Sky sports news Celtic bid for McGinn turned down

[Captain Trips]

A player's value is exactly what a club is willing to pay for him.

At the moment, McGinn is valued at around £2m.

If we don't sell him, he'll be off for nothing in 8 and a half months after the transfer window closes.

Which footballers do people think would be worth Hibs spending/losing £2m on for less than 9 months service?

Certainly not John McGinn, even though we'd really be showing Celtic.

No money to replace him next year, no money for the indoor pitch, an unhappy player for 8.5 months and Celtic with an extra £2m in the bank.

Aye, that would show them alright.

How can it be the value a club is willing to pay for him? Is it not just as much how much we are willing to accept?

If Celtics first offer and only offer was 500k would you have taken it as that would be all he is worth if no further bids?

Them selling a player of similar standard for £7m then coming to our door to get a player of similar standard for less than a third is IMO gauling.

[Baldy Foghorn]

How can it be the value a club is willing to pay for him? Is it not just as much how much we are willing to accept?

If Celtics first offer and only offer was 500k would you have taken it as that would be all he is worth if no further bids?

Them selling a player of similar standard for £7m then coming to our door to get a player of similar standard for less than a third is IMO gauling.

Agreed, although McGinn was a regular starter, Armstrong a fringe player. Staggering

[Captain Trips]

How would we all feel then if Mcginn said I want to go on a free next summer and want to stay for this one last season.

No £2m for players, no new pitch.

[mayo hibee]

The point here Ryan is that there can be numerous parties interested in the player but if he only wants to go to one club (and that is Celtic) the names and sizes of the other teams and bids are irrelevant

It's not necessarily as straight forward as that. If there are indeed genuine higher bids from English clubs (and none have been confirmed so far) it would need to be made clear that his options are the top bidders (and a big wage increase) or another year on his existing wage at Hibs. Any notion of waiting a year to sign for Celtic would disappear fairly quickly in that situation.

The other possibility of course is that Hibs are flying kites about supposed interest from England that isn't actually there. If that is the case Celtic are clearly holding the cards.

[CapitalGreen]

How can it be the value a club is willing to pay for him? Is it not just as much how much we are willing to accept?

If Celtics first offer and only offer was 500k would you have taken it as that would be all he is worth if no further bids?

Them selling a player of similar standard for £7m then coming to our door to get a player of similar standard for less than a third is IMO gauling.

Hibbyradge’s logic is flawed in that it suggests we should just accept the first bid we receive for a player if there is only one team in for them. Added to the fact he is having to inflate the amounts Hibs would receive for McGinn, ignoring St Mirrens cut to try and make his point suggests to me he knows it’s flawed himself.

[Captain Trips]

Agreed, although McGinn was a regular starter, Armstrong a fringe player. Staggering

They should be handing us that money and we should be asking for it. I might be on my own but I even think 3 or 4m is robbery.

[Dalianwanda]

Agreed, although McGinn was a regular starter, Armstrong a fringe player. Staggering

But Armstrong has more caps, more top league experience, league winner, Champions League experience............This has been done to death.

[CapitalGreen]

How would we all feel then if Mcginn said I want to go on a free next summer and want to stay for this one last season.

No £2m for players, no new pitch.

We’d only get £2m for players if the bid was in excess of £3m as St Mirren are due their cut. Hibs would accept a bid in excess of £3m.

[bigwheel]

How would we all feel then if Mcginn said I want to go on a free next summer and want to stay for this one last season.

No £2m for players, no new pitch.

Would look forward to watching him in a Hibs shirt this season......


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[Baldy Foghorn]

But Armstrong has more caps, more top league experience, league winner, Champions League experience............This has been done to death.

You think Armstrong is a better player, and merits the 7m fee?

[Dalianwanda]

You think Armstrong is a better player, and merits the 7m fee?

I think hes a decent player & obviously merits the fee if Southampton have paid it.

[tamig]

But Armstrong has more caps, more top league experience, league winner, Champions League experience............This has been done to death.

He doesn’t have more caps though.

[Ryan69]

The point here Ryan is that there can be numerous parties interested in the player but if he only wants to go to one club (and that is Celtic) the names and sizes of the other teams and bids are irrelevant

Surely you would see what options are there though.
Dont believe will goto Celtic for any less than £3 million.

[Dalianwanda]

He doesn’t have more caps though.
Good point, thats me shown up for lack of research :wink: I still stand by everything else though. I think Mcginn is a great player & obviously I want us to get as much as possible. Comparing him to the fee Celtic got for Armstrong is not comparing like with like.

[Captain Trips]

The lack of certain experience is used as an excuse to drag price down when it may suit. There are lots of young players sold for a lot more than Armstrong or Mcginn with far less experience they are signed on ability.

I believe Southampton think he is good player and I do not think the fee takes much more into consideration than ability first and foremost and will that player fit in. Experience yes to a point but IMO now way can Armstrong having more experience in a competion make him 3.5 times the value.

For me if Armstrong is a £7m value to Celtc then Mcginn should be to us where Celtc is concerned.

[Captain Trips]

Personally the £7m fee for Armstrong maybe that Southampton feel he is pretty important for them.

I think Celtc are not really that bothered as much hence the **** offers. If Brown was away or something might be different story.

John Mcginn is better than a punt and that's how I view Celtics offer. I think Rodgers wants him just in case turns out good.

[brog]

The lack of certain experience is used as an excuse to drag price down when it may suit. There are lots of young players sold for a lot more than Armstrong or Mcginn with far less experience they are signed on ability.

I believe Southampton think he is good player and I do not think the fee takes much more into consideration than ability first and foremost and will that player fit in. Experience yes to a point but IMO now way can Armstrong having more experience in a competion make him 3.5 times the value.

For me if Armstrong is a £7m value to Celtc then Mcginn should be to us where Celtc is concerned.

The more staggering comparison for me is that last season Celtc paid £1.25m for Jack Hendry, an uncapped player with about 50 games in total spent at Partick, Wigan, Shrewsbury, MKD & Dundee. To offer £250k more for McGinn is ludicrous. Hibbyradge says SJM is worth £2m but IIRC he also said we'd struggle to get 8k people into ER on Thursday. I suspect he may be about 50% out in his transfer valuation also!

[Blaster]

Just like Scott Brown did eh.

He clearly didn’t fancy it
Mcginn does apparently

[Blaster]

Better standard in Championship than up here though Blaster, Derby or someone similar would be a better challenge. They always get pumped in Europe.

He will be an instanst Scotland pick if he heads to Sellick though

I agree mate. I just think he has time on his side

[CapitalGreen]

The more staggering comparison for me is that last season Celtc paid £1.25m for Jack Hendry, an uncapped player with about 50 games in total spent at Partick, Wigan, Shrewsbury, MKD & Dundee. To offer £250k more for McGinn is ludicrous. Hibbyradge says SJM is worth £2m but IIRC he also said we'd struggle to get 8k people into ER on Thursday. I suspect he may be about 50% out in his transfer valuation also!

But he was only worth £250k more because that’s what Celtic were offering and a player is only worth what another club offers...

[Hibeewilly]

Surely you would see what options are there though.
Dont believe will goto Celtic for any less than £3 million.
My preference and probably every Hibbys preference would be for him to go to England or indeed anywhere apart from Scotland but my information is that he is going nowhere apart from Celtic

[Geo_1875]

But he was only worth £250k more because that’s what Celtic were offering and a player is only worth what another club offers...

Unless you don't sell him then your own valuation stands. Paul McStay was worth nothing according to your logic.

[CapitalGreen]

Unless you don't sell him then your own valuation stands. Paul McStay was worth nothing according to your logic.

It’s not my logic. I was applying Hibbyradges logic.

[MyJo]

A player's value is exactly what a club is willing to pay for him.

At the moment, McGinn is valued at around £2m.

If we don't sell him, he'll be off for nothing in 8 and a half months after the transfer window closes.

Which footballers do people think would be worth Hibs spending/losing £2m on for less than 9 months service?

Certainly not John McGinn, even though we'd "really be showing Celtic".

No money to replace him next year, no money for the indoor pitch, an unhappy player for 8.5 months and Celtic with an extra £2m in the bank.

Aye, that would show them alright.

The deal is not worth £2m to Hibs.

We have to give a third to St Mirren which brings the cash value down to £1.3m.

Most players receive a cut of any transfer fee received themselves, 10% is standard I think. that brings it down to £1.1m for Hibs.

Are Celtic going to pay us £1.1m cash in hand or is this going to be made up of instalment and/or milestone payments over the course of a 3 or 4 year contract?

Who are we going to sign to replace him? how much more are we going to have to spend in wages for that replacement? are we going to have to pay a transfer fee for them? What if they don't turn out to be as good as we hoped and we're stuck paying them for the next three years wasting the little bit of profit we have made from selling McGinn for below our valuation of him?

Could we achieve more as a team with McGinn in our squad for another year and earn the £1m we would miss out on through league placings and cup runs?

What happens when Celtic come calling for Porteous or Shaw in 3 or 4 years time with their lowballing tactics. Do we follow the pattern of behaviour in just accepting whatever they throw at us or do we stand up to them and say, pay what he is worth or we're happy to keep them like we did with McGinn?

[superfurryhibby]

It’s not my logic. I was applying Hibbyradges logic.

Sadly you are then lost to reason:wink:

[LeithMike]

The point here Ryan is that there can be numerous parties interested in the player but if he only wants to go to one club (and that is Celtic) the names and sizes of the other teams and bids are irrelevantTell that to Michael Owen. When leaving Real Madrid he was trying to force a cut price move back to Liverpool. Newcastle stepped in with a £15m+ bid and blew Liverpool out the water. Not sure how long Michael had left on his contract but he was left with the option of signing for Newcastle or staying at Madrid. He soon changed his mind and went to Newcastle. If a good English club want John and offer Hibs money that Celtic won't match then I'm sure John will think closely about it. It would also force Celtic to put up or shut up.

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[rotherhamrob]

The point here Ryan is that there can be numerous parties interested in the player but if he only wants to go to one club (and that is Celtic) the names and sizes of the other teams and bids are irrelevant
So a bit like the Scott allan situation a couple of years ago😎😎

[SRHibs]

How would we all feel then if Mcginn said I want to go on a free next summer and want to stay for this one last season.

No £2m for players, no new pitch.

Not good.

I’ve loved having SJM here, but we are in danger of things ending on a bit of a sour note. Hopefully we can come up with a deal which all parties are happy with.

[Stuart93]

People keep mentioning these English teams that are interested but have any of them actually made a bid yet? Until then I can only see him going to one team

[Sioux]

My preference and probably every Hibbys preference would be for him to go to England or indeed anywhere apart from Scotland but my information is that he is going nowhere apart from Celtic

You're ITK then?

Spill.

[Hibeewilly]

You're ITK then?

Spill.
Not really in the know Sioux but something I have been told from a very good source so felt it was worthwhile to share it on here

[Jim44]

As long as there are no or no decent English offers, McGinn gets his wish to go to Parkhead as long as we get a good cash deal + players. I will be cheesed off if we get decent offers from England but we let McGinn have his way and we lose out on the deal.

[cabbageandribs1875]

As long as there are no or no decent English offers, McGinn gets his wish to go to Parkhead as long as we get a good cash deal + players. I will be cheesed off if we get decent offers from England but we let McGinn have his way and we lose out on the deal.



:agree: he certainly won't be 'thinking of hibs and st,mirren' if this happens

[Cod Boy]

I was at east mains this morning laddies World Cup tournament. Some of the first team training and Mcginn was one of them.

[where'stheslope]

The deal is not worth £2m to Hibs.

We have to give a third to St Mirren which brings the cash value down to £1.3m.

Most players receive a cut of any transfer fee received themselves, 10% is standard I think. that brings it down to £1.1m for Hibs.

Are Celtic going to pay us £1.1m cash in hand or is this going to be made up of instalment and/or milestone payments over the course of a 3 or 4 year contract?

Who are we going to sign to replace him? how much more are we going to have to spend in wages for that replacement? are we going to have to pay a transfer fee for them? What if they don't turn out to be as good as we hoped and we're stuck paying them for the next three years wasting the little bit of profit we have made from selling McGinn for below our valuation of him?

Could we achieve more as a team with McGinn in our squad for another year and earn the £1m we would miss out on through league placings and cup runs?

What happens when Celtic come calling for Porteous or Shaw in 3 or 4 years time with their lowballing tactics. Do we follow the pattern of behaviour in just accepting whatever they throw at us or do we stand up to them and say, pay what he is worth or we're happy to keep them like we did with McGinn?
Its called the real world!
Any player going into his last year, has to look at the big picture for himself not the club, as at the end of the year if the player has not worked out he can be told to go!!!
In McGinn's case, he can move to Celtic now and give the money to us, or wait till Christmas and sign for them for nothing!!
I'm surprised that Championship teams in England at least have not called?
Have we missed something that they see?
Either way, we could lose one of our best players for nothing, and that sucks!!!!!

[shetlandhibee]

The deal is not worth £2m to Hibs.

We have to give a third to St Mirren which brings the cash value down to £1.3m.

Most players receive a cut of any transfer fee received themselves, 10% is standard I think. that brings it down to £1.1m for Hibs.

Are Celtic going to pay us £1.1m cash in hand or is this going to be made up of instalment and/or milestone payments over the course of a 3 or 4 year contract?

Who are we going to sign to replace him? how much more are we going to have to spend in wages for that replacement? are we going to have to pay a transfer fee for them? What if they don't turn out to be as good as we hoped and we're stuck paying them for the next three years wasting the little bit of profit we have made from selling McGinn for below our valuation of him?

Could we achieve more as a team with McGinn in our squad for another year and earn the £1m we would miss out on through league placings and cup runs?

What happens when Celtic come calling for Porteous or Shaw in 3 or 4 years time with their lowballing tactics. Do we follow the pattern of behaviour in just accepting whatever they throw at us or do we stand up to them and say, pay what he is worth or we're happy to keep them like we did with McGinn?this is where im at 100%:top marks:agree:

[we are hibs]

This needs resolved asap. We really can't afford to be going into the start of the league season with all this confusion

[JimboHibs]

This needs resolved asap. We really can't afford to be going into the start of the league season with all this confusion

And where has all this confusion came from 🙄

[Iggy Pope]

This needs resolved asap. We really can't afford to be going into the start of the league season with all this confusion

Wouldn't imagine the confusion on here affects the Hibs in the slightest.

[JimboHibs]

Wouldn't imagine the confusion on here affects the Hibs in the slightest.

At last a voice of reason 👍

[bingo70]

Wouldn't imagine the confusion on here affects the Hibs in the slightest.

I don’t think there’s just confusion on here.

Lennon mentioned the other day he expects him to leave, when he does go that’ll be a big boost that our transfer budget......until he goes we can’t spend that money.

[Famous Fiver]

When McGinn was training this morning, was he showing any sign of injury?

Just asking.

[CropleyWasGod]

When McGinn was training this morning, was he showing any sign of injury?

Just asking.

Just the cup tied to his thigh.

[Iggy Pope]

I don’t think there’s just confusion on here.

Lennon mentioned the other day he expects him to leave, when he does go that’ll be a big boost that our transfer budget......until he goes we can’t spend that money.

Did he sound confused though?

[heid the baw]

Whilst I imaging he will go to Celtic next week, it is not just a case of we need a million in order to move on with transfers. We also need a strong team and if we were to sell McGinn, a Scotland regular, for less than 2 million, a lot of fans would be unhappy. If money is all about then why not flip Kamberi to Sunderland as well while we are a it. Scottish cup win, numerous hun skelpings, best derby run in most folks lifetime, hampden trips, Europe and some lovely silky football which brings the fans back. McGinn was a huge part of that and if we were to get another full season out of him, who knows what that is worth. Just because he is free to sign a pre-contract in January does not automatically mean he will be moping about East Mains disrupting things.

[Tug Wilson]

Whilst I imaging he will go to Celtic next week, it is not just a case of we need a million in order to move on with transfers. We also need a strong team and if we were to sell McGinn, a Scotland regular, for less than 2 million, a lot of fans would be unhappy. If money is all about then why not flip Kamberi to Sunderland as well while we are a it. Scottish cup win, numerous hun skelpings, best derby run in most folks lifetime, hampden trips, Europe and some lovely silky football which brings the fans back. McGinn was a huge part of that and if we were to get another full season out of him, who knows what that is worth. Just because he is free to sign a pre-contract in January does not automatically mean he will be moping about East Mains disrupting things.

This

[seanoheimhin]

Whilst I imaging he will go to Celtic next week, it is not just a case of we need a million in order to move on with transfers. We also need a strong team and if we were to sell McGinn, a Scotland regular, for less than 2 million, a lot of fans would be unhappy. If money is all about then why not flip Kamberi to Sunderland as well while we are a it. Scottish cup win, numerous hun skelpings, best derby run in most folks lifetime, hampden trips, Europe and some lovely silky football which brings the fans back. McGinn was a huge part of that and if we were to get another full season out of him, who knows what that is worth. Just because he is free to sign a pre-contract in January does not automatically mean he will be moping about East Mains disrupting things.

Yessss!

If we don’t get what we want fee-wise, the benefits of keeping him could be worth more. Depends on SJM being highly professional though...

[superfurryhibby]

Its called the real world!
Any player going into his last year, has to look at the big picture for himself not the club, as at the end of the year if the player has not worked out he can be told to go!!!
In McGinn's case, he can move to Celtic now and give the money to us, or wait till Christmas and sign for them for nothing!!
I'm surprised that Championship teams in England at least have not called?
Have we missed something that they see?
Either way, we could lose one of our best players for nothing, and that sucks!!!!!

In the real world McGinn cannot sign for them at Christmas. He can sign a pre contract agreement from January 2019 and join them in almost one year from now. As an aside it’s Celtic that give us the money not Mc Ginn and in the real world McGinn will no doubt end up signing for the side that offers him the best deal, and that may not turn out to be Celtic.

[wills]

Why not have a swap deal with Celtic,they can have SJM we will take Tierney, I’m sure they would jump at offer.
Throughout the years I’ve followed Hibs we have always been short changed by the west coast mafia. As LD stated John McGinns valve is on the pitch, if they won’t match our valuation I’d happily keep him for the remainder of his contract

[O'Rourke3]

Is is that how the money works? I assumed the money per round wasn’t cumulative. Surely Aberdeen would rather be in our position and have an extra round of games so they are £240k better offOr get more prep time, know who their opponents are and be able to see them in action, be one round closer to the league

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[O'Rourke3]

How would we all feel then if Mcginn said I want to go on a free next summer and want to stay for this one last season.

No £2m for players, no new pitch.Be happy. Could help get second and win a cup. St M get hee haw and we get the same money

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[Hibbyradge]

Hibbyradge’s logic is flawed in that it suggests we should just accept the first bid we receive for a player if there is only one team in for them. Added to the fact he is having to inflate the amounts Hibs would receive for McGinn, ignoring St Mirrens cut to try and make his point suggests to me he knows it’s flawed himself.

I didn't say we should accept the first bid, of course not.

John McGinn is worth to us exactly as much as we get offered by the end of the transfer window, or before if we like the offer.

If the best offer we get is £1m, £2m or £35k, that's how much he's worth in the open market. I'm not sure how that can be denied.

If we don't accept the offer, he becomes worthless financially. We get the use of him for 8.5 months so we can debate how much that's worth, I guess.

[Hibbyradge]

The lack of certain experience is used as an excuse to drag price down when it may suit. There are lots of young players sold for a lot more than Armstrong or Mcginn with far less experience they are signed on ability.

I believe Southampton think he is good player and I do not think the fee takes much more into consideration than ability first and foremost and will that player fit in. Experience yes to a point but IMO now way can Armstrong having more experience in a competion make him 3.5 times the value.

For me if Armstrong is a £7m value to Celtc then Mcginn should be to us where Celtc is concerned.

I wonder why Southampton didn't bid for McGinn. Or why anyone else hasn't bid, so far. :dunno:

[Hibbyradge]

The more staggering comparison for me is that last season Celtc paid £1.25m for Jack Hendry, an uncapped player with about 50 games in total spent at Partick, Wigan, Shrewsbury, MKD & Dundee. To offer £250k more for McGinn is ludicrous. Hibbyradge says SJM is worth £2m but IIRC he also said we'd struggle to get 8k people into ER on Thursday. I suspect he may be about 50% out in his transfer valuation also!

I haven't said I value McGinn at anything. I said his value is what we get offered. I thought we'd been offered
£2m. If we haven't, then he's currently worth less.

You may think your house is worth £250k. If you put it up for sale and the best offer you get is £195k, how much is it really worth?

[CapitalGreen]

I didn't say we should accept the first bid, of course not.

John McGinn is worth to us exactly as much as we get offered by the end of the transfer window, or before if we like the offer.

If the best offer we get is £1m, £2m or £35k, that's how much he's worth in the open market. I'm not sure how that can be denied.

If we don't accept the offer, he becomes worthless financially. We get the use of him for 8.5 months so we can debate how much that's worth, I guess.

I fundamentally disagree with your second paragraph. To boil a players value to a club down to only their open market value is far too simplistic. There are intangibles and replacement cost to take into consideration.

Hypothetical situation: Hibs are offered £100k for Player X, after reviewing the transfer market the scouting department determines that a like for like replacement of Player X would be £200k. What is the value of Player X to Hibs?

The current open market value of McGinn based on the most recent offer is circa £2m, Hibs would net somewhere between £1-1.3m after St Mirren’s cut and fees. The discussion is whether this ~£1m is above or below the added value having McGinn in our squad for this season would bring the club.

Suggested benefits are:
- Stronger team providing greater sporting success leading competition progression and higher league position providing prize money, TV revenue and increased profile.
- Squad consistency, we wouldn’t be losing 2 key members of our midfield at the same time. More time to identify an able replacement.
- Show clubs we won’t be lowballed in the future.

[shetlandhibee]

i stick by what i said more than a week ago, 2.5m plus scot allan will get the deal done. IMO celtic will value scot allan at about 500k :agree:

[matty_f]

I fundamentally disagree with your second paragraph. To boil a players value to a club down to only their open market value is far too simplistic. There are intangibles and replacement cost to take into consideration.

Hypothetical situation: Hibs are offered £100k for Player X, after reviewing the transfer market the scouting department determines that a like for like replacement of Player X would be £200k. What is the value of Player X to Hibs?

The current open market value of McGinn based on the most recent offer is circa £2m, Hibs would net somewhere between £1-1.3m after St Mirren’s cut and fees. The discussion is whether this ~£1m is above or below the added value having McGinn in our squad for this season would bring the club.

Suggested benefits are:
- Stronger team providing greater sporting success leading competition progression and higher league position providing prize money, TV revenue and increased profile.
- Squad consistency, we wouldn’t be losing 2 key members of our midfield at the same time. More time to identify an able replacement.
- Show clubs we won’t be lowballed in the future.

You're right, it's too simplistic to say that what someone offers is what a player is worth.

If that was the case why would any club pay a transfer fee ever?

Everyone could (in theory) just offer nothing and let the player go to whoever paid the most, and if the 'selling' club complained the buyers would just revert to "they're only worth what someone will pay".

Hibs are able to put a value on a player's worth. Assessing the value isn't just down to the buyer, that's not how sales work.

[Captain Trips]

I haven't said I value McGinn at anything. I said his value is what we get offered. I thought we'd been offered
£2m. If we haven't, then he's currently worth less.

You may think your house is worth £250k. If you put it up for sale and the best offer you get is £195k, how much is it really worth?

If you sell it its worth £195k, so if you reject offer what's it worth?

So I assume then you think SJM is worth £1.5m then a few days later changed it to £1.75m?

You only take what somebody offers as the value then? rather than what the other party will accept?

If this is case are you selling anything at all?

[superfurryhibby]

i stick by what i said more than a week ago, 2.5m plus scot allan will get the deal done. IMO celtic will value scot allan at about 500k :agree:

As many have pointed out, Allan is unlikely to be part of any deal. However, there is no way Allan will have a transfer value approaching 500k.

Do agree that 2.5 million would probably clinch the deal though.

[CapitalGreen]

I haven't said I value McGinn at anything. I said his value is what we get offered. I thought we'd been offered
£2m. If we haven't, then he's currently worth less.

You may think your house is worth £250k. If you put it up for sale and the best offer you get is £195k, how much is it really worth?

Price and Value are not necessarily the same and the value of an asset may differ to different people.

[Hibbyradge]

I fundamentally disagree with your second paragraph. To boil a players value to a club down to only their open market value is far too simplistic. There are intangibles and replacement cost to take into consideration.

Hypothetical situation: Hibs are offered £100k for Player X, after reviewing the transfer market the scouting department determines that a like for like replacement of Player X would be £200k. What is the value of Player X to Hibs?

The current open market value of McGinn based on the most recent offer is circa £2m, Hibs would net somewhere between £1-1.3m after St Mirren’s cut and fees. The discussion is whether this ~£1m is above or below the added value having McGinn in our squad for this season would bring the club.

Suggested benefits are:
- Stronger team providing greater sporting success leading competition progression and higher league position providing prize money, TV revenue and increased profile.
- Squad consistency, we wouldn’t be losing 2 key members of our midfield at the same time. More time to identify an able replacement.
- Show clubs we won’t be lowballed in the future.

People have been telling me that Ronaldo, at 33, isn't worth €100m.

I've replied that he is worth that because that's what Nice paid.

If the best offer we get for McGinn is £10m or £1m, that will be his market value.

How much is your car worth, if no-one wants to pay it?

I don't know what Celtc have offered for McGinn, I thought it was £2m, but would you pay that amount out to borrow him for 8.5 months?

I wouldn't.

[Hibbyradge]

If you sell it its worth £195k, so if you reject offer what's it worth?

So I assume then you think SJM is worth £1.5m then a few days later changed it to £1.75m?

You only take what somebody offers as the value then? rather than what the other party will accept?

If this is case are you selling anything at all?

He's worth what we can get for him.

I've been trying to sell a golf bag for £50. I've been offered £30. How much is it worth?

I really don't understand why we're arguing about it.

[CapitalGreen]

People have been telling me that Ronaldo, at 33, isn't worth €100m.

I've replied that he is worth that because that's what Nice paid.

If the best offer we get for McGinn is £10m or £1m, that will be his market value.

How much is your car worth, if no-one wants to pay it?

I don't know what Celtc have offered for McGinn, I thought it was £2m, but would you pay that amount out to borrow him for 8.5 months?

I wouldn't.

1. Market value does not necessarily equal the value to asset holder (in this case Hibs). As described in the hypothetical situation above, when replacement cost is greater than the price you could get on the market, the value of player to the club may be higher.

2. As explained to you multiple times, a £2m bid would be closer to net £1m for Hibs.

[Captain Trips]

He's worth what we can get for him.

I've been trying to sell a golf bag for £50. I've been offered £30. How much is it worth?

I really don't understand why we're arguing about it.

It's worth £50 to you and £30 to person that wants it, you then decide if you are prepared to sell it for less than you think it's worth. Where is the initial £50 value you have placed on it come from?

The price something is sold for does not mean that's its value.

[Hibbyradge]

1. Market value does not necessarily equal the value to asset holder (in this case Hibs). As described in the hypothetical situation above, when replacement cost is greater than the price you could get on the market, the value of player to the club may be higher.

2. As explained to you multiple times, a £2m bit would be closer to net £1m for Hibs.

Hibs want to sell him.

The sell on clause affects how much Hibs get, not how much the buyer pays.

I hope we sell him for £5m. If the best offer on 31 August is £1.75m, then we've overestimated his market value.

His non appearance on Thursday makes me think it's a certainty that he's leaving.

If that's the case, and Lennon has suggested it is, how can you argue that he's worth more to us than were offered?

[Hibbyradge]

It's worth £50 to you and £30 to person that wants it, you then decide if you are prepared to sell it for less than you think it's worth. Where is the initial £50 value you have placed on it come from?

The price something is sold for does not mean that's its value.

Of course that's correct.

How much is 8.5 months of John McGinn worth to Hibs? The answer to that is the same answer to my question which keeps getting avoided.

Would you pay £1.75m for that? Or even £750k?

[Captain Trips]

Hibs want to sell him.

The sell on clause affects how much Hibs get, not how much the buyer pays.

I hope we sell him for £5m. If the best offer on 31 August is £1.75m, then we've overestimated his market value.

His non appearance on Thursday makes me think it's a certainty that he's leaving.

If that's the case, and Lennon has suggested it is, how can you argue that he's worth more to us than were offered?

So if the only offer for SJM was £100k you would agree that is what he is worth then? You only take what somebody offers for a player as his worth?

[marinello59]

So if the only offer for SJM was £100k you would agree that is what he is worth then? You only take what somebody offers for a player as his worth?

If the ONLY offer was £100k then that would be exactly what he was worth. That’s how a market place works.

[Hibbyradge]

So if the only offer for SJM was £100k you would agree that is what he is worth then? You only take what somebody offers for a player as his worth?

No. Of course I wouldn't take that, but that would be his market value.

We've been offered £1.75m though, haven't we?

[Captain Trips]

Of course that's correct.

How much is 8.5 months of John McGinn worth to Hibs? The answer to that is the same answer to my question which keeps getting avoided.

Would you pay £1.75m for that? Or even £750k?

I'm not avoiding anything I am talking about his value today not about his value for 8 months at Hibs.

Celtics offer is irrelevant to me a player of that ability is worth north of £3m to me regardless of what he is sold for.

[Captain Trips]

No. Of course I wouldn't take that, but that would be his market value.

We've been offered £1.75m though, haven't we?

Never mind the 1.75m why would you not have sold him for 100k if that was only bid?

[CapitalGreen]

If the ONLY offer was £100k then that would be exactly what he was worth. That’s how a market place works.

I’m sorry but that’s nonsense, football clubs don’t operate in a perfect market. Again, market price is being conflated with value/worth.

If the only offer was £100k and it would cost £200k for a like-for-like replacement, what is the player worth to the club? 100k?

If the only offer was £100k and the player is responsible for an increase of £150k worth of merchandise and ticket sales, what is the player worth to the club? 100k?

If the only offer was £100k and the player stays and scores the winning goal get them into the group stages of the Europa League, what is the player worth to the club? 100k?

[Captain Trips]

If the ONLY offer was £100k then that would be exactly what he was worth. That’s how a market place works.

Sorry but that is nonsense. What's he worth if we say no? £100k,nothing?

[Hibbyradge]

Never mind the 1.75m why would you not have sold him for 100k if that was only bid?

Oh come on. Seriously?

Ok.

We can't buy an indoor training pitch for £100k.

We can't pay a player's wages for 3 years for £100k.

I wouldn't sign for £100k over 3 years.

And as you say, it would only be worth £70k to Hibs.

[greenlex]

I’m sorry but that’s nonsense, football clubs don’t operate in a perfect market. Again, market price is being conflated with value/worth.

If the only offer was £100k and it would cost £200k for a like-for-like replacement, what is the player worth to The club? 100k?

If the only offer was £100k and the player is responsible for and increase of £150k worth of merchandise and ticket sales, what is the player worth to the club? 100k?

If the only offer was £100k and the player stays and scores the winning goal get them into the group stages of the Europa League, what is the player worth to the club? 100k?
Every scenario is a potential worth rather than an actual worth. If he had a career ending injury happened before these thing happened then none of that is realised. The swish of a pen and it’s cash in the bank. That’s his real worth. Whatever someone is prepared to pay.

[Hibbyradge]

I’m sorry but that’s nonsense, football clubs don’t operate in a perfect market. Again, market price is being conflated with value/worth.

If the only offer was £100k and it would cost £200k for a like-for-like replacement, what is the player worth to the club? 100k?

If the only offer was £100k and the player is responsible for an increase of £150k worth of merchandise and ticket sales, what is the player worth to the club? 100k?

If the only offer was £100k and the player stays and scores the winning goal get them into the group stages of the Europa League, what is the player worth to the club? 100k?

How much would you pay to get John McGinn to play for us for 8.5 months? That's how much he's worth. To you.

His market value is what someone else is willing to pay for him

[BegbieHSC]

I love SJM, and would love for him to stay.

Realistically though, that’s not going to happen, and this should be concluded asap. I trust the club to get the best deal for him.

Lord forbid this situation gets sour and have the likes of Keith Jackson doing headlines like ‘My Hibs Hell,’ with apparent “quotes” around walking over broken glass.

[CapitalGreen]

How much would you pay to get John McGinn to play for us for 8.5 months? That's how much he's worth. To you.

His market value is what someone else is willing to pay for him

I’d sell him for a price of at least £2.5m, netting us close to £1.5m which would far exceed potential prize money for a run the Europa League 4th Qualifying round and/or Hampden appearances. It would also be a significant increase from Celtic’s initial offer of £1.5m indicating to clubs we can’t be lowballed in the future. I also believe that a figure of at least £2.5m would alleviate any negative goodwill towards the club for selling our star player “cheap”.

[Captain Trips]

I love SJM, and would love for him to stay.

Realistically though, that’s not going to happen, and this should be concluded asap. I trust the club to get the best deal for him.

Lord forbid this situation gets sour and have the likes of Keith Jackson doing headlines like ‘My Hibs Hell,’ with apparent “quotes” around walking over broken glass.

Record Exclusive:

It is understood John McGinn assaulted every single Hibs player today as they walked off after training.

[Captain Trips]

Bottom line for me is I see this as nothing more than Celtc trying to land him as a punt rather than knowing exactly how he will fit in.

They are trying to buy him because they can. That is what these offers tell me.

[Hibbyradge]

I’d sell him for a price of at least £2.5m, netting us close to £1.5m which would far exceed potential prize money for a run the Europa League 4th Qualifying round and/or Hampden appearances. It would also be a significant increase from Celtic’s initial offer of £1.5m indicating to clubs we can’t be lowballed in the future. I also believe that a figure of at least £2.5m would alleviate any negative goodwill towards the club for selling our star player “cheap”.

Yep, that would be good. I hope we get that or more.

However, you avoided my question again.

[CapitalGreen]

Yep, that would be good. I hope we get that or more.

However, you avoided my question again.

For the reasons I explained above I believe the value to Hibs of McGinn remaining a Hibs player is any price up to £2.5m. This exceeds what his value to Hibs would be if he wasn’t currently a Hibs player.

So to answer your question, while a current Hibs player I wouldn’t sell McGinn for any price below £2.5m but if he wasn’t currently a Hibs player I would not spend a significant amount to acquire his services for 8.5 months.

[Hibbyradge]

For the reasons I explained above I believe the value to Hibs of McGinn remaining a Hibs player is any price up to £2.5m. This exceeds what his value to Hibs would be if he wasn’t currently a Hibs player.

So to answer your question, while a current Hibs player I wouldn’t sell McGinn for any price below £2.5m but if he wasn’t currently a Hibs player I would not spend a significant amount to acquire his services for 8.5 months.

Cheers for the answer. I don't quite understand the logic, but it's late.

Night.

[Hibeesmad]

I don’t think Hibs would reject £2.5m

[Dashing Bob S]

Bottom line for me is I see this as nothing more than Celtc trying to land him as a punt rather than knowing exactly how he will fit in.

They are trying to buy him because they can. That is what these offers tell me.

I doubt McGinn will be impressed by that behavior. He has the stature in the Scottish game to go there as a Scott Brownesque first team pick, rather than a squad player. He also has the savvy to realize that the Scott Allan/Ryan Christie route has little appeal. I can see him going south.

[bawheid]

CapitalGreen winning the last couple of pages of debate hands down.

If your house is valued at £400,000 and someone makes an offer of £250,000 you don’t just accept the offer because that must be the value of the house. You reject the offer and either wait for a better one, or don’t sell the house.

[Since90+2]

CapitalGreen winning the last couple of pages of debate hands down.

If your house is valued at £400,000 and someone makes an offer of £250,000 you don’t just accept the offer because that must be the value of the house. You reject the offer and either wait for a better one, or don’t sell the house.

Different situations. In the house analogy if you would lose it for nothing in 10 months time you might be inclined to take 250k.

[bawheid]

Different situations. In the house analogy if you would lose it for nothing in 10 months time you might be inclined to take 250k.

It really depends how much you enjoy living in the house, whether you really needed the £250k and whether you could host events at the house over the 10 months that might net you just as much or more than £250k.

[Since90+2]

It really depends how much you enjoy living in the house, whether you really needed the £250k and whether you could host events at the house over the 10 months that might net you just as much or more than £250k.

Well that wouldn't be possible in a house would it? Hence why the analogy doesn't work.

[bingo70]

CapitalGreen winning the last couple of pages of debate hands down.

If your house is valued at £400,000 and someone makes an offer of £250,000 you don’t just accept the offer because that must be the value of the house. You reject the offer and either wait for a better one, or don’t sell the house.

I agree with the principles but I don’t think that’s a great analogy.

If your house value is depreciating all the time and you need to move in a year at the latest there comes a point you have to cut your losses and just sell, even if you are disappointed with the figure you’re getting.

[bawheid]

Well that wouldn't be possible in a house would it? Hence why the analogy doesn't work.

The analogy works in that value isn’t only about what a buyer is willing to pay. The seller’s situation comes into it too. Which I think is the point CapitalGreen has been making.

In the house analogy you would also have to consider what your wife thought about you accepting an offer £150k below your valuation. Further, when you came to sell your next property, buyers in the town would know that you were a soft touch when it came to negotiating a fair price.

[bawheid]

I agree with the principles but I don’t think that’s a great analogy.

If your house value is depreciating all the time and you need to move in a year at the latest there comes a point you have to cut your losses and just sell, even if you are disappointed with the figure you’re getting.

Yes, the analogy isn’t perfect. In our case we can get significant enjoyment and revenue out of keeping the house an extra 10 months. We also don’t absolutely have to sell in order to acquire our next house. That may not necessarily be the case with an actual property

[Sioux]

The analogy works in that value isn’t only about what a buyer is willing to pay. The seller’s situation comes into it too. Which I think is the point CapitalGreen has been making.

In the house analogy you would also have to consider what your wife thought about you accepting an offer £150k below your valuation. Further, when you came to sell your next property, buyers in the town would know that you were a soft touch when it came to negotiating a fair price.

Stop it!
:faf:

[MrSmith]

House analogy doesn’t work due to law and legal process, a new car analogy might though?

[Springbank]

House analogy doesn’t work due to law and legal process, a new car analogy might though?

A stuart Armstrong analogy doesnt harm either....

[ekhibee]

No bids from down south so far, contrary to what most people here probably hoped. Maybe the price tag Hibs have put on him will catch the eye of some of them. I really don't think being a current Scottish internationalist means that much down south, but that's just my opinion. Remember there's been a lot of English-based players playing for Scotland in recent times, a lot of them huddies. Don't quite know how interested Celtic are. It's not like they couldn't meet Hibs' valuation of him. Maybe they'll hang fire for a while and see if any other bids come in for him in the next couple of weeks or so. If not they'll make a final bid. Probably.

[blackpoolhibs]

Not really sure why Radge keeps mentioning 8.5 months in every post he makes, its one whole season, a quarter of his whole contract.

See what i did there, made it sound a bit longer. :wink:

[Jim44]

No bids from down south so far, contrary to what most people here probably hoped. Maybe the price tag Hibs have put on him will catch the eye of some of them. I really don't think being a current Scottish internationalist means that much down south, but that's just my opinion. Remember there's been a lot of English-based players playing for Scotland in recent times, a lot of them huddies. Don't quite know how interested Celtic are. It's not like they couldn't meet Hibs' valuation of him. Maybe they'll hang fire for a while and see if any other bids come in for him in the next couple of weeks or so. If not they'll make a final bid. Probably.

...... meanwhile, I hope McGinn’s dead leg makes a miraculous recovery for Thursday. It would be terrible if he picked up a knock in training on Wednesday. :rolleyes:

[Hibbyradge]

Yes, the analogy isn’t perfect. In our case we can get significant enjoyment and revenue out of keeping the house an extra 10 months. We also don’t absolutely have to sell in order to acquire our next house. That may not necessarily be the case with an actual property

We absolutely do have to sell if we want to build an indoor play area.

The house analogy doesn't work because you can stay in it for as long as you want. It isn't able to sign a pre-contract with another householder in January.

We're just repeating the same points but I'll ask this once again.

How much would people be prepared to pay in order to secure John McGinn's services for 8.5 months?

Because that is in effect what we would be doing if we keep him and let him walk for nothing next May.

[Hibbyradge]

Not really sure why Radge keeps mentioning 8.5 months in every post he makes, its one whole season, a quarter of his whole contract.

See what i did there, made it sound a bit longer. :wink:

Let's assume Hibs get to the Scottish cup final on 25 May then.

That's nearly 9 full months from when the transfer window closes.

See what I did there?

I made it sound a bit more accurate. :greengrin

[bingo70]

Not really sure why Radge keeps mentioning 8.5 months in every post he makes, its one whole season, a quarter of his whole contract.

See what i did there, made it sound a bit longer. :wink:

I agree.

A year is as good as a lifetime in a managerial career so the fact he only has a year left on his deal means nothing at this stage imo.

Only once this transfer window closes will we see a huge reduction in value in the January transfer window.

[Juniper Greens]

Let's assume Hibs get to the Scottish cup final on 25 May then.

That's nearly 9 full month's from when the transfer window closes.

See what I did there?

I made it sound a bit more accurate. :greengrin

And 10 months from now

[Hibbyradge]

And 10 months from now

Yes. We can keep him without losing anything for another 6 weeks and I certainly would like to, assuming that we'll actually play him.

The decision is what to do on 31 August.

[RoYO!]

What a grim read, this thread of late. So to clarify, there’s been no further rumours regarding further interest?

[18Craig75]

What a grim read, this thread of late. So to clarify, there’s been no further rumours regarding further interest?

Just pages and pages of arguments about how to measure value and poor analogies and hundreds of very poor cup tied jokes.

Roll on the season starting.


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[Jim44]

We absolutely do have to sell if we want to build an indoor play area.

The house analogy doesn't work because you can stay in it for as long as you want. It isn't able to sign a pre-contract with another householder in January.

We're just repeating the same points but I'll ask this once again.

How much would people be prepared to pay in order to secure John McGinn's services for 8.5 months?

Because that is in effect what we would be doing if we keep him and let him walk for nothing next May.


Celtic are the only club which would be paying for 8.5 month’s services because they are guaranteed to get him for free the following season. All other clubs would be paying for a longer period of time, ie the length of contract they offer him. So it’s oversimplifying the issue and essentially Celtic would be paying for the 8.5 month’s services but also, and more importantly, to keep him out of reach of all other clubs. How much is it worth to them to pay for that protection?

[Hibbyradge]

Celtic are the only club which would be paying for 8.5 month’s services because they are guaranteed to get him for free the following season. All other clubs would be paying for a longer period of time, ie the length of contract they offer him. So it’s oversimplifying the issue and essentially Celtic would be paying for the 8.5 month’s services but also, and more importantly, to keep him out of reach oo all other clubs. How much is it worth to them to pay for that protection?

I meant hypothetically, if he was attached to another club and we tried to get him. We would be forgoing £1.75m to keep him for a further 8.5 months, assuming no increased bids are received.

I don't want Hibs to accept Celtic's offer right now. I think we should wait until the end of the transfer window and see who comes in for him.

But, I think we're past the stage where we can keep him and let him go for nowt.

[Col2]

He will go to Celtic in next week or so for a higher fee of say £2.5m. It will be undisclosed to save face on both clubs position. Weggie media will say Hibs bucked, EEN will say Hibs got good deal.

We will then look to buy a replacement (scouting system will have several identified) and we will have an agreed fee with Celtic re Allan which will be concluded soon and we will get Maclaren back either on loan or perm.

Left winger will remain priority.

[matty_f]

Let's assume Hibs get to the Scottish cup final on 25 May then.

That's nearly 9 full month's from when the transfer window closes.

See what I did there?

I made it sound a bit more accurate. :greengrin

The rogue apostrophe made it sound less accurate, if anything. :greengrin

[Hibbyradge]

The rogue apostrophe made it sound less accurate, if anything. :greengrin

Damn you autocorrect.

[lord bunberry]

We absolutely do have to sell if we want to build an indoor play area.

The house analogy doesn't work because you can stay in it for as long as you want. It isn't able to sign a pre-contract with another householder in January.

We're just repeating the same points but I'll ask this once again.

How much would people be prepared to pay in order to secure John McGinn's services for 8.5 months?

Because that is in effect what we would be doing if we keep him and let him walk for nothing next May.
I very much doubt that building an indoor playing area will be dependent on us selling McGinn. It’s a requirement for project brave, and I would be very surprised if the board signed up to brave without having a plan for funding the indoor area. There’s already talk of involving the local council and making it a community facility.
The club is being run by in a very professional manner and I doubt they would commit to a major plan in the hope that a player might be sold down the line.

[where'stheslope]

In the real world McGinn cannot sign for them at Christmas. He can sign a pre contract agreement from January 2019 and join them in almost one year from now. As an aside it’s Celtic that give us the money not Mc Ginn and in the real world McGinn will no doubt end up signing for the side that offers him the best deal, and that may not turn out to be Celtic.
You've not grasped my point, Celtic can offer us £20 million tomorrow and John McGinn can say no thanks I'm staying, then come the next transfer window, sign a pre-contract agreement for them and we get nothing??????
And by that scenario, McGinn loses us money, but plays on for us for a further year, unless we come to an agreement for his last 6 months.

[superfurryhibby]

You've not grasped my point, Celtic can offer us £20 million tomorrow and John McGinn can say no thanks I'm staying, then come the next transfer window, sign a pre-contract agreement for them and we get nothing??????
And by that scenario, McGinn loses us money, but plays on for us for a further year, unless we come to an agreement for his last 6 months.

Yes, I think I understand that.

My point is that he is contracted to Hibs for another season, he can sign pre contract with anyone he likes. We don’t lose him for nothing in January like you said, we lose him at the end of June 2019.

It’s been well discussed on here that declining to sell at the price supoosedly offered, minus St Mirren’s cut and other deductions, may not be a huge gamble for Hibs. Losing money is not a given in this scenario, if the side do well in fhe league, cup runs, europa run etc.

[Brooster]

I said in March £2.5m plus Allan plus 1 more on loan. I still stand by that. All this posturing is a sham.

[Stevie Reid]

I said in March £2.5m plus Allan plus 1 more on loan. I still stand by that. All this posturing is a sham.

Would be a tremendous bit of business.

[H18 SFR]

Two Celtic minded mates hearing that Celtic have withdrawn from negotiations.

[Billy Whizz]

Two Celtic minded mates hearing that Celtic have withdrawn from negotiations.

Hopefully been outbid by an English team

[cabbageandribs1875]

Two Celtic minded mates hearing that Celtic have withdrawn from negotiations.





huffy gits :greengrin

[SirDavidsNapper]

Two Celtic minded mates hearing that Celtic have withdrawn from negotiations.

I'd be absolutely delighted if that's the case

[Heisenberg]

Using total guesswork I think he’ll be gone before Thursday.

[Pagan Hibernia]

I'd be absolutely delighted if that's the case

All very well but what about Scott Allan? I want that lad pulling the strings in our midfield

[Waxy]

It’s all very well having an good relationship with a bigger club. We cant let them take the Mickey though. Perhaps an Other club will pay better wages to SJM than Celtic.

[green day]

Two Celtic minded mates hearing that Celtic have withdrawn from negotiations.

Tell them that it's not a negotiation when you bid a pathetic amount in the full knowledge that it's way below the other parties expectation.

Negotiation is coming to an agreement acceptable to both parties.

About time these fannies got it through their thick skulls.

[Big_Franck]

Tell them that it's not a negotiation when you bid a pathetic amount in the full knowledge that it's way below the other parties expectation.

Negotiation is coming to an agreement acceptable to both parties.

About time these fannies got it through their thick skulls.

100%. I hope they have given up with their shan offers. We'll have our best player for another year or we'll get good money from down south and won't have to watch him playing for them. **** Celtc.

[Sioux]

Two Celtic minded mates hearing that Celtic have withdrawn from negotiations.

I'm sure this is nonsense. By all accounts there is nothing to negotiate. Either they pay what Hibs want or they don't.

[SouthMoroccoStu]

Sorry if previously posted, but anyone else concerned that Celtic will to totally chuck the you out the pram over this?

We sell McGinn to an English club, but then they have a bitter and unrealistic price for Allan and any other future player of interest

Without using the words, would a lesser fee and player + loan be better to keep the “special relationship” with Celtic (I feel dirty just saying it) but they have a massive stranglehold over Scottish and the pool of talent within it, is it worth keep on their good side

Ducks and runs for cover

[B.H.F.C]

Sorry if previously posted, but anyone else concerned that Celtic will to totally chuck the you out the pram over this?

We sell McGinn to an English club, but then they have a bitter and unrealistic price for Allan and any other future player of interest

Without using the words, would a lesser fee and player + loan be better to keep the “special relationship” with Celtic (I feel dirty just saying it) but they have a massive stranglehold over Scottish and the pool of talent within it, is it worth keep on their good side

Ducks and runs for cover

F*** Celtic and who cares what they think. We do what’s right for us.

[green day]

Sorry if previously posted, but anyone else concerned that Celtic will to totally chuck the you out the pram over this?

We sell McGinn to an English club, but then they have a bitter and unrealistic price for Allan and any other future player of interest

Without using the words, would a lesser fee and player + loan be better to keep the “special relationship” with Celtic (I feel dirty just saying it) but they have a massive stranglehold over Scottish and the pool of talent within it, is it worth keep on their good side

Ducks and runs for cover

No. It's not a special relationship when one is a bully and one is subservient.

Ask Theresa May

[CropleyWasGod]

No. It's not a special relationship when one is a bully and one is subservient.

Ask Theresa MayYou never read 50 Shades? [emoji848]

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[jacomo]

All very well but what about Scott Allan? I want that lad pulling the strings in our midfield


Looks like Stevie Mallan fancies that role.

[Keith_M]

You never read 50 Shades? [emoji848]

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50 Shades of Orange?

[The_Horde]

Looks like Stevie Mallan fancies that role.

Much better when he dropped deep on Thursday I thought. Scott Allan also played deeper last time he was here.

[Smartie]

Sorry if previously posted, but anyone else concerned that Celtic will to totally chuck the you out the pram over this?

We sell McGinn to an English club, but then they have a bitter and unrealistic price for Allan and any other future player of interest

Without using the words, would a lesser fee and player + loan be better to keep the “special relationship” with Celtic (I feel dirty just saying it) but they have a massive stranglehold over Scottish and the pool of talent within it, is it worth keep on their good side

Ducks and runs for cover

They can then go try bullying someone else and see if they get away with it.

They might, they might not.

If we let them bully us now, they'll continue to do so.

[SouthMoroccoStu]

F*** Celtic and who cares what they think. We do what’s right for us.

But that’s my point

If keeping on side with them IS right for us then what

Ps I agree with your first sentence

[SouthMoroccoStu]

They can then go try bullying someone else and see if they get away with it.

They might, they might not.

If we let them bully us now, they'll continue to do so.

But because of their power over Scottish football they will continue to bully us and anyone else who has a player they want

Least they haven’t gone gone the #handitin press route the Huns tried with Allan the first time round

[Smartie]

But because of their power over Scottish football they will continue to bully us and anyone else who has a player they want

Least they haven’t gone gone the #handitin press route the Huns tried with Allan the first time round

If we don't give in to them when they try to get a bit wide with us (as they appear to be doing this time) then they might think twice about this being the best way to deal with us in future.

We've done well in our dealings with them in the recent past, as have they with us. If they want to continue to have a win/win relationship then they can continue as they have in the past.

If they want to try it on they can beat it.

All they have to do is pay the going rate for a talented young Internationalist, and allow us to pay the going rate for a fringe player of theirs who is realistically never going to make an impact on their first team.

[hibbydog]

Celtic can **** off for all I care.

Yes, I’d really love to see Scott Allan in a hibs strip again.

Yes, the St Mirren situation means it makes total sense to get players rather than money.

But we can’t be so subservient. If they offer something that is acceptable to us, then we can talk.

But if they’re going to insult us with derisory offers, they can do one. They’re not the only club with enough money for SJM.

Delighted that we have Dempster and Petrie fighting our corner.

We will get an outcome that’s best for us.

[Greenworld]

It's great stuff guessing however a fanatical hearts fan has said deal will be done tomorrow...I love it here said 3.6 million plus Allan is being offered tomorrow.
When I wake up sober let's see lol

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[superfurryhibby]

Celtic can **** off for all I care.

Yes, I’d really love to see Scott Allan in a hibs strip again.

Yes, the St Mirren situation means it makes total sense to get players rather than money.

But we can’t be so subservient. If they offer something that is acceptable to us, then we can talk.

But if they’re going to insult us with derisory offers, they can do one. They’re not the only club with enough money for SJM.

Delighted that we have Dempster and Petrie fighting our corner.

We will get an outcome that’s best for us.

If players are included in the deal then their transfer values will be considered when taking into account money due to St Mirren.

[neil7908]

But that’s my point

If keeping on side with them IS right for us then what

Ps I agree with your first sentence

It's a good question and this is where it comes into fans views versus the folk running the club who should be thinking coldly and logically about our long term future.

What is crucial is how much we value and want Scott Allan and how we hard we think it would be to bring in an equivalent player of his ability. If a team from England offer us £3m but Celtic come in with £2.5m plus Scott Allan then we have a decision. Allan probably isn't worth £500k but can we find a better attacking midfielder to bring in? If not then the best way things for the club would be to sell to Celtic.

Also, I have no love for them but I don't see them spitting the dummy out if we accepted as higher offer from somewhere else. That'll happen all the time in football and won't stop teams doing business with each other. It's only folk like Newco that tend to to act in that fashion I suspect.

[CapitalGreen]

I said in March £2.5m plus Allan plus 1 more on loan. I still stand by that. All this posturing is a sham.

Celtic’s opening bid was ‘close to’ £1.5m + no players if we get £2.5m + players the posturing won’t have been a sham it will have been a successful negotiating technique which has increased the fee offered to us by 70%.

[Lago]

Who are these English clubs I keep hearing about on here. Ive not seen one piece of concrete evidence to support this theory.

[Vini1875]

I don't think it is a case of keeping celtc onside. These are grown up business people at both clubs. Whether or not the McGinn deal goes ahead, celtc will do what is right for them regarding Scott Allan. Come to that Scott Allan and John McGinn will do what is right for them and no doubt Hibs will look after ourselves, getting the most we can for our player while paying the least we can for their player.

Our problem is that we see things from a fans viewpoint. We hate clubs for decades based on any mumber of percieved slights. Many of the people who run clubs simply don't think the way fans do

[Gerard]

I don't think it is a case of keeping celtc onside. These are grown up business people at both clubs. Whether or not the McGinn deal goes ahead, celtc will do what is right for them regarding Scott Allan. Come to that Scott Allan and John McGinn will do what is right for them and no doubt Hibs will look after ourselves, getting the most we can for our player while paying the least we can for their player.

Our problem is that we see things from a fans viewpoint. We hate clubs for decades based on any mumber of percieved slights. Many of the people who run clubs simply don't think the way fans do

In LD I have complete confidence that our club will get the best deal if we sell SJM , in this transfer window.

[weecounty hibby]

I ****ing hate celtic. They are parasites. Only a matter of time before the stories are in the record and sun about how we are holding SJM back from fulfilling his life long dream of playing for the team he has always loved. They're not quite as bad as Der hun but it will happen. Media and governing bodies in this country pander to two clubs to the detriment of all others

[bingo70]

Who are these English clubs I keep hearing about on here. Ive not seen one piece of concrete evidence to support this theory.

Concrete evidence?

It’s a fans forum not a court room. What sort of evidence you after?

[calumhibee1]

F*** Celtic and who cares what they think. We do what’s right for us.

Of course we do what’s right for us. But if selling to Celtic increases our chances of Scott Allan, who when he pulls on a Hibs strip is arguably more effective than McGinn, then selling to Celtic may well be exactly what’s right for us.

[HoboHarry]

Concrete evidence?

It’s a fans forum not a court room. What sort of evidence you after?
Come on Bingo you know better than that - writing FACT after anything on .net makes it stonewall proof.........

[calumhibee1]

It's a good question and this is where it comes into fans views versus the folk running the club who should be thinking coldly and logically about our long term future.

What is crucial is how much we value and want Scott Allan and how we hard we think it would be to bring in an equivalent player of his ability. If a team from England offer us £3m but Celtic come in with £2.5m plus Scott Allan then we have a decision. Allan probably isn't worth £500k but can we find a better attacking midfielder to bring in? If not then the best way things for the club would be to sell to Celtic.

Also, I have no love for them but I don't see them spitting the dummy out if we accepted as higher offer from somewhere else. That'll happen all the time in football and won't stop teams doing business with each other. It's only folk like Newco that tend to to act in that fashion I suspect.

IMO we won’t be able to get anyone as good as Allan is when he sticks a Hibs strip on. Infact I don’t think we’d even manage to get particularly close given our budget. If we’re going to lose McGinn then I hope he goes west as I’m certain we’d be getting an incredibly talented player, plus a good amount of money in return.

[Ken]

Unless Scott Allan is part of the deal I’m not that interested unless we are taking £3m+


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[Lago]

Concrete evidence?

It’s a fans forum not a court room. What sort of evidence you after?
More than unfounded hopeful speculation from you for a start.

[calumhibee1]

Unless Scott Allan is part of the deal I’m not that interested unless we are taking £3m+


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Agreed. Scott Allan should be the first thing mentioned, even before money. Basically a “Scott Allan is coming back here or we can call it a day right now”.

[Speedy]

All very well but what about Scott Allan? I want that lad pulling the strings in our midfield

Bid £100k for him and take it from there.

[keep the faith]

Agreed. Scott Allan should be the first thing mentioned, even before money. Basically a “Scott Allan is coming back here or we can call it a day right now”.

100%

[hibsbollah]

More than unfounded hopeful speculation from you for a start.

It's posts that these that really show up the absence of a 'handbag' emoji. Do it, admins :aok:

[NORTHERNHIBBY]

Agreed. Scott Allan should be the first thing mentioned, even before money. Basically a “Scott Allan is coming back here or we can call it a day right now”.

If Allan doesn't sign for us then Celtc will have to pay him to warm the bench.

[HoboHarry]

If Allan doesn't sign for us then Celtc will have to pay him to warm the bench.
Or sell him to another club.......

[superfurryhibby]

Agreed. Scott Allan should be the first thing mentioned, even before money. Basically a “Scott Allan is coming back here or we can call it a day right now”.

I don’t think that approach really strengthens our negotiating position.

[O'Rourke3]

Mmnn. Interpreting some of the posts we will take anything rather than nothing for SJM and also inform the sellers that one of their players better be in the deal thus weakening our position further. We'll end up paying them... [emoji23]

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[Lago]

It's posts that these that really show up the absence of a 'handbag' emoji. Do it, admins :aok:
Not sure how to interpret this to be honest.😁

[Sammy7nil]

Bid £100k for him and take it from there.

If Allan has made it clear to Hibs he wants to be here then I agree offer a silly amount too and let the games begin.

[danhibees1875]

The sun asking the big questions:

https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/sport/football/2921288/john-mcginn-celtic-cup-tied-europa-league-champions-league-hibs/

:greengrin

[Broken Gnome]

The sun asking the big questions:

https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/sport/football/2921288/john-mcginn-celtic-cup-tied-europa-league-champions-league-hibs/

:greengrin

Newsrooms must be soul-destroying places to work these days.

[green day]

You never read 50 Shades? [emoji848]

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My wife tells me I don't need to read it. And if I disagree, she slaps me 🤣

[ancient hibee]

The sun asking the big questions:

https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/sport/football/2921288/john-mcginn-celtic-cup-tied-europa-league-champions-league-hibs/

:greengrin
Isn’ t about time we had a debate on here about being cup tied?

[Eyrie]

Bid £100k for him and take it from there.


If Allan has made it clear to Hibs he wants to be here then I agree offer a silly amount too and let the games begin.

£100k for a player Celtc don't want is hardly a silly offer.

I'd set the fee at the drop in Allan's wage when he moves here, which then covers the cost of Celtc paying him off. Eg if he's on £7k there and we pay £4k, the fee is £150k.

[Speedy]

£100k for a player Celtc don't want is hardly a silly offer.

I'd set the fee at the drop in Allan's wage when he moves here, which then covers the cost of Celtc paying him off. Eg if he's on £7k there and we pay £4k, the fee is £150k.

I know. I was serious.

[Jim44]

I reckon Celtic will sit tight for the moment and take a chance that there will be no bids from England. After that, the market is theirs and they will hope to get McGinn for a low price. Even if a bid from England comes in, they have room to ‘up’ their bid a little, throw in another player and of course factor in McGinn’s supposed desire to go West.

[hibee-boys]

I reckon Celtic will sit tight for the moment and take a chance that there will be no bids from England. After that, the market is theirs and they will hope to get McGinn for a low price. Even if a bid from England comes in, they have room to ‘up’ their bid a little, throw in another player and of course factor in McGinn’s supposed desire to go West.

Not so sure they've got that much time. I noticed that they had Allan and Christie on the bench for their champions league qualifier. I think it's pretty clear to all that Rodgers does not see them as making the grade for the first team, can you imagine the uproar if they fail to make the league stages whilst failing to adequately replace Armstrong quick enough....all in order to save them 500k to a million at most.

[Springbank]

I reckon Celtic will sit tight for the moment and take a chance that there will be no bids from England. After that, the market is theirs and they will hope to get McGinn for a low price. Even if a bid from England comes in, they have room to ‘up’ their bid a little, throw in another player and of course factor in McGinn’s supposed desire to go West.

I understand your logic here Jim, but there is an additional complicating factor (for Celtic) which plays strongly in Hibs favour, and all of Brendan Rogers recent remarks hint at the fact he is well aware of this too...

...Celtic want to do their signings (as we do) to help with getting through qualifying rounds in Europe. That's where the real money is to be made.

Their board will be under all sorts of criticism if they have taken in £7m for Armstrong, then been seen to be very Dave King-esque in their shabby pursuit of John McGinn (frankly embarrassing on Celtic's part), AND then been pumped out of Europe, without signing McGinn.

In summary, Celtic don't have the luxury of waiting til 9 August.

They (and we) both got lucky with the Euro 1st round draws, where it hasn't been a deal-breaker.

If Celtic lose the first leg of their 2nd round Euro tie, it's suddenly showtime, different ball game.

Best for all parties to have clarity before Euro competitions 2nd qualifying rounds begin, in my opinion, and I can read that into Rogers recent remarks too.

[bingo70]

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-transfer-news/celtic-offer-mikey-johnston-hibs-12930870

Not exactly new news but Celtic to offer Mikey Johnston to hibs on loan as part of deal for Mcginn.

[Bob Box Fish]

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-transfer-news/celtic-offer-mikey-johnston-hibs-12930870

Not exactly new news but Celtic to offer Mikey Johnston to hibs on loan as part of deal for Mcginn.

He’s a good player and would replace the vacant Barker.

[Greenworld]

He’s a good player and would replace the vacant Barker.No further bid mentioned

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[Allant1981]

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-transfer-news/celtic-offer-mikey-johnston-hibs-12930870

Not exactly new news but Celtic to offer Mikey Johnston to hibs on loan as part of deal for Mcginn.

is this not the guy that tam mcmanus said was possibly going to st mirren?

[Dalianwanda]

is this not the guy that tam mcmanus said was possibly going to st mirren?

Yup he’s been linked to St Mirren & Aberdeen.

[Greenworld]

is this not the guy that tam mcmanus said was possibly going to st mirren?It's all over twitter that St mirren are getting him

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[tonyrougier123]

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-transfer-news/celtic-offer-mikey-johnston-hibs-12930870

Not exactly new news but Celtic to offer Mikey Johnston to hibs on loan as part of deal for Mcginn.any loan deals from Celtic involving mcginn don't excite me.allan permanent and the correct valuation of our best player or they can beat it imo.i just canny get excited about any offer for mcginn.4 million 10million what he brings to the side is not replaceable.

[Ken]

If McGinn goes to Celtic then Celtic will be easy to negotiate with over the Allan deal. Agreeing personal terms won’t be straightforward but I’d expect Allan knows what we are able to offer and he’s made it public that he wants to come back to us


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[GloryGlory]

any loan deals from Celtic involving mcginn don't excite me.allan permanent and the correct valuation of our best player or they can beat it imo.i just canny get excited about any offer for mcginn.4 million 10million what he brings to the side is not replaceable.

Our own development team won a league and cup double last season. I don't see why we should be helping to develop a player for Celtic if we have the opportunity to promote one of our own to the first team squad.

[B.H.F.C]

Our own development team won a league and cup double last season. I don't see why we should be helping to develop a player for Celtic if we have the opportunity to promote one of our own to the first team squad.

Their player might be more capable of making an impact on our first team and that’s all that really matters. Last time we took a player as part of a transfer deal to sell a player to them he certainly delivered....

[Thecat23]

any loan deals from Celtic involving mcginn don't excite me.allan permanent and the correct valuation of our best player or they can beat it imo.i just canny get excited about any offer for mcginn.4 million 10million what he brings to the side is not replaceable.

We all said the same when Griffiths left us. McGinn is a great talent but Hibs will be fine when he leaves. I’d also take MJ from Celtic if he’s better than any our youth boys which seems to be the case. If any player improves Hibs I don’t care if it’s a loan or not get them in.

That game in May 2016 is a prime example!!

[Thecat23]

Their player might be more capable of making an impact on our first team and that’s all that really matters. Last time we took a player as part of a transfer deal to sell a player to them he certainly delivered....

Bang on.

Making the step up to the first team is huge. Most of that under 20’s team won’t even make it in football. If Lennon doesn’t think they are ready then bring in a youngster who is.

[lucky]

McGinn is being quoted that he wants to go to Celtic. This would effect any price Hibs get for him as he could refuse to go elsewhere. Hopefully this matter is sorted out quickly

[Hibbyradge]

McGinn is being quoted that he wants to go to Celtic. This would effect any price Hibs get for him as he could refuse to go elsewhere. Hopefully this matter is sorted out quickly

He's being quoted now?

Where did you read that, Lucky?

[JimP]

Aberdeen want 10 million for Scott McKenna but McGinn is only worth 3 million. Something is really wrong here!! :flag:

[CorrieHibs]

Aberdeen want 10 million for Scott McKenna but McGinn is only worth 3 million. Something is really wrong here!! :flag:

Probably cause McKenna is being tracked by English clubs. Aberdeen just chancing their luck. Fair play to them.

[1875STEVE]

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-transfer-news/celtic-offer-mikey-johnston-hibs-12930870

Not exactly new news but Celtic to offer Mikey Johnston to hibs on loan as part of deal for Mcginn.

No thanks.


They want our best player.

"Here take one of ours and develop him for us".

Any players we get as part of this deal need to be permanent IMO, unless of course its a first teamer whose wages we can't afford.

Im sick to the back teeth of Hibs getting shafted in these deals.

[flash]

No thanks.


They want our best player.

"Here take one of ours and develop him for us".

Any players we get as part of this deal need to be permanent IMO, unless of course its a first teamer whose wages we can't afford.

Im sick to the back teeth of Hibs getting shafted in these deals.

Which ones in particular upset you?

[Hibbyradge]

No thanks.


They want our best player.

"Here take one of ours and develop him for us".

Any players we get as part of this deal need to be permanent IMO, unless of course its a first teamer whose wages we can't afford.

Im sick to the back teeth of Hibs getting shafted in these deals.

When did we last get shafted?

[J-C]

No thanks.


They want our best player.

"Here take one of ours and develop him for us".

Any players we get as part of this deal need to be permanent IMO, unless of course its a first teamer whose wages we can't afford.

Im sick to the back teeth of Hibs getting shafted in these deals.


We will be getting Allan as a permanent signing, he was a main target for us and he wants to be here, Johnston is better than we have at the club in that position, Barker last season was a successful loan deal, as was Allan. We took Henderson and developed him, that didn't work out too badly.

[scoopyboy]

No thanks.


They want our best player.

"Here take one of ours and develop him for us".

Any players we get as part of this deal need to be permanent IMO, unless of course its a first teamer whose wages we can't afford.

Im sick to the back teeth of Hibs getting shafted in these deals.

Yes, Liam Henderson being the prime example.

[frazeHFC]

From what I saw of Johnston in the Toulon tournament I'd like to see us get him on loan. Exactly what we need if we are unable to get Barker back.

[Billy Whizz]

Yes, Liam Henderson being the prime example.

My thoughts too. Mucked Liam and Hibs about big style, did our so called Celtic pals

[matty_f]

When did we last get shafted?

When we developed Stokes and Henderson, or Commons probably. :greengrin

[danhibees1875]

We all said the same when Griffiths left us. McGinn is a great talent but Hibs will be fine when he leaves. I’d also take MJ from Celtic if he’s better than any our youth boys which seems to be the case. If any player improves Hibs I don’t care if it’s a loan or not get them in.

That game in May 2016 is a prime example!!

I agree with your general point (Hibs are bigger than any one player) but I'm not sure you picked the best example given we failed to replace Griffiths and got relegated. :greengrin However, that was a different scenario as LG was pretty much dragging us up from relegation single handedly while we have a fairly good squad at the moment.



Winger is a position we need to fill if we cant get BB, so would be happy for him to be part of the deal. :agree:

[rodhibs55]

Celtic got £7M for Armstrong who only had a year left on his contract, add to that the fact Super John is keeping him out of the Scotland team, surely SJM is worth at least half the Armstrong fee and possibly Scott Allen on a permanent deal as well as the winger on loan.

[Springbank]

From what I saw of Johnston in the Toulon tournament I'd like to see us get him on loan. Exactly what we need if we are unable to get Barker back.

Agree 100%. This boy is a player.

Is he better than Barker?

This goal (vs England) at this summer's Toulon tournament might whet the appetite...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WiSoeOt_hf8

[MyJo]

When did we last get shafted?

When Henderson and Stokes helped us win the Scottish cup.....When Commons and Ambrose helped us get promoted and then Efe signed a permanent two year contract.....When Scott Allan helped us qualify for Europe last season?

I'm not very good at this am I :dunno: :greengrin

[Billy Whizz]

When Henderson and Stokes helped us win the Scottish cup.....When Commons and Ambrose helped us get promoted and then Efe signed a permanent two year contract.....When Scott Allan helped us qualify for Europe last season?

I'm not very good at this am I :dunno: :greengrin

Nearly all when we were in the championship, now we’re competing against them in the Premiership, shouldn’t be taking loans from them
Just my opinion

[Hibbyradge]

Nearly all when we were in the championship, now we’re competing against them in the Premiership, shouldn’t be taking loans from them
Just my opinion

That's an understandable opinion, but the poster said that we'd been shafted in transfer deals. I can't think of any examples of that happening.

[J-C]

Celtic got £7M for Armstrong who only had a year left on his contract, add to that the fact Super John is keeping him out of the Scotland team, surely SJM is worth at least half the Armstrong fee and possibly Scott Allen on a permanent deal as well as the winger on loan.


Armstrong was a Celtic player, so had a higher profile, hence the higher fee. Unfortunately McGinn seems to have changed his mind where he wants to continue his development, he was telling most people at the start of the season that down south was where he wanted to go, this has now changed and only Celtic is his future club. This will drop his price unfortunately, £4-5m down south or £2.5 to Celtic plus Allan, due to the fact he's stated it's only Celtic, clubs down south have been put off making a bid as they'll know they're wasting their time, unfortunately a bit of player power at work here. Probably a bit similar to the Allan/Rangers scenario but this time McGinn has been professional and hasn't handed in a transfer request but he has forced this move to Celtic a fair bit.

[wills]

If McGinn plays on Thursday will Celtic drop there interest?
If they want him for European ties have the team sheet printed early, then see what they do

[Springbank]

If McGinn plays on Thursday will Celtic drop there interest?
If they want him for European ties have the team sheet printed early, then see what they do

liking the cut of your gib here, good stuff

[BoomtownHibees]

If McGinn plays on Thursday will Celtic drop there interest?
If they want him for European ties have the team sheet printed early, then see what they do

Is that in case he’s cup tied?

[Greenworld]

When we developed Stokes and Henderson, or Commons probably. :greengrin
Is that in case he’s cup tied?He's not

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[GloryGlory]

If McGinn plays on Thursday will Celtic drop there interest?
If they want him for European ties have the team sheet printed early, then see what they do

We'll get a big clue when the charter plane flies out to the Faroes, if SJM is or isn't on board.

Simon Murray, too, for that matter.

[Since90+2]

Armstrong was a Celtic player, so had a higher profile, hence the higher fee. Unfortunately McGinn seems to have changed his mind where he wants to continue his development, he was telling most people at the start of the season that down south was where he wanted to go, this has now changed and only Celtic is his future club. This will drop his price unfortunately, £4-5m down south or £2.5 to Celtic plus Allan, due to the fact he's stated it's only Celtic, clubs down south have been put off making a bid as they'll know they're wasting their time, unfortunately a bit of player power at work here. Probably a bit similar to the Allan/Rangers scenario but this time McGinn has been professional and hasn't handed in a transfer request but he has forced this move to Celtic a fair bit.

Where is the figure of £4-5 million coming from if he went down south?

[ancient hibee]

Armstrong was a Celtic player, so had a higher profile, hence the higher fee. Unfortunately McGinn seems to have changed his mind where he wants to continue his development, he was telling most people at the start of the season that down south was where he wanted to go, this has now changed and only Celtic is his future club. This will drop his price unfortunately, £4-5m down south or £2.5 to Celtic plus Allan, due to the fact he's stated it's only Celtic, clubs down south have been put off making a bid as they'll know they're wasting their time, unfortunately a bit of player power at work here. Probably a bit similar to the Allan/Rangers scenario but this time McGinn has been professional and hasn't handed in a transfer request but he has forced this move to Celtic a fair bit.
I’m always amazed at the attitude of English clubs to players up here.Logically who is the better player?Is it one who plays for the top team ,gets frequent rests and games where the whole team can coast.Or is it a player who excels in performances against the top team and plays a full season as a main player in his team.Seems pretty obvious to me.

[Stevie Reid]

any loan deals from Celtic involving mcginn don't excite me.allan permanent and the correct valuation of our best player or they can beat it imo.i just canny get excited about any offer for mcginn.4 million 10million what he brings to the side is not replaceable.

Steady. McGinn is a very good player, he's not Roy of the Rovers.

If we end up with an acceptable bid from Celtic, hopefully a nice bit of cash and Scott Allan, then we will strengthen the midfield again. Won't necessarily be the same type of player as McGinn, but that doesn't mean we can't still have a very effective midfield.

[Moulin Yarns]

Is that in case he’s cup tied?


He's not

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Presumably he would be when Celtc drop down to the Europa League :wink:

[Michael]

Presumably he would be when Celtc drop down to the Europa League :wink:

Nope

[Captain Trips]

While we pay SJM wages if available should be picked. All this head might not be in right place you sometimes get is not on.

Players are mollycodlled enough these days. Play him if on the wage bill.

[Stevie Reid]

While we pay SJM wages if available should be picked. All this head might not be in right place you sometimes get is not on.

Players are mollycodlled enough these days. Play him if on the wage bill.

I wouldn't play him on Thursday. We don't need him, and the risk of injury is there. Especially against that lot.

[bingo70]

I wouldn't play him on Thursday. We don't need him, and the risk of injury is there. Especially against that lot.

I'd be tempted to say the same but he could do with the match time, if he doesn't go anywhere then we'll certainly need him against the Greek side next week.

[wills]

liking the cut of your gib here, good stuff

Cheers, I have my moments

[Stevie Reid]

I'd be tempted to say the same but he could do with the match time, if he doesn't go anywhere then we'll certainly need him against the Greek side next week.

Fair point, bingo.

[Fanforlife]

Perhaps out of the loop here but a couple of puddledrinkers of my aquaintance now trying to tell me that SJM has handed in a transfer request.Ive not seen anything regarding this and as i dont think he is type of guy to do this im replying to them that their puddles must be contaminated😁

[ahibby]

Nearly all when we were in the championship, now we’re competing against them in the Premiership, shouldn’t be taking loans from them
Just my opinion

I understand your point and it has to be a valid point. We had Scott Allan last season and it didn't stop us beating them. So taking one on loan from them when that helps us against Aberdeen and Rangers (our main rivals:wink:), might not be as bad as it first seems.

[JimmyL]

Nearly all when we were in the championship, now we’re competing against them in the Premiership, shouldn’t be taking loans from them
Just my opinion

Loan players won't be available against Celtic with McGinn against us so a no to any loan players from me just pay what he is worth

[bingo70]

Perhaps out of the loop here but a couple of puddledrinkers of my aquaintance now trying to tell me that SJM has handed in a transfer request.Ive not seen anything regarding this and as i dont think he is type of guy to do this im replying to them that their puddles must be contaminated😁

Think there has been rumblings that he's told the club he wants to move to Celtic.

A transfer request doesn't really mean anything though, if we get an acceptable bid we'll sell him, if we don't we won't. Transfer request or no transfer request.

I'm sure Hibs are well aware that given the chance he would go to Celtic, going to the formality of handing in a transfer request would seem a bit of a pointless exercise.

[SeanWilson]

Perhaps out of the loop here but a couple of puddledrinkers of my aquaintance now trying to tell me that SJM has handed in a transfer request.Ive not seen anything regarding this and as i dont think he is type of guy to do this im replying to them that their puddles must be contaminated😁
Willing to fall on my sword here but he's not the type.

[bingo70]

Willing to fall on my sword here but he's not the type.

Don't think it's anything to do with not being the type. I just don't think there'd be any point to him doing it?

Are we likely to accept a lesser amount if he hands in a transfer request? I wouldn't have thought so.

[Dan Sarf]

From today's Glasgow Herald...
Hibernian's John McGinn keen on Celtic move as more negotiations expectedCeltic (http://www.heraldscotland.com/search/?search=Celtic&topic_id=8739) are expected to make further inroads with Hibs again this week as they look to add John McGinn to their ranks.
It is believed that the 23-year-old Scotland (http://www.heraldscotland.com/search/?search=Scotland&topic_id=8820) internationalist has intimated his desire to Hibs that he wishes to make his move to Brendan Rodgers’ side.
McGinn has spent the last three seasons at Easter Road where he has become a pivotal part of Neil Lennon’s midfield but it is understood that he is eager to make the switch to Celtic Park.
He was left out of the Hibs team that beat NSI Runavik 6-1 in their Europa League qualifier last week. Lennon commented after the game that the player was carrying an injury but he also conceded that his focus had been affected by the fact that Celtic’s interest in him had become public.
It would suit Lennon to have thee situation clarified in order that if he does lose the player then he is given adequate time to organise a replacement for him before the domestic campaign gets underway again next month.
The Parkhead club have had two bids of £1.5m and £1.75m knocked back for the midfielder, with Hibs valuing the player at £4m. It is thought, however, that a deal could be done for £2.5m with Scott Allan making his way back to Easter Road where he spent the latter half of last term on loan.
That would allow McGinn to make the move to Celtic and hook up with Rodgers’ side.
The Celtic manager has made it clear that he would like to add the player to his squad and with McGinn out of contract at the end of the forthcoming season and free to sign a pre-contract agreement in January, this window will be viewed by Hibs as the last genuine opportunity they have to bank money through the sale of the player.

[Jack Hackett]

Perhaps out of the loop here but a couple of puddledrinkers of my aquaintance now trying to tell me that SJM has handed in a transfer request.Ive not seen anything regarding this and as i dont think he is type of guy to do this im replying to them that their puddles must be contaminated😁

If you're referring to the yam genus of puddle drinker, then it must be true. I've never known them to blatantly make up wee stories in an effort to wind us up
:rolleyes:

[RossScott1991]

If they come in with another money offer + 19 year old winger on loan I would be disappointed in hibs if they accepted that. tell them to get to ****.

2.5mil + Scott Allan on permanent deal

or 3 million upfront no player included. These are the deals hibs should be open too.

Not having us develop a player for them, us to become fond of them but they go back to celtic and not get a game then for them to dig their heals In and not give us them back.

stay strong hibs.

[Famous Fiver]

So Jack you're telling us that their stadium has the biggest capacity in Edinburgh and they have signed World Cup stars?

Surely our Yam pals wouldn't tell fibs about such things?

[Onion]

Don't think it's anything to do with not being the type. I just don't think there'd be any point to him doing it?

Are we likely to accept a lesser amount if he hands in a transfer request? I wouldn't have thought so.

SJM handing in a transfer request would be disastrous and force Hibs hand. We could not afford to pass up £2m for a reluctant player sitting in the stands. Pretty sure Celtic will have already asked him to do that.

[Bostonhibby]

So Jack you're telling us that their stadium has the biggest capacity in Edinburgh and they have signed World Cup stars?

Surely our Yam pals wouldn't tell fibs about such things?I'm old enough to remember them declaring themselves to be "self sufficient" and Banderson reassuring them it was true.

About a fortnight before putting themselves into administration.☺

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[WeeRussell]

Celtic got £7M for Armstrong who only had a year left on his contract, add to that the fact Super John is keeping him out of the Scotland team, surely SJM is worth at least half the Armstrong fee and possibly Scott Allen on a permanent deal as well as the winger on loan.

I agree with your point and think he is worth a lot more than half of the Armstrong fee. But the bit in bold is just not true.

[bingo70]

SJM handing in a transfer request would be disastrous and force Hibs hand. We could not afford to pass up £2m for a reluctant player sitting in the stands. Pretty sure Celtic will have already asked him to do that.

Why would he be sitting in the stands?

He wants to join Celtic, we know that already, whether he hands in a bit of paper saying he wants to join them or not is neither here nor there.

Think there's confusion here between handing in a transfer request and downing tools.

[Fanforlife]

Why would he be sitting in the stands?

He wants to join Celtic, we know that already, whether he hands in a bit of paper saying he wants to join them or not is neither here nor there.

Think there's confusion here between handing in a transfer request and downing tools.nothing to do with SJM here Bingo .Did you play for Edina years ago?If so was my brother S.Mc your coach &If so my son K.Mc played in same team.If you hope all is going well for you and yours.

[allezsauzee]

If SJM would prefer to play for Celtic and we can come to a sensible arrangement fee wise then I think we should get a deal done with Celtic. We have done very well out of signing John. He's been superb for us , played a major part in our revival in fortunes and we look as though we are going to make good money out of his transfer. I can't begrudge him a move where he'll get the opportunity to play in the Champions League and earn some decent money for himself. The sooner this deal gets done, the soon we know what our budget is for bringing players in.

[Onion]

Why would he be sitting in the stands?

He wants to join Celtic, we know that already, whether he hands in a bit of paper saying he wants to join them or not is neither here nor there.

Think there's confusion here between handing in a transfer request and downing tools.

Him handing in a request at this stage in the process would be designed to force Hibs hand and would destroy relations between club and players. Hibs would be forced to sell. Happens all the time.

[bingo70]

nothing to do with SJM here Bingo .Did you play for Edina years ago?If so was my brother S.Mc your coach &If so my son K.Mc played in same team.If you hope all is going well for you and yours.

Yeah that's me

Blast from the past there........Sent you a PM.

[Michael]

Him handing in a request at this stage in the process would be designed to force Hibs hand and would destroy relations between club and players. Hibs would be forced to sell. Happens all the time.

Marez handed in a transfer request every window for like 2 years.

[Jim44]

I despise Celtic and their s***b*g of a CEO even more. This untidy McGinn mess is all their and his doing and I’m sure that every day that passes, the guarantee of him going there increases. The next concession to them will be ‘resting’ him in the Faroes match. I wouldn’t be surprised if they let it drag on till the English window closes and then put in the same bid ( £1.75m) or less knowing that we will accept. Believe what LD says about McGinn’s value to the club if you want but. IMO, he’s theirs on their terms. They could have played the white man at the start and made an honest, serious bid for McGinn and the whole thing could have been settled quietly, quickly and harmoniously.

[MWHIBBIES]

I despise Celtic and their s***b*g of a CEO even more. This untidy McGinn mess is all their and his doing and I’m sure that every day that passes, the guarantee of him going there increases. The next concession to them will be ‘resting’ him in the Faroes match. I wouldn’t be surprised if they let it drag on till the English window closes and then put in the same bid ( £1.75m) or less knowing that we will accept. Believe what LD says about McGinn’s value to the club if you want but. IMO, he’s theirs on their terms. They could have played the white man at the start and made an honest, serious bid for McGinn and the whole thing could have been settled quietly, quickly and harmoniously.

Why shouldn't they get the best deal for them? McGinn isn't helping either, him not signing a new deal forces us to sell him and if he only wants to go to them he's ****ing Hibs over even more.

[B.H.F.C]

Why shouldn't they get the best deal for them? McGinn isn't helping either, him not signing a new deal forces us to sell him and if he only wants to go to them he's ****ing Hibs over even more.

No entirely sure what McGinn has done wrong here? Or how he can be deemed to be f****** Hibs over?

[MB62]

Is it not the case that if a player is transferred without actually handing in a request, he is entitled to a percentage of the transfer fee (6%)? where if the player concerned does hand in a request, he gets nowt from the transfer deal between the clubs?

Again, I'm not fussed whether he stays or goes, that's fitba, as long he goes on a deal good for Hibernian. If the player is unhappy we are not selling him, then he should be unhappy at his boyhood heroes for p155ing around trying to screw us by offering 5h1tty wee amounts of money and not at us.
Would be delighted if SJM stays and plays for us for another year and we lose him for nowt, but will be equally delighted if the lesser greens offered us a decent amount of money for a player they so obviously rate very highly (just not highly enough apparently).

[HoboHarry]

Why shouldn't they get the best deal for them? McGinn isn't helping either, him not signing a new deal forces us to sell him and if he only wants to go to them he's ****ing Hibs over even more.
You need to separate your allegiance to Hibs from the reality of John McGinn wanting to move on. He wants a bigger stage so why in the world would he sign a new contract at this point and be tied to Hibs? This is the world post Bosman and he has done more than enough for us to have earned his move.

[SirDavidsNapper]

"Here you go Hibs, here's one of our young players who can't get a sniff, you can have him for a season to develop for us and we'll throw in a bag of sweets too but remember to give St Mirren 33% of them. Now give us your best player"

Celtic can ram it. No better than the cheapskates from Govan.

[The_Horde]

"Here you go Hibs, here's one of our young players who can't get a sniff, you can have him for a season to develop for us and we'll throw in a bag of sweets too but remember to give St Mirren 33% of them. Now give us your best player"

Celtic can ram it. No better than the cheapskates from Govan.

It's no really the same as that though If they're giving us 2.5m and there's an agreement on a fee for Allan. Johnston is a very good player, probably on par with Barker ability wise but with more end product.

That's a decent deal in my eyes.

[Jim44]

Is it not the case that if a player is transferred without actually handing in a request, he is entitled to a percentage of the transfer fee (6%)? where if the player concerned does hand in a request, he gets nowt from the transfer deal between the clubs?

Again, I'm not fussed whether he stays or goes, that's fitba, as long he goes on a deal good for Hibernian. If the player is unhappy we are not selling him, then he should be unhappy at his boyhood heroes for p155ing around trying to screw us by offering 5h1tty wee amounts of money and not at us.
Would be delighted if SJM stays and plays for us for another year and we lose him for nowt, but will be equally delighted if the lesser greens offered us a decent amount of money for a player they so obviously rate very highly (just not highly enough apparently).

That’s exactly where I stand. I would also say they rate him higher than you say, they are gagging to get him but are trying to appear indifferent and matter of fact.

[bingo70]

"Here you go Hibs, here's one of our young players who can't get a sniff, you can have him for a season to develop for us and we'll throw in a bag of sweets too but remember to give St Mirren 33% of them. Now give us your best player"

Celtic can ram it. No better than the cheapskates from Govan.

At the risk of getting all Colin Calderwood on you surely the relevant part of your post is how big is the bag of sweets they're giving us?

I don't see the problem with Celtic offering players on loan, we've benefited enough from that when it's been on our terms, why are we now getting all high and mighty about developing their players?

My only complaint about this whole saga is the time it is taking, once negotiations started it should have been wrapped up in no longer than a week. They'll have known what we wanted, i understand there would be negotiations as to how that deal was structured but we should have been on roughly the same page. If we were miles apart to start with then they'd have known that and shouldn't have bothered.

To be this long in isn't fair on Hibs and it's not fair on the player,

[SirDavidsNapper]

It's no really the same as that though If they're giving us 2.5m and there's an agreement on a fee for Allan. Johnston is a very good player, probably on par with Barker ability wise but with more end product.

That's a decent deal in my eyes.

I've never seen the lad so i'll take your word for it. I'm just frustrated. If they want him so badly buy him. It's not difficult. Celtic want him, McGinn wants to join them and Celtic are loaded.

[SHODAN]

HAVE Celtic actually offered £2.5M + Allan or is this just more ***** from the papers?

[CockneyRebel]

At the risk of getting all Colin Calderwood on you surely the relevant part of your post is how big is the bag of sweets they're giving us?

I don't see the problem with Celtic offering players on loan, we've benefited enough from that when it's been on our terms, why are we now getting all high and mighty about developing their players?

My only complaint about this whole saga is the time it is taking, once negotiations started it should have been wrapped up in no longer than a week. They'll have known what we wanted, i understand there would be negotiations as to how that deal was structured but we should have been on roughly the same page. If we were miles apart to start with then they'd have known that and shouldn't have bothered.

To be this long in isn't fair on Hibs and it's not fair on the player,



Pretty sure you're speaking for the majority there Bingo

[MWHIBBIES]

You need to separate your allegiance to Hibs from the reality of John McGinn wanting to move on. He wants a bigger stage so why in the world would he sign a new contract at this point and be tied to Hibs? This is the world post Bosman and he has done more than enough for us to have earned his move.I understand that, he can do what he wants. If he isn't with Hibs though, he is against Hibs. I'll never be happy about a player essentially forcing a move to a domestic rival.


No entirely sure what McGinn has done wrong here? Or how he can be deemed to be f****** Hibs over?He is leaving Hibs, as a Hibs fan I'm not happy about that. I'm grateful for what he has done here but as soon as he leaves he's just another smelly Celtic player, like Griffiths and Brown.

[FilipinoHibs]

HAVE Celtic actually offered £2.5M + Allan or is this just more ***** from the papers?

Herald who have been Celtic's mouthpiece on this for a couple of weeks. Been first with the leaks.

[B.H.F.C]

He is leaving Hibs, as a Hibs fan I'm not happy about that. I'm grateful for what he has done here but as soon as he leaves he's just another smelly Celtic player, like Griffiths and Brown.

That in no way constitutes him f****** is over though. If he does go in this window then we’ll do pretty well out of it as well no?