What would be the most acceptable way to conclude this season?

[hibbydog]

They’ll never end it now, or void it. Both are really unfair for obvious reasons.

I can see there being no sports until around July, so finish the 8 league fixtures over a 6 week period.

Finish the Scottish Cup too, we’ve worked hard to reach the last 4 and we can win it.


To compensate, no league cup group stages and play only 3 rounds of fixtures in next season.

Can’t see there being room to meet all fixtures sadly.

This gives ample opportunity for Hearts to get relegated fair and square 😎

[Ozyhibby]

They’ll never end it now, or void it. Both are really unfair for obvious reasons.

I can see there being no sports until around July, so finish the 8 league fixtures over a 6 week period.

Finish the Scottish Cup too, we’ve worked hard to reach the last 4 and we can win it.


To compensate, no league cup group stages and play only 3 rounds of fixtures in next season.

Can’t see there being room to meet all fixtures sadly.

This gives ample opportunity for Hearts to get relegated fair and square [emoji41]

And all the clubs cut their season ticket prices for next season? And survive on no income until September? You can surely see why that won’t happen?


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[Ozyhibby]

https://www.sportslawbulletin.org/coronavirus-sport-law-frustration-and-force-majeure/


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[Waxy]

They’ll never end it now, or void it. Both are really unfair for obvious reasons.

I can see there being no sports until around July, so finish the 8 league fixtures over a 6 week period.

Finish the Scottish Cup too, we’ve worked hard to reach the last 4 and we can win it.


To compensate, no league cup group stages and play only 3 rounds of fixtures in next season.

Can’t see there being room to meet all fixtures sadly.

This gives ample opportunity for Hearts to get relegated fair and square 😎
Whatever happens it has to be played out. Certainly cant just cancel a season and it would be unfair to just stop it with placings standing (as much as we’d like that).
Has to be fair. It Must continue where it left off.

[James Stephen]

Are you mainly thinking it’s to do with contracts ?

What about all the teams down south in Championship trying to get to Premier League. They will be law suits all over the place.

Add in the Scottish League where 2 teams have played less games than others and really we could finish bottom 6.

I’m all for sending the yams down but I just think the bigger picture - they will try find a way to get games played.

I think teams down south are in a weaker position, as premier league and football league are two different competitions run by two different bodies.

I think premier league teams would be less bothered about being fair to the leagues below and would cancel relegation, or at least reduce it.

[James Stephen]

Why does that need decided tonight? or next week? When there is only predictions on how things may or may not go.

Next season when everyone is on equal footing the season can be altered if starts late and it can be agreed on way forward.

So you are then disrupting two seasons, not just one - im not sure i see the logic in that.

Particuarly when there is a good chance of this illness returning and causing problems again in the autumn winter.

Also, we can't just wait about because teams need to plan, they need financial info for budgets for next season, they need to know when pre season starts or finishes, players need holidays and breaks from training, lower league clubs will need to know if they are going to lose income from a curtailed league cup next season, players need to know who they are signing for, clubs need to know who they will have to play.

Will clubs be able to sign and release players, lose and have loan players back? How would that be fair if Hearts coupd have a new manager and an entire new first team with which to play the remaining 8 matches?

What if as we are about to kick off again, a team has to go into self isolation?

Football struggles with its calendar as it is, i dont see where we can practically fit 8 games plus three huge cup matches, while we are in the middle of an epidemic that will kill thousands, see the NHS swamped and see nornal society grind to a halt for a few months.

[James Stephen]

Anyone saying it should end now as it is would you honestly say that if Hibs were bottom of league with 9 games to go?

Thats why its not left to individual clubs or their fans to decide.

Hearts will feel agrieved, rangers will pretend they are to save face with their fans, but every other club would, i think accept it.

There is NO solution that doesnt involve compromise, rejigging and upheaval, that option doesnt exist.

[RoYO!]

The null and void option is categorically the worst of all. The blood, sweat and tears that have gone in to the 30 games so far have to count for something.

If it takes till 2022 to play 8 games then so be it. If it is as bad as that then we'll all have more to worry about..

Closed door games if need be. Teams in isolation in the run up to these games. Medical professionals living with the teams and taking baseline readings and constant checks. They'd be in the safest position of all of us!

Then for 90 minutes twice a week they do the business. After 4 weeks we're done.

Use the amazon model of kick off times. Income from pay per view. Which may just be enough to keep some clubs afloat.

I'd happily chuck in a few quid to see who ever is beating hertz that week do the business! :)

No easy option, no option without its flaws.

[danhibees1875]

Anyone saying it should end now as it is would you honestly say that if Hibs were bottom of league with 9 games to go?

Absolutely. I suspect most hearts fans feel it's the fairest way also. :greengrin

I don't think there should be any decision taken any time soon to be honest. Sit on it and wait to see how things develop.

[GreenCastle]

https://www.sportslawbulletin.org/coronavirus-sport-law-frustration-and-force-majeure/


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This is why I think they will find a way to extend the season.

Cutting it short will have too many legal issues.

They need to agree contracts / sponsors etc run until this 2019/2020 is completed - yes players contracts are due to finish end of May but they are covered till end of the “season”.

Not playing games and no relegation / playoffs / sharing prize money nonsense will cause more hassle and issues than it’s worth - while football losing lots of credibility.

I think in future something will be firmly written into the rules to cover another potential issue like this so they know how to act.

[Cyborg Ninja]

Conclude the season as it stands now, relegation & promotion of teams carries on. Hearts have shown they are p1sh all year tbh.
Cup games, play them in June/July after outbreak is away & conclude the cup.

Fans should expect to write off the last of their season ticket for this season.

Avoid pushing anything into next seasons timeframe as that will become a right clusterfu(k. Tv rights, season ticket pricing, everything will be renegotiated & argued.

[hibbyfraelibby]

One day penalty shoot out at a closed door fixture at Hampden to settle all remaining games.

Everyone has a sporting chance!

Except us...we cannae score a penalty for love nor money😁

[James Stephen]

English FA chair doesnt think the season will start again
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/fa-chief-greg-clarke-fears-the-season-will-not-finish-c57rs2mbq?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1584122887

[Caversham Green]

There's no absolutely fair way of solving the problem, so they have to consider what the least unfair solution is. I agree with Captain Trips that right now is too early to decide the best way forward - wait a few weeks to get a better idea of how it's all going to pan out. IMO the order of 'fairness' would be:

Play out the season when it becomes possible. If that means teams using players signed within the transfer window so be it and if Hearts can buy their way out of trouble fine - it will cause them problems further down the line. It's no different from the days when there was no transfer window.

If/When the above becomes impossible play out the remaining three/four games before the split (behind closed doors if necessary) - at least each team will have played all the other teams the same number of times.

If that's also not viable close the season and declare the positions as they stand. On no account should the season be declared null and void - there is absolutely no sporting integrity in that course of action.

We need to bear in mind that pretty much everyone on the planet is going to have to make provisions and Scottish football is of miniscule importance in the grand scheme of things - clubs will have to make plans and cope as best they can just like everyone else.

Finally I find the celebrations of Hearts potentially going down on this side and potentially staying up on the dark side because of a deadly pandemic somewhat sickening - people are going to die in their thousands FFS. Football doesn't really matter in times like this.

[green day]

We need to bear in mind that pretty much everyone on the planet is going to have to make provisions and Scottish football is of miniscule importance in the grand scheme of things - clubs will have to make plans and cope as best they can just like everyone else.

I agree.

I suspect that almost every league in Europe will defer to EUFA on this for direction (I think that they will want all countries - as much as possible - to have similar outcomes to leagues and hence qualification for European competition, such as it may be, next season), time for EUFA to earn their corn...........

I do not think they will declare anything null and void, certainly not at this point, much will depend on how the spread of the virus plays out across the continent over the coming weeks / months and I think they will kick the ball down the road for a while.

[CockneyRebel]

There's no absolutely fair way of solving the problem, so they have to consider what the least unfair solution is. I agree with Captain Trips that right now is too early to decide the best way forward - wait a few weeks to get a better idea of how it's all going to pan out. IMO the order of 'fairness' would be:

Play out the season when it becomes possible. If that means teams using players signed within the transfer window so be it and if Hearts can buy their way out of trouble fine - it will cause them problems further down the line. It's no different from the days when there was no transfer window.

If/When the above becomes impossible play out the remaining three/four games before the split (behind closed doors if necessary) - at least each team will have played all the other teams the same number of times.

If that's also not viable close the season and declare the positions as they stand. On no account should the season be declared null and void - there is absolutely no sporting integrity in that course of action.

We need to bear in mind that pretty much everyone on the planet is going to have to make provisions and Scottish football is of miniscule importance in the grand scheme of things - clubs will have to make plans and cope as best they can just like everyone else.

Finally I find the celebrations of Hearts potentially going down on this side and potentially staying up on the dark side because of a deadly pandemic somewhat sickening - people are going to die in their thousands FFS. Football doesn't really matter in times like this.


Pretty level headed assessment but on a juvenile level I still want THEM to go down. sorry. You must be a better man than me Gunga Din.

[Captain Trips]

Doesn’t matter, I think it has to end now because it can’t be played.


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Who said it can't be played? You?

[Greenfly]

A team dropping out league that has 27pts available for starters. You Think the bottom 3 teams in EPL will just accept relegation and lose millions? you think the teams in 3rd,4th 5th,6th in English championship will accept losing out on a chance at promotion? And in all the other leagues where teams go up and down.

There is only one way and that's to finish it and that is exactly what will happen.


Of course I don't think any of these things. I wonder if we're talking about two different things?

Points average simply means accounting for the number of games played to level out the unfairness in one team having extra points because they've played a couple of games more. If you have 20 points from ten games you've averaged 2 points per game. If you've got 18 points but have only played 9 games then you also average 2 per game. Take a look at the positions you've mentioned above and do the arithmetic. Who are the teams losing millions and accepting relegation as a result?

[Caversham Green]

Pretty level headed assessment but on a juvenile level I still want THEM to go down. sorry. You must be a better man than me Gunga Din.

Don't get me wrong, I want them to go down too. I just find the 'Yippee a worldwide crisis means Hearts will be relegated' stuff a bit disgusting. Even more so there's some in the Keechbag going 'Thank god for coronavirus it means Hearts won't be relegated'. That really is as low as you can get IMO.

[Captain Trips]

Of course I don't think any of these things. I wonder if we're talking about two different things?

Points average simply means accounting for the number of games played to level out the unfairness in one team having extra points because they've played a couple of games more. If you have 20 points from ten games you've averaged 2 points per game. If you've got 18 points but have only played 9 games then you also average 2 per game. Take a look at the positions you've mentioned above and do the arithmetic. Who are the teams losing millions and accepting relegation as a result?

EPL teams

[Greenfly]

EPL teams


Which ones?

[NORTHERNHIBBY]

Not sure if UEFA have overall authority for this but there might be an imposed solution

[MagicSwirlingShip]

Not sure if UEFA have overall authority for this but there might be an imposed solution

I’d imagine If they do impose one, it will suit the major players in UEFA and the rest will be told to fall in line

[bigwheel]

Here’s one suggestion - why don’t they simply play the play offs (using existing league positions ) ..

Bottom two in top league play home and away to decide who gets relegated ..then the play offs happen as normal ..

Could do it for each league ...

[Captain Trips]

Which ones?

The bottom ones.

[Greenfly]

Not sure if UEFA have overall authority for this but there might be an imposed solution


I think this is right. I think the national association is sovereign in a legal sense, with UEFA being more of a confederation but every Nat Assoc in Europe will be looking to UEFA for guidance and some kind of ruling, partly for consistency and partly to get them off the hook.

[HIBERNIAN-0762]

Celtic to win the league natch and the charity thieves to be relegated, it's the only way in my book 😏🤞

[Greenfly]

The bottom ones.
Do the sums - it wouldn't change any of them - none!

[Antifa Hibs]

Void the Scottish Cup.

Finish the league. Just play behind closed doors, use training centres if needed, doesn't need to be a stadium if no fans. The big teams could use their own training academies, Hearts could ask Heriot Watt hockey team if they can borrow the pitch for the day. You could finish the league in about 3 weeks if playing every 3 days or so:
Week 1: Monday - Wed - Sunday
Week 2: Tuesday - Thursday
Week 3 - Monday - Wed - Sunday

Televise the bigger games. Share the TV/prize money a bit more fairly as a one-off to help compensate clubs. Job done.

[bigwheel]

Void the Scottish Cup.

Finish the league. Just play behind closed doors, use training centres if needed, doesn't need to be a stadium if no fans. The big teams could use their own training academies, Hearts could ask Heriot Watt hockey team if they can borrow the pitch for the day. You could finish the league in about 3 weeks if playing every 3 days or so:
Week 1: Monday - Wed - Sunday
Week 2: Tuesday - Thursday
Week 3 - Monday - Wed - Sunday

Televise the bigger games. Share the TV/prize money a bit more fairly as a one-off to help compensate clubs. Job done.

Too much risk to players to finish the league imo...many teams will be impacted by players being sick during this period too ..

Season is over in my view - only decision will be is it void - or will Positions stand ??

[Captain Trips]

Do the sums - it wouldn't change any of them - none!

You do the sums there are more points available if these teams win their games so your idea is nonsense and will not happen. Aston Villa could per say get over 27pts if won all their games.

All the teams at bottom could gain enough points to be out relegation. So there will be no average.

[FilipinoHibs]

Hearts relegated and we win the cup.

[Lancs Harp]

Ive just sorted our Cup semi final on my Subbuteo table, we beat Hearts 13-0.

Celtic (curently paying as Peru as I dont have a Celtc team) are beating Aberdeen 4-2.

[Dan Sarf]

Ive just sorted our Cup semi final on my Subbuteo table, we beat Hearts 13-0.

Celtic (curently paying as Peru as I dont have a Celtc team) are beating Aberdeen 4-2.


By far the most sensible suggestion so far.

Slightly concerned though, to hear that you actually have a Hearts Subbuteo team.

[Since452]

I really can't see the season restarting.

[Malthibby]

Celtic to win the league natch and the charity thieves to be relegated, it's the only way in my book 😏🤞

Yup, I would of course be gutted for our dear neighbours :bye: but it's the only way to ensure the maintenance of sporting integrity, no matter how painful.

[Hibbyradge]

I've just skimmed the last 3 pages because the arguments are just repetitive.
Everyone is arguing about the best way to deal with an unprecedented situation, and everyone has their favourite solution.

To be fair, each solution has its own merits but the final decision will be only be taken once we're in a position to start playing football again. No-one knows when that might be, no-one.

What people seem to have forgotten, is that some football players may be seriously at risk from this virus.

While we're banging on about players' contracts and rescheduling fixtures, we're missing the point that some club employees might become seriously ill.

I'll leave it at that.

[Lancs Harp]

By far the most sensible suggestion so far.

Slightly concerned though, to hear that you actually have a Hearts Subbuteo team.

Was actually red and white like Nottingham Forest, was sort of close enough. They attempted to kick us off the park (currently have three players requiring bostik treatment), but we just had too much for them. I've passed a match report onto to Jack.

[Potty78]

Somehow play the 3 games left before the split meaning each team have played each other 3 times. Hearts have three games to stay up and with there record it means they are doon especially if we beat saints and perhaps give accies a point. Being honest I think they will just void the lot if it goes on the next few weeks. I work in a school am more worried about that. No sure I could handle more time off!

[Unseen work]

Either finish the season now with every club in their current positions then play the play offs.

Or

Play games behind closed doors up to the split, at which point the season ends and we have the play offs.

Season certainly shouldn’t be void imo.

[The 90+2]

Would rangers actually want the season and European fixtures to become void? They would lose loads through Europa league prize money plus the co-officiant which has two champions league places for Scotland from 2021 would be scrapped too.

[hibeerealist]

There's no absolutely fair way of solving the problem, so they have to consider what the least unfair solution is. I agree with Captain Trips that right now is too early to decide the best way forward - wait a few weeks to get a better idea of how it's all going to pan out. IMO the order of 'fairness' would be:

Play out the season when it becomes possible. If that means teams using players signed within the transfer window so be it and if Hearts can buy their way out of trouble fine - it will cause them problems further down the line. It's no different from the days when there was no transfer window.

If/When the above becomes impossible play out the remaining three/four games before the split (behind closed doors if necessary) - at least each team will have played all the other teams the same number of times.

If that's also not viable close the season and declare the positions as they stand. On no account should the season be declared null and void - there is absolutely no sporting integrity in that course of action.

We need to bear in mind that pretty much everyone on the planet is going to have to make provisions and Scottish football is of miniscule importance in the grand scheme of things - clubs will have to make plans and cope as best they can just like everyone else.

Finally I find the celebrations of Hearts potentially going down on this side and potentially staying up on the dark side because of a deadly pandemic somewhat sickening - people are going to die in their thousands FFS. Football doesn't really matter in times like this.

There is NO likelihood of games being played in the foreseeable future as this Pandemic is due to get far worse, so how long do we wait before making a decision that really can be taken now?

[Hibbyradge]

There is NO likelihood of games being played in the foreseeable future as this Pandemic is due to get far worse, so how long do we wait before making a decision that really can be taken now?

What's the rush?

[Caversham Green]

There is NO likelihood of games being played in the foreseeable future as this Pandemic is due to get far worse, so how long do we wait before making a decision that really can be taken now?

A few weeks as I said in the first line.

The whole point is that the future is not foreseeable in any meaningful way at the moment so there's no point in making a snap decision that might turn out to be the wrong one. If we wait those few weeks, when nothing's going to happen football-wise anyway, we lose nothing but we might be in a better position to assess the problem and make a more informed decision.

[The 90+2]

There is NO likelihood of games being played in the foreseeable future as this Pandemic is due to get far worse, so how long do we wait before making a decision that really can be taken now?

I think a decision will be made as soon as it can be so clubs will be helped to survive with prize money and be able to start selling season tickets. The longer it takes a decision to be made the more clubs will soon find themselves out of money.

[Lago]

What's the rush?
Thought you were leaving it back there? 🙄

[Hibbyradge]

Thought you were leaving it back there? 🙄

I was leaving the topic of club employees getting ill, there. I didn't want to spell it out.

[The 90+2]

A few weeks as I said in the first line.

The whole point is that the future is not foreseeable in any meaningful way at the moment so there's no point in making a snap decision that might turn out to be the wrong one. If we wait those few weeks, when nothing's going to happen football-wise anyway, we lose nothing but we might be in a better position to assess the problem and make a more informed decision.

Clubs will be losing money on a daily/weekly basis. The league/government/footballing bodies will have to do as much as possible to support clubs that could go to the wall. Early prize money would assist this. I would be in favour of voiding the Scottish cup and giving all
Prize money out to lower league sides.

[Caversham Green]

Clubs will be losing money on a daily/weekly basis. The league/government/footballing bodies will have to do as much as possible to support clubs that could go to the wall. Early prize money would assist this. I would be in favour of voiding the Scottish cup and giving all
Prize money out to lower league sides.

The base prize money is paid out monthly or quarterly during the season anyway - it's only the marginal placings bonus that has to wait until the end of the season and the clubs that need that most won't see much of it anyway. I agree with your point about voiding the cup - it actually feels a bit pointless anyway just now - maybe the funds should be made available as long-term interest free loans on a needs basis i.e. the clubs apply for it with supporting documentation to justify their claim.

[Ozyhibby]

Voiding the league won’t happen because it causes massive problems with prize money, UEFA spots, legal challenges etc.


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[Greenworld]

There is NO likelihood of games being played in the foreseeable future as this Pandemic is due to get far worse, so how long do we wait before making a decision that really can be taken now?The spfl could lessen the impact of noise from fans from teams by announcing now .
Option A
Option B
Depending on the circumstance , I know the feeling from within is to go with current standings .
Promotion and relegation obviously no play offs.
That sorts the European places out also.
Hearts have a poor record stretching back a calendar year now so there is no reason to believe the will suddenly improve.
I really dont think voiding the season when 75% through the season is an option.
Hopefully we dont need to do any of the above but it does not look good

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[Greenworld]

Voiding the league won’t happen because it causes massive problems with prize money, UEFA spots, legal challenges etc.


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[The Count]

Expand the league. Promote top 2 in championship, no relegation.

Yes if no more games played my guess would be Celtic champions with no relegation and top two teams in the chsmpionship promoted to give us a larger Premier League next year.

[NAE NOOKIE]

Be very interesting to see what they do

No qualms about giving cektic the titke

But hearts could still catch the others

Dundee utd skooshed championship so they will be in uproar if there's no promotion

Maybe no relegation and 2 up from championship
Play with 14 next year and 2 go down

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My take on it as well. Celtic have the league sewn up with no realistic chance of being caught even more so Dundee United. Any one of 4 clubs at the bottom of the premiership could still finish last, so much as it sticks in my craw it would be unfair to relegate Hearts with so many games still to play and lets face it they wouldn't be the first club saved by league reconstruction.

How you sort out the situation with the rest of the championship is the problem, from ICT to Arbroath they could all make a case that the play off spot was eminently possible for them .... somewhere down the line, whatever happens, somebody isn't going to be happy.

[Ozyhibby]

My take on it as well. Celtic have the league sewn up with no realistic chance of being caught even more so Dundee United. Any one of 4 clubs at the bottom of the premiership could still finish last, so much as it sticks in my craw it would be unfair to relegate Hearts with so many games still to play and lets face it they wouldn't be the first club saved by league reconstruction.

How you sort out the situation with the rest of the championship is the problem, from ICT to Arbroath they could all make a case that the play off spot was eminently possible for them .... somewhere down the line, whatever happens, somebody isn't going to be happy.

Every club in the premier league would have to lose money just to save Hearts? I’m not sure they will vote for that.


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[truehibernian]

Voiding the league won’t happen because it causes massive problems with prize money, UEFA spots, legal challenges etc.


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I agree - not only for football related reasons but lifestyle reasons. This (at present) is about containment and abatement and learning about the virus and its spread.

How many people will be in large retail parks and shopping centres today ? How many will be in pubs , restaurants, and nightclubs tonight ? How many will be at functions and shows ? We're still allowing school kids to attend school and some in Edinburgh have over 2000 kids and staff each day mixing with each other.

This is a common sense decision to take stock, see where things are from a public health point of view, and allow the medical experts to develop both a working strategy and hopefully a vaccine or methods to reduce risk, and for Government to restrict travel, etc.

The season will continue at some point.

[bigwheel]

What's the rush?

I think the contract status of players beyond May will be a complicating factor that will be part of the reasons that result in the games not being completed

[Hibbyradge]

I think the contract status of players beyond May will be a complicating factor that will be part of the reasons that result in the games not being completed

I agree, but we don't need to be making decisions in March based on very little information.

[bigwheel]

I agree, but we don't need to be making decisions in March based on very little information.

That’s is equally true ....a month from now will be a time when people have a whole lot more basis to make decisions ...[emoji106]

[Ozyhibby]

That’s is equally true ....a month from now will be a time when people have a whole lot more basis to make decisions ...[emoji106]

I think the SPFL need to put options on the table soon. Clubs need to know what is happening, do they send their players home, keep them in training every day etc. There needs to be a clear plan in place that allows all the options to be considered. We can’t have a situation where the spfl turns round and say, right everyone we are back next week. Getting elite athletes ready for competition can’t be done without planning.


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[bigwheel]

I think the SPFL need to put options on the table soon. Clubs need to know what is happening, do they send their players home, keep them in training every day etc. There needs to be a clear plan in place that allows all the options to be considered. We can’t have a situation where the spfl turns round and say, right everyone we are back next week. Getting elite athletes ready for competition can’t be done without planning.


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I can understand that, there will be a clamour for clarity from clubs and fans ..could well result in early
Decisions

I also think within a few weeks clubs will likely know this season is over ..and to prepare for next season ...

[Deansy]

Relegate hearts

According to one of our chums over on 'Throw-back' legally Hearts can't be relegated -

https://www.hmfckickback.co.uk/index.php?/topic/188049-they-cant-relegate-us-legally/


Legally speaking, they cannot relegate us. If we take a step back from being fans for a moment and realise that Hearts is a business and we have 24 points to play for and are only 6 points away from absolute safety and 4 points away from a play-off place, it would be totally inequitable to relegate a team under these circumstances and consequentially cause significant economic loss. It would be a law-suit waiting to happen. If they end the league and relegate us there is no doubt in my mind that this would be seen as an unfair punishment on Hearts - regardless of current league form. It is highly unlikely that there are rules governing this predicament but they are not needed in this situation for Hearts, or whoever else, to prevail. Whether the SFA take legal advice on this issue is another question.


Yeah, played ***** all year but somehow it'd be 'seen as unfair' ??




Clubs will be losing money on a daily/weekly basis. The league/government/footballing bodies will have to do as much as possible to support clubs that could go to the wall. Early prize money would assist this. I would be in favour of voiding the Scottish cup and giving all Prize money out to lower league sides.

Wonder how this is affecting the Hun - don't they need X-amount just to get through to the end of this season ??

[NAE NOOKIE]

Every club in the premier league would have to lose money just to save Hearts? I’m not sure they will vote for that.


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Obviously my take on this is based on the scenario that this season can't be concluded, not wow what an opportunity to save Hearts, or anybody else for that matter.

[jacomo]

Every club in the premier league would have to lose money just to save Hearts? I’m not sure they will vote for that.


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I’m baffled by how many people on here want to do hearts a favour.

I’m a fan of league reconstruction but it needs to be properly thought through - not rushed in an attempt to solve a different issue.

Stendel said earlier this week that Hearts we’re running out of time and that proved prescient. St Mirren was a must win game and they fluffed it.

Get them relegated.

[Ozyhibby]

Obviously my take on this is based on the scenario that this season can't be concluded, not wow what an opportunity to save Hearts, or anybody else for that matter.

By mid April we are going to be having hundreds a day dying. There is no way they will restart football in those circumstances. I think this season is over. The just need to make a decision on placings.
They will want a fresh start in August when new season ticket money is due in. They will not shorten next season or do anything to jeopardise that money coming in because it will be badly needed by then. They are losing enough this season.


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[James Stephen]

Lets not pretend that naked self interest wont come into this - football is the worst place in the world for it.

Karen Brady, whose terribly underperforming team are outside relegation zone on goal difference calling for the season to be voided rather than recommenced.

Hearts will of course try to get out of this, as Hibs would if it was them. There is no way out of this that will be fair and acceptable to all.

My rationale for finishing where teams currently are is (assuming no more matches can go ahead, which isnt certain of course) that it would be the most meritocratic way of doing things. Teams are where they deseve to be based on more than 3/4s of the games being played.

The whole point in the league is to determine sporting merit relative to other clubs in the league. Of course, it is not great that the season cant be completed, and i dont blame Hearts for fighting against it (any team in their position would), but current league placings seem to me to be the best, most accurate and most fair way of determining where each club is in the pecking order relative to their peers, and the best predictor of where they would finish if things had run their course. Simply put, having played 79% of league matches, each team is where they deserve to be

I agree that playing remaining games (even up to split) would be better, and if its possible that should happen, but i think it now highly unlikely that will be possible.

And lets not pretend Hibs dont lose out either, an unlikely charge at Livi and even Aberdeen wouldnt happen, and the small matter of losing a shot at making another scottish cup final and winning it again would be gone, along with the financial rewards that go with that.

[Ozyhibby]

Lets not pretend that naked self interest wont come into this - football is the worst place in the world for it.

Karen Brady, whose terribly underperforming team are outside relegation zone on goal difference calling for the season to be voided rather than recommenced.

Hearts will of course try to get out of this, as Hibs would if it was them. There is no way out of this that will be fair and acceptable to all.

My rationale for finishing where teams currently are is (assuming no more matches can go ahead, which isnt certain of course) that it would be the most meritocratic way of doing things. Teams are where they deseve to be based on more than 3/4s of the games being played.

The whole point in the league is to determine sporting merit relative to other clubs in the league. Of course, it is not great that the season cant be completed, and i dont blame Hearts for fighting against it (any team in their position would), but current league placings seem to me to be the best, most accurate and most fair way of determining where each club is in the pecking order relative to their peers, and the best predictor of where they would finish if things had run their course. Simply put, having played 79% of league matches, each team is where they deserve to be

I agree that playing remaining games (even up to split) would be better, and if its possible that should happen, but i think it now highly unlikely that will be possible.

And lets not pretend Hibs dont lose out either, an unlikely charge at Livi and even Aberdeen wouldnt happen, and the small matter of losing a shot at making another scottish cup final and winning it again would be gone, along with the financial rewards that go with that.

And we are denied the sight of Hearts fans in tears in the stands at Tynecastle the day they are relegated.


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[Lago]

I was leaving the topic of club employees getting ill, there. I didn't want to spell it out.
Not like you, your usually very wordy.

[NAE NOOKIE]

By mid April we are going to be having hundreds a day dying. There is no way they will restart football in those circumstances. I think this season is over. The just need to make a decision on placings.
They will want a fresh start in August when new season ticket money is due in. They will not shorten next season or do anything to jeopardise that money coming in because it will be badly needed by then. They are losing enough this season.


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Which is the biggest issue in all of this. Sporting integrity isn't going to matter a toss if the situation lasts too long, half the clubs in the UK live on, or pretty close to, a hand to mouth basis. I watched the CEO of Brighton on telly this morning studiously avoid a straight answer when asked if the EPL clubs have any plans to help the minnows if it comes to that being required.

We don't even have that option, its going to be every man for himself in Scotland. The big city clubs like us could probably just about survive a long term hit lasting months and so could clubs who don't particularly survive on gate money like Edinburgh City or Brechin for example. But the inbetween clubs like Motherwell or Kilmarnock could be in real trouble.

This could come down to going cap in hand to the Scottish government at some point .... we may even have to make a case for the cultural significance of football .... that would be interesting.

[Ozyhibby]

Which is the biggest issue in all of this. Sporting integrity isn't going to matter a toss if the situation lasts too long, half the clubs in the UK live on, or pretty close to, a hand to mouth basis. I watched the CEO of Brighton on telly this morning studiously avoid a straight answer when asked if the EPL clubs have any plans to help the minnows if it comes to that being required.

We don't even have that option, its going to be every man for himself in Scotland. The big city clubs like us could probably just about survive a long term hit lasting months and so could clubs who don't particularly survive on gate money like Edinburgh City or Brechin for example. But the inbetween clubs like Motherwell or Kilmarnock could be in real trouble.

This could come down to going cap in hand to the Scottish government at some point .... we may even have to make a case for the cultural significance of football .... that would be interesting.

Absolutely. This is a business that gets a lot of it’s money in at the start of a season. Any talk of delaying the start of a season is absolutely bonkers. It just won’t happen. Next season will start in August (pretty sure we won’t still be in lock down by then) no matter what. There will be no financial choice for the clubs.


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[Smartie]

According to one of our chums over on 'Throw-back' legally Hearts can't be relegated -

https://www.hmfckickback.co.uk/index.php?/topic/188049-they-cant-relegate-us-legally/


Legally speaking, they cannot relegate us. If we take a step back from being fans for a moment and realise that Hearts is a business and we have 24 points to play for and are only 6 points away from absolute safety and 4 points away from a play-off place, it would be totally inequitable to relegate a team under these circumstances and consequentially cause significant economic loss. It would be a law-suit waiting to happen. If they end the league and relegate us there is no doubt in my mind that this would be seen as an unfair punishment on Hearts - regardless of current league form. It is highly unlikely that there are rules governing this predicament but they are not needed in this situation for Hearts, or whoever else, to prevail. Whether the SFA take legal advice on this issue is another question.


Yeah, played ***** all year but somehow it'd be 'seen as unfair' ??





Wonder how this is affecting the Hun - don't they need X-amount just to get through to the end of this season ??

I suspect the gate receipts from that Leverkusen game may save the huns. That’s a decent wedge to be taking in.

That game apart, I’d expect them to be in deep trouble, have they started selling next season’s season tickets yet? I know they often do that relatively early to keep the wolf from the door.

I mean, their fans wouldn’t let their club die, would they?

[Ozyhibby]

I suspect the gate receipts from that Leverkusen game may save the huns. That’s a decent wedge to be taking in.

That game apart, I’d expect them to be in deep trouble, have they started selling next season’s season tickets yet? I know they often do that relatively early to keep the wolf from the door.

I mean, their fans wouldn’t let their club die, would they?

It won’t be enough. They need external funding and they need it soon.


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[Moulin Yarns]

I suspect the gate receipts from that Leverkusen game may save the huns. That’s a decent wedge to be taking in.

That game apart, I’d expect them to be in deep trouble, have they started selling next season’s season tickets yet? I know they often do that relatively early to keep the wolf from the door.

I mean, their fans wouldn’t let their club die, would they?

Did they not just announce a £20 million share issue? Wonder how that will go?

[judas]

It has been tentatively suggested on BBC (about 30 mins ago by the Sportsound presenter) that the season will not be extended and that next season will not be shortened.

It has also been suggested that the most likely current position is that teams will progress/regress as they currently stand.

That means Hearts WILL go down.

Bye Hearts 👋

[Paisley Hibby]

The current season could be restarted in Scotland when the pandemic situation stabilises - perhaps August and finish by end of September. Next season to start from early October.

That's how I'd do it.

[The 90+2]

The current season could be restarted in Scotland when the pandemic situation stabilises - perhaps August and finish by end of September. Next season to start from early October.

That's how I'd do it.

What happens when it’s time to play the Euros next year instead?

[chippy]

Expand the league. Promote top 2 in championship, no relegation.
Most sensible post , why not just have a permanent re structure of the pyramid?

[Deansy]

I suspect the gate receipts from that Leverkusen game may save the huns. That’s a decent wedge to be taking in.

That game apart, I’d expect them to be in deep trouble, have they started selling next season’s season tickets yet? I know they often do that relatively early to keep the wolf from the door.

I mean, their fans wouldn’t let their club die, would they?


Would one bumper-gate seriously save them - don't they need £4m+ just for this season ??

[Ozyhibby]

Did they not just announce a £20 million share issue? Wonder how that will go?

I don’t think it ever got of the ground. King is cold shouldered so things like that are off limits just now while he is still there.


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[truehibernian]

Most sensible post , why not just have a permanent re structure of the pyramid?

Dundee (in huge debt and been in admin previously), Ayr (run even but will be in debt now), and Dunfermline (in debt and been in admin previously) may beg to differ.

Season has to be played, behind closed doors if need be - but needs a sporting (integrity) end to things.

[Ozyhibby]

The current season could be restarted in Scotland when the pandemic situation stabilises - perhaps August and finish by end of September. Next season to start from early October.

That's how I'd do it.

So no new income for the clubs till October? No chance that will happen.


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[Ozyhibby]

Would one bumper-gate seriously save them - don't they need £4m+ just for this season ??

£10m


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[Tom Hart RIP]

Just caught the start of Sportsound and Kiridan ?? Said that his contacts at the top of Scottish fitba were in favour of ending season as it stands ie Celtic champions Hearts down.
If I misheard then feel free to contradict.

[NAE NOOKIE]

It has been tentatively suggested on BBC (about 30 mins ago by the Sportsound presenter) that the season will not be extended and that next season will not be shortened.

It has also been suggested that the most likely current position is that teams will progress/regress as they currently stand.

That means Hearts WILL go down.

Bye Hearts 👋

And that we have no chance of making Europe or of making the cup final when that competition is also cancelled .... I can't imagine how much that will cost us as a club .... a guaranteed quarter share of two near enough sold out semi finals, a possible half share of income from a Scottish cup final, which long shot though it is could have been against Aberdeen giving us a shot of actually winning the thing for only the 4th time in 140 years, plus prize money and at least one home European tie. And if you want to you can substitute potentially two home derbies the following season for two home games against ICT.

Yup, its all good :aok:

[Hibbyradge]

Not like you, your usually very wordy.

What was the point of that remark?

[GreenCastle]

Someone posted this on Twitter..


1. Give until end Nov to finish club competitions
2. Reschedule Euro 2020 to coincide with AFCON (Jan/Feb 2021)
3. Domestic season then March-Nov 2021
4. Winter break
5. Domestic Season then Jan-Oct 2022
6. Month break to Qatar WC Nov 21st 2022

Still the issue of this seasons contracts but like playoffs - players contracts can be extended possibly to fulfil the season.

[Ozyhibby]

Someone posted this on Twitter..


1. Give until end Nov to finish club competitions
2. Reschedule Euro 2020 to coincide with AFCON (Jan/Feb 2021)
3. Domestic season then March-Nov 2021
4. Winter break
5. Domestic Season then Jan-Oct 2022
6. Month break to Qatar WC Nov 21st 2022

Still the issue of this seasons contracts but like playoffs - players contracts can be extended possibly to fulfil the season.

So no income for the clubs now until March 2021? Is this serious?[emoji23][emoji23][emoji23]


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[GreenCastle]

So no income for the clubs now until March 2021? Is this serious?[emoji23][emoji23][emoji23]


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Well no - it would be from whenever possibly to play till November- STs etc can still be sold etc.

Not my idea just sharing.

[James Stephen]

And that we have no chance of making Europe or of making the cup final when that competition is also cancelled .... I can't imagine how much that will cost us as a club .... a guaranteed quarter share of two near enough sold out semi finals, a possible half share of income from a Scottish cup final, which long shot though it is could have been against Aberdeen giving us a shot of actually winning the thing for only the 4th time in 140 years, plus prize money and at least one home European tie. And if you want to you can substitute potentially two home derbies the following season for two home games against ICT.

Yup, its all good :aok:

Will cost Hibs a lot in lost revenue, as well as lost opportunity on the pitch.

However every club will be in same boat, and if it means every club has to reduce their budget next season then so be it. Its only money, and the beauty of football is there will be other semis, and other league campaigns.

[Ozyhibby]

Well no - it would be from whenever possibly to play till November- STs etc can still be sold etc.

Not my idea just sharing.

Hibs are just about to release their season ticket package. Wonder how sales would go if games don’t start till March 21.
Listening to sportsound, it’s clear there is not a businessman among them. Absolute clowns.[emoji1782]


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[GreenCastle]

Hibs are just about to release their season ticket package. Wonder how sales would go if games don’t start till March 21.
Listening to sportsound, it’s clear there is not a businessman among them. Absolute clowns.[emoji1782]


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I would be wary of Hibs releasing any ST info for next season (whenever that will start) any time soon.

They need to pick a positive moment ideally but may not get the chance like other clubs.

This will be the knock on effect of most clubs if season is cancelled.

I assume some fans will have STs and Away season tickets - that’s quite a chunk of money to lose on games that didn’t take place.

[Ozyhibby]

I would be wary of Hibs releasing any ST info for next season (whenever that will start) any time soon.

They need to pick a positive moment ideally but may not get the chance like other clubs.

This will be the knock on effect of most clubs if season is cancelled.

I assume some fans will have STs and Away season tickets - that’s quite a chunk of money to lose on games that didn’t take place.

Which is why shortening next season is a non starter. Clubs need the money. Sky have a new tv deal for next season that doubles the money to the clubs. They won’t risk that deal at all.


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[The 90+2]

I would be wary of Hibs releasing any ST info for next season (whenever that will start) any time soon.

They need to pick a positive moment ideally but may not get the chance like other clubs.

This will be the knock on effect of most clubs if season is cancelled.

I assume some fans will have STs and Away season tickets - that’s quite a chunk of money to lose on games that didn’t take place.

Surely the early bird option is going to be at a later date now so we can at least see how things develop?

[Greenfly]

You do the sums there are more points available if these teams win their games so your idea is nonsense and will not happen. Aston Villa could per say get over 27pts if won all their games.

All the teams at bottom could gain enough points to be out relegation. So there will be no average.

I have done the sums and you're categorically wrong. But I think that's because we're talking about different things as I've already tried to point out. I'm not talking about potential points to be gained as you seem to be.I was talking about average points if season is stopped now. Divide points gained by games played and you get the answer. It doesn't affect any of the teams you claim it is affecting. You either can't do very simple sums or you've misunderstood what I was saying. I'm assuming the latter.

[Moulin Yarns]

Assume there is no football until the middle of June, stop the clock on all players who's contracts end until the season resumes, play the remaining games instead of pre-season games, Saturday, Wednesday, Saturday. Season ends mid July. Have a 2 week break then start the new season at the beginning of August, again play the first 8 weeks with 2 games a week and we will be ahead of normal by the end of September.

Not perfect but allows the clubs to make up losses where possible.

[Ozyhibby]

Assume there is no football until the middle of June, stop the clock on all players who's contracts end until the season resumes, play the remaining games instead of pre-season games, Saturday, Wednesday, Saturday. Season ends mid July. Have a 2 week break then start the new season at the beginning of August, again play the first 8 weeks with 2 games a week and we will be ahead of normal by the end of September.

Not perfect but allows the clubs to make up losses where possible.

Stop the clock on the players contract? How do you stop a player leaving who is out of contract?


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[Moulin Yarns]

Stop the clock on the players contract? How do you stop a player leaving who is out of contract?


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By stopping the clock you are effectively automatically extending the contract to the end of the season. Look at it another way, they aren't going to be playing for another club anyway.

[Captain Trips]

I have done the sums and you're categorically wrong. But I think that's because we're talking about different things as I've already tried to point out. I'm not talking about potential points to be gained as you seem to be.I was talking about average points if season is stopped now. Divide points gained by games played and you get the answer. It doesn't affect any of the teams you claim it is affecting. You either can't do very simple sums or you've misunderstood what I was saying. I'm assuming the latter.

So who are bottom 3 in EPL? Based on this

[Ozyhibby]

By stopping the clock you are effectively automatically extending the contract to the end of the season. Look at it another way, they aren't going to be playing for another club anyway.

If a player has a three year deal waiting on him at another club he’s not going to risk injury by signing a one month deal elsewhere. And loan players? Maybe their parent clubs want them back?


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[NAE NOOKIE]

Will cost Hibs a lot in lost revenue, as well as lost opportunity on the pitch.

However every club will be in same boat, and if it means every club has to reduce their budget next season then so be it. Its only money, and the beauty of football is there will be other semis, and other league campaigns.

Well indeed. If it comes to it and that's what happens then we can look forward to just about every club in Scotland ending up as a part time outfit. The wages being paid by half the clubs in the premiership already aren't competitive with the arse end of the English football league now, reduce them any more and clubs outwith the big 6 .... IE Celtic to Dundee Utd will be losing players to clubs who aren't even in the EFL, never mind EFL 2.

If that happens forget about complaining about the standard of Scottish football as it is now, which certainly isn't as bad as some like to make out, it will fall off a cliff when 7 of they guys turning out for St Mirren or Hamilton at Easter Road have had to spend the morning delivering mail or painting somebody's house and the better guys have sodded off to the Evo Stick league darn saff for more money.

[Greenfly]

So who are bottom 3 in EPL? Based on this
Exactly the same as now - no change there at all.

[PeckythePenguin]

How about we get the SPFL managers to play their clubs remaining fixtures against each other on FIFA. They can do this online in the safety of their own home. The game can be streamed live along with a camera filming each manager whilst playing. This will be top quality entertainment whilst concluding the leagues fixtures - Easy!

[ekhibee]

Not sure they will declare things null and void given other sports - when certain circumstances occur where the fixture is suspended/stopped - go to score cards or where current standings are (e.g. boxing goes to score cards, Formula 1 goes to current standings in a race, etc. after certain rounds or laps have been completed).

Can't see any football being played for at least a few months. Be a thankless task making any sort of sporting decision either way. Health and trying to ease the strain on health services comes first always though, the correct decision has been made :aok:

Yep, that's my take on it too.

[660]

Relegate hearts or refund season ticket money.

[wookie70]

Which is why shortening next season is a non starter. Clubs need the money. Sky have a new tv deal for next season that doubles the money to the clubs. They won’t risk that deal at all.


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Perfect time to introduce a membership scheme. A monthly payment to be a Gold/Silver etc member to include league games and maybe an enhance package for discounts etc. It would be monthly and not end at the end of a season so fans would realise that money would come out in summer even when there is no games. Fans will want to help. How many of us go because it is good value!

[Killiehibbie]

8 games to play done in 4 weeks when play resumes, cup played after league finishes. Have a few weeks off then start the new season.

[percy veer]

end as is with average points.

Think its funny the two teams in Scotland bumping their gums about sporting integrity are the 2 who have been in admin lately, And in England west ham after the ordeal with tevez

[Captain Trips]

Exactly the same as now - no change there at all.

It's still nonsense, how you know Villa not go on 5or6 game win run and teams above lose? It doesn't work.

[judas]

And that we have no chance of making Europe or of making the cup final when that competition is also cancelled .... I can't imagine how much that will cost us as a club .... a guaranteed quarter share of two near enough sold out semi finals, a possible half share of income from a Scottish cup final, which long shot though it is could have been against Aberdeen giving us a shot of actually winning the thing for only the 4th time in 140 years, plus prize money and at least one home European tie. And if you want to you can substitute potentially two home derbies the following season for two home games against ICT.

Yup, its all good :aok:

Well. I guess I’m just a glass half full kind of guy.

There will be no competitive disadvantage btw ;-)

If the silver lining is a yam demotion, the that is what I will focus on.

[Greenfly]

It's still nonsense, how you know Villa not go on 5or6 game win run and teams above lose? It doesn't work.

You're clearly talking about something else entirely. It's got nothing at all to do with anyone's potential to win, lose or draw - only the games they've already played - for all teams and only applies if the season is being ended now with no more games played. I can't explain it any more than I've tried to do several times now.

[Captain Trips]

You're clearly talking about something else entirely. It's got nothing at all to do with anyone's potential to win, lose or draw - only the games they've already played - for all teams and only applies if the season is being ended now with no more games played. I can't explain it any more than I've tried to do several times now.

Yes and aI am saying the season won't end now not a chance and no math connotations are nonsense and irrelevant.

[judas]

And that we have no chance of making Europe or of making the cup final when that competition is also cancelled .... I can't imagine how much that will cost us as a club .... a guaranteed quarter share of two near enough sold out semi finals, a possible half share of income from a Scottish cup final, which long shot though it is could have been against Aberdeen giving us a shot of actually winning the thing for only the 4th time in 140 years, plus prize money and at least one home European tie. And if you want to you can substitute potentially two home derbies the following season for two home games against ICT.

Yup, its all good :aok:

Well. I guess I’m just a glass half full kind of guy.

There will be no competitive disadvantage btw ;-)

If the silver lining is a yam demotion, the that is what I will focus on.

[Ozyhibby]

Yes and aI am saying the season won't end now not a chance and no math connotations are nonsense and irrelevant.

I think the season is now done. The peak for uk is not expected to be until June. We won’t start again until that’s past. They won’t delay next season because they can’t afford to. Economics will trump all else.


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[Greenfly]

Yes and aI am saying the season won't end now not a chance and no math connotations are nonsense and irrelevant.

Actually, I think the season will end now, even though I hope not.

But you clearly don't understand what I said and I readily admit to not understanding you so best just to call this one quits.

[Captain Trips]

Actually, I think the season will end now, even though I hope not.

But you clearly don't understand what I said and I readily admit to not understanding you so best just to call this one quits.

I do understand and disagree.

[Captain Trips]

I think the season is now done. The peak for uk is not expected to be until June. We won’t start again until that’s past. They won’t delay next season because they can’t afford to. Economics will trump all else.


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We will see.

[jakedance]

If, as seems most likely, it runs into the summer, the current season just starts up again in August, possibly a week or two early, we scrap the league cup entirely and squeeze a season and a quarter into 2020/21. We could scrap the winter break and extend the season by a week or two if need be. Champions League and Europa League take a year off, or revert to a straight knockout to reduce the number of games. We’re all back to normal by the end of May 2021, ready for the rescheduled Euro Championships.

[Stewboy]

If, as seems most likely, it runs into the summer, the current season just starts up again in August, possibly a week or two early, we scrap the league cup entirely and squeeze a season and a quarter into 2020/21. We could scrap the winter break and extend the season by a week or two. Champions League and Europa League take a year off, or revert to a straight knockout to reduce the number of games. We’re all back to normal by the end of May 2021, ready for the rescheduled Euro Championships.

Given the amount of money that floats about in the CL that will be the top priority from UEFA to get sorted

[Ozyhibby]

If, as seems most likely, it runs into the summer, the current season just starts up again in August, possibly a week or two early, we scrap the league cup entirely and squeeze a season and a quarter into 2020/21. We could scrap the winter break and extend the season by a week or two if need be. Champions League and Europa League take a year off, or revert to a straight knockout to reduce the number of games. We’re all back to normal by the end of May 2021, ready for the rescheduled Euro Championships.

Champions league and Europa League take a year off? There is not a hope in hell of that. They fund UEFA.


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[jakedance]

Given the amount of money that floats about in the CL that will be the top priority from UEFA to get sorted

Fair point. They could probably still be squeezed in. Maybe look at the international calendar for a bit of slack. It might take two or three years to get completely back on track.

[Since90+2]

Apparently FIFA are sitting on cash reserves of around 3 billion. You would like to think some of this could be put towards helping clubs throughout this situation.

[heretoday]

You can't just give the league to Celtic. Get real.

[Since90+2]

Champions league and Europa League take a year off? There is not a hope in hell of that. They fund UEFA.


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Yeah that's definitely won't happen. Might have to reduce the amount of games (which will just mean the smaller clubs get bumped off) but it will definitely go ahead. The commercial contracts for them are worth a fortune.

[Real Emerald]

I originally thought play the last games behind closed doors but that now looks like a non starter. I then thought start the season early with the remaining games from this season and scrap the winter break and league cup but that would also cause chaos and fixture pile ups plus you would have different teams playing with transfer windows, contracts endings etc. I’ve now come to the conclusion that they will inevitably have to stop the season now and regroup once this is over. In my opinion they can’t void the season as there’s been too much money and time invested in the matches played plus teams like Dundee Utd can’t be asked to play another season in the Championship after their efforts. For these reasons I think the league will be decided on the current positions, which wouldn’t have been my view a day or so ago.

[Hibbyradge]

Actually, I think the season will end now, even though I hope not.

But you clearly don't understand what I said and I readily admit to not understanding you so best just to call this one quits.

From BBC News; "Computer simulations indicate the UK is in the early stages of its epidemic which is expected to rise sharply in four weeks and peak in 10 and 14 weeks' time."

So, the peak of this nightmare won't be with us till June. Then it should start to even out and drop, but how long will that take?

The idea that they're going to start playing football in the next few weeks is utterly fanciful. Imagine it.

"Right lads, we know things are still getting worse out there, and thousands of people are dying, but we've got a league campaign to finish". Let's get playing again".

[Since90+2]

As much as it would be funny as **** if Hearts were relegated I don't think you can relegate them by finishing the season. I'd say it was probably about 50-50 if they went down if the season has continued. If the roles were reversed and it was us I think most of us would be raging if we were relegated in that circumstance.

I wouldn't be surprised if Hearts and Dundee United have a 2 legged playoff to decide who plays in which division next season.

[MWHIBBIES]

As much as it would be funny as **** if Hearts were relegated I don't think you can relegate them by finishing the season. I'd say it was probably about 50-50 if they went down if the season has continued. If the roles were reversed and it was us I think most of us would be raging if we were relegated in that circumstance.

I wouldn't be surprised if Hearts and Dundee United have a 2 legged playoff to decide who plays in which division next season.

That would be a disgraceful outcome. Highly unlikely.

[Since90+2]

That would be a disgraceful outcome. Highly unlikely.

Just simply relegating them would also be disgraceful though. If it was us I can guarantee the poll results would be completely different.

It's not as if they are 10 points behind with 4 or 5 games left.

[GreenCastle]

As much as it would be funny as **** if Hearts were relegated I don't think you can relegate them by finishing the season. I'd say it was probably about 50-50 if they went down if the season has continued. If the roles were reversed and it was us I think most of us would be raging if we were relegated in that circumstance.

I wouldn't be surprised if Hearts and Dundee United have a 2 legged playoff to decide who plays in which division next season.

Zero chance Dundee Utd will be in a playoff.

Hibs have got a chance to finish higher up but I would understand if they said the season is cancelled but results stand.

Would be more annoyed about the Scottish Cup outcomes but I guess if we weren’t in it I wouldn’t care.

Even if UEFA decide a certain action plan for leagues to resume at some point - all it needs is a club to be affected then another possibly delay.

[heretoday]

You can't just give the title to Celtic or the Prem to Liverpool.

There would always be a massive asterix in the record books which would piss off their supporters apart from anything else.

[GreenCastle]

You can't just give the title to Celtic or the Prem to Liverpool.

There would always be a massive asterix in the record books which would piss off their supporters apart from anything else.

This last rugby World Cup a game was cancelled due to weather and they never played it - Japan progressed and played Scotland but Italy never got to play New Zealand. An Italian played had been getting ready for this game for months and would have been a final ever game for his country but never got to play.

In a roundabout way some players may have now played their last game for Hibs !

[Ozyhibby]

I originally thought play the last games behind closed doors but that now looks like a non starter. I then thought start the season early with the remaining games from this season and scrap the winter break and league cup but that would also cause chaos and fixture pile ups plus you would have different teams playing with transfer windows, contracts endings etc. I’ve now come to the conclusion that they will inevitably have to stop the season now and regroup once this is over. In my opinion they can’t void the season as there’s been too much money and time invested in the matches played plus teams like Dundee Utd can’t be asked to play another season in the Championship after their efforts. For these reasons I think the league will be decided on the current positions, which wouldn’t have been my view a day or so ago.

Once you start eliminating all the other options it’s the least worst. Nobody wants it but it’s all that can be done.


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[Ozyhibby]

You can't just give the title to Celtic or the Prem to Liverpool.

There would always be a massive asterix in the record books which would piss off their supporters apart from anything else.

There is no other option. Football won’t start again until at least July. Clubs can’t afford to delay next season. It’s going to happen.


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[Greenfly]

From BBC News; "Computer simulations indicate the UK is in the early stages of its epidemic which is expected to rise sharply in four weeks and peak in 10 and 14 weeks' time."

So, the peak of this nightmare won't be with us till June. Then it should start to even out and drop, but how long will that take?

The idea that they're going to start playing football in the next few weeks is utterly fanciful. Imagine it.

"Right lads, we know things are still getting worse out there, and thousands of people are dying, but we've got a league campaign to finish". Let's get playing again".


Agreed 100%, which is why I said what I said. I would love to see the season somehow completed but with the SPFA saying no to closed-doors games (for perfectly understandable reasons) I would be astonished if some other way was found to complete remaining fixtures. The evidence is all pointing to this being a major issue for the next few months minimum. Football is very important to all of us on here but it might seem very unimportant before long.

[Lago]

We're looking at a couple of seasons of sack cloth and ashes for Scottish football I'm afraid.

[DH1875]

There is no other option. Football won’t start again until at least July. Clubs can’t afford to delay next season. It’s going to happen.


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Just void the season, No?

[Hibby70]

As much as it would be funny as **** if Hearts were relegated I don't think you can relegate them by finishing the season. I'd say it was probably about 50-50 if they went down if the season has continued. If the roles were reversed and it was us I think most of us would be raging if we were relegated in that circumstance.

I wouldn't be surprised if Hearts and Dundee United have a 2 legged playoff to decide who plays in which division next season.

Would be better for Hamilton and Hearts to playoff rather than Dundee Utd.

[MWHIBBIES]

Just simply relegating them would also be disgraceful though. If it was us I can guarantee the poll results would be completely different.

It's not as if they are 10 points behind with 4 or 5 games left.

Its not about Hearts, that utterly shafts Dundee United who have earned promotion.

[Real Emerald]

Just void the season, No?

You can’t void the season, you just void the remaining games. Loads of money and effort have been put into the matches already played and it’s unfortunate it’s came to this but we just can’t play the remaining games. Use the 30 games played as your guide not the remaining few.

[G B Young]

Yes and aI am saying the season won't end now not a chance and no math connotations are nonsense and irrelevant.

It won't end right now but it will ultimately be called to a halt when it fully sinks in that there's not the remotest chance of it resuming. As others have said, we're at least three months away from when the virus is predicted to peak and by that time we'll all have long since realised that finishing the football season is neither here nor there when the world has been brought to a virtual standstill. Aside from the fact we'd have hundreds of players out of contract and way short of match fitness, who would honestly think that attempting to shoehorn in the rest of the football season would matter a jot? By that stage the focus will be on whether we can even get NEXT season started.

As I've said on the generic Hearts thread, the solution is simple enough. If declaring the season void is deemed a step too far, then we simply award the titles to each of the teams currently top of their respective leagues and relegate the teams currently sitting bottom. Play-offs get scrapped, along with the FA Cup and the Scottish Cup. The parachute/bonus payment due to be handed out after the play-offs are simply shared among the relegated clubs and those who were denied the chance of a tilt at promotion via the play-offs. There would be more money in the pot due to the fact the teams who avoid relegation wouldn't receive any payment, which would help to appease the likes of Hearts.

Sure, it might be unsatisfactory but ultimately it will just be a curiosity for the football history books.

[Since90+2]

Would be better for Hamilton and Hearts to playoff rather than Dundee Utd.

Yeah good point that might be more likely.

[Captain Trips]

It won't end right now but it will ultimately be called to a halt when it fully sinks in that there's not the remotest chance of it resuming. As others have said, we're at least three months away from when the virus is predicted to peak and by that time we'll all have long since realised that finishing the football season is neither here nor there when the world has been brought to a virtual standstill. Aside from the fact we'd have hundreds of players out of contract and way short of match fitness, who would honestly think that attempting to shoehorn in the rest of the football season would matter a jot? By that stage the focus will be on whether we can even get NEXT season started.

As I've said on the generic Hearts thread, the solution is simple enough. If declaring the season void is deemed a step too far, then we simply award the titles to each of the teams currently top of their respective leagues and relegate the teams currently sitting bottom. Play-offs get scrapped, along with the FA Cup and the Scottish Cup. The parachute/bonus payment due to be handed out after the play-offs are simply shared among the relegated clubs and those who were denied the chance of a tilt at promotion via the play-offs. There would be more money in the pot due to the fact the teams who avoid relegation wouldn't receive any payment, which would help to appease the likes of Hearts.

Sure, it might be unsatisfactory but ultimately it will just be a curiosity for the football history books.

I simply don't believe things will turn out with this virus as you think. We will be told we need to get on with stuff.

[Real Emerald]

I simply don't believe things will turn out with this virus as you think.

Well my daughter is a medical research doctor who spent 9 years at uni to get to where she is. She works at Reading university attached to the hospital there and she thinks it will get that bad.

[Captain Trips]

Well my daughter is a medical research doctor who spent 9 years at uni to get to where she is. She works at Reading university attached to the hospital there and she thinks it will get that bad.

We will see.

[Hibbyradge]

I think they could just declare all unplayed matches as draws.

[GreenCastle]

This link is pretty interesting to see the data

https://informationisbeautiful.net/visualizations/covid-19-coronavirus-infographic-datapack/

[Real Emerald]

We will see.

I had the same disagreement with her and I thought the same as you. But in her opinion and to see what’s happening around the world with countries having economic devastating lock downs I think my original opinion has changed.

[Captain Trips]

This link is pretty interesting to see the data

https://informationisbeautiful.net/visualizations/covid-19-coronavirus-infographic-datapack/

I get feeling if I say what I really think of it all you just get hounded out. Interesting perspective though.

[Captain Trips]

I had the same disagreement with her and I thought the same as you. But in her opinion and to see what’s happening around the world with countries having economic devastating lock downs I think my original opinion has changed.

Fair enough as I said above, I just looking at all diseases about these days kill lots of people. Anyways my opinion of course.

[GreenCastle]

I get feeling if I say what I really think of it all you just get hounded out.

I think many actually agree with you. Everyone is allowed an opinion.

Anyway...another random option..call the summer break now. Play in June and July. To finish season then restart in August.

Again though contracts...again may be an issue and June and July would have to be with same registered players as current season.

Teams wouldn’t have a pre-season which isn’t exactly fair for new players to settle in etc.

[hibeerealist]

If, as seems most likely, it runs into the summer, the current season just starts up again in August, possibly a week or two early, we scrap the league cup entirely and squeeze a season and a quarter into 2020/21. We could scrap the winter break and extend the season by a week or two if need be. Champions League and Europa League take a year off, or revert to a straight knockout to reduce the number of games. We’re all back to normal by the end of May 2021, ready for the rescheduled Euro Championships.

No chance, this season needs to be brought to an end WELL before August (the start of a new season) and that is effectively now!

Ye different sources will say this or propose that but the decision will be taken soon and involve FIFA & UEFA (which will help with the flak football authorities may take). The decision will apply to all leagues/cups and our pink chums will be very disappointed.

[G B Young]

I simply don't believe things will turn out with this virus as you think. We will be told we need to get on with stuff.

Being told to 'get on with stuff' would contradict all advice being given and would surely be the most reckless possible approach to take.

I get that fans don't WANT the season to be called off but that doesn't mean it shouldn't be. As I said it will ultimately be a sporting footnote when set against far bigger issues.

[wookie70]

This link is pretty interesting to see the data

https://informationisbeautiful.net/visualizations/covid-19-coronavirus-infographic-datapack/Looks more dangerous than Spanish Flu which killed 3 times more people than WW1, albeit medicine and living conditions have improved but then populations have grown and no live closer together

[Captain Trips]

Being told to 'get on with stuff' would contradict all advice being given and would surely be the most reckless possible approach to take.

I get that fans don't WANT the season to be called off but that doesn't mean it shouldn't be. As I said it will ultimately be a sporting footnote when set against far bigger issues.

My get on is nowt to do with football, judging by the utter nonsense in supermarkets the vulnerable in all this won't even be able to wipe their ***** as crazyness has meant you need 500 rolls per house. Not to mention nonsense prices kicking about for hand gel. Utterly ridiculous behavior that endangers the vulnerable who might struggle to get any.

[hibeerealist]

I simply don't believe things will turn out with this virus as you think. We will be told we need to get on with stuff.

You evidently don’t believe what’s going on and what is about to happen (the virus gets much worse in the UK over next 4-6 weeks) with NO senior games played or to be played. This will carry on until some form of protection/cure is found, simply saying you won’t believe it is hopeless it has happened and will get worse.

[MagicSwirlingShip]

This might actually be good for our national game in the long run...

If clubs have to tighten their belts, they will most likely resort to playing their youth squads.

[Ozyhibby]

Just void the season, No?

You can’t void the season or the spfl can’t pay out the prize money and the clubs are desperately waiting on that. You also have the problem of European places. Then you have the risk that stakeholders demand refunds for the product that was sold as competitive football but would become glorified friendlies.


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[The 90+2]

I think many actually agree with you. Everyone is allowed an opinion.

Anyway...another random option..call the summer break now. Play in June and July. To finish season then restart in August.

Again though contracts...again may be an issue and June and July would have to be with same registered players as current season.

Teams wouldn’t have a pre-season which isn’t exactly fair for new players to settle in etc.

Clubs then couldn’t afford to pay wages or even fall back on season ticket sales for next season until this season finally ends.

[Eyrie]

Just simply relegating them would also be disgraceful though. If it was us I can guarantee the poll results would be completely different.

It's not as if they are 10 points behind with 4 or 5 games left.

I can guarantee if it was anyone other than us the polls would be completely the same.

Taking personal allegiances out of it, the only logical options are to scrap the entire season or to announce the current standings as final. The latter means that the bottom club will be replaced by the top team in the Championship.

[Ozyhibby]

https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/sport/football/5387346/boris-johnson-scottish-premiership-over-celtic-hearts/

Looks like common sense is about to prevail.


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[StevesFamau5]

https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/sport/football/5387346/boris-johnson-scottish-premiership-over-celtic-hearts/

Looks like common sense is about to prevail.


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Having said that if is absolutely fair to do this. Unpopular opinion maybe but I think it's done. 2019/20 season over.

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[Captain Trips]

https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/sport/football/5387346/boris-johnson-scottish-premiership-over-celtic-hearts/

Looks like common sense is about to prevail.


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That reminds me of an alternative if run out of toilet paper.

[Del Boy]

It’s in the Sun so will be made up, but that is actually the fairest and best way for every club.

[Hibbyradge]

lol

[Captain Trips]

Hear is the other minefield here, what about the millions sitting about on league winning bets or teams to go down? Will they all payout? Refund? Void?

[Ozyhibby]

Hear is the other minefield here, what about the millions sitting about on league winning bets or teams to go down? Will they all payout? Refund? Void?

Once the league declare it then the bets are good.


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[Unseen work]

End the season now or let us play the remainder of the games pre split behind closed doors.

Personally, I wouldn’t grudge Celtic getting another title. It’s certainly not handing them it and everyone in the league would be rewarded on their performance up to now.

We could finish 4/5th but we could also finish 7th. There will be arguments for every team.

[Captain Trips]

Once the league declare it then the bets are good.


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What if bet on team to be relegated and they were 1 place above it on GD? Or choose to not relegate? Or placed a bet on team not to be relegated?

[Ozyhibby]

What if bet on team to be relegated and they were 1 place above it on GD? Or choose to not relegate? Or placed a bet on team not to be relegated?

Not a clue mate, I don’t gamble.


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[Captain Trips]

Not a clue mate, I don’t gamble.


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TBH I stopped a while ago myself as was problem for me. I was just wondering about that situation.

[Joe6-2]

Sky sports running a poll if EPL can’t be completed.
Over 70,000 have voted-

Null and void - 52%
LFCs title, no relegation - 21%
Current table final - 27%

[500miles]

We should be organising a deal with the TV companies to broadcast every game behind closed doors either via a red button system where we pay them and they pay the club, or better yet, where the clubs get to broadcast thier own games for an appropriate cost to keep them ticking over without gate money.

Players should be continually tested for the virus, and isolate from high risk encounters.

[Ozyhibby]

We should be organising a deal with the TV companies to broadcast every game behind closed doors either via a red button system where we pay them and they pay the club, or better yet, where the clubs get to broadcast thier own games for an appropriate cost to keep them ticking over without gate money.

Players should be continually tested for the virus, and isolate from high risk encounters.

PFA won’t allow it. The players are entitled to protection from this as much as anyone else. There will be no football until July at least.


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[Keith_M]

I have no particular affection for either club but both Liverpool and Celtc really should be declared champions of their respective leagues.

Nobody's going to catch them this season, no matter what fans of The Rangers might say.

[Ozyhibby]

I have no particular affection for either club but both Liverpool and Celtc really should be declared champions of their respective leagues.

Nobody's going to catch them this season, no matter what fans of The Rangers might say.

You’ll notice on Sevco fans forums they are all calling for season to be made null and void. There are no calls for behind closed door games to finish the season. That’s because they know they won’t catch them.
At least Hearts fans are hoping to play the games. Pointless as they would go down anyway but still.


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[Moulin Yarns]

You’ll notice on Sevco fans forums they are all calling for season to be made null and void. There are no calls for behind closed door games to finish the season. That’s because they know they won’t catch them.
At least Hearts fans are hoping to play the games. Pointless as they would go down anyway but still.


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There was interviews of fans on sportsound yesterday. They were in a bar in Glasgow where everyone said the same thing, season should be null and void. At the end the interviewer admitted he was at the Louden Tavern. 😁

[Captain Trips]

PFA won’t allow it. The players are entitled to protection from this as much as anyone else. There will be no football until July at least.


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They as are we entitled to as much protection as anyone else and that protection is manged by yourself, I need to go to work. Maybe they need to as well.

[jacomo]

You’ll notice on Sevco fans forums they are all calling for season to be made null and void. There are no calls for behind closed door games to finish the season. That’s because they know they won’t catch them.
At least Hearts fans are hoping to play the games. Pointless as they would go down anyway but still.





They are clutching at straws of course.

Prob the same folk who claim Celtc have only won 3 in a row because titles with Rangers in the same division ‘don’t count’.

Even Sevco surely realise that if they complained about Celtc being awarded the title they will just be laughed at.

[bigwheel]

So am I however I need to go to work. Maybe they need to as well.

But they don’t ..it’s only football....

[Captain Trips]

But they don’t ..it’s only football....

No its businesses like a shop or anywhere else, tjose people are expected to work as well. So should they.

You are aware there are lots of revenues generated at a club.if it's OK to work in a restaurant in close contact with 100s,if we want 300 rolls of toilet paper and food people want Asda, Tesco etc to be open and those staff to be in close contact with 100s of people.

It's only football? Millions and millions of people invested in it, some teams can't self isolate enough to get some closed door games in? Yet we expect shops, nurses etc to come into contact with 100s of people.

This will eleviate talk of legal and uncertainty. If pubs are open and lots of other things Asda must have 100 plus staff on each shift can a club not get some players together and get matches played?

A pub and a restaurant are non essential as much as football.

[Hibbyradge]

Sky sports running a poll if EPL can’t be completed.
Over 70,000 have voted-

Null and void - 52%
LFCs title, no relegation - 21%
Current table final - 27%

That's just people voting for self interest and devilment, imo.

[bigwheel]

No its businesses like a shop or anywhere else, tjose people are expected to work as well. So should they.

You are aware there are lots of revenues generated at a club.if it's OK to work in a restaurant in close contact with 100s,if we want 300 rolls of toilet paper and food people want Asda, Tesco etc to be open and those staff to be in close contact with 100s of people.

It's only football? Millions and millions of people invested in it, some teams can't self isolate enough to get some closed door games in? Yet we expect shops, nurses etc to come into contact with 100s of people.

This will eleviate talk of legal and uncertainty. If pubs are open and lots of other things Asda must have 100 plus staff on each shift can a club not get some players together and get matches played?

A pub and a restaurant are non essential as much as football.

It’s a non essential business , like every one of those ,their staff will soon be asked to stay away from their place of work ...supermarkets will be viewed as essential , rightly so, pubs and restaurants are likely to close for a period of time

[Antifa Hibs]

PFA won’t allow it. The players are entitled to protection from this as much as anyone else. There will be no football until July at least.


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I don't get this argument. Clubs are businesses, they are employee's just like us are they not? Unless the country is in a proper lockdown environment what makes a football player earn more protection than anyone else? Does the lassie at the Travelodge checking you in not deserve protection, the guys delivering your bread and milk to Asda not deserve protection, the school cleaners, your bus driver etc etc etc?

[bigwheel]

I don't get this argument. Clubs are businesses, they are employee's just like us are they not? Unless the country is in a proper lockdown environment what makes a football player earn more protection than anyone else? Does the lassie at the Travelodge checking you in not deserve protection, the guys delivering your bread and milk to Asda not deserve protection, the school cleaners, your bus driver etc etc etc?

Businesses have a duty to protect their employees ...I’d hope they take those actions before the government demand it ..

Some businesses are critical ..supermarkets being one of those ..others not so..and staff should be travelling and mixing less to help slow the spread of this virus ..

[Captain Trips]

It’s a non essential business , like every one of those ,their staff will soon be asked to stay away from their place of work ...supermarkets will be viewed as essential , rightly so, pubs and restaurants are likely to close for a period of time

Well they are not closed now, A pub and restaurants are non essential to visit. My view is they can and should play behind closed doors and this removes so many doubts on winning, prize money etc etc. While Pubs and restaurants remain open footballers should also be able to get together and provide that non essential service.

I work in whiskey industry it's not essential to drink whiskey, I will be expected in tomorrow.

[bigwheel]

Well they are not closed now, A pub and restaurants are non essential to visit. My view is they can and should play behind closed doors and this removes so many doubts on winning, prize money etc etc. While Pubs and restaurants remain open footballers should also be able to get together and provide that non essential service.

I work in whiskey industry it's not essential to drink whiskey, I will be expected in tomorrow.

Then you are wanting to put players and staff at risk of this virus ..I hope clubs want to protect their players more than you ..

I’ve no idea why you want them playing tbh ...who cares about football, when many peoples lives are at risk ...

Ps. Without knowing your industry, I hope your work make decisions that keep only essential production underway and allow You and others to reduce your risk ...

[Hibbyradge]

Well they are not closed now, A pub and restaurants are non essential to visit. My view is they can and should play behind closed doors and this removes so many doubts on winning, prize money etc etc. While Pubs and restaurants remain open footballers should also be able to get together and provide that non essential service.

I work in whiskey industry it's not essential to drink whiskey, I will be expected in tomorrow.

Whiskey?

[Ozyhibby]

I don't get this argument. Clubs are businesses, they are employee's just like us are they not? Unless the country is in a proper lockdown environment what makes a football player earn more protection than anyone else? Does the lassie at the Travelodge checking you in not deserve protection, the guys delivering your bread and milk to Asda not deserve protection, the school cleaners, your bus driver etc etc etc?

I would say that the lassie at Travelodge and the delivery driver at Asda can protect themselves from close contact with other people a bit more than a footballer playing a match, no?


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[Captain Trips]

Then you are wanting to put players and staff at risk of this virus ..I hope clubs want to protect their players more than you ..

I’ve no idea why you want them playing tbh ...who cares about football, when many peoples lives are at risk ...

Ps. Without knowing your industry, I hope your work make decisions that keep only essential production underway and allow You and others to reduce your risk ...

Well you care as on here and have opinion. Players and staff at risk? So why are today Pubs and Restaurants open? Are these not far more risky and non essential? However the staff will not be paid if closed however the players will so that's probably why we can risk all tjose folk then and that's OK.

[Captain Trips]

I would say that the lassie at Travelodge and the delivery driver at Asda can protect themselves from close contact with other people a bit more than a footballer playing a match, no?


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No I would say footballers are far less likely and in a job that may allow self isolation a hell of a lot easier than you or I having to work and travel meeting quite a lot of people.

Football could well play through this and take away lots of very very tough decisions that might need made.

You think pub workers and other retail workers can protect themselves eadier than 22 players on a pitch?

[Ozyhibby]

Well you care as on here and have opinion. Players and staff at risk? So why are today Pubs and Restaurants open? Are these not far more risky and non essential? However the staff will not be paid if closed however the players will so that's probably why we can risk all tjose folk then and that's OK.

You think bar staff are more at risk than footballers grappling with each other at corners? Where do you drink?


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[bigwheel]

Well you care as on here and have opinion. Players and staff at risk? So why are today Pubs and Restaurants open? Are these not far more risky and non essential? However the staff will not be paid if closed however the players will so that's probably why we can risk all tjose folk then and that's OK.

Your argument seems to be - if some have to do it , why not footballers ??

I’d like all staff to continue to be paid..whether in work or not ..

There are many experts who say that the UK government strategy is questionable and the should insurer a lockdown now ..

Many organisations other than football already have implemented a work from Home approach - football can do this and it’s good they show the lead where they can ..and reduce risk for all involved

If functions are not essential for key production or core infrastructure they shouldn’t be required in their work place. Football is one of them

[04Sauzee]

Does seem to be a faur few folk wanting league reconstruction. Here's one suggestion put forward

https://purefitbaw.com/2020/03/13/the-scottish-football-pyramid-and-utopia/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

[Eyrie]

I would say that the lassie at Travelodge and the delivery driver at Asda can protect themselves from close contact with other people a bit more than a footballer playing a match, no?


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The worker at Travelodge or Asda may not spend long in any one person's company but over the course of the day they will come into contact with a lot of different people and it only takes one to be infected for them to catch it.

Footballers are in a controlled environment with a limited number of players and coaches at training, all of whom will be monitored as will their opponents in the run up to a game.

I know which group I'd rather be in, and it's not Travelodge or Asda.

[Andy74]

You think bar staff are more at risk than footballers grappling with each other at corners? Where do you drink?


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Very likely that footballers could be tested regularly which is why we are seeing so many numbers of sports people identified.

You’d have to be infection free to train and play.

[Captain Trips]

You think bar staff are more at risk than footballers grappling with each other at corners? Where do you drink?


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Aye if they have all self isolated then yes, a person in a pub deals with money touched glasses and most important face to face with 100s if people. Pub staff dealing with people who have likely not isolated.

To think a footballer is more at risk grappling with another player than a retail worker is quite simply utterly absurd.

[Ozyhibby]

Does seem to be a faur few folk wanting league reconstruction. Here's one suggestion put forward

https://purefitbaw.com/2020/03/13/the-scottish-football-pyramid-and-utopia/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

The clubs can’t afford it though. Every model of reconstruction involves redistribution of income away from clubs like Hibs to clubs further down. The clubs at the top don’t want this and if you go to far with it you end up with break away leagues again. Do we really want to go down that path again?


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[Captain Trips]

Very likely that footballers could be tested regularly which is why we are seeing so many numbers of sports people identified.

You’d have to be infection free to train and play.

No Andy grappling with a player has more risk than coming into contact with 100s of people a day. What a total and utter nonsense.

[Captain Trips]

The clubs can’t afford it though. Every model of reconstruction involves redistribution of income away from clubs like Hibs to clubs further down. The clubs at the top don’t want this and if you go to far with it you end up with break away leagues again. Do we really want to go down that path again?


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Exactly get them isolated and games played no more arguments.

[GreenCastle]

Where do you draw the line ?

Doidge and Newell were drinking in Tigerlilly last night - what happens if they pick up the virus ?

I think people have this image of players locking themselves away to be safe when really majority are out living / having a break from training.

In a roundabout way some players around the world will be grateful for the break and being paid for not doing much training.

[Andy74]

No Andy grappling with a player has more risk than coming into contact with 100s of people a day. What a total and utter nonsense.

Are you mixing up who you are responding to here?

My point was footballers can get tested regularly and if they get back to playing then this would need to take place to train and play.

Someone else was talking about grappling....

[Captain Trips]

Are you mixing up who you are responding to here?

My point was footballers can get tested regularly and if they get back to playing then this would need to take place to train and play.

Someone else was talking about grappling....
No mate just saying don't show any other ideas other than living in a lead box for 6 mths

[blackpoolhibs]

The gimps are missing a trick here, their club single handedly won the war for Britain, surely they should be saying, yes we will accept being relegated for the free world.




PS i know it was a world war, but it does not fit my point.

[Captain Trips]

Where do you draw the line ?

Doidge and Newell were drinking in Tigerlilly last night - what happens if they pick up the virus ?

I think people have this image of players locking themselves away to be safe when really majority are out living / having a break from training.

In a roundabout way some players around the world will be grateful for the break and being paid for not doing much training.

Players in tournaments are all together for periods of time, if self isolate at all clubs and clubs can ask them to do this then what's the problem?

[Ozyhibby]

Players in tournaments are all together for periods of time, if self isolate at all clubs and clubs can ask them to do this then what's the problem?

It’s NOT going to happen. Football is gone until next season. Give it up.


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[Captain Trips]

It’s NOT going to happen. Football is gone until next season. Give it up.


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I'm allowed an opinion to discuss so you don't need to respond. If it's done then you give it up why you bothering?

Just give up things you don't agree with? All posters do that with other points on all subjects be nobody on here.

I though don't know how seriously I can take anything you have to say suggesting a footballer grasppling with a player carries as much risk as serving 100s of people in pubs.

[blackpoolhibs]

It’s NOT going to happen. Football is gone until next season. Give it up.


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I agree, i dont think theres a hope in hell this season will finish. :agree:

[Ozyhibby]

I'm allowed an opinion to discuss so you don't need to respond. If it's done then you give it up why you bothering?

Just give up things you don't agree with? All posters do that with other points on all subjects be nobody on here.

I though don't know how seriously I can take anything you have to say suggesting a footballer grasppling with a player carries as much risk as serving 100s of people in pubs.

Guess we’ll see then. I’ll apologise if we start playing again before June.[emoji106]


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[04Sauzee]

The clubs can’t afford it though. Every model of reconstruction involves redistribution of income away from clubs like Hibs to clubs further down. The clubs at the top don’t want this and if you go to far with it you end up with break away leagues again. Do we really want to go down that path again?


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It's definitely not my preferred option, i was just pointing out that there does seem to be more folk getting interested in reconstruction

[Captain Trips]

Guess we’ll see then. I’ll apologise if we start playing again before June.[emoji106]


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I am not saying it will resume, I believe it can be. However if my work tells me to stay away from work for a period I think it would not be right to be going to pubs and clubs during that.

Maybe players should perhaps be doing everything to try and at least get closed door games?

[green day]

We will hear more after the UEFA conf call on tuesday where they will point to a direction of travel.

I dont think there is any possibility of this season being completed, or the Euros happening this summer.

I fully expect them to recommend all leagues just call it on current placings (obvs some clubs will be unhappy) which allows for Euro / Champs league placings from summer onwards and hopefully the TV cash to go to clubs who will be in dire straits financially.

I am sure there will be loads of talk of legal challenges from the likes of Hearts but if there is any chance of starting up football again into next season they might just have to suck it up, esp if UEFA recommend this outcome.

n.b. I would say the exact same if Hamilton were in their position - I simply cant see any other way.

[ElginHibbie]

Maybe players should perhaps be doing everything to try and at least get closed door games?

Players won’t have any input on when or if games get played

[Moulin Yarns]

We will hear more after the UEFA conf call on tuesday where they will point to a direction of travel.

I dont think there is any possibility of this season being completed, or the Euros happening this summer.

I fully expect them to recommend all leagues just call it on current placings (obvs some clubs will be unhappy) which allows for Euro / Champs league placings from summer onwards and hopefully the TV cash to go to clubs who will be in dire straits financially.

I am sure there will be loads of talk of legal challenges from the likes of Hearts but if there is any chance of starting up football again into next season they might just have to suck it up, esp if UEFA recommend this outcome.

n.b. I would say the exact same if Hamilton were in their position - I simply cant see any other way.

:aok:

[Captain Trips]

So on Wednesday we were playing on Saturday even into Thursday. 3 days later we want to cut season short and are now able to predict 3 months in advance? When we can't even know what was going on within a 2/3 day period. We are now suddenly all clear and clarity has arrived?

[Hibbyradge]

We will hear more after the UEFA conf call on tuesday where they will point to a direction of travel.

I dont think there is any possibility of this season being completed, or the Euros happening this summer.

I fully expect them to recommend all leagues just call it on current placings (obvs some clubs will be unhappy) which allows for Euro / Champs league placings from summer onwards and hopefully the TV cash to go to clubs who will be in dire straits financially.

I am sure there will be loads of talk of legal challenges from the likes of Hearts but if there is any chance of starting up football again into next season they might just have to suck it up, esp if UEFA recommend this outcome.

n.b. I would say the exact same if Hamilton were in their position - I simply cant see any other way.

The season can be declared void. Last year's Euro teams can be used again.

The teams in contention for promotion will complain, but I don't think they'd win a legal case.

The only thing I'm certain of is that this season is done.

It's not just a case of teams playing games then heading home to stay safe. There's training, set play practice, game plan meetings etc.

But, although I'm certain, in truth, anything could happen.

[Ozyhibby]

The season can be declared void. Last year's Euro teams can be used again.

The teams in contention for promotion will complain, but I don't think they'd win a legal case.

The only thing I'm certain of is that this season is done.

It's not just a case of teams playing games then heading home to stay safe. There's training, set play practice, game plan meetings etc.

But, although I'm certain, in truth, anything could happen.

Would the clubs risk customers asking for refunds for games they have voided? I don’t think so.


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[Captain Trips]

Players won’t have any input on when or if games get played

Nor would staff sent home.

[ElginHibbie]

So on Wednesday we were playing on Saturday even into Thursday. 3 days later we want to cut season short and are now able to predict 3 months in advance? When we can't even know what was going on within a 2/3 day period. We are now suddenly all clear and clarity has arrived?

We don't know what is going to happen but all evidence points to things getting a lot worse before they get better, this article sums it up quite well I think

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2020/world/corona-simulator/

It's not just going to disappear in next few weeks so playing game in front of crowds is out, clubs won't want to play behind closed doors as they'd lose money one way or another and even if FIFA/UEFA insists the way forward is to get all games played as quickly as possible behind closed doors all it will take is one player who has it and doesn't get tested soon enough to potentially infect a lot of ours and close the whole league down

[Hibbyradge]

Would the clubs risk customers asking for refunds for games they have voided? I don’t think so.


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Are you saying that the games will be played? Because if the season is cut short, they'll have people asking for a refund for the games not played.

Fans went to the previous games. They've had the entertainment they paid for. They're not entitled to a refund.

[one day maybe...]

Bit radical but if the leagues are cancelled and current positions are declared as they stand. Why not from the start of next season promote the top 8 teams from the championship and play a 38 game league everyone playing home & away once.
At the seasons end, 9 teams will be automatically relegated with one coming up from the league of 22 below.
We then get back based on league positions to our 4 league set up.

Be interesting to say the least.

One league of 20 teams & one league of 22 playing home & away.

Reverting to 12, 10, 10, 10 at the end of season 20/21

[Captain Trips]

We don't know what is going to happen but all evidence points to things getting a lot worse before they get better, this article sums it up quite well I think

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2020/world/corona-simulator/

It's not just going to disappear in next few weeks so playing game in front of crowds is out, clubs won't want to play behind closed doors as they'd lose money one way or another and even if FIFA/UEFA insists the way forward is to get all games played as quickly as possible behind closed doors all it will take is one player who has it and doesn't get tested soon enough to potentially infect a lot of ours and close the whole league down

Close whole league down? You mean like it is now?

[Ozyhibby]

Are you saying that the games will be played? Because if the season is cut short, they'll have people asking for a refund for the games not played.

Fans went to the previous games. They've had the entertainment they paid for. They're not entitled to a refund.

Fans went to see competitive games. If they are now friendlies then fans have every right to ask for a refund. Friendlies are crap. You could have a EPL team up for a pre season game and it will attract a smaller crowd than a league game v st. Mirren a week later.
The games will def not get played. They will call the league as it is. I’m almost certain of it, except this is Scottish football and their capacity for getting it wrong is legendary.


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[ElginHibbie]

Close whole league down? You mean like it is now?

Yeah that's my point, currently it's closed down as a precaution to prevent further spread, no need to have to close it down again as a necessity just to try play a few closed door matches

[GreenCastle]

Fans went to see competitive games. If they are now friendlies then fans have every right to ask for a refund. Friendlies are crap. You could have a EPL team up for a pre season game and it will attract a smaller crowd than a league game v st. Mirren a week later.
The games will def not get played. They will call the league as it is. I’m almost certain of it, except this is Scottish football and their capacity for getting it wrong is legendary.

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Yes that sentence is where I am - anything could happen with the clowns who run our game

[Hibbyradge]

Fans went to see competitive games. If they are now friendlies then fans have every right to ask for a refund. Friendlies are crap. You could have a EPL team up for a pre season game and it will attract a smaller crowd than a league game v st. Mirren a week later.
The games will def not get played. They will call the league as it is. I’m almost certain of it, except this is Scottish football and their capacity for getting it wrong is legendary.


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I understand your point, but it costs money to watch friendlies too. There's no legal argument that would get money back and I very much doubt that any fan would pursue such a course of action given what it would cost compared to what they might win.

[Ozyhibby]

I understand your point, but it costs money to watch friendlies too. There's no legal argument that would get money back and I very much doubt that any fan would pursue such a course of action given what it would cost compared to what they might win.

Fans aren’t the only customers though. There are tv companies, sponsors etc. A lot of these companies will be in trouble soon.


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[The 90+2]

Fans aren’t the only customers though. There are tv companies, sponsors etc. A lot of these companies will be in trouble soon.


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Fans, tv, corporate companies pay for the rights/access for the season 19/20, the season is voided many will have claims back, season gets voided does Man City ban from Europe happen next year instead? If the season is declared finished/completed there’s no such trivial issues. BT paid for rights for season 19/20, seasons is complete, cheerio. Same with supporters.

[Ozyhibby]

Fans, tv, corporate companies pay for the rights/access for the season 19/20, the season is voided many will have claims back, season gets voided does Man City ban from Europe happen next year instead? If the season is declared finished/completed there’s no such trivial issues. BT paid for rights for season 19/20, seasons is complete, cheerio. Same with supporters.

That’s the way I see it.
Come Tuesday the clubs will want to draw a line under this season and get on with selling next season. Voiding seasons devalues their product. They are not going to do that.


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[CMurdoch]

On Tuesday UEFA will move the Euros to 2021
No internationals other than Euro play offs before that

Scottish Football:
Finish this seasons league games by binning next seasons league cup.
Then play this seasons Scottish Cup Semi Finals and Final

Have a short break

Then begin next seasons league games
No winter break
All Scottish Cup games will be played to a finish to avoid replays

Fly's in the ointment to sort out:
The virus
Out of contract players
Transfer window
TV contract for next seasons League Cup

[Ozyhibby]

On Tuesday UEFA will move the Euros to 2021

Scottish Football:
Finish this seasons league games by binning next seasons league cup.
Play this seasons Scottish Cup Semi Finals and Final
Have a short break
Then begin next seasons league games
No winter break
All Scottish Cup games will be played to a finish to avoid replays
No internationals other than Euro play offs

Only fly's in the ointment to sort out:
The virus
Out of contract players
Transfer windows

What date are you proposing starting next season? How are clubs to survive the summer without the money they get for completing this season?


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[Captain Trips]

That’s the way I see it.
Come Tuesday the clubs will want to draw a line under this season and get on with selling next season. Voiding seasons devalues their product. They are not going to do that.


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So we can predict this season is done and we can start again next season? 4 days ago we didn't know if cancelling a match.

[Ozyhibby]

So we can predict this season is done and we can start again next season? 4 days ago we didn't know if cancelling a match.

That’s what I’m predicting.


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[The 90+2]

That’s the way I see it.
Come Tuesday the clubs will want to draw a line under this season and get on with selling next season. Voiding seasons devalues their product. They are not going to do that.


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Yep. Selling next season across all leagues to everyone from media to supporters - regardless of when the season will begin is the most vital way of clubs to get much needed funds instead sitting suffocating for weeks/months.

[The 90+2]

So we can predict this season is done and we can start again next season? 4 days ago we didn't know if cancelling a match.

Everyone know cancelling matches would come eventually. It was tried to be put off as long as possible. It’s here now, we end the season and do what we can to help clubs survive using next seasons media and support funds.

[Hibby Kay-Yay]

Players in tournaments are all together for periods of time, if self isolate at all clubs and clubs can ask them to do this then what's the problem?

Giving the strain on the NHS are you happy for crews to be in attendance at these closed door games as they would be required to be there?

[Hibbyradge]

Austria has told its citizens in the UK to return as it doesn't think the UKs response to the crisis is adequate.

[green day]

Austria has told its citizens in the UK to return as it doesn't think the UKs response to the crisis is adequate.

Not sure I would put much store by their government response - Austria has just banned all "gatherings" >5 people............there are some families larger than that :rolleyes:.........how long do they seriously think that can go on?

[CMurdoch]

What date are you proposing starting next season? How are clubs to survive the summer without the money they get for completing this season?


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The virus and the govt will dictate when we can start playing again. Hopefully start playing again in Mid July. This seasons 8 league games plus the Scottish Cup games could be played over 6 weeks then a 2 week break. Start new season in mid September.

Clubs should be given the cash for completing this season at the usual time based on their current league positions and an adjustment made next season if their positions change subsequently.

[Captain Trips]

Giving the strain on the NHS are you happy for crews to be in attendance at these closed door games as they would be required to be there?

What crews? Give me numbers?

[Brightside]

Just finish now. One down one up.

[Moulin Yarns]

Just finish now. One down one up.

If anyone complained just say that it is unprecedented times.

[ScottB]

On Tuesday UEFA will move the Euros to 2021
No internationals other than Euro play offs before that

Scottish Football:
Finish this seasons league games by binning next seasons league cup.
Then play this seasons Scottish Cup Semi Finals and Final

Have a short break

Then begin next seasons league games
No winter break
All Scottish Cup games will be played to a finish to avoid replays

Fly's in the ointment to sort out:
The virus
Out of contract players
Transfer window
TV contract for next seasons League Cup

Ultimately, it depends when we can get going again, and given that Boris and co have us on a very different strategy than the rest of Europe, we can’t even look at the likes of Italy, who are several weeks ahead of us, as an example.

There’s a world of difference between resuming football in April or May, and it potentially dragging on into the summer and beyond.

The only decisions that can be made right now, if that’s the goal, would be to either void, or stop the season as was. Resumption is just such a massive unknown, and creates a multitude of issues around player contracts, transfer windows and so on.

Seems like either this season gets cut short, or the next one does, so may as well just cut short this one, then plans can be made for the next depending on when starting up again is feasible. Carrying over the 3 Scottish Cup games is probably feasible, but completing the league campaign is entirely dependent on the virus.

Still think we’ll need a Europe wide solution however, what happens to the Champions and 2 Europa League competitions, all of which effectively start in July. It’ll be easily possible that, without a hard stop now, those tournaments would need to be heavily altered or cancelled...

[HoboHarry]

Hearts getting relegated is all that matters, everything else is meh in my world......

[Deansy]

Yup, I would of course be gutted for our dear neighbours :bye: but it's the only way to ensure the maintenance of sporting integrity, no matter how painful.


'Sporting integrity' ceased in our game when the decision to re-admit the Hun was taken !

[Hibby Kay-Yay]

What crews? Give me numbers?

Medical crews specifically, at least one paramedic. Obviously that number increases for crowds etc, however, even sticking to a bare minimum of 1, multiplied over the amount of closed doors fixtures, that’s too many that will be required to deal with the increase in demand of the virus.

[Radium]

"Season means the period of the year commencing on the date of the first LeagueMatch in a Season and ending on the date of the last League Match in the sameSeason or otherwise as determined by the Board and which excludes the CloseSeason;"

Page 23 of SPFL Rules (https://spfl.co.uk/admin/filemanager/files/shares/SPFL%20Rules%20and%20Regulations%2022-Jul-19.pdf)

SPFL Board (https://spfl.co.uk/news/spfl-board-elected-for-201920)are

Elected to serve on the 2019/20 SPFL Board, alongside SPFL chief executive Neil Doncaster, chairman Murdoch MacLennan and independent non-executive director Karyn McCluskey, were:
• Ladbrokes Premiership: Alan Burrows (Motherwell), Les Gray (Hamilton Academical), Stewart Robertson (Rangers)
• Ladbrokes Championship: Ross McArthur (Dunfermline Athletic), Graham Peterkin (Ayr United)
• Ladbrokes League 1 and League 2: Ken Ferguson (Brechin City)

Interesting to see if they vote for the season to end now as there are a few vested interests there

[Hibs4185]

The gimps are missing a trick here, their club single handedly won the war for Britain, surely they should be saying, yes we will accept being relegated for the free world.




PS i know it was a world war, but it does not fit my point.

Don’t give them ideas. There will be a statue to budge and Stendel on the plaza so In 50 years they can have a remembrance for the day hearts volunteered to be relegated and save the free world from Coronavirus.

[Captain Trips]

Medical crews specifically, at least one paramedic. Obviously that number increases for crowds etc, however, even sticking to a bare minimum of 1, multiplied over the amount of closed doors fixtures, that’s too many that will be required to deal with the increase in demand of the virus.

Maybe aye maybe no. Get them played

[James Stephen]

Ultimately, it depends when we can get going again, and given that Boris and co have us on a very different strategy than the rest of Europe, we can’t even look at the likes of Italy, who are several weeks ahead of us, as an example.

There’s a world of difference between resuming football in April or May, and it potentially dragging on into the summer and beyond.

The only decisions that can be made right now, if that’s the goal, would be to either void, or stop the season as was. Resumption is just such a massive unknown, and creates a multitude of issues around player contracts, transfer windows and so on.

Seems like either this season gets cut short, or the next one does, so may as well just cut short this one, then plans can be made for the next depending on when starting up again is feasible. Carrying over the 3 Scottish Cup games is probably feasible, but completing the league campaign is entirely dependent on the virus.

Still think we’ll need a Europe wide solution however, what happens to the Champions and 2 Europa League competitions, all of which effectively start in July. It’ll be easily possible that, without a hard stop now, those tournaments would need to be heavily altered or cancelled...

Thats what i don't get about all these weird and wonderful contortions people are coming up with to play the rest of the games.

At the moment one season is badly affected. Why do people also want to ruin next season, in an effort to 'fix' this one? Doesnt make sense to me.

[Sioux]

Thats what i don't get about all these weird and wonderful contortions people are coming up with to play the rest of the games.

At the moment one season is badly affected. Why do people also want to ruin next season, in an effort to 'fix' this one? Doesnt make sense to me.

Exactly. Fixing a problem by creating an even larger one some six months down the line is madness.