What would be the most acceptable way to conclude this season?

[emerald green]

https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/sport/football/5387346/boris-johnson-scottish-premiership-over-celtic-hearts/

Interesting.

[jacomo]

Austria has told its citizens in the UK to return as it doesn't think the UKs response to the crisis is adequate.


Austrians have historically been wrong on many things.

[theonlywayisup]

Italian football authorities are going to ask for Euro 2020 to be cancelled and allow them time to finish the domestic season, because that's fairer and more correct after the many investments and sacrifices by its clubs.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/51901183

The Spanish La Liga president is also convinced that they'll complete the league.

[Peevemor]

Austrians have historically been wrong on many things.Modern day Austria isn't doing too badly.

[theonlywayisup]

https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/sport/football/5387346/boris-johnson-scottish-premiership-over-celtic-hearts/

Interesting.

It's the Sun! Just saying...........

[neil7908]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/51901725

"Scottish football is facing a call to declare the current campaign null and void due to the coronavirus outbreak.

According to the Press Association at least one Scottish Premiership club is ready to demand SPFL chief executive Neil Doncaster cancels the season if it cannot be completed, after all football in Scotland was postponed on Friday "until further notice".

A source told PA: "We don't see how titles, promotion or relegation can be agreed on any basis of sporting fairness."

They added: "Perhaps prize money can be split on the basis of the current table.

"But the league should be ruled void and we start next season as we commenced this one.

"Making the season void is the best of a bunch of bad choices."

Uefa is to hold a video conference call on Tuesday to its 55 member nations, with all games already under their jurisdiction that were due to go ahead this week postponed.

Celtic currently top the Premiership table by 13 points and manager Neil Lennon has already suggested his team should be declared champions if the season ends now.

Hearts are currently four points adrift at the bottom of the top flight, with eight games still to be played."

[neil7908]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/51901725

"Scottish football is facing a call to declare the current campaign null and void due to the coronavirus outbreak.

According to the Press Association at least one Scottish Premiership club is ready to demand SPFL chief executive Neil Doncaster cancels the season if it cannot be completed, after all football in Scotland was postponed on Friday "until further notice".

A source told PA: "We don't see how titles, promotion or relegation can be agreed on any basis of sporting fairness."

They added: "Perhaps prize money can be split on the basis of the current table.

"But the league should be ruled void and we start next season as we commenced this one.

"Making the season void is the best of a bunch of bad choices."

Uefa is to hold a video conference call on Tuesday to its 55 member nations, with all games already under their jurisdiction that were due to go ahead this week postponed.

Celtic currently top the Premiership table by 13 points and manager Neil Lennon has already suggested his team should be declared champions if the season ends now.

Hearts are currently four points adrift at the bottom of the top flight, with eight games still to be played."

Is the club Hearts or Sevco? Answers on a postcard.

[Peevemor]

Is the club Hearts or Sevco? Answers on a postcard.It's bound to be Hearts, they have far more to gain by pretending the season didn't happen.

[Since452]

Is the club Hearts or Sevco? Answers on a postcard.

Surely Hearts. What would Rangers have to gain?

[Del Boy]

Think it could be Sevco, calling for the prize money based on where they currently sit.

[Lago]

It's bound to be Hearts, they have far more to gain by pretending the season didn't happen.
Has to be.

[Kato]

Has to be.The SFA would only consider the request and make it public if it came from The the's.

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[JeMeSouviens]

Surely Hearts. What would Rangers have to gain?

Another season to stop 10iar.

[Keith_M]

Austria has told its citizens in the UK to return as it doesn't think the UKs response to the crisis is adequate.


Trust me, the Austrians are best ignored.

They appointed a schoolboy to run the country, for goodness sake!

[Del Boy]

It sounds very Hunnish to me, I’m sure it’s sevco.

Celtic won’t accept not getting the title, neither will Dundee United accept not being promoted (but SPFL won’t give a **** about them)

[The 90+2]

Another season to stop 10iar.

UEFA done the same they would lose millions of £ prize money.

[Ozyhibby]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200315/bfb6467780cad7ee2136a4b21f4e70af.jpg
Clubs cash reserves. You can see why they will want that SPFL prize money and why the league will end this week. No chance any of these clubs are going to vote to delay start of next season.


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[Eyrie]

Declaring the season so far to be void means that none of those games actually happened, so both TV companies and fans will want their money back.

Attempting to extend the season faces the problem that players are out of contract at the end of May, so the squads that finish the season in July/August would be very different from those that played the first 30 games. And this approach would disrupt next season as well as this one.

The only sensible solution is to end the season with the current league standings and provide certainty about next season which starts in early July for those clubs in European competition, by which point the peak should be passed (10-14 weeks takes us well into June). The Scottish Cup will have to be abandoned due to the changes in the playing squads.

[04Sauzee]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200315/bfb6467780cad7ee2136a4b21f4e70af.jpg
Clubs cash reserves. You can see why they will want that SPFL prize money and why the league will end this week. No chance any of these clubs are going to vote to delay start of next season.


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Is that a true representation though? Do Hibs really have 4m in the bank? I'd doubt it.

[HFC 0-7]

Surely Hearts. What would Rangers have to gain?

They can claim that as the season is void, celtics run of consecutive titles is over?!?!

[Ozyhibby]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200315/ebbd3fc0224325183bd72ae2691997ee.plist
The prize money that gets unlocked this well if the clubs end the season. A good few clubs won’t be able to say no to this even if they wanted to.


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[Hibs4185]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200315/bfb6467780cad7ee2136a4b21f4e70af.jpg
Clubs cash reserves. You can see why they will want that SPFL prize money and why the league will end this week. No chance any of these clubs are going to vote to delay start of next season.


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Brilliant piece of information. Hibs are the safest club and we have a fairly wealthy owner.

Hearts and Rangers are pretty stuffed. Can’t imagine Budge wanting time splash much of her money now that she’s got it back.

[Unseen work]

The season can’t just be void, not a chance.

Fans and sponsorships would be wanting their money back.

Could clubs then reclaim goal bonuses etc from players as all of a sudden they don’t count? It would all just become a massive mess.

It’s not ideal but cancelling it now is fair enough as it’s a true representation of where everyone is at this moment in time, it’s not like we’ve played a couple of games either.

Every team would have an argument that they could do better if playing the remainder of the games not just Hearts and Rangers. But we would all have to accept it, the only ones that could argue would be St Johnstone as they’ve played a game less which if they won would make them finish 6th and not 7th.

[Peevemor]

Is that a true representation though? Do Hibs really have 4m in the bank? I'd doubt it.I think it's based on annual accounts, so for Hibs (& Hearts) it's a snapshot of where we were last summer.

[James Stephen]

If the season is voided and league placings are effectively ignored, then surely all prize money should be divided equally, ie total pot divided by 12?

Why is it fair to distribute the cash prizes based on where clubs are now, but not the actual prizes?

That kind of self serving hypocrisy just has to be from the huns.

[Peevemor]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200315/ebbd3fc0224325183bd72ae2691997ee.plist
The prize money that gets unlocked this well if the clubs end the season. A good few clubs won’t be able to say no to this even if they wanted to.


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkA lot of this money has already been distributed (obviously without exceeding the amount for 12th place), therefore clubs toward the bottom of the league won't have a huge amount outstanding.

[Peevemor]

If the season is voided and league placings are effectively ignored, then surely all prize money should be divided equally, ie total pot divided by 12?

Why is it fair to distribute the cash prizes based on where clubs are now, but not the actual prizes?

That kind of self serving hypocrisy just has to be from the huns.If the league is voided, will there be any prize money to share out?

[James Stephen]

If the league is voided, will there be any prize money to share out?

Another fair question.

[Radge70]

The season can’t just be void, not a chance.

Fans and sponsorships would be wanting their money back.

Could clubs then reclaim goal bonuses etc from players as all of a sudden they don’t count? It would all just become a massive mess.

It’s not ideal but cancelling it now is fair enough as it’s a true representation of where everyone is at this moment in time, it’s not like we’ve played a couple of games either.

Every team would have an argument that they could do better if playing the remainder of the games not just Hearts and Rangers. But we would all have to accept it, the only ones that could argue would be St Johnstone as they’ve played a game less which if they won would make them finish 6th and not 7th.
St Johnstone have played the least number of away games out of any team in the SPL (13)......

[Ozyhibby]

If the league is voided, will there be any prize money to share out?

Likely there won’t because the tv companies would likely want their money back.


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[Peevemor]

Likely there won’t because the tv companies would likely want their money back.


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkWould they though? They may legally be entitled to it (I don't know), but they have profitted from the broadcasting of matches.

[Joe6-2]

Would they though? They may legally be entitled to it (I don't know), but they have profitted from the broadcasting of matches.

My thoughts too

[matty_f]

Would they though? They may legally be entitled to it (I don't know), but they have profitted from the broadcasting of matches.

Exactly, the matches that they've shown were competitive. Similarly with supporters, how can we be entitled to a refund for games we've watched?

[Ozyhibby]

Exactly, the matches that they've shown were competitive. Similarly with supporters, how can we be entitled to a refund for games we've watched?

I’ve payed about £400 to watch a league competition and 80% of the way through it’s decided it was just a load of friendlies after all?


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[660]

Exactly, the matches that they've shown were competitive. Similarly with supporters, how can we be entitled to a refund for games we've watched?

Ssshhh demand a refund

[Forza Fred]

eObjectively, the thinking should be what solution sees nobody seriously disadvantaged.

Award Celtic the league, they are not going to be caught based on any 'reasonable' scenario.

I would basically use positions as they stand now, but the obvious issue is relegation.

I would temporarily adjust the rules around promotion and relegation for one season to effectively cancel any relegation ( I know but I'm not a Jambo) and promote Dundee United with any necessary adjustments flowing down through the lower leagues,.

yes, the Premier League would operate with an uneven number of clubs next season, but that happens in other places, and these ARE unprecedented times.

Assuming we want to return to the status quo when it comes to SPL numbers, make clear that the reverse will happen next season, and an extra club will be relegated to return the league to its existing number.....that way everybody knows what rules apply BEFORE the start of the season.

Yes, there will be 'whatabouts 'but I reckon they won't be too hard to solve and the main issues of sporting integrity when it comes to who are the champions and who should be relegated will be solved, exceptingfor Rangers who are only going to agree to something that stops Celtic's run of successes.

They just will to have to suck it up.

[660]

eObjectively, the thinking should be what solution sees nobody seriously disadvantaged.

Award Celtic the league, they are not going to be caught based on any 'reasonable' scenario.

I would basically use positions as they stand now, but the obvious issue is relegation.

I would temporarily adjust the rules around promotion and relegation for one season to effectively cancel any relegation ( I know but I'm not a Jambo) and promote Dundee United with any necessary adjustments flowing down through the lower leagues,.

yes, the Premier League would operate with an uneven number of clubs next season, but that happens in other places, and these ARE unprecedented times.

Assuming we want to return to the status quo when it comes to SPL numbers, make clear that the reverse will happen next season, and an extra club will be relegated to return the league to its existing number.....that way everybody knows what rules apply BEFORE the start of the season.

Yes, there will be 'whatabouts 'but I reckon they won't be too hard to solve and the main issues of sporting integrity when it comes to who are the champions and who should be relegated will be solved, exceptingfor Rangers who are only going to agree to something that stops Celtic's run of successes.

They just will to have to suck it up.

Why bend over backwards to accommodate hearts? They are literally the only club disadvantaged and people can’t wait to suggest ludicrous things like uneven leagues to ensure they stay up. Send them down.

[southern hibby]

Think it could be Sevco, calling for the prize money based on where they currently sit.

Could be Sevco as it would stop Celtic getting the title yet again. This would give them another two seasons to stop 10 in a row rather than just the one.


GGTTH

[Unseen work]

eObjectively, the thinking should be what solution sees nobody seriously disadvantaged.

Award Celtic the league, they are not going to be caught based on any 'reasonable' scenario.

I would basically use positions as they stand now, but the obvious issue is relegation.

I would temporarily adjust the rules around promotion and relegation for one season to effectively cancel any relegation ( I know but I'm not a Jambo) and promote Dundee United with any necessary adjustments flowing down through the lower leagues,.

yes, the Premier League would operate with an uneven number of clubs next season, but that happens in other places, and these ARE unprecedented times.

Assuming we want to return to the status quo when it comes to SPL numbers, make clear that the reverse will happen next season, and an extra club will be relegated to return the league to its existing number.....that way everybody knows what rules apply BEFORE the start of the season.

Yes, there will be 'whatabouts 'but I reckon they won't be too hard to solve and the main issues of sporting integrity when it comes to who are the champions and who should be relegated will be solved, exceptingfor Rangers who are only going to agree to something that stops Celtic's run of successes.

They just will to have to suck it up.

How is it fair to keep Hearts in the league when they’re set to go down, but promote Dundee United who are set to go up, when both of them can mathematically get out of it/chuck it.

If United come up hearts should go down.

If Hearts stay up then ICT have the argument that Dundee United weren’t champions and mathematically they could have caught them, even though it wouldn’t happen but it’s a possibility.

You can’t have one rule for relegation and another for promotion, imo.

[Del Boy]

Daily Record saying Hearts down, United up. Celtic champions or premier

[Tambo]

A*Premiership*club has demanded the current season be declared null and void amid the coronavirus pandemic.

The Press Association report at least one top-flight side wants SPFL chief*Neil Doncaster*to scrap the campaign if it cannot be restarted.

I wonder which club this could be???

[Waxy]

A*Premiership*club has demanded the current season be declared null and void amid the coronavirus pandemic.

The Press Association report at least one top-flight side wants SPFL chief*Neil Doncaster*to scrap the campaign if it cannot be restarted.

I wonder which club this could be???Crazy some people think it could be voided. That gives everyone there money back. All the non matches people attended nevermind the bookies payouts.
It restarts or is completed as it is with Celtic winners and the rest finish wherever they are now.

[blackpoolhibs]

The only sensible solution is to award the clubs the position they are in now, that is what they have achieved now.

You cant award them positions they might achieve in the future, only what they have earnt now.

You cant reward what might happen, only what has happened.

I know for me that has an added bonus of relegating the gimps, but i know hand on heart i'd feel exactly the same if it was us.

If by some miracle we find a solution quickly and can get the season finished, then good, but i just can't see this happening at all in the near future.

[Since452]

Null and void just isn't going to happen in the league. We've played almost 80% of it.

Scottish cup? When could it be played? After McNultys, Dochertys, Omeongas loans are finished? Things are going to get worse before they get better. Sensible decision would be to void the tournament.

Restarting is looking very unlikely. As a fan of a team with a realistic chance of winning the cup I'm frustrated but would fully accept it.

[theonlywayisup]

From The Scotsman, implying urgent talks taking place today.

Scottish football chiefs are braced for Boris Johnson to bring an official end to the game across Britain – handing Celtic a ninth consecutive title and consigning Hearts to relegation to the Scottish Championship.

The Sun reports that SPFL bosses expect the prime minister to call full time on the 2019/20 season which would end the current uncertainty over completion of matches as well as ratifying final positions in all four divisions.

It is understood that doing so would allow the league to dish out prize money early to help clubs survive the indefinite hiatus of football in Scotland.

What would cancelling the season mean?

If authorities effectively cancelled the season, it would have a serious impact on season-ticket cash, sponsorship money and the TV deals. Those with season tickets would be entitled to demand a refund if the season was declared null and void while broadcasters could also demand their money back.

Bringing an official end to the campaign could also let clubs activate crucial protection insurance at a time of financial uncertainty.

Ramifications

However the clubs currently in the four automatic relegation places – Hearts, Partick Thistle, Stranraer and Brechin City – could well argue for an alternative plan, while suggestions for league reconstruction that would see two teams promoted to every league and the creation of a 14-team top flight have been floated by some figures.

SPFL and SFA chiefs are set to hold urgent talks on Monday, with an emergency meeting scheduled.

[The Count]

Imagine if Rangers were only 5 points behind Celtic as are Hearts behind Hamilton.Would this sensible solution still to the option taken.Interesting times and in fairness there is no easy answer that will please everybody.

[jacomo]

Null and void just isn't going to happen in the league. We've played almost 80% of it.

Scottish cup? When could it be played? After McNultys, Dochertys, Omeongas loans are finished? Things are going to get worse before they get better. Sensible decision would be to void the tournament.

Restarting is looking very unlikely. As a fan of a team with a realistic chance of winning the cup I'm frustrated but would fully accept it.


I think moving the final 3 games of the scottish cup to the beginning of next season looks most likely and achievable.

Our squad will be what it will be. We will likely be playing a Championship in the semi final.

[lapsedhibee]

A*Premiership*club has demanded the current season be declared null and void amid the coronavirus pandemic.

The Press Association report at least one top-flight side wants SPFL chief*Neil Doncaster*to scrap the campaign if it cannot be restarted.

I wonder which club this could be???

Don't think the huns and their fans will be disappointed at all if Celtc are awarded the title. When Celtc make it 10 in a row next year huns will forever after be able to say it's a record tainted by the fact that the 9th title this year was awarded by a corrupt anti-Rangers establishment rather than won fair and square.

It's shirley Mrs Doctors Budge that's objecting.

[jacomo]

Imagine if Rangers were only 5 points behind Celtic as are Hearts behind Hamilton.Would this sensible solution still to the option taken.Interesting times and in fairness there is no easy answer that will please everybody.


We should all be grateful that the hateful spewing from Sevco will be muted, thanks largely to their awful form post winter break.

[green day]

The only sensible solution is to award the clubs the position they are in now, that is what they have achieved now.


Think this will be the outcome for the leagues



Scottish cup? When could it be played? After McNultys, Dochertys, Omeongas loans are finished? Things are going to get worse before they get better. Sensible decision would be to void the tournament.


Think this will be the outcome for the Scottish Cup.

The virus situation isnt resolving itself any time soon and talk of "finishing the season in the summer" is just pie in the sky. Under those circumstances there is no way a new season will be waiting on Scottish Cup matches being completed by half fit players................

[GreenCastle]

Don't think the huns and their fans will be disappointed at all if Celtc are awarded the title. When Celtc make it 10 in a row next year huns will forever after be able to say it's a record tainted by the fact that the 9th title this year was awarded by a corrupt anti-Rangers establishment rather than won fair and square.

It's shirley Mrs Doctors Budge that's objecting.

Yup - in a roundabout way the huns will see this as a win as they know they won’t catch them but the league will never finish so they can say it was tainted.

It’s a shame the league wasn’t really close - say 2 points in it - would have loved to have seen what they would have done.

The league are fortunate Celtic so far ahead.

Hamilton and St Mirren will be happy if no playoffs.

[Jones28]

Imagine if Rangers were only 5 points behind Celtic as are Hearts behind Hamilton.Would this sensible solution still to the option taken.Interesting times and in fairness there is no easy answer that will please everybody.

The thought of all the bile they would come out with gives me the fear.

But fortunately they’ve chucked it, spectacularly, and are in about as good a position as we are for arguing against awarding Celtic the title.

[G B Young]

I think moving the final 3 games of the scottish cup to the beginning of next season looks most likely and achievable.

Our squad will be what it will be. We will likely be playing a Championship in the semi final.

Trying to complete a competition from a previous season during a new season featuring wholesale changes of personnel would be absurd. When all's said and done it really isn't going to matter very much whether this season's Scottish Cup gets completed. There are far more important things to prioritise. Time to just abandon it and wrap up the season now.

[matty_f]

I'm not sure how season ticket holders would be entitled to a full refund?

Surely you've paid to watch games and you've had those games?

[Since452]

I think it would be unfair to not award Celtic the title but if that happened you have to declare Hearts relegated. Can't say Celtic are champions then not relegate someone. Needs to be consistent.

I think a list of 2 or 3 options should be drawn up and voted on by the member clubs. Majority wins. Simple.

[lapsedhibee]

It’s a shame the league wasn’t really close - say 2 points in it - would have loved to have seen what they would have done.

The league are fortunate Celtic so far ahead.



Yes, a key point. If, say, Hearts hadn't beaten Rangers recently, it would have been harder for the league to decide that Hearts will be relegated. :faf: :faf:

[Captain Trips]

Hearts the longest a team has been bottom of a league in History :greengrin

[Since452]

One thing for sure is the longer it drags on with no decision made the deeper in the mire clubs will get. If they cancelled the season now you'd think it would allow them to activate their insurances etc if they have any and use their prize money.

[mcohibs]

Do we think that UEFA are likely to take a stance on this issue that will be applied consistently across all leagues in Europe? Surely that will need to be the case as all leagues ultimately feed into UEFA competitions and if individual countries were to sort their own solution to league standings (inc. European qualification spots), the integrity of the Europa League and Champions League would be compromised.

[Ozyhibby]

I'm not sure how season ticket holders would be entitled to a full refund?

Surely you've paid to watch games and you've had those games?

But they were sold as competitive games. If they are now null and void then fans are entitled to a refund. I wouldn’t pay to watch training games.


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[mvteng]

Do we think that UEFA are likely to take a stance on this issue that will be applied consistently across all leagues in Europe? Surely that will need to be the case as all leagues ultimately feed into UEFA competitions and if individual countries were to sort their own solution to league standings (inc. European qualification spots), the integrity of the Europa League and Champions League would be compromised.

Absolutely. Once UEFA make a decision, it will roll down to all leagues.

There is no way SFA will want to diverge from UEFA, and it also gives them a handy excuse for any unpopular/ controversial decisions e.g. hearts relegation & celtic winning/not winning the league

[Caversham Green]

But they were sold as competitive games. If they are now null and void then fans are entitled to a refund. I wouldn’t pay to watch training games.


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They were competitive games and you 'enjoyed' them as competitive games. The fact that the competition might have to be abandoned doesn't rewrite history.

[mcohibs]

Absolutely. Once UEFA make a decision, it will roll down to all leagues.

There is no way SFA will want to diverge from UEFA, and it also gives them a handy excuse for any unpopular/ controversial decisions e.g. hearts relegation & celtic winning/not winning the league

That's my thoughts and whilst I can't see UEFA rushing into anything, with Euro 2020 around the corner, they may look to clarify things sooner rather than later.

[danhibees1875]

But they were sold as competitive games. If they are now null and void then fans are entitled to a refund. I wouldn’t pay to watch training games.


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I don't think that makes much sense, but if it helps put pressure on them relegating hearts I'm all for it. :greengrin

[Kato]

They are literally the only club disadvantaged

Disadvantaged first and foremost by their own ineptitude.

[Green Reaper]

Did I read right that only one club doesn't have insurance to cover if the league is halted and, if so, I wonder who that is?

[Keith_M]

I think The Rangers line of reasoning will be as follows.


If this season is declared null and void, and Celtc win the next two league titles, they can't declare Ten In A Row because there was a gap between them...

....so not actually In A Row.


Ridiculous logic? Well, of course, but remember who it is we're actually talking about here.

[jgl07]

Void the season. Promote two from the Championship for next season.

It’s going to be a while until next season commences. I suspect the a 26-match season will be about as much as can be fitted in. Home and away against each team. Why did no one think of that before.

I find the ‘play everyone three or four times a season very boring. I am almost relieved with relegation from time to time to see something different.

[Captain Trips]

On an aside Flo Kamberi loan deal will have an end date. Awkward.

[matty_f]

But they were sold as competitive games. If they are now null and void then fans are entitled to a refund. I wouldn’t pay to watch training games.


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It was competitive when it was played, you got what you paid for.

I actually can't get my head around that logic.

You wanting the players to give back their wages and appearance fees for it?

[matty_f]

They were competitive games and you 'enjoyed' them as competitive games. The fact that the competition might have to be abandoned doesn't rewrite history.

Exactly. Bizarre line of thinking to want money back for games you've attended as if they didn't happen.

[Since452]

People can do what they want but the last thing the club needs right now is people asking for refunds surely?

[lord bunberry]

It was competitive when it was played, you got what you paid for.

I actually can't get my head around that logic.

You wanting the players to give back their wages and appearance fees for it?
If you pay for a season ticket and the season is declared void, then I’d imagine you’d be able to demand a refund. I don’t know how many people would try and get a refund, but if things get tight financially for some then £400 might come in handy.

[Keith_M]

I've decided that the most acceptable way to conclude the season would be:


Relegate Hearts to the Championship.

Relegate The Rangers to the South Of Scotland League

... and declare Hibs as champions.

[Hibbyradge]

If you pay for a season ticket and the season is declared void, then I’d imagine you’d be able to demand a refund. I don’t know how many people would try and get a refund, but if things get tight financially for some then £400 might come in handy.

The competition might be void, but the matches were still played. There could be an argument for a refund for the remaining home games if they're not played, but not for the ones that went ahead.

[MagicSwirlingShip]

Absolutely no one is going to ask for a refund of the remaining games and needs their head examined if they do

[James Stephen]

Void the season. Promote two from the Championship for next season.

It’s going to be a while until next season commences. I suspect the a 26-match season will be about as much as can be fitted in. Home and away against each team. Why did no one think of that before.

I find the ‘play everyone three or four times a season very boring. I am almost relieved with relegation from time to time to see something different.

So which teams are you promoting? If you are basing the promotions on league position, then you are not voiding the league at all are you?

Voiding means everything stays as it was at seasons start.

[matty_f]

The competition might be void, but the matches were still played. There could be an argument for a refund for the remaining home games if they're not played, but not for the ones that went ahead.
Yeah, that argument I can completely see, but how can you get a refund for a game you've attended?

[Captain Trips]

I've decided that the most acceptable way to conclude the season would be:


Relegate Hearts to the Championship.

Relegate The Rangers to the South Of Scotland League

... and declare Hibs as champions.

That all sounds reasonable. I 2nd this.

[Brightside]

They cannot void the whole season. Its either find a way to delay and play the games later or award the leagues now based on average points. If they were to void the whole season many companies could legally claim for sponsorship back and legally supporters could ask for their Season ticket purchase to be refunded.

[theonlywayisup]

Regarding the Scottish Cup, how about one option is to award the cup to the Semi Finalist who has the highest average number of goals scored?

On checking:

Aberdeen have scored 7 from 4 games - 1.75 goals per game
Celtic have scored 6 from 3 games - 2 goals per game
Hertz have scored 7 from 3 games - 2.5 goals per game
Hibs have scored 15 from 4 games - 3.75 goals per game


Hibs are declared SC Winners on average goals scored :partyhibb:cup::partyhibb

And no-one was hurt in the pitch invasion that followed.

[Captain Trips]

Yeah, that argument I can completely see, but how can you get a refund for a game you've attended?

Matty I have attended loads of games over the years a bloody refund should have been given, I have quite an extensive list. :greengrin

[Brummie_Hibs]

On an aside Flo Kamberi loan deal will have an end date. Awkward.
I'm sure on his last day he'll contract the virus and go into self-isolation.

[Captain Trips]

I'm sure on his last day he'll contract the virus and go into self-isolation.

I think he will be if comes back quite a lengthy isolation.

[lord bunberry]

The competition might be void, but the matches were still played. There could be an argument for a refund for the remaining home games if they're not played, but not for the ones that went ahead.
You may be right about that, but I’m not sure. The way consumer rights seem to work I’d have thought that it would be pretty simple to challenge that they’d been sold something and not received what they’d paid for.
Im not trying to advocate that anyone should do that, but the clubs will have to take advice from lawyers regarding every possibility.

[lord bunberry]

Yeah, that argument I can completely see, but how can you get a refund for a game you've attended?
Mate people are getting PPI refunded for loans they didn’t even pay off. Voiding the season would be a minefield that the clubs won’t want to cross.

[Caversham Green]

You may be right about that, but I’m not sure. The way consumer rights seem to work I’d have thought that it would be pretty simple to challenge that they’d been sold something and not received what they’d paid for.
Im not trying to advocate that anyone should do that, but the clubs will have to take advice from lawyers regarding every possibility.

The tickets give you the right of entry to all home league matches. You got entry to all the home league matches that were played. How the league panned out is irrelevant.

[Monts]

The competition might be void, but the matches were still played. There could be an argument for a refund for the remaining home games if they're not played, but not for the ones that went ahead.

A season ticket isn't sold on a per-game basis. It is sold for all games of the season. If the season is voided, then you would be entitled to all of your money back as the full product hasn't been provided.

[Captain Trips]

A season ticket isn't sold on a per-game basis. It is sold for all games of the season. If the season is voided, then you would be entitled to all of your money back as the full product hasn't been provided.

What is interesting is the price must come from somewhere so it would be interesting to know lets say East stand what was the cost of an Adult ST?
What was the cost if you had attended every match the ST was valid for as a walk up? Until now.

[lord bunberry]

The tickets give you the right of entry to all home league matches. You got entry to all the home league matches that were played. How the league panned out is irrelevant.
As I said to HR I’m not sure that would stand up if someone decided to take issue with it. I doubt it will be put to the test though as I can’t see the season being voided.

[Hibbyradge]

Yeah, that argument I can completely see, but how can you get a refund for a game you've attended?

Exactly. You can't.

[Hibbyradge]

They cannot void the whole season. Its either find a way to delay and play the games later or award the leagues now based on average points. If they were to void the whole season many companies could legally claim for sponsorship back and legally supporters could ask for their Season ticket purchase to be refunded.

I don't see it that way at all.

The sponsors have had their logos etc advertised at the games and on TV.

Supporters have been entertained.

[Hibbyradge]

A season ticket isn't sold on a per-game basis. It is sold for all games of the season. If the season is voided, then you would be entitled to all of your money back as the full product hasn't been provided.

While I disagree, I can see lawyers rubbing their hands at the prospect of a lengthy legal case.

[Greenworld]

While I disagree, I can see lawyers rubbing their hands at the prospect of a lengthy legal case.Is it not the case that clubs cannot take legal action against spfl

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[Hibbyradge]

Is it not the case that clubs cannot take legal action against spfl

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Sponsors and fans etc are not governed by SPFL rules.

[Caversham Green]

As I said to HR I’m not sure that would stand up if someone decided to take issue with it. I doubt it will be put to the test though as I can’t see the season being voided.

I just can't see how the refund argument could possibly bear scrutiny - you bought it to see home league matches and you saw home league matches. In fact I think there's an argument for not refunding for the games that weren't played. I agree that it's probably academic anyway as I doubt whether the season will be entirely voided and hope it won't be, and not just because the plight of the Duncans.

[Ozyhibby]

Let’s be clear I would not be asking for a refund, very few would. However I have bought a ticket for the spfl season and if that is now null and void I would be entitled to a refund legally. As would companies who bought into the competition.
Now just because very few fans would claim it back, does not mean that the club do not incur the liability straight away and that would need to go into the clubs balance sheet. There is no way the board of directors could vote to put that sort of liability on to the club.
If the season is null and void then the product has not been delivered. I can then ask for a refund. I bought a ticket for the spfl competition and the club are saying it never happened. A court is going to rule that is refundable and there is no way the club want that liability on the balance sheet. Not when they have other options.
It doesn’t matter that fans would not claim it back, the liability would still be there.


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[Frankhfc]

Mate people are getting PPI refunded for loans they didn’t even pay off. Voiding the season would be a minefield that the clubs won’t want to cross.

Exactly. Why take the completely unecessary risk of creating potential legal minefields when they don't have to by sensibly ending the season as having been completed at this point due to the current worldwide pandemic. Voiding and invalidating the season would in my opinion be potentially very damaging for the long term future of Scottish football.

[matty_f]

Let’s be clear I would not be asking for a refund, very few would. However I have bought a ticket for the spfl season and if that is now null and void I would be entitled to a refund legally. As would companies who bought into the competition.
Now just because very few fans would claim it back, does not mean that the club do not incur the liability straight away and that would need to go into the clubs balance sheet. There is no way the board of directors could vote to put that sort of liability on to the club.
If the season is null and void then the product has not been delivered. I can then ask for a refund. I bought a ticket for the spfl competition and the club are saying it never happened. A court is going to rule that is refundable and there is no way the club want that liability on the balance sheet. Not when they have other options.
It doesn’t matter that fans would not claim it back, the liability would still be there.


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Nobody is saying they never happened though.

I don't think any of us can say with any certainty how a court would rule.

Our last match was away to Aberdeen, would the game we watched have been any different if the league started again tomorrow or ended today? Of course not. The game we watched was a competitive SPFL fixture at the time it took place.

A later event doesn't change that or change that the game happened.

[Frankhfc]

Nobody is saying they never happened though.

I don't think any of us can say with any certainty how a court would rule.

Our last match was away to Aberdeen, would the game we watched have been any different if the league started again tomorrow or ended today? Of course not. The game we watched was a competitive SPFL fixture at the time it took place.

A later event doesn't change that or change that the game happened.

I don't find that argument at all compelling.

I know this is prevaricating away from the matter in hand but I had a decent sized bet on the Players Championship that was cancelled null and void after the first round. All bets were returned in full. If it had been stopped after say the third round they would have been within their rights to call the winner then with no bets being returned.

Far better to call the season as being completed at this point due to circumstances outwith the Board's control with winners and losers as is.

[Ozyhibby]

I don't find that argument at all compelling.

I know this is prevaricating away from the matter in hand but I had a decent sized bet on the Players Championship that was cancelled null and void after the first round. All bets were returned in full. If it had been stopped after say the third round they would have been within their rights to call the winner then with no bets being returned.

Far better to call the season as being completed at this point due to circumstances outwith the Board's control with winners and losers as is.

Yip. If you void a contract you are saying it never happened. My season ticket is a contract. If it get made void then it never happened.


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[matty_f]

I don't find that argument at all compelling.

I know this is prevaricating away from the matter in hand but I had a decent sized bet on the Players Championship that was cancelled null and void after the first round. All bets were returned in full. If it had been stopped after say the third round they would have been within their rights to call the winner then with no bets being returned.

Far better to call the season as being completed at this point due to circumstances outwith the Board's control with winners and losers as is.

Yeah I agree. End it now and take the final standings.

[Caversham Green]

Let’s be clear I would not be asking for a refund, very few would. However I have bought a ticket for the spfl season and if that is now null and void I would be entitled to a refund legally. As would companies who bought into the competition.
Now just because very few fans would claim it back, does not mean that the club do not incur the liability straight away and that would need to go into the clubs balance sheet. There is no way the board of directors could vote to put that sort of liability on to the club.
If the season is null and void then the product has not been delivered. I can then ask for a refund. I bought a ticket for the spfl competition and the club are saying it never happened. A court is going to rule that is refundable and there is no way the club want that liability on the balance sheet. Not when they have other options.
It doesn’t matter that fans would not claim it back, the liability would still be there.


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You bought a ticket that granted you access to a specific set of football matches. The contract was between you and Hibs and the club have granted you access to all the matches that have so far taken place. Presumably in the unlikely event of the season continuing they would grant you access to the remaining games as well. Hibs cannot and would not be held responsible for the actions of a third party. The product is a specific set of games not the spfl season, and the contract has so far been fulfilled in full.

[Frankhfc]

Yip. If you void a contract you are saying it never happened. My season ticket is a contract. If it get made void then it never happened.


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Correct. Voiding and invalidating the season is as Lordbunberry said - a minefield. Its probably imo the worst of the possible outcomes.

[Frankhfc]

You bought a ticket that granted you access to a specific set of football matches. The contract was between you and Hibs and the club have granted you access to all the matches that have so far taken place. Presumably in the unlikely event of the season continuing they would grant you access to the remaining games as well. Hibs cannot and would not be held responsible for the actions of a third party. The product is a specific set of games not the spfl season.

Wouldn't it be more beneficial for Scottish Football to totally avoid this type argument that could easily be heard in a court of law? Finish the season now completed as is and it would completely negate potential minefields.

[theonlywayisup]

I don't find that argument at all compelling.

I know this is prevaricating away from the matter in hand but I had a decent sized bet on the Players Championship that was cancelled null and void after the first round. All bets were returned in full. If it had been stopped after say the third round they would have been within their rights to call the winner then with no bets being returned.

Far better to call the season as being completed at this point due to circumstances outwith the Board's control with winners and losers as is.

Good call comparing it to a golf tournament.

If a golf tournament is called off after the 1st round - competition is declared as null and void.

If a golf tournament is called off after the two rounds or more - competition winner is based on the standings at the end of the round that's been completed.

I think the football leagues must base it on the average points total and end this season now. The world has more important things to worry about.

[Caversham Green]

Wouldn't it be more beneficial for Scottish Football to totally avoid this type argument that could easily be heard in a court of law? Finish the season now completed as is and it would completely negate potential minefields.

I maintain that the refund argument would not stand up in court (at least not in full). I also think the only sensible course of action if the season can't be completed is to accept the league placings as they stand and that the voiding of the season should be a non-starter, but not because clubs would have to refund season ticket money.

[Frankhfc]

I maintain that the refund argument would not stand up in court (at least not in full). I also think the only sensible course of action if the season can't be completed is to accept the league placings as they stand and that the voiding of the season should be a non-starter, but not because clubs would have to refund season ticket money.

Its a fair enough opinion to hold but others just might see it completely opposite from yours and wish to challenge it. Why buy season tickets with the risk that the season might be invalidated? It could have serious knock on future effects for Scottish Football. I totally agree with you that voiding the season is a non-starter not just for that reason alone.

[Ozyhibby]

The clubs can avoid this uncertainty about the validity of this seasons tickets by declaring the season complete with final standings as they are now. If they don’t, I guarantee someone tests the argument we are having in court. I don’t think the clubs want to take that risk. Losing the case would be very bad indeed.


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[Monts]

I maintain that the refund argument would not stand up in court (at least not in full). I also think the only sensible course of action if the season can't be completed is to accept the league placings as they stand and that the voiding of the season should be a non-starter, but not because clubs would have to refund season ticket money.

The way I see it, its not so much to do with the validity of matches that have already happened, and more a case of whether the season ticket has been fulfilled. So if the season is declared over, then the season ticket has been fulfilled as all matches of the 19/20 season were available to attend. If the season is declared void, then that means the season didn't finish, and the season ticket was not fulfilled. That's where the refund argument would come from imo.

[Sioux]

The clubs can avoid this uncertainty about the validity of this seasons tickets by declaring the season complete with final standings as they are now. If they don’t, I guarantee someone tests the argument we are having in court. I don’t think the clubs want to take that risk. Losing the case would be very bad indeed.


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Maybe you should stop giving legal advice if unqualified to do so.

[Caversham Green]

The way I see it, its not so much to do with the validity of matches that have already happened, and more a case of whether the season ticket has been fulfilled. So if the season is declared over, then the season ticket has been fulfilled as all matches of the 19/20 season were available to attend. If the season is declared void, then that means the season didn't finish, and the season ticket was not fulfilled. That's where the refund argument would come from imo.

I seriously doubt a court would see it that way but I can see neither side is going to agree with the other on this and I can't see the point in repeating what I've already said earlier. I would expect it to be a moot point anyway as I don't think the season will be declared void - too many clubs would feel cheated if it was.

[matty_f]

I seriously doubt a court would see it that way but I can see neither side is going to agree with the other on this and I can't see the point in repeating what I've already said earlier. I would expect it to be a moot point anyway as I don't think the season will be declared void - too many clubs would feel cheated if it was.

:agree: it needs to either be played to a conclusion at some point (not practical) or ended now with current positions standing.

[Ozyhibby]

Maybe you should stop giving legal advice if unqualified to do so.

Are we checking qualifications on Hibs.net now? This place will be more deserted than Easter road then.[emoji23]


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[lapsedhibee]

I think the football leagues must base it on the average points total and end this season now. The world has more important things to worry about.
Utter madness. The pools panel should sit and find Rangers v St Johnstone to be a score draw, and base final league positions on both those sides gaining one point.

[G B Young]

If this is true then we could be looking at no football for the next year, let alone this season:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/15/uk-coronavirus-crisis-to-last-until-spring-2021-and-could-see-79m-hospitalised

[Ozyhibby]

If this is true then we could be looking at no football for the next year, let alone this season:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/15/uk-coronavirus-crisis-to-last-until-spring-2021-and-could-see-79m-hospitalised

Quarantining could not last that long. Footy will be back next season.


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[Since90+2]

If this is true then we could be looking at no football for the next year, let alone this season:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/15/uk-coronavirus-crisis-to-last-until-spring-2021-and-could-see-79m-hospitalised

What a ridiculous thing to put in the public arena. The public are already scared enough without this being released - what good can that possibly serve? The Guardian should be ashamed.

There will be lots of worse case scenario memos going about but it we look at China and South Korea it's probably on the very unlikely end of the scale.

[Brightside]

Maybe you should stop giving legal advice if unqualified to do so.

Hes not giving legal advice.... we are just shooting the breeze about the current issue. Hibs.net is not a court of law. Relax

[lapsedhibee]

What a ridiculous thing to put in the public arena. The public are already scared enough without this being released - what good can that possibly serve? The Guardian should be ashamed.

There will be lots of worse case scenario memos going about but it we look at China and South Korea it's probably on the very unlikely end of the scale.
You're aware that China and South Korea's governments took action to try to minimise the effect, whereas the UK government didn't?

As for newspapers being "ashamed" to print anything other than the government's BS, you cannot be serious. Plenty other news outlets always ready to do that work.

[Keith_M]

What a ridiculous thing to put in the public arena. The public are already scared enough without this being released - what good can that possibly serve? The Guardian should be ashamed.

There will be lots of worse case scenario memos going about but it we look at China and South Korea it's probably on the very unlikely end of the scale.



The Guardian seem to enjoy scaremongering as much as the rest of the Media.

As you say disappointing, but not surprising.

[Andy74]

Quarantining could not last that long. Footy will be back next season.


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I think that’s right. The measures being put in place just now across the piece are purely to attempt to slow down and contain.

Even if this thing is with us for months or years the ongoing arrangements are not sustainable - and they won’t be sustained.

[Jones28]

If this is true then we could be looking at no football for the next year, let alone this season:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/15/uk-coronavirus-crisis-to-last-until-spring-2021-and-could-see-79m-hospitalised

Right, well that’ll be toilet roll sold out until the end of time.

[The 90+2]

If the Scottish Cup get extended to the start of next season then who gets the European place this season? Also if we win that cup next year but don’t win the other Scottish cup at the end of the season who gets the Europe place? What a head fk.

[mcohibs]

If the Scottish Cup get extended to the start of next season then who gets the European place this season? Also if we win that cup next year but don’t win the other Scottish cup at the end of the season who gets the Europe place? What a head fk.

Is that being discussed as an option? Haven't seen that anywhere

[Waxy]

If the Scottish Cup get extended to the start of next season then who gets the European place this season? Also if we win that cup next year but don’t win the other Scottish cup at the end of the season who gets the Europe place? What a head fk.
Uefa might insist all leagues are completed once ok to do so.
Might be the only way to stop all the legal issues.
Still have player contract issues but that seems the easiest way to get through this.

[Onion]

Uefa might insist all leagues are completed once ok to do so.
Might be the only way to stop all the legal issues.
Still have player contract issues but that seems the easiest way to get through this.

Would be shocked if UEFA don't have established rules to deal with a situation where a country cannot fulfil its fixtures. The only problem comes from nations at different stages of their season.

[Ozyhibby]

Would be shocked if UEFA don't have established rules to deal with a situation where a country cannot fulfil its fixtures. The only problem comes from nations at different stages of their season.

I think uefa rely on the different associations to work out themselves who they send for uefa comps. It’s the SFA who decide who goes into Europe despite qualification coming from the league which is run by the spfl. I don’t think uefa will make any kind of ruling for the whole of Europe. They will likely only offer guidance.


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[HendoDelivered]

@gav_wallace1 (bbc) Sources telling me that Scottish football will stop until September. League standings will be final, there will no closed door games due to Insurance’s not covering the risks of catching the virus from playing. The league cup will not run next season...

[Greenworld]

If the Scottish Cup get extended to the start of next season then who gets the European place this season? Also if we win that cup next year but don’t win the other Scottish cup at the end of the season who gets the Europe place? What a head fk.Imagine winning two scottish cups in one season

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[Jim44]

@gav_wallace1 (bbc) Sources telling me that Scottish football will stop until September. League standings will be final, there will no closed door games due to Insurance’s not covering the risks of catching the virus from playing. The league cup will not run next season...

Is this an update on last night’s Wallace tweet or is it just the same one that was discussed on here last night?

[Peevemor]

Is this an update on last night’s Wallace tweet or is it just the same one that was discussed on here last night?

Same one.

[Heisenberg]

BREAKING NEWS

@JamTarts owner Ann Budge says she will take legal action if Hearts are relegated from the Scottish Premiership due to any decision to end the league season early

More on @SkySportsNews and skysports.com

On what basis could they get away with legal action? If the league is decided on an average points basis they are still ****ed.

[Ozyhibby]

BREAKING NEWS

@JamTarts owner Ann Budge says she will take legal action if Hearts are relegated from the Scottish Premiership due to any decision to end the league season early

More on @SkySportsNews and skysports.com

On what basis could they get away with legal action? If the league is decided on an average points basis they are still ****ed.

This must be the way discussions are going if she feels the need to go public.


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[The 90+2]

BREAKING NEWS

@JamTarts owner Ann Budge says she will take legal action if Hearts are relegated from the Scottish Premiership due to any decision to end the league season early

More on @SkySportsNews and skysports.com

On what basis could they get away with legal action? If the league is decided on an average points basis they are still ****ed.

Hearts owner more worried about taking legal action in spite of what’s going on around the world? Hearts are sponsored by a charity 😂

[Ozyhibby]

The bloke from Alloa on the radio the other day who is VP of the Spfl and is on the board said that although it’s a board decision they will be going with what the members want them to do. It it was just premier league, who would vote for null and void, given the potential for delays to payments and legal issues?
Hearts and Sevco are the only two I could think of?
Not looking good if it comes down to a vote.


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[Since90+2]

BREAKING NEWS

@JamTarts owner Ann Budge says she will take legal action if Hearts are relegated from the Scottish Premiership due to any decision to end the league season early

More on @SkySportsNews and skysports.com

On what basis could they get away with legal action? If the league is decided on an average points basis they are still ****ed.

She's already been given the nod of what's to come for her to come out with that statement. Shame for hearts - they are going to be facing some real financial hardship in the coming year or so.

[Andy74]

BREAKING NEWS

@JamTarts owner Ann Budge says she will take legal action if Hearts are relegated from the Scottish Premiership due to any decision to end the league season early

More on @SkySportsNews and skysports.com

On what basis could they get away with legal action? If the league is decided on an average points basis they are still ****ed.

I hope it costs them a fortune.

She’s soon to be working from home for four months anyway.

[mcohibs]

I think we could be waiting a while to hear what the outcome of this will be. At least until the initial hiatus period is over. Doubt the league would want to rush into making any decision until they know for certain that we'll be unable to finish the season. They'll be holding out for that becuase surely that must be their prefrred option and the one likely to cause the least hassle or aggravation from clubs.

[Moulin Yarns]

CORONAVIRUS LATEST

@JamTarts preparing legal action if relegated due to Coronavirus crisis, says owner Ann Budge

https://t.co/mK38L2fcIS https://t.co/84SCK4nm61

[Hibeesmad]

Play the games behind closed doors until further notice.

[eezyrider]

Would be shocked if UEFA don't have established rules to deal with a situation where a country cannot fulfil its fixtures. The only problem comes from nations at different stages of their season.

I'm sure they do. I seem to recall they were established when Yugoslavia broke up with about 10 games to go. At that time positions at the suspension of the competition stood.

EZ

[Eyrie]

Play the games behind closed doors until further notice.

The official advice is to minimise social contact, so forcing players to attend training or play a game would probably invalidate a club's insurance. And it would only take one player from either club to test positive for the game to be postponed again as everyone they have been in contact with self-isolates.

[eezyrider]

The official advice is to minimise social contact, so forcing players to attend training or play a game would probably invalidate a club's insurance. And it would only take one player from either club to test positive for the game to be postponed again as everyone they have been in contact with self-isolates.


This has always confused me. Normal people are to attend work. School kids have to attend to school. But footballers are to fragile to train I the open air??

EZ

[theonlywayisup]

US recession could be on horizon - Trump
US outbreak could continue until August - Trump
France will go into enforced lockdown from Tuesday midday, all residents have been ordered to stay at home, and can only leave for essential reasons - Macron
UK virus death toll reaches 55, we're three weeks behind where Italy are now - Johnson

Wake up Ms Budge, please wake up. No-one is worrying about your 'wee' team.

[CockneyRebel]

BREAKING NEWS

@JamTarts owner Ann Budge says she will take legal action if Hearts are relegated from the Scottish Premiership due to any decision to end the league season early

More on @SkySportsNews and skysports.com

On what basis could they get away with legal action? If the league is decided on an average points basis they are still ****ed.


No. She actually says they will take legal advice - not legal action.

[allezsauzee]

Finish the season later this year then move to summer football in March 2021

[The 90+2]

Finish the season later this year then move to summer football in March 2021

Any idea how clubs can afford that?

[007]

14 team Premiership, promote Dundee United, Inverness and Dundee and relegate Hearts.

[04Sauzee]

Finish the season later this year then move to summer football in March 2021

Later this season when? When do clubs start selling seasons for next season. If clubs don't have any revenue until next summer we will only have about 5 or 6 teams left to compete in any league

[Ozyhibby]

14 team Premiership, promote Dundee United, Inverness and Dundee and relegate Hearts.

Nobody in the top flight or Sky want that.


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[Scouse Hibee]

Maybe you should stop giving legal advice if unqualified to do so.

😂 Who’s he giving advice to?

[jacomo]

Hearts owner more worried about taking legal action in spite of what’s going on around the world? Hearts are sponsored by a charity 😂


And they won a war.

Heroic sacrifice is their thing, so they keep saying.

[Since452]

14 team Premiership, promote Dundee United, Inverness and Dundee and relegate Hearts.

There's more chance of a 10 team league and relegating Hearts and Hamilton with no promotion. Anything over a 12 team league will never happen.

[Ozyhibby]

https://en.as.com/en/2020/03/16/football/1584356821_624528.amp.html?__twitter_impression=tr ue

Uefa leaning towards current standings.


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[Blaster]

Rangers need to be careful looking for the season to be null and void. If that happens to European competition too then our co-efficient would drop back meaning only 1 Champions League places from 2021.

[Waxy]

Rangers need to be careful looking for the season to be null and void. If that happens to European competition too then our co-efficient would drop back meaning only 1 Champions League places from 2021.

And they wouldnt get their europa league money which must be a fair amount.

[Bostonhibby]

No. She actually says they will take legal advice - not legal action.Taken quite a bit of legal advice down the years and an awful lot of it has been along the lines of winning will be difficult and it'll be expensive either way.

Crack on Mrs doctor Budge and her sevco pal.

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[franks]

I think we could be waiting a while to hear what the outcome of this will be. At least until the initial hiatus period is over. Doubt the league would want to rush into making any decision until they know for certain that we'll be unable to finish the season. They'll be holding out for that becuase surely that must be their prefrred option and the one likely to cause the least hassle or aggravation from clubs.

Although it may eventually prove impossible to finish the season I would agree with the above at this time. UEFA will likely suspend the euros today to free up dates for domestic competitions to be concluded at a later date if possible.

[The 90+2]

And they won a war.

Heroic sacrifice is their thing, so they keep saying.

When it suits them, obviously. ****ers.

[Ozyhibby]

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[Waxy]

Maybe to let leagues conclude from around june/july if possible.

[A Hi-Bee]

End it now and see if they can start again in August with a new season (no Guarantee on that the way things are going)

[Ozyhibby]

https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hearts/uefa-plan-scottish-leagues-finish-june-30-2481631

June 30th completion date?


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[theonlywayisup]

https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hearts/uefa-plan-scottish-leagues-finish-june-30-2481631

June 30th completion date?


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Sounds like a way forward, though all dependent on what happens next with Coronavirus. I'm sure that all Scottish clubs will support the desire to end the season by June 30. It's what happens next, if they can't that will be interesting to see.



Scottish football has been urged to return before July after UEFA proposed that domestic European leagues make "maximum effort" to finish by June 30 this year.

According to the Polish FA, the Continent's governing body hope seasons will be completed by that date – provided the Coronavirus allows it.

Their idea could see league games played midweek and European ties at weekends if necessary, with discussions on the way forward due to continue with national associations.

The plans are ambitious but the Scottish Football Association and Scottish Professional Football League are expected to follow guidelines from UEFA on the matter.

UEFA made a host of recommendations during conference calls with national associations on Tuesday, and confirmed that Euro 2020 is postponed until summer 2021.

Additionally, they plan to stage the Champions League and Europa League finals in June, plus European Championship play-offs including Scotland v Israel.

Domestic football across Europe is in shutdown, with clubs fearing their fate will be decided on current league positions. However, assuming UEFA’s plan is feasible, teams may yet get to play all outstanding league and cup fixtures.

The situation remains fluid as talks continue with football associations across the Continent.

A UEFA statement read: “UEFA today announced the postponement of its flagship national team competition, UEFA EURO 2020, due to be played in June and July this year.

“The health of all those involved in the game is the priority, as well as to avoid placing any unnecessary pressure on national public services involved in staging matches. The move will help all domestic competitions, currently on hold due to the COVID-19 emergency, to be completed.

“All UEFA competitions and matches (including friendlies) for clubs and national teams for both men and women have been put on hold until further notice. The UEFA EURO 2020 Play-off matches and international friendlies, scheduled for the end of March, will now be played in the international window at the start of June, subject to a review of the situation.

“A working group has been set up with the participation of leagues and club representatives to examine calendar solutions that would allow for the completion of the current season and any other consequence of the decisions made today.

“The decisions, taken by UEFA’s Executive Committee, followed videoconference meetings held today with the Presidents and General Secretaries of the 55 national associations, as well as representatives of the European Club Association, European Leagues and FIFPro Europe, convened by UEFA President Aleksander Čeferin, to find a coherent plan to break the logjam of fixtures building up due to the spread of the virus across the continent.

“Announcing the decisions, Aleksander Čeferin [UEFA chief executive] said: ‘We are at the helm of a sport that vast numbers of people live and breathe that has been laid low by this invisible and fast-moving opponent. It is at times like these, that the football community needs to show responsibility, unity, solidarity and altruism.

‘The health of fans, staff and players has to be our number one priority and in that spirit, UEFA tabled a range of options so that competitions can finish this season safely and I am proud of the response of my colleagues across European football. There was a real spirit of co-operation, with everyone recognising that they had to sacrifice something in order to achieve the best result.

‘It was important that, as the governing body of European football, UEFA led the process and made the biggest sacrifice. Moving EURO 2020 comes at a huge cost for UEFA but we will do our best to ensure that the vital funding for grassroots, women’s football and the development of the game in our 55 countries is not affected. Purpose over profit has been our guiding principle in taking this decision for the good of European football as a whole.

‘Football is an uplifting and powerful force in society. The thought of celebrating a pan-European festival of football in empty stadia, with deserted fan zones while the continent sits at home in isolation, is a joyless one and one we could not accept to celebrate the 60th anniversary of the competition.

‘I would like to thank the European Club Association, the European Leagues and FIFPro Europe for their great work today and for their cooperation. I would also like to thank from the bottom of my heart the 55 national associations, their Presidents and General Secretaries, and my colleagues from the Executive Committee for their support and wise decisions. The fine detail will be worked out in the coming weeks but the basic principles have been agreed and that is a major step forward. We have all shown that we are responsible leaders. We have demonstrated solidarity and unity. Purpose over profit. We’ve achieved this today.

‘I would also like to thank Alejandro Dominguez and CONMEBOL, who have agreed to move CONMEBOL’s 2020 Copa America in order to follow the recommendations issued by the international public health organisations to enact extreme measures and as a result of EURO 2020 being postponed. This means that clubs and leagues in Europe will have as little disruption as possible in the availability of their players. These joint efforts and especially this coordinated and responsible decision, are deeply appreciated by the whole European football community.

‘I would like to thank FIFA and its President, Gianni Infantino, who has indicated it will do whatever is required to make this new calendar work. In the face of this crisis, football has shown its best side with openness, solidarity and tolerance.’”

[Ozyhibby]

Sounds like a way forward, though all dependent on what happens next with Coronavirus. I'm sure that all Scottish clubs will support the desire to end the season by June 30. It's what happens next, if they can't that will be interesting to see.

Wonder how player contracts ending in May will be dealt with? I doubt it will be possible to play before then but if we can then the contract issue needs sorted early.


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[Ozyhibby]

If Killie can’t get their players signed up (only 4 signed past May) then they will forfeit all their games giving Hearts one less fixture to catch up?


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[Real Emerald]

https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hearts/uefa-plan-scottish-leagues-finish-june-30-2481631

June 30th completion date?


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IMO there’s no way our football fixtures will be completed by then.

[Ozyhibby]

IMO there’s no way our football fixtures will be completed by then.

I agree. Nothing has changed. It’s up to the spfl now to make the call.


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[CMurdoch]

https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hearts/uefa-plan-scottish-leagues-finish-june-30-2481631

June 30th completion date?


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Dream on UEFA.
They have no influence in this matter.
Football associations will do as they are told by their governments.
There will be no football in the next 3 months

[James Stephen]

The Cab Sec for Health just put the NHS on an "emergency footing" for the next 3 months - that takes us to 17th June, with rumours of schools and even our parliament closing till end of June.

Id say it is highly unlikely.

[BoomtownHibees]

Posted on the Hearts thread however how about we just end the season now and then everyone starts next season on the same points as they ended on this season?

Just a suggestion I saw on Twitter somewhere and thought it would be interesting, although there are obvious pluses and minuses as with every other idea

[Greenworld]

I agree. Nothing has changed. It’s up to the spfl now to make the call.


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[Caversham Green]

If Killie can’t get their players signed up (only 4 signed past May) then they will forfeit all their games giving Hearts one less fixture to catch up?


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Does that include their reserve and under-age squads? IMO they'll just have to cope as best they can anyway, just like every one else that's affected by the virus. More fool them anyway for getting themselves in that position.

For the season there might be scope to play up to the split and declare the season then. That gives HoMFC a chance to avoid relegation so that Budge can shut her moaning puss but "Rangers" can't catch Celtc, not that they were going to anyway and they moan about everything regardless.

[theonlywayisup]

I agree. Nothing has changed. It’s up to the spfl now to make the call.


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My take on it is that UEFA has given until the end of June to allow member associations to finish the leagues to prevent any impact on next season. All the member associations can now try and make plans to do this, but they are playing a waiting game to see what happens next.

If the virus continues to hang around through the summer as some are predicting, then there's no way the season can be concluded and I think the member associations will then have to end the season giving out prizes (and relegation) based on current positions. Some will not like it, but there's no alternative.

[James Stephen]

100% ist the ridiculous side of UEFA it would take a miracle to continue

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In fairness to UEFA, they are dealing with countries that are also potentially weeks ahead of us in dealing with the infection, and have the billions of champions league broadcasting deals to consider. Plus the big clubs will be fine to ride out a long period of inactivity.

[theonlywayisup]

French Open (Tennis) postponed until autumn. Instead of starting on 24 May, it will be held from 20 September to 4 October 2020, organisers Roland Garros announce.

[G B Young]

French Open (Tennis) postponed until autumn. Instead of starting on 24 May, it will be held from 20 September to 4 October 2020, organisers Roland Garros announce.

Crazy. That would see it starting just a week after the US Open. Why not just cancel it this year like most other major events have done?

[G B Young]

I agree. Nothing has changed. It’s up to the spfl now to make the call.


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As you say, no chance the season would get completed by then.

And no coincidence it's allisbarry who's running with that story in an attempt to deflect from Hearts' relegation fears.

[Ozyhibby]

As you say, no chance the season would get completed by then.

And no coincidence it's allisbarry who's running with that story in an attempt to deflect from Hearts' relegation fears.

One good thing is uefa have set a deadline of June 30th so people can stop posting hair brained schemes for playing out this season from August etc. June 30th is now a deadline.


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[Hillsidehibby]

Posted on the Hearts thread however how about we just end the season now and then everyone starts next season on the same points as they ended on this season?

Just a suggestion I saw on Twitter somewhere and thought it would be interesting, although there are obvious pluses and minuses as with every other idea

No way. They must finish the season with the dross they have just now.

[Ozyhibby]

We should switch to summer football from 2021, play this season to a conclusion after this epidemic then start next season to run from March to November, both cups should be played first part of the season with a late summer final and the second half of the season should be all about the league & European football..
While we’re at it lets extend the premier league to 16 teams.

Brilliant.[emoji23][emoji23][emoji23]


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[RoxburghHibs]

End the league season as it stands.

Play the Scottish cup ties in early June and start the league season later that same month. Scrap the LC for the 2020-2021 season.

[Tambo]

english championship teams wants to finish the season.

[Tambo]

More meetings tomorrow with the english football board.

[truehibernian]

english championship teams wants to finish the season.

No wonder, any club down to Birmingham in 16th place could realistically get into the play-off positions and have a chance of the potential riches of the EPL.

This will be a watershed moment for English clubs in their lower leagues and their chronic overspending and inflating the football markets will come back not only to bite them, but see many fold I reckon. Many Scottish clubs will be in danger of going under too.

I'd be wanting to know why there are no cash reserves at the Scottish Football Association :cb

[jgl07]

No wonder, any club down to Birmingham in 16th place could realistically get into the play-off positions and have a chance of the potential riches of the EPL.

This will be a watershed moment for English clubs in their lower leagues and their chronic overspending and inflating the football markets will come back not only to bite them, but see many fold I reckon. Many Scottish clubs will be in danger of going under too.

I'd be wanting to know why there are no cash reserves at the Scottish Football Association :cb

Why should the SFA have reserves. There would have been ‘questions in Parliament’ in normal circumstances if it came out that the SFA was sitting on a mountain of cash.

The SFA has bugger-all to do with running the professional game. That would be the SPFL and they would not sit on cash reserves either. They distribute cash to clubs in the agreed formula.

[mjhibby]

One good thing is uefa have set a deadline of June 30th so people can stop posting hair brained schemes for playing out this season from August etc. June 30th is now a deadline.


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Just the clarity that was needed. If we don't start back playing by the middle of may then the season is effectively over. There is still the huge problems with out of contract players and getting them insured plus players on loan. Surely as the season is extended then so should loaned players stay at their current club till the season is over. The June 30 date is maybe taking into account the transfer window. In reality the season is over and the league bodies are just kicking the can down the road.

[Ozyhibby]

Just the clarity that was needed. If we don't start back playing by the middle of may then the season is effectively over. There is still the huge problems with out of contract players and getting them insured plus players on loan. Surely as the season is extended then so should loaned players stay at their current club till the season is over. The June 30 date is maybe taking into account the transfer window. In reality the season is over and the league bodies are just kicking the can down the road.

The season is over. I’m almost certain we won’t be playing before the end of June. But now that uefa have told us we might be, the clubs will now have to spend money they don’t have trying to get players to extend their contracts by one month even though it’s very unlikely we will play. I think the spfl may step in and stop that.


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[steviehibsleith]

So UEFA state season ends June 30th .....
No null and void or anything else being banded about
On June 30 League position stands and if no further games then by my reading only Automatic promotions and relegations with Team in first place crowned champions

Pretty straight forward and given The pandemic situation would meet anyone’s Criteria to allow UEFA to legally complete this .

[AllyT]

The season is over. I’m almost certain we won’t be playing before the end of June. But now that uefa have told us we might be, the clubs will now have to spend money they don’t have trying to get players to extend their contracts by one month even though it’s very unlikely we will play. I think the spfl may step in and stop that.


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I thought most players contracts expired at the end of June?

[Ozyhibby]

I thought most players contracts expired at the end of June?

Mostly the end of May in Scotland.


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[Lago]

Unlikely the new season will start as planned.

[Renfrew_Hibby]

Mostly the end of May in Scotland.


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Contracts usually end when the season ends, certainly the case with most clubs.

[Greenworld]

I thought most players contracts expired at the end of June?We have most players including our loan players contracted to 31st May

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[Moulin Yarns]

We have most players including our loan players contracted to 31st May

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I've said it before, there is a pause in the league season, is it not possible for clubs and players to agree to stop the clock on contracts so that everything resumes at the same time. Football is back and players contracts continues with whatever time is left to the end of the season.

All I got was that players won't want to play in case they get injured, but they would still be under contract until the revised season end.

I'm trying to see a solution while others are only seeing problems.

[Unseen work]

It’s all going to get very messy if the league is extended into June.

Out of contract players and loans ending could massively change the fortunes of some clubs.

What if for example Miller and Gogic, two of Hamilton’s best players who are out of contact end of May refuse to sign a one or two month extension then sign for Hearts?

Both would be eligible to do this on current rules.

We would all be without

Whittikar
Slivka
Omeonga
McNulty
Naismith
Docherty
Bogdan

Imo doing that would be more unfair than calling the league as it is.

[Cod Boy]

Kamberi to come back and score the winner in the cup final 😏

[Since452]

I think the schools being shut will be the catalyst for other closures. Seems inevitable the season will be cancelled indefinitely.

[Onion]

It’s all going to get very messy if the league is extended into June.

Out of contract players and loans ending could massively change the fortunes of some clubs.

What if for example Miller and Gogic, two of Hamilton’s best players who are out of contact end of May refuse to sign a one or two month extension then sign for Hearts?

Both would be eligible to do this on current rules.

We would all be without

Whittikar
Slivka
Omeonga
McNulty
Naismith
Docherty
Bogdan

Imo doing that would be more unfair than calling the league as it is.

Another reason the extension is a nonsense. Players who are currently injured, could be back fit again. Loan players would have been recalled. Both of these could have a material impact on the outcome. Doesn't the transfer window open in June ? There would have to be rules set for all of these.

[jacomo]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/51943347

Stephen O’Donnell says we should play on until the split - another 3 matches for most teams in the top league.

Problem with that is:

1) may not be time for even 3 matches before the end of June, which is when UEFA want this season to be finished, and
2) doesn’t do much for the lower leagues who don’t have a split

[Dashing Bob S]

Jambos down please - rest pretty much irrelevant

[Hibeesmad]

UEFA have apparently confirmed that Liverpool wont be given the title if the season is cancelled.

[hibsquaker]

Jambos down please - rest pretty much irrelevant

I echo this. Heart Doon. If we say it enough times it'll happen!

[Moulin Yarns]

UEFA have apparently confirmed that Liverpool wont be given the title if the season is cancelled.

Link?

[James Stephen]

UEFA have apparently confirmed that Liverpool wont be given the title if the season is cancelled.

It's not UEFAs decision i dont think

[mjhibby]

It’s all going to get very messy if the league is extended into June.

Out of contract players and loans ending could massively change the fortunes of some clubs.

What if for example Miller and Gogic, two of Hamilton’s best players who are out of contact end of May refuse to sign a one or two month extension then sign for Hearts?

Both would be eligible to do this on current rules.

We would all be without

Whittikar
Slivka
Omeonga
McNulty
Naismith
Docherty
Bogdan

Imo doing that would be more unfair than calling the league as it is.

The simple solution is that players stay with their current clubs until the season is finished. I think that's why uefa said the season needs to be completed by Jun 30th. This won't interfere with the transfer window. That's how it looks to me.

[Moulin Yarns]

The simple solution is that players stay with their current clubs until the season is finished. I think that's why uefa said the season needs to be completed by Jun 30th. This won't interfere with the transfer window. That's how it looks to me.

YES. someone else gets it. 😁

[matty_f]

YES. someone else gets it. 😁

It's not as easy as that, though. Ideally that would be fine and everyone would agree to do their part, but the reality is that players will be out of contract, have moves to other clubs agreed, etc - footballers are workers and have rights, you can't just enforce a rule that they have to unilaterally extend contracts.

[Moulin Yarns]

It's not as easy as that, though. Ideally that would be fine and everyone would agree to do their part, but the reality is that players will be out of contract, have moves to other clubs agreed, etc - footballers are workers and have rights, you can't just enforce a rule that they have to unilaterally extend contracts.

I'm not saying that you unilaterally extend contracts. Read my previous posts.

There is a pause to the season, and it would be reasonable to have the same pause to football contracts. These are exceptional times and they call for exceptional moves.

A player signs to the end of the season, expected to be may, but as the season is extended because of unprecedented circumstances then it makes sense to do the same with contracts.

I'll add, why should a club sign a player outside of the transfer window, again, set by the end of, and beginning of the season.


UEFA may have to decide.

[JohnM1875]

UEFA have apparently confirmed that Liverpool wont be given the title if the season is cancelled.

I think that would be the case for any league if the season is cancelled.

I don't think that'll happen anywhere though. It'll be declared finished with current standings. Not cancelled.

[Ozyhibby]

I'm not saying that you unilaterally extend contracts. Read my previous posts.

There is a pause to the season, and it would be reasonable to have the same pause to football contracts. These are exceptional times and they call for exceptional moves.

A player signs to the end of the season, expected to be may, but as the season is extended because of unprecedented circumstances then it makes sense to do the same with contracts.

I'll add, why should a club sign a player outside of the transfer window, again, set by the end of, and beginning of the season.


UEFA may have to decide.

Each individual player would have to agree to it.


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[matty_f]

Budge's statement indicates they don't expect to be playing football again until July/August.

They're relegated - Uefa want the league done by June, they can't do that if they're not playing games until July, so I think the final standings will be where clubs are now. That puts them in the Championship and that's why it's so urgent to cut costs immediately - it's not just the income from the rest of this season they're mitigating against, it's the severe drop in income next season as well which would cripple them without drastic measures now.

[Eyrie]

Each individual player would have to agree to it.


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Correct. Any player who believe he can get a better contract with another club for next season would be daft to play under his current contract beyond the end of May when it ends.

[Waxy]

They’re down and playing the sympathy card.
Shock.

[Moulin Yarns]

Each individual player would have to agree to it.


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Or some overpaid eejit at the SPFL/SFA make a decision that because the football season is in limbo then all players contracts are similarly put on hold until the season starts again.

Not rocket science in these unprecedented times.

Again, if there is no football before August, which clubs, don't laugh, will splash out on more players sitting on their *****.

[Andy74]

Or some overpaid eejit at the SPFL/SFA make a decision that because the football season is in limbo then all players contracts are similarly put on hold until the season starts again.

Not rocket science in these unprecedented times.

Again, if there is no football before August, which clubs, don't laugh, will splash out on more players sitting on their *****.

They are individual contracts. Registrations are different but the governing bodies can’t dictate extensions to contracts.

[Scouse Hibee]

UEFA have apparently confirmed that Liverpool wont be given the title if the season is cancelled.

That’s nice of them but it’s not their decision to make so fake news.

[Ozyhibby]

That’s nice of them but it’s not their decision to make so fake news.

Yip and no matter how rich they are, clubs down south will also be thinking about money coming in and unlocking next seasons funds. They will not want to delay start to next season.


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[JOD]

Just done a wee calculation on how it used to be if it staid the same.

Bear in mind we lost a league on this formula ( goal average) and so did Hearts.

It was the accepted way for over 70 years in our Scottish Football.

Relegated would be Ross County at 48.3 %

[lapsedhibee]

Just done a wee calculation on how it used to be if it staid the same.

Bear in mind we lost a league on this formula ( goal average) and so did Hearts.

It was the accepted way for over 70 years in our Scottish Football.

Relegated would be Ross County at 48.3 %

Hearts lost a league on goal average only because they didn't get more points in 1965 than Kilmarnock. They would have got more points if they'd managed a draw in the last game of the season, but they didn't. Shame. Not sure if a similar situation has occurred since then.

Ross would not be relegated under any old system used in Scotland.

[Green Badger]

Just done a wee calculation on how it used to be if it staid the same.

Bear in mind we lost a league on this formula ( goal average) and so did Hearts.

It was the accepted way for over 70 years in our Scottish Football.

Relegated would be Ross County at 48.3 %

I thought goal average was only used when teams ended up on same points?

[lapsedhibee]

I thought goal average was only used when teams ended up on same points?

:agree:

[SetonClapper]

I think it's inevitable that the season will not be completed and that all the leagues will be voided. The teams vying for championships and promotion will be disadvantaged, but I suspect from a legal perspective will have much less of an argument than teams relegated having completed only a subset of the fixtures. Somebody is always going to lose out.

[houstonhibbee]

I think it's inevitable that the season will not be completed and that all the leagues will be voided. The teams vying for championships and promotion will be disadvantaged, but I suspect from a legal perspective will have much less of an argument than teams relegated having completed only a subset of the fixtures. Somebody is always going to lose out.
I thought the euros were pushed back to 2021 so all this seasons competitions could be completed over the summer?

[Keith_M]

Just done a wee calculation on how it used to be if it staid the same.

Bear in mind we lost a league on this formula ( goal average) and so did Hearts.

It was the accepted way for over 70 years in our Scottish Football.

Relegated would be Ross County at 48.3 %


That's not how Goal Average works.

Like Goal Difference, it's to separate teams who finish on the same points.


e.g.

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[SetonClapper]

I thought the euros were pushed back to 2021 so all this seasons competitions could be completed over the summer?

They have been but I don't think many folk now believe that even that will the leagues to conclude.

[Ozyhibby]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/amp/football/51943346?__twitter_impression=true
League reconstruction rears it’s head again. Needs 75% of clubs in favour. Can’t see that happening.


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[BoomtownHibees]

English games suspended until 30th April at the earliest

[Danderhall Hibs]

English games suspended until 30th April at the earliest

And the season extended.

[Deansy]

Hearts lost a league on goal average only because they didn't get more points in 1965 than Kilmarnock. They would have got more points if they'd managed a draw in the last game of the season, but they didn't. Shame. Not sure if a similar situation has occurred since then.

Ross would not be relegated under any old system used in Scotland.

Iirc, when the rules were changed in 1965, Hearts were the leading club demanding change - had the rules stayed as before, Hearts would've won the league, not Kilmarnock !. Gotta love the irony !

[Steven79]

Iirc, when the rules were changed in 1965, Hearts were the leading club demanding change - had the rules stayed as before, Hearts would've won the league, not Kilmarnock !. Gotta love the irony !

:top marks

[Ozyhibby]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200319/9a60eec1bbabe5ce9d1722c1314a0cae.plist
Peter Lawell.


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[Waxy]

Pretty much a given now that the season cannot just be voided.
It was a daft suggestion to begin with.

[mim]

Iirc, when the rules were changed in 1965, Hearts were the leading club demanding change - had the rules stayed as before, Hearts would've won the league, not Kilmarnock !. Gotta love the irony !

When Killie won the league, it was on goal average. If goal difference had been introduced, Hearts would have won the league.

[Ozyhibby]

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[Ozyhibby]

https://www.scottishfa.co.uk/news/coronavirus-joint-response-group-update-19-march/

Predictably the SFA and SPFL just copied the FA in England exactly with another pie in the sky aim to restart in May.
Absolutely terrible lack of leadeship.



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[Frankhfc]

https://www.scottishfa.co.uk/news/coronavirus-joint-response-group-update-19-march/

Predictably the SFA and SPFL just copied the FA in England exactly with another pie in the sky aim to restart in May.
Absolutely terrible lack of leadeship.



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Could be that they're moving further away from calling the season completed as is?

Hearts coming flying out of the traps very publically decrying poverty and seeing the likes of David Southern and Alan Maclaren etc wheeled out into the spotlight spouting off has certainly applied some pressure into the mix.

There certainly appears to be a shift towards reconstruction as a middle ground alternative. However, I seen a report that ex SFA President Gordon Smith has come out in favour of completed as is if the games cannot be fulfilled.

Its uncertain how this is going to play out but there does seem to be gamesmanship from Hearts and pressure applied in my opinion.

I could be reading it completely wrongly though.

Mon Hibs

[Ozyhibby]

Raith say null and void not an option for them. Will support ending season as is but open to reconstruction.


https://www.fifetoday.co.uk/sport/football/raith-rovers-chairman-calls-promotion-and-prize-money-coronavirus-puts-club-financial-jeopardy-2503012


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[G B Young]

With each passing day making it ever clearer that things are going to get a lot worse before they get better it seems increasingly daft that the authorities are dragging their heels over this. By far the most clear-cut solution is to declare the season over as it stands.

[KingPat4]

End season 19/20 now, with current placings, . Cancel all cup competition.

EUFA & FIFA should be taking the lead.

[MWHIBBIES]

End season 19/20 now, with current placings, . Cancel all cup competition.

EUFA & FIFA should be taking the lead.

Would cause huge issues. Bad idea. Would see huge court battles. Season must be finished.

[Moulin Yarns]

Would cause huge issues. Bad idea. Would see huge court battles. Season must be finished.

English rugby union has ended their season below Premier league. No decision yet on whether final position stands yet.

[Ozyhibby]

Would cause huge issues. Bad idea. Would see huge court battles. Season must be finished.

You must know the season can’t be finished? There will be no football before July. And it can’t be finished after that because the clubs have no money and the only way they can get money is start next season. You do know all that, don’t you?


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[Moulin Yarns]

You must know the season can’t be finished? There will be no football before July. And it can’t be finished after that because the clubs have no money and the only way they can get money is start next season. You do know all that, don’t you?


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But I thought all those out of contract players would be getting signed up by clubs in June? 🤔

[Waxy]

I’ve no idea why anyone thinks theres a need for league reconstruction.
The league are great as they are and the season ending playoffs are pretty exciting.It puts alot of teams right into the mix till the end.
Why are we even bringing up reconstruction?

[Scottie]

I’ve no idea why anyone thinks theres a need for league reconstruction.
The league are great as they are and the season ending playoffs are pretty exciting.It puts alot of teams right into the mix till the end.
Why are we even bringing up reconstruction?Because the gunts are involved

[Onion]

April 30th day is for planning only, even the SFA admit that it's highly unlikely to restart. Looks like SFA simply kicking the can along the road, avoiding the tough decisions while forcing clubs to tough it out for 2 months financially. The decision to stop and end the season will be a lot easier in May than it is now and there may be a bit more realism among clubs. Hearts and DUFC will get the relegation and promotion they deserve.

[Onion]

I’ve no idea why anyone thinks theres a need for league reconstruction.
The league are great as they are and the season ending playoffs are pretty exciting.It puts alot of teams right into the mix till the end.
Why are we even bringing up reconstruction?

Because it's Hearts.

[mjhibby]

Would cause huge issues. Bad idea. Would see huge court battles. Season must be finished.

Really. There is provision in the sfa rules that any decisions needed which is outside the normal functions is biding and all teams have signed up to it. If the majority of clubs vote to end as is then that's it. No legal challenges. The only slight amendment we be if teams have games in hand that could have affected their finishing position. Im fairly certain this will be the outcome. Only partick in league one would have a game in hand that would affect outcomes.