What would be the most acceptable way to conclude this season?

[Moulin Yarns]

Really. There is provision in the sfa rules that any decisions needed which is outside the normal functions is biding and all teams have signed up to it. If the majority of clubs vote to end as is then that's it. No legal challenges. The only slight amendment we be if teams have games in hand that could have affected their finishing position. Im fairly certain this will be the outcome. Only partick in league one would have a game in hand that would affect outcomes.

St Johnstone has a game in hand, which if they win, moves them up a place in the league.

It is against the rangers.

[MacGruber]

As has been suggested the SPFL should pay the prize money out now based on current league positions. That gives clubs a bit of finance to see them through the next couple of months.

They can then see if they can finish the league by 30 June or not. If they cannot finish prize money stands as is. Title winners, relegation, promotion, league reconstruction would then be the debate.

If they can finish the season then every club would have a debit or credit paid together with the following seasons prize money. I.e. Hibs are paid now for 6th and StJ paid now for 7th. Season recommences later and transpires Saints finish 6th and Hibs 7th then Saints would get the difference they missed out on added to whatever they get next season. We get a deduction on our award next season for the diff between 6th and 7th

Just using Hibs and Saints swapping places as an example, needless to say if the season does finish we will finish 3rd ;)

[MWHIBBIES]

You must know the season can’t be finished? There will be no football before July. And it can’t be finished after that because the clubs have no money and the only way they can get money is start next season. You do know all that, don’t you?


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Oh yeah mate, its so blindingly obvious that it hasn't happened yet. Condesending patter.

The season should be finished. Clubs do have money, all of them except Hearts seem to be doing fine. I bet you the Premier league gets finished. All the top leagues will be, behind closed doors or not.

[James Stephen]

Oh yeah mate, its so blindingly obvious that it hasn't happened yet. Condesending patter.

The season should be finished. Clubs do have money, all of them except Hearts seem to be doing fine. I bet you the Premier league gets finished. All the top leagues will be, behind closed doors or not.

Well the govt are planning on virus peaking in may and June, the NHS is in emergency mode until mid june at least, and even the ever bullish PM Johnson is saying 12 weeks to turn the tide (i.e. stop cases rising), schools are being closed until August, parliament is about to close until August and the govt are making their biggest ever peacetime intervention in the economy because things look so bleak.

If you dont think anyone is saying it, its because youre not looking in the right places.

There is absolutely zero chance of this season being concluded in Scotland by the end of june deadline.

[Keith_M]

Oh yeah mate, its so blindingly obvious that it hasn't happened yet. Condesending patter.

The season should be finished. Clubs do have money, all of them except Hearts seem to be doing fine. I bet you the Premier league gets finished. All the top leagues will be, behind closed doors or not.


You appear to be the only person that has that opinion.

It's only a game, a bit of perspective might help.

[matty_f]

I'd end the season now, promotion, relegation, and titles given on where teams are now.

If one or two clubs go to court on it then fair enough, take the hit.

[jeffers]

The Scottish football authorities should grow a pair of balls and make a decision now to end the league as is. If we were bottom I'd moan a bit, but if we'd been utter dog**** for the past 12 months I'd have to accept we deserve to be relegated.

Talk of a June finish is a just a mess with players being out of contract and the issues that would entail, nevermind the likliehood that the coronavirus will still be a problem at that time.

[matty_f]

The Scottish football authorities should grow a pair of balls and make a decision now to end the league as is. If we were bottom I'd moan a bit, but if we'd been utter dog**** for the past 12 months I'd have to accept we deserve to be relegated.

Talk of a June finish is a just a mess with players being out of contract and the issues that would entail, nevermind the likliehood that the coronavirus will still be a problem at that time.

Exactly, and there will also need to be a period for teams to prepare for the games resuming as well - you can't have teams with players training in isolation then, at a weeks notice, say that matches are resuming.

There's zero chance that games will resume on time to complete the season by the end of June. I'm not even sure they'll be ready for an August start to next season.

They need to look at concluding the season asap.

[jeffers]

Exactly, and there will also need to be a period for teams to prepare for the games resuming as well - you can't have teams with players training in isolation then, at a weeks notice, say that matches are resuming.

There's zero chance that games will resume on time to complete the season by the end of June. I'm not even sure they'll be ready for an August start to next season.

They need to look at concluding the season asap.

If we can see it Matty I don't know how they can't. You can't have a situation where the league resumes with squads that could conceivably be vastly different to how they are now.

In the overall scheme of things football is not a major issue BUT that's Doncaster and his cronies job to deal with this about time we heard from them.

[GreenCastle]

You also have to remember teams aren’t training right now / players till try to stay fit but match sharpness etc won’t be there.

Teams will probably need some practice matches otherwise they will get a load of injuries.

Can’t just see them saying - ok time to go back to train - you have a game in 7 days. Can you imagine multi million pound players being told this ?

[MWHIBBIES]

You appear to be the only person that has that opinion.

It's only a game, a bit of perspective might help.

Its nothing to do with perspective. Obviously the health of the nation comes first. Then, when the nation is all healthy and happy, this season should be finished.

[Moulin Yarns]

Its nothing to do with perspective. Obviously the health of the nation comes first. Then, when the nation is all healthy and happy, this season should be finished.

I would have agreed that the season should be finished a week ago, but the length of the break will probably make this impact on the next season. Call it finished with teams rewarded according to current position. Promotion and relegation for top and bottom teams.

[04Sauzee]

Its nothing to do with perspective. Obviously the health of the nation comes first. Then, when the nation is all healthy and happy, this season should be finished.

And then what straight on to the next season? Can't get my head round how this season can be completed.

[Keith_M]

Its nothing to do with perspective. Obviously the health of the nation comes first. Then, when the nation is all healthy and happy, this season should be finished.


I honestly can't see football starting up again in time to do that.

I realise you mentioned playing games behind closed doors, but the players are also being isolated from each other, so I can't see that being an option.

[MWHIBBIES]

And then what straight on to the next season? Can't get my head round how this season can be completed.

No, obviously have a break. Cancel cup competition for that year to get things back on track.

[hfc rd]

I don’t think we’ve even hit the peak of this virus yet and the worst is still to come unfortunately. The numbers are increasing rather than decreasing day by day.

Cannot see how this season will restart.

[Ozyhibby]

No, obviously have a break. Cancel cup competition for that year to get things back on track.

League cup is a massive earner for lower league clubs. They won’t want that axed. Both cups bring in money for the game and we have sponsors to think about.
This season is gone and almost everyone accepts that. No point in deliberately disrupting another season if we don’t have to.


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[04Sauzee]

I don’t think we’ve even hit the peak of this virus yet and the worst is still to come unfortunately. The numbers are increasing rather than decreasing day by day.

Cannot see how this season will restart.
It can't and it won't anybody who want's it to restart needs to give their head a wobble

[Frankhfc]

I don’t think we’ve even hit the peak of this virus yet and the worst is still to come unfortunately. The numbers are increasing rather than decreasing day by day.

Cannot see how this season will restart.


Yep. Zero chance of this season starting back up. We're only at the first wave of significant numbers of people becoming infected. God Bless all of us.

Still, the pause in deciding how the season is ended is keeping a lot of us occupied with some excellent posts being put up.

Mon Hibs.

[Real Emerald]

It can't and it won't anybody who want's it to restart needs to give their head a wobble

I’m not convinced next season will be started let alone finish this one. A line has to be drawn under this season at some point to allow us to move forward. But restarting this season when half the players will be different and some teams may not even be here in many months time will be impossible.

[Ozyhibby]

I’m not convinced next season will be started let alone finish this one. A line has to be drawn under this season at some point to allow us to move forward. But restarting this season when half the players will be different and some teams may not even be here in many months time will be impossible.

I think everyone in football knows this now. The hold up now is in declaring winners and relegating teams or restructuring.


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[Eyrie]

Worth remembering that they're only talking about turning the tide over the next three months.

So at the end of June things will have started to improve but the coronavirus will still be circulating, just with fewer new infections. That doesn't make playing games in late June or during July a particularly smart move.

The number of hurdles to be overcome if this season is to be completed compared to calling the current standings as final makes it a no-brainer.

[mjhibby]

St Johnstone has a game in hand, which if they win, moves them up a place in the league.

It is against the rangers.

Hibs and st Johnstone could split 6th and 7th place money. No likely that saints would beat the rangers and we have a much better goal difference so a draw would mean we still finish 6th. It's really academic as the split is only relevant if we play the post split games which is highly unlikely. Only partick have a genuine gripe. Imho of course.

[mjhibby]

Worth remembering that they're only talking about turning the tide over the next three months.

So at the end of June things will have started to improve but the coronavirus will still be circulating, just with fewer new infections. That doesn't make playing games in late June or during July a particularly smart move.

The number of hurdles to be overcome if this season is to be completed compared to calling the current standings as final makes it a no-brainer.

Wholeheartedly agree. I don't think the TV companies will be as hard to deal with as some presume. These are extraordinary times so there will have to be some give and take on all sides and a solution found. I doubt there will be reconstruction as it will be looked upon as saving some teams who have had all season to get out of it.
I strongly suspect only partick might get some sort of leeway.

[Lago]

Scientific advisers saying social distancing will be needed for another 6 months minimum, I wonder if that will have an impact on whether large gatherings are given the go ahead. Football could struggle for a while yet as will other spectator sports. Olympics anyone?

[blackpoolhibs]

Scientific advisers saying social distancing will be needed for another 6 months minimum, I wonder if that will have an impact on whether large gatherings are given the go ahead. Football could struggle for a while yet as will other spectator sports. Olympics anyone?

But but but the league needs to be finished. :faf: There's not a hope in hell this season will play another game. They need to try and make sure the next season can start at some point in the future, and clubs will need to have some sort of plan for that, not some half arsed hair brained thoughts about this one.

[Waxy]

Has the season ended yet?
Who finished bottom?

[Paisley Hibby]

I think everyone in football knows this now. The hold up now is in declaring winners and relegating teams or restructuring.


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Or declaring this season null and void but divvy out the prize money based on standings at the point declared void. Unlikely certainly but an option

[Waxy]

Or declaring this season null and void but divvy out the prize money based on standings at the point declared void. Unlikely certainly but an option

Then no team gets paid out plus it opens a barrel of worms.
No it isnt an option.

[Joe6-2]

Governments around the world are having to make huge, life saving decisions, but football authorities can’t sort out a solution to this, surely they know that football for this season is done, there is no way this season can be completed and then move on to next season, something has to give and they really need to sort this sooner rather than later

[Deansy]

Septic to win the league and Hearts to be releagted - along with a 25 points deduction in the championship for their utterly shameless use of the coronavirus to try and avoid relegation !

[Lago]

But but but the league needs to be finished. :faf: There's not a hope in hell this season will play another game. They need to try and make sure the next season can start at some point in the future, and clubs will need to have some sort of plan for that, not some half arsed hair brained thoughts about this one.
Exactly, the authorities need to be somewhat more honest with the fans, too many hares being set loose in an effort to look as if all is in hand. No it is not.

[G B Young]

Highland League have today declared Brora champions with six games to go. Sets an interesting precedent and hopefully spurs the top leagues to get the finger out as there's now a play-off with the team at the bottom of the second division to consider.

[Waxy]

Still hope we can find a way to finish the season properly around june july.
The Gov may have no choice by then but to restart the country turning, otherwise we’ll have certain economic difficulties.
Football and these matches may actually be needed.

[Eyrie]

Highland League have today declared Brora champions with six games to go. Sets an interesting precedent and hopefully spurs the top leagues to get the finger out as there's now a play-off with the team at the bottom of the second division to consider.

There could be problems getting any play off games fitted in before the end of June. I think the default will have to be only the automatic promotion and relegation places are applied this season which would save Brechin.

[CockneyRebel]

Still hope we can find a way to finish the season properly around june july.
The Gov may have no choice by then but to restart the country turning, otherwise we’ll have certain economic difficulties.
Football and these matches may actually be needed.


Then we may as well not have bothered taking any precautions in the first place. I'm glad you're not in charge there would be a hell of a casualty list.

[Ozyhibby]

There could be problems getting any play off games fitted in before the end of June. I think the default will have to be only the automatic promotion and relegation places are applied this season which would save Brechin.

Correct. There will be no play offs of any kind. Good on Highland league for making the call. [emoji106]


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[MWHIBBIES]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-8138513/amp/OLIVER-HOLT-Chris-Wilder-insists-Premier-League-season-finish-no-matter-long-takes.html

I don't think he's alone in believing this.

[Carheenlea]

I think we could see when we do eventually get back to playing games that “next season” could effectively just be to complete this seasons outstanding fixtures, and if we are to be practicing social distancing for some time then I can’t see any football being played with spectators this year, and it might be January 2021 before we can get going properly again. Is that too outlandish a thought?

[Tom Hart RIP]

Reading that EPL will restart 1 June and all games to be played behind closed doors.
Wonder if we will follow suit?

[Eyrie]

Reading that EPL will restart 1 June and all games to be played behind closed doors.
Wonder if we will follow suit?

Which on paper is a practical solution. The problem will arise when games need to be postponed because players are unavailable due to the virus.

it might be possible up here if the decision is made to only play up to the split, so there are fewer games to accommodate. At least the Scottish Cup would be concluded, although we'll need to have a virtual pitch invasion this time.

[Ozyhibby]

Reading that EPL will restart 1 June and all games to be played behind closed doors.
Wonder if we will follow suit?

Scottish clubs won’t have any players in June?


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[HoboHarry]

Scottish clubs won’t have any players in June?


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You really think that there are going to be no special dispensations in place by then for contracts to be altered? The football authorities from all countries now have plenty of air cover to allow them to invent all manner of new rules, temporary or permanent, which will allow those clubs that have survived to resume at an agreed time....

[Ozyhibby]

You really think that there are going to be no special dispensations in place by then for contracts to be altered? The football authorities from all countries now have plenty of air cover to allow them to invent all manner of new rules, temporary or permanent, which will allow those clubs that have survived to resume at an agreed time....

Might be tricky for us to get Omeonga back? Or McNulty?


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[Ozyhibby]

You really think that there are going to be no special dispensations in place by then for contracts to be altered? The football authorities from all countries now have plenty of air cover to allow them to invent all manner of new rules, temporary or permanent, which will allow those clubs that have survived to resume at an agreed time....

Altered in what way? Players forced to sign extensions?


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[HoboHarry]

Altered in what way? Players forced to sign extensions?


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Don't be daft. Players won't be as picky moving forward at least in the short term. I can't imagine many out of contract players turning down a reasonable offer from their current clubs

[Peevemor]

Things now seem to be happening in the UK exactly as happened in France, but a week or two later.

I think you'll soon see the compulsory closing of all non essential shops. Working from home will be obligatory where possible and you'll need a good, specific reason to leave your house.

All this within the next week.

You can forget any ideas of the season being finished, even behind closed doors.

[G B Young]

You really think that there are going to be no special dispensations in place by then for contracts to be altered? The football authorities from all countries now have plenty of air cover to allow them to invent all manner of new rules, temporary or permanent, which will allow those clubs that have survived to resume at an agreed time....

Adding that sort of unnecessary complexity to the current crisis would be unthinkable. Whether the football season gets finished or not is now no more than a minor sideshow. In fact I'd go as far as to say it's an utter irrelevance. Who is honestly going to care in the long run? Really, what does it matter when set against what's going on in the real world?!

It amazes me that the powers that be in the game are still debating the issue when the answer's been right there in front of them for some time now. Just end the season now.

[HoboHarry]

Adding that sort of unnecessary complexity to the current crisis would be unthinkable. Whether the football season gets finished or not is now no more than a minor sideshow. In fact I'd go as far as to say it's an utter irrelevance. Who is honestly going to care in the long run? Really, what does it matter when set against what's going on in the real world?!

It amazes me that the powers that be in the game are still debating the issue when the answer's been right there in front of them for some time now. Just end the season now.
I'm not disagreeing with you, I too think that the season should end now but as with everything, follow the money. Organisations reeeaaaallllyyyyyyyy hate losing out on money.......

[Lago]

Reading that EPL will restart 1 June and all games to be played behind closed doors.
Wonder if we will follow suit?
Doing that in Australia.

[B.H.F.C]

Things now seem to be happening in the UK exactly as happened in France, but a week or two later.

I think you'll soon see the compulsory closing of all non essential shops. Working from home will be obligatory where possible and you'll need a good, specific reason to leave your house.

All this within the next week.

You can forget any ideas of the season being finished, even behind closed doors.

Is it looking like making a difference in France yet or still to early to tell?

[Peevemor]

Still too early to tell.

It's only last weekend that that pubs, restaurants and non essential shops were shut.

Although announced a few days earlier, the schools, colleges etc. have been closed since a week tomorrow.

Home working where possible was more or less imposed last Monday night with effect from Tuesday lunchtime.

With a lot of workplaces as well as supermarkets remaining open the virus will continue to spread.

It's all about flattening the curve.

From what I can see the UK's about 1-2 weeks behind France so I think you can expect all of the above in the coming week.

My own gut feeling is that we'll be holed in for 2-3 months (though I'm definitely no expert) therefore, as I said, forget finishing this season.

[Tyler Durden]

Things now seem to be happening in the UK exactly as happened in France, but a week or two later.

I think you'll soon see the compulsory closing of all non essential shops. Working from home will be obligatory where possible and you'll need a good, specific reason to leave your house.

All this within the next week.

You can forget any ideas of the season being finished, even behind closed doors.

I agree with everything virus related there.

But in England especially, they seem clear that they intend to finish the season. That could happen in August or October but I think there is a desire to finish it and then deal with the structure of the following season after that.

Given the World Cup is in November/December 2022, there is an opportunity to think out the box a bit and maybe move away from the normal calendar

[mjhibby]

Doing that in Australia.

Why the hell does football think it's an exception to everybody else. It only takes one player to get it then the virus will spread rapidly. How are they allowed to carry on. Govts will soon be forcing isolation on millions and social distancing on others. Farcical that they can just flout restrictions.

[mjhibby]

[QUOTE=Peevemor;6125210]Still too early to tell.

It's only last weekend that that pubs, restaurants and non essential shops were shut.

Although announced a few days earlier, the schools, colleges etc. have been closed since a week tomorrow.

There is no point in anybody making any plans when the death toll rises rapidly and we've no idea what's going to happen. Only when we can see measures contains the virus can we even start back training then then at least three weeks to get match fit. It's frankly embarrassing the way football and the Tokyo Olympic folk are behaving as if the virus is Just at an annoying interruption. No wonder folk are ignoring restrictions when we see football thinking it can make its own plans. If we lift the restrictions too early it could come back with a vengeance. Surreal times.

[eezyrider]

Why the hell does football think it's an exception to everybody else. It only takes one player to get it then the virus will spread rapidly. How are they allowed to carry on. Govts will soon be forcing isolation on millions and social distancing on others. Farcical that they can just flout restrictions.

It's not that they will be flouting restrictions, after a while it will be about public morale. The intention will be to finish the season behind closed doors. The virus won't spread rapidly if there are only 22 players plus 40 or so coaches and other staff.

EZ

[Eyrie]

Don't be daft. Players won't be as picky moving forward at least in the short term. I can't imagine many out of contract players turning down a reasonable offer from their current clubs

Unless they get a better offer from another club. Would you sign for the same money for six weeks or more money elsewhere for three years?

Asking players to sign short term extensions is attempting to find a solution to a problem that won't exist when the football authorities finally realise that our sport is a minor consideration given the scale of what is happening and accept that the current season is over.

[IberianHibernian]

In Scotland ( top division at least ) there`s an easy solution . All teams have played 30 matches except St Johnstone and Rangers Call that a 0 v 0 and we finish 6th or if St J don`t like that Hibs and St J can share prize money for 6th and 7th places . Celtic champions , Europa League places for 2nd to 4th and relegation for 12th whoever that is . Scottish Cup scrapped or played as pre season tournament whenever 2020 / 21 starts .
I`ve only left my house in southern Spain ( where situation is nowhere near as bad as other parts of Spain like Madrid or Catalonia ) twice in the last 9 days , both times for a 50 metre walk to a rubbish container . Here it`ll be the same for at least another 3 weeks and I suspect well into May . There is talk of Spanish league resuming in mid May and finishing in mid / late July and that may be the case though I doubt it . From what I see and read situation in UK is 2 or 3 weeks behind Spain and mentality is still that confinement measures are unnecessary or exaggerated - it`s fine to play golf , go to parks or walks in groups , shopping without precautions etc . There were horrible images of Britsh tourists in Benidorm only 9 days ago boozing in the street , " funnily " ? coughing at police . Hopefully these people will have realised that it`s a very serious situation for everyone and that football is way down the list of importance . Season in Scotland has finished and it`s time to take urgent measures that have nothing to do with sport . If people are responsible then maybe there`ll be a near normal 20 / 21 season .

[G B Young]

It's not that they will be flouting restrictions, after a while it will be about public morale. The intention will be to finish the season behind closed doors. The virus won't spread rapidly if there are only 22 players plus 40 or so coaches and other staff.

EZ

A bunch of professional footballers finishing the season behind closed doors will be neither here nor there when it comes to public morale. As mjhibby points out football has an awfully inflated opinion of itself if it thinks more than a few box-ticking obsessives are going to care whether the season finishes or not.

Yes, it'll be disappointing for Liverpool to win the league without any fanfare, but the title's been a foregone conclusion for months so it's not like we're being deprived of a great sporting drama. The sportsmen and woman I do feel for are those who've been in training for the Olympics for years and are set to see all that work go to waste, and to a lesser extent those who were perhaps set to qualify for events like the Open or Wimbledon for the first time in their careers. However, when all's said and done there are many thousands of lives around the world at stake here and sport simply needs to disappear into the background for as long as it takes for us all to come through this.

[CockneyRebel]

A bunch of professional footballers finishing the season behind closed doors will be neither here nor there when it comes to public morale. As mjhibby points out football has an awfully inflated opinion of itself if it thinks more than a few box-ticking obsessives are going to care whether the season finishes or not.

Yes, it'll be disappointing for Liverpool to win the league without any fanfare, but the title's been a foregone conclusion for months so it's not like we're being deprived of a great sporting drama. The sportsmen and woman I do feel for are those who've been in training for the Olympics for years and are set to see all that work go to waste, and to a lesser extent those who were perhaps set to qualify for events like the Open or Wimbledon for the first time in their careers. However, when all's said and done there are many thousands of lives around the world at stake here and sport simply needs to disappear into the background for as long as it takes for us all to come through this.


Sadly I have to agree.

[CockneyRebel]

It's not that they will be flouting restrictions, after a while it will be about public morale. The intention will be to finish the season behind closed doors. The virus won't spread rapidly if there are only 22 players plus 40 or so coaches and other staff.

EZ


And you know this how? Nobody knows! Nobody! The health experts and biologists can only make predictions based on released information. These predictions vary from country to country and change every day, Do you not realise how many people have already died. We now have a death toll in the UK.

Sport - f*** sport. Let's concentrate on saving lives. Just because the virus ain't down your street yet doesn't mean it ain't trying.

[lapsedhibee]

Working from home will be obligatory where possible and you'll need a good, specific reason to leave your house.



How does that work in France? You have to explain to a gendarme what you're up to when stopped, or you have to fill in an online form before you go out and get an ok from someone, or what?

[Peevemor]

How does that work in France? You have to explain to a gendarme what you're up to when stopped, or you have to fill in an online form before you go out and get an ok from someone, or what?

It's a bit weird.

There's a form that you download and fill out yourself (ticking the box for the relevant approved reason). You have to date and sign it. If you don't have a printer you have to copy it out by hand.

I don't really see the point to be honest.

[JimBHibees]

It's a bit weird.

There's a form that you download and fill out yourself (ticking the box for the relevant approved reason). You have to date and sign it. If you don't have a printer you have to copy it out by hand.

I don't really see the point to be honest.

Just so there is written evidence of the reason you are claiming to be out. Obviously can then be checked to see if your reason is valid.

[Peevemor]

Just so there is written evidence of the reason you are claiming to be out. Obviously can then be checked to see if your reason is valid.

My car is 11+ years old and hasn't moved since last Monday night. Later today I plan to go for a drive for 10 minutes to clear it's throat and make sure the battery doesn't die on me.

I'll note on the paper that I'm either going to my office or going for groceries - probably neither will be true.

Waste of a bit of paper if you ask me.

[mjhibby]

It's not that they will be flouting restrictions, after a while it will be about public morale. The intention will be to finish the season behind closed doors. The virus won't spread rapidly if there are only 22 players plus 40 or so coaches and other staff.

EZ

No wonder Wayne Rooney thinks footballers are being used as guinea pigs. If it's about morale have rock concerts streamed into homes. I really can't understand why folk can't see its very risky of 22 players plus subs,coaches,physios refs and assistant refs all in the same building and then players tackling challenging for the ball. We are told to avoid social contact and yet we expect footballers to just ignore this restrictions because we are all missing the fitba.
We need to park it till we it is reasonably safe to do so and that is a long way away even on optimistic predictions. If it gets as bad as Italy then I doubt there will be an appetite for football.
The spl has seemingly accepted there is unlikely to be any football until mid july and surely we will end up with a concocted end to the season. It looks like both English and Scottish fas are hoping the govt shut football down so they can then call the season over. Calls by the Southampton chairman for the league to restart behind close doors on may 1st are downright dangerous.

[lapsedhibee]

It's a bit weird.

There's a form that you download and fill out yourself (ticking the box for the relevant approved reason). You have to date and sign it. If you don't have a printer you have to copy it out by hand.

I don't really see the point to be honest.

Ta. Maybe just encouraging people to stop and think before they go out. Though the thinking process might sometimes be How Do I Circumvent The Purpose Of This Form?

[Andy74]

No wonder Wayne Rooney thinks footballers are being used as guinea pigs. If it's about morale have rock concerts streamed into homes. I really can't understand why folk can't see its very risky of 22 players plus subs,coaches,physios refs and assistant refs all in the same building and then players tackling challenging for the ball. We are told to avoid social contact and yet we expect footballers to just ignore this restrictions because we are all missing the fitba.
We need to park it till we it is reasonably safe to do so and that is a long way away even on optimistic predictions. If it gets as bad as Italy then I doubt there will be an appetite for football.
The spl has seemingly accepted there is unlikely to be any football until mid july and surely we will end up with a concocted end to the season. It looks like both English and Scottish fas are hoping the govt shut football down so they can then call the season over. Calls by the Southampton chairman for the league to restart behind close doors on may 1st are downright dangerous.

At the point he said it Wayne Rooney was wrong about footballers being treated like guinea pigs.

Like everyone else they were expected to go to their work and do their job. If anything they were all getting tested for this which no one else was getting unless they had clear symptoms.

Football got cancelled quickly enough once a couple of people tested positive and before most of us were told to work from home.

[Ozyhibby]

After reading Aberdeen’s statement there can’t be many who think that there will be an attempt by the clubs to complete this season and delay the start of next? The clubs will be absolutely desperate for cash by the summer and will want to get next season up and running.
Also can’t see Aberdeen voting to share next years tv money with 14 clubs instead of 12?


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[eezyrider]

And you know this how? Nobody knows! Nobody! The health experts and biologists can only make predictions based on released information. These predictions vary from country to country and change every day, Do you not realise how many people have already died. We now have a death toll in the UK.

Sport - f*** sport. Let's concentrate on saving lives. Just because the virus ain't down your street yet doesn't mean it ain't trying.

I know this as it's deemed okay for everyone to cram into supermarkets to panic buy but somehow a group of football players getting together for a game in the fresh air is deemed to be the precursor of a massive death toll. Health professionals and biologists would agree that supermarkets are a bigger risk.

Either way irrespective of anyone's opinions we have to follow the expert advice.

EZ

[CockneyRebel]

I know this as it's deemed okay for everyone to cram into supermarkets to panic buy but somehow a group of football players getting together for a game in the fresh air is deemed to be the precursor of a massive death toll. Health professionals and biologists would agree that supermarkets are a bigger risk.

Either way irrespective of anyone's opinions we have to follow the expert advice.

EZ




So because some folk crowd into supermarkets (not clever I agree) a smaller group playing football would be ok because they would pose a smaller risk? The key word is still "risk" Also there are a whole raft of folk needed to put on a match. even a closed door option, so its not just 2 football teams. The physicality of the sport would also involve "up close and personal" contact which would increase the risk of infection. I am not condoning what has/is/will happen with the herd instinct but we shouldn't actively and voluntarily promote scenarios that involve unnecessary exposure to risk.

I am deeply concerned at the amount of time and energy that is being directed by supporters towards rescuing/saving/solving the football problem. IMO it is not a football problem, football is just one of the many casualties of this virus. The most important casualty is the human one and this should/must/always be the main focus.

[G B Young]

Scotland's chief medical officer has said this morning that the lockdown is likely to last for 13 weeks and that social distancing may continue for months to come.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/scotland

That essentially means we're likely to be in lockdown until July and it could be months after that before restrictions are eased enough to consider re-introducing mass public events. Throw in the fact that players will be well short of match fitness and you have to ask why on earth the football authorities have failed to step up and accept this season is over?

Time to draw a line under it by accepting the current positions as the final positions and turn their focus towards assessing whether NEXT season is likely to get under way this year. Could be a closed doors start, but by targeting a return date of, say, September or October, at least there would be something more realistic to aim for.

[Onion]

Scotland's chief medical officer has said this morning that the lockdown is likely to last for 13 weeks and that social distancing may continue for months to come.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/scotland

That essentially means we're likely to be in lockdown until July and it could be months after that before restrictions are eased enough to consider re-introducing mass public events. Throw in the fact that players will be well short of match fitness and you have to ask why on earth the football authorities have failed to step up and accept this season is over?

Time to draw a line under it by accepting the current positions as the final positions and turn their focus towards assessing whether NEXT season is likely to get under way this year. Could be a closed doors start, but by targeting a return date of, say, September or October, at least there would be something more realistic to aim for.

They'll need the army and Marshall Law to enforce that as folk will be going round the bend after 3 or 4 weeks of this, let alone 13 ! And the economy will be trashed.

[G B Young]

They'll need the army and Marshall Law to enforce that as folk will be going round the bend after 3 or 4 weeks of this, let alone 13 ! And the economy will be trashed.

It could certainly have lasting psychological impact. Or we might surprise ourselves with how we learn to adapt.

My point, though, was related specifically to the football season. As the Olympic Committee have said this weekend "sport has to take a back seat at a time like this" and I think the football authorities need to wake up to the fact that ultimately nobody is going to care that much about whether the season was neatly tied up.

[Eyrie]

Couple of interesting comments that I read today.

First was from a Cowdenbeath director stating that they'd rather have the season declared over and prize money paid out now even although it would cost them a chance at promotion.

Second is an Aberdeen player saying that it will be very difficult to cram in the rest of the season due to player contracts, and he accepts that means they'll miss out on third despite being only one point behind Motherwell.

Last was the Motherwell chief executive saying that, whilst it would be preferable to finish this season, that becomes more and more difficult with every day that passes.

It all adds up to writing off the unplayed games.

[Billy Whizz]

The fact that we now could be social distancing for at least another 13 weeks or so, means that teams can’t do preseason until after this, I presume
No idea when they can start the new season, never mind the current season

[mjhibby]

Couple of interesting comments that I read today.

First was from a Cowdenbeath director stating that they'd rather have the season declared over and prize money paid out now even although it would cost them a chance at promotion.

Second is an Aberdeen player saying that it will be very difficult to cram in the rest of the season due to player contracts, and he accepts that means they'll miss out on third despite being only one point behind Motherwell.

Last was the Motherwell chief executive saying that, whilst it would be preferable to finish this season, that becomes more and more difficult with every day that passes.

It all adds up to writing off the unplayed games.

It's becoming glaringly clear the games won't be played. I'm sure if they could save the cups and start next season a few weeks late,scrap the winter break and no replays in cup ties then the TV guys won't object. It's getting more about making sure we get a full season next season rather than finishing this one. With a full preseason needed I doubt there will be any meaningful games before late July .

[mjhibby]

After reading Aberdeen’s statement there can’t be many who think that there will be an attempt by the clubs to complete this season and delay the start of next? The clubs will be absolutely desperate for cash by the summer and will want to get next season up and running.
Also can’t see Aberdeen voting to share next years tv money with 14 clubs instead of 12?


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Exactly. Self interest will ensure no reconstruction as has happened many times before. Don't think Hertz are going to be saved and they just need to suck it up.

[Ozyhibby]

Scotland's chief medical officer has said this morning that the lockdown is likely to last for 13 weeks and that social distancing may continue for months to come.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/scotland

That essentially means we're likely to be in lockdown until July and it could be months after that before restrictions are eased enough to consider re-introducing mass public events. Throw in the fact that players will be well short of match fitness and you have to ask why on earth the football authorities have failed to step up and accept this season is over?

Time to draw a line under it by accepting the current positions as the final positions and turn their focus towards assessing whether NEXT season is likely to get under way this year. Could be a closed doors start, but by targeting a return date of, say, September or October, at least there would be something more realistic to aim for.

She is just the chief medical officer. She wiould probably prefer a 13 week shutdown to minimise cases and she may be right but there is no chance she will get her wish. The country can’t afford it. This lockdown will be lucky to go past 4 weeks. People will be rapidly running out of money already.


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[Heisenberg]

She is just the chief medical officer. She wiould probably prefer a 13 week shutdown to minimise cases and she may be right but there is no chance she will get her wish. The country can’t afford it. This lockdown will be lucky to go past 4 weeks. People will be rapidly running out of money already.


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It is absolutely going to last for longer than four weeks imo. Think the Chief medical officer will be pretty much correct. Lockdown till the summer then a continuation of social distancing after that.

[Ozyhibby]

It is absolutely going to last for longer than four weeks imo. Think the Chief medical officer will be pretty much correct. Lockdown till the summer then a continuation of social distancing after that.

Govt will need to start getting cash out to people then because there will be families running out already.


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[kaimendhibs]

She is just the chief medical officer. She wiould probably prefer a 13 week shutdown to minimise cases and she may be right but there is no chance she will get her wish. The country can’t afford it. This lockdown will be lucky to go past 4 weeks. People will be rapidly running out of money already.


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[kaimendhibs]

They'll need the army and Marshall Law to enforce that as folk will be going round the bend after 3 or 4 weeks of this, let alone 13 ! And the economy will be trashed.If thats what it takes. Social unrest in South Italy now

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[PaulSmith]

It is absolutely going to last for longer than four weeks imo. Think the Chief medical officer will be pretty much correct. Lockdown till the summer then a continuation of social distancing after that.

At some point the medical teams will need to be cognisant of what they want to eradicate the virus to the impact of the other 99% of the population.

Big decisions for the govt to take in 4-5 weeks.


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[greenlex]

She is just the chief medical officer. She wiould probably prefer a 13 week shutdown to minimise cases and she may be right but there is no chance she will get her wish. The country can’t afford it. This lockdown will be lucky to go past 4 weeks. People will be rapidly running out of money already.


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We can afford it. We will just print more money, quantitive ease our way for months take the inflationary hit down the line. Most countries will be doing the same so it might not be catastrophic.

[Hibs4185]

We can afford it. We will just print more money, quantitive ease our way for months take the inflationary hit down the line. Most countries will be doing the same so it might not be catastrophic.

Banks are doing what they done previously and stockpiling the cash without lending or making lending very difficult.

They’d be better printing money and giving it to the people.

[Spike Mandela]

Exactly. Self interest will ensure no reconstruction as has happened many times before. Don't think Hertz are going to be saved and they just need to suck it up.

I suspect the opposite. From the first minute the sesaon was suspended Hearts have been crying litigation. Their media supporters have been touting league reconstruction. A 14 team league is a certainty next season on the premise of avoiding litigation from Hearts, completely ignoring the fact that the teams sitting 3rd and 4th in the Championship would have as much right to litigate as Hearts.

I have always said the authorities would consider all the options then do what is best for Rangers but on reflection realise that this would extend to other establishment clubs.

Conclusion, season null and void, Reconstruction for when it restarts. 100%.

[GreenCastle]

Spoke with a coach who works at and English Academy.

Players were meant to be returning in next few weeks but now doesn’t very likely at all.

He mentioned a Spanish player who returned to Spain and lives in an apartment and isn’t allowed to leave and can’t even go out for a run !! Thats just one of many examples of some of his players.

I can’t see cups being allowed to carry on but leagues ended.

This is going to get very interesting as even the northern league in England has made all results null and void and stopped teams progressing. Something like Kelty Hearts not getting chance to move up this season.

[Ozyhibby]

We can afford it. We will just print more money, quantitive ease our way for months take the inflationary hit down the line. Most countries will be doing the same so it might not be catastrophic.

That is not the plan though. The plan is to leave paying any money to self employed workers until June? How many of those workers will have the savings to get themselves to June? The current plan is unsustainable past 3 or 4 weeks.


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[Real Emerald]

I suspect the opposite. From the first minute the sesaon was suspended Hearts have been crying litigation. Their media supporters have been touting league reconstruction. A 14 team league is a certainty next season on the premise of avoiding litigation from Hearts, completely ignoring the fact that the teams sitting 3rd and 4th in the Championship would have as much right to litigate as Hearts.

I have always said the authorities would consider all the options then do what is best for Rangers but on reflection realise that this would extend to other establishment clubs.

Conclusion, season null and void, Reconstruction for when it restarts. 100%.

Hearts are angling for every possible way to wriggle out of relegation and restart with the best possible team. They have no shame, they will stop paying wages, dump all their pish players and work hard to get reconstruction. Once that has been achieved their mystery benefactors will reappear and will donate millions to build a new squad while other clubs have struggled through to keep paying staff. Every other club needs to keep a close eye on this, football clubs need to get back to paying what they can afford from what they earn, they can’t be allowed to have a business based on donations as this has proved.

[Ozyhibby]

Hearts are angling for every possible way to wriggle out of relegation and restart with the best possible team. They have no shame, they will stop paying wages, dump all their pish players and work hard to get reconstruction. Once that has been achieved their mystery benefactors will reappear and will donate millions to build a new squad while other clubs have struggled through to keep paying staff. Every other club needs to keep a close eye on this, football clubs need to get back to paying what they can afford from what they earn, they can’t be allowed to have a business based on donations as this has proved.

The problem Hearts have is that any plan to save them costs every other club money? Where as just relegating them doesn’t.


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[jacomo]

^

Aye. Relegate Hearts.

[Real Emerald]

The problem Hearts have is that any plan to save them costs every other club money? Where as just relegating them doesn’t.


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Exactly, that’s if they’re still here by the time football returns. However, I’m sure they will try to spend as little as possible now, fight tooth and nail for reconstruction and then plash the cash as usual to keep up the BIG team pretence. They haemorrhage other peoples money.

[greenlex]

That is not the plan though. The plan is to leave paying any money to self employed workers until June? How many of those workers will have the savings to get themselves to June? The current plan is unsustainable past 3 or 4 weeks.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk. They’ve to use the tax they would be paying in April the mean time if I’m reading it right, The current plan is days old. There will be several changes in the coming weeks to that plan.

[Ozyhibby]

. They’ve to use the tax they would be paying in April the mean time if I’m reading it right, The current plan is days old. There will be several changes in the coming weeks to that plan.

Most self employed people wait until January to do their tax. Your right though the plan may change. I think it will need to. Current set up just won’t work.


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[Onion]

Hearts are angling for every possible way to wriggle out of relegation and restart with the best possible team. They have no shame, they will stop paying wages, dump all their pish players and work hard to get reconstruction. Once that has been achieved their mystery benefactors will reappear and will donate millions to build a new squad while other clubs have struggled through to keep paying staff. Every other club needs to keep a close eye on this, football clubs need to get back to paying what they can afford from what they earn, they can’t be allowed to have a business based on donations as this has proved.

Correct, we've seen this movie before. Huns tried to do the same and only thwarted by the actions/threat of fans. Cannot allow the Yams to sleaze their way into a reconstructed Prem, free of the burden they themselves created.

[Waxy]

English football planning to play the rest of the league games out in June i hear.

[Del Boy]

Apparently Tom English said on sportsound today that he’s hearing the leagues will be called as it is....but no relegation!! How does that work?? Dundee United declared winners of championship but no promotion and Hearts finish bottom but no relegation! Wtf?

Did anyone hear sportsound today? - Just going on what a mate put in whatsapp group

[Spike Mandela]

Apparently Tom English said on sportsound today that he’s hearing the leagues will be called as it is....but no relegation!! How does that work?? Dundee United declared winners of championship but no promotion and Hearts finish bottom but no relegation! Wtf?

Did anyone hear sportsound today? - Just going on what a mate put in whatsapp group

Another Hearts mouthpiece spouting the line direct from Budge. League reconstruction will avoid relegation.

[stantonhibby]

Apparently Tom English said on sportsound today that he’s hearing the leagues will be called as it is....but no relegation!! How does that work?? Dundee United declared winners of championship but no promotion and Hearts finish bottom but no relegation! Wtf?

Did anyone hear sportsound today? - Just going on what a mate put in whatsapp group


Yep....I'm sure Dundee Utd would be delighted to win championship and then have to win it again next season!

[matty_f]

The only acceptable way to finish the season is to relegate Hearts.

[BoomtownHibees]

The only acceptable way to finish the season is to relate Hearts.

Absolutely not

[Viva_Palmeiras]

Can they not do it like yon Miss World announcement when they completely ersed it up and had to apologise for getting it wrong.

Rod Stewart: “And so after much considered deliberation there will be no relegation or promotion from the top tiers... oh sorry there’s been a mistake! Hearts doon!”

[Viva_Palmeiras]

Yep....I'm sure Dundee Utd would be delighted to win championship and then have to win it again next season!

Just like Falkirk.

[Hibeesmad]

With 'lockdown' looking likely to be going into June I really cant see this season getting finished. If it does then it will most probably be behind closed doors with games getting played every 3 days.

[Waxy]

The only acceptable way to finish the season is to relate Hearts.

Sorry pal but i’ll never relate to that lot.They SHOULD be relegated though.They could help Scottish football if they accept they should go down as they deserve to.
The season will be played out eventually anyway.
A massive old firm game on telly behind closed doors as the reopener will bring one of the biggest tv audiences in Scottish football history.

[Viva_Palmeiras]

Hearts are angling for every possible way to wriggle out of relegation and restart with the best possible team. They have no shame, they will stop paying wages, dump all their pish players and work hard to get reconstruction. Once that has been achieved their mystery benefactors will reappear and will donate millions to build a new squad while other clubs have struggled through to keep paying staff. Every other club needs to keep a close eye on this, football clubs need to get back to paying what they can afford from what they earn, they can’t be allowed to have a business based on donations as this has proved.

Trust them to go and spoil it for folks ...
Should mystery benefactors injecting significant amounts not be like donations to political parties? Need to be declared?
What if it was someone who has fiscal responsibilities that could have kept afloat the team (or paid dues/creditors ) from previous regime?

What if there’s a gentlemans agreement that said benefactors then take a controlling interest in the club or have more influence post Budge?

It’s one thing having simple fans (Vlads words not mind) contributing to save their club donating 100s-1000s over a year but if we’re talking hundreds of thousands ? Tax free from one individual? If they were a director or if it were fans paying for sponsorship/season tickets would such an act not be subject to tax?

[DaveF]

the only acceptable way to finish the season is to relate hearts.

ltyf

[jgl07]

Yep....I'm sure Dundee Utd would be delighted to win championship and then have to win it again next season!

Well Hibs did win the Second Division two years in a row in 1893-94 and 1894-95.

[KingPat4]

There is no need for league reconstruction.

Would clubs vote for that, just to save Hearts?


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[Waxy]

There is no need for league reconstruction.

Would clubs vote for that, just to save Hearts?


:confused:Pretty sure it’s only Hearts and their mouthpieces bring up reconstruction. If it’s not broke don’t fix it.

[Ozyhibby]

Sorry pal but i’ll never relate to that lot.They SHOULD be relegated though.They could help Scottish football if they accept they should go down as they deserve to.
The season will be played out eventually anyway.
A massive old firm game on telly behind closed doors as the reopener will bring one of the biggest tv audiences in Scottish football history.

Fantasy stuff. Zero chance the season gets finished.


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[Brightside]

The season is finished. There is no chance we can restart and get the games played. Nobody will be allowed at any large events till at least end of july. End it now. Celtic champs, Hearts down, Utd up. That it. Simple and fair.

[ElginHibbie]

There is no need for league reconstruction.

Would clubs vote for that, just to save Hearts?


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New TV deal comes into place next season, so clubs would be voting for less money.

Reconstruction only benefits Hearts and maybe Inverness so I'd be surprised if that was the solution that we get

[matty_f]

ltyf

:faf: I've edited now.

Relegate the *******s!

[Spike Mandela]

Have people on here been walking around with their eyes and ears shut since 2012.

The authorities will do all on their power to advantage the likes of Rangers and Hearts. There is NO way Hearts will be relegated. If league reconstruction is required to do that, it will be done.

[The 90+2]

Have people on here been walking around with their eyes and ears shut since 2012.

The authorities will do all on their power to advantage the likes of Rangers and Hearts. There is NO way Hearts will be relegated. If league reconstruction is required to do that, it will be done.

I unfortunately agree.

[Booked4Being-Ugly]

Have people on here been walking around with their eyes and ears shut since 2012.

The authorities will do all on their power to advantage the likes of Rangers and Hearts. There is NO way Hearts will be relegated. If league reconstruction is required to do that, it will be done.You just know that it’s going to be a farce and those ****s will get bailed out again. It will leave me with deep reservations yet again on supporting a corrupt league set up.

[Lee Marvin]

Have people on here been walking around with their eyes and ears shut since 2012.

The authorities will do all on their power to advantage the likes of Rangers and Hearts. There is NO way Hearts will be relegated. If league reconstruction is required to do that, it will be done.

If the decision untimately rests with the authorities, with no club vote needed, reconstruction is s certainty IMO.

However, Daryl Broadfoot (used to or still works on the SPFL board) says that this would need to go to a member vote, of which 11-1 is needed in the top division. If this is the case, I think they may struggle to get this through.

It would only need Hibs to vote against. I for one would be absolutely furious if we voted to keep them in the division, as petty as that may sound.

[Billy Whizz]

If the decision untimately rests with the authorities, with no club vote needed, reconstruction is s certainty IMO.

However, Daryl Broadfoot (used to or still works on the SPFL board) says that this would need to go to a member vote, of which 11-1 is needed in the top division. If this is the case, I think they may struggle to get this through.

It would only need Hibs to vote against. I for one would be absolutely furious if we voted to keep them in the division, as petty as that may sound.

He’s working as a freelance for the SFA

[Ozyhibby]

If the decision untimately rests with the authorities, with no club vote needed, reconstruction is s certainty IMO.

However, Daryl Broadfoot (used to or still works on the SPFL board) says that this would need to go to a member vote, of which 11-1 is needed in the top division. If this is the case, I think they may struggle to get this through.

It would only need Hibs to vote against. I for one would be absolutely furious if we voted to keep them in the division, as petty as that may sound.

Reconstruction requires every single top league team to take less money next season. That is going to be a very hard sell.


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[GreenNWhiteArmy]

Preference would be to finish the current season (when possible) - if that is towards the end of June in to July then so be it, we wont be the only country in that position so would hope there is a way we can extend contracts by a few weeks where applicable. There will be downstream impacts on european places if we dont finish our seasons too. Huge financial impacts for clubs that may be sitting in they places just now where all sorts of legal challenges will be made so we're small fry and will follow what others do. We can bin the winter break which is a load of nonsense and restructure cups for a year or 2

Second choice would be, if it is clear we are unable to continue, then call it as it is. I could be way off but as I said above, cant see how we could just declare it null and void due to the impact it has on European places plus the huge financial implications/benefits it would have to clubs down south for example. Leeds/West Brom/Norwich and Aston Villa would be majorly impacted by this from a promotion relegation aspect never mind at the top end of the PL. Rules state we play till the respective FA decide otherwise. therefore we declare on 29/30 games or whatever has been played. Tough titties for clubs that have a realistic chance of bettering their current positions, really unfortunate for those that have a game in hand - like Villa down south, where if they win their game in hand (which was postponed due to reaching the league cup final) they could find themselves outside the relegation places. Again though, not without its legal issues

Lastly would be league reconstruction - something I am in favour of is a bigger top league, clubs wont go for it though as it reduces "guaranteed income" from 4 visits from Glasgow each year and from what i'm reading about the new tv deal it would reduce tv income for those already in the top flight so I think that may be a non starter. a 14 team league playing twice before splitting in two and playing a further home/away game against those in your section. I think could work well, 4 OF games a year, 4 edinburgh derby's (normally) and meets the number of games we require to make it financially viable.

Regardless of option there will be challenges from clubs perceived to be losing out unfairly or not. We're small fish compared to the bigger leagues and will try to follow suit where possible.

I'm ruling out declaring null and void as I do not see that as a viable option

[Dashing Bob S]

Personally I don't see it resuming so I'd guess there's a very good chance it will ultiimately be declared null and void. As I've said on the virus thread, the BBC are reporting that the football authorities down south are privately admitting that trying to start up again in April will be "almost impossible".

Finish the season when it's safe to start football again. Then make next season a short one where teams just play each other twice, home and away.

[delbert]

Finish the season when it's safe to start football again. Then make next season a short one where teams just play each other twice, home and away.

Which would mean a second massive financial hit for all clubs, less gate money, catering revenue etc and most importantly, far less TV money, sorry but I don’t think these particular turkeys will be voting for a Christmas like this !

[Waxy]

Finish the season asap. The clubs need the revenue from these games. Even if it means a shortened league cup and playing all midweeks next season. Dont think European football will be allowed next season anyway.

[chippy]

If the decision untimately rests with the authorities, with no club vote needed, reconstruction is s certainty IMO.

However, Daryl Broadfoot (used to or still works on the SPFL board) says that this would need to go to a member vote, of which 11-1 is needed in the top division. If this is the case, I think they may struggle to get this through.

It would only need Hibs to vote against. I for one would be absolutely furious if we voted to keep them in the division, as petty as that may sound.

Perhaps someone could clarify , but did the voting arrangements for reconstruction not get amended around the time of old Rangers demise and once the SPL and SFL amalgamated ? I thought it was all 42 clubs voting but there is more than a simple majority required, maybe someone can help?

i can empathise with your anger that Hearts are likely to wriggle out of relegation and financial trouble again. You may be against larger leagues or ambivalent , but there is large body of opinion among supporters of Hibs other clubs that reconstruction is overdue and will be good for the game now and in the long run. Yes it will help Heats immediately, but it will also help other clubs who will be struggling financially. Think it will help us too in the short, medium and long term. The inevitable lockdown and following recession is going to have serious impacts on all our clubs and I reckon we , Hearts and many others will be looking at less signings and more playing time and first team football for Academy players. Bigger leagues make relegation less likely for us and give all clubs a chance to play younger Scots. Why not take this opportunity now , we can always wind them up they should have been relegated anyway, put an asterisk beside their name in the new league set up.

[heretoday]

They're talking about finishing the English prem in a big camp behind closed doors.

What does it take for folk to treat the virus with the respect it deserves? Medics are needed elsewhere, not looking after overpaid haddies.

Of course it's about money - Prem paying their dues to Sky.

[Ozyhibby]

Perhaps someone could clarify , but did the voting arrangements for reconstruction not get amended around the time of old Rangers demise and once the SPL and SFL amalgamated ? I thought it was all 42 clubs voting but there is more than a simple majority required, maybe someone can help?

i can empathise with your anger that Hearts are likely to wriggle out of relegation and financial trouble again. You may be against larger leagues or ambivalent , but there is large body of opinion among supporters of Hibs other clubs that reconstruction is overdue and will be good for the game now and in the long run. Yes it will help Heats immediately, but it will also help other clubs who will be struggling financially. Think it will help us too in the short, medium and long term. The inevitable lockdown and following recession is going to have serious impacts on all our clubs and I reckon we , Hearts and many others will be looking at less signings and more playing time and first team football for Academy players. Bigger leagues make relegation less likely for us and give all clubs a chance to play younger Scots. Why not take this opportunity now , we can always wind them up they should have been relegated anyway, put an asterisk beside their name in the new league set up.

I’m pretty sure you need 75% of the 42 clubs to vote for reconstruction. I’m sure I heard Daryl Broadfoot say that on the radio a couple of weeks back.


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[Ozyhibby]

Perhaps someone could clarify , but did the voting arrangements for reconstruction not get amended around the time of old Rangers demise and once the SPL and SFL amalgamated ? I thought it was all 42 clubs voting but there is more than a simple majority required, maybe someone can help?

i can empathise with your anger that Hearts are likely to wriggle out of relegation and financial trouble again. You may be against larger leagues or ambivalent , but there is large body of opinion among supporters of Hibs other clubs that reconstruction is overdue and will be good for the game now and in the long run. Yes it will help Heats immediately, but it will also help other clubs who will be struggling financially. Think it will help us too in the short, medium and long term. The inevitable lockdown and following recession is going to have serious impacts on all our clubs and I reckon we , Hearts and many others will be looking at less signings and more playing time and first team football for Academy players. Bigger leagues make relegation less likely for us and give all clubs a chance to play younger Scots. Why not take this opportunity now , we can always wind them up they should have been relegated anyway, put an asterisk beside their name in the new league set up.

On reconstruction, a bigger league is bad for Hibs because it means possibly less games v old firm, Aberdeen and Hearts if we end up on the wrong side of the split. That is very important to us because we have very large overheads and an expensive squad. We really can’t afford to take hits to our income like that. We are just in the middle of an capital investment program of over £1m and we really can’t afford to put that at risk.
Taking away a home game v Celtic and replacing it with a home game v Inverness would be very foolish from a financial point of view for the club.
There is a reason we have kept it at 12 all these years, because that’s what brings in the most money. All the other set ups have been looked at a million times over the years and the clubs just can’t make it work financially.


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[Billy Whizz]

They're talking about finishing the English prem in a big camp behind closed doors.

What does it take for folk to treat the virus with the respect it deserves? Medics are needed elsewhere, not looking after overpaid haddies.

Of course it's about money - Prem paying their dues to Sky.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52092857

On Beeb site

[Eyrie]

Finish the season asap. The clubs need the revenue from these games. Even if it means a shortened league cup and playing all midweeks next season. Dont think European football will be allowed next season anyway.

How much revenue will the clubs get from those games compared to the costs of playing those games and paying out-of-contract players for another four weeks?

And UEFA will prioritise its own competitions, then leave it to the leagues to make sacrifices.

[matty_f]

Did I mention they should just relegate Hearts?

[stoneyburn hibs]

Did I mention they should just relegate Hearts?

I can relate to that 😁

[mjhibby]

How much revenue will the clubs get from those games compared to the costs of playing those games and paying out-of-contract players for another four weeks?

And UEFA will prioritise its own competitions, then leave it to the leagues to make sacrifices.

Uefa have said it's up to each league to decide. In other words they are only interested in the champions league and Europa league. Was always going to happen that way. I don't think uefa are interested in helping associations.

[skyhibs]

Let the pools panel sit like years ago and finish the league on the results they predict

[Ozyhibby]

https://amp.theguardian.com/football/2020/mar/30/64-non-league-clubs-lobby-fa-over-plan-to-void-seasons-results?utm_term=Autofeed&CMP=twt_gu&utm_medium=&utm_source=Twitter&__twitter_impression=true

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[MWHIBBIES]

Fantasy stuff. Zero chance the season gets finished.


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I'd say its much higher than zero considering every league is trying to find a way to do it.

[ballengeich]

They're talking about finishing the English prem in a big camp behind closed doors.

What does it take for folk to treat the virus with the respect it deserves? Medics are needed elsewhere, not looking after overpaid haddies.

Of course it's about money - Prem paying their dues to Sky.

With all the other changes that are going on it would be easy to remove the requirement for medical staff to be in attendance. They're needed more for the crowd than the players and if this happened it would be when restrictions are starting to be relaxed.

[Ozyhibby]

I'd say its much higher than zero considering every league is trying to find a way to do it.

But they now realise it’s impossible.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/amp/football/52092857?__twitter_impression=true


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[chippy]

On reconstruction, a bigger league is bad for Hibs because it means possibly less games v old firm, Aberdeen and Hearts if we end up on the wrong side of the split. That is very important to us because we have very large overheads and an expensive squad. We really can’t afford to take hits to our income like that. We are just in the middle of an capital investment program of over £1m and we really can’t afford to put that at risk.
Taking away a home game v Celtic and replacing it with a home game v Inverness would be very foolish from a financial point of view for the club.
There is a reason we have kept it at 12 all these years, because that’s what brings in the most money. All the other set ups have been looked at a million times over the years and the clubs just can’t make it work financially.


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I’d counter this with:
12 weeks ago we were in the relegation zone. Since the leagues were reduced in size we’ve been in relegation zone many times. Small leagues have no middle ground and don’t suit either experimentation with players or shape/ tactics. Don’t suit playing younger scots players which would reduce playing budgets and likely developing and selling on players if it suited us. Small leagues suit old firm much more than us or our peers. 4 games per season suits OF squad size/quality etc and smaller clubs who depend on their away support. Our best attendances are usually vs Hearts or anyone if we’re on a winning run. More chance of winning runs in expanded league. 14/16 team league would help us get closer to OF if we had a decent side and likely same for Hearts, Dons, Arabs. Would losing 2-4 OF games be such a problem re attendances if we’re almost certain to not get relegated from a 14/16 team league. Seems to me that gives us more long term security.

[Ozyhibby]

I’d counter this with:
12 weeks ago we were in the relegation zone. Since the leagues were reduced in size we’ve been in relegation zone many times. Small leagues have no middle ground and don’t suit either experimentation with players or shape/ tactics. Don’t suit playing younger scots players which would reduce playing budgets and likely developing and selling on players if it suited us. Small leagues suit old firm much more than us or our peers. 4 games per season suits OF squad size/quality etc and smaller clubs who depend on their away support. Our best attendances are usually vs Hearts or anyone if we’re on a winning run. More chance of winning runs in expanded league. 14/16 team league would help us get closer to OF if we had a decent side and likely same for Hearts, Dons, Arabs. Would losing 2-4 OF games be such a problem re attendances if we’re almost certain to not get relegated from a 14/16 team league. Seems to me that gives us more long term security.

I agree with all that but the club have always went with the financial side. And the tv companies insist on 4 old firm games.


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[Waxy]

We could cut the spl fixtures to the 33 matches so we only have the 3 games left. We’ll all have played each other an equal amount and its more cash for the clubs. Another old firm game too to keep them all happy.

[poolman]

Finish now and relegate the Yams 😋

[chippy]

I agree with all that but the club have always went with the financial side. And the tv companies insist on 4 old firm games.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk yes I didn’t think you were against it pervse. I did mean a 14/16/team league with splits similar to Belgium or Danes ensuring 4 OF games , at least 2 Edinburgh derbies and possible Lanarkshire, Dundee , Renfrewshire ones too. Sure it was RP who floated the Belgian model many years ago now

[chippy]

yes I didn’t think you were against it pervse. I did mean a 14/16/team league with splits similar to Belgium or Danes ensuring 4 OF games , at least 2 Edinburgh derbies and possible Lanarkshire, Dundee , Renfrewshire ones too. Sure it was RP who floated the Belgian model many years ago now


oops meant to say per se NOT pervse

[Haymaker]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52092857

On Beeb site

Random but why would taking the government salary stop the clubs giving players diet plans etc?

[Eyrie]

Random but why would taking the government salary stop the clubs giving players diet plans etc?

Because following their employer's instructions about fitness and diet could be a breach of the rule that they're not meant to be doing any work for their employer when furloughed.

Not convinced since it would be up to each player whether or not they followed the advice provided.

[G B Young]

But they now realise it’s impossible.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/amp/football/52092857?__twitter_impression=true


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Yes, that's an admission that it's futile to try finishing the season. Not before time. Now clubs can plan ahead rather than being stuck in this needless limbo.

[G B Young]

Did I mention they should just relegate Hearts?

No, you must have forgotten to mention it. You raise a good point though and I'm in full agreement.

What does everyone else think about such a suggestion?

[G B Young]

https://amp.theguardian.com/football/2020/mar/30/64-non-league-clubs-lobby-fa-over-plan-to-void-seasons-results?utm_term=Autofeed&CMP=twt_gu&utm_medium=&utm_source=Twitter&__twitter_impression=true

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While sympathetic to the clubs who had already secured promotion, I can't agree that the FA acted with "inexplicable haste". It strikes me as an admirably quick and mature decision in the circumstances. It's high time the powers that be in the game realised that football really isn't a big deal at present.

[Ozyhibby]

While sympathetic to the clubs who had already secured promotion, I can't agree that the FA acted with "inexplicable haste". It strikes me as an admirably quick and mature decision in the circumstances. It's high time the powers that be in the game realised that football really isn't a big deal at present.

And yet here you are spending your time on a football forum talking about something that is not important right now.[emoji849]


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[Waxy]

While sympathetic to the clubs who had already secured promotion, I can't agree that the FA acted with "inexplicable haste". It strikes me as an admirably quick and mature decision in the circumstances. It's high time the powers that be in the game realised that football really isn't a big deal at present.

It is a big deal.The problems around the world are far more important than football we know, but life before and what happens after is still a big deal.

[Haymaker]

Because following their employer's instructions about fitness and diet could be a breach of the rule that they're not meant to be doing any work for their employer when furloughed.

Not convinced since it would be up to each player whether or not they followed the advice provided.

Cheers pal, didn't know that.

[jacomo]

No, you must have forgotten to mention it. You raise a good point though and I'm in full agreement.

What does everyone else think about such a suggestion?


I’ve given it a lot of thought, and this won’t be popular with everyone, but the fairest and most sensible thing to do is just relegate Hearts.

[Dibben]

I’ve given it a lot of thought, and this won’t be popular with everyone, but the fairest and most sensible thing to do is just relegate Hearts.

Seconded... 😁

[Waxy]

I’ve given it a lot of thought, and this won’t be popular with everyone, but the fairest and most sensible thing to do is just relegate Hearts.

Well it is. They were going down anyway.
I trust the SPFL will know this anyway.
Its hardly fair to not relegate a team because of unforseen world problenms that have nothing to do with football.
Did ICT get to stay up last year because there’s still famine in the world?
Pretty sure a horrible winter has forced the season to end in late summer before 1960?
Did that stop teams going down?
Its unreal.

[Bostonhibby]

No, you must have forgotten to mention it. You raise a good point though and I'm in full agreement.

What does everyone else think about such a suggestion?They could be a bit more creative about it in my opinion.

Drag it out to see if they really are facing another admin, there's no games on so they can't sneakily and cynically manipulate the punishment and shaft another club like they did Dundee last time around. Who knows how low they'll allow themselves to go this time around.



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[mjhibby]

Well it is. They were going down anyway.
I trust the SPFL will know this anyway.
Its hardly fair to not relegate a team because of unforseen world problenms that have nothing to do with football.
Did ICT get to stay up last year because there’s still famine in the world?
Pretty sure a horrible winter has forced the season to end in late summer before 1960?
Did that stop teams going down?
Its unreal.

Couldn't agree more. They were highly likely to go down if we'd finished the season. The excuse that relegation could cost jobs doesn't wash as any club who gets relegated has to join at deal with it. It's embarrassing listening to them plead not to be relegated.

[G B Young]

It is a big deal.The problems around the world are far more important than football we know, but life before and what happens after is still a big deal.

Of course it is, but my point is that the football doesn't hold some sort of priority status. It's been clear for a least a month now that finishing the season was likely to become problematical yet while pretty much all other sports have taken decisive measures to cancel or reschedule events for next year, our UK football authorities continue to drag their heels. It really shouldn't be that hard to step back and realise that in the years to come the fact the season didn't get neatly tied off will be neither here nor there.

[Waxy]

Of course it is, but my point is that the football doesn't hold some sort of priority status. It's been clear for a least a month now that finishing the season was likely to become problematical yet while pretty much all other sports have taken decisive measures to cancel or reschedule events for next year, our UK football authorities continue to drag their heels. It really shouldn't be that hard to step back and realise that in the years to come the fact the season didn't get neatly tied off will be neither here nor there.Teams must be held to account for having a poor season. Every year a team goes down because they are bottom.Completely unfair on every team ever relegated if the bottom team doesnt go down this season.
Imo we must finish the season no matter how long it takes. Till then stopping this virus spread must take priority as you have said.

[G B Young]

And yet here you are spending your time on a football forum talking about something that is not important right now.[emoji849]


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What I think is important right now (hence the reason I keep banging on about it!) is that a decision is made on ending the season so that clubs have at least some clarity on a way forward. Planning for next season (whenever that may be) could then proceed without being weighed down by the deadwood of this season.

[Real Emerald]

Teams must be held to account for having a poor season. Every year a team goes down because they are bottom.Completely unfair on every team ever relegated if the bottom team doesnt go down this season.
Imo we must finish the season no matter how long it takes. Till then stopping this virus spread must take priority as you have said.

You could be potentially finishing the season with different teams though. What’s to stop Hearts ripping up contracts now and bringing in a whole bunch of better players to keep them up. Balance this with other teams at the bottom struggling through to keep paying their players. If we are to continue the season then no new players should be eligible.

[G B Young]

Teams must be held to account for having a poor season. Every year a team goes down because they are bottom.Completely unfair on every team ever relegated if the bottom team doesnt go down this season.
Imo we must finish the season no matter how long it takes. Till then stopping this virus spread must take priority as you have said.

Teams can still be relegated without having to officially complete the season. Call it over as it stands, relegate the teams currently bottom of each league and promote the top teams. Scrap the play-offs but distribute the play-off money among the relegated teams and the teams currently in the promotion play-off positions.

We can't realistically adopt a 'no matter how long it takes' approach to getting this season finished if we want to get back to normal asap after this virus is finally overcome. I think it would be irresponsible, not to mention a logistical shambles, to insist on that when set against the bigger picture.

[Gloucester Hibs]

See the EPL are now talking about finishing the season in the summer behind closed doors. Games being played every day with every game televised and "World Cup style" isolated team camps :hmmm:

[Ozyhibby]

See the EPL are now talking about finishing the season in the summer behind closed doors. Games being played every day with every game televised and "World Cup style" isolated team camps :hmmm:

Fantasy stuff, never happen.


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[Real Emerald]

Fantasy stuff, never happen.


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I agree, it’s just pie in the sky stuff. Too many problems with contracts too.

[Waxy]

You could be potentially finishing the season with different teams though. What’s to stop Hearts ripping up contracts now and bringing in a whole bunch of better players to keep them up. Balance this with other teams at the bottom struggling through to keep paying their players. If we are to continue the season then no new players should be eligible.

Well i guess this is the time we must set precedents for future disruptions.
Perhaps allow a couple more new signings for every team should this go into late summer? Shouldnt make that much difference and would allow for players leaving.
Something has to give somewhere.

[Ozyhibby]

Well i guess this is the time we must set precedents for future disruptions.
Perhaps allow a couple more new signings for every team should this go into late summer? Shouldnt make that much difference and would allow for players leaving.
Something has to give somewhere.

Killie only have 4 players, they’ll need more than a couple. This season won’t be finished.


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[greenpaper55]

The only way the season could restart is for every player to be tested and this would need to be done many times and could you justify this before other workers who are much more vital to us at this moment ? There is no chance of this in the next few weeks unless a miracle happens regarding the test kits being available to all. To me the only answer is to end the season now with one team down and one up with maybe some financial compensation for the relegated teams and the team who is second top in the lower division.

[Onion]

UEFA will press hard for the season to be finished somehow, through closed door games and/or running into next season. That is not without problems with player contracts, Covid testing, relying in the general clearance from governments, and in the case of Scotland delaying the vital payments to clubs. Can see some clubs going out of business before all of that happens.

Hearts and the Rangers can squeam and squeam but that may become self-fulfilling over time as they both run out of money. Would be a shame if their arrogance and disdain for the game in general results in one or both going bust.

[theonlywayisup]

Killie only have 4 players, they’ll need more than a couple. This season won’t be finished.


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Fully agree, I don't think that the 2019/20 season will be finished anytime soon, if at all. And the 2020/21 season will be a much delayed start, meaning it can't proceed on the current basis.

The Government are talking about possibly six months before restrictions will be lifted, even then only partially. That said, no-one knows when this virus will diminish so making any predictions about when sport will re-start is pretty pointless.

[G B Young]

I agree, it’s just pie in the sky stuff. Too many problems with contracts too.

It's also a transparent effort to turn a profit from the current crisis via TV deals under the pretext of "giving fans what they want".

Aside from the fact such a hastily thrown together event would bear no relation to the format of the league season, there would be no chance that so many players, staff and officials would be able to come together over the summer considering all the major summer sporting events have already been cancelled or are about to be (Wimbledon's set to be called off over the next couple of days).

[Moulin Yarns]

Killie only have 4 players, they’ll need more than a couple. This season won’t be finished.


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Today, Kilmarnock have a first team squad of 26,4 goalkeepers.

[PatHead]

It's also a transparent effort to turn a profit from the current crisis via TV deals under the pretext of "giving fans what the want".

Aside from the fact such a hastily thrown together event would bear no relation to the format of the league season, there would be no chance that so many players, staff and officials would be able to come together over the summer considering all the major summer sporting events have already been cancelled or are about to be (Wimbledon's set to be called off over the next couple of days).

A number of foreign players have been allowed to return home. They couldn't get back into the country.

[cabbageandribs1875]

Billionaire mike ashley has become the first premier league club owner to stop paying non coaching staff or players. academy staff and scouts won't get paid either, coaching staff and players,who collectively earn 100m, will remain on full pay for now, priorities mike

[MWHIBBIES]

Billionaire mike ashley has become the first premier league club owner to stop paying non coaching staff or players. academy staff and scouts won't get paid either, coaching staff and players,who collectively earn 100m, will remain on full pay for now, priorities mike

Horrible or not, his priority is the ones who make him money.

[Craig_in_Prague]

Scottish Rugby league declared null and void.

[Eyrie]

No, you must have forgotten to mention it. You raise a good point though and I'm in full agreement.

What does everyone else think about such a suggestion?

I think it's ridiculously tribal.

In a situation as serious as this it is important to look at the matter in a dispassionate manner and reach a logical conclusion. The inevitable outcome of such a process is that the team at the bottom of the league has played poorly for more than 75% of the season and so is deserving of relegation.


:lolyam:

[G B Young]

I think it's ridiculously tribal.

In a situation as serious as this it is important to look at the matter in a dispassionate manner and reach a logical conclusion. The inevitable outcome of such a process is that the team at the bottom of the league has played poorly for more than 75% of the season and so is deserving of relegation.


:lolyam:


In all seriousness, I think if you take their current position (with just eight games to go) and also throw THIS into the mix, they can't really argue they've been especially hard done to if they get relegated:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/50958324

[Waxy]

Scottish Rugby league declared null and void.

Scottish tiddlywinks league too.

[Brightside]

Today, Kilmarnock have a first team squad of 26,4 goalkeepers.

22 of whom are out of contract on Jun 1st.

[Since452]

Scottish Rugby league declared null and void.

Won't happen with football. Celtic (Peter Lawwell) won't allow it.

[mjhibby]

You could be potentially finishing the season with different teams though. What’s to stop Hearts ripping up contracts now and bringing in a whole bunch of better players to keep them up. Balance this with other teams at the bottom struggling through to keep paying their players. If we are to continue the season then no new players should be eligible.

My thoughts exactly. If we do restart this season then it must be with the squads we have now including loan players. My worry is firstly that games will be at a false pace and secondly results and promotion and relegation will be decided on who has suffered the least from the lockdown. The games will feel like they are a different season if it's in late June onwards. As this lockdown continues the appetite for finishing the season will disappear imho.

[jacomo]

My thoughts exactly. If we do restart this season then it must be with the squads we have now including loan players. My worry is firstly that games will be at a false pace and secondly results and promotion and relegation will be decided on who has suffered the least from the lockdown. The games will feel like they are a different season if it's in late June onwards. As this lockdown continues the appetite for finishing the season will disappear imho.


Just relegate Hearts.

They could erect a new monument on their plaza piazza, ‘dedicated to the woman (and a bunch of men, but mostly the woman’ who so heroically sacrificed Hearts position in the Premier league so that the 19/20 season could be wrapped up as satisfactorily as possible.’

[Waxy]

Hearts should relegate themselves. That would save a bit time and alot of nonsense.

[PatHead]

Hearts should relegate themselves. That would save a bit time and alot of nonsense.

They should just die and do everyone a favour.

[Moulin Yarns]

22 of whom are out of contract on Jun 1st.

Or they could sign new contracts, whether they are for Killie or not is up for debate, but to state that they only have 4 players is patently wrong.

[G B Young]

SRU has declared the club rugby season null and void.

[Ozyhibby]

Or they could sign new contracts, whether they are for Killie or not is up for debate, but to state that they only have 4 players is patently wrong.

I said they only have 4 players in response to someone who suggested playing until late in the summer. Hamilton in a similar position.


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[bingo70]

SRU has declared the club rugby season null and void.

Don’t think they’ve got a tv deal do they?

That seems to be the main problem, financially anyway, of just doing that.

Apparently if the league is called null and void clubs would have to pay back the tv money as we’ve not been able to stick to the contract of completing the season the tv companies paid for.

Leagues like the one you mentioned, the highland league and the lower non leagues in England that have done this don’t have that problem.

[G B Young]

Don’t think they’ve got a tv deal do they?

That seems to be the main problem, financially anyway, of just doing that.

Apparently if the league is called null and void clubs would have to pay back the tv money as we’ve not been able to stick to the contract of completing the season the tv companies paid for.

Leagues like the one you mentioned, the highland league and the lower non leagues in England that have done this don’t have that problem.

This season's new Super 6 (which has also been called to a halt) had a TV deal of sorts so I'm not sure what happens there:

https://www.scottishrugby.org/news/super6-season-and-broadcast-fixtures-announced

The reason for ending the Super 6 is given as follows by the SRU:

The FOSROC Super6 tournament has also been concluded early. As the FOSROC Super6 competition was not concluded and had yet to be completed at the time that the suspension came into effect. Although there was a club who finished top of the league when the season was concluded, the format of the competition was in two Stages with the league used to decided seedings and home advantage for the semi-finals and the Tournament winner coming through the agreed semi-final and final stages. This is consistent with all other competitions run under the auspices of Scottish Rugby.

[Hibby Kay-Yay]

This season's new Super 6 (which has also been called to a halt) had a TV deal of sorts so I'm not sure what happens there:

https://www.scottishrugby.org/news/super6-season-and-broadcast-fixtures-announced

The reason for ending the Super 6 is given as follows by the SRU:

The FOSROC Super6 tournament has also been concluded early. As the FOSROC Super6 competition was not concluded and had yet to be completed at the time that the suspension came into effect. Although there was a club who finished top of the league when the season was concluded, the format of the competition was in two Stages with the league used to decided seedings and home advantage for the semi-finals and the Tournament winner coming through the agreed semi-final and final stages. This is consistent with all other competitions run under the auspices of Scottish Rugby.

Quite a different format from our league

[GreenCastle]

22 of whom are out of contract on Jun 1st.

Any news on the SWPL season ??!

Women’s football only played a couple games.

[LeithMike]

It sounds like a number of clubs, including Rangers and Hearts, are in desperate need of money so I would expect the prize money to be paid shortly. This probably presents an opportunity to agree some form of solution in terms of the end of the season.

While you could see Rangers accepting Celtic winning the title to get their money, it's hard to see Hearts accepting the same if it meant relegation. Will depend how desperate they are.

This is going to be really difficult to fix and, no matter what is agreed, some clubs will be unfairly treated if, as looks likely, the season cant finish.

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[chippy]

Any news on the SWPL season ??!

Women’s football only played a couple games.

if we’re top call the league now. If we’re bottom it should be null and void or expand the league. That’s how it works yes?

[GreenCastle]

It sounds like a number of clubs, including Rangers and Hearts, are in desperate need of money so I would expect the prize money to be paid shortly. This probably presents an opportunity to agree some form of solution in terms of the end of the season.

While you could see Rangers accepting Celtic winning the title to get their money, it's hard to see Hearts accepting the same if it meant relegation. Will depend how desperate they are.

This is going to be really difficult to fix and, no matter what is agreed, some clubs will be unfairly treated if, as looks likely, the season cant finish.

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Doubt Rangers would accept the money over Celtic winning the league.

Also interesting to see what others are doing here..

Rugby club season - null and void..same with lower leagues in England.

Highland league..which surely affects league pyramid - have said standings stay as they are = Brora Champions..

Different counties and leagues doing different things doesn’t look great...

[04Sauzee]

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SLIM TO NONE Rangers ‘have just a ONE per cent mathematical chance’ of overhauling Celtic to win SPFL title, new data suggests
David Fowler
1 Apr 2020, 11:48
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RANGERS have just a one per cent mathematical chance of winning the Scottish Premiership this season, it has been reported.

Football statistics company Euro Club Index have crunched the numbers for BBC Scotland to provide a scientific prediction of the remainder of the Scottish campaign - and it makes for grim viewing for followers of the Ibrox club.

Rangers are rated huge outsiders to beat Celtic to title
WILLIE VASS - THE SUN
Rangers are rated huge outsiders to beat Celtic to title
While they trailed Celtic by 13 points with a game in hand when the coronavirus pandemic called an early halt to the Premiership campaign, Steven Gerrard's side were able to cling to hope with two Old Firm matches still to come.

But with 27 points theoretically still up for grabs, the data from Euro Club Index suggest that this is a forlorn hope.


Boosted by their remarkable league form in 2020 of nine wins and a draw - which has also given them a superior goal difference of 25 over their Glasgow rivals - they are made near certainties to make it a ninth title in a row should play resume, at 98.87%.

That leaves Rangers with just a 1.13% chance of claiming their first major trophy since 2011.

Hearts have a 43% chance of being relegated
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Hearts have a 43% chance of being relegated
Hearts currently sit four points adrift of Hamilton Accies in the relegation spot as the SPFL await further instruction today from Uefa about the way forward for domestic leagues across the country.

So it is no surprise that they are favourites to go down, but the Euro Club Index modelling gives them a 43.18% chance of finishing bottom, compared to 32.72% for Accies, 16.34% for St Mirren and 7.5% for Ross County.


As for the top and bottom six, the mathematical modelling suggests that it will stay the same as the table currently stands right now.

Aberdeen, however, are forecast to leapfrog Motherwell and clinch third spot and the resultant Europa League space.

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While seventh-place St Johnstone have a game in hand on Hibernian which could see them jump above them into the top six, the Perth team's chances of finishing in the top six are just 29.33%, with Kilmarnock only 13.76%.

Gary Holt's impressive Livingston side are 89.45% to secure a top six place for the first time since 2002.

[weecounty hibby]

Hard to argue with statistics. Celtic win the league, Hibs stay 6th and the tarts get relegated. It's the only thing that makes sense. Make it happen SPFL!!!

[Onion]

Hard to argue with statistics. Celtic win the league, Hibs stay 6th and the tarts get relegated. It's the only thing that makes sense. Make it happen SPFL!!!

Edinburgh Festival for Aug/Sept now cancelled, adding to the growing list of major events to be rightly and sensibly cancelled. But the SFA still think that they might be able to hold football matches in June or July or Aug, just to avoid having to make a decision that might upset a couple of clubs :greengrin

[Ozyhibby]

Edinburgh Festival for Aug/Sept now cancelled, adding to the growing list of major events to be rightly and sensibly cancelled. But the SFA still think that they might be able to hold football matches in June or July or Aug, just to avoid having to make a decision that might upset a couple of clubs :greengrin

I think football will begin in August as normal. By then there will be a full test and trace system in operation.
Normal life will resume. Right decision to cancel the festival though. It probably would have been poorly attended and a lot of acts would not been there due to the fact that they can’t rehearse etc now. International travel may still be curtailed as well.


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[Since452]

Hard to argue with statistics. Celtic win the league, Hibs stay 6th and the tarts get relegated. It's the only thing that makes sense. Make it happen SPFL!!!

This

[CockneyRebel]

[QUOTE=Ozyhibby;6132144]I think football will begin in August as normal. By then there will be a full test and trace system in operation.
Normal life will resume. Right decision to cancel the festival though. It probably would have been poorly attended and a lot of acts would not been there due to the fact that they can’t rehearse etc now. International travel may still be curtailed as well.


I'd bet my granny's false gnashers that that won't happen.

[Billy Whizz]

When are Fifa/UEFA meeting up, to announce what’s happening next?

[GreenNWhiteArmy]

I feel FIFA/UEFA are hanging associations out to dry here tbh. Surely we'll need a consistent approach across football? Otherwise those with the financial muscle (in scotland that's only really The Rantic) will challenge a decision made by the SFA if other FA's are doing it differently?

They need to come out with proposals for each option as well as addressing the issue of contracts to put clubs/supporters at ease. Say if we cant get up and running by date x then the season will be declared as-is/null and void and keep it consistent across the board

I'm also not adverse to an expanded league, I am however against the format being suggested

[Ozyhibby]

When are Fifa/UEFA meeting up, to announce what’s happening next?

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200401/f0b2950fa9408083e0bc3ebad23e8192.plist
Decisions starting to filter out?


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[lord bunberry]

UEFA announce that all leagues must be finished by June 30th.


edit it’s August 3rd.

[G B Young]

Premier League starting to take some deserved flak:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52120578

The fact they're still sticking to a mythical April 30th restart sums up how consumed by money the whole set-up is.

[G B Young]

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SLIM TO NONE Rangers ‘have just a ONE per cent mathematical chance’ of overhauling Celtic to win SPFL title, new data suggests
David Fowler
1 Apr 2020, 11:48
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RANGERS have just a one per cent mathematical chance of winning the Scottish Premiership this season, it has been reported.

Football statistics company Euro Club Index have crunched the numbers for BBC Scotland to provide a scientific prediction of the remainder of the Scottish campaign - and it makes for grim viewing for followers of the Ibrox club.

Rangers are rated huge outsiders to beat Celtic to title
WILLIE VASS - THE SUN
Rangers are rated huge outsiders to beat Celtic to title
While they trailed Celtic by 13 points with a game in hand when the coronavirus pandemic called an early halt to the Premiership campaign, Steven Gerrard's side were able to cling to hope with two Old Firm matches still to come.

But with 27 points theoretically still up for grabs, the data from Euro Club Index suggest that this is a forlorn hope.


Boosted by their remarkable league form in 2020 of nine wins and a draw - which has also given them a superior goal difference of 25 over their Glasgow rivals - they are made near certainties to make it a ninth title in a row should play resume, at 98.87%.

That leaves Rangers with just a 1.13% chance of claiming their first major trophy since 2011.

Hearts have a 43% chance of being relegated
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Hearts have a 43% chance of being relegated
Hearts currently sit four points adrift of Hamilton Accies in the relegation spot as the SPFL await further instruction today from Uefa about the way forward for domestic leagues across the country.

So it is no surprise that they are favourites to go down, but the Euro Club Index modelling gives them a 43.18% chance of finishing bottom, compared to 32.72% for Accies, 16.34% for St Mirren and 7.5% for Ross County.


As for the top and bottom six, the mathematical modelling suggests that it will stay the same as the table currently stands right now.

Aberdeen, however, are forecast to leapfrog Motherwell and clinch third spot and the resultant Europa League space.

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While seventh-place St Johnstone have a game in hand on Hibernian which could see them jump above them into the top six, the Perth team's chances of finishing in the top six are just 29.33%, with Kilmarnock only 13.76%.

Gary Holt's impressive Livingston side are 89.45% to secure a top six place for the first time since 2002.

Definitely sounds from this that Hearts could have few complaints about being relegated:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52054235

[Since452]

Wimbledon cancelled now. Why don't they just call the season as is and end it?

[Heisenberg]

Wimbledon cancelled now. Why don't they just call the season as is and end it?

It’s beginning to look like it’ll be next season being more heavily affected to account for this season being finished first.

[Ozyhibby]

It’s beginning to look like it’ll be next season being more heavily affected to account for this season being finished first.

Where have you seen this? I think there is zero chance of this happening?


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[Saint Hibee]

Can somebody please just relegate Hearts and be done with it? All of these complex permutations are making my brain hurt.

[Waxy]

It’s beginning to look like it’ll be next season being more heavily affected to account for this season being finished first.

Think thats how its going to have to be.
Next season finish late next again season a bit earlier and so on till we get back on line.
The games will have to be played as the money has to come in.

[Ozyhibby]

Think thats how its going to have to be.
Next season finish late next again season a bit earlier and so on till we get back on line.
The games will have to be played as the money has to come in.

Next season can’t finish late because of Euro 2021.


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[Heisenberg]

Where have you seen this? I think there is zero chance of this happening?


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I’m just guessing tbf. They keep postponing continually instead of having to make a decision. All the chat has been about trying to finish seasons no matter what, mainly from down south.

[weecounty hibby]

Just relegate the team who has been the worst, not just this season but for more than the last 12 months. Honestly I would be saying that even if it were Hamilton or St Mirren (obviously not us tho😀) although it is a huge bonus that it's the tarts!! Just stop ****ing about. They are total dug***** and have been for ages they deserve to drop

[Pinkie]

Just relegate the team who has been the worst, not just this season but for more than the last 12 months. Honestly I would be saying that even if it were Hamilton or St Mirren (obviously not us tho😀) although it is a huge bonus that it's the tarts!! Just stop ****ing about. They are total dug***** and have been for ages they deserve to drop

Very well put. Relegate them now. If not for the sake of sporting integrity, then at least in the cause of natural justice. And I'm entirely impartial (cough) on this.

[007]

I like this guy's thinking. Give them an ultimatum and see how they like it.

https://www.heraldscotland.com/sport/18348611.hearts-told-quit-spfl-cant-accept-relegation-ruling/

[theonlywayisup]

I think those expecting Hertz to be relegated will be very disappointed.

My gut feel is that the 2019/20 season will be finished based on the current league position, confirmed pretty soon.

However, I also think the the chances of us or any other European league playing a full league season in 2020/21 to be very remote. So an alternative would be expanding the league but playing less games or playing it more as a 'champion league' style competition for one season only. The 'champion league' style competition could be a number of groups with all Scottish League teams entering at the same stage; the top two progressing to play in the upper leagues, with the rest playing in the lower leagues. No idea how it would work, but it could be changeable depending on how long it takes before we return to normal.

[Kato]

I like this guy's thinking. Give them an ultimatum and see how they like it.

https://www.heraldscotland.com/sport/18348611.hearts-told-quit-spfl-cant-accept-relegation-ruling/Are they relegated yet?

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[A Hi-Bee]

Its just so ****in easy relegate them now.

[Real Emerald]

I think those expecting Hertz to be relegated will be very disappointed.

My gut feel is that the 2019/20 season will be finished based on the current league position, confirmed pretty soon.

However, I also think the the chances of us or any other European league playing a full league season in 2020/21 to be very remote. So an alternative would be expanding the league but playing less games or playing it more as a 'champion league' style competition for one season only. The 'champion league' style competition could be a number of groups with all Scottish League teams entering at the same stage; the top two progressing to play in the upper leagues, with the rest playing in the lower leagues. No idea how it would work, but it could be changeable depending on how long it takes before we return to normal.

You would lose the TV deal and completely compromise ST sales by doing that. No one has any idea of when this will be over but trying to get a full season next year fitted in is very important. We don’t want to mess up 2 seasons for the sake of trying to find a way out of this one. We may have to scrap the cups and winter break but the league season has to be as normal as possible. This season is finished, placings should be finished as they are and next season set to go ahead as agreed with the same number of clubs. Reconstruction is maybe a good thing but needs to be properly thought out with sponsorship backing, not to save an overspending, bloated Hearts who’ve already used all their luck surviving their other very recent. gross cheating debacle.

[Waxy]

I think those expecting Hertz to be relegated will be very disappointed.

My gut feel is that the 2019/20 season will be finished based on the current league position, confirmed pretty soon.

However, I also think the the chances of us or any other European league playing a full league season in 2020/21 to be very remote. So an alternative would be expanding the league but playing less games or playing it more as a 'champion league' style competition for one season only. The 'champion league' style competition could be a number of groups with all Scottish League teams entering at the same stage; the top two progressing to play in the upper leagues, with the rest playing in the lower leagues. No idea how it would work, but it could be changeable depending on how long it takes before we return to normal.

The only solution is to finish it no matter how long it takes.Clubs have budgeted for these games and it would be better to play it out for numerous reasons.
Uefa and the leagues are favouring this already.

[Ozyhibby]

The only solution is to finish it no matter how long it takes.Clubs have budgeted for these games and it would be better to play it out for numerous reasons.
Uefa and the leagues are favouring this already.

Clubs have no money to finish these games. If next season is delayed many clubs will go bust.
Have you ever heard anyone serious from Scottish football suggest this?


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[GlesgaeHibby]

The season isn't getting finished. Clubs want time for a pre season before playing again, given training is off due to lockdown.

That won't be until at least June. Just a question of null and void Vs finish as per current positions.

[MWHIBBIES]

The season isn't getting finished. Clubs want time for a pre season before playing again, given training is off due to lockdown.

That won't be until at least June. Just a question of null and void Vs finish as per current positions.

Voiding the season should not be an option. Finish it or end it. Preferably finish it and that is looking most likely in the top leagues. Embarrassing if they finish and we don't. Should be aiming to finish if at all possible.

[Ozyhibby]

Voiding the season should not be an option. Finish it or end it. Preferably finish it and that is looking most likely in the top leagues. Embarrassing if they finish and we don't. Should be aiming to finish if at all possible.

It’s not possible.


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[Springbank]

It's a trade-off

A season can be voided BUT sponsors and TV companies wont cough up if it is voided

Or you can get sponsors money by concluding the season (either by declaring current league placings are final, for relegation, trophies & europe - or by actually playing the remainder of the season later in 2020)

There are no circumstances where sponsors pay out on a voided season, so if hearts or rangers are going bust then they need to accept hearts relegation & 9in a row for Celtic as the price they pay to get a cash injection from the league sponsors and broadcasters.

That's the tweet.

[MWHIBBIES]

It’s not possible.


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You keep saying that but it's not true. If it was true the decision would've already been made.

[Ozyhibby]

You keep saying that but it's not true. If it was true the decision would've already been made.

That decision has been made. Nobody in Scottish football is seriously considering playing the rest of the season out. All that is being debated now is how to declare this season.


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[MWHIBBIES]

That decision has been made. Nobody in Scottish football is seriously considering playing the rest of the season out. All that is being debated now is how to declare this season.


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So it hasn't been made then.

I don't really think it's impossible. Plenty of leagues are going to finish. Plenty of them with less resources than ours.

[Paul1642]

I suspect they will call the season complete on current positions, Celtic and Dundee united champions, hearts bottom however no promotion or relegation. Just a hunch. We have seen in previous years (was it Motherwell bottom and Falkirk top) that promotion and relegation is not a must.

[hfc rd]

I suspect they will call the season complete on current positions, Celtic and Dundee united champions, hearts bottom however no promotion or relegation. Just a hunch. We have seen in previous years (was it Motherwell bottom and Falkirk top) that promotion and relegation is not a must.

Might be wrong but if I remember correctly, Falkirk were denied promotion that year because their stadium didn’t fit the SPL criteria.

[Johnny_Leith]

Hearts are, and always have been, the luckiest team in history.

They always get away with murder by the skin of their teeth and this scenario is no different. They'll escape relegation without a ball being kicked.

[Greencore]

I suspect they will call the season complete on current positions, Celtic and Dundee united champions, hearts bottom however no promotion or relegation. Just a hunch. We have seen in previous years (was it Motherwell bottom and Falkirk top) that promotion and relegation is not a must.

It was Aberdeen who were bottom.

[hfc rd]

It was Aberdeen who were bottom.

Don’t know what season you are referring to?

I think the poster was referring to 2002/03 which Motherwell finished bottom but weren’t relegated.

[Since452]

Don’t know what season you are referring to?

I think the poster was referring to 2002/03 which Motherwell finished bottom but weren’t relegated.

Aberdeen finished bottom in 2000 but weren't relegated due to a combination of league reconstruction and Falkirk not meeting the stadium criteria to be promoted

[Waxy]

Hearts are, and always have been, the luckiest team in history.

They always get away with murder by the skin of their teeth and this scenario is no different. They'll escape relegation without a ball being kicked.

No they wont.When football restarts it will be from where it left off.Too mich of a minefield doing anything else and its the least disruptive scenario.The give and take bit is we might have to allow another transfer window.
Thats the trade off and im sure we could all live with that.

If i had the choice i’d just call it now and relegate the bottom club and kick off next season with the playoffs instead of the league cup.

[GlesgaeHibby]

So it hasn't been made then.

I don't really think it's impossible. Plenty of leagues are going to finish. Plenty of them with less resources than ours.

It's not going to be finished. After a pre season run to get fitness back, the earliest it would start back is July. That is not going to happen.

[Ozyhibby]

No they wont.When football restarts it will be from where it left off.Too mich of a minefield doing anything else and its the least disruptive scenario.The give and take bit is we might have to allow another transfer window.
Thats the trade off and im sure we could all live with that.

If i had the choice i’d just call it now and relegate the bottom club and kick off next season with the playoffs instead of the league cup.

So if we can’t get started till August, you think that we will finish this season first? And not start the new league until October?


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[Waxy]

So if we can’t get started till August, you think that we will finish this season first? And not start the new league until October?


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkWell what if it goes further and we cant get started till september/october? You couldnt fit next season in either and would have to run late.
Whats the difference with this season running late?

[theonlywayisup]

So if we can’t get started till August, you think that we will finish this season first? And not start the new league until October?


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I think we're both on the same page, there's no chance at all that the 2019/20 season will ever be finished. To do so will mean that there's little chance of a 2020/21 season being finished as per the current format.

My suggestion is that the 2020/21 season format must be flexible to accommodate a late start to the season, which might not be until late Autumn / early Winter. There's no way that we're going to have a 38 game Premiership next season, so alternatives must be found.

[Danderhall Hibs]

So it hasn't been made then.

I don't really think it's impossible. Plenty of leagues are going to finish. Plenty of them with less resources than ours.

I think Ozy’s right - they’ve made the decision that the season won’t be finished. What’s not been decided is if this season is null and void or if they call it as it stands.

They’re probably checking contracts (BT and Sky) and talking to the clubs to get an agreement. If it wasn’t all about 9 in a row the decision would’ve been made by now.

[green day]

If it wasn’t all about 9 in a row the decision would’ve been made by now.

Indeed, Global Crisis or not, Scottish Football only cares about two clubs.

[Ozyhibby]

Well what if it goes further and we cant get started till september/october? You couldnt fit next season in either and would have to run late.
Whats the difference with this season running late?

Clubs get no money in until next season gets started. There is very little money left in finishing this season.
Next seasons TV deal is double what this seasons was and that’s already spent anyway. The clubs will do nothing to jeopardise that TV deal. They want next season to be completed in full so that they receive the full amount.
Why risk having to cut short next season just to finish this one? Disrupt two seasons instead of one? It just won’t happen.
This season is finished. No other games will be played. The Scottish Cup May get finished in Autumn but that is it.
I’m 100% sure that we won’t play any more league games for this season.
I’m not sure of how they declare the league, whether it’s null and void or as it is now. I’m 90% sure it will be as it is now.
Whether Hearts get relegated depends on if they are stupid enough to go for re-construction. I’m only 50% sure they won’t do that.



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[we are hibs]

People are seriously deluding themselves if they think the current season will be completed. Absolutely zero chance. Too many complications.

[JohnM1875]

People are seriously deluding themselves if they think the current season will be completed. Absolutely zero chance. Too many complications.

Totally agree. Though the longer it goes on the less confident I am of there being any relegation. Which is infuriating!

[Keith_M]

I actually wouldn't mind if they decided to resume this season at some point in the future, and played the remaining eight games.


But ONLY if they enforced a strict ruling whereby a team could only field players if they were in the squad for the current season, i.e. no new signings allowed.

[Since452]

If they declare Celtic champions they need to relegate Hearts or sporting integrity comes in to it. Can't say crowning Celtic champions is fair then say relegating Hearts isn't.

Voiding wouldn't work for me. 80% of the season completed and too much monetary, emotional and physical effort has been put into it to say it doesn't count.

The SPFL/SFA or whoever shouldn't be deciding it. It should go to a vote to all the member clubs with the majority winning.

Why restructure the leagues? Overcomplicate something that is simple. Mind you wouldn't surprise me.

[Lago]

Indeed, Global Crisis or not, Scottish Football only cares about two clubs.
Has always been so and will always remain so. And let's face it they are the only clubs people from outside Scotland know about.