Sky sports news Celtic bid for McGinn turned down

[The Leith Dutch]

Because of the SJM saga, I can see Celtic playing hardball with us over Allan if we make a move for him.

Hardball is an emotive term that distorts what's going on. It's business.

Why would Celtic want to do anything other than realise the best value for one of their assets?
Exactly like we're doing with McGinn.
We should neither expect or do them any favours.

If that value is as a makeweight in a McGinn deal then it'll be that and it might "feel" cheaper if they give us more money for McGinn and "feel" pricier if they give us less money. But they will try to make the most they can of Allan again, exactly like we're doing with McGinn.

Part of the problem with a value on SA is that how he plays for us makes him a more valuable player than he is objectively.

For example, if we went out and spent 2 million in transfer fee on an attacking midfielder I'm not certain we could get someone that does for us what SA has done fairly consistently during his time in a Hibs shirt.

That doesn't mean Scott Allan is a £2m player btw but it does highlight the lunacy of the focus on money on here - it's all about what players we have on the park. We could get £10m for McGinn, spend it on players and make poor decisions or sign some billy big baws types who think they're bigger than the club. We could get £2m, SA and a loanee who performs like Henderson and for all the whining about being stiffed by Celtic we might be in a better position.

And I'm not saying I wouldn't sell down South for £10m in that case btw. Just saying it's *all* about what players we wind up with in the squad.

[Eaststand]

not yet m8 . messaged him this morning asking about it and just got a reply saying it's all agreed and he doesn't know what the hold up is. I suppose we will know when the teams announced for game tomoz if he is right.

Cheers for the update bud.

This move to the soapies sure seems to be dragging on tho

GGTTH

[calumhibee1]

Hardball is an emotive term that distorts what's going on. It's business.

Why would Celtic want to do anything other than realise the best value for one of their assets?
Exactly like we're doing with McGinn.
We should neither expect or do them any favours.

If that value is as a makeweight in a McGinn deal then it'll be that and it might "feel" cheaper if they give us more money for McGinn and "feel" pricier if they give us less money. But they will try to make the most they can of Allan again, exactly like we're doing with McGinn.

Part of the problem with a value on SA is that how he plays for us makes him a more valuable player than he is objectively.

For example, if we went out and spent 2 million in transfer fee on an attacking midfielder I'm not certain we could get someone that does for us what SA has done fairly consistently during his time in a Hibs shirt.

That doesn't mean Scott Allan is a £2m player btw but it does highlight the lunacy of the focus on money on here - it's all about what players we have on the park. We could get £10m for McGinn, spend it on players and make poor decisions or sign some billy big baws types who think they're bigger than the club. We could get £2m, SA and a loanee who performs like Henderson and for all the whining about being stiffed by Celtic we might be in a better position.

And I'm not saying I wouldn't sell down South for £10m in that case btw. Just saying it's *all* about what players we wind up with in the squad.

Agree with this. I’ve said previously that I’d take £2m and Allan and that’s why. Ryan Christie probably has a higher value to other teams than Scott Allan would, but I wouldn’t take £2m plus Christie. I’d take the £2m plus Allan however, as although that deal would maybe be worth £2.25m to other teams due to the fact he’s failed most places he’s been, it’s worth a hell of a lot more to us due to how good Scott Allan has been when he’s been at a Hibs. And at the end of the day, that’s what matters, how much the deal is worth to Hibs.

[Ozyhibby]

Agree with this. I’ve said previously that I’d take £2m and Allan and that’s why. Ryan Christie probably has a higher value to other teams than Scott Allan would, but I wouldn’t take £2m plus Christie. I’d take the £2m plus Allan however, as although that deal would maybe be worth £2.25m to other teams due to the fact he’s failed most places he’s been, it’s worth a hell of a lot more to us due to how good Scott Allan has been when he’s been at a Hibs. And at the end of the day, that’s what matters, how much the deal is worth to Hibs.

Christie is a cracking player as well and create loads of chances as well as scoring a lot from midfield.



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[calumhibee1]

Christie is a cracking player as well and create loads of chances as well as scoring a lot from midfield.



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I think Christie is decent aswell. But I don’t think he’s as good as Allan has been at Hibs therefore I’d be looking for a bit more cash if we were taking him.

[Caversham Green]

maybe the Celticblog will be intérested to know....

...this Hibs shareholder is laughing in my front room.

£4m a week ago could have saved your season lawwell

f*nnies :na na:

Just in case it needs clarification, the sale or non-sale of McGinn will have absolutely no effect on the shareholders' interests. Hibs don't pay dividends and probably never will, and the shares are not on any market so their values are not affected (it's unlikely that they would be in any case). The Celtc blogger even raising the issue reeks of desperation.

Good to know that a wee smile from our chairman can annoy them that much though.

[500miles]

Christie and Mallan together would, on paper, look like a better balance than Mallan and Allan.

Not as beautifully lyrical though.

[Halmyre Hibee]

I would take £2.5 million. As a separate deal buy Allan 500k max and get Christie on a year long loan.

[Ozyhibby]

I would take £2.5 million. As a separate deal buy Allan 500k max and get Christie on a year long loan.

We shouldn’t pay a fee for Allan. We are getting him off their wage bill for them.


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[J-C]

Daily Record with a typically mischievous article on match day today.

Apparently sources close to him have revealed he’s going to dig his heels in to make sure he gets his move to his boyhood heroes. He will
be telling the club Celtic are the only club he’ll move to and any efforts to get bids from down south are a waste of time.

The tone of the article is clearly designed to try and cause animosity towards him from the Hibs support. Deliberately not posted a link.


They aren't his boyhood heroes, he has an affinity to them due to his family connections and nothing more, having spoken to him on tuesday night he seemed open to where ever and not just Celtic. He only wants the best deal for himself, Hibs and St Mirren so he's keeping his options open, he said he fully understands Hibs digging in their heels re his value, so wouldn't rule out a move south.

I jokingly told him not to take the easy option of going to Celtic and he'd be better testing himself against far better players and teams in England, he gave a wry smile, he's a good lad and will try to do what's right.

[Jim44]

The idea that any footballer would be so desperate to play for Celtic that they wouldn't even consider a move to a bigger and better club that competes in a much better league and could pay far bigger wages is completely ludicrous. It's the kind of thing that only a deluded Celtic fan could possibly believe.

..... especially a player who has been quoted as saying he has ambitions to play at the highest level, unless he meant the highest level in Scotland. :rolleyes:

[Greenworld]

They aren't his boyhood heroes, he has an affinity to them due to his family connections and nothing more, having spoken to him on tuesday night he seemed open to where ever and not just Celtic. He only wants the best deal for himself, Hibs and St Mirren so he's keeping his options open, he said he fully understands Hibs digging in their heels re his value, so wouldn't rule out a move south.

I jokingly told him not to take the easy option of going to Celtic and he'd be better testing himself against far better players and teams in England, he gave a wry smile, he's a good lad and will try to do what's right.At last the truth!

A lot of guess work and paper talk is all we have read.

John has said before he wanted to play down south I doubt that has changed however I also don't thing celtic are a million miles away from offering something that might be acceptable to hibs.

Cheers J-C


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[J-C]

At last the truth!

A lot of guess work and paper talk is all we have read.

John has said before he wanted to play down south I doubt that has changed however I also don't thing celtic are a million miles away from offering something that might be acceptable to hibs.

Cheers J-C


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He was fairly tight lipped as you'd expect but he didn't rule out a move either west or south, he just wants it to be a deal that suits all parties, he's very level headed and a thorough pro, he's just concentrating on his football and letting the club and agent get on with things.

[JackHibs]

They aren't his boyhood heroes, he has an affinity to them due to his family connections and nothing more, having spoken to him on tuesday night he seemed open to where ever and not just Celtic. He only wants the best deal for himself, Hibs and St Mirren so he's keeping his options open, he said he fully understands Hibs digging in their heels re his value, so wouldn't rule out a move south.

I jokingly told him not to take the easy option of going to Celtic and he'd be better testing himself against far better players and teams in England, he gave a wry smile, he's a good lad and will try to do what's right.

Interesting insight!! Always wondered where people got the boyhood heroes thing from, he seems like the kind of person who no matter what will always give the club he's at 100%. He will play tonight and show his worth, wherever he goes he'll always be welcome back at ER.

[southern hibby]

They aren't his boyhood heroes, he has an affinity to them due to his family connections and nothing more, having spoken to him on tuesday night he seemed open to where ever and not just Celtic. He only wants the best deal for himself, Hibs and St Mirren so he's keeping his options open, he said he fully understands Hibs digging in their heels re his value, so wouldn't rule out a move south.

I jokingly told him not to take the easy option of going to Celtic and he'd be better testing himself against far better players and teams in England, he gave a wry smile, he's a good lad and will try to do what's right.

JC I believe everything your saying. However speaking to my mate yesterday theyre still saying that a member of his family who is very friendly with my mate is adamant thar SJM wants to go to Celtic and it’s the only place he wants to go.

I will say once again that I don’t know if this is 100% Fact or a wind up or if SJM is just saying this to family members to get them off his back if they’re trying to influence him in joining the team they support.

What I do believe is 100% my mate is adamant it’s true what they’ve been told.

GGTTH

[we are hibs]

Keith Jackson continues to talk ***** where hibs are concerned shock.


He's an odious wee bitter hun welt. Who is his "sources" that are telling him what is going on in mcginn's head?

[calumhibee1]

JC I believe everything your saying. However speaking to my mate yesterday theyre still saying that a member of his family who is very friendly with my mate is adamant thar SJM wants to go to Celtic and it’s the only place he wants to go.

I will say once again that I don’t know if this is 100% Fact or a wind up or if SJM is just saying this to family members to get them off his back if they’re trying to influence him in joining the team they support.

What I do believe is 100% my mate is adamant it’s true what they’ve been told.

GGTTH

I’d imagine he’ll tell people what they want to hear to an extent. If I’m him and some random guy comes up to me at a petrol station I’m not going to tell him i want to leave and I only want to go to Celtic.

He may well be open to going down south but I wouldn’t read too much into a conversation at a petrol station with a guy he (presumably) doesn’t know.

[brog]

Keith Jackson continues to talk ***** where hibs are concerned shock.


He's an odious wee bitter hun welt. Who is his "sources" that are telling him what is going on in mcginn's head?

His sources are probably the Celtc fan sites that say that exact thing but also tell us The Tache is letting Hibs Shareholders down by not selling SJM for a pittance. Anyway, in this whole saga one thing hasn't been pointed out, until this exclusive. How can SJM possibly join Celtc without "jetting in"? That probably reduces his fee by 25% right there!

[Springbank]

He was fairly tight lipped as you'd expect but he didn't rule out a move either west or south, he just wants it to be a deal that suits all parties, he's very level headed and a thorough pro, he's just concentrating on his football and letting the club and agent get on with things.

He is one of the best pros I've seen in a long long time.

My tuppenceworth, John McGinn's next move feels totally different from previous cases (Riordan, O'Connor, Fletcher, Thomson, Brown, and even going back to Goram, Johnny Collins, Mickey Weir, Gordon Durie) and that's for this one reason:

When the others all left, it felt like they went too soon, there was unfinished business (in short, they hadn't won the Scottish Cup)

When folk like them left in the past there was always the doubt of 'ach but if we can't win it with them, we'll maybe never win it'.

So, with John McGinn, as with all the 2016 Time For Heroes squad, it's a totally different vibe.

They gave us the best memories you could hope for:

Two nil down at Tynecastle, to 2-2, and a thumping early goal and comfortable win in the replay.
3-2 wins at 3 different grounds vs The Rangers
Unbeaten at home vs Celtic
9 in a row vs the Jambos
Winning away at Brondby
Within an ace of winning the cup double in 2016..

...and finally winning the Scottish Cup, in the most dramatic manner imaginable, against the most detestible club imaginable, with a bunch of boys who took Hibs and the community in Leith to their hearts, and who [chief among them John McGinn] connected us all back together after a decade to forget.

So, there's no sense of unfinished business, not for me anyway.

A top player, a fantastic human being, and someone who has done more than most in our club's history to deserve both the freedom of Leith and freedom to choose his next destination.

[J-C]

I’d imagine he’ll tell people what they want to hear to an extent. If I’m him and some random guy comes up to me at a petrol station I’m not going to tell him i want to leave and I only want to go to Celtic.

He may well be open to going down south but I wouldn’t read too much into a conversation at a petrol station with a guy he (presumably) doesn’t know.


I've met John around 8-9 times now and know him reasonably well enough for him to come over and say hi to me as I was about to fuel up, he approached me and not the other way around.

I have no doubt he'll be seriously thinking about a move to Celtic but in the same breath he'll also keep his options open to going south. His family connections cannot be ignored and as has been said, they'll be nipping his head about a move to Celtic and no matter what we think of them as a club, they are still an attractive option for any younger Scottish player.

The fact that he's a good lad and top pro is in our favour and Lennon has just came out in his press conference stating that until anyone meets their value, John will stay at Hibs and John himself understands that, someone mentioned elsewhere that he may sign an extension if a deal doesn't happen, well knowing the lad he may just do that.

[James70]

The wedgie meedja are a joke. They do their utmost to unsettle our best players over the years then slag us off saying how good a team we could have had if we hadn't sold our best players.

[calumhibee1]

I've met John around 8-9 times now and know him reasonably well enough for him to come over and say hi to me as I was about to fuel up, he approached me and not the other way around.

I have no doubt he'll be seriously thinking about a move to Celtic but in the same breath he'll also keep his options open to going south. His family connections cannot be ignored and as has been said, they'll be nipping his head about a move to Celtic and no matter what we think of them as a club, they are still an attractive option for any younger Scottish player.

The fact that he's a good lad and top pro is in our favour and Lennon has just came out in his press conference stating that until anyone meets their value, John will stay at Hibs and John himself understands that, someone mentioned elsewhere that he may sign an extension if a deal doesn't happen, well knowing the lad he may just do that.

:aok:

I wasn't discrediting you btw, was more just an observation that he'll probably only be saying what he really wants to do to his close family etc. IF he does only want to go to Celtic I'd think he'd still be making noises to fans about being open to going down south just for an easy life and not getting castigated by disgruntled fans at random petrol stations or supermarkets etc because he's said he wants to go to Celtic. :greengrin

Fingers crossed he is still considering a move down south. If it even becomes an option that is.

[makaveli1875]

They aren't his boyhood heroes, he has an affinity to them due to his family connections and nothing more, having spoken to him on tuesday night he seemed open to where ever and not just Celtic. He only wants the best deal for himself, Hibs and St Mirren so he's keeping his options open, he said he fully understands Hibs digging in their heels re his value, so wouldn't rule out a move south.

I jokingly told him not to take the easy option of going to Celtic and he'd be better testing himself against far better players and teams in England, he gave a wry smile, he's a good lad and will try to do what's right.

So who were his boyhood heroes ? St Mirren

He had a season ticket at Celtic for 15 years by his own admission , think its fair to say he's a big Celtic fan

He might be a life-long Celtic (https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/sport/football/team/14914/celtic/) supporter, but that only seemed to make him more determined to play as well as he could.

McGinn said: “Coming here to play was a bit surreal at first. I had a season ticket for 15 years.

“It’s different when you’re playing against them because that goes to the back of your head as a player.

[calumhibee1]

So who were his boyhood heroes ? St Mirren

He had a season ticket at Celtic for 15 years by his own admission , think its fair to say he's a big Celtic fan

He might be a life-long Celtic (https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/sport/football/team/14914/celtic/) supporter, but that only seemed to make him more determined to play as well as he could.

McGinn said: “Coming here to play was a bit surreal at first. I had a season ticket for 15 years.

“It’s different when you’re playing against them because that goes to the back of your head as a player.

I think that probably confirms his Celtic affiliation to be fair. Obviously was a big fan and if that’s the case I can’t blame him if it’s the only place he wants to go.

[Austinho]

Being a Celtic fan and being close to his family (and his girlfriend’s if he has one) is obviously going to be a big draw. Money talks though, so hopefully someone else has more of it!

[J-C]

So who were his boyhood heroes ? St Mirren

He had a season ticket at Celtic for 15 years by his own admission , think its fair to say he's a big Celtic fan

He might be a life-long Celtic (https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/sport/football/team/14914/celtic/) supporter, but that only seemed to make him more determined to play as well as he could.

McGinn said: “Coming here to play was a bit surreal at first. I had a season ticket for 15 years.

“It’s different when you’re playing against them because that goes to the back of your head as a player.


I've no doubt he's a Celtic fan and moving there would be a dream of his but he seemed level headed enough not to rule out a move south if the right club came in for him. Griffiths is a regular visitor at Hibs and a well known Fan but he's also a pro and his future is what's taken into account when signing, I can't remember him pushing for a move to us from Wolves at the time. When you become a pro footballer, your boyhood team goes out the window a bit and your career takes over, John signed for St Mirren and then us, we all knew his Celtic connections but this is an important move for him and for us money wise, if he only wants to go to Celtic well it's up to them to pay his true value and I'm delighted Hibs are playing hard ball over this.

[J-C]

:aok:

I wasn't discrediting you btw, was more just an observation that he'll probably only be saying what he really wants to do to his close family etc. IF he does only want to go to Celtic I'd think he'd still be making noises to fans about being open to going down south just for an easy life and not getting castigated by disgruntled fans at random petrol stations or supermarkets etc because he's said he wants to go to Celtic. :greengrin

Fingers crossed he is still considering a move down south. If it even becomes an option that is.

Who was disgruntled? I and many others wish John nothing but the best where ever he ends up, he's a hero after 2016 and his attitude on the park make him one of our favourite players. we all know we need to sell him this year to get the money for him, even he understands this, speaking to him was very amicable but as expected he was very tight lipped. He still has a flat at Meadowbank next to Sainsburys, hence why he uses Willowbrae petrol station, so not unusual to see him there.

[calumhibee1]

Who was disgruntled? I and many others wish John nothing but the best where ever he ends up, he's a hero after 2016 and his attitude on the park make him one of our favourite players. we all know we need to sell him this year to get the money for him, even he understands this, speaking to him was very amicable but as expected he was very tight lipped. He still has a flat at Meadowbank next to Sainsburys, hence why he uses Willowbrae petrol station, so not unusual to see him there.

I didn’t mean you, I meant generally. If he starts telling fans he’s only wanting to go Celtic I’m sure there would be some idiot somewhere who would love to have a wee go about it.

Which is why even if that is the case I’d think he’ll still just tell folk he’s keeping his options open etc, even if his mind is made up.

[Betty Boop]

They aren't his boyhood heroes, he has an affinity to them due to his family connections and nothing more, having spoken to him on tuesday night he seemed open to where ever and not just Celtic. He only wants the best deal for himself, Hibs and St Mirren so he's keeping his options open, he said he fully understands Hibs digging in their heels re his value, so wouldn't rule out a move south.

I jokingly told him not to take the easy option of going to Celtic and he'd be better testing himself against far better players and teams in England, he gave a wry smile, he's a good lad and will try to do what's right.

His Grandad was chairman of Celtic and his family are all Celtic supporters. Why do you think different ?

[J-C]

His Grandad was chairman of Celtic and his family are all Celtic supporters. Why do you think different ?

Maybe saying not his boyhood heroes a tad too much, yes they were his boyhood team and we all know his connections to the club but his connections aren't going to finally decide where he plays next,it might have a bearing but he's a level headed lad and understands how things work in football.

Taken from Lennon's recent press statement on the BBC site.

“Listen, the deal might never happen,” said Lennon, who has dropped his interest in trialist Ivan Lendric, the former Croatia Under-21 forward. “He has to get his head around that as well, so we try to prepare him for all eventualities the best we can.
“John is quite satisfied at the minute, I’ve had chats with him to see how he is because there will be people talking to him: the agent, family giving him all titbits of advice. I have been in that situation so
I know how difficult it can be getting messages from here, there and everywhere.
“Ideally, it is good for him to come in train and play. He is training well, he’ll play and until that situations changes he is a Hibs player. It’s a really difficult situation for him, at the end of the day John is a human being; he has feelings and emotions and it almost feels as if he is a bit exposed. We are trying to manage him the best we can.”

The bit in bold is very interesting.

[BegbieHSC]

The paranoia from Celtic fans on social media is ridiculous - apparently they’re the victims in all of this.

Summary of their hilarity below:

Firstly, our board are ‘greedy’ *******s.
Second - Lennon is a sell out
Third - Commons is a sell-out.
Fourth - Lennon is bitter
Fifth - Hibs are trying to ruin the lads career.
Sixth - £2m is such a good deal - can we get any more generous?
Seventh - Hibs won’t sell to us cause their old chairman tried to take the tricolour of Celtic Park. (Is that genuinely true btw? Sceptical.)

Anyway, the main thrust of it is WE are the dicks!

[West lower]

Maybe saying not his boyhood heroes a tad too much, yes they were his boyhood team and we all know his connections to the club but his connections aren't going to finally decide where he plays next,it might have a bearing but he's a level headed lad and understands how things work in football.

Taken from Lennon's recent press statement on the BBC site.

“Listen, the deal might never happen,” said Lennon, who has dropped his interest in trialist Ivan Lendric, the former Croatia Under-21 forward. “He has to get his head around that as well, so we try to prepare him for all eventualities the best we can.
“John is quite satisfied at the minute, I’ve had chats with him to see how he is because there will be people talking to him: the agent, family giving him all titbits of advice. I have been in that situation so
I know how difficult it can be getting messages from here, there and everywhere.
“Ideally, it is good for him to come in train and play. He is training well, he’ll play and until that situations changes he is a Hibs player. It’s a really difficult situation for him, at the end of the day John is a human being; he has feelings and emotions and it almost feels as if he is a bit exposed. We are trying to manage him the best we can.”

The bit in bold is very interesting.

I think the “quite satisfied at the minute” ( meaning still happy to play for us) is the crucial part of what Lennon said. I think he is probably hoping/ expecting the move to happen in this window. Just how satisfied he will be if it all falls through who knows. Only me guessing though.

[snooky]

Interesting insight!! Always wondered where people got the boyhood heroes thing from, he seems like the kind of person who no matter what will always give the club he's at 100%. He will play tonight and show his worth, wherever he goes he'll always be welcome back at ER.

Celtic was Joe Baker's boyhood team.
Celtic was Pat Nevin's boyhood team.
I'm sure there are more players/fans who have switched to because they 'get Hibs'.
Jacky Mac?

[mjhibby]

JC I believe everything your saying. However speaking to my mate yesterday theyre still saying that a member of his family who is very friendly with my mate is adamant thar SJM wants to go to Celtic and it’s the only place he wants to go.

I will say once again that I don’t know if this is 100% Fact or a wind up or if SJM is just saying this to family members to get them off his back if they’re trying to influence him in joining the team they support.

What I do believe is 100% my mate is adamant it’s true what they’ve been told.

GGTTH
So if let's say Newcastle came for him and offered double the salary of celtic he'd turn it down. Very rarely does a player play for his boyhood heroes. It just the way it is. Footballers have a very short career so need to think about where they play. Dylan went to Sunderland for money as do most players. I doubt very much that mcginn has said anything remotely resembling he'd only go to celtic. Hibs must be confident they will get more than celtic were offering. Well only find out if an epl club came near hibs valuation and he turned it down There have been pages and pages of pure speculation. The only fact is that sjm will only be sold when any club gets near our valuation. Any other things are utterly irrelevant. Apart from getting Scott as part of the deal.

[GloryGlory]

The paranoia from Celtic fans on social media is ridiculous - apparently they’re the victims in all of this.

Summary of their hilarity below:

Firstly, our board are ‘greedy’ *******s.
Second - Lennon is a sell out
Third - Commons is a sell-out.
Fourth - Lennon is bitter
Fifth - Hibs are trying to ruin the lads career.
Sixth - £2m is such a good deal - can we get any more generous?
Seventh - Hibs won’t sell to us cause their old chairman tried to take the tricolour of Celtic Park. (Is that genuinely true btw? Sceptical.)

Anyway, the main thrust of it is WE are the dicks!

You missed: Eighth - It's all the other clubs' fault that our co-efficient is so low and we have to qualify for the group stages of the CL.
Ninth: We are not and never have been paranoid about anything, so there!

[Thecat23]

If I was Hibs I’d tell Celtic to **** right off now. Lawwell is one of the most arrogant stuck up ****ers on this planet. I’d tell McGinn as well just like we did Allan he won’t be sold to them.

They are a bunch of tight *******s who are ruining our game with offers that if it were their team they’d be going mad.

[bod]

I’ve never read that there’s a new contract on the table for SJM are the media or hibs hushing this up or isn’t there one ?

[Onion]

Must say, Hibs are playing McGinn situation very coolly, not typical of a selling club with £2m on the table and 1 yr left on contract. Much more like a club that is pretty certain there will be some serious bids from elsewhere, which will interest SJM.

How funny would it be if Hibs got their asking price, SJM got his big money move, and Celtic ending up losing him for the sake of a few quid ? Or Stevie G came in with a £3m offer :greengrin

[Spike Mandela]

Must say, Hibs are playing McGinn situation very coolly, not typical of a selling club with £2m on the table and 1 yr left on contract. Much more like a club that is pretty certain there will be some serious bids from elsewhere, which will interest SJM.

How funny would it be if Hibs got their asking price, SJM got his big money move, and Celtic ending up losing him for the sake of a few quid ? Or Stevie G came in with a £3m offer :greengrin

:faf::faf::faf::faf: Good one:aok:

[SquashedFrogg]

I’ve never read that there’s a new contract on the table for SJM are the media or hibs hushing this up or isn’t there one ?

You would have to assume that an improved offer has been made at some point.

[ano hibby]

He is one of the best pros I've seen in a long long time.

My tuppenceworth, John McGinn's next move feels totally different from previous cases (Riordan, O'Connor, Fletcher, Thomson, Brown, and even going back to Goram, Johnny Collins, Mickey Weir, Gordon Durie) and that's for this one reason:

When the others all left, it felt like they went too soon, there was unfinished business (in short, they hadn't won the Scottish Cup)

When folk like them left in the past there was always the doubt of 'ach but if we can't win it with them, we'll maybe never win it'.

So, with John McGinn, as with all the 2016 Time For Heroes squad, it's a totally different vibe.

They gave us the best memories you could hope for:

Two nil down at Tynecastle, to 2-2, and a thumping early goal and comfortable win in the replay.
3-2 wins at 3 different grounds vs The Rangers
Unbeaten at home vs Celtic
9 in a row vs the Jambos
Winning away at Brondby
Within an ace of winning the cup double in 2016..

...and finally winning the Scottish Cup, in the most dramatic manner imaginable, against the most detestible club imaginable, with a bunch of boys who took Hibs and the community in Leith to their hearts, and who [chief among them John McGinn] connected us all back together after a decade to forget.

So, there's no sense of unfinished business, not for me anyway.

A top player, a fantastic human being, and someone who has done more than most in our club's history to deserve both the freedom of Leith and freedom to choose his next destination.

Very good post & one I agree with.

A useful reminder too that our club, Leanne, Neil and of course John have behaved with business like efficiency, dignity and respect throughout this saga.
People citing boyhood heroes’ or ‘he’s let it be known it’s only Celtic’ etc...this type stuff comes from Weegie press, Celtic bloggers etc.

Assuming John continues to be the consummate professional he’ll have my full backing & support starting tonight.

[IWasThere2016]

They aren't his boyhood heroes, he has an affinity to them due to his family connections and nothing more, having spoken to him on tuesday night he seemed open to where ever and not just Celtic. He only wants the best deal for himself, Hibs and St Mirren so he's keeping his options open, he said he fully understands Hibs digging in their heels re his value, so wouldn't rule out a move south.

I jokingly told him not to take the easy option of going to Celtic and he'd be better testing himself against far better players and teams in England, he gave a wry smile, he's a good lad and will try to do what's right.

He attends their games with a scarf on.

Celtc are his team.

[cabbageandribs1875]

I’d imagine he’ll tell people what they want to hear to an extent. If I’m him and some random guy comes up to me at a petrol station I’m not going to tell him i want to leave and I only want to go to Celtic.

He may well be open to going down south but I wouldn’t read too much into a conversation at a petrol station with a guy he (presumably) doesn’t know.



exactly :agree:

[mjhibby]

Could it be we have a replacement in mind for sjm and need a certain fee to get him over the line. Plus we will be hoping to get another midfielder. So to sell sjm for less than we need to get two players in doesn't make sense. Plus the only club with the worst biscuit tin mentality are trying to get our player. Their tactics of drip feeding the media is not working and surely they must have realised it would end in stalemate. I'm sure the Scott situation is making it more complicated than it would otherwise be but I suspect sjm is worth more on the park than taking the money. I'm sure it's a lot to do with celtic ego being hurt but if they miss out on sjm I couldn't care less. It's hibs interests I care about and the players.

[YanYansen]

He is one of the best pros I've seen in a long long time.

My tuppenceworth, John McGinn's next move feels totally different from previous cases (Riordan, O'Connor, Fletcher, Thomson, Brown, and even going back to Goram, Johnny Collins, Mickey Weir, Gordon Durie) and that's for this one reason:

When the others all left, it felt like they went too soon, there was unfinished business (in short, they hadn't won the Scottish Cup)

When folk like them left in the past there was always the doubt of 'ach but if we can't win it with them, we'll maybe never win it'.

So, with John McGinn, as with all the 2016 Time For Heroes squad, it's a totally different vibe.

They gave us the best memories you could hope for:

Two nil down at Tynecastle, to 2-2, and a thumping early goal and comfortable win in the replay.
3-2 wins at 3 different grounds vs The Rangers
Unbeaten at home vs Celtic
9 in a row vs the Jambos
Winning away at Brondby
Within an ace of winning the cup double in 2016..

...and finally winning the Scottish Cup, in the most dramatic manner imaginable, against the most detestible club imaginable, with a bunch of boys who took Hibs and the community in Leith to their hearts, and who [chief among them John McGinn] connected us all back together after a decade to forget.

So, there's no sense of unfinished business, not for me anyway.

A top player, a fantastic human being, and someone who has done more than most in our club's history to deserve both the freedom of Leith and freedom to choose his next destination.

Great post, agree on all counts. He will go with my sincere best wishes, wherever he goes. (Although seeing him turn out for the Mhanks will sting, I'm not gonna lie.)


If I was Hibs I’d tell Celtic to **** right off now. Lawwell is one of the most arrogant stuck up ****ers on this planet. I’d tell McGinn as well just like we did Allan he won’t be sold to them.

They are a bunch of tight *******s who are ruining our game with offers that if it were their team they’d be going mad.

Agreed. They seem to see it as giving alms to lepers.

**** thum.

[southern hibby]

So if let's say Newcastle came for him and offered double the salary of celtic he'd turn it down. Very rarely does a player play for his boyhood heroes. It just the way it is. Footballers have a very short career so need to think about where they play. Dylan went to Sunderland for money as do most players. I doubt very much that mcginn has said anything remotely resembling he'd only go to celtic. Hibs must be confident they will get more than celtic were offering. Well only find out if an epl club came near hibs valuation and he turned it down There have been pages and pages of pure speculation. The only fact is that sjm will only be sold when any club gets near our valuation. Any other things are utterly irrelevant. Apart from getting Scott as part of the deal.

MJ you take what I say as speculation if you want but there’s a couple of people I told this too 8 months ago and not at the start of this window. I’ve said several times it could be a wind up or just to get his family of his back BUT I know for a fact it has been said to my mate from a member of his family. My mate is constantly talking the the member of his family and they say this is what John wants.

I personally hope he goes somewhere else for a great profit for Hibs but I think from what I’ve been told he will end up at Parkhead.

GGTTH

[Lago]

Could it be we have a replacement in mind for sjm and need a certain fee to get him over the line. Plus we will be hoping to get another midfielder. So to sell sjm for less than we need to get two players in doesn't make sense. Plus the only club with the worst biscuit tin mentality are trying to get our player. Their tactics of drip feeding the media is not working and surely they must have realised it would end in stalemate. I'm sure the Scott situation is making it more complicated than it would otherwise be but I suspect sjm is worth more on the park than taking the money. I'm sure it's a lot to do with celtic ego being hurt but if they miss out on sjm I couldn't care less. It's hibs interests I care about and the players.
I said it previously, and having read Neil Lennon's comment, that he should be prepared not to be going to Celtic I feel he will sit tight & sign a pre contract in Jan. He may then just run his contract down or go in a cut price deal in Jan. Just my feeling.

[Michael]

I said it previously, and having read Neil Lennon's comment, that he should be prepared not to be going to Celtic I feel he will sit tight & sign a pre contract in Jan. He may then just run his contract down or go in a cut price deal in Jan. Just my feeling.

Cut price deal in Jan is the worst possible outcome. We'd have no McGinn, no money and we'd look like mugs.

[ancient hibee]

He attends their games with a scarf on.

Celtc are his team.
Have you seen him do that?

[Eyrie]

If I was Hibs I’d tell Celtic to **** right off now. Lawwell is one of the most arrogant stuck up ****ers on this planet. I’d tell McGinn as well just like we did Allan he won’t be sold to them.

They are a bunch of tight *******s who are ruining our game with offers that if it were their team they’d be going mad.

I'm very tempted to say Dempster out, TC23 in, but she's doing a fine job so I won't.

[O'Rourke3]

Cut price deal in Jan is the worst possible outcome. We'd have no McGinn, no money and we'd look like mugs.And John McGinn for another season.

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[Bostonhibby]

You missed: Eighth - It's all the other clubs' fault that our co-efficient is so low and we have to qualify for the group stages of the CL.
Ninth: We are not and never have been paranoid about anything, so there!10th

They're celtc, and I'm not going to take any plastics who can't spell their own teams name seriously. Especially when they've gone to the trouble of making an erse of it on a big banner.

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[EVENTUALLY]

He'll be scouted tonight by English sides. A MotM performance could really change this situation with Celtic. It has been made clear that Hibs have a valuation and its above the latest reported 2M offered by Celtic. Positive interest from any English sides could quickly change this saga, however if Hibs sell SJM to a Championship or Premiership Club I do not hold much hope of Scott Allan being back at Easter Road this season. John McGinn will go, no doubt about it and I would rather he went to Celtic as part of a deal to secure Scott Allan. I couldn't care less about the fee, I just want to watch good players like SJM and Scott Allan and while there is little chance of watching both of them in the green of Hibs at the same time ever again I would prefer Scott Allan for 3/4 years than SJM for 12 months.

[Michael]

And John McGinn for another season.

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Only half the season. I'm talking about a cut price deal in January, not a pre-contract agreement.

[MrSmith]

He'll be scouted tonight by English sides. A MotM performance could really change this situation with Celtic. It has been made clear that Hibs have a valuation and its above the latest reported 2M offered by Celtic. Positive interest from any English sides could quickly change this saga, however if Hibs sell SJM to a Championship or Premiership Club I do not hold much hope of Scott Allan being back at Easter Road this season. John McGinn will go, no doubt about it and I would rather he went to Celtic as part of a deal to secure Scott Allan. I couldn't care less about the fee, I just want to watch good players like SJM and Scott Allan and while there is little chance of watching both of them in the green of Hibs at the same time ever again I would prefer Scott Allan for 3/4 years than SJM for 12 months.

Cannot sell your top asset below market value to a rival just because they have a player we may want. John’s value is in the inflated region of £20m if you go by EPL or lesser Championship pricing.

[Stevie Reid]

The numbers being chucked about this thread are amazing.

[londonhibby]

He'll be scouted tonight by English sides. A MotM performance could really change this situation with Celtic. It has been made clear that Hibs have a valuation and its above the latest reported 2M offered by Celtic. Positive interest from any English sides could quickly change this saga, however if Hibs sell SJM to a Championship or Premiership Club I do not hold much hope of Scott Allan being back at Easter Road this season. John McGinn will go, no doubt about it and I would rather he went to Celtic as part of a deal to secure Scott Allan. I couldn't care less about the fee, I just want to watch good players like SJM and Scott Allan and while there is little chance of watching both of them in the green of Hibs at the same time ever again I would prefer Scott Allan for 3/4 years than SJM for 12 months.

Of course, a deal down south could include a Scott Allan-class midfielder coming up on loan as part of any negotiation. Let's face it, their squads are overstocked with good midfielders in much need of game time, and could also see us getting a better fee than we would from Celtic. :cb

[DH1875]

Any number of English clubs could come in for him after tonight's game. Doesn't matter if they offer four, five or £10million for him, if he doesn't want to sign for them then he doesn't want to sign for them and there's nothing we can do about it.

[ancient hibee]

Has he ever said he didn’t want to sign for anyone?

[EVENTUALLY]

Of course, a deal down south could include a Scott Allan-class midfielder coming up on loan as part of any negotiation. Let's face it, their squads are overstocked with good midfielders in much need of game time, and could also see us getting a better fee than we would from Celtic. :cb

I'm not sure we could attract another Scott Allan type player from down south. There is one along the M8 who has indicated he would be pleased to turn out once again for the Hibs. Do a deal for the players and fans, the money is of no interest to me. I've never seen a pound note play a killer pass or score a goal.

[Since90+2]

Cannot sell your top asset below market value to a rival just because they have a player we may want. John’s value is in the inflated region of £20m if you go by EPL or lesser Championship pricing.

£20m? You've taken that too far.

[Shrekko]

£20m? You've taken that too far.

You do realise that Scottish guy Cairney at Fulham is rated at about £25 million now?

[The Leith Dutch]

£20m? You've taken that too far.

I sort of agree and then I see Harry McGuire being touted at £65m and I ask myself - "is McGinn 30% of the player McGuire is?" and think "at least"

[SRHibs]

I sort of agree and then I see Harry McGuire being touted at £65m and I ask myself - "is McGinn 30% of the player McGuire is?" and think "at least"

I’ll take 13,000 Ivan Sproules over 1 Harry Maguire.

[londonhibby]

I'm not sure we could attract another Scott Allan type player from down south. There is one along the M8 who has indicated he would be pleased to turn out once again for the Hibs. Do a deal for the players and fans, the money is of no interest to me. I've never seen a pound note play a killer pass or score a goal.

A deal that brings in more money and a good midfielder, or at worst allows us to buy a good midfielder, is a deal for the players or fans. Money makes the world go round and lack of it, especially in our league, makes the football world very dark.

[Moulin Yarns]

Cut price deal in Jan is the worst possible outcome. We'd have no McGinn, no money and we'd look like mugs.

We might persuade him to sign a 1 year extension with a release clause if someone offers a set amount.

[Hibbyradge]

I think a player's salary has a significant bearing on their transfer value.

Don't ask me how that works, though.

[Big_Franck]

You do realise that Scottish guy Cairney at Fulham is rated at about £25 million now?

I'm sure Fulham rejected a £20m bid for him and he is behind McGinn in the pecking order in central midfield for Scotland.

James Maddison, the boy that was on loan at Aberdeen a year ago and was in and out of the team, has just went from Norwich to Leicester for £24m.

If McGinn went to an English Championship side, continued starting for Scotland and even had a good 6 months down there these are the kind of prices his club would ask for. It's mental down there.

[DH1875]

I'm sure Fulham rejected a £20m bid for him and he is behind McGinn in the pecking order in central midfield for Scotland.

James Maddison, the boy that was on loan at Aberdeen a year ago and was in and out of the team, has just went from Norwich to Leicester for £24m.

If McGinn went to an English Championship side, continued starting for Scotland and even had a good 6 months down there these are the kind of prices his club would ask for. It's mental down there.

Which is why any transfer deal MUST include a sell on clause.

[The Leith Dutch]

I’ll take 13,000 Ivan Sproules over 1 Harry Maguire.

~sings~ Number 13,000 is Ivan Sproule......number 12,999 is Ivan Sproule.......we all dream of a team of Ivan Sproules

[Ozyhibby]

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[Treadstone]

https://thecelticblog.com/2018/07/blogs/people-at-hibs-are-worried-that-their-standoff-with-celtic-with-cost-more-than-money/amp/?__twitter_impression=true


Horsesh*t of the highest order.

[Tug Wilson]

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Absolute nonsense of a blog.

[O'Rourke3]

Only half the season. I'm talking about a cut price deal in January, not a pre-contract agreement.So taking even worse? Does that seem likely given how we are currently negotiating? Whole season in my opinion.

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[Broken Gnome]

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Don't care if there's a one per cent chance of that being accurate, or whether Petrie really does have his hands all over this - no one should give that the time of day or the merest satisfaction that it might be right.

Self righteous nonsense that they spout.

[MWHIBBIES]

Other transfer prices in other countries have absolutely no effect on McGinns price.

[SirDavidsNapper]

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What a load of *****. Celtic need to remember that without Hibs they'd be huns. **** Celtic and anyone who sails in her

[Sioux]

What a load of *****. Celtic need to remember that without Hibs they'd be huns. **** Celtic and anyone who sails in her

I like that.

The song:

If it wisnae for the Hibees you'd be Huns
If it wisnae for the Hibees you'd be Huns
If it wisnae for the Hibees
wisnae for the Hibees
wisnae for the Hibees
you'd be Huns

:greengrin

[flash]

If I shook hands with either Petrie or Lawwell i would count my fingers afterwards.

[Hibee87]

The first question I would ask IS it petri who is doing the rejecting here? As far as I'm aware Dempster would be dealing with this and approving/rejecting the offers.

Second one is they can go **** themselves.Hibs have given a price. Pay it or do one, it's really not that difficult.
If SJM was so desperate to go why has he not handed in a transfer request? They are so far up their own arse they can't comprehend a team not bending over for them.

[Moulin Yarns]

The first question I would ask IS it petri who is doing the rejecting here? As far as I'm aware Dempster would be dealing with this and approving/rejecting the offers.

Second one is they can go **** themselves.Hibs have given a price. Pay it or do one, it's really not that difficult.
If SJM was so desperate to go why has he not handed in a transfer request? They are so far up their own arse they can't comprehend a team not bending over for them.

They are too used to doing their haggling at the Barras.

[lord bunberry]

The first question I would ask IS it petri who is doing the rejecting here? As far as I'm aware Dempster would be dealing with this and approving/rejecting the offers.

Second one is they can go **** themselves.Hibs have given a price. Pay it or do one, it's really not that difficult.
If SJM was so desperate to go why has he not handed in a transfer request? They are so far up their own arse they can't comprehend a team not bending over for them.
:agree: I’ve been arguing with Celtic fans on Twitter all week about this. They can’t comprehend that we’re not just caving in to them.

[Hibee87]

:agree: I’ve been arguing with Celtic fans on Twitter all week about this. They can’t comprehend that we’re not just caving in to them.

Detestable, the lot of them with there 'special relationship' and sense of importance pish.

You heading along the night mate? No seen ye's for a while 👍

[GreenOnions]

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I don't know but I very much doubt Rod is doing the negotiating here. I assume he has input but Leanne Dempster's standing at Hibs and within Scottish football is such that she would almost certainly be in charge IMHO.

If that is true then the entire foundation of this blog is simply an incorrect guess and the resulting inferences invalid. A load of uninformed guff in other words.

[SirDavidsNapper]

:agree: I’ve been arguing with Celtic fans on Twitter all week about this. They can’t comprehend that we’re not just caving in to them.

They're not very bright to be fair. They're every bit as loathsome as their bigoted brothers. Wish i could go back to 1888 and tell someone at Hibs what the cretins were up to.

[Callum_62]

Is there argument really the loaned us Efe (ridiculed by his own fans and no where near the first team), Stokes (totally out of favour), Henderson (youngster)?

We also paid for them.


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[Bostonhibby]

I like that.

The song:

If it wisnae for the Hibees you'd be Huns
If it wisnae for the Hibees you'd be Huns
If it wisnae for the Hibees
wisnae for the Hibees
wisnae for the Hibees
you'd be Huns

:greengrin[emoji16]used to sing that to them decades ago.

Lest they forget

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[lord bunberry]

Detestable, the lot of them with there 'special relationship' and sense of importance pish.

You heading along the night mate? No seen ye's for a while 👍
Aye I’m heading along with the wee one. We’ve moved over to the west this year. Are you going?

[Hibee87]

Aye I’m heading along with the wee one. We’ve moved over to the west this year. Are you going?

Aye heading along. I think kel and your sister have rhe season book where they were. I've no sorted one for me and jamie yet (better get my finger out) but might end up in the west anaw, hopefully make it to the pub a bit more and catch you for a few beers before the games this season

[silverhibee]

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F***ing roasters.

[Pescarese]

Is there argument really the loaned us Efe (ridiculed by his own fans and no where near the first team), Stokes (totally out of favour), Henderson (youngster)?

We also paid for them.


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Quite! The blogger’s suggestion that Celtc loan players out for free says a lot about his intelligence.

[lord bunberry]

Aye heading along. I think kel and your sister have rhe season book where they were. I've no sorted one for me and jamie yet (better get my finger out) but might end up in the west anaw, hopefully make it to the pub a bit more and catch you for a few beers before the games this season
Good stuff mate.

[jacomo]

I would assume and hope our Rod is involved in negotiations.

He’s quite good at it.

[Jim Herriot]

I’ll take 13,000 Ivan Sproules over 1 Harry Maguire.

We all dream of a crowd of Ivan Sproules...

[C Feeney-Seale]

F***ing roasters.

He thinks he is a mind reader of various people...


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[IWasThere2016]

Have you seen him do that?

I wouldn't go to Darkheid. I've seen phone pics. He attends CL games.

[Springbank]

that Celtic blog shows some promising imagination but his style of writing fiction is unlikely to be knocking irvine welsh off the shelves in waterstones. 3/10.

[Lago]

Good stuff mate.
You've both turned it into a dating site. :greengrin

[Velma Dinkley]

To be a Celtic fan you need to embrace a certain amount of delusion. They feel the need to pretend that they are much bigger and more important than they ever will be. They try to act like everyone all over the world has not only heard of them, but is in awe of them. Dealing with a club that's not desperate for a few quid shatters the illusion and they're going into meltdown. The price has been set. Meet it or beat it.

[Wakeyhibee]

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If RP had control/input of these matters, Celtic would have had McGinn after the second bid. In fact he might have already gone to Forrest last January. Utter garbage!!

[Jim44]

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:yawn::yawn::yawn::yawn::zzzzz!::zzzzz!::zzzzz!:

This season, Allan might well be available again, and so too might the likes of Mikey Johnston, Jack Aitchison, Anthony Ralston and others. There is virtually no chance that any of those players will be permitted to go on loan to Hibs.


:faf::faf::faf:

[CraigHibee]

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That boy is an absolute slaver "all about the lesser greens" is his view, **** celtic

[bingo70]

Hibby radge. Sorry to pick you up on this but imo tonight answers the question you’ve asked many times regarding the value of him on the park vs the value of him off the park.

Imo SJM was absolutely critical to us getting the win tonight, if he didn’t start the second half the way he did we were out tonight, it’s that simple.

I don’t know how much it’s worth for us to go through this tie but I’m going to guess around £500k. Going by your logic earlier in the thread, if nobody offered more than £1m then that was all he was worth.

With Avery winnable game in the next round should we get through I hope you can now see that his only value isn’t what someone else is willing to pay. On the park he is a huge asset tooZ

[Heisenberg]

Tam McManus tweeted this...”Hearing John McGinn was magnificent tonight for Hibs. Plenty of scouts at the game tonight one I just spoke to (from English Championship) came away from the match raving about him.”

Great work from Tam, drive that price up :greengrin

[Tyler Durden]

Just hope he’s still here next Thursday 🙏🏻

[givescotlandfreedom]

Very good performance from SJM and shows why we were right to tell Celtc to bolt.

[Scotty Leither]

Tam McManus tweeted this...”Hearing John McGinn was magnificent tonight for Hibs. Plenty of scouts at the game tonight one I just spoke to (from English Championship) came away from the match raving about him.”

Great work from Tam, drive that price up :greengrin

Good...Maybe force Celtc to prise open the biscuit tin.

[CallumLaidlaw]

Just hope he’s still here next Thursday [emoji1317]

No way we’ll let him go before then. Play him, let him get booked and get us through and then sell him as he’ll be suspended for first round [emoji23]


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[hfc rd]

Tam McManus tweeted this...”Hearing John McGinn was magnificent tonight for Hibs. Plenty of scouts at the game tonight one I just spoke to (from English Championship) came away from the match raving about him.”

Great work from Tam, drive that price up :greengrin



Good! However I will not sell him until after the 2nd leg if an English club do meet our valuation.

[BILLYHIBS]

Our valuation has just gone up as we cannae replace that! England were you watching ? SALE over!
No smellies please!

[Greenworld]

Give him 500k signing on fee 10k a week and a 4 million release clause let's keep him

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[The Leith Dutch]

Give him 500k signing on fee 10k a week and a 4 million release clause let's keep him

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We can't do that and maintain a happy team surely?

Assuming the posters on here are broadly correct and our current top earners are somewhere in the 3-4k bracket I'm pretty sure they'd respond badly to knowing that Mcginn is on the same as the next 3 or so top earners combined and they'd be up at LD's door asking for a few grand more.

Course maybe that's what we need but that kind of money has long term financial implications that could see us in trouble if the attendances drop or we start depending on a European run to keep the lights on like certain ****bag clubs Glasgow way......

[SouthsideHarp_Bhoy]

Tam McManus tweeted this...”Hearing John McGinn was magnificent tonight for Hibs. Plenty of scouts at the game tonight one I just spoke to (from English Championship) came away from the match raving about him.”

Great work from Tam, drive that price up :greengrin

I dont know how any championship side watching him last night (and throughout the season) wouldnt think he was a n absolute bargain at £3m quid.

[Heisenberg]

Quite happy if they don’t come back in again. Be delighted to keep him for another year.

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-transfer-news/celtic-wont-increase-john-mcginn-12997231

[SouthMoroccoStu]

Quite happy if they don’t come back in again. Be delighted to keep him for another year.

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-transfer-news/celtic-wont-increase-john-mcginn-12997231

OH HOW DARE HIBS NOT JUST ACCEPT A LOW BID FOR AN IMPORTANT TALENTED PLAYER FROM THE MIGHTY CELTIC

Have they no shame

[J-C]

Maybe a wee bid from down south, a few scouts watching him on thursday

[GreenOnions]

Quite happy if they don’t come back in again. Be delighted to keep him for another year.

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-transfer-news/celtic-wont-increase-john-mcginn-12997231
I think this is why we don't see as many statements from Celtic as we do from their corporate alter-ego from Govan. Celtic just release theirs in the Daily Record.

[Booked4Being-Ugly]

Why do Celtic go greetin about it to the media.

If you can't afford or are unwilling to meet the asking price then simply STFU and go away.

[GIBBY NEWTON]

Personally would be delighted to keep John McGinn at Easter Road he has shown many times & again on Thursday the desire never to give up & push Hibs to the last kick of the ball !!!! Offer made by tic insulting to us & John bye bye !!!!!

[Sammy7nil]

Quite happy if they don’t come back in again. Be delighted to keep him for another year.

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-transfer-news/celtic-wont-increase-john-mcginn-12997231

It would be interesting to know what the attractive Add ons are :cb

[theonlywayisup]

Quite happy if they don’t come back in again. Be delighted to keep him for another year.

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-transfer-news/celtic-wont-increase-john-mcginn-12997231

Sorry, refuse to click onto that particular paper's website.

What does it say?

[Greenworld]

Good to hear rumblings within the celtic camp about PL and BR not seeing eye to eye according to Davie Provan.




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[Callum_62]

Id be very surprised if no English clubs make a move for McGinn

He represents a very low risk option

Hes also still turning it on for us- no qualms in holding off


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[Heisenberg]

Sorry, refuse to click onto that particular paper's website.

What does it say?

That Celtc won’t be making another bid unless competition comes in from England.

[YehButNoBut]

Sorry, refuse to click onto that particular paper's website.

What does it say?

Celtic WON'T increase John McGinn bid as Hoops chiefs stand firm on latest offer


McGinn caught in the middle of transfer stand-off with Celtic offering Hibs £2m plus add-ons for the player who is in the final year of his contract.

Celtic won’t table an increased bid for Hibs (https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/all-about/hibernian-fc) star John McGinn (https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/all-about/john-mcginn). MailSport understands they have decided to stand firm with their latest £2million offer for the midfielder. And their position will only change now if they face competition for his signature from down south before English clubs hit their new transfer deadline day on August 9.However, with no other interest on the table for the Scotland star, 23, the Hoops hierarchy have decided to draw a line in the sand.


Their current bid includes what they believe are attractive add-ons based around appearances, future sales and even Champions League qualification for a player going into the final year of his contract.


They also thought their recent previous dealings with Hibs – with players such as Anthony Stokes, Liam Henderson, Dylan McGeouch and Scott Allan moving between the clubs – and the prospect of it continuing would be a factor. But with Easter Road chairman Rod Petrie holding out for £3million for McGinn, Celtic (https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/all-about/celtic-fc) are content to hold fire.English clubs have an August 9 deadline but Scotland and other European countries have until August 31 to do business.

[LancsHibs]

Great F off Celtc, think you can bully the mighty Hibees you bunch of classless tramps! If we can keep SJM for a bit longer now, brilliant, he is a great player and love him to bits.

[CLASS OF 72 -73]

Personally would be delighted to keep John McGinn at Easter Road he has shown many times & again on Thursday the desire never to give up & push Hibs to the last kick of the ball !!!! Offer made by tic insulting to us & John bye bye !!!!!


Would love an English club to come in with a 3-4M offer with personal terms Celtic can't or won't match but he wants to go to Celtic. Can't see how we are in a strong position other than having him another season and getting to the group stages of the Europa League. The English clubs know where his heart is hence the lack of approaches although would love a few to test Celtic and their pathetic stance.

[we are hibs]

After Thursday night I am actually seeing the value in keeping mcginn for the season over selling him now.especially to those ********s. And I would seriously hope we haven't budgeted for mcginn going and that's why we haven't had replacements for certain players.

[superfurryhibby]

Would love an English club to come in with a 3-4M offer with personal terms Celtic can't or won't match but he wants to go to Celtic. Can't see how we are in a strong position other than having him another season and getting to the group stages of the Europa League. The English clubs know where his heart is hence the lack of approaches although would love a few to test Celtic and their pathetic stance.

If an English team offers Mc Ginn a good bit more money and Hibs a decent fee then he’ll be offski. Pro footballers are guided by their wallets, not their hearts.

I very much doubt any prospective purchaser cares where his heart allegedly lies, if they want him, they offer what it takes to buy him.

[DetroitHibs]

We NEED McGinn for Thursday's game. Don't see us going through if he's sold before then. Absolutely immense performance last week, man's a class above.

[Springbank]

Peter lawwell is falling into the David Murray trap.

Murray got so used to getting his own way he lost sight of value.

compare & contrast:

Murray - happy to pay and be seen to be paying £12m for tore Andre Flo, as a vanity purchase, yet described anything north of £2m for Scott Brown as being "a bit rich for a Scottish boy" (how'd that one work out for you David?)

then

lawwell: happy to pay and be seen to be paying £9m for odsonne eduoard as a vanity purchase, yet this morning unwilling to value SJM above £2m....

no wonder Scott Brown and Brendan Rogers find lawwell to be a prick of the highest order. he will repeat David Murray's arrogant mistake here...

[hibee1875]

no wonder Scott Brown and Brendan Rogers find lawwell to be a prick of the highest order. he will repeat David Murray's arrogant mistake here...

Where’s this come from?

[hibee-boys]

Take the £2million and net off VAT, St Mirren's alledged 33%, agent's fees, Mcginn's cut....we'd be lucky to see a million. Could we make that back with John on board for the next year through better prize money, gate money, cup run etc, you bet we could. Fxxx off Celtic!

[Callum_62]

Where’s this come from?

https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/sport/football/2993081/celtic-brendan-rodgers-wake-up-call-davie-provan/


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[Joe6-2]

https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/sport/football/2993081/celtic-brendan-rodgers-wake-up-call-davie-provan/


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The Sun 😬
Davie Provans a pri*k too

[hibee1875]

https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/sport/football/2993081/celtic-brendan-rodgers-wake-up-call-davie-provan/


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That’s Davie Provan saying hes tight, not Rodgers and Brown saying he’s an arse of the highest order.

[Sammy7nil]

Sorry, refuse to click onto that particular paper's website.

What does it say?

Why are you interested if you refuse to click ? This nonsense about I won't gI've the record or the sun a penny etc but asking others for info is just silly. If you don't like the papers and don't believe a word they say why the interest. It is like I am too good to click that but you do it for me.

[theonlywayisup]

Celtic WON'T increase John McGinn bid as Hoops chiefs stand firm on latest offer


McGinn caught in the middle of transfer stand-off with Celtic offering Hibs £2m plus add-ons for the player who is in the final year of his contract.

Celtic won’t table an increased bid for Hibs (https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/all-about/hibernian-fc) star John McGinn (https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/all-about/john-mcginn). MailSport understands they have decided to stand firm with their latest £2million offer for the midfielder. And their position will only change now if they face competition for his signature from down south before English clubs hit their new transfer deadline day on August 9.However, with no other interest on the table for the Scotland star, 23, the Hoops hierarchy have decided to draw a line in the sand.


Their current bid includes what they believe are attractive add-ons based around appearances, future sales and even Champions League qualification for a player going into the final year of his contract.


They also thought their recent previous dealings with Hibs – with players such as Anthony Stokes, Liam Henderson, Dylan McGeouch and Scott Allan moving between the clubs – and the prospect of it continuing would be a factor. But with Easter Road chairman Rod Petrie holding out for £3million for McGinn, Celtic (https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/all-about/celtic-fc) are content to hold fire.English clubs have an August 9 deadline but Scotland and other European countries have until August 31 to do business.


Thanks.

Wish more would just post the text rather than provide a link to these websites. I refuse to click on the DR and the Sun's webpages.

[Sammy7nil]

Thanks.

Wish more would just post the text rather than provide a link to these websites. I refuse to click on the DR and the Sun's webpages.

See the post above why are you interested?

[theonlywayisup]

It is like I am too good to click that but you do it for me.

Utter pish!!

One person clicks on it, shares the link, 1,000 Hibs fans click to read.

One person clicks on it, shares the text, 1,000 Hibs fans don't click on it to read.

[Sammy7nil]

Utter pish!!

One person clicks on it, shares the link, 1,000 Hibs fans click to read.

One person clicks on it, shares the text, 1,000 Hibs fans don't click on it to read.

Why would you be interested in what they have to say the papers are utter pish, right ?

[WhileTheChief..]

I wonder if a few clicks on a website makes one iota of a difference?

Pretty strange kinda stance when you clearly want to read what they have to say no?

[Captain Trips]

Utter pish!!

One person clicks on it, shares the link, 1,000 Hibs fans click to read.

One person clicks on it, shares the text, 1,000 Hibs fans don't click on it to read.

Indeed we need to take turns
On being the clicker for that week.

[Barman Stanton]

Why would you be interested in what they have to say the papers are utter pish, right ?

I’m interested in what it has to say, but also not keen on giving that paper money. Pretty confused why you have an issue with that to be honest.

[Sammy7nil]

Utter pish!!

One person clicks on it, shares the link, 1,000 Hibs fans click to read.

One person clicks on it, shares the text, 1,000 Hibs fans don't click on it to read.

Why don't you click on the link and post the text rather than asking others ?

[Ozyhibby]

Why are you interested if you refuse to click ? This nonsense about I won't gI've the record or the sun a penny etc but asking others for info is just silly. If you don't like the papers and don't believe a word they say why the interest. It is like I am too good to click that but you do it for me.

[emoji23][emoji23][emoji23] 100% correct. Always makes me laugh when people ask what it says because they are above clicking on a link.


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[Austinho]

I wonder if a few clicks on a website makes one iota of a difference?

Pretty strange kinda stance when you clearly want to read what they have to say no?It’s called ‘clickbait’ for a reason. The more clicks, the more money they make from advertising and collecting data from you.

Besides, even denying them a few pennies is a small victory.

[SRHibs]

Why don't you click on the link and post the text rather than asking others ?

Or just install adblocker.

IMO if you’ve got that much of a moral issue with the website, you would simply refuse to read the text too.

[Sammy7nil]

I’m interested in what it has to say, but also not keen on giving that paper money. Pretty confused why you have an issue with that to be honest.

Just confused why you seem to have moral stance but are happy to encourage others to click and post content so you don't have to. As said may be you should click and post the content so others don't have to.

[HIBERNIAN-0762]

Here we go again 🙄

[J-C]

I love how the DR think oor Rod is still involved in negotiations, no mention of the real CEO Leeann Dempster.

[NORTHERNHIBBY]

Would help if Celtc withdrew their interest.

[Barman Stanton]

Just confused why you seem to have moral stance but are happy to encourage others to click and post content so you don't have to. As said may be you should click and post the content so others don't have to.

It’s the fact we are all Hibs fanatics. Hibs could be written about in my girlfriends magazines and I would be interested in what it says. I wouldn’t go out and buy it though! And there are many reasons to not want to give the Record money, not least the way they treat the likes of Hibs.

[Ozyhibby]

I love how the DR think oor Rod is still involved in negotiations, no mention of the real CEO Leeann Dempster.

There is no evidence Rod is not involved in transfers?


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[Sammy7nil]

It’s the fact we are all Hibs fanatics. Hibs could be written about in my girlfriends magazines and I would be interested in what it says. I wouldn’t go out and buy it though! And there are many reasons to not want to give the Record money, not least the way they treat the likes of Hibs.

Don't ask others do something you would not. I agree paste the content but just do it don't ask others to.

[Jim44]

Celtic WON'T increase John McGinn bid as Hoops chiefs stand firm on latest offer


McGinn caught in the middle of transfer stand-off with Celtic offering Hibs £2m plus add-ons for the player who is in the final year of his contract.

Celtic won’t table an increased bid for Hibs (https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/all-about/hibernian-fc) star John McGinn (https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/all-about/john-mcginn). MailSport understands they have decided to stand firm with their latest £2million offer for the midfielder. And their position will only change now if they face competition for his signature from down south before English clubs hit their new transfer deadline day on August 9.However, with no other interest on the table for the Scotland star, 23, the Hoops hierarchy have decided to draw a line in the sand.


Their current bid includes what they believe are attractive add-ons based around appearances, future sales and even Champions League qualification for a player going into the final year of his contract.


They also thought their recent previous dealings with Hibs – with players such as Anthony Stokes, Liam Henderson, Dylan McGeouch and Scott Allan moving between the clubs – and the prospect of it continuing would be a factor. But with Easter Road chairman Rod Petrie holding out for £3million for McGinn, Celtic (https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/all-about/celtic-fc) are content to hold fire.English clubs have an August 9 deadline but Scotland and other European countries have until August 31 to do business.



What a muppet this guy is. Just because we have recent business dealings with them , he expects to get massive discounts on the potential McGinn deal. It remains to be seen whether we get offers from England, but it does seem to suggest that they are considering getting into a bidding war if necessary. It, arguably, also suggests that the ‘McGinn will only sign for Celtic’ myth is maybe just that. It’s going to be an interesting 11 days.

[BOB MARLEYS DUG]

No McGinn to Celtic may mean no Allan to us.

[flash]

What a muppet this guy is. Just because we have recent business dealings with them , he expects to get massive discounts on the potential McGinn deal. It remains to be seen whether we get offers from England, but it does seem to suggest that they are considering getting into a bidding war if necessary. It, arguably, also suggests that the ‘McGinn will only sign for Celtic’ myth is maybe just that. It’s going to be an interesting 11 days.

The interest from other clubs is the key to it all. SJM wants to move on and the club want to maximise the deal.
Without any other offers we are left to squeeze what we can out of a notoriously tight Celtc.
If we get a decent offer from elsewhere it changes everything as it gives us leverage against them.

[Betty Boop]

No McGinn to Celtic may mean no Allan to us.

Wouldn't be surprised if Allan signed a precontract in Jan with his boyhood heroes.

[Sammy7nil]

The interest from other clubs is the key to it all. SJM wants to move on and the club want to maximise the deal.
Without any other offers we are left to squeeze what we can out of a notoriously tight Celtc.
If we get a decent offer from elsewhere it changes everything as it gives us leverage against them.

What we need is another SJM standout performance on Thursday with Hibs going through English teams may take notice of European performances as they don't seem to care how well you do in Scotland unless you play for the uglies.

[Libby Hibby]

This latest article is design to put pressure on Hibs and appease the Celtic fans into thinking that they are in charge in the situation.

There are so many positives and negatives with both keeping McGinn and selling him to go into but I do think he will go this window in a deal deal that suits Hibs with us benefiting now with additional players and in the future with the McGinn contract clauses.

One thing I don’t understand with the Hibs strategy is why wait until McGinn goes to add to the squad? Surely we must have the funds to conclude certain deals now rather than waiting for the rumoured Allan, Malumbu, McLaren etc to come in after McGinn is away.

[Keith_M]

Maybe you guys could start a separate thread about the merits/downsides of clicking on DR and Sun links and leave the rest of us to discuss the actual thread topic.

[Jim44]

Wouldn't be surprised if Allan signed a precontract in Jan with his boyhood heroes.

Or us. :wink:

[Sammy7nil]

Maybe you guys could start a separate thread about the merits/downsides of clicking on DR and Sun links and leave the rest of us to discuss the actual thread topic.

Stick to the topic please :greengrin

[jonny]

This latest article is design to put pressure on Hibs and appease the Celtic fans into thinking that they are in charge in the situation.

There are so many positives and negatives with both keeping McGinn and selling him to go into but I do think he will go this window in a deal deal that suits Hibs with us benefiting now with additional players and in the future with the McGinn contract clauses.

One thing I don’t understand with the Hibs strategy is why wait until McGinn goes to add to the squad? Surely we must have the funds to conclude certain deals now rather than waiting for the rumoured Allan, Malumbu, McLaren etc to come in after McGinn is away.

I'm not sure about McLarens availability just now, he played and scored for his German club the other day, their manager also seems keen to hold onto him. Even if the player is looking for a move his club hold the aces.
I'd be surprised if Celtic would deal on Allan whilst the McGinn saga rolls on and I'm not sure we were ever actually in for Mulumbu.
I've no doubt we're still working on bringing players in the background but not so sure they involve the names you mentioned.

[Pagan Hibernia]

This latest article is design to put pressure on Hibs and appease the Celtic fans into thinking that they are in charge in the situation.

There are so many positives and negatives with both keeping McGinn and selling him to go into but I do think he will go this window in a deal deal that suits Hibs with us benefiting now with additional players and in the future with the McGinn contract clauses.

One thing I don’t understand with the Hibs strategy is why wait until McGinn goes to add to the squad? Surely we must have the funds to conclude certain deals now rather than waiting for the rumoured Allan, Malumbu, McLaren etc to come in after McGinn is away.

Do you think Celtic will sell Allan to us if they don’t get their way this summer?

i fully support Hibs holding out over McGinn, but I think we should be prepared to miss out on Allan as a result.

[Libby Hibby]

I'm not sure about McLarens availability just now, he played and scored for his German club the other day, their manager also seems keen to hold onto him. Even if the player is looking for a move his club hold the aces.
I'd be surprised if Celtic would deal on Allan whilst the McGinn saga rolls on and I'm not sure we were ever actually in for Mulumbu.
I've no doubt we're still working on bringing players in the background but not so sure they involve the names you mentioned.

Hence why I said rumoured. Nobody, myself and yourself included, know exactly who the club are targeting by name.

But my point regarding signing players now still stands.

[J-C]

There is no evidence Rod is not involved in transfers?


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Pretty sure it was Leeann who was on the flight to get Kamberi signed up.

[BILLYHIBS]

Not sure if already mentioned but Sunday Mail report today that Celtic will not come in with an increased bid for SJM. They will only come back in if they face competition from down south in the next two weeks.

[Libby Hibby]

Do you think Celtic will sell Allan to us if they don’t get their way this summer?

i fully support Hibs holding out over McGinn, but I think we should be prepared to miss out on Allan as a result.

Yes, I think they will if clubs agree on a price. It is business after all.

[Jim44]

Not sure if already mentioned but Sunday Mail report today that Celtic will not come in with an increased bid for SJM. They will only come back in if they face competition from down south in the next two weeks.

Mentioned and discussed only a page or two back.

[Greenworld]

Not sure if already mentioned but Sunday Mail report today that Celtic will not come in with an increased bid for SJM. They will only come back in if they face competition from down south in the next two weeks.It's a strange strategy..If they offered 3 million and allan now you've got to think a deal would be concluded.

Wait and a bid of 4 million comes in from down south they have to match it or loose out altogether.


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[GordonHFC]

Are Celtic supporters that stupid that they dont think an English club are just as capable of coming in with a pre contract agreenent in January offering a much bigger salary than they can?

[Mantis Toboggan]

At this point we must all just be thinking one thing. And that thing is, **** the **** off Celtic you cheap cheap pricks.

[Blaster]

Here we go again 🙄

Exactly mate. Let people decide themselves if they want to click links or not. If I want to I will irrespective of other folks do’s and don’ts on here

[SirDavidsNapper]

Do you think Celtic will sell Allan to us if they don’t get their way this summer?

i fully support Hibs holding out over McGinn, but I think we should be prepared to miss out on Allan as a result.

Yes. Celtic will not want to ruin their special relationship with us 😉😉

[Springbank]

Are Celtic supporters that stupid that they dont think an English club are just as capable of coming in with a pre contract agreenent in January offering a much bigger salary than they can?

it's not their fans who suffer from this delusion.
it's their chief exec.
lawwell stands to lose a lot - in terms of relationship with Rogers at al - when they get Scott Allan-ed for being tight

[snooky]

Not sure if already mentioned but Sunday Mail report today that Celtic will not come in with an increased bid for SJM. They will only come back in if they face competition from down south in the next two weeks.

That's fair enough, but if a bid from elsewhere comes in, I'd tell Celtic that they were too late and to go forth & multiply.

[Springbank]

That's fair enough, but if a bid from elsewhere comes in, I'd tell Celtic that they were too late and to go forth & multiply.

100%

had yer chance & lawwelled it, sorry

[JimboHibs]

Exactly mate. Let people decide themselves if they want to click links or not. If I want to I will irrespective of other folks do’s and don’ts on here

What a thread 73 pages of guesswork 🙄🙄

[Bangkok Hibby]

Maybe you guys could start a separate thread about the merits/downsides of clicking on DR and Sun links and leave the rest of us to discuss the actual thread topic.

What you said...Amazing how people get bent out of shape at others. So funny.

Glad he's "probably" staying and the Record is a rag!

[Hibbyradge]

What a thread 73 pages of guesswork 🙄🙄

That's not fair.

A decent percentage of it is wishful thinking too.

[Hibs90]

Imagine the scenes if McGinn signs a wee extensjon after all this

[Ozyhibby]

Today probably helps in that any English interest who were reluctant to come forward because they thought Celtic were in the box seat may now se that way as being clear.


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[northgreen24]

What I really don’t get is why Celtic feel like they have the cards on this one, it’s almost like we should be grateful.

1. he’s our player so it’s OUR decision on a player valuation
2. This is not 10 years ago, we are on a sound footing financialy and like previous, the real offer is around a million by the time cuts to St Mirren and John (know sell on but who’s to say he won’t do a Brown and never move)
3. If we don’t get Allan fair enough, we have Mcginn and there is a reason they want him and not Allan so they will be paying a player they don’t want and we have one of the top Scottish midfielders in the country right now.
4 finally if we lose the million would me as a fan be bothered as it’s clear it won’t change the club as revenue from Europe and another top 4 will counter

Hibs are on a crest at the moment and the days of laying down are in the passed, Mcginn for another year before he rides off in to the sunset having helped promotion, Scottish cup and memories on hopefully another good finish will do me fine

GGTTH

[brog]

[QUOTE=YehButNoBut;5484395]Celtic WON'T increase John McGinn bid as Hoops chiefs stand firm on latest offer


McGinn caught in the middle of transfer stand-off with Celtic offering Hibs £2m plus add-ons for the player who is in the final year of his contract.

Celtic won’t table an increased bid for Hibs (https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/all-about/hibernian-fc) star John McGinn (https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/all-about/john-mcginn). MailSport understands they have decided to stand firm with their latest £2million offer for the midfielder. And their position will only change now if they face competition for his signature from down south before English clubs hit their new transfer deadline day on August 9.However, with no other interest on the table for the Scotland star, 23, the Hoops hierarchy have decided to draw a line in the sand.


Their current bid includes what they believe are attractive add-ons based around appearances, future sales and even Champions League qualification for a player going into the final year of his contract.


They also thought their recent previous dealings with Hibs – with players such as Anthony Stokes, Liam Henderson, Dylan McGeouch and Scott Allan moving between the clubs – and the prospect of it continuing would be a factor. But with Easter Road chairman Rod Petrie holding out for £3million for McGinn, Celtic (https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/all-about/celtic-fc) are content to hold fire.English clubs have an August 9 deadline but Scotland and other European countries have until August 31 to do business.

I'm actually encouraged by this nonsensical article. If Celtc were not under pressure from their fans then they wouldn't have to seek out a tame journo & feed him, what should be, confidential information. They really are pathetic, they start by offering us less than 25% of the money they received for an older player with less caps than SJM. The add ons are fine, though I laughed at the CL one, but they're pretty much expected now & they'll mostly kick in years down the line. Hang tough Hibs, Celtc are always only one game away from a crisis.

[SirDavidsNapper]

If no suitable bids materialise i can see a one year extension being signed. I'd be very surprised if he signed a pre contract with anyone which ment Hibs and St Mirren lost out. John's a good lad.

[Smartie]

Pretty sure it was Leeann who was on the flight to get Kamberi signed up.

Leeann was spotted at OK Sushi.

Maybe Petrie was furtively perusing the scud mags in WH Smith?

[leggeto]

[QUOTE=YehButNoBut;5484395]Celtic WON'T increase John McGinn bid as Hoops chiefs stand firm on latest offer


McGinn caught in the middle of transfer stand-off with Celtic offering Hibs £2m plus add-ons for the player who is in the final year of his contract.

Celtic won’t table an increased bid for Hibs (https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/all-about/hibernian-fc) star John McGinn (https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/all-about/john-mcginn). MailSport understands they have decided to stand firm with their latest £2million offer for the midfielder. And their position will only change now if they face competition for his signature from down south before English clubs hit their new transfer deadline day on August 9.However, with no other interest on the table for the Scotland star, 23, the Hoops hierarchy have decided to draw a line in the sand.


Their current bid includes what they believe are attractive add-ons based around appearances, future sales and even Champions League qualification for a player going into the final year of his contract.


They also thought their recent previous dealings with Hibs – with players such as Anthony Stokes, Liam Henderson, Dylan McGeouch and Scott Allan moving between the clubs – and the prospect of it continuing would be a factor. But with Easter Road chairman Rod Petrie holding out for £3million for McGinn, Celtic (https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/all-about/celtic-fc) are content to hold fire.English clubs have an August 9 deadline but Scotland and other European countries have until August 31 to do business.

I'm actually encouraged by this nonsensical article. If Celtc were not under pressure from their fans then they wouldn't have to seek out a tame journo & feed him, what should be, confidential information. They really are pathetic, they start by offering us less than 25% of the money they received for an older player with less caps than SJM. The add ons are fine, though I laughed at the CL one, but they're pretty much expected now & they'll mostly kick in years down the line. Hang tough Hibs, Celtc are always only one game away from a crisis.


That paper talks a lot of pash tbh,Celtic don't want to give us more money because they know it will strengthen us in the future,always taking the best players from any team that gets close to them,us,Aberdeen and Dundee Utd.
I would like to see john stay and take a hit on the transfer fee but I think he will go if we don't make the group stage as that would be the only way we could make the money not handed over by them.

[Austinho]

Imagine the scenes if McGinn signs a wee extensjon after all thisIf no bids from England come in, and Celtic don’t raise their offer, I wonder how likely that scenario is. Risky not having the security of a contract - what it he was to pick up a serious injury between now and January, he’d potentially be out on his arse next year.

[J-C]

Leeann was spotted at OK Sushi.

Maybe Petrie was furtively perusing the scud mags in WH Smith?

Haha

[w pilton hibby]

If no bids from England come in, and Celtic don’t raise their offer, I wonder how likely that scenario is. Risky not having the security of a contract - what it he was to pick up a serious injury between now and January, he’d potentially be out on his arse next year.

According to this English clubs are not clamouring to get McGinn.

http://the72.co.uk/111586/derby-county-birmingham-city-end-interest-celtic-transfer-target/

[Greenworld]

According to this English clubs are not clamouring to get McGinn.

http://the72.co.uk/111586/derby-county-birmingham-city-end-interest-celtic-transfer-target/



The Question is why

[Jim44]

According to this English clubs are not clamouring to get McGinn.

http://the72.co.uk/111586/derby-county-birmingham-city-end-interest-celtic-transfer-target/

Lampard and Monk have been threatened with a kneecap job if they pursue an interest in McGinn. :cb

[hibee-boys]

The Question is why

I'm assuming they've been told that John is only interested in joining Celtic.

[The_Horde]

Alan Nixon is clueless. Blocked me on Twitter for calling him out as a spraff.

[where'stheslope]

If no bids from England come in, and Celtic don’t raise their offer, I wonder how likely that scenario is. Risky not having the security of a contract - what it he was to pick up a serious injury between now and January, he’d potentially be out on his arse next year.

The last player with that senario, is now playing in the EPL next year!!!!

[gorgie greens]

The Question is why

funny Tam MacManus tweeted after the midweek game that more than one Championship scout was raving about McGinns display in that game ,and he expects bids to follow.

[Jim44]

I'm assuming they've been told that John is only interested in joining Celtic.

By whom? Even if true I don’t think clubs with their financial clout would be deterred by a dubious rumour. Even Lawwell according to the recent report refers to possible interest from England.

[Velma Dinkley]

Alan Nixon is clueless. Blocked me on Twitter for calling him out as a spraff.

Doesn't he work for Mirror Group ie. the same company as the Daily Record? Anyway, there was absolutely no facts, quotes etc in that article about any clubs dropping interest.

[Chic Murray]

According to this English clubs are not clamouring to get McGinn.

http://the72.co.uk/111586/derby-county-birmingham-city-end-interest-celtic-transfer-target/

It's not entirely clear what that article says.

It starts off saying the clubs have ended their interest, before going on to say,

"Reportedly, Derby County boss Frank Lampard was willing to pay £3million for the tireless midfielder but is fighting to stop him from joining Scottish giants Celtic."

Why would you be fighting to stop him going to Celtic, if you weren't interested, and how can there be a fight if you are offering £2m more than the other team.

Load of mince.

[NORTHERNHIBBY]

Anyone think that the weegia are portraying both sides as standing firm or just Celtc and we are being difficult?

[Aldo]

Anyone think that the weegia are portraying both sides as standing firm or just Celtc and we are being difficult?

The later as usual. We are preventing him from progressing his career and a team he supported as a boy!


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[Keith_M]

By whom? Even if true I don’t think clubs with their financial clout would be deterred by a dubious rumour. Even Lawwell according to the recent report refers to possible interest from England.


:cough: - Crystal Palace - :cough:

[Greenworld]

The more this continues the more I think we should be looking to offer John something to sign a new contract
Why not offer him a pay off of say 300k if a club comes in a matches hibs 4 million valuation in the future.
Mind you there has to be a willingness from the player.



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[Heisenberg]

:cough: - Crystal Palace - :cough:

That would be a great move for him.

[Captain Trips]

If we get through on Thursday get him into office and offer him an improved contract 1yr extension with increased wage from right away.

A one and only offer so we know where we stand with him finally. Has to be the very best offer we can make.

[Keith_M]

If we get through on Thursday get him into office and offer him an improved contract 1yr extension with increased wage from right away.

A one and only offer so we know where we stand with him finally. Has to be the very best offer we can make.


I would love it if he signed an extension to his contract but it would have to be a seriously large wage to dissuade him from signing for somebody else. I can't see Hibs offering him something like 10 grand a week and I can't imagine anything less tempting him to stay.

Sad to say but we're competing with seriously large budgets elsewhere, Celtc with their Euro money and 50k Season Tickets and English clubs that get tens of millions in TV money.

[Famous Fiver]

Salford City not sniffing about?

[Nicho87]

2 year extension

Minimum fee release £4 million

Giving Saint 1.2 roughly and say give McGinn £300k as a goodwill gesture.

Making him the highest paid player for the next 6 month to one year until he does leave.

We get a fee. McGinn gets a move. Case closed

[JimboHibs]

That's not fair.

A decent percentage of it is wishful thinking too.

Totally 👍

[Jack Hackett]

That would be a great move for him.

Not for me as a Seagulls fan... Would be like him going to the yams

[Joe6-2]

[QUOTE=Aldo;5484618]The later as usual. We are preventing him from progressing his career and a team he supported as a boy!


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I would like to think most people would see that Seltic are trying to steal him, offer the right money!

[Eyrie]

Anyone think that the weegia are portraying both sides as standing firm or just Celtc and we are being difficult?

An equally balanced view would be that Celtc only offering £2m is proof that they are in financial difficulty and at risk of going bust.

[Greenworld]

An equally balanced view would be that Celtc only offering £2m is proof that they are in financial difficulty and at risk of going bust.Yes I heard that as well.. [emoji38]

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[Speedy]

There is no evidence Rod is not involved in transfers?


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That's not the Chairman's job.

[jeffers]

2 year extension

Minimum fee release £4 million

Giving Saint 1.2 roughly and say give McGinn £300k as a goodwill gesture.

Making him the highest paid player for the next 6 month to one year until he does leave.

We get a fee. McGinn gets a move. Case closed

I love your optimism but if (so far anyway) noone is matching our supposed £3M valuation now why would a team offer £4M a year from now ? He had the chance to sign an extension and nothing came of it, I just don't see it happening as much as I'd love him to.

[Greenworld]

:cough: - Crystal Palace - :cough:Cough villa cough it's contagious

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[Joe6-2]

[QUOTE=Aldo;5484618]The later as usual. We are preventing him from progressing his career and a team he supported as a boy!


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I would like to think most people would see that Seltic are trying to steal him, offer the right money!

[Famous Fiver]

Cough- The The Rangers - cough.

Oh wait, mistaken identity!!!!

[Keith_M]

Cough villa cough it's contagious

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It's spreading

:greengrin

[ancient hibee]

I love your optimism but if (so far anyway) noone is matching our supposed £3M valuation now why would a team offer £4M a year from now ? He had the chance to sign an extension and nothing came of it, I just don't see it happening as much as I'd love him to.
When was he offered an extension?

[Lago]

Cough, cough I don't think anyone down South is seriously interested in signing him just now, quite content to wait and see.

[jacomo]

There is no evidence Rod is not involved in transfers?


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I hope he is. He’s got some skills.

[ancient hibee]

I hope he is. He’s got some skills.
He’s a non-executive chairman and I’m pretty sure that’s all he is now.

[jeffers]

When was he offered an extension?

I seem to remember NL saying at the AGM that he'd been spoken to about a new deal ........and we were still waiting on him getting back to us.

[ancient hibee]

Thanks.

[HelmutSchlong]

@tamhere1875
Replying to @HenrikVegetable and @ryan58061322
Naw actually just in a happy mood after hearing that SJM is signing a years extension at Hibs.
7:09 pm · 29 Jul 2018

Just seen this on twitter, any ITK info?

[bingo70]

@tamhere1875
Replying to @HenrikVegetable and @ryan58061322
Naw actually just in a happy mood after hearing that SJM is signing a years extension at Hibs.
7:09 pm · 29 Jul 2018

Just seen this on twitter, any ITK info?

No itk info but applying common sense to the situation tells me there’s no chance of that happening until the transfer window closes.

[jeffers]

No itk info but applying common sense to the situation tells me there’s no chance of that happening until the transfer window closes.

Even after the window closes I still would be amazed, I just don't see what's in it for him.

[DarlingtonHibee]

He’s a non-executive chairman and I’m pretty sure that’s all he is now.

Leanne will report to Rod. He still has a lot of say. He is STF voice.

[bingo70]

Even after the window closes I still would be amazed, I just don't see what's in it for him.

An extra £2k a week and a guaranteed move next summer?

That’s a huge incentive for a young guy.

The move can be guaranteed by putting in a conservative minimum transfer fee release clause.

[JimBHibees]

No itk info but applying common sense to the situation tells me there’s no chance of that happening until the transfer window closes.

Agree little chance of that happening

[J-C]

An extra £2k a week and a guaranteed move next summer?

That’s a huge incentive for a young guy.

The move can be guaranteed by putting in a conservative minimum transfer fee release clause.


Agreed, offer a decent signing on fee, £4k a week, bonuses for getting to the group stages and a minimum release fee agreed of say £3m.

[JimboHibs]

Agreed, offer a decent signing on fee, £4k a week, bonuses for getting to the group stages and a minimum release fee agreed of say £3m.

Aye no bother 👍

[CapitalGreen]

@tamhere1875
Replying to @HenrikVegetable and @ryan58061322
Naw actually just in a happy mood after hearing that SJM is signing a years extension at Hibs.
7:09 pm · 29 Jul 2018

Just seen this on twitter, any ITK info?

A known slaver

[jeffers]

An extra £2k a week and a guaranteed move next summer?

That’s a huge incentive for a young guy.

The move can be guaranteed by putting in a conservative minimum transfer fee release clause.

If he leaves for free at the end of the season he's likely to get a bigger signing on fee than the extra £100k he'd make by signing an extension with us. If the release fee is minimal then it's not really worth it for us though either since we'd be making very little + St Mirren get a cut and we are paying him £100k more that we don't have to. I do think he deserves a pay rise, but that's a totally different discussion.

[bingo70]

If he leaves for free at the end of the season he's likely to get a bigger signing on fee than the extra £100k he'd make by signing an extension with us. If the release fee is minimal then it's not really worth it for us though either since we'd be making very little + St Mirren get a cut and we are paying him £100k more that we don't have to. I do think he deserves a pay rise, but that's a totally different discussion.

I disagree.

£100k would be the outlay but there is other incentives that would come from him staying such as better league position and good Cup runs, we could offer him a % of the transfer fee as well as incentivise him for progression on competitions.

He would also then have the security of a long term deal.

£2k a week was also just an example to illustrate the point, it could be more than that.

[Ozyhibby]

If he leaves for free at the end of the season he's likely to get a bigger signing on fee than the extra £100k he'd make by signing an extension with us. If the release fee is minimal then it's not really worth it for us though either since we'd be making very little + St Mirren get a cut and we are paying him £100k more that we don't have to. I do think he deserves a pay rise, but that's a totally different discussion.

Offer him an extra £3k per week and 50% of any fee we receive over £3m. If we get £5m for him he could be banking an extra £1m in his tail. And we are happy with £4m.


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[HelmutSchlong]

Offer him an extra £3k per week and 50% of any fee we receive over £3m. If we get £5m for him he could be banking an extra £1m in his tail. And we are happy with £4m.


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£4m minus St Mirrens cut

[jeffers]

I disagree.

£100k would be the outlay but there is other incentives that would come from him staying such as better league position and good Cup runs, we could offer him a % of the transfer fee as well as incentivise him for progression on competitions.

He would also then have the security of a long term deal.

£2k a week was also just an example to illustrate the point, it could be more than that.

I suppose my argument is now changing to I don't see what we get out of it (that we wouldn't already get) :greengrin If he signs an extension and stays for more than a year then yes, but if your scenario is he signs and only stays for a year then we are shelling out a lot of money we don't have to.

[J-C]

I suppose my argument is now changing to I don't see what we get out of it (that we wouldn't already get) :greengrin If he signs an extension and stays for more than a year then yes, but if your scenario is he signs and only stays for a year then we are shelling out a lot of money we don't have to.


How much would it cost to get someone to replace him, plus we have a chance of making upwards of £6m if we get to the groups of the Euros.

[jeffers]

Offer him an extra £3k per week and 50% of any fee we receive over £3m. If we get £5m for him he could be banking an extra £1m in his tail. And we are happy with £4m.


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Trouble with that it only benefits us if he stays for more than one year extra otherwise we are paying more to keep him for the year he would have been staying for anyway. Plus if noone is willing to offer more than £2M for him this season what is there to say anyone will offer more next season ?

[The Leith Dutch]

An extra £2k a week and a guaranteed move next summer?

That’s a huge incentive for a young guy.

The move can be guaranteed by putting in a conservative minimum transfer fee release clause.

But surely as an answer for the question "what's in it for him?" then the bit in bold could also be written as "less money than he'd get for Celtic and delaying the move he (allegedly) wants for a year"? It's only better than what he currently has and almost certainly not better than what's currently on the table for him sadly :(

I mean I'd absolutely love to be wrong on this as McGinn staying another year would be a massive boost to our season and bring some continuity to the midfield but I just can't see it.

[jeffers]

How much would it cost to get someone to replace him, plus we have a chance of making upwards of £6m if we get to the groups of the Euros.

I don't think we can replace him, he's one of the best midfielders I've seen in a Hibs jersey. My point is if he doesn't leave during this window we have him for the full season anyway, from a business point of view why would we then pay him extra money if he's under contract anyway ?

[Speedy]

Trouble with that it only benefits us if he stays for more than one year extra otherwise we are paying more to keep him for the year he would have been staying for anyway. Plus if noone is willing to offer more than £2M for him this season what is there to say anyone will offer more next season ?

Offer him £100k, an extra £2k per week and a £2.5m (plus add ons) release clause might convince him.

[Speedy]

But surely as an answer for the question "what's in it for him?" then the bit in bold could also be written as "less money than he'd get for Celtic and delaying the move he (allegedly) wants for a year"? It's only better than what he currently has and almost certainly not better than what's currently on the table for him sadly :(

I mean I'd absolutely love to be wrong on this as McGinn staying another year would be a massive boost to our season and bring some continuity to the midfield but I just can't see it.

There's currently nothing on the table for him.

He won't sign an extension while the window is open but after that, who knows.

[J-C]

I don't think we can replace him, he's one of the best midfielders I've seen in a Hibs jersey. My point is if he doesn't leave during this window we have him for the full season anyway, from a business point of view why would we then pay him extra money if he's under contract anyway ?


If he signed an extension it means we'd get something next year instead of nothing. John knows what he's worth and isn't complaining about it, he knows he's wanted but accepts the right value should be met for us and for St Mirren. A decent signing fee and an increase of around £2-3k would offset any loss of wages to an extent and allows him to move if a set fee is agreed next season, he may just fancy having a go at the Europa league and another crack at getting 2nd spot.

[jeffers]

Offer him £100k, an extra £2k per week and a £2.5m (plus add ons) release clause might convince him.

I'm speculating since I've clearly never been a football agent, but is £300K likely to be more than he'd get signing for another club as a free agent ?

[Ozyhibby]

Trouble with that it only benefits us if he stays for more than one year extra otherwise we are paying more to keep him for the year he would have been staying for anyway. Plus if noone is willing to offer more than £2M for him this season what is there to say anyone will offer more next season ?

?? If he stay this season and we sell him next summer for £5m then everyone benefits? He gets extra wages from now and a big part of the sale fee and we get more than we are being offered now and more than we would get if he leaves for nothing next season.


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