Sky sports news Celtic bid for McGinn turned down

[HoboHarry]

That in no way constitutes him f****** is over though. If he does go in this window then we’ll do pretty well out of it as well no?
:agree:

[Since90+2]

I understand that, he can do what he wants. If he isn't with Hibs though, he is against Hibs. I'll never be happy about a player essentially forcing a move to a domestic rival.

He is leaving Hibs, as a Hibs fan I'm not happy about that. I'm grateful for what he has done here but as soon as he leaves he's just another smelly Celtic player, like Griffiths and Brown.

Nah. John Mcginn will always be a club legend and rightfully so after what he has done for our club.

[monarch]

I despise Celtic and their s***b*g of a CEO even more. This untidy McGinn mess is all their and his doing and I’m sure that every day that passes, the guarantee of him going there increases. The next concession to them will be ‘resting’ him in the Faroes match. I wouldn’t be surprised if they let it drag on till the English window closes and then put in the same bid ( £1.75m) or less knowing that we will accept. Believe what LD says about McGinn’s value to the club if you want but. IMO, he’s theirs on their terms. They could have played the white man at the start and made an honest, serious bid for McGinn and the whole thing could have been settled quietly, quickly and harmoniously.

Unfortunately football is also a business these days and Celtic are entitled to get him for as little as they can, especially if there are no other bidders. They have no obligation to fill our coffers any more than they have to.
Not sure what Marvin or Effe would make of your quaint early twentieth century phraseology though :tsk tsk:

[HoboHarry]

Unfortunately football is also a business these days and Celtic are entitled to get him for as little as they can, especially if there are no other bidders. They have no obligation to fill our coffers any more than they have to.
Not sure what Marvin or Effe would make of your quaint early twentieth century phraseology though :tsk tsk:
Ach, the PC brigade can go get stuffed.......

Heh, heh, heh......

[J-C]

Couple of points.

Allan will be seen as a separate deal, Celtic will pay him off so he can move to us.

McGinn has forced Hibs hand here by only wanting to go to Celtic. I'm pretty sure English clubs may have been interested but have been put off knowing McGinns feelings. This has allowed Celtic to lowball us with a derisory offer, effectively taking around £1-2m off his true value.

[MB62]

Unfortunately football is also a business these days and Celtic are entitled to get him for as little as they can, especially if there are no other bidders. They have no obligation to fill our coffers any more than they have to.
Not sure what Marvin or Effe would make of your quaint early twentieth century phraseology though :tsk tsk:

That's correct, and on the other side of the coin, we have no obligation to bend over and ask Celtc how far they would like to shove it right up us. We are not desperate to sell, we didn't approach Celtc and plead with them to put in a bid, ANY BID, for SJM.
As I have said numerous times, IF THEY WANT HIM, THEY HAVE TO PAY THE GOING RATE, other wise John can continue wearing the original green jersey for another season and they can go poke.

[Jim44]

That's correct, and on the other side of the coin, we have no obligation to bend over and ask Celtc how far they would like to shove it right up us. We are not desperate to sell, we didn't approach Celtc and plead with them to put in a bid, ANY BID, for SJM.
As I have said numerous times, IF THEY WANT HIM, THEY HAVE TO PAY THE GOING RATE, other wise John can continue wearing the original green jersey for another season and they can go poke.

....... and, meanwhile this week, he pulls the jersey on for us and gets on with what he’s paid to do. I’ll be delighted but surprised if he does tho’.

[Thecat23]

"Here you go Hibs, here's one of our young players who can't get a sniff, you can have him for a season to develop for us and we'll throw in a bag of sweets too but remember to give St Mirren 33% of them. Now give us your best player"

Celtic can ram it. No better than the cheapskates from Govan.

What if the loan player ended up being our player of the year? I don’t care if he’s a Celtic player if any player from any club improves Hibs then take them. All this but we’re progressing their players so what, Celtic are not our direct competition so it makes no difference.

[HoboHarry]

What if the loan player ended up being our player of the year? I don’t care if he’s a Celtic player if any player from any club improves Hibs then take them. All this but we’re progressing their players so what, Celtic are not our direct competition so it makes no difference.
It matters when we play Celtic because of the ridiculous "can't play against your parent club rule". If a player is playing for a club on loan there should be no restrictions.....

[Jones28]

Just to clarify, is it not the case that the St Mirren chairman has said in the press that the sell in clause they'd be due is nowhere near 33%? This figure is being banded about constantly but I've read somewhere - possibly on here - that this is not the case. Can anyone confirm?

[MyJo]

It matters when we play Celtic because of the ridiculous "can't play against your parent club rule". If a player is playing for a club on loan there should be no restrictions.....

It's not a rule, its a stipulation that the loaning club include in the terms of the loan at their discretion.

[Peevemor]

Just to clarify, is it not the case that the St Mirren chairman has said in the press that the sell in clause they'd be due is nowhere near 33%? This figure is being banded about constantly but I've read somewhere - possibly on here - that this is not the case. Can anyone confirm?

I think it's the other way round. The St Mirren chairment spoke of 30+% and Rod said it was nowhere near that.

[HoboHarry]

Just to clarify, is it not the case that the St Mirren chairman has said in the press that the sell in clause they'd be due is nowhere near 33%? This figure is being banded about constantly but I've read somewhere - possibly on here - that this is not the case. Can anyone confirm?
It was Rod Petrie that stated that it was nowhere near the figure quoted by the St Mirren chairman. Maybe the accounts will tell us at a later date.....

[HoboHarry]

It's not a rule, its a stipulation that the loaning club include in the terms of the loan at their discretion.
Happy to stand corrected but I think it became a rule......

[Jim44]

What if the loan player ended up being our player of the year? I don’t care if he’s a Celtic player if any player from any club improves Hibs then take them. All this but we’re progressing their players so what, Celtic are not our direct competition so it makes no difference.

...... hmmmmm? I get your drift, but some on here might disagree. :greengrin

[SirDavidsNapper]

I know what's holding the deal up. Rod is working on an "option to buy" clause for the young lad Celtic are trying to loan us. The crafty fox that he is :wink:

[AlbertK86]

Couple of points.

Allan will be seen as a separate deal, Celtic will pay him off so he can move to us.

McGinn has forced Hibs hand here by only wanting to go to Celtic. I'm pretty sure English clubs may have been interested but have been put off knowing McGinns feelings. This has allowed Celtic to lowball us with a derisory offer, effectively taking around £1-2m off his true value.

Has it been confirmed anywhere that SJM has actually told Hibs this


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[Greenworld]

I know what's holding the deal up. Rod is working on an "option to buy" clause for the young lad Celtic are trying to loan us. The crafty fox that he is :wink:Rod is in Derby working to finalise a move their and shove it right up celtic [emoji23][emoji23][emoji102]

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[MyJo]

Happy to stand corrected but I think it became a rule......

Bored at work so I checked and your right, it is a rule now.

[Speedway]

McGinn to sign new contract at Hibs if no move materialises this summer.

[bigwheel]

McGinn to sign new contract at Hibs if no move materialises this summer.


would love that....

[houstonhibbee]

McGinn to sign new contract at Hibs if no move materialises this summer.

Yes please!

[Thecat23]

It matters when we play Celtic because of the ridiculous "can't play against your parent club rule". If a player is playing for a club on loan there should be no restrictions.....

It’s rubbish I agree, but for 3 or 4 games we should be able to cope and have cover there. But for the rest of our games the player could be very good for us.

[Jim44]

McGinn to sign new contract at Hibs if no move materialises this summer.

Sauce? :greengrin

[H18 SFR]

Here's a question, can Allan and Mallan play in the same midfield?

Over the years we've had Lennon and Lambert, Lampard and Gerrard debates to name two, can SA and SM play in the same midfield or are they too similar?

[J-C]

Good players should be able to play together

[SouthMoroccoStu]

McGinn to sign new contract at Hibs if no move materialises this summer.

Wishful thinking!

[Tricla]

Here's a question, can Allan and Mallan play in the same midfield?

Over the years we've had Lennon and Lambert, Lampard and Gerrard debates to name two, can SA and SM play in the same midfield or are they too similar?

Mallan and Swanson looked good together on Thursday and they're both attack minded midfielders. No reason why all three of them can't play together and rip teams apart.

[The_Horde]

Here's a question, can Allan and Mallan play in the same midfield?

Over the years we've had Lennon and Lambert, Lampard and Gerrard debates to name two, can SA and SM play in the same midfield or are they too similar?

They play similar positions sure. But I wouldn't say they're that similar in actual style. Mallan looked far better against Runavik when he dropped deeper IMO. Allan is far more of a luxury/flair player than Mallan is.

[snooky]

Good players should be able to play together

Should yes but it doesn't always mean they do. Like musicians, just because they're good players, it doesn't mean they blend together or are on the same wave length. The Deek and Gaz partnership is the best example I can think of re. two players who blended together. Mainly because ( but not just because) they played together a lot.
Good players who didn't click in the same team - Keane & Veron (Man U) + Gerard & Lampard (England).

[Ryan69]

Is it actually stated anywhere that McGinn says he will only goto Smelltic?

As I cannot see anything anywhere that actually suggests that is true.

[h185forever]

McGinn to sign new contract at Hibs if no move materialises this summer.

He’s decided to stay with Vodafone ...........:cb

[Jim44]

McGinn to sign new contract at Hibs if no move materialises this summer.


He’s decided to stay with Vodafone ...........:cb

O2 be true.

[h185forever]

Could’ve got him a giffgaff sim, free to move when he wants and no transfer fee

[Hibbyradge]

It's not a rule, its a stipulation that the loaning club include in the terms of the loan at their discretion.

It's an absolute rule.

[sleeping giant]

Has it been confirmed anywhere that SJM has actually told Hibs this


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No it has not.
Utter speculation that grows arms and legs everytime it's mentioned.

It's nearly as bad as folk stating he will be cup tied :-)

[thebausburst]

[QUOTE=Speedway;5467787]McGinn to sign new contract at Hibs if no move materialises this summer.[/QUOTE

Zero chance of this much as we’d all love it.

[Tug Wilson]

I understand how it is frustrating to see Celtic trying to get McGinn for a cut price. If McGinn has set his sights on a move to Celtic then even if an English club were to offer significantly more for him we could not force him to go there.

Yes it leaves a bitter taste, but consider this scenario.

Hibs bid £0.5m for Jamie McLaren. His club get an offer from another club of £1m. Obviously Damstadt want to accept the higher offer but Jamie states that he wants to go to Hibs or no deal. Will any of us by moaning if this gets him back to Edinburgh? Doubt it.

It looks like eventually a deal will be struck. We will not get what we want and Celtic will not get exactly what they want. However, if we use the funds received wisely then we can increase the overall strength of the squad hopefully including getting Jamie McLaren back, Scott Allan on a permanent deal and maybe a decent loan player as well.

[patlowe]

They play similar positions sure. But I wouldn't say they're that similar in actual style. Mallan looked far better against Runavik when he dropped deeper IMO. Allan is far more of a luxury/flair player than Mallan is.

Admittedly only based one one viewing but I would suggest that Mallan seems to share Allan's lack of ability in terms of the defensive/tackling side of the game. Not a criticism, it just means if we play them both we need to find a system that accommodates their style.

[jacomo]

Sauce? :greengrin


Everything on this thread has been 100% confirmed as true. By everybody. FACT.

[The_Horde]

Admittedly only based one one viewing but I would suggest that Mallan seems to share Allan's lack of ability in terms of the defensive/tackling side of the game. Not a criticism, it just means if we play them both we need to find a system that accommodates their style.

I remember him getting stuck in at saints. Maybe he knew hebdidnt have to against the Faroe Mon.

[Kato]

I understand how it is frustrating to see Celtic trying to get McGinn for a cut price. If McGinn has set his sights on a move to Celtic then even if an English club were to offer significantly more for him we could not force him to go there.

Yes it leaves a bitter taste, but consider this scenario.

Hibs bid £0.5m for Jamie McLaren. His club get an offer from another club of £1m. Obviously Damstadt want to accept the higher offer but Jamie states that he wants to go to Hibs or no deal. Will any of us by moaning if this gets him back to Edinburgh? Doubt it.

It looks like eventually a deal will be struck. We will not get what we want and Celtic will not get exactly what they want. However, if we use the funds received wisely then we can increase the overall strength of the squad hopefully including getting Jamie McLaren back, Scott Allan on a permanent deal and maybe a decent loan player as well.
The fact we have Kamberi means were up so far in this window.

[Fergos]

Is it actually stated anywhere that McGinn says he will only goto Smelltic?

As I cannot see anything anywhere that actually suggests that is true.

Me also mate. I've seen posts say McGinn has been quoted but not seen it anywhere.

GGTTH

[Jim44]

Me also mate. I've seen posts say McGinn has been quoted but not seen it anywhere.

GGTTH

I’ve also seen posts saying he is quoted saying his preference is to go to England. :dunno:

[Jim44]

Isn’t it funny how the muppets on Kerrydale Street have gone from detached indifference a couple of weeks ago to almost desperation to get him in ‘to give them a massive boost in the Champions League qualifiers.’ Not bad for a guy ‘who will only be a fringe squad player’.

[NthCarolinaHibs]

My mate at Edinburgh airport,part of the team charter,saying SJM, is with the rest of the players there...

[Souter96Mac]

My mate at Edinburgh airport,part of the team charter,saying SJM, is with the rest of the players there...

We selling the whole team to Celtic?

[Jim44]

My mate at Edinburgh airport,part of the team charter,saying SJM, is with the rest of the players there...

He’s maybe waving them off.:greengrin

[bingo70]

My mate at Edinburgh airport,part of the team charter,saying SJM, is with the rest of the players there...

Is Simon Murray there do you know?

[Billy Whizz]

Is Simon Murray there do you know?

He hasn’t travelled, neither has Hanlon

[BullsCloseHibs]

My mate at Edinburgh airport,part of the team charter,saying SJM, is with the rest of the players there...

Who are Hibs flying with?

[The_Horde]

He hasn’t travelled, neither has Hanlon

Injured?

[Souter96Mac]

Who are Hibs flying with?

Air Lenny

[Jim44]

I keep reading references to Simon Murray. Did I just imagine reading that he had signed for a South African team and had left the club?

[B.H.F.C]

He hasn’t travelled, neither has Hanlon

Hope Hanlon isn’t injured. I could be wrong but I think he’s played the most minutes (maybe even all the minutes) over pre season so hopefully just left behind by choice.

Murray not travelling suggests he’s gone. Surely looking at a striker coming in before the next round.

[007]

Air Lenny

:thumbsup::top marks

[jonny]

I keep reading references to Simon Murray. Did I just imagine reading that he had signed for a South African team and had left the club?

It's on a thread here that Hibs have accepted an offer for him from a South African side and he's negotiating with them. Also noted there's interest from 2 other unnamed SPFL teams so it looks like he's probably going but nothing confirmed

[bingo70]

I keep reading references to Simon Murray. Did I just imagine reading that he had signed for a South African team and had left the club?

It’s never been confirmed.

The story in the papers was that we had accepted an offer for him. There’s been no confirmation from the club about that though and there’s been no confirmation that he has agreed terms with them.

[eastmainsmsh]

Anyone heard 2.5 million Scott Allan loan plus celtic paying st mirren 33% ?

[AlbertK86]

Link to sun article saying Murray £150k to south African team


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[AlbertK86]

Link to sun article saying Murray £150k to south African team


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Sorry should’ve said on Simon Murray thread


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[Greenworld]

Anyone heard 2.5 million Scott Allan loan plus celtic paying st mirren 33% ?Nope it's all gone dead zip nothing happening ..

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[Speedway]

Nope it's all gone dead zip nothing happening ..

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That’s right. Scott said he wants to join the yams.

[Greenworld]

That’s right. Scott said he wants to join the yams.He is on the plane to faroes though so no further bids

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[Eyrie]

Anyone heard 2.5 million Scott Allan loan plus celtic paying st mirren 33% ?

Given how ridiculous Celtc's previous offers were I can't see them paying St Mirren on top of our fee. That would value McGinn at £3.75m (£2.5m Hibs, £1.25m St Mirren).

Hopefully the lesser greens will make a serious offer of £2.5m plus Allan soon.

[The Leith Dutch]

Hope Hanlon isn’t injured. I could be wrong but I think he’s played the most minutes (maybe even all the minutes) over pre season so hopefully just left behind by choice.

Murray not travelling suggests he’s gone. Surely looking at a striker coming in before the next round.

Striker will be coming in and while I'm sure we'd like them before the next round I doubt we'll rush into anything just to make that as a deadline.
Hopefully the deal we want is near enough done that it'll happen but I wouldn't bet the house on it.

I think between Kamberi and Shaw plus either a formation change or moving Boyle NL may think we can cope with that tie without the extra striker.

[The Leith Dutch]

Anyone heard 2.5 million Scott Allan loan plus celtic paying st mirren 33% ?

If anyone has heard it I suspect it's someone speculating without knowledge.
Might be the case and might not and we'll never know as it'll be undisclosed fee and unidentifiable amidst the accounts.

On a personal level I don't really care either - the actual amounts both to us and St Mirren don't concern me.

The changes in playing personnel do and frankly if we wound up with Allan, a decent loan and some money to do other business that we get done I'm good and don't need to see the accounts. Each to their own mind and only my opinion ;)

[Paisley Hibby]

Given how ridiculous Celtc's previous offers were I can't see them paying St Mirren on top of our fee. That would value McGinn at £3.75m (£2.5m Hibs, £1.25m St Mirren).

Hopefully the lesser greens will make a serious offer of £2.5m plus Allan soon.
I'd rather we got £4m from the likes of Derby. This pathetic acceptance that he'll end up at Celtic does my head in.

[B.H.F.C]

Striker will be coming in and while I'm sure we'd like them before the next round I doubt we'll rush into anything just to make that as a deadline.
Hopefully the deal we want is near enough done that it'll happen but I wouldn't bet the house on it.

I think between Kamberi and Shaw plus either a formation change or moving Boyle NL may think we can cope with that tie without the extra striker.

I don’t think it would be a case of rushing in to anything given we’ll be at the end of July going in to that tie. I’d expect that they’ve been working on something for quite some time. One deal often triggers another and, given Lennon’s ambitions to reach the group stage, I’d be surprised if he wanted to go in to that tie with only Kamberi and Shaw as recognised strikers.

[The Leith Dutch]

I'd rather we got £4m from the likes of Derby. This pathetic acceptance that he'll end up at Celtic does my head in.

All other things being equal £4m would be a great deal and I'd much rather not be playing against McGinn.
That said my only interest is the best overall for Hibs and if that's the Celtic deal then we take it - no "pathetic acceptance" just the best deal for Hibs.
If there is in fact £4m on the table from Derby we'll either be taking it or bargaining Celtic up.

Long as there's a cracking Hibs team on the park next season I really couldn't give a ****.

[Speedway]

All other things being equal £4m would be a great deal and I'd much rather not be playing against McGinn.
That said my only interest is the best overall for Hibs and if that's the Celtic deal then we take it - no "pathetic acceptance" just the best deal for Hibs.
If there is in fact £4m on the table from Derby we'll either be taking it or bargaining Celtic up.

Long as there's a cracking Hibs team on the park next season I really couldn't give a ****.

And that last sentence beats everything else on the entire thread.

[Criswell]

I would be very surprised if he ended up signing for a club other than Celtic. I only hope it won't be reported as an "Undisclosed Sum" which would probably mean not a great deal for us.

[Michael]

I would be very surprised if he ended up signing for a club other than Celtic. I only hope it won't be reported as an "Undisclosed Sum" which would probably mean not a great deal for us.

It will be undisclosed. We don't want others to know what we've got.

[DH1875]

I'd rather we got £4m from the likes of Derby. This pathetic acceptance that he'll end up at Celtic does my head in.

Think we'd all rather the £4m but it ultimately comes down to the player and if he'd rather sign for Celtic than the likes of Derby then there ain't much we can do.

[The Leith Dutch]

I would be very surprised if he ended up signing for a club other than Celtic. I only hope it won't be reported as an "Undisclosed Sum" which would probably mean not a great deal for us.

Not sure this necessarily follows (which is not to say it doesn't).
Plenty reasons to keep this information quiet and the club seem to (rightly) be keen to keep business out of the papers.

A good example would be that we don't want to find our targets suddenly jump in price when the selling club hears we have X million recently deposited.

I really hope it is an undisclosed sum because I suspect if it isn't those of us with any sanity are going to want to steer clear of the bedlam that will take hold here.

Given the level of obsession on here over the transfer fee I'm seriously contemplating the possibility of running a Fantasy Financial Football competition in which players cease to give a thrupenny **** about whether they have good football players and focus solely on having money in the bank.

[J-C]

Striker will be coming in and while I'm sure we'd like them before the next round I doubt we'll rush into anything just to make that as a deadline.
Hopefully the deal we want is near enough done that it'll happen but I wouldn't bet the house on it.

I think between Kamberi and Shaw plus either a formation change or moving Boyle NL may think we can cope with that tie without the extra striker.


If Hanlon has a wee niggle and isn't on the plane, we may go 4-2-3-1. Push Boyle up the park with Gray behind, McGinn and Slivka in the middle with Mallan behind the striker and Swanson out left cutting in, still a very attacking team.

[mjhibby]

Not sure this necessarily follows (which is not to say it doesn't).
Plenty reasons to keep this information quiet and the club seem to (rightly) be keen to keep business out of the papers.

A good example would be that we don't want to find our targets suddenly jump in price when the selling club hears we have X million recently deposited.

I really hope it is an undisclosed sum because I suspect if it isn't those of us with any sanity are going to want to steer clear of the bedlam that will take hold here.

Given the level of obsession on here over the transfer fee I'm seriously contemplating the possibility of running a Fantasy Financial Football competition in which players cease to give a thrupenny **** about whether they have good football players and focus solely on having money in the bank.

I remember Alex Miller saying teams always said they paid less for a player when they signed players and got paid more than they actually did when selling players. If it is undisclosed I'm sure guys will find out roughly how much it was and we will find out in the accounts at the end of the season.

[ian cruise]

It will be undisclosed. We don't want others to know what we've got.

Exactly, just look at how many folk on here think Celtic should pay more because they sold Armstrong for 7 million, if we got 4 + for McGinn other clubs and their fans would be the same

[The Leith Dutch]

Exactly, just look at how many folk on here think Celtic should pay more because they sold Armstrong for 7 million, if we got 4 + for McGinn other clubs and their fans would be the same


Perfect example mate - spot on.

I'll be honest here - I think discussions about transfer fees should fall in the same category as those on politics and should be moved to somewhere else.

It just really quickly moves away from the stuff directly relevant to football and into a place where everyone is way too quick to take offence at perceived slights between clubs. It's business - it's Dempster's job to try to get more than McGinn is worth and it's Lawwell's job to try to pay less and neither of them is reflecting on the events of 1888.

[hibbysam]

Given how ridiculous Celtc's previous offers were I can't see them paying St Mirren on top of our fee. That would value McGinn at £3.75m (£2.5m Hibs, £1.25m St Mirren).

Hopefully the lesser greens will make a serious offer of £2.5m plus Allan soon.

Surely if we get £2.5m, St Mirren only get around £800k not £1.25m which would be 50%.

[h185forever]

Surely if we get £2.5m, St Mirren only get around £800k not £1.25m which would be 50%.


That’s the net figure, the suggestion is we’d get £3.75m

[Jim44]

We should negotiate a fee for McGinn and complete the deal. Then we should negotiate a fee for Allan and complete the deal. That way St Mirren get their fair share of the McGinn money and not a share of McGinn+ Allan which is grey and debatable.

[scoopyboy]

If Hanlon has a wee niggle and isn't on the plane, we may go 4-2-3-1. Push Boyle up the park with Gray behind, McGinn and Slivka in the middle with Mallan behind the striker and Swanson out left cutting in, still a very attacking team.

Paul Hanlon has been ill and missed a few days training. He went along yesterday but obviously deemed best for him not to travel. No injury thankfully.

I'm intrigued to see if we play SJM, if we do then to me it means there will be no quick resolution to his probable transfer to Celtic.

It may just be a bluff for Celtic to up their bid today. :greengrin

[Ken]

We should negotiate a fee for McGinn and complete the deal. Then we should negotiate a fee for Allan and complete the deal. That way St Mirren get their fair share of the McGinn money and not a share of McGinn+ Allan which is grey and debatable.

Agree with this although I’d like the Allan deal to go through first


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[Jim44]

Agree with this although I’d like the Allan deal to go through first


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I agree with you but, really, each deal should stand on it’s own merits and not dependent on the other.

[SMAXXA]

We should negotiate a fee for McGinn and complete the deal. Then we should negotiate a fee for Allan and complete the deal. That way St Mirren get their fair share of the McGinn money and not a share of McGinn+ Allan which is grey and debatable.

Disagree completely we do what’s best for Hibs not St Mirren or in the interests of being ‘fair’. It’s a business remember and I don’t think it would sit well with most fans if we lost out on a potential player because we didnt have the money but would have had we negotiated a cash plus player deal.

We do what’s right for Hibs.

[Hibbyradge]

Disagree completely we do what’s best for Hibs not St Mirren or in the interests of being ‘fair’. It’s a business remember and I don’t think it would sit well with most fans if we lost out on a potential player because we didnt have the money but would have had we negotiated a cash plus player deal.

We do what’s right for Hibs.

Screwing up our reputation as a club who can be trusted in business would not be right for Hibs. Future deals like the one we did with St Mirren for McGinn would dry up.

We'd end up without the ability to buy players at low cost up front and a sell on, and so end up with inferior quality.

Also, clubs would think it fair enough to do the same to us.

And we'd be doing all that harm to ourselves for a few thousand pounds.

In any case, doing separate deals is in Hibs interest. St Mirren, or a tribunal, could value Allen at more than we pay for him so we'd lose out financially.

[Joe6-2]

Disagree completely we do what’s best for Hibs not St Mirren or in the interests of being ‘fair’. It’s a business remember and I don’t think it would sit well with most fans if we lost out on a potential player because we didnt have the money but would have had we negotiated a cash plus player deal.

We do what’s right for Hibs.

I didn’t see it this way at all, as you say, I think Hibs are just trying to get any deals done for the benefit of Hibs, I don’t think for a minute they are trying to do St. Mirren our of anything

[Hibernian Verse]

Fake news in the Times this morning.

"Hibernian are ready to ensure John McGinn would be ineligible for Celtic's Champions League bid, should he join the Scottish Champions, after they included the in-demand midfielder in their party to face Runavik tomorrow night".

Think they've been reading Hibs.net.

[tonyrougier123]

Fake news in the Times this morning.

"Hibernian are ready to ensure John McGinn would be ineligible for Celtic's Champions League bid, should he join the Scottish Champions, after they included the in-demand midfielder in their party to face Runavik tomorrow night".

Think they've been reading Hibs.net.so basically we have to leave him out the sqaud till Celtic can be ersed offering the right money for mcginn!! amazes me what passes as printable news these days.ive said it b4 don't sell him keep him for his remaining year.

[Hibernian Verse]

so basically we have to leave him out the sqaud till Celtic can be ersed offering the right money for mcginn!! amazes me what passes as printable news these days.ive said it b4 don't sell him keep him for his remaining year.No, he won't be cup tied if he plays anyway.

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[scoopyboy]

No, he won't be cup tied if he plays anyway.

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I thought if he played in Europa Cup qualifiers he couldn't play in Champion League qualifiers.

He could play Europa League qualifiers for Hibs but would have to wait for Champions League proper before he could play for Celtic.

[Hibernian Verse]

I thought if he played in Europa Cup qualifiers he couldn't play in Champion League qualifiers.

He could play Europa League qualifiers for Hibs but would have to wait for Champions League proper before he could play for Celtic.Scoops, my brain is fried on the cup tied front. Perhaps someone can enlighten us all on the exact rules?

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[tonyrougier123]

Scoops, my brain is fried on the cup tied front. Perhaps someone can enlighten us all on the exact rules?

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scoopyboy is right he can only play one tournies qualifiers, but would be able to play cl group stages if he played in Europa qaulifiers for us.

[Hibernian Verse]

scoopyboy is right he can only play one tournies qualifiers, but would be able to play cl group stages if he played in Europa qaulifiers for us.Thanks guys.

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[tonyrougier123]

[QUOTE=Billy Whizz;5468340]DR online edition saying this too
What is he plays tomorrow night, and Celtic get knocked out the CL qualification, and end up in europa League play offs, does the same rule apply[/QUOTE uefa rules say he could play for Celtic in Europa league groups if he played qualifiers for hibs

[J-C]

Disagree completely we do what’s best for Hibs not St Mirren or in the interests of being ‘fair’. It’s a business remember and I don’t think it would sit well with most fans if we lost out on a potential player because we didnt have the money but would have had we negotiated a cash plus player deal.

We do what’s right for Hibs.


Having a look at the deals it works out about the same cash wise. Allan's price will be added to the deal so St Mirren get their full %.

Say £2.5m + Allan (£500K) = £3m, so St Mirren will get around £1m, we get £1.5m

Separate deals, £2.5 = £800K to St M and strike a deal for Allan around £250k, again we get around £1.5m

[Lago]

Frankly I am sick of this whole McGinn saga & can't believe I am alone in feeling this way.:confused::confused:

[Hermit Crab]

Frankly I am sick of this whole McGinn saga & can't believe I am alone in feeling this way.:confused::confused:


Same here, fed with the will he won't crap. I want it resolved sooner rather than later.

[WeeRussell]

Same here, fed with the will he won't crap. I want it resolved sooner rather than later.

Me tae. But not at the expense of getting the best deal for Hibs. If that takes a bit of time, so be it.

[MrSmith]

Same here, fed with the will he won't crap. I want it resolved sooner rather than later.


Frankly I am sick of this whole McGinn saga & can't believe I am alone in feeling this way.:confused::confused:

Yep same here, needs to be done already!

[ian cruise]

Same here, fed with the will he won't crap. I want it resolved sooner rather than later.

I'm happy we've got players that are worth clubs bidding for, and are in a position we can turn those offers down if we deem them not to be good enough. I'd much rather that than having to accept the first offer on the table or only ever having rubbish players who we have to pay off or differ to watch on field.

The more we attract quality players the more this will become the norm so I'd get used to it.

[hhibs]

I'm happy we've got players that are worth clubs bidding for, and are in a position we can turn those offers down if we deem them not to be good enough. I'd much rather that than having to accept the first offer on the table or only ever having rubbish players who we have to pay off or differ to watch on field.

The more we attract quality players the more this will become the norm so I'd get used to it.


As it should .:top marks

[Greenworld]

Having a look at the deals it works out about the same cash wise. Allan's price will be added to the deal so St Mirren get their full %.

Say £2.5m + Allan (£500K) = £3m, so St Mirren will get around £1m, we get £1.5m

Separate deals, £2.5 = £800K to St M and strike a deal for Allan around £250k, again we get around £1.5mI'm not buying into this if hibs want to make allan a separate deal that has nothing to do with St mirren ...the did the same thing with mcgeoch not so long ago

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[J-C]

I'm not buying into this if hibs want to make allan a separate deal that has nothing to do with St mirren ...the did the same thing with mcgeoch not so long ago

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Which is the point in my post, it'll make little difference to the deal which way it's done, we'll get around the same and St Mirren will not lose out.

[Lago]

I'm happy we've got players that are worth clubs bidding for, and are in a position we can turn those offers down if we deem them not to be good enough. I'd much rather that than having to accept the first offer on the table or only ever having rubbish players who we have to pay off or differ to watch on field.

The more we attract quality players the more this will become the norm so I'd get used to it.
No real argument with your thoughts, however Hibs & everyone in the football world knew he was off this summer. They must or should have had a realistic valuation in place depending on various senarios,if an English club bids he is worth x, if not then he can only go one place Celtic so valuation realistcally will be x- OK don't show your hand up front but equally, this make us an offer, oh thats no good make us another offer, oh thats no good either make us another offer, that frankly is for the birds.
As I said fed up with the whole thing & I ll bet many of the other players at the club are to.

[Captain Trips]

As much as I want St Mirren dealt with fairly if no further options where built into contract such as what if a player was part of deal.

So do players with sell on clause have to be sold as one deal? Even if it is not in our best interests?

St Mirren get what is left after we have done best for us surely?

[Greenworld]

Which is the point in my post, it'll make little difference to the deal which way it's done, we'll get around the same and St Mirren will not lose out.I would accept 2 million and a credit note for 1 million and allan freed to sign for nothing but then again i worked in a different buying market ..[emoji102][emoji102]

I get what your saying JC

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[ancient hibee]

It would be interesting to hear from those who assured us that the deal with Celtic was made some time ago.

[Jim44]

Disagree completely we do what’s best for Hibs not St Mirren or in the interests of being ‘fair’. It’s a business remember and I don’t think it would sit well with most fans if we lost out on a potential player because we didnt have the money but would have had we negotiated a cash plus player deal.

We do what’s right for Hibs.


Screwing up our reputation as a club who can be trusted in business would not be right for Hibs. Future deals like the one we did with St Mirren for McGinn would dry up.

We'd end up without the ability to buy players at low cost up front and a sell on, and so end up with inferior quality.

Also, clubs would think it fair enough to do the same to us.

And we'd be doing all that harm to ourselves for a few thousand pounds.

In any case, doing separate deals is in Hibs interest. St Mirren, or a tribunal, could value Allen at more than we pay for him so we'd lose out financially.

Of course separate deals are better for Hibs. Why should St Mirren get a share of cash from the McGinn sale and also a share of the value of Allan if he were thrown in as part of the deal. As Hibbyradge says, if Allan was independently valued at a higher rate than we expected, St Mirren would be getting more than they are entitled to. As it stands, we want a fair price for McGinn and Celtic will get a fair price for Allan, based on his stock value within the Celtic set up, which in all honesty, cannot be too high, given his contribution to them in the past few weeks. He is a player they don’t want and they can’t start putting silly inflated valuations on a fringe squad player.

[Hibs90]

This thread is just going round in circles. Wish something could get sorted one way or another and if that means McGinn stays then fab.

[WhileTheChief..]

It would be interesting to hear from those who assured us that the deal with Celtic was made some time ago.

Why? So you can call them out for being wrong?

Nice.

We’ve all known for years that he’d go to Celtic.

I can’t get my head around why anyone is concerned about the time it’s taking. Just pretend it’s done already and move on!

[RossScott1991]

Wish there was any inside info on what is happening. Do we even have any idea what Hibs are holding out for or is it all just pure speculation on papers part?

Not ideal preparations for Europe any of this. Hope we can get 2/3 players in before greek games

[Billy Whizz]

Wonder if Celtic will play Allan tonight, and Cup tie him😎

[Lago]

This thread is just going round in circles. Wish something could get sorted one way or another and if that means McGinn stays then fab.
Needs brought to a conclusion :aok:

[Jim44]

Wonder if Celtic will play Allan tonight, and Cup tie him😎

........
don’t start a ‘cup-tied’ debate again. :tsk tsk:

[Billy Whizz]

........
don’t start a ‘cup-tied’ debate again. :tsk tsk:

Think it’s been clarified today though. If Allan plays for Celtic tonight, can’t play for Hibs until we’re in the Europa League group stages

Still think it’s a valid thing to ask though Jim

[Jim44]

This thread is just going round in circles. Wish something could get sorted one way or another and if that means McGinn stays then fab.

Celtic are boxing clever here. They are pinning their strategy of getting McGinn on the cheap by holding out for the close of the English transfer window. I really hope they fall on their ***** by an English club coming in late or by us having the balls to stick to our guns.

[danhibees1875]

Think it’s been clarified today though. If Allan plays for Celtic tonight, can’t play for Hibs until we’re in the Europa League group stages

Still think it’s a valid thing to ask though Jim

If I'm being honest, it was only earlier today (on another thread) I realised that was the case.

I think I was too caught up with all the jokes going on that I didn't realise I didn't know the answer. I'm sure at one point they were just considered as separate competitions that you couldn't be cup tied for. If SA plays any part tonight then it would be a blow to not be able to use him in our qualifiers.

[seanshow]

Celtic are boxing clever here. They are pinning their strategy of getting McGinn on the cheap by holding out for the close of the English transfer window. I really hope they fall on their ***** by an English club coming in late or by us having the balls to stick to our guns.


Well said :aok: Hibs have a fantastic player for another year and f*** any other club trying to get him on the cheap.

There is still over 3 weeks until the english transfer window closes, well done RP&LD unless celtic come up with a proper offer/deal I would be happy for the club to wait until the 9th of August and see what developes.

[Jim44]

If I'm being honest, it was only earlier today (on another thread) I realised that was the case.

I think I was too caught up with all the jokes going on that I didn't realise I didn't know the answer. I'm sure at one point they were just considered as separate competitions that you couldn't be cup tied for. If SA plays any part tonight then it would be a blow to not be able to use him in our qualifiers.

I think we are morally correct to play McGinn as we should play our strongest team. Celtic fielding Allan just to be bloody-minded is another matter. As it is, I think there is every possibility that he might come on as a sub late on. Nowt we can do or say about it, so what will be will be.

[Juniper Greens]

I think we are morally correct to play McGinn as we should play our strongest team. Celtic fielding Allan just to be bloody-minded is another matter. As it is, I think there is every possibility that he might come on as a sub late on. Nowt we can do or say about it, so what will be will be.

Thought it only mattered if Celtic drop into the EL?

[Wakeyhibee]

we know what we have in SJM, and if he can help us get to the group stages. That's £3.5m in prize money before another ball is kicked.

I'm not saying we'll do it but I think he is a better player than Allen + cash at this stage. I'd rather Hibs risk a lesser offer later or even him seeing his contract out. Let both teams cup tie their players and see what we can do.

[Keith_M]

If Allan does arrive in a part swap, could we please then sign a player called Stalin.


I'd love a midfield trio called Allan, Mallen and Stalin.

[houstonhibbee]

Celtic are boxing clever here. They are pinning their strategy of getting McGinn on the cheap by holding out for the close of the English transfer window. I really hope they fall on their ***** by an English club coming in late or by us having the balls to stick to our guns.

Of course we'll stick to our guns. There is no reason to capitulate? Why would anyone think we would?

[Jim44]

Thought it only mattered if Celtic drop into the EL?

UEFA announced on Tuesday it had decided to remove the "cup-tied" rule from all European competitions.

This means that, for the first time, a player could play for two different clubs in the group stage and the knockout rounds of the Champions League, or the Europa League, in the same season. Players could switch between competitions in the past, but not stay in the same one with a second team.

UEFA didn't allow any player to play for a second club whatsoever until 2005-06, when it permitted players to move between competitions only in January. In 2012-13 it then removed any restrictions from players who had played in the qualifying rounds from being registered for another club in the group stage.

Now it has taken the final step and removed the "cup tied" rule completely.

[Spudster]

If Allan does arrive in a part swap, could we please then sign a player called Stalin.


I'd love a midfield trio called Allan, Mallen and Stalin.
Dunno it didn’t work out so well when we played that game with Hanlon and O’Hanlon in 2012!

[danhibees1875]

UEFA announced on Tuesday it had decided to remove the "cup-tied" rule from all European competitions.

This means that, for the first time, a player could play for two different clubs in the group stage and the knockout rounds of the Champions League, or the Europa League, in the same season. Players could switch between competitions in the past, but not stay in the same one with a second team.

UEFA didn't allow any player to play for a second club whatsoever until 2005-06, when it permitted players to move between competitions only in January. In 2012-13 it then removed any restrictions from players who had played in the qualifying rounds from being registered for another club in the group stage.

Now it has taken the final step and removed the "cup tied" rule completely.

But if Allan/SJM play a qualifier, then they couldn't play in the qualifiers for another team in the other competition... I thought that's what was agreed, but that doesn't seem in line with what you've just posted as your last sentence.

[Billy Whizz]

But if Allan/SJM play a qualifier, then they couldn't play in the qualifiers for another team in the other competition... I thought that's what was agreed, but that doesn't seem in line with what you've just posted as your last sentence.

Think Jim is referring to the Group stages of both

[danhibees1875]

Think Jim is referring to the Group stages of both

:aok:

So the "cup-tie" only counts for each individual stage (Qualifying, Groups, or Knock-out) of the competition for 2 different clubs, and it bridges both competitions.

Got it, for now. :greengrin

[Mcpakeisgod]

Wish there was any inside info on what is happening. Do we even have any idea what Hibs are holding out for or is it all just pure speculation on papers part?

Not ideal preparations for Europe any of this. Hope we can get 2/3 players in before greek games

Less time on this. More time making Lloyd’s a better bank

[Jim44]

But if Allan/SJM play a qualifier, then they couldn't play in the qualifiers for another team in the other competition... I thought that's what was agreed, but that doesn't seem in line with what you've just posted as your last sentence.

The information I gave here isn’t my words. I got it from another source. It would appear that ‘Cup tied’ has been removed completely. No greyness.

[MyJo]

I reckon the deal will be £2.5m and the paying up of Scott Allan's final year of his contract.

Allan then signs for us as a free agent with the financial impact of our lower wages offset by the Celtic pay-off and nothing additional due to St Mirren on his transfer.

[J-C]

Thought it only mattered if Celtic drop into the EL?


Think it's been established you're only cuptied for the qualification stages of each competition but you can then play in the group stages afterwards.

I've just looked at the rules and it's still quite complicated, not really sure about playing in qualifiers etc, the new rule was brought in for the January window so new signings could play for their new clubs in these competitions, Players could always play in both competitions for different clubs, I think this new rule is more for the champions league rather than Europa league.

[Aldo]

I reckon the deal will be £2.5m and the paying up of Scott Allan's final year of his contract.

Allan then signs for us as a free agent with the financial impact of our lower wages offset by the Celtic pay-off and nothing additional due to St Mirren on his transfer.

Don’t think your far off the money here MyJo!


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[Michael]

I reckon the deal will be £2.5m and the paying up of Scott Allan's final year of his contract.

Allan then signs for us as a free agent with the financial impact of our lower wages offset by the Celtic pay-off and nothing additional due to St Mirren on his transfer.

I think Allan will have nothing to do with the deal. We're not going to damage our reputation by not giving St. Mirren what they're due.

[Stevie Reid]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/44877238

[Gmack7]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/44877238

He's right ofcourse. We need to be prepated for the Greek game and if Mcginn is still with us he's got to be teady to play

[Stevie Reid]

He's right ofcourse. We need to be prepated for the Greek game and if Mcginn is still with us he's got to be teady to play

Definitely. Unless a deal is imminent, which it clearly isn't, he plays and gets up to fitness for next week's game.

[Jim44]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/44877238

From the article:

McGinn missed the 6-1 first-leg win with a thigh strain and playing on Thursday would make him ineligible for Celtic's Champions League qualifiers.

:confused: The lack of definitive understanding of this rule is quite ridiculous. I read earlier and quoted on here that the cup tied rule had been removed completely but still folk seem to be interpreting it in various forms. Anyway, the important thing for us is that McGinn is fit and will play, unless of course he tweaks a muscle in the pre match warm up.

Ps where I read it. : http://www.espn.co.uk/football/uefa-champions-league/story/3432917/champions-league-cup-tied-rule-abolished-what-does-it-mean

[Golden Bear]

It will be just our luck if John plays tomorrow night and receives a serious injury . Depending on where the transfer negotiations are right now, I'd rather not risk it.

[Jim44]

It will be just our luck if John plays tomorrow night and receives a serious injury . Depending on where the transfer negotiations are right now, I'd rather not risk it.

Depends on which school of thought you are in GB. A lot of us wouldn’t be upset at the prospect of McGinn having to spend another season at ER. January pre-contracts will be the order of the day.:greengrin

[Golden Bear]

Depends on which school of thought you are in GB. A lot of us wouldn’t be upset at the prospect of McGinn having to spend another season at ER. January pre-contracts will be the order of the day.:greengrin

Unfortunately it looks increasingly like he's going, going, but not quite gone!

[Cod Boy]

Shouldn’t play him tomorrow 6.1 ahead and if he is nearing the exit door the players remaining should get the game time to improve there fitness for the start of the season.

[MrSmith]

Shouldn’t play him tomorrow 6.1 ahead and if he is nearing the exit door the players remaining should get the game time to improve there fitness for the start of the season.

Maybe he wants to play? I think he is a proper professional and that comes first.

[GreenPJ]

Its Celtic who should be more worried about him getting injured - if they don't want him to get injured under Hibs watch then they need to cough up the fee that will make the board say yes.

[Cod Boy]

Wonder if Celtic will play Allan tonight, and Cup tie him😎

He is a substitute

[Billy Whizz]

He is a substitute

As he was last week

[Col_0762]

The information I gave here isn’t my words. I got it from another source. It would appear that ‘Cup tied’ has been removed completely. No greyness.

If McGinn plays for us in the qualifiers, he can’t play in the Champions League Qualifiers for Celtic. If they drop out of the CL and into the Europa League Group Stages, he can play. If we were to both play in the EL Groups and they signed him in January, they can add an additional 2 or 3 players I think it is to their registered squad.

[ancient hibee]

Why? So you can call them out for being wrong?

Nice.

We’ve all known for years that he’d go to Celtic.

I can’t get my head around why anyone is concerned about the time it’s taking. Just pretend it’s done already and move on!
Were you one of them.I’m not as childish as you seem to think just interested.Did I say I was worried about how long it’s taking?

[Jamesie]

Shouldn’t play him tomorrow 6.1 ahead and if he is nearing the exit door the players remaining should get the game time to improve there fitness for the start of the season.

I tend to agree. We saw in the first leg that they have at least one bampot who wold like to make a name for himself. I wouldn't like to see McGinn on the receiving end of something similar.

[Jim44]

If McGinn plays for us in the qualifiers, he can’t play in the Champions League Qualifiers for Celtic. If they drop out of the CL and into the Europa League Group Stages, he can play. If we were to both play in the EL Groups and they signed him in January, they can add an additional 2 or 3 players I think it is to their registered squad.

I’m not disputing what you say but does it make this nonsense:

http://www.espn.co.uk/football/uefa-champions-league/story/3432917/champions-league-cup-tied-rule-abolished-what-does-it-mean

[MSK]

I tend to agree. We saw in the first leg that they have at least one bampot who wold like to make a name for himself. I wouldn't like to see McGinn on the receiving end of something similar.Ah dunno, if McGinn swings that big muckle erse he could cause damage to opposition players 🤭

[WhileTheChief..]

Were you one of them.I’m not as childish as you seem to think just interested.Did I say I was worried about how long it’s taking?

Nope and nope to answer your questions!

Just wondered why you felt the need to pull folk up on it. No biggy.

[Billy Whizz]

I’m not disputing what you say but does it make this nonsense:

http://www.espn.co.uk/football/uefa-champions-league/story/3432917/champions-league-cup-tied-rule-abolished-what-does-it-mean

Jim, in the second paragraph, it does say Group stage and knock out rounds, no reference to the qualifying rounds

[Famous Fiver]

I smell tit for tat.

If Scott Allan gets on the pitch tonight he becomes ineligible for any further qualifying rounds we might be involved in.

Similar situation as John McGinn, who will be ineligible for further qualifying rounds if he plays for us.

Interesting situation. If Scotty does play tonight J McG should be the first name on our teamsheet.

If he doesn't play tonight is there some backroom deal in progress?

[Col_0762]

I’m not disputing what you say but does it make this nonsense:

http://www.espn.co.uk/football/uefa-champions-league/story/3432917/champions-league-cup-tied-rule-abolished-what-does-it-mean

The only additional changes are around what I mention above to avoid a Coutinhio situation. No changes to a player playing in the first, second, third and playoff rounds not being eligible for other qualifying rounds. They can play in the group stages though if signed and registered on time.

It’s on UEFA website.

Full change:
• Regarding the registration of players after a group stage of the UEFA Champions League and UEFA Europa League, a club may register three new eligible players without any restrictions. This is in line with the existing regulatory situation in the different domestic leagues, which does not impose restrictions on the eligibility for competitions of players registered for a new club during the winter transfer window.

[AlbertK86]

Allan and Mikey Johnston on bench tonight but no Lewis Morgan


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[Rumble de Thump]

Why? So you can call them out for being wrong?

Nice.

We’ve all known for years that he’d go to Celtic.

I can’t get my head around why anyone is concerned about the time it’s taking. Just pretend it’s done already and move on!

A lot of people have been pretending they know. John doesn't know so obviously nobody else does. He and Hibs will get the best deal for themselves.

[Heisenberg]

Allan and Mikey Johnston on bench tonight but no Lewis Morgan


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Think Morgan is injured, which might explain why Rodgers isn’t wanting to loan Johnston out right now.

[lord bunberry]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/44877238
I think that Lennon is letting Celtic know that if they want McGinn for the qualifiers they’ll need to get everything agreed before tomorrow night.

[Captain Trips]

I really do not know how much Rodgers wants SJM. I think he believes any good players in league they should be buying even if not certain where will play.

I really think they want him for the sake of it tbh. Now we have knocked them back they will not want to look like not getting who they want and will try again even if need him or not.

I wonder if the bids indicate Rodgers has other irons in fire who will require a larger fee and does not want to much of the budget used on SJM as not really sure about him, almost yeah he is OK for about £2m I can justify not playing him every week for that.

[WhileTheChief..]

You really think Celtic will spend over £2m for a player that Rogers doesn’t rate just to save face?

That’s wired to the moon mental!

Back in in the real world the grown ups are haggling over a price. Happens in pretty much every transfer everywhere I’d imagine.

[Since90+2]

I've a feeling that Celtic will make a bid that the club accept prior to tomorrow's game and McGinn won't play or be cup tied for their Champions League qualifiers.

[Captain Trips]

You really think Celtic will spend over £2m for a player that Rogers doesn’t rate just to save face?

That’s wired to the moon mental!

Back in in the real world the grown ups are haggling over a price. Happens in pretty much every transfer everywhere I’d imagine.

No I think they will buy a player whom Rodgers thinks is OK but can get away with not playing him at that price.

I know he got injured but I could not see where Johnny Hayes was going to play but they could sign him relatively cheap for them and weaken opposition and for the fee easy enough to bench.

[Gmack7]

You really think Celtic will spend over £2m for a player that Rogers doesn’t rate just to save face?

That’s wired to the moon mental!

Back in in the real world the grown ups are haggling over a price. Happens in pretty much every transfer everywhere I’d imagine.

is Kouassie still there?.they paid north of 2milliom for him

[AlbertK86]

is Kouassie still there?.they paid north of 2milliom for him

On bench tonight


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[AlbertK86]

Think Morgan is injured, which might explain why Rodgers isn’t wanting to loan Johnston out right now.

Yep fair point then


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[Togs91]

Sorry if this has been posted before, big old thread. Hibs are obviously holding out for tje right deal for SJM, and rightly so, but would he be a first team pick for celtic every week with him being 'scott browns replacement'? Im not doubting he could get into the team, he would breeze it, but would he play alongside brown or not, and if so, would it be a bad move in the sence that he would loose regular game time and that match sharpness? If this was the case then would it be in the interest of both clubs to have a deal go ahead, he becomes a celtic player but remains on loan to us for the season, playing europe and first team football week in week out? Or do you reckon he would get 1st team football every week over in the west?

[WhileTheChief..]

is Kouassie still there?.they paid north of 2milliom for him

No idea. Never heard of him.

Plenty players get signed then barely start at their new club, Rherras for example.

My point is that I doubt any manager at a club buys a player just to save face. Apart from Rangers maybe!

[Onion]

You really think Celtic will spend over £2m for a player that Rogers doesn’t rate just to save face?

That’s wired to the moon mental!

Back in in the real world the grown ups are haggling over a price. Happens in pretty much every transfer everywhere I’d imagine.

Celtic's procrastination and lowball offers doesn't suggest they'd be distraught if they didn't get John. They have so much money, you could quite easily see them hovering up a player they might be able to sell on for 5 or 6 mill in a year or two (as they did with Armstrong), and at the same time denying Sevco a player who could transform their midfield.

[Col_0762]

Sorry if this has been posted before, big old thread. Hibs are obviously holding out for tje right deal for SJM, and rightly so, but would he be a first team pick for celtic every week with him being 'scott browns replacement'? Im not doubting he could get into the team, he would breeze it, but would he play alongside brown or not, and if so, would it be a bad move in the sence that he would loose regular game time and that match sharpness? If this was the case then would it be in the interest of both clubs to have a deal go ahead, he becomes a celtic player but remains on loan to us for the season, playing europe and first team football week in week out? Or do you reckon he would get 1st team football every week over in the west?

Personally, I don’t think he gets a game when they’re full strength. Unless they use Brown sparingly or he replaces Rogic every week once he plays his hour. I see it as a way of weakening us at a decent price.

[Captain Trips]

No idea. Never heard of him.

Plenty players get signed then barely start at their new club, Rherras for example.

My point is that I doubt any manager at a club buys a player just to save face. Apart from Rangers maybe!

And they wouldn't be buying him for that one aspect they would be buying him because cheap because weakens opposition gives them other options. They could by SJM 4 or 5x with what they offered and what paid for Edouard.

I'm not convinced that Rodgers rates him as highly on spending a lot on him. My opinion of course.

[ancient hibee]

Nope and nope to answer your questions!

Just wondered why you felt the need to pull folk up on it. No biggy.
I didn’t feel any need .I asked for info.I supposese there are those that use .net to score points off other users.I’m not one of them.

[flash]

Personally, I don’t think he gets a game when they’re full strength. Unless they use Brown sparingly or he replaces Rogic every week once he plays his hour. I see it as a way of weakening us at a decent price.

They really don't care about weakening us.

[Cod Boy]

Allan unused sub

[Stonewall]

And they wouldn't be buying him for that one aspect they would be buying him because cheap because weakens opposition gives them other options. They could by SJM 4 or 5x with what they offered and what paid for Edouard.

I'm no?t convinced that Rodgers rates him as highly on spending a lot on him. My opinion of course.

Yes, but Mcginn isn't stupid and you would think he's worked this out.

Is it a good career move?

[Col_0762]

They really don't care about weakening us.

Of course they do. We took points off them last season. They didn’t win the league till after the split. They’ve always done it. Cherry pick and pinch anyone that can cause them a problem during the game. Like what they done with Hayes recently, or Armstrong and GMS from United.

[Captain Trips]

Yes, but Mcginn isn't stupid and you would think he's worked this out.

Is it a good career move?

It's nothing to do with working out he will believe he can play every week and would ask these questions I am sure.

Hard to take for me that one of our best players in recent times cup winning legend is subject and again IMO of a meh type transfer to Celtic.

[superfurryhibby]

They really don't care about weakening us.


Yes, but Mcginn isn't stupid and you would think he's worked this out.

Is it a good career move?


Of course they do. We took points off them last season. They didn’t win the league till after the split. They’ve always done it. Cherry pick and pinch anyone that can cause them a problem during the game. Like what they done with Hayes recently, or Armstrong and GMS from United.

I don’t think they do. Celtic will buy/ sign other decent SPL players and hope they make an impact. They made a sound choice with Armstrong, from whom they made a tidy bit profit. They are low risk options, McKay-Stevens was a makeweight in the deal, cost very little by their budget standard.

[The Leith Dutch]

I don’t think they do. Celtic will buy/ sign other decent SPL players and hope they make an impact. They made a sound choice with Armstrong, from whom they made a tidy bit profit. They are low risk options, McKay-Stevens was a makeweight in the deal, cost very little by their budget standard.

This.

There's a weird paranoia that Celtic are obsessively looking at the club's just below them in some kind of fear.
At this point Celtic can buy quality players that are way outwith the budget of any other team if they at any point felt threatened.

They know the market here and realise there is good value either for depth of squad, selling on for a profit or makeweights in deals to sign other players in Scotland they think offer value.

I don't like it and the effect (weakening the opposition) is the the same but the idea that they systematically sign players solely to weaken the opposition doesn't really fly for me - they know they'll win the league next season and even Hibs taking say 2 wins and a draw off them in the league won't change that.

[Golden Bear]

In view of tonight's game, I can't see any breaking news today regarding John's future. The frustrating silence will linger on.

[flash]

In view of tonight's game, I can't see any breaking news today regarding John's future. The frustrating silence will linger on.

I think there's a pretty big chance of a new bid today as Celtic won't want him cup tied for the rest of the qualifiers.

[Greenworld]

I think there's a pretty big chance of a new bid today as Celtic won't want him cup tied for the rest of the qualifiers.That's was mentioned by Lennon. "At the moment John is playing " comment intimating that may change if a bid matching clubs valuation comes.
Nice chess move

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[Hibbyradge]

Celtc don't need to buy players to weaken the opposition. They're mile's ahead of everyone already.

They buy players who will improve/ maintain their team.

They're not going to pay £2m to us, and £10k a week to John McGinn to weaken us.

McGinn wants a big move and Hibs want to sell. If Celtc offer the highest transfer fee, they're actually financially strengthening us compared to the other interested parties.

Nottingham Forest offered a low amount in January for him, for example. Reports suggested John was disappointed not to get his move then.

That's a bit of a rambling post, but I hope my points are understandable.

[J-C]

Celtc don't need to buy players to weaken the opposition. They're mile's ahead of everyone already.

They buy players who will improve/ maintain their team.

They're not going to pay £2m to us, and £10k a week to John McGinn to weaken us.

McGinn wants a big move and Hibs want to sell. If Celtc offer the highest transfer fee, they're actually financially strengthening us compared to the other interested parties.

Nottingham Forest offered a low amount in January for him, for example. Reports suggested John was disappointed not to get his move then.

That's a bit of a rambling post, but I hope my points are understandable.


They have just lost Armstrong who before his injury was a regular for them and a very good player, John will take his place in the squad and he'll have to be ready not to start every match which he does here. He wanted a move south and was upset nothing more came of the Nottingham F bid in January, he understood it wasn't enough for the club. Obviously after speaking to his friends and family he's decided to stay in Scotland to further his career, he's involved in the Scotland set up so didn't need to move south for that and Celtic will be a good platform for him, unfortunately it means h'll play against us regularly.

Celtic don't buy players to weaken others, it's just they're the only ones up here who can afford to buy them, players see a move west as a good move, regular winning stuff and stay close to family and friends.

[Jim44]

They have just lost Armstrong who before his injury was a regular for them and a very good player, John will take his place in the squad and he'll have to be ready not to start every match which he does here. He wanted a move south and was upset nothing more came of the Nottingham F bid in January, he understood it wasn't enough for the club. Obviously after speaking to his friends and family he's decided to stay in Scotland to further his career, he's involved in the Scotland set up so didn't need to move south for that and Celtic will be a good platform for him, unfortunately it means h'll play against us regularly.

Celtic don't buy players to weaken others, it's just they're the only ones up here who can afford to buy them, players see a move west as a good move, regular winning stuff and stay close to family and friends.

The fact he will play against us regularly ( if he gets regular games) is not materially significant because Celtic will generally take lots of points off every team in the league so it doesn’t put us at a great disadvantage to other teams. Arguably, his inclusion might spur us on to perform better against them and pick up points where most others are failing.

[J-C]

The fact he will play against us regularly ( if he gets regular games) is not materially significant because Celtic will generally take lots of points off every team in the league so it doesn’t put us at a great disadvantage to other teams. Arguably, his inclusion might spur us on to perform better against them and pick up points where most others are failing.


I understand that, I just don't want him playing against us as he's been the heartbeat of this team for the past 3 years, I know Celtic are ahead of everyone and we'll be fighting for 2nd-4th spot again, just prefer him to go south that's all.

[Jim44]

I understand that, I just don't want him playing against us as he's been the heartbeat of this team for the past 3 years, I know Celtic are ahead of everyone and we'll be fighting for 2nd-4th spot again, just prefer him to go south that's all.

Don’t we all? But we’ll get over it once we get a few good performances and results under our belt.

[Ozyhibby]

There will be pressure on Celtic to pay the money as well. Hibs need to hold firm.
https://thecelticblog.com/2018/07/blogs/if-celtic-has-a-defensive-crisis-its-because-weve-been-lax-on-the-transfer-front-again/amp/?__twitter_impression=true


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[B.H.F.C]

I’ve never felt that Celtic truly wanted McGinn. I’ve always got the impression that the kind of feel they should sign him as opposed to wanting to.

If they’re happy for him to play for us and become ineligible for their qualifying matches (if that is the case as reported) then that to me shows how seriously they want him in their team.

[makaveli1875]

Yes, but Mcginn isn't stupid and you would think he's worked this out.

Is it a good career move?

Of course its a good career move , he's going to get payed alot of money to play for the team he supports . He may not start every game but unlikely he'd start every game down south either .

[Springbank]

There will be pressure on Celtic to pay the money as well. Hibs need to hold firm.
https://thecelticblog.com/2018/07/blogs/if-celtic-has-a-defensive-crisis-its-because-weve-been-lax-on-the-transfer-front-again/amp/?__twitter_impression=true


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We should play McGinn tonight and stick 2 fingers up to Peter Lawwell.

Lawwell would be in the absolute sh*t-house as far as Celtic fans are concerned, because of his penny pinching.

Thanks for posting that blog - to paraphrase the Celtic fans view, as expressed to their chairman - If John McGinn is valued at X amount, and if you & Celtic's manager want to sign John McGinn (which Celtic do) and if you have X amount in the bank already, with Champions League qualifiers at risk, then fxxxing pay X amount to Hibs and be done with it

[Since90+2]

We should play McGinn tonight and stick 2 fingers up to Peter Lawwell.

Lawwell would be in the absolute sh*t-house as far as Celtic fans are concerned, because of his penny pinching.

Thanks for posting that blog - to paraphrase the Celtic fans view, as expressed to their chairman - If John McGinn is valued at X amount, and if you & Celtic's manager want to sign John McGinn (which Celtic do) and if you have X amount in the bank already, with Champions League qualifiers at risk, then fxxxing pay X amount to Hibs and be done with it

I'd be surprised if McGinn plays tonight. If a deal is close I suspect his thigh injury might occur again.

[JackHibs]

Mcginn is not a replacement for Armstrong, they are very different players. Armstrong would play in the 3 behind the striker where as I'd say SJM is more of the one of the two deeper players in a 4231. SJM is box to box Armstrong gets a lot more goals.

As well SJM is 24 this year so not a youngster anymore and needs to be sure he will be playing week in week out as he is coming into his prime. I do think he is good enough to be a regular starter for them though

[GloryGlory]

I'd be surprised if McGinn plays tonight. If a deal is close I suspect his thigh injury might occur again.

He was pictured taking part in the training session last night in Toftir, so if he doesn't strip for tonight you'd have to think there's been some movement in the negotiation between Hibs and Celtic in the last 24 hours.


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[flash]

I'd be surprised if McGinn plays tonight. If a deal is close I suspect his thigh injury might occur again.

I wouldn't expect him to play. Unused substitute for my cash.

[Big_Franck]

There will be pressure on Celtic to pay the money as well. Hibs need to hold firm.
https://thecelticblog.com/2018/07/blogs/if-celtic-has-a-defensive-crisis-its-because-weve-been-lax-on-the-transfer-front-again/amp/?__twitter_impression=true


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Thats quite an interesting insight in to how Celtc fans are thinking. They are understandably frustrated at going backwards over the last year and are now desperate for new recruits. I trust Dempster to play this well.

[BILLYHIBS]

According to Scottish Sun today Neil Lennon has broken his silence and has said that Celtic are being presumptious if they think John McGinn is going to be joining them!

[SeanWilson]

According to Scottish Sun today Neil Lennon has broken his silence and has said that Celtic are being presumptious if they think John McGinn is going to be joining them!

They're likely taking their own spin on his comments re SB speaking about our player.

[Moulin Yarns]

Adam Rooney has signed for Salford. English 5th tier rather than stay at Aberdeen. What kind of money are Salford likely to be able to offer?

[SirDavidsNapper]

Adam Rooney has signed for Salford. English 5th tier rather than stay at Aberdeen. What kind of money are Salford likely to be able to offer?

Some signing for that level of football

[Jones28]

Adam Rooney has signed for Salford. English 5th tier rather than stay at Aberdeen. What kind of money are Salford likely to be able to offer?

Other transfer thread saying he's on £5.5k a week

[JimboHibs]

I’ve never felt that Celtic truly wanted McGinn. I’ve always got the impression that the kind of feel they should sign him as opposed to wanting to.

If they’re happy for him to play for us and become ineligible for their qualifying matches (if that is the case as reported) then that to me shows how seriously they want him in their team.

Don't be daft,regardless of how much money they have they're still a business,they won't throw crazy money for McGinn the same as whatever we end up getting for McGinn we won't start throwing crazy money for players we want also to suggest Rodgers is happy to sign a player he doesn't want is daft.

[Captain Trips]

Don't be daft,regardless of how much money they have they're still a business,they won't throw crazy money for McGinn the same as whatever we end up getting for McGinn we won't start throwing crazy money for players we want also to suggest Rodgers is happy to sign a player he doesn't want is daft.

It's not daft at all he may well want him but not for the fees we want as maybe he does not rate him as highly as others at club.

For £2m SJM is a very low risk signing leaving plenty in the budget for £2m he can sit on bench. I feel its like Simon Murray with us cheap and a punt to see if fits in. SJM is IMO better than that but I firmly believe Celtic do not rate him as highly as we do and would only be worried he went south and was a hit.

[itslegaltender]

Adam Rooney has signed for Salford. English 5th tier rather than stay at Aberdeen. What kind of money are Salford likely to be able to offer?

Aberdeens squad is looking weakened considerably on last couple of seasons.

[JimboHibs]

It's not daft at all he may well want him but not for the fees we want as maybe he does not rate him as highly as others at club.

For £2m SJM is a very low risk signing leaving plenty in the budget for £2m he can sit on bench. I feel its like Simon Murray with us cheap and a punt to see if fits in. SJM is IMO better than that but I firmly believe Celtic do not rate him as highly as we do and would only be worried he went south and was a hit.

Of course its daft to suggest Rodgers is signing a player he doesnt want and do you know 100% that £2m is the figure quoted by either Hibs or Celtic or we guessing ??

[Ozyhibby]

Sheffield paying £5m for Martin Waghorn.
If we really wanted to get top dollar for John McGinn we would have put him out on loan to an English Championship club last season.


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[Onion]

Sheffield paying £5m for Martin Waghorn.
If we really wanted to get top dollar for John McGinn we would have put him out on loan to an English Championship club last season.


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If anything summed up the craziness of the English game, this does it.

[Onion]

According to Scottish Sun today Neil Lennon has broken his silence and has said that Celtic are being presumptious if they think John McGinn is going to be joining them!

Not quite, Lennon was irritated by Scott Brown talking openly in the media about John McGinn and what Celtic would do for him. And quite right too. Brown should be more respectful and butt the hell out.

All part of the Celtic plan to try prize McGinn away from Hibs for a few quid less than it should cost them. It's the "Celtic Way".

[Stewboy]

Sheffield paying £5m for Martin Waghorn.
If we really wanted to get top dollar for John McGinn we would have put him out on loan to an English Championship club last season.


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Its just the way it works

If SJM played for Dundee Utd he would be worth £500k
Plays for Hibs £2m
If he signs for Sellick they can sell him for £6m to Sheff Wed
Sheff Wed would then sell him for £10m to Southampton

[WhileTheChief..]

Don't be daft,regardless of how much money they have they're still a business,they won't throw crazy money for McGinn the same as whatever we end up getting for McGinn we won't start throwing crazy money for players we want also to suggest Rodgers is happy to sign a player he doesn't want is daft.

Agreed. There’s an awful lot of daft stuff on this thread that should act as a warning to anyone wanting fan ownership!

Everything that folk are complaining about Celtic doing could equally be applied to Hibs when we try to sign players.

Should we pay over the odds for a player from a smaller club just cause we can afford to?!

It’s mental. Celtic are quite within their rights to offer what THEY feel McGinn is worth.

If they match our valuation they get their man. If they don’t then they don’t.

Why all the knashing of teeth? We’re in total control of the situation.

[bingo70]

Sheffield paying £5m for Martin Waghorn.
If we really wanted to get top dollar for John McGinn we would have put him out on loan to an English Championship club last season.


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The goalie that was on loan at Aberdeen from Liverpool, Ward, is going to Leicester for somewhere around £10 million as well.

Think he would have been on loan at Aberdeen at the same time as Maddison so they would have had a combined value of around £35m, yet had Aberdeen sold them they would have got around a couple of million probably.

Scottish league is a pub league though eh :rolleyes:

[B.H.F.C]

Don't be daft,regardless of how much money they have they're still a business,they won't throw crazy money for McGinn the same as whatever we end up getting for McGinn we won't start throwing crazy money for players we want also to suggest Rodgers is happy to sign a player he doesn't want is daft.

If Celtic REALLY wanted him and saw him as crucial to their team, why would they risk hanging on and him ending up ineligible for what they see as their most important games of the season?

Never said Rodgers doesn’t want him. Just don’t think he’ll lose any sleep if they don’t get him.

[Hibby Kay-Yay]

He was pictured taking part in the training session last night in Toftir, so if he doesn't strip for tonight you'd have to think there's been some movement in the negotiation between Hibs and Celtic in the last 24 hours.


https://twitter.com/snsgroup/status/1019656017163030529

Plastic pitch by the looks of it

[Lago]

If anything summed up the craziness of the English game, this does it.
And what chance has Scottish football amidst all that crazy news.

[jonny]

Mcginn is not a replacement for Armstrong, they are very different players. Armstrong would play in the 3 behind the striker where as I'd say SJM is more of the one of the two deeper players in a 4231. SJM is box to box Armstrong gets a lot more goals.

As well SJM is 24 this year so not a youngster anymore and needs to be sure he will be playing week in week out as he is coming into his prime. I do think he is good enough to be a regular starter for them though

Last season McGinn had 43 appearances and scored 6 goals. Armstrong had 39 appearances and scored 4. The players are of similar age and McGinn has more international caps.
I do agree that the 2 have very different styles and also agree that SJM is good enough to be a regular starter for them, like many however, I am growing more frustrated at the fact they're trying to sell us short.
Pay up or move on.

[Daydreamer]

This is a game of poker that has went on for two weeks. Hold our nerve like Petrie did with Brown, Thomson and Whittaker and we'll win. Blink first then it'll be £2 million. In Leanne we trust.

[Springbank]

This is a game of poker that has went on for two weeks. Hold our nerve like Petrie did with Brown, Thomson and Whittaker and we'll win. Blink first then it'll be £2 million. In Leanne we trust.

Then we are going to need a second / third / fourth blink.

£2.5m plus Scott Allan and a loan (seemingly Biton or Johnston) is when the blink becomes the bank

[bingo70]

And what chance has Scottish football amidst all that crazy news.

Absolutely loads as people become disillusioned with the ridiculous money, expensive ticket prices and general lack of soul and character to their teams. IMO it will reach saturation point soon (i'm no sure i've got that phrase right, doesn't look correct, sure you know what i mean though) if it's not there already.

We are already seeing people coming back to Scottish Football in their droves, there's talk of Sky reducing their offer to English football in future deals so we just need to make sure we're doing the right things and ready to capitalise on any increased attention we are getting.

[Greenworld]

Then we are going to need a second / third / fourth blink.

£2.5m plus Scott Allan and a loan (seemingly Biton or Johnston) is when the blink becomes the bankPl seems to be getting put under a bit of pressure from his manager,team captain and now fans over getting mcginn in now . I would be amazed if a final bid which is much closer to hibs valuation is not made today

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[tamig]

Agreed. There’s an awful lot of daft stuff on this thread that should act as a warning to anyone wanting fan ownership!

Everything that folk are complaining about Celtic doing could equally be applied to Hibs when we try to sign players.

Should we pay over the odds for a player from a smaller club just cause we can afford to?!

It’s mental. Celtic are quite within their rights to offer what THEY feel McGinn is worth.

If they match our valuation they get their man. If they don’t then they don’t.

Why all the knashing of teeth? We’re in total control of the situation.
Think thats a pretty crass way of looking at fan ownership and potentially discouraging folk from supporting the club via HSL.

Do you reckon every man and their dug will have a seat at the boardroom table? When fan ownership is attained I suspect it will be a bit different.

[Billy Whizz]

Pl seems to be getting put under a bit of pressure from his manager,team captain and now fans over getting mcginn in now . I would be amazed if a final bid which is much closer to hibs valuation is not made today

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Think they need a centre half just now, more than a midfielder

[JackHibs]

Last season McGinn had 43 appearances and scored 6 goals. Armstrong had 39 appearances and scored 4. The players are of similar age and McGinn has more international caps.
I do agree that the 2 have very different styles and also agree that SJM is good enough to be a regular starter for them, like many however, I am growing more frustrated at the fact they're trying to sell us short.
Pay up or move on.

Didn’t realise that to be fair, I thought he was injured for quite a bit but obviously not. Think he scored about 15 the season before!

Your right though it’s getting a bit boring now..


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[Springbank]

Think they need a centre half just now, more than a midfielder

The fans are reaching a state of unrest through there, though, specifically about the McGinn deal.

Even the manager and the captain are in the papers talking about it.

McGinn is a special player (as has been said many times before) but Lawwell is acting more like Dave King in his clumsy pursuit of SJM.

To borrow from the great Frank Drebin, Lawwell's in a tricky siutation, "...and like I said to the blind man on the nudist beach, you're going to have to feel your way carefully from here on"

[WhileTheChief..]

Think thats a pretty crass way of looking at fan ownership and potentially discouraging folk from supporting the club via HSL.

Do you reckon every man and their dug will have a seat at the boardroom table? When fan ownership is attained I suspect it will be a bit different.

I don’t want to derail the thread but there’s a real danger that people will be elected to HSL in a similar vain to how the fans reps were elected - popularity rather than substance.

Over time the whole board of HSL could be made up of bampots who then get a seat on the board of Hibs. Anything can happen after that.

I’m not talking now or in a year or so, but his could happen 20 or 30 years down the line!!

I’m not looking to discourage folk from signing up to HSL but remember that there are plenty of us who absolutely do not want fan ownership.

Apologies agian, I know this doesn’t belong here so if you want to reply maybe PM me or start a new thread?

[GreenPJ]

I don’t want to derail the thread but there’s a real danger that people will be elected to HSL in a similar vain to how the fans reps were elected - popularity rather than substance.

Over time the whole board of HSL could be made up of bampots who then get a seat on the board of Hibs. Anything can happen after that.

I’m not talking now or in a year or so, but his could happen 20 or 30 years down the line!!

I’m not looking to discourage folk from signing up to HSL but remember that there are plenty of us who absolutely do not want fan ownership.

Apologies agian, I know this doesn’t belong here so if you want to reply maybe PM me or start a new thread?

But HSL only has one seat on the Hibs board just now(?) Max it will be two. The Governance structure of the Hibs board not the HSL board is what is ultimately important in terms of the running of the club.

[Lago]

Absolutely loads as people become disillusioned with the ridiculous money, expensive ticket prices and general lack of soul and character to their teams. IMO it will reach saturation point soon (i'm no sure i've got that phrase right, doesn't look correct, sure you know what i mean though) if it's not there already.

We are already seeing people coming back to Scottish Football in their droves, there's talk of Sky reducing their offer to English football in future deals so we just need to make sure we're doing the right things and ready to capitalise on any increased attention we are getting.
You make some reasonable points, people may well be attracted back, but & it is a big but, without true competition in the league boredom will set in. The duopoly that has exsisted for so long at the top of our league is a mjor problem.

[Ozyhibby]

You make some reasonable points, people may well be attracted back, but & it is a big but, without true competition in the league boredom will set in. The duopoly that has exsisted for so long at the top of our league is a mjor problem.

Proper competition is the best thing that could happen to Scottish football and to get that we need to salary cap the league to pull Celtic back to the pack.


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[Lago]

:aok:
Proper competition is the best thing that could happen to Scottish football and to get that we need to salary cap the league to pull Celtic back to the pack.


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[Michael]

Still think he'll be heading to England. Celtic's first two bids were well off his value and I can't see their third bid being enough of an improvement. I doubt either side will have the patience to go beyond that, plus I don't think I've even heard of a fourth bid happening in football.

[londonhibby]

Still think he'll be heading to England. Celtic's first two bids were well off his value and I can't see their third bid being enough of an improvement. I doubt either side will have the patience to go beyond that, plus I don't think I've even heard of a fourth bid happening in football.

That would piss off a section of their support, at least on Kerrydale Street:

'Neil Jung
19 Jul 2018, 04:26 PM
remy mcswain19 Jul 2018, 01:02 PM
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Just £4m? Typical biscuit tin mentality. I think we should through in an extra million as a tip just to show everybody else we're considerably richer than them.
N really but we have the money and want the player...understand the best deal etc...but just pay it and move onto other ares of the team.

Manager wants him.
Player wants to come.
We have the money.

Thats the short of it.'

Fine by me :aok:

[Pagan Hibernia]

I don’t want to derail the thread but there’s a real danger that people will be elected to HSL in a similar vain to how the fans reps were elected - popularity rather than substance.

Over time the whole board of HSL could be made up of bampots who then get a seat on the board of Hibs. Anything can happen after that.

I’m not talking now or in a year or so, but his could happen 20 or 30 years down the line!!

I’m not looking to discourage folk from signing up to HSL but remember that there are plenty of us who absolutely do not want fan ownership.

Apologies agian, I know this doesn’t belong here so if you want to reply maybe PM me or start a new thread?

HSL can only have at most 26-30% of the club and one or two representatives on the Hibs board. The scenario you describe is not going to happen.

[Jim44]

That would piss off a section of their support, at least on Kerrydale Street:

'Neil Jung
19 Jul 2018, 04:26 PM
remy mcswain19 Jul 2018, 01:02 PM
Quoting limited to 3 levels deep
Just £4m? Typical biscuit tin mentality. I think we should through in an extra million as a tip just to show everybody else we're considerably richer than them.
N really but we have the money and want the player...understand the best deal etc...but just pay it and move onto other ares of the team.

Manager wants him.
Player wants to come.
We have the money.

Thats the short of it.'

Fine by me :aok:

I’m sure Brenda will be cheesed off with Lawwell if they don’t get this over the line.

[CropleyWasGod]

But HSL only has one seat on the Hibs board just now(?) Max it will be two. The Governance structure of the Hibs board not the HSL board is what is ultimately important in terms of the running of the club.

There is no official HSL representation on the Board just now.

However, 2 directors of Hibs, Stephen Dunn and Leeann, are on the HSL board.

[WhileTheChief..]

HSL can only have at most 26-30% of the club and one or two representatives on the Hibs board. The scenario you describe is not going to happen.

10 years from now? 20? Who knows what the make up will be.

What’s to stop HSL changing their objective over time if it has new board members?

[Pagan Hibernia]

10 years from now? 20? Who knows what the make up will be.

What’s to stop HSL changing their objective over time if it has new board members?

maybe you and the others who are also opposed to fan ownership should join then, and have your say on its future direction :thumbsup:

[Captain Trips]

Of course its daft to suggest Rodgers is signing a player he doesnt want and do you know 100% that £2m is the figure quoted by either Hibs or Celtic or we guessing ??

No I don't the figure is actually less than £2m. We have signed a host of players whom manager has not played over years all clubs do. I have not said BR 100% doesn't want him but I am not convinced he 100% wants him either.

With the CL money etc etc trying to sign SJM for the money they offered is like us signing Rherras. I think Celtic are more concerned he goes south and is a hit with them needing to pay a lot for him. I think BR has options in there that might mean he is on the bench more than would like.

If Scott Brown was not there or injured for a long time Celtic would have paid us the fee and he would be gone. I think he can replace Brown but Brown is not ready to be replaced that is the issue for BR.

[ancient hibee]

Bump.Almost on page 3 -yesterday’s news!

[Heisenberg]

I’m surprised Celtc haven’t come back in for him yet. Maybe they are waiting till after the English window closes to try and get him cheaper as they will definitely have no competition at that stage.

[Togs91]

I just think theyve came in early. Theyre not ready to replace brown yet, so hell end up a bench warmer. If they want a deal, buy him at a decent price and loan to us until hes getting regular game time their side

[B.H.F.C]

I’m surprised Celtc haven’t come back in for him yet. Maybe they are waiting till after the English window closes to try and get him cheaper as they will definitely have no competition at that stage.

No he wouldn’t be eligible to play for them in their qualifiers I’d expect that’s exactly what they’ll be waiting on. Don’t expect any further moves for him until after then, unless they’re forced to.

[blackpoolhibs]

I just think theyve came in early. Theyre not ready to replace brown yet, so hell end up a bench warmer. If they want a deal, buy him at a decent price and loan to us until hes getting regular game time their side

He does not play in the same position as Brown? :confused:

[ancient hibee]

If Rogers persists in playing two upfront there'll be even less room in the midfield for McGinn.If Brown is a shoe-in that leaves Nitcham and McGregor to play in front of him with Rogic just off the front plus Forrest and Sinclair for the wide position.If he goes McGinn could be keeping Griffiths company.

[Joe6-2]

If Rogers persists in playing two upfront there'll be even less room in the midfield for McGinn.If Brown is a shoe-in that leaves Nitcham and McGregor to play in front of him with Rogic just off the front plus Forrest and Sinclair for the wide position.If he goes McGinn could be keeping Griffiths company.

Probably
Griffiths, what a waste!

[ancient hibee]

Probably
Griffiths, what a waste!

Think Rogers doesn't trust Griffiths' fitness.It seems he's entering Dylan territory of an underlying issue affecting other muscles.

[Jim44]

The muppets seem to think that if there is no other bid from Celtic, a calling card for January will be sent and that is the end of the story for now. I’d love it if a decent bid came in from England but I have my doubts now. A pre contract is on the cards but I can see Celtic trying to get him at bargain basement price by unsettling him and ‘taking an unhappy player off our hands’.

[calumhibee1]

Think Rogers doesn't trust Griffiths' fitness.It seems he's entering Dylan territory of an underlying issue affecting other muscles.

Is Griffiths frequently injured? I’d never really noticed. Always one of the good things about him at Hibs was that he was always fit.. apart from the Celtic cup final, just our luck!

[ancient hibee]

Is Griffiths frequently injured? I’d never really noticed. Always one of the good things about him at Hibs was that he was always fit.. apart from the Celtic cup final, just our luck!

And that's what his underlying problem is -damage to his calf muscles.

[Libby Hibby]

SJM is the only player in the Scottish premier to go toe to toe with Scott Brown last season and win...Celtic know this, so should pay the correct money for their captains most likely successor