Ross out

[Allez Hibs]

What I find more concerning on this is that 56% of the votes cast want him to stay.

Under jack Ross the football we watch is dreadful and hoof ball boring.

We have meekly surrendered 2 cup semi finals.
We don’t beat Aberdeen. Celtic, rangers

He will cause a massive drop in season ticket sales. The football is awful
Same defensive mistakes all the time, too many midfielders signed.

The list goes on and on.

He’s not the right manager for us.

Absolutely correct. I wonder many of the 56% are more bothered with the running of the club warm and fuzzy corporate stuff rather than understanding the actual football side of things.

[AgentDaleCooper]

Some of the stuff on here is utterly embarrassing. I'm sure all football teams have fans that react like this, but in the context it's hard to believe. We have, come to think of it, long had a reputation for being quick to get on the back our team, something that has been exploited by other managers in games by frustrating us until the fans turn.

Thank **** we're not able to attend games at the moment, god knows how much lower we'd be in the league.

[The Spaceman]

Some of the stuff on here is utterly embarrassing. I'm sure all football teams have fans that react like this, but in the context it's hard to believe. We have, come to think of it, long had a reputation for being quick to get on the back our team, something that has been exploited by other managers in games by frustrating us until the fans turn.

Thank **** we're not able to attend games at the moment, god knows how much lower we'd be in the league.

Spot on. It has been completely blown out of proportion and some of the bedwetting on here has been nothing short of hilarious.

[Allez Hibs]

Some of the stuff on here is utterly embarrassing. I'm sure all football teams have fans that react like this, but in the context it's hard to believe. We have, come to think of it, long had a reputation for being quick to get on the back our team, something that has been exploited by other managers in games by frustrating us until the fans turn.

Thank **** we're not able to attend games at the moment, god knows how much lower we'd be in the league.

You have just answered the exact point the fans who are "criticising" the team have. The football needs to be better with a manager who can win big games then the fans won't turn will they. It really is that simple.

[Peevemor]

Absolutely correct. I wonder many of the 56% are more bothered with the running of the club warm and fuzzy corporate stuff rather than understanding the actual football side of things.


You have just answered the exact point the fans who are "criticising" the team have. The football needs to be better with a manager who can win big games then the fans won't turn iwll they. It really is that simple.

You're going to continue to ignore my question then?

[B.H.F.C]

Anyone who genuinely thinks we should get rid of Jack Ross now, quite frankly, is utterly clueless in regard to both our football club and football in general. It is so simple to just look at our club over the past 30 years and realise we are still having a relatively good/strong season so far. Had we been pumped out of the league cup and Scottish cup early doors and were sitting fourth in the league two points off Aberdeen and six points off Celtic nobody would be in hysterics right now. If you are on his back now, then you should really go support (or hate) some other football club.

Thankfully there are qualified chaps like yourself to keep everyone in check. Posts like this are no better than the Jack Dross stuff at the other end of the scale.

[mcfly]

Spot on. It has been completely blown out of proportion and some of the bedwetting on here has been nothing short of hilarious.

Bed wetting oh how original.....

I didn’t find sat performance hilarious nor did I find our defeat to hearts at hampden hilarious.

you carry on and keep in enjoying mr Ross’s hoof ball.

[AgentDaleCooper]

You have just answered the exact point the fans who are "criticising" the team have. The football needs to be better with a manager who can win big games then the fans won't turn will they. It really is that simple.

So it's of no concern to you that our fans expectations are weaponised by other teams?

We operate on a budget. Expecting brilliant all the time is very self defeating - we'll occasionally strike lucky with a manager who is up and coming or something, but generally speaking, it's going to be at some sort of cost, because we can't afford a team of complete footballers. So,if you want excitement every game, expect a soft defence most of the time, and certainly don't expect to challenge Aberdeen for 3rd, as they have mastered grinding it out, season after season.

There is no way we are going to build something if we expect instant gratification on the park.

[Pretty Boy]

Then the revolving door of managers starts and where does that lead us? Heres a hint we saw it in 2014, and it wasn't pretty.

Tbf the revolving door of managers also saw us replace Duffy with McLeish, Williamson with Mowbray, Mixu with Hughes, Calderwood with Fenlon, Butcher with Stubbs, Stubbs with Lennon and Heckingbottom with Ross. All of those changes saw us improve in a tangible way from where we had been before even if it was rarely sustained.

Again I'm not calling for Ross to go but there are arguably more examples of a change in manager improving Hibs in recent times rather than it weakening us.

[Allez Hibs]

So it's of no concern to you that our fans expectations are weaponised by other teams?

We operate on a budget. Expecting brilliant all the time is very self defeating - we'll occasionally strike lucky with a manager who is up and coming or something, but generally speaking, it's going to be at some sort of cost, because we can't afford a team of complete footballers. So,if you want excitement every game, expect a soft defence most of the time, and certainly don't expect to challenge Aberdeen for 3rd, as they have mastered grinding it out, season after season.

There is no way we are going to build something if we expect instant gratification on the park.

So what s Jack Ross building at Hibs?

We have an ageing defense who are being offered new contracts which is baffling. We only have two strikers. We seem to be signing midfielder after midfielder hoping to unearth the next John McGinn. Do you think we have a balances squad? Let alone knowing how JR is actually trying to win a game tactically?

[we are hibs]

Genuinely curious as to why everytime people want a manager gone people say "what if we end up with another calderwood or butcher?" Why are you assuming that we will replace a manager with a donkey because its happened in the past? That is no reflection on now. Its a different board and owner. We might end up with a better manager. Changing manager doesnt automatically mean = ***** replacement.

[flash]

So what s Jack Ross building at Hibs?

We have an ageing defense who are being offered new contracts which is baffling. We only have two strikers. We seem to be signing midfielder after midfielder hoping to unearth the next John McGinn. Do you think we have a balances squad? Let alone knowing how JR is actually trying to win a game tactically?
How are we not bottom of the league if it's as bad as you think? Genuine question.

[Jones28]

Tbf the revolving door of managers also saw us replace Duffy with McLeish, Williamson with Mowbray, Mixu with Hughes, Calderwood with Fenlon, Butcher with Stubbs, Stubbs with Lennon and Heckingbottom with Ross. All of those changes saw us improve in a tangible way from where we had been before even if it was rarely sustained.

Again I'm not calling for Ross to go but there are arguably more examples of a change in manager improving Hibs in recent times rather than it weakening us.

Just that line there is why what seems to be an 18 month window doesn't work in the long term: you bring a manager in who gets 3 transfer windows to put a stamp on the team which isn't enough time. I don't disagree with your point but the pre Stubbs sack/replace policy lead to disaster, even if we did get new-manager bounces out of most of the guys you mention.

Tbh most of those managers probably should have gone before they did, Fenlon and Lennon in particular. Sometimes its achingly obvious when a manager needs to go and a lot of the time they do, like with Heckingbottom. You could correlate his style of football with dreadful league position. You can't do that with Ross.

I said on Saturday night that it's time for Ross to show that he is deserving of further backing by what is the majority of supporters, and I am still confident he and the team can do this.

[jacomo]

Agree with this ..the hysterics are beyond any reasonable assessment of where we are. People should feel free to criticise and pose questions - but to support throwing Ross out after 12 months if this journey is without doubt a ridiculous position to take ..


:agree:

[Wheat Hound]

Regardless of your opinion, resorting to telling other Hibs fans of opposing views that they should go and support someone else is out of order. As long as you're being respectful, you're entitled to your point of view.

My own opinion is that Ross should go. However, I'll be fully supportive of him and the team on Wednesday and the rest of the season, and would be happy if he proves me wrong.

[CentreLine]

What I find more concerning on this is that 56% of the votes cast want him to stay.

Under jack Ross the football we watch is dreadful and hoof ball boring.

We have meekly surrendered 2 cup semi finals.
We don’t beat Aberdeen. Celtic, rangers

He will cause a massive drop in season ticket sales. The football is awful
Same defensive mistakes all the time, too many midfielders signed.

The list goes on and on.

He’s not the right manager for us.

Yeh, it sucks when people won’t climb aboard with the agenda 🤔

[jacomo]

Thankfully there are qualified chaps like yourself to keep everyone in check. Posts like this are no better than the Jack Dross stuff at the other end of the scale.


The post you replied to is in no way equivalent to the abuse and hysteria seen since Saturday. I think a lot of Hibs supporters have lost their minds, quite frankly - understandable in these trying times, but still unhelpful.

[cabbageandribs1875]

I don't think it's him - I think they just share a gang hut.

But if you ever want to keep Allez Hibs quiet for a bit, you only have to ask him what his other user name is and he disappears for hours.


i know that's why i edited, but you were too fast :greengrin

[jacomo]

What I find more concerning on this is that 56% of the votes cast want him to stay.

Under jack Ross the football we watch is dreadful and hoof ball boring.

We have meekly surrendered 2 cup semi finals.
We don’t beat Aberdeen. Celtic, rangers

He will cause a massive drop in season ticket sales. The football is awful
Same defensive mistakes all the time, too many midfielders signed.

The list goes on and on.

He’s not the right manager for us.


Also, for context, we are currently 4th in the league.

[Allez Hibs]

Regardless of your opinion, resorting to telling other Hibs fans of opposing views that they should go and support someone else is out of order. As long as you're being respectful, you're entitled to your point of view.

My own opinion is that Ross should go. However, I'll be fully supportive of him and the team on Wednesday and the rest of the season, and would be happy if he proves me wrong.

Great Post 👏

A few posters could certainly learn from that outlook. This is a fans forum where opinion is shared. Users shouldn't be ridiculed or rally others into thinking the same way. Seen it on this thread and other threads all from the same user.

[Allez Hibs]

You're going to continue to ignore my question then?

Yes I am. Its tiresome.

[Peevemor]

Great Post 👏

A few posters could certainly learn from that outlook. This is a fans forum where opinion is shared. Users shouldn't be ridiculed or rally others into thinking the same way. Seen it on this thread and other threads all from the same user.

???

[mcfly]

Yeh, it sucks when people won’t climb aboard with the agenda 🤔

You keep on accepting mediocrity..

Personally I expect a little more fight in my team than bottling it every time they attend the national stadium.

Please answer me 1 question - why is our squad got hardly any defenders or strikers but we have about a dozen midfielders?

Something v wrong there

[flash]

Great Post 👏

A few posters could certainly learn from that outlook. This is a fans forum where opinion is shared. Users shouldn't be ridiculed or rally others into thinking the same way. Seen it on this thread and other threads all from the same user.

You called the manager Jack Dross so forgive me if I don't heed your rallying call regarding respect.

[Peevemor]

Yes I am. Its tiresome.

Why don't you answer with a yes or no?

Do you have another username on here, either past or present?

What do you have to hide?

[flash]

You keep on accepting mediocrity..

Personally I expect a little more fight in my team than bottling it every time they attend the national stadium.

Please answer me 1 question - why is our squad got hardly any defenders or strikers but we have about a dozen midfielders?

Something v wrong there
Accepting mediocrity. The clarion call of the cast out and disenfranchised the world over.

[flash]

Why don't you anser with a yes or no?

Do you have another username on here, either past or present?

What do you have to hide?

What is the other one. Something maroon influenced presumably.

[Peevemor]

Accepting mediocrity. The clarion call of the cast out and disenfranchised the world over.

And short of stopping supporting Hibs or buying out Ron and changing everything, we still don't know how to not accept results.

[Jones28]

And short of stopping supporting Hibs or buying out Ron and changing everything, we still don't know how to not accept results.

Well I'm going to make a cup of tea to see if that helps the cause any.

[B.H.F.C]

The post you replied to is in no way equivalent to the abuse and hysteria seen since Saturday. I think a lot of Hibs supporters have lost their minds, quite frankly - understandable in these trying times, but still unhelpful.

It is. Calling people clueless for having an opposing view is daft. Calling Jack Ross, Jack Dross is also a bit daft. But if anyone thinks Jack Ross’ Hibs team is dross then that’s up to them. Doesn’t make them clueless and doesn’t mean they’ve lost their minds.

[HNA11]

If posters feel someone is posting using multiple usernames can they please use the report function or contact an admin. It's not fair to throw that accusation around publicly.

Whatever some people might believe the admins are quite good at this and we intercept the vast majority of people with multiple accounts before they make a single post. If one has potentially slipped through the net then we will be happy to look at it. We can do without the vigilantism though.

[superfurryhibby]

THus far I been a pretty firm defender of Ross and felt we were on course in terms of progress. After the Hampden debacle we witnessed on Saturday I have to wonder where he is taking this team.

He's been well backed financially and we've obviously improved, but the poor results of the past month have really dunted my confidence in him.

There are plenty of good footballers at HIbs, way too many central midfielders though. Signings/tactics/team selection and football strategy is looking increasingly as if it lacks credibility.

I wonder if Ross wasn't so articulate, would he still get the same leeway?


I wonder if a better manager could get more from the group Ross has?


If it falls apart much further though, he will be under real pressure.

Have to say, ****ing sick of it all. That descended into a clueless farce on Saturday. The manager should be ashamed and so should the players.

[Brightside]

Great Post 👏

A few posters could certainly learn from that outlook. This is a fans forum where opinion is shared. Users shouldn't be ridiculed or rally others into thinking the same way. Seen it on this thread and other threads all from the same user.

You are on here slating people and calling them childish names....the same on the other thread you created about Lewis and Paul. If you want to debate then try and do that otherwise you may as well just go out into a field and scream at the moon. Saying "He's Dross" is frankly a waste of bandwidth.

[madhatter]

Some of the stuff on here is utterly embarrassing. I'm sure all football teams have fans that react like this, but in the context it's hard to believe. We have, come to think of it, long had a reputation for being quick to get on the back our team, something that has been exploited by other managers in games by frustrating us until the fans turn.

Thank **** we're not able to attend games at the moment, god knows how much lower we'd be in the league.

How are we any more likely to turn on a manager than any other fan in the world? I actually think we’ve got more patience than many, this possibly even tips into apathy. Same old Hibs is a common thought and conversation piece. Unlike many clubs in Scotland we routinely flirt with success only to, more often than not, implode.

Lampard has been sacked. “Klopp out”calls this week. Look at Zidane at Real, in, sacked, in and want rid again.

Love it how some quarters actually seem to make our club’s failing about the fans as if we aren’t good enough and different to fans of other clubs. No wonder ER has pretty much been a library for years, cant support right. Too enthusiastic or too much booing...

Says it all, people think they are being positive by essentially saying they are glad fans can’t attend ER as we’ll cause the team to perform worse. That’ll get people buying STs and putting money into HSL...

Applying this logic, would we have lost 10-0 to St Johnstone had we, the fans, been at Hampden?

[Brightside]

You keep on accepting mediocrity..

Personally I expect a little more fight in my team than bottling it every time they attend the national stadium.

Please answer me 1 question - why is our squad got hardly any defenders or strikers but we have about a dozen midfielders?

Something v wrong there

A football team uses double the amount of midfielders to attackers (minimum) - you dont even need to be that up on football to know this.....

[flash]

If posters feel someone is posting using multiple usernames can they please use the report function or contact an admin. It's not fair to throw that accusation around publicly.

Whatever some people might believe the admins are quite good at this and we intercept the vast majority of people with multiple accounts before they make a single post. If one has potentially slipped through the net then we will be happy to look at it. We can do without the vigilantism though.

I apologise for being part of that. One username is more than enough for the poster in question.:wink:

[B.H.F.C]

A football team uses double the amount of midfielders to attackers (minimum) - you dont even need to be that up on football to know this.....

For most of this season we’ve played with two central midfielders and two strikers. Last count I think we have 8 central midfielders.

[Unseen work]

https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hibs/hibs-raising-questions-rather-silverware-scott-allan-admits-critics-right-have-go-3111230?r=8486

Scott Allan putting it down to the players and taking responsibility.

[madhatter]

https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hibs/hibs-raising-questions-rather-silverware-scott-allan-admits-critics-right-have-go-3111230?r=8486

Scott Allan putting it down to the players and taking responsibility.

Paper talk. Doubt he would say anything else especially having been out for so long. Couldn’t easily blame anybody else.

[Peevemor]

If posters feel someone is posting using multiple usernames can they please use the report function or contact an admin. It's not fair to throw that accusation around publicly.

Whatever some people might believe the admins are quite good at this and we intercept the vast majority of people with multiple accounts before they make a single post. If one has potentially slipped through the net then we will be happy to look at it. We can do without the vigilantism though.

The poster in question is quick to find fault in almost everything I post - and he's within his right to do so.

I don't believe for a second that he hasn't or doesn't also post under another name and I asked him if this is the case.

If he only uses one user name, all he has to do is say but he refuses to answer.

I'm not abusing him behind his back - I'm being straight out. All I'm asking is that he does the same.

Why do I need to bother the admins for that?

[flash]

Paper talk. Doubt he would say anything else especially having been out for so long. Couldn’t easily blame anybody else.

It's not paper talk just because it doesn't suit your agenda.

[Since452]

It's not paper talk just because it doesn't suit your agenda.

No point mate. Jack Ross can do no right in some people's eyes.

[madhatter]

It's not paper talk just because it doesn't suit your agenda.

It is paper talk though, it is in a paper...

What’s my agenda exactly?

[WhileTheChief..]

THus far I been a pretty firm defender of Ross and felt we were on course in terms of progress. After the Hampden debacle we witnessed on Saturday I have to wonder where he is taking this team.

He's been well backed financially and we've obviously improved, but the poor results of the past month have really dunted my confidence in him.

There are plenty of good footballers at HIbs, way too many central midfielders though. Signings/tactics/team selection and football strategy is looking increasingly as if it lacks credibility.

I wonder if Ross wasn't so articulate, would he still get the same leeway?


I wonder if a better manager could get more from the group Ross has?


If it falls apart much further though, he will be under real pressure.

Have to say, ****ing sick of it all. That descended into a clueless farce on Saturday. The manager should be ashamed and so should the players.

Thing is, we don’t know if JR thinks he got it wrong or not, he wouldn’t answer when asked.

I like him, and as you say, he talks a good game generally.

But I have no idea how he wants the game to be played or what his preferred system / formation is. I’m not convinced he knows either.

Gut feeling is we will plod along to the end of the season and finish 4th or 5th with the football on show being pretty rank.

[Unseen work]

Paper talk. Doubt he would say anything else especially having been out for so long. Couldn’t easily blame anybody else.

Why?

He could say tactically we got it wrong or blamed other things such as luck blah blah blah.

Instead he put it on himself and mainly his team mates that played the first hour which isn’t an easy thing to do in the media and some might not like it, but it’s the truth.

He knows how they’ve performed in big games is unacceptable and again mentions the semi against hearts which he wasn’t a part of either.

The players know it’s their fault so why do fans overlook them and blame the manager? We missed our chances and they scored 2 weak goals from set pieces.

Individual errors/lapses in concentration have killed us one again.

[Allez Hibs]

The poster in question is quick to find fault in almost everything I post - and he's within his right to do so.

I don't believe for a second that he hasn't or doesn't also post under another name and I asked him if this is the case.

If he only uses one user name, all he has to do is say but he refuses to answer.

I'm not abusing him behind his back - I'm being straight out. All I'm asking is that he does the same.

Why do I need to bother the admins for that?

Only username. Thought it was a joke at first but the continual questioning has become tiring.

We all want the best for the club with a successful team on the park and we all have different opinion sof how that can and should be achieved. Another thing that is tiring and I've said this before and seen it a number of times to other users is when someone disagrees with what is posted they automatically get labeled a Jambo, really?

[mcfly]

A football team uses double the amount of midfielders to attackers (minimum) - you dont even need to be that up on football to know this.....

Thanks mr bright side - maths not your strong point then.

We have more treble the amount of midfielders than strikers. We use the same 2 central defenders despite them making the same mistakes constantly.

Manager doesn’t know his best team - sat was a shambles and anyone who accepts that it wasn’t should watch the game again.

Gave up is a term I’d use for the second half. V v sad to see

[madhatter]

No point mate. Jack Ross can do no right in some people's eyes.

My point was to not read into what Scott Allan said to a journalist. Do people genuinely think Scott Allan would say “this manager is clueless and his formation and tactics are all over the place”. No. Similarly Jack Ross won’t say “These players are absolute rubbish”. Even Jack Ross’ criticism of the players was tempered as he tried to use “we” rather than “they”. He is reasoned man so doesn’t blurt out nonsense.

Just not how it works. Not just at Hibs, not at any club. Very rarely do club affairs hit tabloids in this way, when it does it normally ends in a mess.

[madhatter]

Why?

He could say tactically we got it wrong or blamed other things such as luck blah blah blah.

Instead he put it on himself and mainly his team mates that played the first hour which isn’t an easy thing to do in the media and some might not like it, but it’s the truth.

He knows how they’ve performed in big games is unacceptable and again mentions the semi against hearts which he wasn’t a part of either.

The players know it’s their fault so why do fans overlook them and blame the manager? We missed our chances and they scored 2 weak goals from set pieces.

Individual errors/lapses in concentration have killed us one again.

Did I say I’m absolving them of blame? No, I’m saying Scott Allan has said what 99.99% of players will say. It’s almost a contractual obligation. I’m not even using it to direct blame at Jack Ross. People are reading it that way because they want to see it I think. I’m simply saying do people genuinely think that the whole truth is what reaches the papers? It’s birthday card rubbish, what fans want to hear mostly.

Get Stevie Mallan interviewed and compare it to what he tells his family behind closed doors. Paper - I need to prove my worth and it’s my duty to show what I can in training. To family - he keeps playing Hallberg, I’m trying my best...not sure what I can do. This is obviously a hypothetical scenario to show an example.

Just for fairness. Jack Ross, Paper - We need to put more work in on the training pitch to stop these mistakes. To family - those muppets keep making the same mistakes.

[flash]

It is paper talk though, it is in a paper...

What’s my agenda exactly?

It's actual quotes. Your agenda is to make sure the blame lies fully with the manager.

[madhatter]

It's actual quotes. Your agenda is to make sure the blame lies fully with the manager.

I think if you read my posts on this matter you will see that isn’t the case.

It’s actual quotes in a paper...

Have you seen 99.99% players being interviewed? Scripted responses. That’s why Ibrahimovic interviews etc. get so much attention. Why Scott Browns notorious interview before he left. Almost everything said is stock answers. Same goes for managers, people enjoyed Holloway because his nonsense in interviews.

[Brightside]

For most of this season we’ve played with two central midfielders and two strikers. Last count I think we have 8 central midfielders.

tbf the majority of those CMs can play all over the midfield, not just CM.

[flash]

I think if you read my posts on this matter you will see that isn’t the case.

It’s actual quotes in a paper...

Have you seen 99.99% players being interviewed? Scripted responses. That’s why Ibrahimovic interviews etc. get so much attention. Why Scott Browns notorious interview before he left. Almost everything said is stock answers. Same goes for managers, people enjoyed Holloway because his nonsense in interviews.
Whilst I don't agree with you regarding the quotes I retract the part about blaming the manager having now read your previous post.

[madhatter]

Whilst I don't agree with you regarding the quotes I retract the part about blaming the manager having now read your previous post.

Agree to disagree on that one. Don’t trust what’s in papers as I think at best you only get surface level stuff.

[superfurryhibby]

Thing is, we don’t know if JR thinks he got it wrong or not, he wouldn’t answer when asked.

I like him, and as you say, he talks a good game generally.

But I have no idea how he wants the game to be played or what his preferred system / formation is. I’m not convinced he knows either.

Gut feeling is we will plod along to the end of the season and finish 4th or 5th with the football on show being pretty rank.

I've not been near social media or any other news outlet, from Saturday afternoon until I posted, so haven't been aware of what Ross said post match. I would have hoped he would have acknowledged that the performance was poor, but I don't suppose he would be saying, aye eh, I'm a bit clueless at times and running out ideas of so I just keep signing central midfielders.

You're probably right. The season will plod along without absolute implosion and we will end up limping home in fourth or fifth. However, the worry is that fans won't be coughing up with the same level of season tickets with this mediocrity happening on the field.

My impression is that Gordon has backed Ross with funds that are the equal to any given to any Hibs manager in the past decade or so. Is he going to want to carry on doing so if this seasons outcome ends up as we both predict?

Two golden chances to reach a cup final, both of them lost to teams that we should be beating (player for player there are only a very few from either Saints or Hearts that I would take in my Hibs side). Not really good enough.

What also alarms me is the refusal to address lack of competition in central defence and up front. MacGregor will only be used in dire emergencies and Doidge is drifting having a poor season.

[B.H.F.C]

tbf the majority of those CMs can play all over the midfield, not just CM.

No do sure about that. Gogic, Hallberg, McGinn, Irvine, Mallan, Allan all play centrally. Some more attack minded than others right enough. Newell has played wide but we’d all agree he’s not a wide player. Magennis playing wide left seemed to be to fit him in the team.

All those midfielders but lacking in other areas.

[JohnM1875]

No do sure about that. Gogic, Hallberg, McGinn, Irvine, Mallan, Allan all play centrally. Some more attack minded than others right enough. Newell has played wide but we’d all agree he’s not a wide player. Magennis playing wide left seemed to be to fit him in the team.

All those midfielders but lacking in other areas.

Not really directed at you individually, but loads of folk seem so sure Magennis is a CM. Any time I watched him play for St Mirren it was wide, fair enough that was only five or six times, but the majority of his time with us he's been used out wide too.

[B.H.F.C]

Not really directed at you individually, but loads of folk seem so sure Magennis is a CM. Any time I watched him play for St Mirren it was wide, fair enough that was only five or six times, but the majority of his time with us he's been used out wide too.

Maybe a fair point, I can honestly say that I don’t remember him at all from his time at St Mirren so you may well be right. I think my expectation was just that he’d play centrally on the basis of what was said at the time he signed. Obviously we were in for McCrorie and didn’t get him and having moved on to Magennis I’d just have assumed we’d be looking for something similar.

[Brightside]

No do sure about that. Gogic, Hallberg, McGinn, Irvine, Mallan, Allan all play centrally. Some more attack minded than others right enough. Newell has played wide but we’d all agree he’s not a wide player. Magennis playing wide left seemed to be to fit him in the team.

All those midfielders but lacking in other areas.

Hallberg played on the left v Rangers i think....played well too. Mallan has played LM many occasions as has Newall. Im not saying any of them are wingers but they play all over the midfield Rm over to LM.....I agree Gogic is very limited to that DM role, McGinn is a waste of a wage for me and one i'd happily see released asap. For the record id happily give up a midfielder for a CB right now.

If we play a diamond or a middle 3 then we arent that over stocked in midfield. We are if for some reason he continues to play a 442 with 2 wingers.....but ive zero idea why he ever plays with the formation.

[JohnM1875]

Maybe a fair point, I can honestly say that I don’t remember him at all from his time at St Mirren so you may well be right. I think my expectation was just that he’d play centrally on the basis of what was said at the time he signed. Obviously we were in for McCrorie and didn’t get him and having moved on to Magennis I’d just have assumed we’d be looking for something similar.

Aye, good point about the timing of the signing after missing out on McCrorie.

He definitely has the attributes to play centrally I reckon. But just don't think it's his main position.

[B.H.F.C]

Hallberg played on the left v Rangers i think....played well too. Mallan has played LM many occasions as has Newall. Im not saying any of them are wingers but they play all over the midfield Rm over to LM.....I agree Gogic is very limited to that DM role, McGinn is a waste of a wage for me and one i'd happily see released asap. For the record id happily give up a midfielder for a CB right now.

If we play a diamond or a middle 3 then we arent that over stocked in midfield. We are if for some reason he continues to play a 442 with 2 wingers.....but ive zero idea why he ever plays with the formation.

If memory serves we played 352 against Rangers with a middle three of Gogic, Hallberg and Newell. It can be a bit of a struggle trying to keep up with the weekly formation changes though.

I just don’t see how they all fit together. It’s like a collection of players (most of them decent enough players individually) but it’s like there hasn’t been any thought given to how we’ll set up, who will play where etc. And I think, as a result, were not getting the best from players.

[Coco Bryce]

Hibs getting ripped apart on BBC Sportsound.

[allmodcons]

Hibs getting ripped apart on BBC Sportsound.

What a fat, horrible, arrogant, hun **** Charlie Adam is.

[angus hibby]

Saturday was a massive disappointment but to sack a manager who has only managed us for 22 games, has a win percentage of 45% and has us around 3rd/4th in the league.... Is this where we are?

[Coco Bryce]

Cannae stop laughing at whoever said they were baffled why Drey Wright was not playing and Hibs missed his pace.

[bingo70]

Hibs getting ripped apart on BBC Sportsound.

What for?

Just how we played at the weekend or deeper issues than that?

[madhatter]

Hibs getting ripped apart on BBC Sportsound.

Only one way to stop that.

[Scottie]

Only one way to stop that.
Unfortunately how long have we been all saying that ? As night follows day we let ourselves down, no-one else to blame.

[Coco Bryce]

What for?

Just how we played at the weekend or deeper issues than that?

Just our complete capitulation of Saturday. Players not mentally up for it,bad team selection and tactics blah blah

[Callum_62]

Saturday was a massive disappointment but to sack a manager who has only managed us for 22 games, has a win percentage of 45% and has us around 3rd/4th in the league.... Is this where we are?He's managed us far longer than 22 games? Weve played more than 22 games this league campaign

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[madhatter]

Just out complete capitulation of Saturday. Players not mentally up for it,bad team selection and tactics blah blah

Which is essentially what Jack Ross and Scott Allan have said, no? They admitted capitulation, they admitted players let themselves down and judging by Jack Ross’ reaction to journo’s question he maybe does think he got a few things wrong.

We say “same old Hibs”, don’t understand why we get bothered by people saying Hibsed it and saying stuff like that. They don’t care about club but can see a trend we all can see. It’s banter years as far as they’re concerned.

[Sir David Gray]

Hibs getting ripped apart on BBC Sportsound.

Unfortunately we've made ourselves an easy target this time.

We have no-one to blame but ourselves after the gutless performance on Saturday.

[Stuart93]

Unfortunately we've made ourselves an easy target this time.

We have no-one to blame but ourselves after the gutless performance on Saturday.

Not to mention our managers bizarre interview with the bbc after the game

[danhibees1875]

Saturday was a massive disappointment but to sack a manager who has only managed us for 22 games, has a win percentage of 45% and has us around 3rd/4th in the league.... Is this where we are?

No, not according to the poll on this thread anyway.

Even disregarding the timing of it when people were annoyed there's still been more people say they'd rather not replace him.

[hibsbollah]

Just out complete capitulation of Saturday. Players not mentally up for it,bad team selection and tactics blah blah

It can’t have lasted more than four minutes, all I’ve heard is the usual hun love in for the last 15 minutes. Nauseating Gerrard Gerrard Gerrard Gerrard :yawn:

Tom English giving Dundee Utd grief for being ‘loose in the facts’, which isn’t even a phrase. He’s a dunderheided doss ****.

[Sir David Gray]

Not to mention our managers bizarre interview with the bbc after the game

I still haven't listened to it to be honest.

[#2 Double Tap]

No, not according to the poll on this thread anyway.

Even disregarding the timing of it when people were annoyed there's still been more people say they'd rather not replace him.

Marcus Aurelius Quotes
"The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane".

:greengrin

[MWHIBBIES]

Imagine listening to what ****ing sportsound have to say about hibs. They know absolutely nothing about us.

[Dmas]

Not to mention our managers bizarre interview with the bbc after the game

Wasn’t anything wrong with it, he spoke kenny Mac either didn’t bother listening or never got the answers he wanted, it’s blown out of all proportion to use as another stick to beat him with when there’s no need for it.

We’ve all been crying out for a club member to stick it too the media for years now it’s bizarre

[cabbageandribs1875]

sunshine on leith playing now on bryan burnett :)

[MinceAndTatties]

I think Ross’s decision yesterday to throw in players well short of match fitness (Cadden, Irvine, Allan, Magennis) ahead of players who have been doing it for him all season could cause massive issues for him with the team.

If you win, everyone accepts it - the players left out can’t complain.

But to lose, and lose in the manner we did, makes it very hard to justify.

Hallberg and Gogic both played well against Killie. We’ve got a striker on the bench so there’s no need to move Boyle up front to accommodate Cadden.

If you’re Hallberg, Mallan or Doidge you’re going to be annoyed at the selection.

For thirty-odd minutes, it looked like it was working but it didn’t take long for the cracks to show.

We looked like a team who didn’t know what we were doing, and the changes that Ross made didn’t change that. In fact, we got worse after the changes.

As great as it was to see Scott Allan back, surely there’s a question about whether or not it’s fair or right to use a cup semi final to give him his first taste of competitive football in months.

To pick the team under those circumstances (unless there are injuries/knocks we’re unaware of that forced his hand) and then compound that by slaughtering the players post match (however much we agree with him) won’t have given Ross much credit with the players.

It’s decisions like these that can see a manager lose the dressing room.

He’s dug himself a hole now as well, because he’s got to pick a team to dig in for him to try and beat Rangers so he’s either going back to the team that let him down yesterday or he’s turning to the guys he dropped for the new faces Not a great situation.
Agree.Mallan,Doidge and Halberg will be entitled to feel aggrieved. Mallan and Hallberg especially. Mallan
should have been a bench option ahead of Mcgennis. Hallberg has played right midfield and his set pieces would have been an improvement on Boyle’s.

[Hibees1973]

Maybe Ross should be labelled the new 'Tinkerman'.

He has signed a whole lot of midfielders who are no better than what we already have. The squad is now imbalanced with not enough central defenders or centre forwards.

If the next four league games do not produce at least two wins he should be sacked. Livingston may well overtake us soon.

TBH the last two semi finals have made my mind up anyway.

There must be a whole load of disgruntled players at Hibs not sure what he is planning next. Although, the situation with Ross must not be looked at in isolation, the recruitment staff should be under scrutiny as well.

Ross has created a toxic environment through is indecision and lack of clarity. It was there for all to see on Saturday.

[Unseen work]

https://twitter.com/hibernianworld/status/1353114808808300544?s=21

interesting interview, never heard Ross get so annoyed.

[madhatter]

https://twitter.com/hibernianworld/status/1353114808808300544?s=21

interesting interview, never heard Ross get so annoyed.

Misdirected though. Think he was asked a fair question given what had happened.

[Peevemor]

Misdirected though. Think he was asked a fair question given what had happened.It sounds to me like there's possibly more to it and JR's frame of mind after the match led to him reacting the way he did.

[Pretty Boy]

You know what Saturday was crap. Total and utter *****. Embarrassing, shameful and whatever else you want to call it. Absolutely no one is happy about it and no one is making any excuses for it. Trying to explain how it happened isn't the same as excusing it.

During and immediately after the game I was raging and I'm still not particularly happy about things now. I said at the time that whilst I wouldn't be calling for the head of Ross I wasn't bothered if he went. Truth be told I still feel a bit like that now. However he's going nowhere anytime soon and if we are being anything close to objective about things then neither he should be. I have no real inclination to put up much of a defence for Ross, after the 2 semi defeats this season and our recent run of form it's up to him and the team to make it up to us. He deserves that chance though.

I'm not telling anyone to get over it but this hand wringing isn't achieving anything. The managers position won't be reviewed until the summer and if we finish 4th then he won't be going anywhere. All the stomping of feet in the world won't change that. Everything that needs said has been said a hundred times already. Time to look forward imo.

[madhatter]

It sounds to me like there's possibly more to it and JR's frame of mind after the match led to him reacting the way he did.

Yeah, probably. Felt a bit for the journo though as even when he said he respected Jack Ross and was just asking for the fans, Jack sort of went in for seconds and almost ended up doing a primary school teacher delivery of “We played well first half”.

I’m sure there is more to it. Just seemed to escalate in a strange way.

[Nicho87]

That interview, Jesus. Crash

[monarch]

Imagine listening to what ****ing sportsound have to say about hibs. They know absolutely nothing about us.
Exactly. I’m not denying Hibs deserve a kicking over Saturday’s display but turns my stomach when the Weegie based media jump in without checking the facts. Stevie Malian being criticised (not even on the bench) and apparently 21 year old Ryan Porteous has been at ER for as long as Hanlon and Stevenson.

[hibbysam]

Yeah, probably. Felt a bit for the journo though as even when he said he respected Jack Ross and was just asking for the fans, Jack sort of went in for seconds and almost ended up doing a primary school teacher delivery of “We played well first half”.

I’m sure there is more to it. Just seemed to escalate in a strange way.

Ross answered his question firstly, the interviewer then repeated the questions completely ignoring Ross’ answers. That’s why Ross got annoyed and spoke of disrespecting managers. McIntyre was obviously digging for an answer that he wanted to hear, and completely ignoring what Ross had already said. Probably best not listening to snippets put on Twitter and actually listening to the full interview.

[Since452]

Football manager gets irritated by a journalist after a dreadful defeat shock. I'd have worried more if he wasn't angry.

[madhatter]

Ross answered his question firstly, the interviewer then repeated the questions completely ignoring Ross’ answers. That’s why Ross got annoyed and spoke of disrespecting managers. McIntyre was obviously digging for an answer that he wanted to hear, and completely ignoring what Ross had already said. Probably best not listening to snippets put on Twitter and actually listening to the full interview.

I have listened to full interview. I don’t see it the way you have put it. Ross has overreacted. He reacted aggressively when it became about him. He didn’t react with such force when player’s character was questioned. Clearly it was more than just about disrespect otherwise he would’ve reacted aggressively and said “they’ve had an off day, you are being disrespectful to them” when the matter of their character came up.

McIntyre asked a completely different question that morphed back into the same questions after Jack Ross replied with some aggression, can tell immediately the mood shifts with Ross’ “As in?”.

I’ve got nothing against Jack Ross and him showing aggression. Good on him but I think this is wrong place for it and it seemed out of place.

[allmodcons]

Absolutely correct. I wonder many of the 56% are more bothered with the running of the club warm and fuzzy corporate stuff rather than understanding the actual football side of things.

The state of this :rolleyes: like you understand the "actual football side of things" and others don't.

[bingo70]

I have listened to full interview. I don’t see it the way you have put it. Ross has overreacted. He reacted aggressively when it became about him. He didn’t react with such force when player’s character was questioned. Clearly it was more than just about disrespect otherwise he would’ve reacted aggressively and said “they’ve had an off day, you are being disrespectful to them” when the matter of their character came up.

McIntyre asked a completely different question that morphed back into the same questions after Jack Ross replied with some aggression, can tell immediately the mood shifts with Ross’ “As in?”.

I’ve got nothing against Jack Ross and him showing aggression. Good on him but I think this is wrong place for it and it seemed out of place.

I agree with you and didn't like it either .

Apparently the BBC reporter is well known for being a complete prick though and very argumentative. I’m not defending Ross but I suspect he wasn’t in the mood for him and almost pre-empted it.

[hibbysam]

I have listened to full interview. I don’t see it the way you have put it. Ross has overreacted. He reacted aggressively when it became about him. He didn’t react with such force when player’s character was questioned. Clearly it was more than just about disrespect otherwise he would’ve reacted aggressively and said “they’ve had an off day, you are being disrespectful to them” when the matter of their character came up.

McIntyre asked a completely different question that morphed back into the same questions after Jack Ross replied with some aggression, can tell immediately the mood shifts with Ross’ “As in?”.

I’ve got nothing against Jack Ross and him showing aggression. Good on him but I think this is wrong place for it and it seemed out of place.

He basically asked what went wrong, so Ross told him what went wrong, missed chances, defended poorly, fell to pieces after the 2/3rd goals. He agreed that we created plenty and should’ve been in front. Therefore asking about team selections etc if Murphy takes his chances then team selections isn’t spoken about. Our game plan and team first half was ok. But going over and over trying to prize out an answer on the back of that was only going to end one way.

[The Spaceman]

Lots of angry little men on here foaming at the mouth about Jack Ross and getting awfully upset. Honestly go outside and take a walk, it’s not worth getting that worked up about. We are fourth in the league and chasing third. It’s honestly not worth getting so upset about. There’s more to life and other things to obsess over all day.

[EVENTUALLY]

I have listened to full interview. I don’t see it the way you have put it. Ross has overreacted. He reacted aggressively when it became about him. He didn’t react with such force when player’s character was questioned. Clearly it was more than just about disrespect otherwise he would’ve reacted aggressively and said “they’ve had an off day, you are being disrespectful to them” when the matter of their character came up.

McIntyre asked a completely different question that morphed back into the same questions after Jack Ross replied with some aggression, can tell immediately the mood shifts with Ross’ “As in?”.

I’ve got nothing against Jack Ross and him showing aggression. Good on him but I think this is wrong place for it and it seemed out of place.

So what's the big deal.

He was verbally aggressive and there is nothing wrong with that. There were no threats and a clear explanation was provided as to why he initially answered the way he did. The interviewer was seeking a rise from him and backed down when he realised his approach was flawed.

Mind you its a pity his team weren't as aggressive.

[The 90+2]

Pumping Mallan and keeping Hallberg 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[madhatter]

He basically asked what went wrong, so Ross told him what went wrong, missed chances, defended poorly, fell to pieces after the 2/3rd goals. He agreed that we created plenty and should’ve been in front. Therefore asking about team selections etc if Murphy takes his chances then team selections isn’t spoken about. Our game plan and team first half was ok. But going over and over trying to prize out an answer on the back of that was only going to end one way.

Are you trying to tell me if McIntyre had led with “Hi Jack, did you maybe get something wrong today” or something to that effect the result would have been any different? The repeated questions is a deflection, Jack Ross was unhappy when he, personally, got questioned. Sort of understandable while emotions are high but manner of the disagreement was very silly.

[bigwheel]

So what's the big deal.

He was verbally aggressive and there is nothing wrong with that. There were no threats and a clear explanation was provided as to why he initially answered the way he did. The interviewer was seeking a rise from him and backed down when he realised his approach was flawed.

Mind you its a pity his team weren't as aggressive.

Indeed. I was delighted he was angry ...would have been more worried with gentle platitudes. Hope he went through them in the changing room after the match too

[bingo70]

Pumping Mallan and keeping Hallberg 🤣🤣🤣🤣

Maybe no other clubs are wanting Hallberg?

I don’t mind Hallberg to be honest, should have played on Saturday.

[Callum_62]

Lots of angry little men on here foaming at the mouth about Jack Ross and getting awfully upset. Honestly go outside and take a walk, it’s not worth getting that worked up about. We are fourth in the league and chasing third. It’s honestly not worth getting so upset about. There’s more to life and other things to obsess over all day.Here you go mate

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[hibbysam]

Are you trying to tell me if McIntyre had led with “Hi Jack, did you maybe get something wrong today” or something to that effect the result would have been any different? The repeated questions is a deflection, Jack Ross was unhappy when he, personally, got questioned. Sort of understandable while emotions are high but manner of the disagreement was very silly.

He’d have asked him to expand and then would’ve said the team selections was fine as we dominated the first half, and should’ve scored.

If McIntyre had then followed up with ‘so what went wrong today?’ Hed just be asking Ross to repeat himself. The same as what happened. Ross would then have got annoyed at the line of questioning.

[Callum_62]

Pumping Mallan and keeping Hallberg [emoji1787][emoji1787][emoji1787][emoji1787]I used to like Mallan alot but i find he just looks lost most of the time. He lacks athelticsm big time

Wish him all the best if he moves on but no massive lost I don't think

Probably on a fairly decent wage too that we can hopefully put to better use

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[Mr. Wonderful]

What a fat, horrible, arrogant, hun **** Charlie Adam is.

What was said?

[Coco Bryce]

Exactly. I’m not denying Hibs deserve a kicking over Saturday’s display but turns my stomach when the Weegie based media jump in without checking the facts. Stevie Malian being criticised (not even on the bench) and apparently 21 year old Ryan Porteous has been at ER for as long as Hanlon and Stevenson.

I agree. The point about us missing the pace of Drey Wright had me dumbfounded. So out of touch it's unbelievable.

[hibbysam]

I agree. The point about us missing the pace of Drey Wright had me dumbfounded. So out of touch it's unbelievable.

Did they discuss the embarrassment of drawing at a part time side on Friday night with Mr Adam? No doubt a class player but seems extremely illiterate.

[Hibiza]

Football manager gets irritated by a journalist after a dreadful defeat shock. I'd have worried more if he wasn't angry.

Pity he didn't get angry during half time at two semi - finals

[AZhibee]

Couldn’t give a **** if we finish 4th in the weakest league in history, he’s an absolute bottler. We will never beat the OF, Aberdeen or hearts (oooh 1 game) or games at Hampden

Thought 2014-2015 was the weakest league in recent history.

[flash]

Thought 2014-2015 was the weakest league in recent history.

Even better the moronic statement that we will never beat Hearts with him in charge other than the time we actually did.

[mcohibs]

Lots of angry little men on here foaming at the mouth about Jack Ross and getting awfully upset. Honestly go outside and take a walk, it’s not worth getting that worked up about. We are fourth in the league and chasing third. It’s honestly not worth getting so upset about. There’s more to life and other things to obsess over all day.

We're fourth in the league chasing fifth on current form

[hibbysam]

We're fourth in the league chasing fifth on current form

Are we really? Ours and Aberdeen’s form is near identical and they play Livi twice in a couple of weeks, something gives in both of those games.

[Jim44]

We're fourth in the league chasing fifth on current form


Are we really? Ours and Aberdeen’s form is near identical and they play Livi twice in a couple of weeks, something gives in both of those games.

Once we get the Rangers game, which, on form I don’t see us getting anything from, out the way, we have games coming up which hopefully will see us consolidate or improve our position.

[john rossi]

I like the guy talks the talk but he can walk as tactically gets found out with terrible subs second half on Saturday was unforgivable his demeanour on the touch line lack of animation reflects the poor performances on the pitch we can do better.

[Callum_62]

I like the guy talks the talk but he can walk as tactically gets found out with terrible subs second half on Saturday was unforgivable his demeanour on the touch line lack of animation reflects the poor performances on the pitch we can do better.His demeanor means nowt

I watched MOTD the other day and as city missed another chance to equalise against Cheltenham, pep was sitting down in his dugout

I seen Big Sam basically reclining in his dugout the other week before his team fought back to win


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[Shrekko]

See this new breed of Hibs fans who are hounding managers out at the drop of a hat and mocking other (apparently less knowledgeable) fans for ‘accepting mediocrity’? When did they start supporting Hibs and do they know anything about our history as well as the dynamics of Scottish football?

We all want better, but I must say if we’re going to start demanding sackings when we’re sitting 4th and playing in cup semi’s then surely the job is going to become a poisoned chalice?

I’m not saying Jack Ross will be the man to lead us to greater things but to even think about firing him right now would be just lunacy. We have reason to be gutted about both semi’s but I’m not quite getting how the manager ‘bottled it’? Every game we play under Ross Jack seems quite positive in terms of us looking to impose ourselves and competing.

Some players have played poorly at bad times but anyone who predicted we’d lose 3-0 on Saturday when the team was announced is lying. Nobody was calling for any of the players now being slated not to start so in what way has he bottled it?

[Booked4Being-Ugly]

Lots of angry little men on here foaming at the mouth about Jack Ross and getting awfully upset. Honestly go outside and take a walk, it’s not worth getting that worked up about. We are fourth in the league and chasing third. It’s honestly not worth getting so upset about. There’s more to life and other things to obsess over all day.

Loving the irony.

[The Count]

Reading today about decent clubs interested in some of our players.If you look at our squad we have got decent/good players and is not just full of journeymen and duds.So it begs the question why are we not performing better as a team? I said before i support the manager and will give him time but i will be looking for better performances/results for the rest of the season with 4th place and european football next season a must.

[Smartie]

Reading today about decent clubs interested in some of our players.If you look at our squad we have got decent/good players and is not just full of journeymen and duds.So it begs the question why are we not performing better as a team? I said before i support the manager and will give him time but i will be looking for better performances/results for the rest of the season with 4th place and european football next season a must.

We have a lot of decent players, a lot of players with decent potential but flaws. We’ve also got quite a lot of players with decent standing in the game who just aren’t offering enough.

I don’t think we have anyone at the moment who is indispensable. Boyle has been close to there in the past but not this season. Doig is improving and may reach that status. There are questions over Allan’s fitness. Nisbet is going through a wee dip in form and we’re struggling to get players around him to complement him fully. Porteous keeps making those mistakes.

Paul McGinn is possibly our most important and consistent player right now.

Given we’ll surely have to ship out to bring the necessary players in, you could make a case for almost anyone leaving.

[Since452]

See this new breed of Hibs fans who are hounding managers out at the drop of a hat and mocking other (apparently less knowledgeable) fans for ‘accepting mediocrity’? When did they start supporting Hibs and do they know anything about our history as well as the dynamics of Scottish football?

We all want better, but I must say if we’re going to start demanding sackings when we’re sitting 4th and playing in cup semi’s then surely the job is going to become a poisoned chalice?

I’m not saying Jack Ross will be the man to lead us to greater things but to even think about firing him right now would be just lunacy. We have reason to be gutted about both semi’s but I’m not quite getting how the manager ‘bottled it’? Every game we play under Ross Jack seems quite positive in terms of us looking to impose ourselves and competing.

Some players have played poorly at bad times but anyone who predicted we’d lose 3-0 on Saturday when the team was announced is lying. Nobody was calling for any of the players now being slated not to start so in what way has he bottled it?

Seems to me that you have to be as angry and as hysterical as possible after a defeat nowadays on social media platforms. Demanding heads of managers and players. Thought it was just a Hibs thing to start with but Liverpool fans are at it with Klopp too. I'll never get my head around it. No perspective whatsoever.

[madhatter]

See this new breed of Hibs fans who are hounding managers out at the drop of a hat and mocking other (apparently less knowledgeable) fans for ‘accepting mediocrity’? When did they start supporting Hibs and do they know anything about our history as well as the dynamics of Scottish football?

We all want better, but I must say if we’re going to start demanding sackings when we’re sitting 4th and playing in cup semi’s then surely the job is going to become a poisoned chalice?

I’m not saying Jack Ross will be the man to lead us to greater things but to even think about firing him right now would be just lunacy. We have reason to be gutted about both semi’s but I’m not quite getting how the manager ‘bottled it’? Every game we play under Ross Jack seems quite positive in terms of us looking to impose ourselves and competing.

Some players have played poorly at bad times but anyone who predicted we’d lose 3-0 on Saturday when the team was announced is lying. Nobody was calling for any of the players now being slated not to start so in what way has he bottled it?

Don’t understand why you asked when people started supporting Hibs and asking whether they know about the history of the club? Surely if anything that’s pretty much saying “don’t call for manager to be sacked because we’re normally failing so give the guy a break” or else I suppose it’s a dig at them being Hibs fans or at the very least questioning whether they are knowledgeable Hibs fans...

New breed of Hibs fan as well...pretty sure like every single club in the world our fans are pretty much normal. Mocking and less knowledgeable? You’ve said they are a new breed and questioned when they started supporting Hibs and how much they know about Hibs history.

I’m not that young now but if I was I’d find it difficult to get on to supporting Hibs as I think we are encouraged to remember we are serial failures to justify current failures. I even remember that when I was growing up “Get used to it, that’s Hibs”. People say they don’t accept mediocrity but tbh if you support Hibs you do, especially the younger you are. Passed down by generations “Typical Hibs”.

We just have varying levels of acceptance.

[Brizo]

I agree with you and didn't like it either .

Apparently the BBC reporter is well known for being a complete prick though and very argumentative. I’m not defending Ross but I suspect he wasn’t in the mood for him and almost pre-empted it.


MacIntyre was one of the main media instigators who bought into the whole Sevco post SCF 2016 agenda and used his Sportsound platform to pedal blatant lies. He is no friend of Hibs and I may be wrong but I'm told he is a full blown hun. Ross usually brushes of the questioning of interviewers whose whole agenda is to generate a sensationalist headline. On this occasion he bit. He shouldn't have but I quite enjoyed him tearing into this clown.

[Jones28]

Seems to me that you have to be as angry and as hysterical as possible after a defeat nowadays on social media platforms. Demanding heads of managers and players. Thought it was just a Hibs thing to start with but Liverpool fans are at it with Klopp too. I'll never get my head around it. No perspective whatsoever.

:agree:

[Keith_M]

I wish we had a manager called 'Dicks'....

[Jones28]

I wish we had a manager called 'Dicks'....

Or a Russian guy called Tststs

[Just_Jimmy]

What a complete load of rubbish. He has us battling Aberdeen and Celtic for Europe. If we crash out of a European place then we do have cause for concern, but until that day comes people need to calm down.

P.S. two semi finals is better than any other team in Scotland has managed past six months. Two bitterly disappointing results but perspective needed.tosh. 4th in a tin pot league isn't an achievement. Aberdeen will stroll to third cos we'll fall away as we always do.

semi finals aren't an achievement either. especially when you lose one to your rivals who are a league below you and the in the other get pumped for a team that until then had struggled all year for goals.

winning trophies is an achievement. if st Johnstone or Livvy win the cup will have a better season than us, regardless of where they finish in the league compared to us.

I'd finish 10th every year if we won a trophy.

where did we finish in 2004? all we remember is ****ing up the final.

where did we finish in 2007? all I remember is winning the league cup.

where did we finish in 2012 and 2013? I remember bottling one and losing another.

2016 - best season ever, bar none. I couldn't give a toss about not getting promotion.

Hibs massively underachieve. regardless on my thoughts on 4th place, that's also true in finishing 3rd compared to similar sized clubs.

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[calumhibee1]

Seems to me that you have to be as angry and as hysterical as possible after a defeat nowadays on social media platforms. Demanding heads of managers and players. Thought it was just a Hibs thing to start with but Liverpool fans are at it with Klopp too. I'll never get my head around it. No perspective whatsoever.

Of course you know that the reaction isn’t off the back of ‘a’ defeat though.

It’s off the back of 5 absolutely atrocious performances and/or results in the space of 3 months.

[Bangkok Hibby]

Don’t understand why you asked when people started supporting Hibs and asking whether they know about the history of the club? Surely if anything that’s pretty much saying “don’t call for manager to be sacked because we’re normally failing so give the guy a break” or else I suppose it’s a dig at them being Hibs fans or at the very least questioning whether they are knowledgeable Hibs fans...

New breed of Hibs fan as well...pretty sure like every single club in the world our fans are pretty much normal. Mocking and less knowledgeable? You’ve said they are a new breed and questioned when they started supporting Hibs and how much they know about Hibs history.

I’m not that young now but if I was I’d find it difficult to get on to supporting Hibs as I think we are encouraged to remember we are serial failures to justify current failures. I even remember that when I was growing up “Get used to it, that’s Hibs”. People say they don’t accept mediocrity but tbh if you support Hibs you do, especially the younger you are. Passed down by generations “Typical Hibs”.

We just have varying levels of acceptance.

As an old guy I enjoyed reading your post. Never seen it vocalised that way before. You are correct we ARE used to Hibs failings.
Tell me though what the younger and angrier fans can actually do about it?

[blackpoolhibs]

As an old guy I enjoyed reading your post? Never seen it vocalised that way before. You are correct we ARE used to Hibs failings.
Tell me though what the younger and angrier fans can actually do about it?

They can spit their dummy out on every thread here for a start, then they can not accept the result.

I think that works for them. :greengrin

[stantonhibby]

Don’t understand why you asked when people started supporting Hibs and asking whether they know about the history of the club? Surely if anything that’s pretty much saying “don’t call for manager to be sacked because we’re normally failing so give the guy a break” or else I suppose it’s a dig at them being Hibs fans or at the very least questioning whether they are knowledgeable Hibs fans...

New breed of Hibs fan as well...pretty sure like every single club in the world our fans are pretty much normal. Mocking and less knowledgeable? You’ve said they are a new breed and questioned when they started supporting Hibs and how much they know about Hibs history.

I’m not that young now but if I was I’d find it difficult to get on to supporting Hibs as I think we are encouraged to remember we are serial failures to justify current failures. I even remember that when I was growing up “Get used to it, that’s Hibs”. People say they don’t accept mediocrity but tbh if you support Hibs you do, especially the younger you are. Passed down by generations “Typical Hibs”.

We just have varying levels of acceptance.

So other than posting on here about how pish we are what is it you are doing differently from those of us who apparently 'accept mediocrity'. What do you suggest we all do?

[ballengeich]

Or a Russian guy called Tststs
Arthur Cox would have been another candidate.

[ballengeich]

We have reason to be gutted about both semi’s but I’m not quite getting how the manager ‘bottled it’?
I'm not even getting what the phrase means.

[The Count]

As i have said before i support Ross but i sometimes wonder if he tries to be too smart with his formation/tactics.For example the last two semis were made up of players coming back from injury or just signed and a team/ formation that was different.Now i am just a fan and no football expert so its just an uneducated football observation.

[Keith_M]

So other than posting on here about how pish we are what is it you are doing differently from those of us who apparently 'accept mediocrity'. What do you suggest we all do?


Vote to sack the manager in an online poll that no one at Hibs will pay any attention to.

Write a strongly worded letter to Ron Gordon that current results are not acceptable.

Change your DotNet 'Location' to say 'Not a happy chappy'.

Send back your Season Ticket, that you can't use anyway, as a symbolic gesture.

Create the 37th 'Jack Ross' thread on DotNet.

[Since452]

If we weren't in the middle of a pandemic would people be protesting outside the west stand Fenlon style? Seems like some people are at that stage. Do people genuinely want Ross out or are they just venting on social media?

[Wheat Hound]

If we weren't in the middle of a pandemic would people be protesting outside the west stand Fenlon style? Seems like some people are at that stage. Do people genuinely want Ross out or are they just venting on social media?

I think a lot of people, myself included, are venting more on social media due to the lack of other outlets presently.

I have calmed after Saturday and, as I've said elsewhere, Ross and the team will have my full support and I hope Ross goes onto be successful with us.

[Jones28]

As i have said before i support Ross but i sometimes wonder if he tries to be too smart with his formation/tactics.For example the last two semis were made up of players coming back from injury or just signed and a team/ formation that was different.Now i am just a fan and no football expert so its just an uneducated football observation.

I think he can be guilty of over thinking it :agree:

Sometimes its just a bit like let them off the leash etc.

I remember NL getting plaudits when we beat Celtic at ER for his risk vs reward strategy of giving the players freedom to go and express themselves, I wish JR would be a wee bit bolder. That must be caveated with Lennon having the best midfield in Scotland at his disposal at the time.

[Andy74]

I'm not even getting what the phrase means.

I’m assuming if Murphy had scored the manager would have had a little more bottle. Just like Nisbet’s penalty.

Logan, Stokes and Gray helped Stubbs with his bottle for example after he lost his in the Ross County and Falkirk games.

I think that’s how it works.

[SlickShoes]

tosh. 4th in a tin pot league isn't an achievement. Aberdeen will stroll to third cos we'll fall away as we always do.

semi finals aren't an achievement either. especially when you lose one to your rivals who are a league below you and the in the other get pumped for a team that until then had struggled all year for goals.

winning trophies is an achievement. if st Johnstone or Livvy win the cup will have a better season than us, regardless of where they finish in the league compared to us.

I'd finish 10th every year if we won a trophy.

where did we finish in 2004? all we remember is ****ing up the final.

where did we finish in 2007? all I remember is winning the league cup.

where did we finish in 2012 and 2013? I remember bottling one and losing another.

2016 - best season ever, bar none. I couldn't give a toss about not getting promotion.

Hibs massively underachieve. regardless on my thoughts on 4th place, that's also true in finishing 3rd compared to similar sized clubs.

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When has the league not been "tin pot"? Was last season a non "tin pot" league? when hearts were a joke and rangers were chucking away games?

Last season when we were basically rescued from relegation by our current manager.

Winning cups can't be everything because we rarely ever do it, sure it would be great to win them more often but there is a reason that teams outwith the old firm don't consistently win them, because it's very difficult. Even Rangers will their multi million pound wage bill haven't won a thing for years, do you think they don't want to win either?

[mcfly]

I get it that there are people on here who support the manager and think that as we are 4th and been to 2 semi finials we are having a good season.

Personally I disagree that he’s the right manager and my reasons are we don’t compete with the better teams, when did we last win a game against a top team?

We don’t turn up in the big games, he doesn’t know his best team. We are overloaded in midfielders and have no back up in defence or attack so things can be changed.

If we finish 4th then great but the big question is will people pay over £400 again next year to watch jack Ross football? I think a lot of season ticket holders won’t.

Thus is only my opinion so let’s have no personal digs please.

[Chorley Hibee]

When has the league not been "tin pot"? Was last season a non "tin pot" league? when hearts were a joke and rangers were chucking away games?

Last season when we were basically rescued from relegation by our current manager.

Winning cups can't be everything because we rarely ever do it, sure it would be great to win them more often but there is a reason that teams outwith the old firm don't consistently win them, because it's very difficult. Even Rangers will their multi million pound wage bill haven't won a thing for years, do you think they don't want to win either?

"Rescued from relegation" is just a slight exaggeration of where we were.

Heckingbottom was sacked on the 4th November and we weren't even in the relegation zone at that point.

There was two thirds of the season left to play.

[Peevemor]

"Rescued from relegation" is just a slight exaggeration of where we were.

Heckingbottom was sacked on the 4th November and we weren't even in the relegation zone at that point.

There was two thirds of the season left to play.

Pat Fenlon left on November 1st and we weren't in the relegation zone then either.

[Chorley Hibee]

Pat Fenlon left on November 1st and we weren't in the relegation zone then either.

Yes, but it's completely irrelevant, not every change of manager is necessarily going to follow the Butcher trajectory.

The idea Ross saved us from relegation is just silly.

[Since452]

Is it only a tin pot league because we're 4th? Dundee United are a better side than Hearts so I'd say it was a stronger league than last season

[Jones28]

tosh. 4th in a tin pot league isn't an achievement. Aberdeen will stroll to third cos we'll fall away as we always do.

semi finals aren't an achievement either. especially when you lose one to your rivals who are a league below you and the in the other get pumped for a team that until then had struggled all year for goals.

winning trophies is an achievement. if st Johnstone or Livvy win the cup will have a better season than us, regardless of where they finish in the league compared to us.

I'd finish 10th every year if we won a trophy.

where did we finish in 2004? all we remember is ****ing up the final.

where did we finish in 2007? all I remember is winning the league cup.

where did we finish in 2012 and 2013? I remember bottling one and losing another.

2016 - best season ever, bar none. I couldn't give a toss about not getting promotion.

Hibs massively underachieve. regardless on my thoughts on 4th place, that's also true in finishing 3rd compared to similar sized clubs.

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So would I.

Doesny work like that though does it?

[Andy74]

Yes, but it's completely irrelevant, not every change of manager is necessarily going to follow the Butcher trajectory.

The idea Ross saved us from relegation is just silly.

It’s not really. There was a real danger we’d have been in a relegation fight if we hadn’t improved pretty quickly.

[Jones28]

Yes, but it's completely irrelevant, not every change of manager is necessarily going to follow the Butcher trajectory.

The idea Ross saved us from relegation is just silly.

How is it silly?

We were 10th when Ross took over in November 2019, with 9 points from a possible 33 - just over a third of the season played. At that rate we'd be on track for 30 or so points.

[Peevemor]

Yes, but it's completely irrelevant, not every change of manager is necessarily going to follow the Butcher trajectory.

The idea Ross saved us from relegation is just silly.

What's completely irrelevant is you citing our league position in November.

And what's just silly the idea that you can predict how the remaining results would have gone.

[Keith_M]

I think he can be guilty of over thinking it :agree:

Sometimes its just a bit like let them off the leash etc.

....


I tend to agree with that.

When Hecky left, Eddie May was put in charge for the game against St Johnstone. I understand his prematch team-talk was along the lines of 'go out and enjoy yourselves'. We totally annihilated them in a very entertaining game.

Obviously it's not going to happen like that every time but I tend to think that football generally has become a little too tactical, maybe even inhibiting.

[CentreLine]

Vote to sack the manager in an online poll that no one at Hibs will pay any attention to.

Write a strongly worded letter to Ron Gordon that current results are not acceptable.

Change your DotNet 'Location' to say 'Not a happy chappy'.

Send back your Season Ticket, that you can't use anyway, as a symbolic gesture.

Create the 37th 'Jack Ross' thread on DotNet.

An online vote that currently shows a clear majority support the manager.

I went on the Daily Record site today (yes I know) to try and catch the transfer article about Porteous and Doig but got sidetracked to read an article on the existence of Trump supporting “Proud Boys” in Scotland. It seems one of their principals is that people should boycott football because of the “taking the knee” thing. Seems just as pointless as a vote on sacking, or otherwise, a manger right now. 😆

[Since452]

How is it silly?

We were 10th when Ross took over in November 2019, with 9 points from a possible 33 - just over a third of the season played. At that rate we'd be on track for 30 or so points.

Did they not dub the derby with Hearts before Hecky was sacked "the relegation derby"?

[calumhibee1]

I tend to agree with that.

When Hecky left, Eddie May was put in charge for the game against St Johnstone. I understand his prematch team-talk was along the lines of 'go out and enjoy yourselves'. We totally annihilated them in a very entertaining game.

Obviously it's not going to happen like that every time but I tend to think that football generally has become a little too tactical, maybe even inhibiting.

:agree:

You just have to look at half the young players we’ve brought through. Coached to within an inch of their lives.

No surprises that JC who was playing boys club football at about 16 came in, was an absolute maverick who would try things that seemed like they were never on and got the fans off their seats because of it. Give me that over attacking players who are trained to get the ball and pass it back or sideways any day of the week.

[Chorley Hibee]

Jack Ross saved us from relegation.....really?

I don't want to see any of his defenders castigate his critics for using spurious arguments if that's now being used towards his defence.

[Peevemor]

Jack Ross saved us from relegation.....really?

I don't want to see any of his defenders castigate his critics for using spurious arguments if that's now being used towards his defence.

TBH I don't think we would have been relegated had Heckingbottom stayed on, but I'm not 100% certain either and there's no doubt that results improved immediately after he left.

[Chorley Hibee]

What's completely irrelevant is you citing our league position in November.

And what's just silly the idea that you can predict how the remaining results would have gone.

If Ross "rescued us from relegation" then the least I would have expected to see would us to have been in the relegation zone at the time of his arrival.

The fact is we weren't, so the idea he rescued us from relegation is nonsense - unless you can predict how results would've continued for the rest of the season with Heckingbottom?

You've just said yourself that such an idea would be silly.

[Gordy M]

If Ross "rescued us from relegation" then the least I would have expected to see would us to have been in the relegation zone at the time of his arrival.

The fact is we weren't, so the idea he rescued us from relegation is nonsense - unless you can predict how results would've continued for the rest of the season with Heckingbottom?

You've just said yourself that such an idea would be silly.

Whilst i agree with you, were Hearts not on the same points when Ross came to us.....where did they end up?

[Chorley Hibee]

Whilst i agree with you, were Hearts not on the same points when Ross came to us.....where did they end up?

Yes, but it's the idea that we were rescued from relegation when we'd played 11 games, were 9th in the table, there were 27 games to play and we were only 9 points off 3rd place.

Hearts employing an incompetent drunk doesn't change that.

[Chorley Hibee]

TBH I don't think we would have been relegated had Heckingbottom stayed on, but I'm not 100% certain either and there's no doubt that results improved immediately after he left.

They did improve initially - they were also deteriorating just as quick when the season was curtailed.

[Peevemor]

If Ross "rescued us from relegation" then the least I would have expected to see would us to have been in the relegation zone at the time of his arrival.

The fact is we weren't, so the idea he rescued us from relegation is nonsense - unless you can predict how results would've continued for the rest of the season with Heckingbottom?

You've just said yourself that such an idea would be silly.

Hamilton, currently bottom of the SPL are on 19 points from 23 matches - an average of 0.826pts/match


When last season was stopped after 30 matches, Hearts average was 0.767 with Hamilton 2nd last on 0.900


Our league results for last season under Heckingbottom were W1 D6 L4, that's 9 points from 11 matches or 0.818pts/match on average.


Do you still think suggesting we might have been relegated is "silly"?

[madhatter]

So other than posting on here about how pish we are what is it you are doing differently from those of us who apparently 'accept mediocrity'. What do you suggest we all do?

Did I actually say there were people that ‘accept mediocrity’? At best I maybe suggested we have different responses to the situations the club go through. I suspect some of that is in part to age and what we’ve witnessed with our own eyes. I’d suggest someone who has witnessed more failure may become more acclimatised to it and we’re all on a spectrum from “Come on Hibs” to “Same old Hibs”.

I mean, people have a go at perceived “negative” people on here. I genuinely think it’s pretty mundane on here in the large part and large social platforms highlight the more extreme elements.

Again, I’m not saying people ‘accept mediocrity’ but I can guarantee Hibs fans become increasingly accustomed to mediocrity and grand failures (from the clutches of success) as they grow older. I’ve seen that myself, I’ve went from thinking we can get Europe most years to thinking we’re just a bit meh. How can you not when you watch teams with Sauzee and Latapy etc.?

[Since452]

Of course we could have been relegated under Hecky. Sure we were only a few points off Hearts who were related when he was sacked. We'd only won on the opening day. The transformation under Ross has been nothing short of incredible.

[bingo70]

Hamilton, currently bottom of the SPL are on 19 points from 23 matches - an average of 0.826pts/match


When last season was stopped after 30 matches, Hearts average was 0.767 with Hamilton 2nd last on 0.900


Our league results for last season under Heckingbottom were W1 D6 L4, that's 9 points from 11 matches or 0.818pts/match on average.


Do you still think suggesting we might have been relegated is "silly"?

Yes, there were 2 teams worse than us when Heckingbottom got sacked. Doesn’t matter what the points per game average worse as there were 2 with worse.

I don’t think anybody is saying we wouldn’t have got into a relegation scrap and we may have ended up being relegated. The suggestion that Ross saved us from relegation is over egging it a bit.

I thought Ross did a good job last season, IMO saying he saved us from relegation implies that had he not come in then it was a certainty we’d have gone down.

[Chorley Hibee]

Hamilton, currently bottom of the SPL are on 19 points from 23 matches - an average of 0.826pts/match


When last season was stopped after 30 matches, Hearts average was 0.767 with Hamilton 2nd last on 0.900


Our league results for last season under Heckingbottom were W1 D6 L4, that's 9 points from 11 matches or 0.818pts/match on average.


Do you still think suggesting we might have been relegated is "silly"?

The post in question didn't say anything about "might", it said he rescued us from relegation.

You're arguing a point that you said was silly to me only a few posts ago. You're guessing how the season would have panned out based upon our points haul over our first 11 games.

Were we in a bad place? Yes, I wouldn't argue that. Would I agree that Jack Ross saved us from relegation? Absolutely not.

[flash]

Some incredible verbal gymnastics on display here to avoid giving Jack Ross any credit whatsoever for turning last season around.

[Chorley Hibee]

Also, we were actually 8th when Jack Ross took charge of his 1st game - our 4-1 win at St Johnstone had moved us there.

Jack Ross had us finish 7th (with a further 8 games left to play) so hardly the success it's painted by some.

[Peevemor]

The post in question didn't say anything about "might", it said he rescued us from relegation.

You're arguing a point that you said was silly to me only a few posts ago. You're guessing how the season would have panned out based upon our points haul over our first 11 games.

Were we in a bad place? Yes, I wouldn't argue that. Would I agree that Jack Ross saved us from relegation? Absolutely not.

Your own words

"If Ross "rescued us from relegation" then the least I would have expected to see would us to have been in the relegation zone at the time of his arrival.

The fact is we weren't, so the idea he rescued us from relegation is nonsense - unless you can predict how results would've continued for the rest of the season with Heckingbottom?

You've just said yourself that such an idea would be silly."

We may not have been in the relegation zone but we'd gone 10 matches without a win - losing 4 and drawing 6. That's relegation form.

As I said, I don't think we would have been relegated, however you're unwilling to accept that it was a possibility.

Spot the difference?

You should really keep a more open mind when debating if you want to remain credible.

[Andy74]

Some incredible verbal gymnastics on display here to avoid giving Jack Ross any credit whatsoever for turning last season around.

Yep, we were 2 points off the play off spot and had hardly won a game.

Yet folk seem certain that the 8 points to Livingston is nothing...

[Chorley Hibee]

You should really keep a more open mind when debating if you want to remain credible.

Pot, Kettle, Black.

You obviously didn't read the very part I agreed with you that we were in a bad place?

[Peevemor]

Pot, Kettle, Black.

You obviously didn't read the very part I agreed with you that we were in a bad place?

Are you still insisting that we definitely wouldn't have been relegated?

[Chorley Hibee]

Yep, we were 2 points off the play off spot and had hardly won a game.

Yet folk seem certain that the 8 points to Livingston is nothing...

He got a few good results initially, a great win at Tynecastle too, but outside that it was pretty average.

Capitulations at Livingston, Hearts at ER, and Aberdeen away to name but a few.

His record was W7 D4 L7 which is hardly much to write home about. Form was actually poor when season was curtailed also.

[Chorley Hibee]

Are you still insisting that we definitely wouldn't have been relegated?

You'd need to find the post where I said we definitely wouldn't have been relegated first.

[Peevemor]

You'd need to find the post where I said we definitely wouldn't have been relegated first.



The idea Ross saved us from relegation is just silly.


Were we in a bad place? Yes, I wouldn't argue that. Would I agree that Jack Ross saved us from relegation? Absolutely not.

Suggests to me that for you relegation was an impossibility.


And I missed this gem


His record was W7 D4 L7 which is hardly much to write home about. Form was actually poor when season was curtailed also.

Yeah, almost exactly the same as Heckingbottom's W1 D6 L4.

[Stanton Spence]

This thread is exactly why I stay away from here for a few days after a defeat. "the worst team in hibs history" [emoji23] obviously not been hibby long and didn't live through the 80s

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[Chorley Hibee]

Suggests to me that for you relegation was an impossibility.


And I missed this gem



Yeah, almost exactly the same as Heckingbottom's W1 D6 L4.

Your own quote:

"TBH, I don't think we would have been relegated"

So you're being an insufferable bore because we actually have the same opinion?

Of course it wasn't an impossibility, just as it wasn't an impossibility everything eventually turned around and we went on to finish 3rd/4th. My opinion is neither of those things would have happened and we'd have likely finished in a position similar to where we did.

I also said Ross' record last season was average, didn't mention it in comparison to the 11 games under Heckingbottom. If you think losing as many as we win is anything better than average then we'll just need to agree to disagree.

[The Modfather]

We should create a debating sub forum. The admins can then create topics and assign folk to a side to begin debating. Would be a big hit I suspect for some posters.

[Peevemor]

Your own quote:

"TBH, I don't think we would have been relegated"

So you're being an insufferable bore because we actually have the same opinion?

Of course it wasn't an impossibility, just as it wasn't an impossibility everything eventually turned around and we went on to finish 3rd/4th. My opinion is neither of those things would have happened and we'd have likely finished in a position similar to where we did.

I also said Ross' record last season was average, didn't mention it in comparison to the 11 games under Heckingbottom. If you think losing as many as we win is anything better than average then we'll just need to agree to disagree.

Insufferable bore? Excellent!

What if I make 50 posts per day saying how bad JR & Hibs are, would that suit you better? I don't see you criticising those people.

And you've highlighted the difference between us - I can differentiate between my opinion and fact. You were posting absolutes based on your opinion, which simply doesn't work.

[Jones28]

We should create a debating sub forum. The admins can then create topics and assign folk to a side to begin debating. Would be a big hit I suspect for some posters.

But you can only partake if you pick a side and stick with it, even if the evidence is slapping you in the face with a wet haddock.

[Chorley Hibee]

Insufferable bore? Excellent!

What if I make 50 posts per day saying how bad JR & Hibs are, would that suit you better? I don't see you criticising those people.

And you've highlighted the difference between us - I can differentiate between my opinion and fact. You were posting absolutes based on your opinion, which simply doesn't work.

So based upon that very argument you'd surely agree that the "Jack Ross saved us from relegation" quote is open to the same scrutiny you've deemed my opinions worthy of?

The only 'facts' you've presented actually back up my belief that Hibs wouldn't have been relegated, as there were teams averaging less points than Hibs were.

Using that as guide to the season after 11 games doesn't hold much weight as 'facts' either.

[Peevemor]

So based upon that very argument you'd surely agree that the "Jack Ross saved us from relegation" quote is open to the same scrutiny you've deemed my opinions worthy of?

Jack Ross may well have saved us from relegation. I don't know for sure and neither do you.


The only 'facts' you've presented actually back up my belief that Hibs wouldn't have been relegated, as there were teams averaging less points than Hibs were.

I presented my opinion and was questioning how you could be so definite.


Using that as guide to the season after 11 games doesn't hold much weight as 'facts' either.

The results were facts as were the points per game averages that I used as examples. I was simply illustrating how things could have gone. Maybe that doesn't hold much weight for you - that's up to you.

[Callum_62]

Some incredible verbal gymnastics on display here to avoid giving Jack Ross any credit whatsoever for turning last season around.Especially on one hand claiming Livi will definately overtake us and on the other saying we can't use what we had done last year up until Hecky was punted as an indication of future performance



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[hibbysam]

He got a few good results initially, a great win at Tynecastle too, but outside that it was pretty average.

Capitulations at Livingston, Hearts at ER, and Aberdeen away to name but a few.

His record was W7 D4 L7 which is hardly much to write home about. Form was actually poor when season was curtailed also.

Aberdeen away is surely a bit harsh, hardly his fault Whittaker got a daft sending off when we were playing fairly well.

[Chorley Hibee]

Jack Ross may well have saved us from relegation. I don't know for sure and neither do you.



I presented my opinion and was questioning how you could be so definite.



The results were facts as were the points per game averages that I used as examples. I was simply illustrating how things could have gone. Maybe that doesn't hold much weight for you - that's up to you.

Yet you never took umbrage at the poster and his opinion upon Ross saving us from relegation, or dissected his opinion in such a vigorous manner as you did my own.

Funny that.

[Chorley Hibee]

Aberdeen away is surely a bit harsh, hardly his fault Whittaker got a daft sending off when we were playing fairly well.

Perhaps, but we we shambolic after the sending off, ten men or not.

I could easily replace it with the shambles against Ramgers at ER then.

[blackpoolhibs]

Perhaps, but we we shambolic after the sending off, ten men or not.

I could easily replace it with the shambles against Ramgers at ER then.

Every game we lose these days is a shambles, we never lose a game where we have been unlucky to lose, its either a shambles or we were lucky to get a win.

These are the rules now.

[Peevemor]

Yet you never took umbrage at the poster and his opinion upon Ross saving us from relegation, or dissected his opinion in such a vigorous manner as you did my own.

Funny that.

There are lot's of things said on here that I don't necessarily agree with but I don't post to contradict or question.

You posted something about Heckingbottom leaving in November. I posted that Fenlon also left in November. You said this was irrelevant. It wasn't me taking umbrage - it was you that dismissed my point.

[Chorley Hibee]

Especially on one hand claiming Livi will definately overtake us and on the other saying we can't use what we had done last year up until Hecky was punted as an indication of future performance



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Who claimed Livi would definitely overtake us?

[Peevemor]

Every game we lose these days is a shambles, we never lose a game where we have been unlucky to lose, its either a shambles or we were lucky to get a win.

These are the rules now.

And every goal we lose there's someone at fault - it can't just be a good goal.

[Chorley Hibee]

There are lot's of things said on here that I don't necessarily agree with but I don't post to contradict or question.

You posted something about Heckingbottom leaving in November. I posted that Fenlon also left in November. You said this was irrelevant. It wasn't me taking umbrage - it was you that dismissed my point.

OK, fair point.

Apologies for the "insufferable bore" comment earlier too. It's a title made for me according to my wife.

[Peevemor]

OK, fair point.

Apologies for the "insufferable bore" comment earlier too. It's a title made for me according to my wife.

No probs. :aok:

[Chorley Hibee]

Every game we lose these days is a shambles, we never lose a game where we have been unlucky to lose, its either a shambles or we were lucky to get a win.

These are the rules now.

For the last 35 minutes at Pittodrie, and much of the game against Rangers at ER, I'd say using the word shambles/shambolic was a fitting assessment.

Others might disagree.

[B.H.F.C]

Every game we lose these days is a shambles, we never lose a game where we have been unlucky to lose, its either a shambles or we were lucky to get a win.

These are the rules now.

I don’t think that’s true to be honest. Look at the recent defeats. St Johnstone, Livi and Ross County were all dreadful performances. There wasn’t anything unlucky about them. The one before that at Ibrox, I think 90% of folk would have agreed we played well and were unlucky not to take something from the game.

I think we’re one extreme to the other. Most of the games we’ve won, we’ve generally deserved to win. But when things go against us in games, like losing the first goal, we have no idea how to handle it.

[blackpoolhibs]

I don’t think that’s true to be honest. Look at the recent defeats. St Johnstone, Livi and Ross County were all dreadful performances.

Yes, described as shambolic, horrific, gutless, you name it.

There wasn’t anything unlucky about them. The one before that at Ibrox, I think 90% of folk would have agreed we played well and were unlucky not to take something from the game.

Agreed.

I think we’re one extreme to the other. Most of the games we’ve won, we’ve generally deserved to win. But when things go against us in games, like losing the first goal, we have no idea how to handle it.

Dundee Utd, 1-1 with a last minute equaliser, have a look at that thread on how shambolic our finishing was, then the goal we lost completely negated the good performance we actually had.

There is always someone to blame when we lose these days, and when we win its only to be expected, yet when we lose i do find it strange that folk still find it so unexpected. :greengrin

[B.H.F.C]

Dundee Utd, 1-1 with a last minute equaliser, have a look at that thread on how shambolic our finishing was, then the goal we lost completely negated the good performance we actually had.

There is always someone to blame when we lose these days, and when we win its only to be expected, yet when we lose i do find it strange that folk still find it so unexpected. :greengrin

Criticism of our finishing in that Dundee Utd game was surely fair though. The 90th minute goal should have been irrelevance. Without looking, I’m sure the threads from the two weeks previous (when we won 3-0 and 4-0) wouldn’t just have been full of folk saying we were lucky or it was to be expected. Generally, I think most folk just call it as they see it (some obvious exceptions at opposite ends of the scale).

[G B Young]

Haven't answered the poll because I honestly don't know what the best option is.

After losing to Ross County before new year I was quick to defend him as I was confident that based on his results since taking charge it was a blip we would soon ovecome. However, the embarrassing home defeat to Livi really shocked me and the two league results after that were clearly just papering over some widening cracks which were completely exposed in the second half at Hampden.

No question it's deeply concerning, but on paper we appear to have a squad as good or better than most and I can't find much fault with any of his signings, so do we really think bringing in yet another manager is the solution?

On balance I'd say we stick with him but no question he's going to have to go some to persuade the bulk of the fans that keeping faith with him is the correct course of action. November's defeat to Hearts was hard to stomach, largely due to who the opposition were, but it was a game I felt we were a bit unlucky not to win and I'd managed to move on from it. Last Saturday though was a disgrace I find harder to forgive.

[Ronniekirk]

He is going no where He needs to get rest of season and probably another window unless we go into complete meltdown which I don’t expect
Move another few players in and another signing or two Then he needs to show he can get players playing to their potential and in a formation that gets best from the players


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[GreenNWhiteArmy]

Haven't answered the poll because I honestly don't know what the best option is.

After losing to Ross County before new year I was quick to defend him as I was confident that based on his results since taking charge it was a blip we would soon ovecome. However, the embarrassing home defeat to Livi really shocked me and the two league results after that were clearly just papering over some widening cracks which were completely exposed in the second half at Hampden.

No question it's deeply concerning, but on paper we appear to have a squad as good or better than most and I can't find much fault with any of his signings, so do we really think bringing in yet another manager is the solution?

On balance I'd say we stick with him but no question he's going to have to go some to persuade the bulk of the fans that keeping faith with him is the correct course of action. November's defeat to Hearts was hard to stomach, largely due to who the opposition were, but it was a game I felt we were a bit unlucky not to win and I'd managed to move on from it. Last Saturday though was a disgrace I find harder to forgive.

This is where i'm at - probably content with regime to remain in place until the split - if we've regressed then go for (tin hat firmly on) KEVIN THOMSON and give him the split fixtures to et to know squad

[wookie70]

Criticism of our finishing in that Dundee Utd game was surely fair though. The 90th minute goal should have been irrelevance. Without looking, I’m sure the threads from the two weeks previous (when we won 3-0 and 4-0) wouldn’t just have been full of folk saying we were lucky or it was to be expected. Generally, I think most folk just call it as they see it (some obvious exceptions at opposite ends of the scale).

There were a few, me included, that were very critical of the finishing and of Doidge's finishing in particular. Not seen much of Doidge since then so Ross obviously made a change based on what many were seeing.

[AgentDaleCooper]

This is where i'm at - probably content with regime to remain in place until the split - if we've regressed then go for (tin hat firmly on) KEVIN THOMSON and give him the split fixtures to et to know squad

Lol

[Jones28]

This is where i'm at - probably content with regime to remain in place until the split - if we've regressed then go for (tin hat firmly on) KEVIN THOMSON and give him the split fixtures to et to know squad

Why is Kevin Thomson walking in to one of the biggest jobs on Scottish Football?

[hibbysam]

Why is Kevin Thomson walking in to one of the biggest jobs on Scottish Football?

More chance of that than Scott Brown to be fair and far more experienced (not that it should happen either, but think Thommo with his footballing brain will go on to be a top coach).

[Jones28]

More chance of that than Scott Brown to be fair and far more experienced (not that it should happen either, but think Thommo with his footballing brain will go on to be a top coach).

I agree with what you're saying, but the only thing qualifying either of those two is the Hibs connection at this point in time.

10 years time? Maybe, but as replacement for Ross? Pfffft

[blackpoolhibs]

Criticism of our finishing in that Dundee Utd game was surely fair though. The 90th minute goal should have been irrelevance. Without looking, I’m sure the threads from the two weeks previous (when we won 3-0 and 4-0) wouldn’t just have been full of folk saying we were lucky or it was to be expected. Generally, I think most folk just call it as they see it (some obvious exceptions at opposite ends of the scale).

Not really, we had chances, their keeper played like 2 keepers that day. We did not miss those chances on purpose, it was not scandalous we missed them, it was just a keeper playing out of his skin.

Of course that's never taken into account, we need to describe anything bad as horrendous, scandalous, a nightmare and anything good as expected.

Things are never as good as we think, just as they are never as bad too.

[SteveHFC]

https://twitter.com/louis1875zz/status/1354097947693228033?s=20

[Jones28]

https://twitter.com/louis1875zz/status/1354097947693228033?s=20






It doesn't much for me to look at Twitter and feel fortunate I haven't signed up to it.

[GreenNWhiteArmy]

Why is Kevin Thomson walking in to one of the biggest jobs on Scottish Football?

He's at the same stage of his coaching development as Alan Stubbs was when he took over!?

I'm not saying it will or should. I want JR to succeed but if he goes he should be given consideration imo

[Peevemor]

https://twitter.com/louis1875zz/status/1354097947693228033?s=20



He's posted the same on Facebook (Hibs Page). I can’t stand people who will find fault in anything and everything, even to the point of inventing stuff to moan about. They're exactly the type of people who would hang around with the hard man thicko at school and agree with everything he says just to be part of the gang. Idiots every single one of them.

[JimBHibees]

He's at the same stage of his coaching development as Alan Stubbs was when he took over!?

I'm not saying it will or should. I want JR to succeed but if he goes he should be given consideration imo

What age group is Thomson coaching?

[hibbysam]

What age group is Thomson coaching?

He takes their B team, so essentially reserves manager.

[Allez Hibs]

https://twitter.com/louis1875zz/status/1354097947693228033?s=20

We should be happy getting to Semi Finals. Straight from the horses mouth.

[Peevemor]

https://twitter.com/louis1875zz/status/1354097947693228033?s=20

We should be happy getting to Semi Finals. Straight from the horses mouth.Shouldn't we be? Moaning for moaning's sake.

[hibbysam]

https://twitter.com/louis1875zz/status/1354097947693228033?s=20

We should be happy getting to Semi Finals. Straight from the horses mouth.

Even though that’s not what he says.

[Brightside]

https://twitter.com/louis1875zz/status/1354097947693228033?s=20

We should be happy getting to Semi Finals. Straight from the horses mouth.

If you are that daft Twitter laddie then it all makes sense.

[Allez Hibs]

If you are that daft Twitter laddie then it all makes sense.

Behave.

[Allez Hibs]

Even though that’s not what he says.

Not verbatim but its clear he is implying it.

[Peevemor]

Not verbatim but its clear he is implying it.So what? Is there anything he can say without some people moaning?

[hibbysam]

Not verbatim but its clear he is implying it.

While saying we have every right to be angry and frustrated and he wants us to go further in competitions and win things, I think it couldn’t be any further from the truth. He’s essentially saying we could’ve been pumped out by ***** early on, but we need to be doing better once we get there.

[EI255]

Let's just hope that the whole thing doesn't decend into a Fenlon, Butcher or Calderwood shambles.

It's certainly steaming towards it...

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[Allez Hibs]

Realistically and based on the duration of previous managers, he will get this season and the start of next, if its a poor start next season he will likely be gone.

Only the good managers for us get more than 1 full season.

Saturday was a massive blow for the fans, such a dissapointment.

[JimBHibees]

Let's just hope that the whole thing doesn't decend into a Fenlon, Butcher or Calderwood shambles.

It's certainly steaming towards it...

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:faf:

[Stokesy's on fire]

Ron Gordon should have sacked that loser by now disgraceful stuff from the club.

[Callum_62]

Ron Gordon should have sacked that loser by now disgraceful stuff from the club.Disgraceful?

Chill oot.

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[CallumLaidlaw]

Well the witch-hunt is up and running in full force now eh. For a manager sitting 4th. It’s really is laughable.
Btw, we’ve finished top 4, six times in 40 years.


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[Stokesy's on fire]

Well the witch-hunt is up and running in full force now eh. For a manager sitting 4th. It’s really is laughable.
Btw, we’ve finished top 4, six times in 40 years.


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4th in the league and sitting behind a really poor team in the league whilst constantly losing the meaningful games. Not good enough.

[CallumLaidlaw]

4th in the league and sitting behind a really poor team in the league whilst constantly losing the meaningful games. Not good enough.

Not good enough based on what?


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[Since452]

Let's just hope that the whole thing doesn't decend into a Fenlon, Butcher or Calderwood shambles.

It's certainly steaming towards it...

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Behave

[mcohibs]

Well the witch-hunt is up and running in full force now eh. For a manager sitting 4th. It’s really is laughable.
Btw, we’ve finished top 4, six times in 40 years.


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While I understand the sentiment, we have had Hearts in the league for the majority of those 40 years which makes 4th more difficult. I honestly wouldn't see it as much of an achievement if we were to finish 4th this season

[CallumLaidlaw]

While I understand the sentiment, we have had Hearts in the league for the majority of those 40 years which makes 4th more difficult. I honestly wouldn't see it as much of an achievement if we were to finish 4th this season

Aberdeen, Motherwell and Dundee Utd have both finished top 4 more often than we have in the last 40 years.


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[Allez Hibs]

Not good enough based on what?


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Based on giving away a League Cup like that and not being able to beat a team above us in the league.

[Hibs90]

Well the witch-hunt is up and running in full force now eh. For a manager sitting 4th. It’s really is laughable.
Btw, we’ve finished top 4, six times in 40 years.


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We will never progress as a club if we continue to accept mediocrity like the above.

[Peevemor]

We will never progress as a club if we continue to accept mediocrity like the above.Here we go again!

Could you tell me how to not accept it please?

[bigwheel]

We will never progress as a club if we continue to accept mediocrity like the above.

Brilliant...superb funny post [emoji106]


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[Since452]

While I understand the sentiment, we have had Hearts in the league for the majority of those 40 years which makes 4th more difficult. I honestly wouldn't see it as much of an achievement if we were to finish 4th this season

Hearts are dug meat and have finished below us for years. Makes no difference not having them in the league.

[Callum_62]

Here we go again!

Could you tell me how to not accept it please?Just dinnae!

Weak mentality!

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[CallumLaidlaw]

We will never progress as a club if we continue to accept mediocrity like the above.

Accept mediocrity?!?! The buzz phrase at the minute it seems [emoji23][emoji23][emoji23]
No I just realise we finished 7th last season and finishing 4th this year is progress. Ross is still building his team. We’ve went with a smaller squad this year and finished well behind Motherwell last year.
It’s not accepting mediocrity because some aren’t throwing their toys out the pram like a spoilt child.
The cup games were awful. I was angry after both, but there’s a bigger picture. And we are never ever sacking a manager sitting 4th, so let’s just bloody get behind him.


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[Lancs Harp]

Anyway we're football fans and its Rangers tomorrow. Get hammered and the pressure ramps up, win and it a different landscape.

Which ever way that game goes will hold sway with opinion on this board, until the next time. Such is message board culture.

Lets give Rangers a bloody nose. Remember we are Hibs, we rule supreme (despite the league table and numerous defeats :) )

[Allez Hibs]

Lets flip this around on Jack Ross.

Why should Jack Ross be Hibernian manager? What has he achieved in his career to date as a manager? Whats his style of play? Whats his career achievement?

Got St Mirren Promoted - who cares.

Managed Sunderland for a bit in English 3rd tier and didnt get them promoted with by far the biggest budget in that league.

He is managing Hibs not some provincial ****** wee club, Hibs - massive in a Scottish Footbal context, massive.

[Brightside]

We will never progress as a club if we continue to accept mediocrity like the above.

Progress to where? 3rd? Jesus man grow up.

[Allez Hibs]

Hearts are dug meat and have finished below us for years. Makes no difference not having them in the league.

Apart from they continually beat and embarass us no matter how well we are doing

[mcohibs]

Aberdeen, Motherwell and Dundee Utd have both finished top 4 more often than we have in the last 40 years.


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Aberdeen is obvious. Dundee Utd were competing in Europe 40 years ago so so again not really surprising.

Should we accept 4th as a big achievement because historically it's been rare? Time to look forward. 4th for a club of our size and resource in a league without Hearts in it is not an achievement and if we continue to see it as one we will never be anything other than mediocre.

Btw I'm not in the sack Jack camp. Think he deserves more time. But I do empathise with those who want him gone. Wouldn't describe it as ridiculous or a 'witch hunt' by any stretch, just because we're sitting 4th

[Peevemor]

Lets flip this around on Jack Ross.

Why should Jack Ross be Hibernian manager? What has he achieved in his career to date as a manager? Whats his style of play? Whats his career achievement?

Got St Mirren Promoted - who cares.

Managed Sunderland for a bit in English 3rd tier and didnt get them promoted with by far the biggest budget in that league.

He is managing Hibs not some provincial ****** wee club, Hibs - massive in a Scottish Footbal context, massive.Who should be Hibs manager then?

Scott Brown?
Kevin Thomson ?
John Collins?

(just some of the brilliant suggestions we've seen over the past couple of days)

[Hibs90]

Progress to where? 3rd? Jesus man grow up.

Progress to two cup finals, beating Hearts at home on a regular basis, beating Aberdeen on a regular basis etc etc..


I'm perfectly grown up thanks. :aok:

[Callum_62]

Apart from they continually beat and embarass us no matter how well we are doingDidn't we go 10 or so games recently undefeated against them?

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[Callum_62]

Who should be Hibs manager then?

Scott Brown?
Kevin Thomson ?
John Collins?

(just some of the brilliant suggestions we've seen over the past couple of days)Wun hings

Wun hings

Cracking 6 pack

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[Since452]

Ok I'll bite. This witch hunt against Jack Ross is ****ing pathetic. Sitting 4th in the league in awful circumstances, a very unlucky season with injuries and still with a realistic chance of 3rd. Try giving the man a bit of ****ing support. Signing off for a bit.

[Allez Hibs]

Who should be Hibs manager then?

Scott Brown?
Kevin Thomson ?
John Collins?

(just some of the brilliant suggestions we've seen over the past couple of days)

Absolutely none of them and not Martindale thats for sure.

Collins has been out the game far too long now, 2006-7 John Collins - yes absolutely, not now.

[Peevemor]

Absolutely none of them and not Martindale thats for sure.

Collins has been out the game far too long now, 2006-7 John Collins - yes absolutely, not now.And to flip your question, what had Tony Mowbray, Alan Stubbs or even John Collins (2096 version) done to merit getting the Hibs job?

[madhatter]

Well the witch-hunt is up and running in full force now eh. For a manager sitting 4th. It’s really is laughable.
Btw, we’ve finished top 4, six times in 40 years.


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I understand where you are coming from with regards to tough times ahead for Jack Ross but can’t understand this argument about it being laughable.

You’re using a serial history of failure to highlight why we haven’t failed now...

My concern is actually next season. As has been highlighted do people generally get excited about top 4 finish? When’s the tour of Edinburgh in open top bus? Cup wins are special. League finish is about building season on season and that’s where my problem is.

The Scottish Cup win was something that brought tears to grown men’s eyes. 4th place isn’t going to do that unless they’ve taken a hit to a delicate area...

Look at Aberdeen, building for 8 odd years with McInnes and solid league performance and parts of their support want rid. They are above us and have been for years. If we are mental, what are they? I’ll tell you - fans that want special cup wins and probably a change in style.

Club like Hibs need to win more cups when good opportunities come around. It builds profile of club and I’m sure Ron Gordon is aware of that only too well. How much money do we think club made from SC win? I’d expect much more than any 4th place finish.

[Jones28]

Based on giving away a League Cup like that and not being able to beat a team above us in the league.

We still had a final to play yet.

[Jones28]

Absolutely none of them and not Martindale thats for sure.

Collins has been out the game far too long now, 2006-7 John Collins - yes absolutely, not now.

Who then?

[Jones28]

Here we go again!

Could you tell me how to not accept it please?

Apparently a statement from the chairman does the job.