuff.

Win more than we lose and fans will moan.

Obviously, outplaying our opponents every week and smashing in goals for fun is what we want, but when we are short of that we need to take stock and recognise where we are, imo.

We are in 3rd place.

[Since452]

We used to play Celtic and Rangers off the park in Glasgow under Mowbray and lose at home to Dundee etc. Lost to Dumbarton and Alloa etc under Stubbs but won a couple of derbys and Rangers games. Beat an all conquering Celtic at ER under Lennon and finished 4th but failed to win 17 Championship games under him. Every manager in our history has had shocking results, even our good ones. Been a long time since we were 3rd in February, let's just go with it and see what happens.

[Smartie]

If ever there was a season where the ends justify the means it is this one.

We're not there to witness it. We might be next season.

Earning a bumper load of European football - I genuinely don't care how it's done.

Within reason. EBTs, bumping poppy charities etc I'd rather we avoided.

[NORTHERNHIBBY]

Give me boring, turgid 1-0 wins all season. Couldn't give a **** as long as my team is as far up the league as possible

Better to win ugly than lose pretty. Results first and then performances.

[Brightside]

Better to win ugly than lose pretty. Results first and then performances.

It would be interesting to see our tickets sales if people were allowed in right now. I remember almost having a row between 4/5 of us under Butcher. For those on the forum that arent liking the football would they also not be attending? 3rd in the league .....would we only have 7000 fans or less? I reckon we would be close to sell out every game.

[hibee-boys]

The majority of calls for Ross to go were emotional over reactions after the semi loss. However, the longer this stigma of his team not stepping us in big games continues the more pressure will be felt by him and the team. A win on Saturday would probably put that to bed for now but easier said then done. He needs to motivate the players, execute a plan and it’s then up to the players to then step up on the pitch. Could be a very decisive game, over to you Jack & Co!

[Shrekko]

Hyperbole!

Not sure why there’s such a concerted effort at times to disprove something that’s subjective like how enjoyable the style of football has been. Without wanting to labour the point as I’ve posted about it enough, but I’ve not enjoyed large chunks of this season, win, lose or draw and also large chunks within games. There’s few games we’ve played badly so it’s been difficult to criticise, but in those same games it’s been difficult to get excited either, generally best described as, meh. To counter that, not that it needs countered as it’s just a subjective opinion that I don’t think is extreme. The signings have been good, the league position is good and we’re building a good foundation for the mid term whether that’s Ross or someone else. This season isn’t one I’ll look back on with much fondness wherever we finish.

Hey you can call it what you want but I’ve not heard as many references to boring football in many years. Maybe it’s the one’s doing the whining about that who are exaggerating somewhat?

If we get 3rd and more or less guarantee euro group football of some kind it’ll be a remarkable feat considering where we were a year ago. If that doesn’t float your boat that’s fine but I’d like to think most of us will be fairly excited about managing that.

[shetlandhibee]

Hey you can call it what you want but I’ve not heard as many references to boring football in many years. Maybe it’s the one’s doing the whining about that who are exaggerating somewhat?

If we get 3rd and more or less guarantee euro group football of some kind it’ll be a remarkable feat considering where we were a year ago. If that doesn’t float your boat that’s fine but I’d like to think most of us will be fairly excited about managing that.:top marks

[Crunchie]

Hyperbole!

Not sure why there’s such a concerted effort at times to disprove something that’s subjective like how enjoyable the style of football has been. Without wanting to labour the point as I’ve posted about it enough, but I’ve not enjoyed large chunks of this season, win, lose or draw and also large chunks within games. There’s few games we’ve played badly so it’s been difficult to criticise, but in those same games it’s been difficult to get excited either, generally best described as, meh. To counter that, not that it needs countered as it’s just a subjective opinion that I don’t think is extreme. The signings have been good, the league position is good and we’re building a good foundation for the mid term whether that’s Ross or someone else. This season isn’t one I’ll look back on with much fondness wherever we finish.
I don't think anyone will look back on this season with any fondness either, and that's nothing to do with football.

[h1bs4life]

Honestly don't know how anyone can find winning football boring..if you want entertained watch Man City or something in your spare time, I watch hibs to watch us win, that gives me the greatest satisfaction. Don't care how we win, just win. And I wish that mentality was instilled right through our club, then we wouldn't bottle so many big games.

Agree watched every game this season and always delighted when we win.
My gripe is big game performances cup semi finals , games against the old firm , Aberdeen and Hertz.
As always will renew season ticket year but still to be convinced that Ross can win big games and I was happy when he got the job.

[Hibernian Verse]

I think that if we were at the games we would be finding it much more enjoyable & entertaining. Watching it on the TV leaves us feeling disconnected from what's going on at Easter Road.

I can only speak for myself but the buzz of winning a ground out win usually outweighs how we played when leaving the stadium (especially away), but now all we have is our phones/laptops to jump on hibs.net immediately after and we are stuck in the house for the night.

It's been a whole year since any of us had that buzz of leaving Easter Road with thousands of other happy fans, kids telling their Dads, Mums, Brothers, Sisters & pals how good that winning goal was etc etc the whole matchday experience is sorely missed and I think that's part of the disharmony on here.

[Mr. Wonderful]

Imo and plenty others opinions, it is. We’re ***** to watch.

If you think we’re really good to watch then I can only say I’m pretty jealous.

Pretty sure you're the guy who was deeply in love with Mr nae goals, Hecky. Don't you see the irony?

[Since452]

In the style of Kevin Keegan I'd love it if we beat Aberdeen tomorrow, love it. Even though he's already battered Aberdeen as Hibs manager another win will hopefully put the big game stuff to bed.

[blackpoolhibs]

Pretty sure you're the guy who was deeply in love with Mr nae goals, Hecky. Don't you see the irony?

Dont be daft, we may not have scored many goals under Hecky (remember he was at the wheel), but we played like the 70s Brazil side, so it was ok. :faf:

[calumhibee1]

Pretty sure you're the guy who was deeply in love with Mr nae goals, Hecky. Don't you see the irony?

Deeply in love because I thought he’d turn it round for a bit longer than some others did and eventually said he should be sacked? That’s quite the way to look at it.

[B.H.F.C]

In the style of Kevin Keegan I'd love it if we beat Aberdeen tomorrow, love it. Even though he's already battered Aberdeen as Hibs manager another win will hopefully put the big game stuff to bed.

No it won’t. It would be a positive result and make us favourites for third but folk aren’t going to forget the thing they’ve been criticising all year. It’ll take some sustained improvement in games against the better sides to put anything to bed but it needs to start somewhere.

[calumhibee1]

No it won’t. It would be a positive result and make us favourites for third but folk aren’t going to forget the thing they’ve been criticising all year. It’ll take some sustained improvement in games against the better sides to put anything to bed but it needs to start somewhere.

To be fair, I’d be more than willing to accept it puts it to bed to an extent and I’ve been one of his biggest critics of his big game record.

Of course if we went on to not win the next 3 or 4 after that then questions would need to be asked again as to why his record in big games is so bad, but a win tomorrow would put it to bed until such a time comes round (if it ever does, hopefully it wouldn’t of course) for me.

[B.H.F.C]

To be fair, I’d be more than willing to accept it puts it to bed to an extent and I’ve been one of his biggest critics of his big game record.

Of course if we went on to not win the next 3 or 4 after that then questions would need to be asked again as to why his record in big games is so bad, but a win tomorrow would put it to bed until such a time comes round (if it ever does, hopefully it wouldn’t of course) for me.

That’s kind of my point though. It might mean there is less noise for a few weeks but some folk will still point to his overall record in ‘big’ games and/or simply wait until we lose the next ‘big’ game and off we go again.

[Since452]

No it won’t. It would be a positive result and make us favourites for third but folk aren’t going to forget the thing they’ve been criticising all year. It’ll take some sustained improvement in games against the better sides to put anything to bed but it needs to start somewhere.

You might be waiting a while if you think we're going to beat Celtic and Rangers. The only two better sides than us in Scotland.

[B.H.F.C]

You might be waiting a while if you think we're going to beat Celtic and Rangers. The only two better sides than us in Scotland.

So you genuinely think that a win tomorrow and this ‘big game’ thing disappears?

I’m not even arguing whether it should or shouldn’t be a thing. Simply saying that, even with a win tomorrow, it still will be a thing for plenty folk.

As for your point about being able to beat either of the big two in a one off game (more so Celtic at the moment) that’s the spirit.

[Since452]

So you genuinely think that a win tomorrow and this ‘big game’ thing disappears?

I’m not even arguing whether it should or shouldn’t be a thing. Simply saying that, even with a win tomorrow, it still will be a thing for plenty folk.

As for your point about being able to beat either of the big two in a one off game (more so Celtic at the moment) that’s the spirit.

I think the big game thing is nonsense regardless of what happenes tomorrow.

[B.H.F.C]

I think the big game thing is nonsense regardless of what happenes tomorrow.

Aye but many don’t share your view, so it doesn’t disappear does it.

[calumhibee1]

I think the big game thing is nonsense regardless of what happenes tomorrow.

Out of interest - what part of it do you think is nonsense? The concept of ‘big games’? Including the OF in big games? Or do you just think our record in these games is actually alright?

[scoopyboy]

Aye but many don’t share your view, so it doesn’t disappear does it.

It may never disappear, win our next game against, Hearts, Rangers or Celtic and folks will claim it's just one game in x however.

[Northernhibee]

It may never disappear, win our next game against, Hearts, Rangers or Celtic and folks will claim it's just one game in x however.

Or “but it was a terrible Aberdeen/Celtic” team or “Rangers played pish”.

[B.H.F.C]

It may never disappear, win our next game against, Hearts, Rangers or Celtic and folks will claim it's just one game in x however.

That’s back to my original point though, that there needs to be a sustainable run of decent results in those that are deemed to be ‘big’ games for any shift in opinion. And that doesn’t mean winning every one of them because that won’t happen.

The poster I quoted reckons a win tomorrow puts the ‘big’ game thing to bed. I’m only disagreeing with that point, for the reason you mention.

[scoopyboy]

That’s back to my original point though, that there needs to be a sustainable run of decent results in those that are deemed to be ‘big’ games for any shift in opinion. And that doesn’t mean winning every one of them because that won’t happen.

The poster I quoted reckons a win tomorrow puts the ‘big’ game thing to bed. I’m only disagreeing with that point, for the reason you mention.

I see where you are coming from and agree regarding tomorrow's result.

Even back in the day of Turnbulls Tornadoes we used to have poor results against the Old Firm but there were never claims Turnbull must go because of it.

Going even further back when Hibs won the League three times soon after the war we had a terrible record against Hearts. Can't be bothered checking it out but I'm sure one year we won it and lost 5-1 at home to Hearts on New Year's Day.

It's a tall order turning the Old Firm over on a regular basis, not so much Aberdeen and Hearts.

[Keith_M]

I see where you are coming from and agree regarding tomorrow's result.

Even back in the day of Turnbulls Tornadoes we used to have poor results against the Old Firm but there were never claims Turnbull must go because of it.
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Not all under Turnbull, but...

1969: Celtic 6 - 2 Hibs (LC Final)
1972: Celtic 6 - 1 Hibs (SC Final)
1974: Celtic 6 - 3 Hibs (LC Final)


Yet people look back misty eyed at that era as being a golden age for Hibs.

[stantonhibby]

Not all under Turnbull, but...

1969: Celtic 6 - 2 Hibs (LC Final)
1972: Celtic 6 - 1 Hibs (SC Final)
1974: Celtic 6 - 3 Hibs (LC Final)


Yet people look back misty eyed at that era as being a golden age for Hibs.

Horrible.....the tennis finals...lost in straight sets. Dixie Deans scored 2 hat-tricks. Thankfully i was too young to attend but can see why the 72 LC win meant so much to my dad!

[ancient hibee]

If Aberdeen were 8th in the league would it be a big game? If Hamilton were 4th in the league would it be a big game? Or if you’re trying to finish as high in the league as possible is every game a big game? Cup semi finals and finals are big games.

[Since452]

Out of interest - what part of it do you think is nonsense? The concept of ‘big games’? Including the OF in big games? Or do you just think our record in these games is actually alright?

We're sitting 3rd in the league because Jack Ross knows how to win games. We have the 3rd best points total since Jack Ross took the job because he knows how to win games. We're on course for 3rd and a record points total because Jack Ross knows how to win games. If Ross had never beaten Hearts or Aberdeen then it may have been an issue but he has. Celtic and Rangers should be papping us every time so I'd never judge games against them. Fwiw we've played pretty well against them. Even if we beat Aberdeen tomorrow the big game nonsense will still get brought up. He's been here just over a year. Judge him when he's been here as long as Stubbs, Lennon etc.

[Hibernian Verse]

If Aberdeen were 8th in the league would it be a big game? If Hamilton were 4th in the league would it be a big game? Or if you’re trying to finish as high in the league as possible is every game a big game? Cup semi finals and finals are big games.

Every game from now on in is a big game. It's crunch time with 11 (I think) games left and Group Stage football on offer.

[Allez Hibs]

I think the big game thing is nonsense regardless of what happenes tomorrow.

Don't understand how its nonsense. His record in these games is woeful. It would be nice going into these games knowing Hibs will take the game to them from the start with wave after wave of attack trying to get a goal in first 20minutes. I agree with the poster that it will take sustained results in big games to put the big game stigma to bed.

[Allez Hibs]

Not all under Turnbull, but...

1969: Celtic 6 - 2 Hibs (LC Final)
1972: Celtic 6 - 1 Hibs (SC Final)
1974: Celtic 6 - 3 Hibs (LC Final)


Yet people look back misty eyed at that era as being a golden age for Hibs.

Thats because we finished 2nd a number of times, got to finals and won trophies.

[oneone73]

Thats because we finished 2nd a number of times, got to finals and won trophies.

And played wonderful football, and won 7-0 at Tynie

[Allez Hibs]

We're sitting 3rd in the league because Jack Ross knows how to win games. We have the 3rd best points total since Jack Ross took the job because he knows how to win games. We're on course for 3rd and a record points total because Jack Ross knows how to win games. If Ross had never beaten Hearts or Aberdeen then it may have been an issue but he has. Celtic and Rangers should be papping us every time so I'd never judge games against them. Fwiw we've played pretty well against them. Even if we beat Aberdeen tomorrow the big game nonsense will still get brought up. He's been here just over a year. Judge him when he's been here as long as Stubbs, Lennon etc.

Does he know how to win semi finals?

[calumhibee1]

We're sitting 3rd in the league because Jack Ross knows how to win games. We have the 3rd best points total since Jack Ross took the job because he knows how to win games. We're on course for 3rd and a record points total because Jack Ross knows how to win games. If Ross had never beaten Hearts or Aberdeen then it may have been an issue but he has. Celtic and Rangers should be papping us every time so I'd never judge games against them. Fwiw we've played pretty well against them. Even if we beat Aberdeen tomorrow the big game nonsense will still get brought up. He's been here just over a year. Judge him when he's been here as long as Stubbs, Lennon etc.

Whilst those things are all true, none of them do anything to dispel the idea that our big game record under JR is pretty bad surely? Saying aye but we beat Killie, Hamilton etc regularly doesn’t mean that it’s nonsense that we don’t win the bigger games nearly often enough, it just means that we have a decent record outwith big games. Jack Ross has managed all those things despite his big game record, not because his poor big game record is nonsense.

[Since452]

Whilst those things are all true, none of them do anything to dispel the idea that our big game record under JR is pretty bad surely? Saying aye but we beat Killie, Hamilton etc regularly doesn’t mean that it’s nonsense that we don’t win the bigger games nearly often enough, it just means that we have a decent record outwith big games. Jack Ross has managed all those things despite his big game record, not because his poor big game record is nonsense.

What constitutes a big game though? For me our last two were the biggest of our league season so far. Massive games.

[Since452]

Does he know how to win semi finals?

Does Steven Gerrard? Can he even get to them?

[wandering_hibee]

Not all under Turnbull, but...

1969: Celtic 6 - 2 Hibs (LC Final)
1972: Celtic 6 - 1 Hibs (SC Final)
1974: Celtic 6 - 3 Hibs (LC Final)


Yet people look back misty eyed at that era as being a golden age for Hibs.
Thanks, I was at all of these and really didn't want to be reminded :boo hoo:

Your point is right though, I have been watching Hibs since mid 60's and we have often failed, sometimes very badly against the old firm. The really good wins are few and far between and always very welcome.

[Allez Hibs]

Does Steven Gerrard? Can he even get to them?

Would Steven Gerrard say an Old Firm game is just another game? And Gerrards record in Old Firms isn't bad is it.

[B.H.F.C]

I see where you are coming from and agree regarding tomorrow's result.

Even back in the day of Turnbulls Tornadoes we used to have poor results against the Old Firm but there were never claims Turnbull must go because of it.

Going even further back when Hibs won the League three times soon after the war we had a terrible record against Hearts. Can't be bothered checking it out but I'm sure one year we won it and lost 5-1 at home to Hearts on New Year's Day.

It's a tall order turning the Old Firm over on a regular basis, not so much Aberdeen and Hearts.

I hear what you’re saying about the Old Firm. I’m not expecting us to beat them regularly. But I’d like to have the belief that we can beat them and I don’t think that is there currently. The only game against them since Ross has come in where I think we’ve played really well was the 2-2 game with Rangers. We’ve competed in other games against the pair of them but I thought our aggression and quality in that game was so much better than any other time we’ve faced either since he came in.

We’re in a really strong position to go and get third now. We’ll definitely need to win some ‘big’ games with a bit of pressure on them to get that spot. I hope we make a start on that tomorrow.

[Northernhibee]

Don't understand how its nonsense. His record in these games is woeful. It would be nice going into these games knowing Hibs will take the game to them from the start with wave after wave of attack trying to get a goal in first 20minutes. I agree with the poster that it will take sustained results in big games to put the big game stigma to bed.

Considering Aberdeen keep things very tight and look to lump it forward to fashion a chance, launching "wave after wave of attack" leaves us open for the counter attack straight away. We're best starting off the game by keeping it tight, probe for weaknesses and force them out of their game plan that has gotten them so many results. Aberdeen with a goal to defend are a different beast than at 0-0 and if we make an error that allows them to do that then we're in a considerably worse situation than getting to HT at 0-0.

The most memorable Aberdeen wins at ER in recent years had HT scores of 0-0 - the 2-0 cup win with Cummings and Malonga's wondergoal, the 3-0 win under Ross with Boyle and Kamberi on the scoresheet (but seemingly that doesn't count as a big game, a 3-0 against Aberdeen). You don't beat Aberdeen by not playing responsible and pragmatic football and that's what I expect we'll see.

[Since452]

Would Steven Gerrard say an Old Firm game is just another game? And Gerrards record in Old Firms isn't bad is it.

He's far longer into a project at Rangers than Ross is at Hibs. It's all relative.

[blackpoolhibs]

Would losing to Aberdeen 3-2 be acceptable if we'd played wonderful expansive football, or would folk prefer a drab 1-0 win?

[calumhibee1]

What constitutes a big game though? For me our last two were the biggest of our league season so far. Massive games.

As much as it’s down to interpretation I’d suggest that the club view certain fixtures as bigger than others based on their categorisation methods - Rangers, Celtic, Hearts and Aberdeen. I’d doubt anyone would argue that cup semi finals and finals are big games regardless. They’re also the games where our record under Ross has been pretty poor.

I would agree though that the last two probably were the biggest of our league season so far so with that in mind I should probably cut him a bit of slack in that regard. I would say though that I think tomorrow’s game is even bigger than the last two. As I said earlier today, win tomorrow and I know I’d be willing to give him a bit of a break on the big game front and hope that was the start of us turning a corner when it comes to these games.

[Allez Hibs]

Considering Aberdeen keep things very tight and look to lump it forward to fashion a chance, launching "wave after wave of attack" leaves us open for the counter attack straight away. We're best starting off the game by keeping it tight, probe for weaknesses and force them out of their game plan that has gotten them so many results. Aberdeen with a goal to defend are a different beast than at 0-0 and if we make an error that allows them to do that then we're in a considerably worse situation than getting to HT at 0-0.

The most memorable Aberdeen wins at ER in recent years had HT scores of 0-0 - the 2-0 cup win with Cummings and Malonga's wondergoal, the 3-0 win under Ross with Boyle and Kamberi on the scoresheet (but seemingly that doesn't count as a big game, a 3-0 against Aberdeen). You don't beat Aberdeen by not playing responsible and pragmatic football and that's what I expect we'll see.

The 2-0 win in the league in February 2018 stands out for me. That was a proper good performance.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/43013098

[Allez Hibs]

Would losing to Aberdeen 3-2 be acceptable if we'd played wonderful expansive football, or would folk prefer a drab 1-0 win?

1-0 win and 3 points tomorrow all day.

[Northernhibee]

The 2-0 win in the league in February 2018 stands out for me. That was a proper good performance.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/43013098

Again, 0-0 at HT and both goals scored in the second half.

Nothing wrong with looking for a goal in the first half but we need to be streetwise and not play into Aberdeen's hands by overcommiting players. They struggle to score from open play so the less opportunities we give them the better. Starting on the counter and forcing them to come out will work well for us and allow Boyle and Murphy to get in behind. Their centre backs are also imposing so we need to find space.

I kind of wish we had Mallan for this game as Joe Lewis has more than one mistake in him and if we had him peppering shots in from 25 yards out then I'd fancy him to get on the scoresheet.

[Stanton Spence]

This Aberdeen game is only classed as a big game due to the fact that JR has got us up into third in the league with European group stage football within touching distance. If we were sitting mid table and even if Aberdeen were challenging for the title then nobody would be calling this a big game win or lose
If our manager was as bad as folk are trying to make out then the only big games we would have to look forward to would be Hamilton Ross County etc in relegation battles

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[HFC93]

Would losing to Aberdeen 3-2 be acceptable if we'd played wonderful expansive football, or would folk prefer a drab 1-0 win?

I think some Hibs fans would prefer to see thrilling 4-4 draws instead of drab 1-0 wins. They would rather see exciting glorious failure instead of a side grinding out wins. I can't get my head round it. I could be way off, but it's just the impression I get.

[basehibby]

Imo and plenty others opinions, it is. We’re ***** to watch.

If you think we’re really good to watch then I can only say I’m pretty jealous.

You never tire of bleating on about how ***** we are to watch though - well I don't agree with you either. I have seen some bland football at ER before - Fenlon and Heckingbottom being recent examples - and over thepiece, Ross' Hibs don't come close.
It would be fair to say that Ross' sides exhibit a bit more caution than Lennon's sides for example - but let's face it, we would be hard pushed to find many sides since the Famous 5 that were as entertaining as Lennon's sides in their full swagger.

But lest we forget, Lennon also presided over some disasters - and I would maintain that watching Ross' Hibs pick up a counter-attacking 3 points on the road is far more enjoyable than watching one of Lenny's more bizzare starting line-ups fail to click and slump to defeat - something which we saw all too often towards the end of his reign.

No football managers are perfect - they all have strengths and weaknesses - you would do well as a Hibs fan to start acknowledging some positives lest you be labelled a Yam interloper in response to your continual gratuitous negativity.

[basehibby]

This Aberdeen game is only classed as a big game due to the fact that JR has got us up into third in the league with European group stage football within touching distance. If we were sitting mid table and even if Aberdeen were challenging for the title then nobody would be calling this a big game win or lose

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Don't agree - outside of the OF and the Yams, Aberdeen are far and away our "biggest" league fixture year in and year out. And, assuming we are competing at the right end of the league table, they will also be our direct rivals for european places. So - you are wrong - Hibs vs Aberdeen is - almost without exception - a "big" game. This time round it just happens to be "bigger" than normal.

[Stanton Spence]

Don't agree - outside of the OF and the Yams, Aberdeen are far and away our "biggest" league fixture year in and year out. And, assuming we are competing at the right end of the league table, they will also be our direct rivals for european places. So - you are wrong - Hibs vs Aberdeen is - almost without exception - a "big" game. This time round it just happens to be "bigger" than normal.I also don't agree with your opinion but that's what forums are all about and it would be weird any other way [emoji1303]

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[scoopyboy]

We won home and away against Airdrie in the relegation play offs.

Were they big games?

Asking for a friend :greengrin

[allmodcons]

As much as it’s down to interpretation I’d suggest that the club view certain fixtures as bigger than others based on their categorisation methods - Rangers, Celtic, Hearts and Aberdeen. I’d doubt anyone would argue that cup semi finals and finals are big games regardless. They’re also the games where our record under Ross has been pretty poor.

I would agree though that the last two probably were the biggest of our league season so far so with that in mind I should probably cut him a bit of slack in that regard. I would say though that I think tomorrow’s game is even bigger than the last two. As I said earlier today, win tomorrow and I know I’d be willing to give him a bit of a break on the big game front and hope that was the start of us turning a corner when it comes to these games.

I'm sure he'll sleep better at night knowing that.

[we are hibs]

How many big games did Hecky win? 1 at Tynie? Perhaps it isnt a Jack Ross issue. A win on Saturday would be a start. We need to go to Pittodrie in the split and we havent won up there for 9 years. We really need to win tomorrow and try and open up a decent gap.

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[calumhibee1]

You never tire of bleating on about how ***** we are to watch though - well I don't agree with you either. I have seen some bland football at ER before - Fenlon and Heckingbottom being recent examples - and over thepiece, Ross' Hibs don't come close.
It would be fair to say that Ross' sides exhibit a bit more caution than Lennon's sides for example - but let's face it, we would be hard pushed to find many sides since the Famous 5 that were as entertaining as Lennon's sides in their full swagger.

But lest we forget, Lennon also presided over some disasters - and I would maintain that watching Ross' Hibs pick up a counter-attacking 3 points on the road is far more enjoyable than watching one of Lenny's more bizzare starting line-ups fail to click and slump to defeat - something which we saw all too often towards the end of his reign.

No football managers are perfect - they all have strengths and weaknesses - you would do well as a Hibs fan to start acknowledging some positives lest you be labelled a Yam interloper in response to your continual gratuitous negativity.

You do realise it takes two people to have a discussion? If people want to reply to my posts and keep that discussion going then I’ll happily discuss it.

The style Fenlon and Heckingbottom played are irrelevant to the style of football we play now. You might not agree that we’re boring to watch, but have a read of the majority of match threads. Have a look at the thread on here (I believe it was called boring off the top of my head?) or even the numerous people who passionately back Jack Ross who keep telling us they couldn’t care less about the style of play if we win games - that in itself is pretty much an admission that we’re not great to watch. There’s plenty of folk that do think we play a very dull style of football.

[Unseen work]

I just posted this on the Aberdeen thread but just in case some Ross doubters dont view it here’s what it says..

I read in an article today Aberdeen are projected to finish on 64 points this season, which would be the worst total they’ve had under McInnes is his 8 year spell.

Our record points tally is 67 points which Lennon set a couple of years ago and Ross is on the right track for achieving this.

I think this shows how far ahead Aberdeen have been and how Ross is doing a really good job to get us back to where we should be and close the gap on Aberdeen.

[calumhibee1]

I'm sure he'll sleep better at night knowing that.

Oh the banter.

[The Count]

Tomorrow is to win any way we can and it does not have to be pretty.Lets do what Aberdeen have been doing for years and worry about good football when we are all back in person next season.At worse a draw to keep the points tally ticking over as i am a wee bit concerned about Livvy.We must achieve European football and if we do then i would be satisfied all be it the Semi defeats still annoys me.

[basehibby]

Every game from now on in is a big game. It's crunch time with 11 (I think) games left and Group Stage football on offer.

This :top marks- and as it goes - every league fixture is a big game - if you get 3rd place by a point, the away win vs St Mirren is every bit as important as the home points vs Celgers and Rantic.

Of course the derbies, the OF matches and trips to Hampden get the blood up and Jack does have something to prove in these games. But that is no excuse to disregard and trash it when he does get things right.

[jacomo]

I just posted this on the Aberdeen thread but just in case some Ross doubters dont view it here’s what it says..

I read in an article today Aberdeen are projected to finish on 64 points this season, which would be the worst total they’ve had under McInnes is his 8 year spell.

Our record points tally is 67 points which Lennon set a couple of years ago and Ross is on the right track for achieving this.

I think this shows how far ahead Aberdeen have been and how Ross is doing a really good job to get us back to where we should be and close the gap on Aberdeen.


Is this the same projection that had Celtc overwhelming favourites for the title? If so... treat with caution!

[jacomo]

As much as it’s down to interpretation I’d suggest that the club view certain fixtures as bigger than others based on their categorisation methods - Rangers, Celtic, Hearts and Aberdeen. I’d doubt anyone would argue that cup semi finals and finals are big games regardless. They’re also the games where our record under Ross has been pretty poor.

I would agree though that the last two probably were the biggest of our league season so far so with that in mind I should probably cut him a bit of slack in that regard. I would say though that I think tomorrow’s game is even bigger than the last two. As I said earlier today, win tomorrow and I know I’d be willing to give him a bit of a break on the big game front and hope that was the start of us turning a corner when it comes to these games.


Your ‘big game’ criticism is not entirely without merit.

Both semi finals this season were abject and Hibs absolutely should be aspiring to beat anyone in our division. In order to beat the Old Firm, you have to have the mindset to do it, and that seemed to leave the club when Hecky arrived.

However, you still have to judge a manager on overall results, and on that basis Jack is doing a fine job.

[Alfred E Newman]

I see where you are coming from and agree regarding tomorrow's result.

Even back in the day of Turnbulls Tornadoes we used to have poor results against the Old Firm but there were never claims Turnbull must go because of it.

Going even further back when Hibs won the League three times soon after the war we had a terrible record against Hearts. Can't be bothered checking it out but I'm sure one year we won it and lost 5-1 at home to Hearts on New Year's Day.

It's a tall order turning the Old Firm over on a regular basis, not so much Aberdeen and Hearts.

I also remember the Tornadoes being turned over 4-1 by Dumbarton among others.

[cabbageandribs1875]

I just posted this on the Aberdeen thread but just in case some Ross doubters dont view it here’s what it says..

I read in an article today Aberdeen are projected to finish on 64 points this season, which would be the worst total they’ve had under McInnes is his 8 year spell.

Our record points tally is 67 points which Lennon set a couple of years ago and Ross is on the right track for achieving this.

I think this shows how far ahead Aberdeen have been and how Ross is doing a really good job to get us back to where we should be and close the gap on Aberdeen.


that'll take some doing, 21 points out of the remaining 33 up for grabs

[Gypsy King]

I think the big game thing is nonsense regardless of what happenes tomorrow.


What a load of nonsense. There isn't even a debate that Ross fails to adequately motivate players for the games that really matter. The loss to Hearts was inexcusable, we should have absolutely horsed them. The defeat and the manor in which it occurred against St Johnstone was an absolute disgrace.

would you not define those as "big games" ?

[Northernhibee]

What a load of nonsense. There isn't even a debate that Ross fails to adequately motivate players for the games that really matter. The loss to Hearts was inexcusable, we should have absolutely horsed them. The defeat and the manor in which it occurred against St Johnstone was an absolute disgrace.

would you not define those as "big games" ?

What games would you say don't matter?

[green with envy]

I also remember the Tornadoes being turned over 4-1 by Dumbarton among others.

Down to that huddie Roddie Mackenzie. Same outcome against herts the following week if memory serves me right.

[Gypsy King]

I do want him to stay for now, but I think we should be getting minimum third with the quality signings he has made which imo have to be considered the best thing to come out of his tenure so far cos the fitbaw has been gash to watch, most of the time.

[Keith_M]

Thats because we finished 2nd a number of times, got to finals and won trophies.


And played wonderful football, and won 7-0 at Tynie


I know, that was kind of my point.

When we look back on what we consider to be a great era, it doesn't necessarily mean that everything about it was good... and that's fine.

We've had some really bad results under Ross (2 semi finals and our record against Hearts), but it doesn't mean it can't be the beginning of another decent era at Hibs...though I'm not claiming we have the new 'Tornadoes'.

If we could mix our decent points accumulation with the occasional game of flair, plus beat Hearts and Aberdeen a bit more, then I think it would win some people over.

We'll just have to see what develops.

[Hibs90]

I'd take a drab 1-0 win tomorrow absolutely any day of the week. The points are what matters tomorrow (and every week for that matter).

For me this is one of my gripes with Jack Ross style. Quite happily take it if we are winning, but when we start losing games and the style/performance is dire then it is not a pleasant experience. It's a big game tomorrow, a chance for the team to stamp some authority on 3rd position and really kick on.

[Gypsy King]

What games would you say don't matter?

We have seen this played out many times its boring now. Some games matter more than others that's obvious. Ross has lost his two biggest games whilst at Hibs.

[Peevemor]

Thats because we finished 2nd a number of times, got to finals and won trophies.Finished 2nd once did they not?

[Mr. Wonderful]

Dont be daft, we may not have scored many goals under Hecky (remember he was at the wheel), but we played like the 70s Brazil side, so it was ok. :faf:

Did Brazil have a particularly good blind football side in the 70s?

[Northernhibee]

We have seen this played out many times its boring now. Some games matter more than others that's obvious. Ross has lost his two biggest games whilst at Hibs.

We've not, you said that Ross doesn't do well enough in the "games that really matter". I'd say that any league game matters and three wins over the bottom three teams gives us the same amount of points against the top three teams, and we've won enough games against teams that aren't Aberdeen, Celtic or Rangers to find ourselves in third.

We've also been responsible for 33% of Rangers dropped points this season and ran them damn close on other occasions. Although it's not happened this season yet, Jack Ross also managed to beat Aberdeen 3-0 at home last season too so it's not as if he's not won a game against Aberdeen.

The semi finals are another story - two poor losses and you can't discount that but you also can't use those as anywhere near a complete judgment over Jack Ross. Since he took over he's been "best of the rest" in the Premiership and that's the key stat.

If we did what he did but also regularly won "big games" as you'd call them, we'd be fighting for the cup and league treble.

[Mr. Wonderful]

Deeply in love because I thought he’d turn it round for a bit longer than some others did and eventually said he should be sacked? That’s quite the way to look at it.

Through gritted teeth. A bit like when Boris finally condemned Trump the other week.

I'm far from delighted with Ross as hibs manager so far, but it's a dammed sight better than Hecky - both to watch and clearly in terms of results too.

I think I'd be more willing to give you the benefit of the doubt on this one if I felt like your opinion wasn't tribalistic in nature, as a result of your infatuation with the boring one and how he should've been granted more time.

[Since452]

1 in 3 against Hearts and 1 in 4 against Aberdeen. It's hardly catastrophic given their budgets. Give the man time to build what he's trying to build and that will change.

I don't know about Lennon and Mowbrays record in those fixtures but they are probably very similar over a much longer period if I remember rightly. The swashbuckling Mowbray got some doings from Hearts. Fantastic.

[calumhibee1]

Your ‘big game’ criticism is not entirely without merit.

Both semi finals this season were abject and Hibs absolutely should be aspiring to beat anyone in our division. In order to beat the Old Firm, you have to have the mindset to do it, and that seemed to leave the club when Hecky arrived.

However, you still have to judge a manager on overall results, and on that basis Jack is doing a fine job.

His results against the smaller teams so to speak have generally been good, there’s no doubting that and overall it’s taken us to being in and around where we should be finishing the season :agree:

Whether that’ll be enough if we don’t start winning some of the big games to get us 4th or higher as we should be remains to be seen. I’ll be surprised if we finish top 4 but don’t manage to win any of the 12 ‘big games’ so I reckon that record will need to improve to get us there.

[Stanton Spence]

The way I'd define a big game is the difficulty in getting a ticket, I've supported hibs for over 40 years and not once have I heard of anyone struggling to get a ticket against Aberdeen or have I seen a sell out unless its been a cup tie

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[Gypsy King]

We've not, you said that Ross doesn't do well enough in the "games that really matter". I'd say that any league game matters and three wins over the bottom three teams gives us the same amount of points against the top three teams, and we've won enough games against teams that aren't Aberdeen, Celtic or Rangers to find ourselves in third.

We've also been responsible for 33% of Rangers dropped points this season and ran them damn close on other occasions. Although it's not happened this season yet, Jack Ross also managed to beat Aberdeen 3-0 at home last season too so it's not as if he's not won a game against Aberdeen.

The semi finals are another story - two poor losses and you can't discount that but you also can't use those as anywhere near a complete judgment over Jack Ross. Since he took over he's been "best of the rest" in the Premiership and that's the key stat.

If we did what he did but also regularly won "big games" as you'd call them, we'd be fighting for the cup and league treble.

I agree with a lot of what you say.

His record in "big games" "games that really matter" is poor though. Two very winnable trophies and beatable opponents but we didn't turn up, for context its games that really matter to the fans. Not to mention that embarrassing drubbing we got of Hearts at Easter Road at the end of last season. To deny that his record in such games "the ones that really matter to the fans" is poor because he won 3-0 against Aberdeen last year doesn't really add up to much does it, ill just put that one in the "we beat Aberdeen 3-0 trophy cabinet".

The guy has majorly bottled it on more than one occasion and its becoming a dangerously recurring theme for teams under his stewardship.

However with that said I believe he deserves the season to show his capabilities and ensure we get third so every game is a big game from now to the end of the season.

[BSEJVT]

I hear what you’re saying about the Old Firm. I’m not expecting us to beat them regularly. But I’d like to have the belief that we can beat them and I don’t think that is there currently. The only game against them since Ross has come in where I think we’ve played really well was the 2-2 game with Rangers. We’ve competed in other games against the pair of them but I thought our aggression and quality in that game was so much better than any other time we’ve faced either since he came in.

We’re in a really strong position to go and get third now. We’ll definitely need to win some ‘big’ games with a bit of pressure on them to get that spot. I hope we make a start on that tomorrow.

2-2 game with Celtic when we tossed way a 2 goal lead in the last few minutes?

[Since452]

I agree with a lot of what you say.

His record in "big games" "games that really matter" is poor though. Two very winnable trophies and beatable opponents but we didn't turn up, for context its games that really matter to the fans. Not to mention that embarrassing drubbing we got of Hearts at Easter Road at the end of last season. To deny that his record in such games "the ones that really matter to the fans" is poor because he won 3-0 against Aberdeen last year doesn't really add up to much does it, ill just put that one in the "we beat Aberdeen 3-0 trophy cabinet".

The guy has majorly bottled it on more than one occasion and its becoming a dangerously recurring theme for teams under his stewardship.

However with that said I believe he deserves the season to show his capabilities and ensure we get third so every game is a big game from now to the end of the season.

How exactly did Jack Ross bottle it? We did turn up. Go back to the match day threads for both and see all the posts saying "we're pumping them here" etc. The semi against Hearts we were the better side for the vast majority in a game where the conditions made it a lottery and St Johnstone should have been beaten by half time. A missed penalty and open goal misses cost us. It happens. Fine margins and all that. All iff's, buts and maybes now though. Both were extremely hard to take but we're back on track. That to me is the sign of a manager. Picking the players up and going again.

[BSEJVT]

Would losing to Aberdeen 3-2 be acceptable if we'd played wonderful expansive football, or would folk prefer a drab 1-0 win?

Drab 1-0 win every day of the week

We need to start just winning these games semi-regularly

Style can come later

[B.H.F.C]

2-2 game with Celtic when we tossed way a 2 goal lead in the last few minutes?

What about it?

[BSEJVT]

What a load of nonsense. There isn't even a debate that Ross fails to adequately motivate players for the games that really matter. The loss to Hearts was inexcusable, we should have absolutely horsed them. The defeat and the manor in which it occurred against St Johnstone was an absolute disgrace.

would you not define those as "big games" ?

Losing those games was really bad, other than the first 30 minutes against St Johnstone they were very poor performances also

But it is a huge stretch to extrapolate from that the Ross failed to adequately motivate the players?

If that was all there was to it Yogi would have had us winning the Champions League :greengrin

[basehibby]

I do want him to stay for now, but I think we should be getting minimum third with the quality signings he has made which imo have to be considered the best thing to come out of his tenure so far cos the fitbaw has been gash to watch, most of the time.

Minimum third??? I understand there's a back handed compliment in there re Ross' signings - but don't you think the Aberdeen who have been consistently finishing above us and (allegedly) outspending us for years might have a say in that?

So the only possible improvement on your minimum expectations is splitting the OF in the finale season of their 10-in-a-row throw-the-kitchen-sink-at-it show down. Jeez some folk are hard to please!

[Stokesy's on fire]

Minimum third??? I understand there's a back handed compliment in there re Ross' signings - but don't you think the Aberdeen who have been consistently finishing above us and (allegedly) outspending us for years might have a say in that?

So the only possible improvement on your minimum expectations is splitting the OF in the finale season of their 10-in-a-row throw-the-kitchen-sink-at-it show down. Jeez some folk are hard to please!


Finishing below Aberdeen would be a sure sign of failing they are really poor

[basehibby]

The way I'd define a big game is the difficulty in getting a ticket, I've supported hibs for over 40 years and not once have I heard of anyone struggling to get a ticket against Aberdeen or have I seen a sell out unless its been a cup tie

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So the League Cup Semi vs St Js would not have counted either then.

[Stanton Spence]

So the League Cup Semi vs St Js would not have counted either then.I said unless it's a cup tie??

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[Since452]

I do want him to stay for now, but I think we should be getting minimum third with the quality signings he has made which imo have to be considered the best thing to come out of his tenure so far cos the fitbaw has been gash to watch, most of the time.

Bit passive aggressive that. Admit he's made quality signings but he needs to finish 3rd because of it? We've only finished 3rd two or three times in my lifetime and I'm rapidly heading towards 40.

[worcesterhibby]

I agree with a lot of what you say.

Two very winnable trophies and beatable opponents but we didn't turn up

that’s nonsense though, we were by far the better team against Hearts, we missed one penalty (Hardly Jack Ross’s fault) and were denied another stonewaller. You are re-writing history now.

Any Hibs fan who wants rid of a manger who has us in third in February, needs to evaluate their sanity, or go and support some cash pumped megalomaniac team like Man City, where fantasy football is a reality. There has not been a non old firm team who regularly win the majority of the semi finals they play in and do well in the league since Alex Ferguson’s Aberdeen. Football economics was a very different world back then.

[basehibby]

Finishing below Aberdeen would be a sure sign of failing they are really poor

You think ABERDEEN are really poor??? And you think finishing behind them would be failing???

How about relegation candidates kind of poor? Because if you can stretch your memory back to 15 months ago that's exactly how poor Hibs were before Ross took over. He turned that around and had us finishing comfortably mid-table - improvement! Now we are pushing Aberdeen for third place and are guaranteed already to finish higher than we did last season - FURTHER IMPROVEMENT!

I do believe that this Hibs side (which Ross has largely put together mind) is capable of finishing above Aberdeen - but if we miss out and finish fourth it will definitely NOT be a disaster considering where we have come from. To suggest that fourth place would be a failure for Hibs this season is pure looney tunes material.

[FilipinoHibs]

Did Brazil have a particularly good blind football side in the 70s?

I think the poster meant the 1974 Brasil side not the 1970 side. The former were gash and could not score goals either.

[Lago]

Not all under Turnbull, but...

1969: Celtic 6 - 2 Hibs (LC Final)
1972: Celtic 6 - 1 Hibs (SC Final)
1974: Celtic 6 - 3 Hibs (LC Final)


Yet people look back misty eyed at that era as being a golden age for Hibs.
In a way it was a golden era for Hibs, unfortunately it also coincided with a golden era for Celtic, they were virtually untouchable at the time, we did however come 2nd in 72 & 73,won the Drybourgh Cup & the league cup in 72. They were better times to watch an entertaining Hibs team.

[FilipinoHibs]

Ross's record against Hearts:

Normal time : won one, lost one.

Extra time : lost by a penalty after missing a penalty.

[JimBHibees]

Minimum third??? I understand there's a back handed compliment in there re Ross' signings - but don't you think the Aberdeen who have been consistently finishing above us and (allegedly) outspending us for years might have a say in that?

So the only possible improvement on your minimum expectations is splitting the OF in the finale season of their 10-in-a-row throw-the-kitchen-sink-at-it show down. Jeez some folk are hard to please!

Absolutely minimum 3rd is a nonsense. The guy has been in the job for a year. Some preparing to pile in if we lose tomorrow. Aberdeen have been and will be dwarfing our budget imo. Wee bit of support for the guy and team required. Huge game tomorrow hope we win however we may lose that is how competitive sports works.

[B.H.F.C]

You think ABERDEEN are really poor??? And you think finishing behind them would be failing???

How about relegation candidates kind of poor? Because if you can stretch your memory back to 15 months ago that's exactly how poor Hibs were before Ross took over. He turned that around and had us finishing comfortably mid-table - improvement! Now we are pushing Aberdeen for third place and are guaranteed already to finish higher than we did last season - FURTHER IMPROVEMENT!

I do believe that this Hibs side (which Ross has largely put together mind) is capable of finishing above Aberdeen - but if we miss out and finish fourth it will definitely NOT be a disaster considering where we have come from. To suggest that fourth place would be a failure for Hibs this season is pure looney tunes material.

It wouldn’t be a disaster if we finish behind Aberdeen but it would definitely be a missed opportunity. They seem to be in a bit of a mess and I think we have better players than them. Third place is there for us and the likely reward that comes with it this year makes it an even bigger opportunity than normal.

Really hope we can kick on and finish above them.

[JimBHibees]

Ross's record against Hearts:

Normal time : won one, lost one.

Extra time : lost by a penalty after missing a penalty.

Yep hardly a nightmare and absolutely the semi final was very fine margins including being inexplicably denied a stonewall penalty in injury time.

[Stokesy's on fire]

You think ABERDEEN are really poor??? And you think finishing behind them would be failing???

How about relegation candidates kind of poor? Because if you can stretch your memory back to 15 months ago that's exactly how poor Hibs were before Ross took over. He turned that around and had us finishing comfortably mid-table - improvement! Now we are pushing Aberdeen for third place and are guaranteed already to finish higher than we did last season - FURTHER IMPROVEMENT!

I do believe that this Hibs side (which Ross has largely put together mind) is capable of finishing above Aberdeen - but if we miss out and finish fourth it will definitely NOT be a disaster considering where we have come from. To suggest that fourth place would be a failure for Hibs this season is pure looney tunes material.

To be honest i dont think Aberdeen are poor i know they are poor. Tomorrow they will implement a rotational fouling tactic its all they have to offer.

[Onion]

Massive game for Jack Ross tomorrow.

[cabbageandribs1875]

Mega-Massive game tomorrow

[bigwheel]

Think people are overstating the game tomorrow ...of course it will be helpful and a real confidence boost if we win tomorrow. And I understand that people want to see us win “big games”....But that won’t guarantee anything ..if we get more points than Aberdeen between now and the end of the season we will finish third .. irrespective of what happens tomorrow ..3rd would be arguably over achieving for us , so would be a superb outcome ..

[Allez Hibs]

Massive game for Jack Ross tomorrow.

Sure is.

Big Game Record (Games v Rangers, Celtic, Hearts, Aberdeen and Cup Semi Finals)

P16 W2 D3 L11

Take out Rangers and Celtic and its:

P8 W2 D0 L6

[blackpoolhibs]

I think the poster meant the 1974 Brasil side not the 1970 side. The former were gash and could not score goals either.

I actually meant 80s, i was in Seville when they demolished us 4-1, could have been 10, what a team. :greengrin

[CLASS OF 72 -73]

In a way it was a golden era for Hibs, unfortunately it also coincided with a golden era for Celtic, they were virtually untouchable at the time, we did however come 2nd in 72 & 73,won the Drybourgh Cup & the league cup in 72. They were better times to watch an entertaining Hibs team.

Completely agree. As a teenager it was exciting watch to Hibs in the early seventies and was at the league cup final (December 72 to be picky). A great night after the horror of the 72 Scottish cup drubbing, my first final against a very strong Celtic side.

[B.H.F.C]

Think people are overstating the game tomorrow ...of course it will be helpful and a real confidence boost if we win tomorrow. And I understand that people want to see us win “big games”....But that won’t guarantee anything ..if we get more points than Aberdeen between now and the end of the season we will finish third .. irrespective of what happens tomorrow ..3rd would be arguably over achieving for us , so would be a superb outcome ..

I think tomorrow is a massive game now. I do agree that a win doesn’t guarantee third but with the stage of the season we’re at, opening up that gap would make it ours to throw away for me.

The way things look like working out this year, the prize on offer for third is bigger than usual. We’ve missed a couple of big opportunities in cups this year, this is another big opportunity. Aberdeen aren’t in great nick, I think we need to capitalise on that.

[Robbo6-2]

Today press conference is exactly the reason why I dont have 100% faith in Ross.

Mcinnes is describing tomorrow like a cup final yet out manager is saying it's not season defining

Come on tae *** Jack this is make or break

[Stanton Spence]

Today press conference is exactly the reason why I dont have 100% faith in Ross.

Mcinnes is describing tomorrow like a cup final yet out manager is saying it's not season defining

Come on tae *** Jack this is make or breakSince when did anyone win any points for press conferences? It's now getting a bit daft when press conferences are how fans judge their managers

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[Peevemor]

Since when did anyone win any points for press conferences? It's now getting a bit daft when press conferences are how fans judge their managers

Sent from my G3121 using TapatalkIt's laughable and hardly worth a response.

[Bridge hibs]

Today press conference is exactly the reason why I dont have 100% faith in Ross.

Mcinnes is describing tomorrow like a cup final yet out manager is saying it's not season defining

Come on tae *** Jack this is make or breakPlease explain why tomorrows game would be season defining ? Its 3 points at stake and nothing more, why would Jack Ross say otherwise, there are plenty games left

[Carheenlea]

Please explain why tomorrows game would be season defining ? Its 3 points at stake and nothing more, why would Jack Ross say otherwise, there are plenty games left

A win would put us 5 clear with 10 games left. A big advantage to hold with the remaining games while a defeat has us pretty much level pegging for the run in. It’s a season defining game.

[bigwheel]

A win would put us 5 clear with 10 games left. A big advantage to hold with the remaining games while a defeat has us pretty much level pegging for the run in. It’s a season defining game.

Nah. They’ve got a game in hand and we still have to play them again..nothing will be decided tomorrow ..be great to win mind you - but whatever happens there will be some twists and turns until the end of the season ...the last 5 games when we all play each other will define the season ....

[Bridge hibs]

A win would put us 5 clear with 10 games left. A big advantage to hold with the remaining games while a defeat has us pretty much level pegging for the run in. It’s a season defining game.With 10 games left, 30 points, nope, important yes, crucial ? Im more concerned about Livingstons form, season defining tomorrow, nah

[murray26]

It was be nice to win and play well in a extremely important game..

[B.H.F.C]

It was be nice to win and play well in a extremely important game..

I’m one of those that thinks it’s pretty boring. Genuinely don’t care how we play tomorrow as long as we win. Would put us in such a strong position to get third.

[Unseen work]

Of course Mccinnes is describing the game as a cup final as he might he sacked if they lose.

If youre a Hibs manager why would you ever describe a game as a semi/cup final?! :greengrin It’s one thing saying to the press it’s not season defining, and that’s so there’s not heaps of pressure on the players, but he’ll be making the players know exactly how big a game it is.

Always stuns me how literal some people take press conferences.

[Lago]

Completely agree. As a teenager it was exciting watch to Hibs in the early seventies and was at the league cup final (December 72 to be picky). A great night after the horror of the 72 Scottish cup drubbing, my first final against a very strong Celtic side.
It was a time when I couldn't wait for Saturday to come round.

[JohnM1875]

To be fair, JR also said he's not playing down the fact he knows it's a big game. Which it is, but there's still 30 points to play for after Saturday.

[Peevemor]

Today press conference is exactly the reason why I dont have 100% faith in Ross.

Mcinnes is describing tomorrow like a cup final yet out manager is saying it's not season defining

Come on tae *** Jack this is make or break

Why have you chosen to ignore the bit where he says that it's obviously a very important game?

[Allez Hibs]

Fair play to Derek McInnes looking at tomorrow's game that way.

His work at Aberdeen over the last 7+ years is very impressive.

[Peevemor]

Fair play to Derek McInnes looking at tomorrow's game that way.

His work at Aberdeen over the last 7+ years is very impressive.Haha. Aberdeen have turned into serial bottlers, the very thing Jack Ross gets most stick for on here.

[Stanton Spence]

Fair play to Derek McInnes looking at tomorrow's game that way.

His work at Aberdeen over the last 7+ years is very impressive.Have a a wee read of AFC chat. Impressive certainly isn't what they think. They all want him out the door

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[GreenCastle]

Fair play to Derek McInnes looking at tomorrow's game that way.

His work at Aberdeen over the last 7+ years is very impressive.

Nah it’s not really.

1 trophy with all those resources and Hibs, Hearts and Rangers out the league for several of those years.

Even Rangers have over taken them and Hibs have caught them up this season with a lower budget.

Our semi final / final appearances seem to be more common than them.

Our record against them is crap - that definitely needs to change!

[Allez Hibs]

I think we would take in a heartbeat a manager that could deliver:-

4x Runner-Up League finishes
1x 3rd place
2x 4th place

Europa League Football 7 years in a row.

Won a trophy, 3 other cup finals and lost 5 semi finals.

He hasnt finished outside the Top 4 and only not been at Hampden in one season.

Difficult to call Aberdeen bottlers.

[weecounty hibby]

I think we would take in a heartbeat a manager that could deliver:-

4x Runner-Up League finishes
1x 3rd place
2x 4th place

Europa League Football 7 years in a row.

Won a trophy, 3 other cup finals and lost 5 semi finals.

He hasnt finished outside the Top 4 and only not been at Hampden in one season.

Difficult to call Aberdeen bottlers.

Losing 5 semi finals and 3 cup finals. Unforgivable. Sacking offences. Bottle merchant. Can't win big games. Am I getting that right or is it only the Hibs manager that gets **** like that?

[Allez Hibs]

Losing 5 semi finals and 3 cup finals. Unforgivable. Sacking offences. Bottle merchant. Can't win big games. Am I getting that right or is it only the Hibs manager that gets **** like that?

Difference is he has credit in the bank. Jack Ross needs to build that credit with Hibs fans.

Harsh to call Aberdeen bottlers, theyve lost just about every game at Hampden recently to Celtic.

[Peevemor]

Losing 5 semi finals and 3 cup finals. Unforgivable. Sacking offences. Bottle merchant. Can't win big games. Am I getting that right or is it only the Hibs manager that gets **** like that?It's beyond belief.

[Stanton Spence]

Difference is he has credit in the bank. Jack Ross needs to build that credit with Hibs fans.His credit is near enough spent and I'd like to know how Jack Ross would be able to build trust when he doesn't get the time

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[weecounty hibby]

Difference is he has credit in the bank. Jack Ross needs to build that credit with Hibs fans.

In one year JR has had us in 2 semis and 3rd in the league. All with a strong celtic, hun and aberdeen. McInness had seasons where it was just them and celtic.

[bingo70]

Losing 5 semi finals and 3 cup finals. Unforgivable. Sacking offences. Bottle merchant. Can't win big games. Am I getting that right or is it only the Hibs manager that gets **** like that?

Aberdeen fans do want him sacked though?

[hibsbollah]

Difference is he has credit in the bank. Jack Ross needs to build that credit with Hibs fans.

Harsh to call Aberdeen bottlers, theyve lost just about every game at Hampden recently to Celtic.

I think you’re having a bit of a mare here. Jack Ross has been a manager for 4 years in total, and he’s been in charge of us for a year and 3 months. McInnes has had 8 years at Aberdeen. So comparing stats for what they’ve achieved as managers, what they’ve won, or whether either is more bottler than the other, is clearly ridiculous.

[Peevemor]

Aberdeen fans do want him sacked though?They've only really turned against him over the last season or two.

[hibsbollah]

Talking about Derek McInnes, does anyone want to see him getting a proper headbutt and in the same match, one of the worst tackles you’re ever likely to see?


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9J9iITMjAAY

[FilipinoHibs]

I actually meant 80s, i was in Seville when they demolished us 4-1, could have been 10, what a team. :greengrin

The 84 Brazil team more like the Tornadoes. Great football but failed to win the biggest prize with a touch of the defense being too open.

[bingo70]

They've only really turned against him over the last season or two.

Ironic on all fronts if Aberdeen target Ross to replace Mcinnes whenever he does leave. 😂

[hibsbollah]

The 84 Brazil team more like the Tornadoes. Great football but failed to win the biggest prize with a touch of the defense being too open.

Being pedantic the famous team was the 82 Espana Brazil side. Although I’m sure their 84 side was more than decent as well:greengrin

[Northernhibee]

I think we would take in a heartbeat a manager that could deliver:-

4x Runner-Up League finishes
1x 3rd place
2x 4th place

Europa League Football 7 years in a row.

Won a trophy, 3 other cup finals and lost 5 semi finals.

He hasnt finished outside the Top 4 and only not been at Hampden in one season.

Difficult to call Aberdeen bottlers.

Almost every Aberdeen fan I know are desperate to get rid. One piece of silverware with often the second biggest budget in the league is dismal. If people think Jack Ross has a boring style of football then they probably never watched Hackberdeen play. A throwback of the worst sort.

[ian cruise]

I was speaking to a couple of friends, not Hibs fans but well aware of Scottish football and how we’re doing and they thought it was “outrageous” that folk would give serious consideration to sacking Ross given where we are in the league and the situation that everyone’s dealing with at the moment.

Yeah, my non-Hibs supporting colleagues, particularly the jambos, think it's hilarious it's even being debated. They'd love to see him go as the belief is we'd be the worse for it allowing them plenty opportunity to have a laugh at our expense.

[Mainstandman]

I think if we are willing to critique Ross we should
Expect the same at our work. Aye you can weld that fishing boat okay but when the big cruise liner comes in where the hell are you then!!!!

[Andy74]

I think we would take in a heartbeat a manager that could deliver:-

4x Runner-Up League finishes
1x 3rd place
2x 4th place

Europa League Football 7 years in a row.

Won a trophy, 3 other cup finals and lost 5 semi finals.

He hasnt finished outside the Top 4 and only not been at Hampden in one season.

Difficult to call Aberdeen bottlers.

Difficult to do all that in a year.

[FilipinoHibs]

Being pedantic the famous team was the 82 Espana Brazil side. Although I’m sure their 84 side was more than decent as well:greengrin

Yes 82 team. 84 team were very inactive as no Copa de America or World Cup qualifying. Had three games lising 2-0 to England at home. No Zico or Socrates.

[blackpoolhibs]

Difference is he has credit in the bank. Jack Ross needs to build that credit with Hibs fans.

Harsh to call Aberdeen bottlers, theyve lost just about every game at Hampden recently to Celtic.

Any chance you could tell us thicko's how he can earn some credit, when people want him sacked?:confused:

[Dalianwanda]

Any chance you could tell us thicko's how he can earn some credit, when people want him sacked?:confused:

:top marks

[Jones28]

Any chance you could tell us thicko's how he can earn some credit, when people want him sacked?:confused:

Something along the lines of “win a big game”.

Apparently having us third in the league is akin to being in your overdraft.

[blackpoolhibs]

Something along the lines of “win a big game”.

Apparently having us third in the league is akin to being in your overdraft.

Although i may be wrong here, but if he's sacked he wont then be able to earn said credit? :greengrin

[Dalianwanda]

Something along the lines of “win a big game”.

Apparently having us third in the league is akin to being in your overdraft.
were all the 1/4 finals he’s won not big games or are the only big games the ones he loses? Week after week folk are saying that what ever game it is is a “must win”..So are they not big games? Yes we were poor in the semis but this defined ‘big game’ target when we are sitting in 3rd doesn’t seem very productive and does seem to ignore a lot of the progress being made.

[worcesterhibby]

were all the 1/4 finals he’s won not big games or are the only big games the ones he loses? Week after week folk are saying that what ever game it is is a “must win”..So are they not big games? Yes we were poor in the semis but this defined ‘big game’ target when we are sitting in 3rd doesn’t seem very productive and does seem to ignore a lot of the progress being made.

and actually we weren’t poor in the semi against hearts, we were the better team but we missed a penalty and so did the ref. We were poor in one half of a semi against a St Johnstone side who scored every time they had a sniff of a chance.

[Keith_M]

T1ts Out!!!!

[Andy74]

were all the 1/4 finals he’s won not big games or are the only big games the ones he loses? Week after week folk are saying that what ever game it is is a “must win”..So are they not big games? Yes we were poor in the semis but this defined ‘big game’ target when we are sitting in 3rd doesn’t seem very productive and does seem to ignore a lot of the progress being made.

Same nonsense with his Sunderland record. The semi finals didn’t count as big games because he lost the finals.

Guaranteed if we had lost to Alloa it would have been a big game.

The concept has only been created on here in recent months.

[calumhibee1]

Same nonsense with his Sunderland record. The semi finals didn’t count as big games because he lost the finals.

Guaranteed if we had lost to Alloa it would have been a big game.

The concept has only been created on here in recent months.

The concept of big games has only been created on here in the last few months? :confused:

[Dalianwanda]

The concept of big games has only been created on here in the last few months? :confused:

The concept of recognising some as big games that we don’t perform in & ignore them as big games where we do.

[Allez Hibs]

The concept of recognising some as big games that we don’t perform in & ignore them as big games where we do.

What big games have we performed in?

We didnt play Premier opposition before any of the semi finals. And if we are classing Dundee Utd and St Mirren as big games now I do worry about our ambition.

[Jones28]

What big games have we performed in?

We didnt play Premier opposition before any of the semi finals. And if we are classing Dundee Utd and St Mirren as big games now I do worry about our ambition.

We played well against hearts and were the better side against st johnston for the first half. We have also performed well and not gotten what we’ve deserved from all three games against Rangers. Those two games weren’t big because of who we were playing, they were big for us because we had to arrest a slide in form which we did.

[Dalianwanda]

What big games have we performed in?

We didnt play Premier opposition before any of the semi finals. And if we are classing Dundee Utd and St Mirren as big games now I do worry about our ambition.
Yet before we play them they are classed as must wins. Is a must win not a ‘big game’?

It’s nothing to do with lack of ambition. We all want to win every game and strive to be the best we can.

[calumhibee1]

The concept of recognising some as big games that we don’t perform in & ignore them as big games where we do.

We’ve won two big games in his tenure.

I remember everyone being delighted with beating Aberdeen and especially Hearts when we done it so I’m not sure that’s true. The reaction to winning them was much more jubilant to when we beat St Mirren or Hamilton etc so I’d suggest they weren’t ignored.

[Since452]

Yet before we play them they are classed as must wins. Is a must win not a ‘big game’?

Dammed if he does dammed if he doesn't. He'd have got slaughtered if he failed to win those "must win" games. He did win them but they're now not big enough. Joke.

[calumhibee1]

Yet before we play them they are classed as must wins. Is a must win not a ‘big game’?

It’s nothing to do with lack of ambition. We all want to win every game and strive to be the best we can.

Alloa was used as an example above. Of course that’s a must win. You can’t be getting beat by a part time team when you’re one of the biggest teams in the country. To suggest it’s a big game because of that is a bit ridiculous really. By that logic if we draw Civil Service Strollers in the Scottish it becomes a big game.

[Keith_M]

Dot Net discusses Jack Ross....


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[Magpie]

We played well against hearts and were the better side against st johnston for the first half. We have also performed well and not gotten what we’ve deserved from all three games against Rangers. Those two games weren’t big because of who we were playing, they were big for us because we had to arrest a slide in form which we did.

The main thing that matters is the result. You’ve mentioned 5 games there where we have taken a point and been knocked out of two semi finals.

[blackpoolhibs]

I'd say the manager would have wanted to win the last 2 games as much as any games he's managed us in, and they were also as big a game as any especially when you have idiots shouting from the rooftops about wanting him sacked.

[Dalianwanda]

Alloa was used as an example above. Of course that’s a must win. You can’t be getting beat by a part time team when you’re one of the biggest teams in the country. To suggest it’s a big game because of that is a bit ridiculous really. By that logic if we draw Civil Service Strollers in the Scottish it becomes a big game.

If we’re gonna stick labels on every game to suit a point Alloa was a ‘should win’’ 😉

[Dalianwanda]

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[Jones28]

The main thing that matters is the result. You’ve mentioned 5 games there where we have taken a point and been knocked out of two semi finals.

Because the question that was asked was what big games have we performed well in.