Sky sports news Celtic bid for McGinn turned down

[Since90+2]

Wrong.
Everton bid £4.4m (same as Celtic) and the decision was left up to Scott Brown

It was Reading not Everton. I think Brown may well have ended up in England if Everton were interested.

[Captain Trips]

Double cup winner with 2 different clubs, Scottish International.

[SideBurns]

Devil's advocate here.

What would you expect them to do? Being philanthropic towards other teams isn't going to help their own ambitions.

Turning it round, would you want us to pay over the market rate for players in the lower leagues?

Like it or not, and I don't particularly, every club looks after Number 1.

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I'm afraid that sums it up. In recent years we've probably done as well as we ever have in transfer dealings with Celtic (Hendo, Dylan, Allan, Stokesy) when traditionally it has pretty much been one way traffic in the other direction. I'd imagine this has, to a greater or lesser degree, been due to Stubbs & Lennon's connections.

However, Celtic will do what is good for Celtic and that's the same for every club. I expect they won't be surprised that Hibs have knocked back their initial bid and the final agreement (should one be reached) will lie somewhere between the £1.5 million and our own valuation. That is the reality of negotiation.

[NORTHERNHIBBY]

At least Lennon can say that there have been no serious bids for him.

[Hibeewilly]

[QUOTE=SideBurns;5451522]I'm afraid that sums it up. In recent years we've probably done as well as we ever have in transfer dealings with Celtic (Hendo, Dylan, Allan, Stokesy) when traditionally it has pretty much been one way traffic in the other direction. I'd imagine this has, to a greater or lesser degree, been due to Stubbs & Lennon's connections.

However, Celtic will do what is good for Celtic and that's the same for every club. I expect they won't be surprised that Hibs have knocked back their initial bid and the final agreement (should one be reached) will lie somewhere between the £1.5 million and our own valuation. That is the reality of negotiation.[/QU
Does Big Efe enter that category as well......what a player he has been

[SideBurns]

[QUOTE=SideBurns;5451522]I'm afraid that sums it up. In recent years we've probably done as well as we ever have in transfer dealings with Celtic (Hendo, Dylan, Allan, Stokesy) when traditionally it has pretty much been one way traffic in the other direction. I'd imagine this has, to a greater or lesser degree, been due to Stubbs & Lennon's connections.

However, Celtic will do what is good for Celtic and that's the same for every club. I expect they won't be surprised that Hibs have knocked back their initial bid and the final agreement (should one be reached) will lie somewhere between the £1.5 million and our own valuation. That is the reality of negotiation.[/QU
Does Big Efe enter that category as well......what a player he has been

Jeez, how could I forget big Efe? He's been marvellous. I'm embarrassed. That's 5 players signed either on loan or permanently from Celtic in the last few seasons who have made huge contributions. We haven't done too badly out of them in recent years...

[Hibeewilly]

[QUOTE=Hibeewilly;5451879]

Jeez, how could I forget big Efe? He's been marvellous. I'm embarrassed. That's 5 players signed either on loan or permanently from Celtic in the last few seasons who have made huge contributions. We haven't done too badly out of them in recent years...
With Gray coming back Sideburns Efe might have a midfield role this year......another poster mentioned that this morning before me.....remember Bamba

[SideBurns]

[QUOTE=SideBurns;5451904]
With Gray coming back Sideburns Efe might have a midfield role this year......another poster mentioned that this morning before me.....remember Bamba

No reason why Efe couldnae play midfield - if he did, I'd feel less nervous when he embarks on one of his lazy runs! Wonder if Lenny has given it any thought.

[Hibeewilly]

[QUOTE=Hibeewilly;5451962]

No reason why Efe couldnae play midfield - if he did, I'd feel less nervous when he embarks on one of his lazy runs! Wonder if Lenny has given it any thought.
Im thinking he will be a class act in there mate

[SideBurns]

[QUOTE=SideBurns;5451973]
Im thinking he will be a class act in there mate

Suspect you'd be right mate. He strikes me as the kind of player who could comfortably fill any position. His 'bombscare' reputation is, imo, down to over confidence and the fact he finds the game so easy leading to occasional lapses in concentration and complacency.

Anyway, we seem to have turned this into an Efe thread 😁

[BullsCloseHibs]

I'd keep him for another season rather than take a derisory 1.5m.

[FifeHibs]

[QUOTE=Hibeewilly;5451993]

Suspect you'd be right mate. He strikes me as the kind of player who could comfortably fill any position. His 'bombscare' reputation is, imo, down to over confidence and the fact he finds the game so easy leading to occasional lapses in concentration and complacency.

Anyway, we seem to have turned this into an Efe thread 😁

I'm sure he plays in midfield for Nigeria when selected and came to Celtic as a DM.

[weecounty hibby]

You could say the same about all the big clubs. And I dare say people below us in the food chain could say the same a out us.

I don't think we throw our weight about and use the press the way celtic and their twin does. 1.5 for McGinn is a derisory amount when you consider what they have brought in for Armstrong.

[0762]

The players probably have/had no idea what happened before final bids were made. RP was very much minded to accept the 2nd bid made, about £4m for both. JC told him he was way undervaluing them. TBF to RP he listened to JC. When he received circa £6,5m for the twins it totally changed RP's thinking about future transfers which helped JC persuade him re giving Fletch a new, much more lucrative contract. It was without doubt RP who was involved in the transfer negotiations but before JC 's intervention, he had been ready to accept offers at end 2006. Remember RP is the guy who sold O'Connor to Russia weeks after our window had closed & when we were in a cup semi final against Hawrts. If he'd sold Broony, when he & Katie wanted to go, we probably would not have won the 2007 League Cup.

Sorry but we're going to have to disagree on this one.
As I said before your version is as JC would want you to think. Squad at the time tell a very different story.

Yes you're right if we'd sold Brown/Thomson when they wanted to go, we probably would not have won the CIS Cup.
But difference is I was told JC wanted both Brown/Thomson out in that January window.

The Board didn't think this was in the interest of the Club and reluctantly agreed to sell Thomson.
Club gets a fee way above JC's valuation. But of course JC claims it was his deal!

Brown you'll not see him say a bad word about Hibs and when asked is very complimentary in the way he was dealt with after the window shut through to him leaving.
Ask him - I did. Club gets a valuation above that of JC - but of course JC claims it was his deal!!

On Fletch, Club were just following the policy they'd adopted years before in getting young players with potential on long term contracts.
Miller, Brown, Thomson, O'Connor, Murphy, Whittaker were all put on long term deals before being sold - but of course JC claims Fletch was his idea!!!

So, as I've been told it, if JC had got his way in that January window club would have sold Brown/Thomson for lower fees than we got and both players would have been gone before the CIS final. Would we have been happy with that? I think not. But that didn't so it's easy to claim a different story because of the positive outcome.

See there are two sides to a story. I know which one I believe as been told it by several players over the years, and not just those directly involved, but I'm sure you have you're reasons for believing you're side of things.

I have great memories of JC, as old enough to remember him as a young Hibs Player, and will always appreciate him taking over the team and the fabulous performance in the CIS Cup Final but after that it went completely wrong and his lack of man-management was found out. The Dunfermline Scot Cup Semi loss was just embarrassing and the team was on a downward spiral. Then when it comes to recruitment I just can't bear to type some of the names. Needless to say not one of them make my all-time Hibs team.

[Hermit Crab]

I'd keep him for another season rather than take a derisory 1.5m.


And then lose him for nothing ?

[GreenLake]

And then lose him for nothing ?

If we win another trophy or qualify for Europe it might be worth it.

[Springbank]

And then lose him for nothing ?

having won us a cup and a higher league placing that bring in, between them, that 1.5m

so a season to remember and enjoy on the field plus 1.5m

or a Shan deal from Celtic now for the same 1.5?

easy decision

[H18 SFR]

Reports suggesting there will be more discussions today as they need to register him before close of business tomorrow for their Euro game next week.

[calumhibee1]

Reports suggesting there will be more discussions today as they need to register him before close of business tomorrow for their Euro game next week.

Fingers crossed. It’s going to happen so I’d rather it happened ASAP. Does this mean that we have to have players registered by tomorrow to play in our game aswell?

[CorrieHibs]

Will McGinn be cup tied for Celtic in Europe if he plays next week?

[Phil MaGlass]

i still think we will get atleast 5 mill for him, or a hefty sell on clause.

[Ken]

i still think we will get atleast 5 mill for him, or a hefty sell on clause.

There is very little chance of us getting more than £3m in cash. I think it will be somewhere between £2m-£2.5m + Allan and if it’s nearer £2m we might get a player on loan too


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[H18 SFR]

Fingers crossed. It’s going to happen so I’d rather it happened ASAP. Does this mean that we have to have players registered by tomorrow to play in our game aswell?

We have until Friday.

[Heisenberg]

See they’ve wheeled out Scott Bain to tell the press how well McGinn would fit in at Celtc. Probably because Rodgers is too respectful to speak about players at other clubs. ****s.

[heretoday]

[QUOTE=Hibeewilly;5451962]

No reason why Efe couldnae play midfield - if he did, I'd feel less nervous when he embarks on one of his lazy runs! Wonder if Lenny has given it any thought.
I've said this for ages. He's classy on the ball and the further from our goal he is the better!

[Since90+2]

i still think we will get atleast 5 mill for him, or a hefty sell on clause.

No chance we will get anywhere near that. Will be half at best.

[Jim44]

Will McGinn be cup tied for Celtic in Europe if he plays next week?

No.

[Borderhibbie76]

See they’ve wheeled out Scott Bain to tell the press how well McGinn would fit in at Celtc. Probably because Rodgers is too respectful to speak about players at other clubs. ****s.The usual guff from them and their ugly sisters

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[Oscar T Grouch]

If anyone wants a laugh then go over to Jambo brokeback and have a look at their SJM thread. It’s a smorgasbord of jamboness, SJM is a terrible player, harry cockring is better than SJM and McGeough, the bank gets a huge wedge of any transfer fee we get and STF gets the rest of it, there is also a lot of them celebrating cockrings tackle on SJM. All very Jambo and all very funny.

[Ozyhibby]

[QUOTE=SideBurns;5451973]
I've said this for ages. He's classy on the ball and the further from our goal he is the better!

Off the ball he does not have the work rate to be constantly closing down play though. It’s not going to happen.


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[Ozyhibby]

If we win another trophy or qualify for Europe it might be worth it.

It would def be worth it. We are not in as bad a position as people think.


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[Billy Whizz]

It would def be worth it. We are not in as bad a position as people think.


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Still need to bring in a player similar to McGinn, strong and a driving force in midfield

[Hermit Crab]

No.


I thought he would be as that Aubameyang was for Arsenal last season was he not?

[makaveli1875]

Celtic to make another bid today according to the sun

https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/sport/football/2878364/john-mcginn-celtic-hoops-second-bid-remain-hopeful-liverpool-harry-wilson/

[CapitalGreen]

I thought he would be as that Aubameyang was for Arsenal last season was he not?

Cup tied rules have been removed from all European competition from this season going forward.

[RoxburghHibs]

Still need to bring in a player similar to McGinn, strong and a driving force in midfield

Youssouf Mulumbu from Killie would be exactly that

[B.H.F.C]

If Celtic want him then I wish they’d just get on with it and get it done. Not as if they are short of cash.

They want McGinn. We want Allan. Both of us start our seasons next week so just make it bloody happen.

[Hibbyradge]

having won us a cup and a higher league placing that bring in, between them, that 1.5m

so a season to remember and enjoy on the field plus 1.5m

or a Shan deal from Celtic now for the same 1.5?

easy decision

That's not a decision. That's a dream.

It might come true, but it might not. It might come true with different personnel too.

[GloryGlory]

Youssouf Mulumbu from Killie would be exactly that

Or Kamara at Dundee, maybe? :dunno:

[RoxburghHibs]

Or Kamara at Dundee, maybe? :dunno:

Maybe but Mulumbu looked streets ahead from the little I saw of them last season IMHO

[GloryGlory]

Maybe but Mulumbu looked streets ahead from the little I saw of them last season IMHO

I suppose it will depend on availability, transfer fee and wages, then.

[Jim44]

If Celtic want him then I wish they’d just get on with it and get it done. Not as if they are short of cash.

They want McGinn. We want Allan. Both of us start our seasons next week so just make it bloody happen.

:agree: if we get Allan and another couple of good players, we’ll be in decent shape. We will challenge every team in the league, Celtic will be strengthened by McGinn but not to the extent that it will hurt us. I’ve got over the dread of losing him.

[SirDavidsNapper]

Maybe but Mulumbu looked streets ahead from the little I saw of them last season IMHO

Mulumbu would be a fantastic signing

[BegbieHSC]

If anyone wants a laugh then go over to Jambo brokeback and have a look at their SJM thread. It’s a smorgasbord of jamboness, SJM is a terrible player, harry cockring is better than SJM and McGeough, the bank gets a huge wedge of any transfer fee we get and STF gets the rest of it, there is also a lot of them celebrating cockrings tackle on SJM. All very Jambo and all very funny.

Utter fannies!

Their delusions make me really happy.

[CapitalGreen]

Maybe but Mulumbu looked streets ahead from the little I saw of them last season IMHO

It must have been very little.

[Bristolhibby]

:agree: if we get Allan and another couple of good players, we’ll be in decent shape. We will challenge every team in the league, Celtic will be strengthened by McGinn but not to the extent that it will hurt us. I’ve got over the dread of losing him.

This. Neil will have replacements lined up. If it’s happening, make it happen please. £2.5 and up + Allen and it’s done.

J

[Jim44]

If anyone wants a laugh then go over to Jambo brokeback and have a look at their SJM thread. It’s a smorgasbord of jamboness, SJM is a terrible player, harry cockring is better than SJM and McGeough, the bank gets a huge wedge of any transfer fee we get and STF gets the rest of it, there is also a lot of them celebrating cockrings tackle on SJM. All very Jambo and all very funny.

It’s only natural for rival supporters to talk down the best players of other teams, especially if they are in the ‘unobtainable to them’ bracket. I would gladly admire any of their better players if they had any. :rolleyes:

[WhileTheChief..]

If anyone wants a laugh then go over to Jambo brokeback and have a look at their SJM thread. It’s a smorgasbord of jamboness, SJM is a terrible player, harry cockring is better than SJM and McGeough, the bank gets a huge wedge of any transfer fee we get and STF gets the rest of it, there is also a lot of them celebrating cockrings tackle on SJM. All very Jambo and all very funny.

When Dylan was with us he was crap, now he’s gone we’ve lost our best player.

McGinn is equally useless just now but when he moves we will have lost a world class player.

Allan will see out his contract at Celtic then head off elsewhere.

Oh, and we’re still giving away thousands of free season tickets. It’s the only explanation for having shifted more than them.

[ian cruise]

If we win another trophy or qualify for Europe it might be worth it.

If we keep him and go out of Europe and the cup at first time of asking what then? I keep seeing this argument against selling John as if his presence guarantees we'll get to the group stages and win a cup. He's a great player but his presence guarantees nothing in those competitions.

[Since90+2]

If we keep him and go out of Europe and the cup at first time of asking what then? I keep seeing this argument against selling John as if his presence guarantees we'll get to the group stages and win a cup. He's a great player but his presence guarantees nothing in those competitions.

No player ever guarantees you anything but we have a greater chance of success in both competitions with McGinn in the side so I can see peoples argument. I think he will be gone regardless.

[Stevie Reid]

If McGinn isn't sold and gets a bad injury, we could lose him for the season and have no money from a sale - far too big a risk for us.

We'll sell him and rightly so. I love him and he's been very good for us, but life goes on.

[BegbieHSC]

If McGinn isn't sold and gets a bad injury, we could lose him for the season and have no money from a sale - far too big a risk for us.

We'll sell him and rightly so. I love him and he's been very good for us, but life goes on.

Yipp! It happened to the Jambos with Calum Paterson - they rejected derisory offers for him, then he gets injured for the season, and signs a pr contract elsewhere.

tbh, seeing how he’s turned out, it’s no wonder that they were spewing at losing him for free.

Would hate for the same to happen to us with McGinn

[number9dream]

Mulumbu would be a fantastic signing

Surprised he hasn’t found a new club yet, although teams in France and England leave things a bit later.
Doubt he would come to us ahead of staying with Killie for a few quid more.

[Wilson]

If McGinn isn't sold and gets a bad injury, we could lose him for the season and have no money from a sale - far too big a risk for us.

We'll sell him and rightly so. I love him and he's been very good for us, but life goes on.


Doomsday scenario which shouldn't affect our valuation.

If we retain him we can assume he will leave for nothing. We will plan our recruitment with that in mind. Whether he gets injured or not is simply the vagaries of football.

If we are dependant on getting just any money in then we'll sell ourselves short. I'd rather the club got a fair price than got short changed.

[007]

It’s only natural for rival supporters to talk down the best players of other teams, especially if they are in the ‘unobtainable to them’ bracket. I would gladly admire any of their better players if they had any. :rolleyes:

They did have 1, Mclaughlin.

[Mango Man]

Surprised he hasn’t found a new club yet, although teams in France and England leave things a bit later.
Doubt he would come to us ahead of staying with Killie for a few quid more.

I'm surprised no team has come in for Steve Clarke yet, what a job he did there last season.

[calumhibee1]

Surprised he hasn’t found a new club yet, although teams in France and England leave things a bit later.
Doubt he would come to us ahead of staying with Killie for a few quid more.

He’d be leaving us for more money and also playing in a better side with better players. Although I still don’t think he’ll be coming here, I also can’t see why he’d choose Killie over us.

[J-C]

As good as McGinn can be and he has improved a lot this past 2 seasons, there were times I felt he tried too hard to make things happen therefore he made simple basic errors, these are still things he needs to iron out of his game if he wants to go further. Knowing McGinn's mindset and professionalism he'll be working as hard as ever to make himself the best, whether that's at Celtic or elsewhere, maybe that's the reason why no one has come in with the £3-5m offer yet, they still see him developing.

[21.05.2016]

£1.5m is a pathetic offer and fine well Celtic know it. Exactly the same as what sevco do when bidding on another Scottish clubs players. Pair of them show so much disrespect and contempt for the other clubs in this country its unreal.

Really hope an English club comes in and blows Celtic out the water for SJM and he goes down there.

[homehibby]

https://thecelticstar.com/celtics-back-mcginn-2million-bid-plus-scott-allan

Got sent this this afternoon dunno if there is truth in it.

[Hibs07p]

IMO this is already a done deal, and probably has been for a long time, all we are now doing is playing out the end game. Both clubs apparently playing hard ball to appease their own fans and a compromise will be made where the “best deal” is agreed. The other scenario is that SJM bides his time and signs a pre contract in January.
Again, IMO Celtic are operating from a strong position knowing that their ultimate replacement for Scott Brown wants to sign for them can wait until contract runs down. Don’t know what the final deal will be, but I think SJM is Parkhead bound.
Disclaimer. No inside info but 50 years experience hoping against hope that we are about to lose another talented player to the OF. This time I hope it benefits the club, but we are in a weak position.

GGTTH
Scottish Cup Winners 2016

[ancient hibee]

Don’t think Hibs have the slightest wish to sell to Celtic and they will be delighted to get better bids from down south.Also don’t consider Celtic want McGinn as another Brown.

[Captain Trips]

2018 transfer fees gone nuts we have been bid 1.5m for a double cup winning International player. What a total pile of piss.

The fear of losing him for nothing cannot enter this, now is the time to push this all the way IMO if somebody really wants him let's see it.

[WhileTheChief..]

I think Lennon and Dempster would quite happily keep him for the season and let him leave for nothing this time next year rather than accept a low offer from Celtic.

Despite what the doomsayers might think, we hold all the cards here.

[Aldo]

2018 transfer fees gone nuts we have been bid 1.5m for a double cup winning International player. What a total pile of piss.

The fear of losing him for nothing cannot enter this, now is the time to push this all the way IMO if somebody really wants him let's see it.

Considering St Mirren are due a chunk doesn’t leave much if that’s all we are getting (think we will get more though)


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[Captain Trips]

I think Lennon and Dempster would quite happily keep him for the season and let him leave for nothing this time next year rather than accept a low offer from Celtic.

Despite what the doomsayers might think, we hold all the cards here.

I am with you. He can only talk to a club just now if we allow it. In 6 months he can talk to he likes one club could trump another very easily big wages down south could have an effect on what is seen as likely destination.

Some clubs may not wish to take risk in open market.

[Speedway]

We need to get Allan out of Parkhead before we sell McGinn down south otherwise the Allan price tag will mysteriously sky rocket.

[hulk]

https://thecelticstar.com/celtics-back-mcginn-2million-bid-plus-scott-allan

Got sent this this afternoon dunno if there is truth in it.

Some bits Might be true but they are a dilussional lot. In short as SJM is on low wages at Hibs we cant use Armstrong’s transfer to Southampton as a comparison - we should compare to the time when he left D.utd for Celtic. Hope Hibs play hardball here and don’t let that lot walk over us.

[Captain Trips]

Some bits Might be true but they are a dilussional lot. In short as SJM is on low wages at Hibs we cant use Armstrong’s transfer to Southampton as a comparison - we should compare to the time when he left D.utd for Celtic. Hope Hibs play hardball here and don’t let that lot walk over us.

Scott Brown was on peanuts if I remember rightly. Ok he has 1 yeear left but he should be worth alot more than the pish offered.

[MWHIBBIES]

We need to get Allan out of Parkhead before we sell McGinn down south otherwise the Allan price tag will mysteriously sky rocket.No it wont, be done a very similar deal to get McGeouch. If Allan doesn't happen initially it will later for a cheap price/no price.

[Waxy]

IMO this is already a done deal, and probably has been for a long time, all we are now doing is playing out the end game. Both clubs apparently playing hard ball to appease their own fans and a compromise will be made where the “best deal” is agreed. The other scenario is that SJM bides his time and signs a pre contract in January.
Again, IMO Celtic are operating from a strong position knowing that their ultimate replacement for Scott Brown wants to sign for them can wait until contract runs down. Don’t know what the final deal will be, but I think SJM is Parkhead bound.
Disclaimer. No inside info but 50 years experience hoping against hope that we are about to lose another talented player to the OF. This time I hope it benefits the club, but we are in a weak position.

GGTTH
Scottish Cup Winners 2016Sums it all up perfectly.The only thing that will change this is if we suddenly build a 60000 seat stadium and fill it every other week.

[Michael]

No it wont, be done a very similar deal to get McGeouch. If Allan doesn't happen initially it will later for a cheap price/no price.

He's saying if McGinn goes to England though

[JimboHibs]

Scott Brown was on peanuts if I remember rightly. Ok he has 1 yeear left but he should be worth alot more than the pish offered.

So how much was his peanuts of a wage ?

[brog]

Sorry but we're going to have to disagree on this one.
As I said before your version is as JC would want you to think. Squad at the time tell a very different story.

Yes you're right if we'd sold Brown/Thomson when they wanted to go, we probably would not have won the CIS Cup.
But difference is I was told JC wanted both Brown/Thomson out in that January window.

The Board didn't think this was in the interest of the Club and reluctantly agreed to sell Thomson.
Club gets a fee way above JC's valuation. But of course JC claims it was his deal!

Brown you'll not see him say a bad word about Hibs and when asked is very complimentary in the way he was dealt with after the window shut through to him leaving.
Ask him - I did. Club gets a valuation above that of JC - but of course JC claims it was his deal!!

On Fletch, Club were just following the policy they'd adopted years before in getting young players with potential on long term contracts.
Miller, Brown, Thomson, O'Connor, Murphy, Whittaker were all put on long term deals before being sold - but of course JC claims Fletch was his idea!!!

So, as I've been told it, if JC had got his way in that January window club would have sold Brown/Thomson for lower fees than we got and both players would have been gone before the CIS final. Would we have been happy with that? I think not. But that didn't so it's easy to claim a different story because of the positive outcome.

See there are two sides to a story. I know which one I believe as been told it by several players over the years, and not just those directly involved, but I'm sure you have you're reasons for believing you're side of things.

I have great memories of JC, as old enough to remember him as a young Hibs Player, and will always appreciate him taking over the team and the fabulous performance in the CIS Cup Final but after that it went completely wrong and his lack of man-management was found out. The Dunfermline Scot Cup Semi loss was just embarrassing and the team was on a downward spiral. Then when it comes to recruitment I just can't bear to type some of the names. Needless to say not one of them make my all-time Hibs team.

Firstly thanks for your detailed & informative posts. I really don't want to drag this out but let me add some clarifications.
#1, I don't know JC & my info doesn't come from him or anyone associated with him. I only posted about this originally because I was fed up with seeing RP being touted as a transfer wizard. RP was a rugby fan who had never seen a football game until STF brought him into Hibs. His negotiating tactics were 100% based on finance, he had zero feel or knowledge of the football market. #2 yes Fletch was originally on a long term contract but it was for sweeties. Overnight he went from lowest to highest paid player at ER. #3. JC's main fault with recruitment was that he relied too much on Tommy Craig. Both Brian Kerr & AOB played under TC at Newcastle. A 3rd ex Newcastle player sat in my living room after playing that day for Crystal Palace & advised TC had indicated an interest in him coming to ER. Thankfully, as he did nothing subsequently, we were miles apart on wages, but ironically his friend was v interested in coming to Hibs & he was still an EPL player last year.
That's it, as usual I suspect the true & full story is somewhere in the middle but I hope you'll appreciate I'm neither making things up nor repeating 2nd hand gossip.u

[Captain Trips]

So how much was his peanuts of a wage ?

It was not my description of his wages it was his agents.

[bingo70]

Derby county just accepted a £1.7m bid for Craig Bryson, wonder if that could trigger an offer for Mcginn.

[MWHIBBIES]

He's saying if McGinn goes to England thoughSo he is, ignore me. I'm dumb.

[HibbyAndy]

Derby county just accepted a £1.7m bid for Craig Bryson, wonder if that could trigger an offer for Mcginn.

Where is Bryson off to ?

[bingo70]

Where is Bryson off to ?

Cardiff.

Think he was on loan there last season

[Big_Franck]

Derby county just accepted a £1.7m bid for Craig Bryson, wonder if that could trigger an offer for Mcginn.

£1.7m for a 31 year old Scottish midfielder that wasn't good enough to get anywhere near the Scotland squad in recent times. Makes me wonder how much we might get for McGinn.

[nellio]

Was quality at Cardiff last year so glad we're (Cardiff) getting him cheap. Makes you wonder what SJM is worth though.

[MWHIBBIES]

£1.7m for a 31 year old Scottish midfielder that wasn't good enough to get anywhere near the Scotland squad in recent times. Makes me wonder how much we might get for McGinn.

Sadly has no relevance to the McGinn deal. Bryson has been a good player at a higher level for many years now.

[Ozyhibby]

Fulham looking at McGinn now? Peter Grant is there so will know McGinn well.


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[Dunfyhibee]

Fulham looking at McGinn now? Peter Grant is there so will know McGinn well.


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Seen someone mention this on twitter aswell mae, any idea where it's came from?

[Ozyhibby]

Nope, just seen it mentioned a couple of times.


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[McrHibee]

If Celtic seriously want him then they will have to pay. If not, they run the risk of missing out when he's free to agree higher wages at an English club come January, because they've saved on a transfer fee. If Hibs have any pretensions of being a top 2/3 club then they can't be bullied on this and McGinn's onfield value could over the course of this campaign only benefit the club if he remains for another season and leaves for free.

[Forza Fred]

Selling SJM reminds me of recent real estate transactions in my neck of the woods, and can be seen I guess on yon lifestyle programmes on selling houses.

Substitute SJM for the house, us for the owners and Celtic for the prospective buyers, and it’s similar.

The ‘owner’ feels almost invariably that his property is worth much more than being offered, partly due to emotional reasons, and frequently cites ‘the house up the road’ being sold for more, as justification for a higher price.

The buyer, however, looks on the purchase in a less emotional frame of mind, and generally will walk away and look elsewhere if the seller does not sufficiently move.

We will place a value on SJM that others don’t see, and the possibility exists that the sale will not go through...and eventually SJMwill move at no cost, or a much reduced cost in January.

Players, like houses, are only worth what someone else will pay for them....not on what we ‘think’ they should be.

[ekhibee]

Selling SJM reminds me of recent real estate transactions in my neck of the woods, and can be seen I guess on yon lifestyle programmes on selling houses.

Substitute SJM for the house, us for the owners and Celtic for the prospective buyers, and it’s similar.

The ‘owner’ feels almost invariably that his property is worth much more than being offered, partly due to emotional reasons, and frequently cites ‘the house up the road’ being sold for more, as justification for a higher price.

The buyer, however, looks on the purchase in a less emotional frame of mind, and generally will walk away and look elsewhere if the seller does not sufficiently move.

We will place a value on SJM that others don’t see, and the possibility exists that the sale will not go through...and eventually SJMwill move at no cost, or a much reduced cost in January.

Players, like houses, are only worth what someone else will pay for them....not on what we ‘think’ they should be.
Very true and well put :top marks

[NAE NOOKIE]

1.5 million even with Allan as a makeweight is nothing short of an insult … they got 7 million for Armstrong and want 25 million for Tierney …. Hibs should absolutely and unreservedly tell them to take their so called 'offer' and shove it right up their arse … insulting cheeky *******s. I would rather see SJM run down his contract and go for nothing.

[WhileTheChief..]

Very true and well put :top marks

I’m thinking the complete opposite!

If Celtic want McGinn they need to buy him now. Come January he can do a pre season with an English club on far higher wages as has already been mentioned.

If he goes South then Celtic can forget about ever affording to buy him back.

They knew fine well that Hibs wouldn’t accept their offer and they’ll come back with a vastly improved one, probably involving Allan.

Hibs hold all all the aces here. Not McGinn and certainly not Celtic.

I’m completed relaxed about the whole thing. Either we have him for a season then he goes for nowt with everyone’s best wishes, or we sell him now for a fee that our Board are happy with.

[Speedy]

Selling SJM reminds me of recent real estate transactions in my neck of the woods, and can be seen I guess on yon lifestyle programmes on selling houses.

Substitute SJM for the house, us for the owners and Celtic for the prospective buyers, and it’s similar.

The ‘owner’ feels almost invariably that his property is worth much more than being offered, partly due to emotional reasons, and frequently cites ‘the house up the road’ being sold for more, as justification for a higher price.

The buyer, however, looks on the purchase in a less emotional frame of mind, and generally will walk away and look elsewhere if the seller does not sufficiently move.

We will place a value on SJM that others don’t see, and the possibility exists that the sale will not go through...and eventually SJMwill move at no cost, or a much reduced cost in January.

Players, like houses, are only worth what someone else will pay for them....not on what we ‘think’ they should be.

As has already been covered, our 'house' absolutely has a value for us.

While we could get rid now and try our best to buy a suitable replacement, we could live in it for the next 12 months while we run the lease down. We could also run our family business from it quite successfully and get the additional income that comes with doing so.

Failing any of that we could always sell the house in January when there aren't as many houses available for sale.

Meanwhile the prospective buyer has sold a couple of high profile buy to let properties and has found that other sellers are playing hardball with the value of their houses as well.

[0762]

Firstly thanks for your detailed & informative posts. I really don't want to drag this out but let me add some clarifications.
#1, I don't know JC & my info doesn't come from him or anyone associated with him. I only posted about this originally because I was fed up with seeing RP being touted as a transfer wizard. RP was a rugby fan who had never seen a football game until STF brought him into Hibs. His negotiating tactics were 100% based on finance, he had zero feel or knowledge of the football market. #2 yes Fletch was originally on a long term contract but it was for sweeties. Overnight he went from lowest to highest paid player at ER. #3. JC's main fault with recruitment was that he relied too much on Tommy Craig. Both Brian Kerr & AOB played under TC at Newcastle. A 3rd ex Newcastle player sat in my living room after playing that day for Crystal Palace & advised TC had indicated an interest in him coming to ER. Thankfully, as he did nothing subsequently, we were miles apart on wages, but ironically his friend was v interested in coming to Hibs & he was still an EPL player last year.
That's it, as usual I suspect the true & full story is somewhere in the middle but I hope you'll appreciate I'm neither making things up nor repeating 2nd hand gossip.u

brog, I'm cool with your post and not suggesting you've made anything up. You'll see from mine that the only credit I gave Petrie was negotiating the actual sales of the players.
Setting the policy of signing players on long term deals will have been set by the Board and Petrie will have been acting as a Director of that Board.
It's pretty clear Petrie and JC didn't have a very good working relationship but to be honest there doesn't seem to be many people down Easter Rd that did like JC as Manager.
A theme that I believed continued at Livingston.

Fully agree on Tommy Craig and his influence over JC with players. Some of the worst signing I've ever seen in a Hibs jersey. Jonelit (excuse the spelling!) - I've played against better amateur players in my day.

Anyway happy to put this one to bed, which is just where I'm heading!!

[Hermit Crab]

It will be an undisclosed fee, nearly all Hibs transfers are.

[Hibs4185]

Selling SJM reminds me of recent real estate transactions in my neck of the woods, and can be seen I guess on yon lifestyle programmes on selling houses.

Substitute SJM for the house, us for the owners and Celtic for the prospective buyers, and it’s similar.

The ‘owner’ feels almost invariably that his property is worth much more than being offered, partly due to emotional reasons, and frequently cites ‘the house up the road’ being sold for more, as justification for a higher price.

The buyer, however, looks on the purchase in a less emotional frame of mind, and generally will walk away and look elsewhere if the seller does not sufficiently move.

We will place a value on SJM that others don’t see, and the possibility exists that the sale will not go through...and eventually SJMwill move at no cost, or a much reduced cost in January.

Players, like houses, are only worth what someone else will pay for them....not on what we ‘think’ they should be.

All very well but you have to buy a new house and the house depends on what you achieve for your own house.

If you don’t get the price you want, you are better keeping your house and waiting for the right deal to come along or stay where you are.

Again Hibs don’t need the money, of course it would be handy, but SJM may help us finish higher up the league and qualify for the European stages. Wishful thinking maybe but no need to accept silly offers.

[Springbank]

All very well but you have to buy a new house and the house depends on what you achieve for your own house.

If you don’t get the price you want, you are better keeping your house and waiting for the right deal to come along or stay where you are.

Again Hibs don’t need the money, of course it would be handy, but SJM may help us finish higher up the league and qualify for the European stages. Wishful thinking maybe but no need to accept silly offers.

Turned out the dispassionate prospective buyer was a local tramp.

Thankfully Fulham, Derby and Brighton buyers also showed up and théy were cash buyers, no mortgage required and no drama.

also the local buyer would have rubbed our noses in it by making us visit our much loved old house 4 times a season whereas the cash buyers from elsewhere save us from that.

[BILLYHIBS]

It should all kick off today! If Celtic really want SJM he has to be registered by them with EUFA for the CL. So it is pay up or shut up squeaky bum time.

We on the other hand have our own agenda and need to push on with the small matter of getting new recruits on board for the upcoming Europa League games and the new SPFL season.

Look forward to a bumpy ride.

[bingo70]

It should all kick off today! If Celtic really want SJM he has to be registered by them with EUFA for the CL. So it is pay up or shut up squeaky bum time.

We on the other hand have our own agenda and need to push on with the small matter of getting new recruits on board for the upcoming Europa League games and the new SPFL season.

Look forward to a bumpy ride.

They don’t need to have him in today, they’d still have until Monday to register one more player.

I think if we’re close though you’re right, they’d prefer to get this one over the line and leave the other available slot for someone else.

[KeithTheHibby]

They don’t need to have him in today, they’d still have until Monday to register one more player.

I think if we’re close though you’re right, they’d prefer to get this one over the line and leave the other available slot for someone else.

Well they will need to up their offer then the miserable pikey *******s that they are.

[blackpoolhibs]

Woke up this morning to a text from a good mate who has good contacts, and he said SJM was pulled last night because a deal was near. :boo hoo:

I'd imagine its the smellies, although hopefully these new admirers down south change things. :dunno:

[Heisenberg]

Woke up this morning to a text from a good mate who has good contacts, and he said SJM was pulled last night because a deal was near. :boo hoo:

I'd imagine its the smellies, although hopefully these new admirers down south change things. :dunno:

Parker said we rested a few players which seemed weird. Why are we needing to rest players after one pre season game?

Bet it was all an elaborate plan to make sure it didn’t look suspicious that just McGinn was missing :greengrin

[Big_Franck]

Parker said we rested a few players which seemed weird. Why are we needing to rest players after one pre season game?

Bet it was all an elaborate plan to make sure it didn’t look suspicious that just McGinn was missing :greengrin

I find that very strange if Parker said that. IMO we didn't arrange enough friendlies to prepare for the Europa League as it is, to 'rest' key players like Kamberi when they need game time the most is mental.

IF McGinn is moving lets get it done quickly and get Allan in time to play on Sunday.

[calumhibee1]

I find that very strange if Parker said that. IMO we didn't arrange enough friendlies to prepare for the Europa League as it is, to 'rest' key players like Kamberi when they need game time the most is mental.

IF McGinn is moving lets get it done quickly and get Allan in time to play on Sunday.

Agree with your last point. If it’s going to happen then let’s get it done and get any players that we’re getting in return a run out on Sunday before Europe.

[overdrive]

Jonelit (excuse the spelling!) - I've played against better amateur players in my day.

I’m not so sure many amateur players end up winning the Belgian league.

[scoopyboy]

I find that very strange if Parker said that. IMO we didn't arrange enough friendlies to prepare for the Europa League as it is, to 'rest' key players like Kamberi when they need game time the most is mental.

IF McGinn is moving lets get it done quickly and get Allan in time to play on Sunday.

It was always the intention.

Sunday's team will be very close if not identical to the team for the Europa first leg.

[scoopyboy]

They don’t need to have him in today, they’d still have until Monday to register one more player.

I think if we’re close though you’re right, they’d prefer to get this one over the line and leave the other available slot for someone else.

Have until 11pm Wednesday to register the extra player.

[GordonHFC]

We have until Wednesday but they have until Monday. They play on a Tuesday and Wednesday remember. We play on a Thursday.

[CapitalGreen]

It is 2 additional players that can be registered.

42.07 List A has to be submitted online by the following fixed deadlines:
a. 21 June 2018 (24.00CET) for all matches in the preliminary round;
b. 6 July 2018 (24.00CET) for all matches in the first qualifying round;
c. 20 July 2018 (24.00CET) for all matches in the second qualifying round;
d. 3 August 2018 (24.00CET) for all matches in the third qualifying round;
e. 17 August 2018 (24.00CET) for all matches in the play-offs;
f. 3 September 2018 (24.00CET) for all further matches from the first match in
the group stage up to and including the final.

42.08 For the qualifying phase and the play-offs, a club may register a maximum of two
new eligible players on List A after the above-mentioned deadlines, provided the
quota of locally trained players is respected. Such registration must be completed
by 24.00CET on the day before the relevant first-leg match and the club’s
association must confirm in writing that the new player is eligible to play at
domestic level at this time.

https://www.uefa.com/MultimediaFiles/Download/Regulations/uefaorg/Regulations/02/55/82/82/2558282_DOWNLOAD.pdf

[Bob Box Fish]

IMO too many people are hung up on Allan he would be a good signing but for me he is a luxury player. He goes missing far too often in matches. If we could get more from down south just forget about Celtic / Allan and get more money to buy other players. Celtic will probably value him higher ~1 million to offset the McGinn fee where in reality £250k is more realistic as he’s only been successful at hibs in recent times.

[EH54]

Allan played a major role in pushing us for second place. Allan for me was in the top two signings I wanted. Flo being first. I think he has a few games last year where he wasn't on his game but that's to be expected I don't think he was missing far too often. I can't see Celtic looking at anything near 250k for Allan nor do I think hibs would pay that for him. But when this sort of player becomes available its hard to pass up.

[BullsCloseHibs]

1.5 million even with Allan as a makeweight is nothing short of an insult … they got 7 million for Armstrong and want 25 million for Tierney …. Hibs should absolutely and unreservedly tell them to take their so called 'offer' and shove it right up their arse … insulting cheeky *******s. I would rather see SJM run down his contract and go for nothing.

Too damn right!

[brog]

brog, I'm cool with your post and not suggesting you've made anything up. You'll see from mine that the only credit I gave Petrie was negotiating the actual sales of the players.
Setting the policy of signing players on long term deals will have been set by the Board and Petrie will have been acting as a Director of that Board.
It's pretty clear Petrie and JC didn't have a very good working relationship but to be honest there doesn't seem to be many people down Easter Rd that did like JC as Manager.
A theme that I believed continued at Livingston.

Fully agree on Tommy Craig and his influence over JC with players. Some of the worst signing I've ever seen in a Hibs jersey. Jonelit (excuse the spelling!) - I've played against better amateur players in my day.

Anyway happy to put this one to bed, which is just where I'm heading!!

Funny enough, Joneleit was 100% a JC signing, as was Steven Pinau, last seen playing for my local team, Bromley! TBF though these were the right type of signings, low cost/high potential to be making at that time, they just didn't work out.

[Bob Box Fish]

Allan played a major role in pushing us for second place. Allan for me was in the top two signings I wanted. Flo being first. I think he has a few games last year where he wasn't on his game but that's to be expected I don't think he was missing far too often. I can't see Celtic looking at anything near 250k for Allan nor do I think hibs would pay that for him. But when this sort of player becomes available its hard to pass up.

What has Allan done in reality - Rotherham, Celtic and Dundee to justify anything above £250k ?

[brog]

IMO too many people are hung up on Allan he would be a good signing but for me he is a luxury player. He goes missing far too often in matches. If we could get more from down south just forget about Celtic / Allan and get more money to buy other players. Celtic will probably value him higher ~1 million to offset the McGinn fee where in reality £250k is more realistic as he’s only been successful at hibs in recent times.

I don't want to see a Hibs team stuffed with decent midfielders who only pass the ball sideways. It looks like we're going to lose our one midfielder who runs at defences & takes them on. In that case IMO it's even more imperative we get Scotty back. He is a rare breed these days, a player who can unlock a defence with one pass & also weigh in with vital goals. Scott is now my #1 pick since we got Flo on board.

[Allant1981]

IMO too many people are hung up on Allan he would be a good signing but for me he is a luxury player. He goes missing far too often in matches. If we could get more from down south just forget about Celtic / Allan and get more money to buy other players. Celtic will probably value him higher ~1 million to offset the McGinn fee where in reality £250k is more realistic as he’s only been successful at hibs in recent times.

sorry but he was one of our best players when he came back, to say he goes missing is just plain wrong

[keep the faith]

What has Allan done in reality - Rotherham, Celtic and Dundee to justify anything above £250k ?

His value in a hibs jersey is huge. They guy changes games for us. I get he hasn't done it elsewhere, but he seems to love it here and we need to get it done.

If mcginn goes to Celtic and we don't get Allan I will be seriously hacked off ( no matter how much they pay).

[EH54]

@York Hibees

Exactly what I have said, He's done very little but he's been superb at Hibs. Which is why I don't think his valuation will be as big as 250k. But I think you would be struggling to find a player of Scott Allan's ability for £250k anywhere else without Risk and Luck playing a massive part.

It's important we get him back though especially with loosing Dylan and possibly/Likely McGinn

[stoneyburn hibs]

sorry but he was one of our best players when he came back, to say he goes missing is just plain wrong

Opinions!
I agree he certainly doesn't go missing, and if he's on his game then he's on a par with SJM.

[BILLYHIBS]

sorry but he was one of our best players when he came back, to say he goes missing is just plain wrong
I felt Scott Allan put more of a shift in in his second spell than his first spell. He just looked glad to be back. His strip was covered in sweat after every game and I give you his superb volley against Hearts and the way he celebrated it as a thank you to the fans for welcoming him back into the fold.

Hibs v Berwick goals being shown on SSN just now.

[calumhibee1]

Opinions!
I agree he certainly doesn't go missing, and if he's on his game then he's on a par with SJM.

Scott Allan on his day is significantly better than SJM IMO. He’s had a few games at Hibs where he’s been astonishingly good, two of them against Rangers at ER. Only problem is that due to the fact he’s a risk taker he’ll have more poor games than SJM will have, but that’s the nature of the type of player he is.

[Hibbyradge]

If John McGinn was a Celtic player, or any other team for that matter, would people think it was a good use of our resources to pay £1.5m to get him on loan for 12 months?

I wouldn't be at all happy if we did that, but if we allow his contract to run down, that's in effect what we'd be doing.

As much as it would be satisfying to tell Celtc to ram it, it would be naive and irresponsible business.

[Allant1981]

I felt Scott Allan put more of a shift in in his second spell than his first spell. He just looked glad to be back. His strip was covered in sweat after every game and I give you his superb volley against Hearts and the way he celebrated it as a thank you to the fans for welcoming him back into the fold.

Hibs v Berwick goals being shown on SSN just now.

yip i agree, he certainly did not hide in games, if there is a slight chance to get him back at the club then i think it would be great

[Bob Box Fish]

As I said I think he’s a good player but I wouldn’t let Celtic fleece us with the Mcginn fee just to get him. I have confidence that lennon can find us alternatives- who would have thought he would find Flo and Mclaren in Jan ?

[calumhibee1]

As I said I think he’s a good player but I wouldn’t let Celtic fleece us with the Mcginn fee just to get him. I have confidence that lennon can find us alternatives- who would have thought he would find Flo and Mclaren in Jan ?

I don’t think we could get an alternative with anywhere near Scott Allan’s level of ability in our budget. Maybe a different type of midfielder, but not one of his style and substance.

[southern hibby]

Right my thinking I wouldn’t except Celtics next offer when it comes in. As a board I’d turn round and say sorry but NL thinks he’s worth more to the club than that or he’s worth X amount offer it or it’s no deal.

Play him on Sunday against Blackburn then if there are any interested English parties wanting him or swithering about a bid against Blackburn they can see him play against an English club and get a feel for him.

I still believe McGinn is desperate to join Celtic and that’s where he will end up but maybe just maybe the thought of £’s in the bank might persuade him otherwise.

GGTTH

[Bob Box Fish]

I don’t think we could get an alternative with anywhere near Scott Allan’s level of ability in our budget. Maybe a different type of midfielder, but not one of his style and substance.

Did we not spend approximately £200k development fee for Mcginn ?

[500miles]

I don’t think we could get an alternative with anywhere near Scott Allan’s level of ability in our budget. Maybe a different type of midfielder, but not one of his style and substance.

Is Stevie Mallan not that creative type? Danny Swanson too?

[BonnieFitbaTeam]

Selling SJM reminds me of recent real estate transactions in my neck of the woods, and can be seen I guess on yon lifestyle programmes on selling houses.

Substitute SJM for the house, us for the owners and Celtic for the prospective buyers, and it’s similar.

The ‘owner’ feels almost invariably that his property is worth much more than being offered, partly due to emotional reasons, and frequently cites ‘the house up the road’ being sold for more, as justification for a higher price.

The buyer, however, looks on the purchase in a less emotional frame of mind, and generally will walk away and look elsewhere if the seller does not sufficiently move.

We will place a value on SJM that others don’t see, and the possibility exists that the sale will not go through...and eventually SJMwill move at no cost, or a much reduced cost in January.

Players, like houses, are only worth what someone else will pay for them....not on what we ‘think’ they should be.


Maybe not the best analogy; amongst other things, if no-one offered the price we wanted for our house we wouldn't just give it away.

[KWJ]

Funny enough, Joneleit was 100% a JC signing, as was Steven Pinau, last seen playing for my local team, Bromley! TBF though these were the right type of signings, low cost/high potential to be making at that time, they just didn't work out.

Were they not both loans?

[McIntosh]

Fulham looking at McGinn now? Peter Grant is there so will know McGinn well.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk and have bid. Great family club, always had a soft spot for them used to live opposite their training ground at Motspur Park.Would be a great move for SJM.

[Greenworld]

No hence the big sell on fee
Did we not spend approximately £200k development fee for Mcginn ?

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[Bob Box Fish]

No hence the big sell on fee

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I may be wrong, I thought we paid 200k and agreed a sell on fee ?

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hibs/hibs-sign-midfielder-john-mcginn-on-four-year-deal-1-3845697/amp

[IWasThere2016]

If John McGinn was a Celtic player, or any other team for that matter, would people think it was a good use of our resources to pay £1.5m to get him on loan for 12 months?

I wouldn't be at all happy if we did that, but if we allow his contract to run down, that's in effect what we'd be doing.

As much as it would be satisfying to tell Celtc to ram it, it would be naive and irresponsible business.

100% this and we won't let this fee slip away.. it's just a game PL plays and we will sell for nearer £2m IMHO

[Greenworld]

and have bid. Great family club, always had a soft spot for them used to live opposite their training ground at Motspur Park.Would be a great move for SJM.That would be a great move for John. I was told a week ago if all goes well he would go to English premiership club but source wouldn't say who .
To me this fits well .
Any idea on the bid

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[CockneyRebel]

I don’t think we could get an alternative with anywhere near Scott Allan’s level of ability in our budget. Maybe a different type of midfielder, but not one of his style and substance.



And let's not kid ourselves, Celtic know how much we want him (even if they don't).

[McIntosh]

That would be a great move for John. I was told a week ago if all goes well he would go to English premiership club but source wouldn't say who .
To me this fits well .
Any idea on the bid

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2.5 million was the figure quoted though I suspect there may be tie-ons. I got the impression and it was only an impression that it was all an advanced stage.

When you think about it logically it would be a very, very good move for John. The question is what will have the final say his heart or his head.

[hibsbollah]

If John McGinn was a Celtic player, or any other team for that matter, would people think it was a good use of our resources to pay £1.5m to get him on loan for 12 months?

I wouldn't be at all happy if we did that, but if we allow his contract to run down, that's in effect what we'd be doing.

As much as it would be satisfying to tell Celtc to ram it, it would be naive and irresponsible business.

I'd agree with this, even at the risk of being called a Hibbyradge fanboy :greengrin

Getting hold of Scott Allan is the key factor here, its unrealistic to think we 'hold all the cards' because we don't..I'm not sure selling McGinn to an English club in the hope of getting more money, and then having to deal with a p'eed off Celtic, would make financial sense. It might cost more and we might miss out on Allan, who imo is going to have a big season for us.

[Hibbyradge]

I'd agree with this, even at the risk of being called a Hibbyradge fanboy :greengrin



:tee hee:

[Phil MaGlass]

I think we will be easy to deal with as we have had a few good players from sellik over the years and IMO Lennon wont wish to damage his relationship with Rodgers thus damaging any future moves for sellik players.IMO we will accept the next bid along with Allan keeping a good relationship intact, as I think Rodgers may well be at sellik for the foreseeable future. Thus my hoping for 5 mill will not appear.

Almost what Hibsbollah was saying

[brog]

Selling SJM reminds me of recent real estate transactions in my neck of the woods, and can be seen I guess on yon lifestyle programmes on selling houses.

Substitute SJM for the house, us for the owners and Celtic for the prospective buyers, and it’s similar.

The ‘owner’ feels almost invariably that his property is worth much more than being offered, partly due to emotional reasons, and frequently cites ‘the house up the road’ being sold for more, as justification for a higher price.

The buyer, however, looks on the purchase in a less emotional frame of mind, and generally will walk away and look elsewhere if the seller does not sufficiently move.

We will place a value on SJM that others don’t see, and the possibility exists that the sale will not go through...and eventually SJMwill move at no cost, or a much reduced cost in January.

Players, like houses, are only worth what someone else will pay for them....not on what we ‘think’ they should be.

Jeez Freddie, you've become a right boring b***ard. Sitting at home in Oz watching real estate programmes. Get yourself back to Embra for a taste of the high life with a pie & a pint in Middletons!! :wink:

[Greenworld]

2.5 million was the figure quoted though I suspect there may be tie-ons. I got the impression and it was only an impression that it was all an advanced stage.

When you think about it logically it would be a very, very good move for John. The question is what will have the final say his heart or his head.


yes would be good move a bit light on the fee side but I'm sure the club will be working on that at least it is competition and that drives the price up

[Springbank]

What Celtic have to figure is the Steven Fletcher factor

In other words, this is the ONLY chance they'll have of being able to afford John McGinn.

If he goes to Fulham, English Prem, does well, wages follow suit, then it will be Fletch all over again for them - McGinn does well and for all time to come after this summer Celtic will find they are outbid by a Burnley, a Wolves, a Sunderland, an Everton, whoever.

Not just in terms of fee but the wages that can be offered.

So, Celtic's one chance of getting John McGinn to play for them [at a wage they can afford] is in early July 2018

The clock is ticking, and £1.5m is approx 50% of value - do they just want his right foot, or do they want the left foot too?

Pay up or sit down, Lawell.

[Liam978]

I don't want to see a Hibs team stuffed with decent midfielders who only pass the ball sideways. It looks like we're going to lose our one midfielder who runs at defences & takes them on. In that case IMO it's even more imperative we get Scotty back. He is a rare breed these days, a player who can unlock a defence with one pass & also weigh in with vital goals. Scott is now my #1 pick since we got Flo on board.

Spot on as per usual Brian.

[Sioux]

I'd agree with this, even at the risk of being called a Hibbyradge fanboy :greengrin

Getting hold of Scott Allan is the key factor here, its unrealistic to think we 'hold all the cards' because we don't..I'm not sure selling McGinn to an English club in the hope of getting more money, and then having to deal with a p'eed off Celtic, would make financial sense. It might cost more and we might miss out on Allan, who imo is going to have a big season for us.

If McGinn wants to go to Celtic, and no one else, that's what will happen, whether now or January or next July. Of course, if Hibs can't agree a financial deal with Celtic, there is the possibility of Celtic bringing someone else in for this season, and then deciding they don't want/need McGinn at all. He'll need to be careful.

If he wants to go elsewhere now, and Hibs are happy with a fee offered, he can go.

Why would Celtic be pissed off if Hibs took a higher offer? Hibs can't force McGinn to sign for anyone, so he holds the aces to a large extent.

[Sioux]

What Celtic have to figure is the Steven Fletcher factor

In other words, this is the ONLY chance they'll have of being able to afford John McGinn.

If he goes to Fulham, English Prem, does well, wages follow suit, then it will be Fletch all over again for them - McGinn does well and for all time to come after this summer Celtic will find they are outbid by a Burnley, a Wolves, a Sunderland, an Everton, whoever.

Not just in terms of fee but the wages that can be offered.

So, Celtic's one chance of getting John McGinn to play for them [at a wage they can afford] is in early July 2018

The clock is ticking, and £1.5m is approx 50% of value - do they just want his right foot, or do they want the left foot too?

Pay up or sit down, Lawell.

Is JM the only midfielder in the world? Celtic will pay what they want to pay, or look elsewhere. Just because Celtic want him now doesn't mean they will want him in a couple of years or so, irrespective of what his value might be. Celtic won't 'pack it all in' just because they don't get McGinn.

[Stevie Reid]

Still don't get much of the outrage on here. If we end up with Scott Allan and over a million in cash for a player that cost us circa £100K four years ago, I'll be delighted.

After Kamberi was secured, Allan is our most important signing IMO.

[WhileTheChief..]

I'd agree with this, even at the risk of being called a Hibbyradge fanboy :greengrin

Getting hold of Scott Allan is the key factor here, its unrealistic to think we 'hold all the cards' because we don't..I'm not sure selling McGinn to an English club in the hope of getting more money, and then having to deal with a p'eed off Celtic, would make financial sense. It might cost more and we might miss out on Allan, who imo is going to have a big season for us.

Thing is Allan is simply a drain on their resources and Rodgers has already said he can go to Hibs.

Too much Celtic conspiracy crap going on here. We have a good working relationship with them and will get Allan no matter what happens with McGinn.

On a separate note, McGinn was keen on a move to Watford when they were interested last year.

Don’t know if their change of manager means they’re no longer interested but the more clubs sniffing around the better.

[BILLYHIBS]

Remember as far as valuation is concerned He is better than Zidane!

I just don’t think you understand !

[MyJo]

Remember as far as valuation is concerned He is better than Zidane!

I just don’t think you understand !

2m for the player and another £500k for the song that those muppets will ultimately steal when he does sign.

[Northern Hibby]

If he does go does he have to leave the prefix "super" at ER :confused:

[SquashedFrogg]

If he does go does he have to leave the prefix "super" at ER :confused:

Has there ever been a case that a players prefix was valued higher than the player themselves? "Super" is gonna cost anyone at least £5m :agree:

[calumhibee1]

Is Stevie Mallan not that creative type? Danny Swanson too?

They are, but I’d put my house on them not being as creative as Scott Allan. The guy is an assist machine. Someone who can chip in a few goals like he seems to have added to his game and assist with the frequency he does would normally be way out our budget. Mallan and Swanson wouldn’t offer what Allan does IMO.

[calumhibee1]

If he does go does he have to leave the prefix "super" at ER :confused:

Yup. He’ll have to leave it for Super Scotty Allan.

[500miles]

They are, but I’d put my house on them not being as creative as Scott Allan. The guy is an assist machine. Someone who can chip in a few goals like he seems to have added to his game and assist with the frequency he does would normally be way out our budget. Mallan and Swanson wouldn’t offer what Allan does IMO.

11 goals and 22 assists in his last season at Saints for Stevie Mallan. Even with limited appearances last season Danny's impact per minute is an assist every 165 minutes.

I'm not downplaying how good Allan is, just slightly concerned that we may lack a bit of balance in midfield next season if rumours come to fruition.

[Speedy]

If John McGinn was a Celtic player, or any other team for that matter, would people think it was a good use of our resources to pay £1.5m to get him on loan for 12 months?

I wouldn't be at all happy if we did that, but if we allow his contract to run down, that's in effect what we'd be doing.

As much as it would be satisfying to tell Celtc to ram it, it would be naive and irresponsible business.

I'd agree that is one way to look at it but the bigger picture is that we can't allow ourselves to be taken advantage of. It's all part of the negotiations.

[BonnieFitbaTeam]

If McGinn wants to go to Celtic, and no one else, that's what will happen, whether now or January or next July. Of course, if Hibs can't agree a financial deal with Celtic, there is the possibility of Celtic bringing someone else in for this season, and then deciding they don't want/need McGinn at all. He'll need to be careful.

If he wants to go elsewhere now, and Hibs are happy with a fee offered, he can go.

Why would Celtic be pissed off if Hibs took a higher offer? Hibs can't force McGinn to sign for anyone, so he holds the aces to a large extent.


Precisely.

It will ultimately be up to SJM who he signs for, nothing to do with Hibs - or, hopefully, Celtc.

[tamig]

Is Stevie Mallan not that creative type? Danny Swanson too?

None of them are comparable to SA.

[hibsbollah]

If McGinn wants to go to Celtic, and no one else, that's what will happen, whether now or January or next July. Of course, if Hibs can't agree a financial deal with Celtic, there is the possibility of Celtic bringing someone else in for this season, and then deciding they don't want/need McGinn at all. He'll need to be careful.

If he wants to go elsewhere now, and Hibs are happy with a fee offered, he can go.

Why would Celtic be pissed off if Hibs took a higher offer? Hibs can't force McGinn to sign for anyone, so he holds the aces to a large extent.

Im getting confused with all these card game metaphors. Do Celtic hold the aces? Do hibs? Where does four of a kind or a full house come into it?
Obviously you're correct that McGinn will decide in the end, but it's also true that our fee demands will affect the chances of him going toceltc or not.. Personally, I'm now resigned to him going and really want Allan to sign for us.

[Sioux]

Im getting confused with all these card game metaphors. Do Celtic hold the aces? Do hibs? Where does four of a kind or a full house come into it?
Obviously you're correct that McGinn will decide in the end, but it's also true that our fee demands will affect the chances of him going toceltc or not.. Personally, I'm now resigned to him going and really want Allan to sign for us.

And that would also apply to any other club. If Celtic offer £2m, and A N Other offers £1.5, Hibs won't be accepting £1.5m, therefore Celtic don't need to be pissed off.

I'm being swayed by the thought that Hibs won't do a deal with Celtic that is dependant on someone coming in the opposite direction. That will muddy the waters as far as St Mirren are concerned. A clean break with McGinn to wherever, and separate negotiations with other clubs over players, including maybe Celtic, would probably be more sensible.

If that means paying Celtic, within reason ,a fee for SA, so be it.

[MyJo]

Im getting confused with all these card game metaphors. Do Celtic hold the aces? Do hibs? Where does four of a kind or a full house come into it?
Obviously you're correct that McGinn will decide in the end, but it's also true that our fee demands will affect the chances of him going toceltc or not.. Personally, I'm now resigned to him going and really want Allan to sign for us.

I think I’m right I’m saying that Celtic hold all the aces unless someone else has top trumps but it depends on if they want to live in John McGinn or if Hibs can’t find somewhere else to live before we rent him out and ultimately demolish him in 12 months.

[Michael]

I think I’m right I’m saying that Celtic hold all the aces unless someone else has top trumps but it depends on if they want to live in John McGinn or if Hibs can’t find somewhere else to live before we rent him out and ultimately demolish him in 12 months.

You should write erotica.

[HibbyKeith]

Yup. He’ll have to leave it for Super Scotty Allan.


The song fits too.:singing:

[SquashedFrogg]

You should write erotica.

:faf:

[jacomo]

11 goals and 22 assists in his last season at Saints for Stevie Mallan. Even with limited appearances last season Danny's impact per minute is an assist every 165 minutes.

I'm not downplaying how good Allan is, just slightly concerned that we may lack a bit of balance in midfield next season if rumours come to fruition.


:agree:

Scott Allan is a good player but we have options (including one of our own in Fraser Murray, who could be a very good player indeed).

SJM has caught people’s attention for a reason and is only going to get better.

I know it’s very unlikely we can afford a new contract for him, but if he stays another season he can leave on a free and Celtc might be priced out of a move too.

The clock is ticking. If the lesser greens are serious about signing him they need to make a serious offer!

[Cardinal G]

What Celtic have to figure is the Steven Fletcher factor

In other words, this is the ONLY chance they'll have of being able to afford John McGinn.

If he goes to Fulham, English Prem, does well, wages follow suit, then it will be Fletch all over again for them - McGinn does well and for all time to come after this summer Celtic will find they are outbid by a Burnley, a Wolves, a Sunderland, an Everton, whoever.

Not just in terms of fee but the wages that can be offered.

So, Celtic's one chance of getting John McGinn to play for them [at a wage they can afford] is in early July 2018

The clock is ticking, and £1.5m is approx 50% of value - do they just want his right foot, or do they want the left foot too?

Pay up or sit down, Lawell.

My sentiments exactly. They take the Mick time and time again when they raid other Scottish clubs.
To me for 1.5 of which we will only end up with 1 million the best option is to let him run down his contract. Yes we lose million but could gain far more in Europa progression and cup plus league placing.

[Onion]

My sentiments exactly. They take the Mick time and time again when they raid other Scottish clubs.
To me for 1.5 of which we will only end up with 1 million the best option is to let him run down his contract. Yes we lose million but could gain far more in Europa progression and cup plus league placing.

SJM has been a great pro during all the speculation and might be one of the few players who would continue to give his all in a final year of contract. A fit, improving, committed John McGinn for a season or £1M in the bank ? Sooner have SJM.

[Famous Fiver]

I go back to the point I made some time ago.

Leicester have just paid £24 Million for Maddison who cannot lace John Mcginn's boots, and we are considering letting him go for £1.5 Million? In my opinion, McGinn is worth at least 4 times what Maddison is.

Can't get my head round it all.

[ancient hibee]

And I go back to the point I made some time ago that if McGinn gets us into the third round of Europa the club will make a million quid we didn’t have last season.

[SeanWilson]

I go back to the point I made some time ago.

Leicester have just paid £24 Million for Maddison who cannot lace John Mcginn's boots, and we are considering letting him go for £1.5 Million? In my opinion, McGinn is worth at least 4 times what Maddison is.

Can't get my head round it all.

If SJM was tied to is for 4 years or so, I could see us holding off and telling most bids to get Tae... In the current scenario where he can essentially go on a free as of Jan...makes sense for us to take what we can get. Get your point re difference in fee though, just the sad state of reality.

[Mikey]

I go back to the point I made some time ago.

Leicester have just paid £24 Million for Maddison who cannot lace John Mcginn's boots, and we are considering letting him go for £1.5 Million? In my opinion, McGinn is worth at least 4 times what Maddison is.

Can't get my head round it all.

No we're not. The bid was rejected.

[MyJo]

You should write erotica.

50 shades of David Gray.....coming soon


Pun intended!

[bingo70]

If SJM was tied to is for 4 years or so, I could see us holding off and telling most bids to get Tae... In the current scenario where he can essentially go on a free as of Jan...makes sense for us to take what we can get. Get your point re difference in fee though, just the sad state of reality.

He can't go for free in January, any club that wants him for free or doesnt want to meet our asking price will need to wait a full season. That's no good to a manager or club that want him now.

At this stage I still don't think there's much relevance to him being out of contract next summer.

[BegbieHSC]

Alan Nixon says Mallan will be in, once McGinn is sorted. Allan part of the deal

[IGRIGI]

If Mcginn goes and Allan and Malian come in I'll be happy with that.

With Swanson and Slivka in there also we'd be looking healthy in the midfield.

[Stevie Reid]

Alan Nixon says Mallan will be in, once McGinn is sorted. Allan part of the deal

Very happy with that.

[BegbieHSC]

Alan Nixon says Mallan will be in, once McGinn is sorted. Allan part of the deal

Realize my post sounds a lot more certain than he actually is. He’s hinting it’s more likely opposed to definitely.

[Stevie Reid]

Realize my post sounds a lot more certain than he is. He’s hinting it’s more likely than definitely.

Ah ok - would be very happy with that!

[BegbieHSC]

If Mcginn goes and Allan and Malian come in I'll be happy with that.

With Swanson and Slivka in there also we'd be looking healthy in the midfield.

Yip! Huge season for Slivka. Reckon he’ll come into his own, and be a key player this season.

[wookie70]

2m for the player and another £500k for the song that those muppets will ultimately steal when he does sign.

That's a bit cheeky given we stole the song

[Michael]

That's a bit cheeky given we stole the song

If St. Mirren really did invent the song then they'll get their share of the song money too.

[Stevie Reid]

If St. Mirren really did invent the song then they'll get their share of the song money too.

Was an Arsenal one for Ozil, I think?

[WoreTheGreen]

Sure it hertz about Molly Martin can’t remember or know to spell his name

[Titch]

Was an Arsenal one for Ozil, I think?
Was it no West Ham for payet??

[Stevie Reid]

Was it no West Ham for payet??

Could be. Someone told me it was Ozil but it's been sung for a few players.

[Jonnyboy]

Pretty sure it started with Will Grigg

[Billy Whizz]

Pretty sure it started with Will Grigg

His song was the Stokes/Keatings song I thought?
Stokesy’s on fire

[Springbank]

Pretty sure it started with Will Grigg

way out. it was Mickey Weir

[WeeRussell]

Could be. Someone told me it was Ozil but it's been sung for a few players.

First song to the tune I was aware of was “don’t sack Mackay” re Malky by cardiff (before the scandal)

May well have been sung about a few players prior to that!

[snooky]

50 shades of David Gray.....coming soon


Pun intended!

And the Kamberi Sutra

[SeanWilson]

He can't go for free in January, any club that wants him for free or doesnt want to meet our asking price will need to wait a full season. That's no good to a manager or club that want him now.

At this stage I still don't think there's much relevance to him being out of contract next summer.
Any club that wants him can have him for free in January... Waiting is a separate issue.

[ElginHibbie]

Any club that wants him can have him for free in January... Waiting is a separate issue.

Norwich could have had Maclean for free ion January but they still paid Aberdeen something, very weird situation like but if McGinn wants to be sure us and St Mirren get something could happen

Would be for a lot less money though

[CropleyWasGod]

Any club that wants him can have him for free in January... Waiting is a separate issue.

They can have his promise in January to join them for free, but he won't join them until the end of the season.

If he really wanted to sign for them in January, there would be a fee.

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[bingo70]

Any club that wants him can have him for free in January... Waiting is a separate issue.

No they can’t.

He’s contracted to us until next summer.

[SeanWilson]

They can have his promise in January to join them for free, but he won't join them until the end of the season.

If he really wanted to sign for them in January, there would be a fee.

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Obviously haven't been clear enough. I know this... Essentially can be had for free in January so long as they're willing to wait... Hence why I think we will try and command a fee this window. My point was more around the fact we are up against this scenario with regards to what we actually hold out for.

[SeanWilson]

No they can’t.

He’s contracted to us until next summer.

Yes, they can!

[ancient hibee]

Any club that wants him can have him for free in January... Waiting is a separate issue.

Sorry but that's rubbish.He's contracted to Hibs.

[bingo70]

Yes, they can!

I’m going to assume you know the contractual status and we’re splitting hairs in the wording.

The reality is if another club wants him they can’t buy him and play him in January for free, they’d need to wait until next summer, by which point the manager could have left, they could have got relegated, another club could have signed him, he may have signed a new contract with us, he could get injured, the club after him may have missed their target for the year by a small margin.

All in all a year is a lifetime in football for a team/manager and there’s so many variables that could happen between now and next summer a team is unlikely to wait that long to sign him, if they do plan on doing that another club will probably nip in first to get him.

I stand by my opinion that the fact he’s out of contract next summer is neither here nor there and won’t have much influence on his value this summer.

[Tynie01011973]

Yes, they can!

No they can't!

He can only sign a Pre-Contract agreement in January to join the new club once his existing contract expires next summer

[SeanWilson]

I’m going to assume you know the contractual status and we’re splitting hairs in the wording.

The reality is if another club wants him they can’t buy him and play him in January for free, they’d need to wait until next summer, by which point the manager could have left, they could have got relegated, another club could have signed him, he may have signed a new contract with us, he could get injured, the club after him may have missed their target for the year by a small margin.

All in all a year is a lifetime in football for a team/manager and there’s so many variables that could happen between now and next summer a team is unlikely to wait that long to sign him, if they do plan on doing that another club will probably nip in first to get him.

I stand by my opinion that the fact he’s out of contract next summer is neither here nor there and won’t have much influence on his value this summer.
Yes mate, splitting hairs. I just worded my first post wrongly. I'm perfectly aware of the permutations, however fact of the matter is... Anyone can have SJM for free in January, should he and said club be willing to let him play out the rest of the season with us.

[SeanWilson]

No they can't!

He can only sign a Pre-Contract agreement in January to join the new club once his existing contract expires next summer

Exactly.🙄

[Speedy]

It might just be me not paying attention but are pre-contracts in January becoming a lot rarer?

[HoboHarry]

Yes mate, splitting hairs. I just worded my first post wrongly. I'm perfectly aware of the permutations, however fact of the matter is... Anyone can have SJM for free in January, should he and said club be willing to let him play out the rest of the season with us.
Are you saying that if Celtic signed him on a pre-contract in January we would need their permission to play him in the second half of the season? The buying club can't prevent us playing him if no transfer is completed.....

[tamig]

Yes mate, splitting hairs. I just worded my first post wrongly. I'm perfectly aware of the permutations, however fact of the matter is... Anyone can have SJM for free in January, should he and said club be willing to let him play out the rest of the season with us.
You’ve got that bit totally wrong. The only thing that can happen for free in January is for SJM to sign a pre-contract. Him playing for us between that time and the end of the season has absolutely nothing to do with the other club. He’s our player until his contract expires at the end of the season.

[Since90+2]

Yes mate, splitting hairs. I just worded my first post wrongly. I'm perfectly aware of the permutations, however fact of the matter is... Anyone can have SJM for free in January, should he and said club be willing to let him play out the rest of the season with us.

They can't get him for free in January?

[SeanWilson]

Are you saying that if Celtic signed him on a pre-contract in January we would need their permission to play him in the second half of the season? The buying club can't prevent us playing him if no transfer is completed.....

😂😂 Of course not. I'm just being pedantic. If McGinn signs a pre with anyone else in January, he goes on a free; doesn't he? Hibs would inevitably receive nothing, wouldn't they? What's so hard to understand about what I'm saying?

[SeanWilson]

You’ve got that bit totally wrong. The only thing that can happen for free in January is for SJM to sign a pre-contract. Him playing for us between that time and the end of the season has absolutely nothing to do with the other club. He’s our player until his contract expires at the end of the season.

When I say he and said club let us, I mean via not having paid for his services up front and being willing to play out his contract with us, signing a pre...

[Jonnyboy]

His song was the Stokes/Keatings song I thought?
Stokesy’s on fire


Correct, Billy. Too much sun for me I reckon :greengrin

[HoboHarry]

😂😂 Of course not. I'm just being pedantic. If McGinn signs a pre with anyone else in January, he goes on a free; doesn't he? Hibs would inevitably receive nothing, wouldn't they? What's so hard to understand about what I'm saying?
What's hard about writing in a manner that isn't open to interpretation? What you wrote was very clearly wrong whether you meant it or not.

[superfurryhibby]

What's hard about writing in a manner that isn't open to interpretation? What you wrote was very clearly wrong whether you meant it or not.

Just stirring it, but totally agree. Statement is a statement, especially on here and I should know. Wrong, wrong, wrong:na na:

[tamig]

When I say he and said club let us, I mean via not having paid for his services up front and being willing to play out his contract with us, signing a pre...

Ok no probs. Thanks for clarifying but the wording was a bit ambiguous.

[The Green Goblin]

2m for the player and another £500k for the song that those muppets will ultimately steal when he does sign.

We can still sing it, just in the past tense:

We had McGinn
Super John McGinn
I just don't think you understood
Etc.

[CropleyWasGod]

We can still sing it, just in the past tense:

We had McGinn
Super John McGinn
I just don't think you understood
Etc.Only if we sell it, and they loan us it back for the season.

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[3pm]

We can still sing it, just in the past tense:

We had McGinn
Super John McGinn
I just don't think you understood
Etc.

We had McGinn, Super John McGinn
I just don’t think he understands
He’s signing for the ‘tic
It makes us ****in sick

[Jim44]

I read somewhere here that the folk on KS weren’t too keen on McGinn. I can’t really agree with that and think they are gagging to get him. One post that caught my eye over there said:

“Definitely happening and Hibs seemingly don't want Allan.Very good source.”

[SouthMoroccoStu]

I read somewhere here that the folk on KS weren’t too keen on McGinn. I can’t really agree with that and think they are gagging to get him. One post that caught my eye over there said:

“Definitely happening and Hibs seemingly don't want Allan.Very good source.”

Hibs don’t want Allan?!

More accurately, hibs don’t want to be held to ransom over Allan because Celtic want McGinn

Kerry Street is riddled with people “in the know” Celtic must have more leaks than the titanic and non seem to match

[calumhibee1]

I read somewhere here that the folk on KS weren’t too keen on McGinn. I can’t really agree with that and think they are gagging to get him. One post that caught my eye over there said:

“Definitely happening and Hibs seemingly don't want Allan.Very good source.”

I think that one can be filed under nonsense if they think we don’t want Allan.

[Springbank]

Fulham, Birmingham, Cardiff and Brighton all understood to be in talks with McGinn according to various local papers from those areas

Hibs valuation of £4m not proving a stumbling block for those fellas it would seem

[Hibs4185]

Fulham, Birmingham, Cardiff and Brighton all understood to be in talks with McGinn according to various local papers from those areas

Hibs valuation of £4m not proving a stumbling block for those fellas it would seem

Ask for £5m then!

[Phil MaGlass]

Im just about to unwrap a big I TOLD YOU SO :greengrin

[SHODAN]

Looks like Celtic are running out of time to make us the offer we want.

[Stuart93]

Fulham, Birmingham, Cardiff and Brighton all understood to be in talks with McGinn according to various local papers from those areas

Hibs valuation of £4m not proving a stumbling block for those fellas it would seem

Really hope one of them makes an offer then.

[B.H.F.C]

Fulham, Birmingham, Cardiff and Brighton all understood to be in talks with McGinn according to various local papers from those areas

Hibs valuation of £4m not proving a stumbling block for those fellas it would seem

Don’t normally get too sentimental about players. McGinn going to Celtic, if we were to get Allan as part of the deal, would probably be best for us.

But I really hope that McGinn goes down south for his sake. The likes of Fulham or Brighton would be a brilliant move and I honestly believe he has it in him to push on from that like Andy Robertson has. Six good months down there with the hype and press coverage is all it takes.

[JimboHibs]

Looks like Celtic are running out of time to make us the offer we want.

Does it ???

[Michael]

I think McGinn would do really well in the Premier League. Fulham would be a great move for him.

[jacomo]

I think McGinn would do really well in the Premier League. Fulham would be a great move for him.


At £4m or even £5m it’s a very low level risk for them.

They know they will get a guy who will bust a gut to get in the team and keep their other midfielders honest.

[Golden Bear]

£1.5 million plus Scott Allan from the smelly ones or in excess of £3 million from an English/Welsh club. ? It's a no brainer to me and we wouldn't have to endure John coming back to haunt us in the future.

[Blaster]

£1.5 million plus Scott Allan from the smelly ones or £3 million plus from an English/Welsh club. ? It's a no brainer to me and we wouldn't have to endure John coming back to haunt us in the future.

It’s a no brainer but all irrelevant if Mcginn only wants to go to Celtic

Hopefully he’ll want to go down south

[jacomo]

I think that one can be filed under nonsense if they think we don’t want Allan.


It’s not nonsense.

SA is bang average and frankly we are doing Celtc a favour if we take him off their hands.

:wink:

[The_Horde]

I read somewhere here that the folk on KS weren’t too keen on McGinn. I can’t really agree with that and think they are gagging to get him. One post that caught my eye over there said:

“Definitely happening and Hibs seemingly don't want Allan.Very good source.”

Part of me wants Mcginn to go there just so we can see their opinions change overnight. The other part of me wants to see him rip it up in England and GIRU them.

[tamig]

It’s a no brainer but all irrelevant if Mcginn only wants to go to Celtic

Hopefully he’ll want to go down south

I’m sure he’s said more than once that England is where he sees his future.

[Blaster]

I’m sure he’s said more than once that England is where he sees his future.

I’m sure I’ve said many times I’m never drinking again.....😄

I hope England is where he goes 👍

[RIP Bestie]

Fulham, Birmingham, Cardiff and Brighton all understood to be in talks with McGinn according to various local papers from those areas

Hibs valuation of £4m not proving a stumbling block for those fellas it would seem

They can't talk to the player without our permission. The only way we would give permission is if these clubs offered us what our valuation of the player is. So either we have accepted an offer or your information is nonsense and pure speculation.

[bigwheel]

They can't talk to the player without our permission. The only way we would give permission is if these clubs offered us what our valuation of the player is. So either we have accepted an offer or your information is nonsense and pure speculation 8

They will talk to his agent though. And I’m sure do These things are often done before
Player gets involved ..

[Unseen work]

If all these prem teams are willing to pay 4 million, I’m surprised we’ve not put it up another 500k or so.

[Springbank]

They can't talk to the player without our permission. The only way we would give permission is if these clubs offered us what our valuation of the player is. So either we have accepted an offer or your information is nonsense and pure speculation.

Fair do's - just passing on what the papers are saying about interest from down south.

Not heard any updates from Derby County for a while - anyone aware what Frank Lampard's position is about SJM?

[hfc rd]

I think if Hibs did ask those clubs down south that McGinn is yours for £5M, they wouldn’t even flinch at that price as it’s peanuts to them.

[Andy.1875]

They can't talk to the player without our permission. The only way we would give permission is if these clubs offered us what our valuation of the player is. So either we have accepted an offer or your information is nonsense and pure speculation.

If that was the case, why did we give permission for Celtic to speak with him when they were only prepared to offer 1.5 million? This was obviously not the clubs valuation of the player!

[GloryGlory]

If that was the case, why did we give permission for Celtic to speak with him when they were only prepared to offer 1.5 million? This was obviously not the clubs valuation of the player!

Where did you see the info that we had allowed Celtic to speak to him? It was reported that Celtic had bid and the bid was rejected by Hibs.

[Jim44]

I’ve got a feeling that this McGinn/Allan scenario will drift on till the last hour of the window. While they are desperate to get him, it’s not life or death whether they get him now or on a pre contract in January. Even if English clubs come in with bids, McGinn can say no. Who’ll blink first?

[DavidDavidGray]

Seen many Celtic pages on Instagram reporting that we’ve accepted a 2M plus Allan bid for John and he’s set to be announced on Monday. They’re fairly big pages aswell and are usually decent with this sorta stuff. Anyone got any insight as to whether or not it’s true?

[SHODAN]

Must be bollocks. Allan isn't worth 2M.

[GloryGlory]

Seen many Celtic pages on Instagram reporting that we’ve accepted a 2M plus Allan bid for John and he’s set to be announced on Monday. They’re fairly big pages aswell and are usually decent with this sorta stuff. Anyone got any insight as to whether or not it’s true?

Care to post some links?

[DavidDavidGray]

Care to post some links?

Links don’t normally work when I post them but the biggest account I saw reporting it was @celticcommunity .

[Captain Trips]

I think the signing of Mallan gives us a bit more strength in Mcginn deal if Celtc want him as Scott Allan might now not be as vital. Still want him though.

[Iggy Pope]

If that was the case, why did we give permission for Celtic to speak with him when they were only prepared to offer 1.5 million? This was obviously not the clubs valuation of the player!

Cmon now. Back that up with some facts.

[ancient hibee]

Cardiff and McGinn would be a good fit.I see a lot of the Cardiff boys have signed new contracts.

[Skol]

whats the score with being european cup tied if McGinn plays for Hibs in the Europa League ?

[HibbyKeith]

whats the score with being european cup tied if McGinn plays for Hibs in the Europa League ?

There is none. New rule means you cannot be cup tied in European competitions

reported here.. http://www.espn.co.uk/football/uefa-champions-league/story/3432917/champions-league-cup-tied-rule-abolished-what-does-it-mean

[Topographic Hibby]

whats the score with being european cup tied if McGinn plays for Hibs in the Europa League ?I asked this question on the main Summer transfer thread. The answer I was given is that Europa League and Champions League games are in different competitions.

So SJM can play for us in Europa games and subsequently play for the lesser greens in CL. No real “Cup-tied” effect, although I doubt he could play in Europa League for CFC if they crash out of CL, if he has already played for us.

[007]

Sounds like a deal with Celtic is not far away.

http://www.eveningtimes.co.uk/sport/16339778.brendan-rodgers-reveals-john-mcginn-is-set-to-sign-for-celtic-with-scott-allan-off-to-hibs/

[Heisenberg]

Sounds like a deal with Celtic is not far away.

http://www.eveningtimes.co.uk/sport/16339778.brendan-rodgers-reveals-john-mcginn-is-set-to-sign-for-celtic-with-scott-allan-off-to-hibs/

Going to be dreadful having to watch him line up against us.