Match of the Day World Cup

[Hibrandenburg]

Most embarrassing semi since my auntie gave me a shoulder massage.

:greengrin

Cream in top of a good night.

[3pm]

Did anyone see the 'Scolari out, Butcher in' banner?

[Mon Dieu4]

The World Cup total goals record is 171 we are now on 167 with three games to go, really hope it happens, this has been a corker of a tourney :top marks

[magpie1892]

:greengrin

On to tomorrow night now when we'll no doubt see many shots of Louis Van Gaal doing his famous Donald Trump impersonation :greengrin

Gonna be pens. tomorrow night, eh JC?

[rcarter1]

only player I feel sorry for is Tiago Silva - he was holding then together for ages and having to sit and watch them dismantled must have been hard...the way he came onto pitch to console others says a lot about him

A lot of sportsmanship from the Brazilians, clapping the seventh, oles for the Germans team, Scolari congratulations, and Juninho saying that football was the winner.

[magpie1892]

:greengrin

Cream in top of a good night.

I'm here all week. Try the veal.

[down-the-slope]

So...do I


Text my Brasillain mates
Call my Brasillian mates
Leave my Brasillian mates to cry on there own

[Off the bar]

Just rewatched from 22mins 30mins on the bbc player, an unbelievable 8 minutes of football, the fourth goal is as bad a goal to concede as you will ever see

[The_Exile]

The World Cup total goals record is 171 we are now on 167 with three games to go, really hope it happens, this has been a corker of a tourney :top marks

Ach that's it jinxed now, cue two 0-0 draws with 3 shots at goal.........

[Benny Brazil]

Pass move pass move pass goal - simple really.
None of the goals were from outside the box, none were the result of someone beating 5 players then slamming it home - it was all very easy, very clinical made all easier with with worst defending since.... well since Hibs last season.

[TRC]

Oh dear let it go

Oh dear what do you mean, it was just a statement of fact that the English media are never very complementary towards Germany. Don't really get what i have to 'let go' but anyway. So glad Germany are through hope they win it.

[MWHIBBIES]

Most embarrassing semi since my auntie gave me a shoulder massage.:faf: :top marks

[Dan Sarf]

Most embarrassing semi since my auntie gave me a shoulder massage.

Wonderful. Just wonderful.

[Mon Dieu4]

I'm in a quandary now, I always wanted Germany or Argentina to win the cup, but think that a Germany V Holland final with all the niggle will be tremendous and Brazil V Argentina will never be meaningless even in a 3rd place play off.

Could be a few great games left

[Stax]

Brazil made England look average!
England's who I think about when my auntie gives me a massage

[ScottB]

Any idea what price 7-1 was.

My missus told me before the game it would be 7-1 to Germany. Told her to STFU.

Not told her the winning score yet as I won't hear the end of it. Needless to say I never even looked at backing it.

Not sure, huge I'd think, I got 33/1 and 250/1 for those 2 when it was 5-0!

Yeah, my other half wanted to watch it to see if Brazil would get their ass kicked and I explained how it was going to be a close German win.

A girl on my Facebook won £500 on having 7-1 as well. Going to the ladies for future betting tips!

[ballengeich]

it was all very easy, very clinical made all easier with with worst defending since.... well since Hibs last season.

The Hibs defence weren't so bad last season. Hibs' problem was the attack.

[Thecat23]

Well Brazil copied our way of playing back when we had the famous five. Great to see they are still copying our style now!!

[Hibrandenburg]

Pass move pass move pass goal - simple really.
None of the goals were from outside the box, none were the result of someone beating 5 players then slamming it home - it was all very easy, very clinical made all easier with with worst defending since.... well since Hibs last season.

Add to that the Brazilian defending was amateurish, then you've pretty much summed up the German TV's analysis.

[Time For Heroes]

Thats the worst Brazilian semi since Pele's prescription ran out

[Scouse Hibee]

The worst Brazilians since Immac was invented.

[rcarter1]

I'm in a quandary now, I always wanted Germany or Argentina to win the cup, but think that a Germany V Holland final with all the niggle will be tremendous and Brazil V Argentina will never be meaningless even in a 3rd place play off.

Could be a few great games left

Brazil have to play again! :shocked::hide:

[capitals_finest]

Is it just me or are the English media coming across as a bit smug about Brazil's exit tonight?

Germans were incredible at times tonight you have to admire them.

[Hibrandenburg]

Even keekaboo couldn't have jinxed this one. I'm sure he must have secretly been rooting for Brazil.

[Iain G]

Pass move pass move pass goal - simple really.
None of the goals were from outside the box, none were the result of someone beating 5 players then slamming it home - it was all very easy, very clinical made all easier with with worst defending since.... well since Hibs last season.

Any truth in the story that the new Brazilian centre back was called Nelson :wink::greengrin

[magpie1892]

Is it just me or are the English media coming across as a bit smug about Brazil's exit tonight?

Germans were incredible at times tonight you have to admire them.

I'm English, and I work in the 'media', but I'm not picking up much smugness from MOTD or the BBC News just now. Pre-match, Alans Hansen and Shearer went for Brazil while Ferdinand took Germany.

I feel a little smug in that I was one of ooh, several million people, who could see that Brazil were due an absolute shafting from someone due to their being a defensive *****house, sterile in midfield, and forwards (Neymar aside) who made Hurtado look mobile.

So it's just you.

[Benny Brazil]

Any truth in the story that the new Brazilian centre back was called Nelson :wink::greengrin

Could we get 40odd million from PSG for him do you think? :greengrin

[Pete]

They surely won't have the cheek to turn up for the third place match.

[NAE NOOKIE]

Any truth in the story that the new Brazilian centre back was called Nelson :wink::greengrin

Names were the problem mate: Hulk, Jo, Fred ..... WTF sort of names are those for a Brizilian team !!!! Nae wonder they were Kaka.

Feel very sorry for the Brazil fans tonight ..... they must have known their team was average at best but what a backing they gave them, they didn't deserve to be put through that. If I had been in that team tonight I would be heading for the airport in a false beard about now.

Germany ...................... wow !!!

[Jonnyboy]

Gonna be pens. tomorrow night, eh JC?

Nah, Argentina to win :thumbsup:

[magpie1892]

Nah, Argentina to win :thumbsup:

Not if it goes to pens and Super Timmy Krul does a reprise!

[Iain G]

Names were the problem mate: Hulk, Jo, Fred ..... WTF sort of names are those for a Brizilian team !!!! Nae wonder they were Kaka.

Feel very sorry for the Brazil fans tonight ..... they must have known their team was average at best but what a backing they gave them, they didn't deserve to be put through that. If I had been in that team tonight I would be heading for the airport in a false beard about now.

Germany ...................... wow !!!

Hulk, Jo and Fred, sounds like a group of kids entertainers! :greengrin

Today Brazil was brough to you with the letters O, U and T and the number 7...

[SteveHFC]

http://screamer.deadspin.com/here-is-j-r-jim-ross-calling-the-brazil-germany-firs-1601968953?utm_campaign=socialflow_deadspin_twitte r&utm_source=deadspin_twitter&utm_medium=socialflow :hilarious

[magpie1892]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BsDN1HOIIAEwmQ7.jpg

[hfc rd]

http://screamer.deadspin.com/here-is-j-r-jim-ross-calling-the-brazil-germany-firs-1601968953?utm_campaign=socialflow_deadspin_twitte r&utm_source=deadspin_twitter&utm_medium=socialflow :hilarious


Class. That made me laugh. Very good Steve.

[GoldenMeerkat]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RLZUKqpXYzU

[Baader]

Hopefully Germany hump them in the semi's


They wont

Got your wish Steve! I backed the Germans by four goals. Thought they'd win comfortably as remained unimpressed by Brazil the whole tournament but am still stunned... I don't even think Scotland wouldve lost like that to Germany. What happened?

[SteveHFC]

Really hope Germany pump Brazil tonight :agree:

http://i.imgur.com/lDdzE.gif

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Got your wish Steve! I backed the Germans by four goals. Thought they'd win comfortably as remained unimpressed by Brazil the whole tournament but am still stunned... I don't even think Scotland wouldve lost like that to Germany. What happened?

There's a very good chance we will - first game after the WC Final ... :devil:

[MWHIBBIES]

They wontYou realized why people were saying Brazil weren't that good now?

[ekhibee]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BsDQ1ZFCIAE_LPt.jpg:large

[Gala Foxes]

So when did Pat Fenlon start coaching Brazil ?

[Gatecrasher]

You realized why people were saying Brazil weren't that good now?

:agree: you could see that teams flaws from a mile away.

[hibsbollah]

:agree: you could see that teams flaws from a mile away.

It was a one off freak result. Nobody came on here predicting Germany would horse Brazil from what I can remember. Brazil knocked out a very good Colombia team in the last round.

its quite simply the most stunning result in international football history. Anyone pretending that they knew it was coming are fibbing, in my humble opinion.

[easty]

You realized why people were saying Brazil weren't that good now?

Well I've realised they got pumped. They deserved to be in the World Cup semi final though, so they're still good.

Freak results happen sometimes. Brazil were horrific, Germany were clinical.

[ScottB]

It was a one off freak result. Nobody came on here predicting Germany would horse Brazil from what I can remember. Brazil knocked out a very good Colombia team in the last round.

its quite simply the most stunning result in international football history. Anyone pretending that they knew it was coming are fibbing, in my humble opinion.

I won't say I knew a thrashing was coming, but I fully expected Germany to beat them because of the flaws that have been apparent throughout the tournament, combined with the removal of their 2 key players.

[Gatecrasher]

It was a one off freak result. Nobody came on here predicting Germany would horse Brazil from what I can remember. Brazil knocked out a very good Colombia team in the last round.

its quite simply the most stunning result in international football history. Anyone pretending that they knew it was coming are fibbing, in my humble opinion.

I'm not trying to say I saw the 7-1 coming but I have been saying since the start of the World Cup that this wasn't a good Brazil team and that they would be lucky to get any where near the final.

Only beat Croatia through dodgy refereeing decisions
Couldn't break down Mexico
Struggled against Chile

Their performances and style of football left a lot to be desired, I think they should think themselves lucky they got as far as they did.

[hibsbollah]

Well I've realised they got pumped. They deserved to be in the World Cup semi final though, so they're still good.

Freak results happen sometimes. Brazil were horrific, Germany were clinical.

:agree: a lot of 'wise after the event' stuff going on.

[easty]

I'm not trying to say I saw the 7-1 coming but I have been saying since the start of the World Cup that this wasn't a good Brazil team and that they would be lucky to get any where near the final.

Only beat Croatia through dodgy refereeing decisions
Couldn't break down Mexico
Struggled against Chile

Their performances and style of football left a lot to be desired, I think they should think themselves lucky they got as far as they did.

Well that's one way to look at it I suppose.

The other way would be to say they deservedly beat Croatia, dodgy pen or not. Mexico are a good side and their goalie was highly praised for keeping he score at 0-0 with a great performance. They pumped Cameroon. Went on to beat a Chile side, who many were saying was one of the best teams in the World Cup, and then beat Columbia, another side getting loads of praise.

[Stringer]

Biggest shock for me still Spain being woeful. I think Scotland under strachen could beat that Germany team, at home obviously.

[JimBHibees]

It was a one off freak result. Nobody came on here predicting Germany would horse Brazil from what I can remember. Brazil knocked out a very good Colombia team in the last round.

its quite simply the most stunning result in international football history. Anyone pretending that they knew it was coming are fibbing, in my humble opinion.

Agree with that IMO only Germany could have beaten Brazil though the nature of the result was truly stunning. Brazil lost both their best players and quite simply imploded in the first half. Brazil have loads of very good players and lets not kid ourselves otherwise look at the transfer fees and teams that their starting eleven yesterday play for. Germany were fantastic though however I personally think this result opens it up for Argentina to take the trophy as I don't think they would have beaten Brazil in their home patch but can beat Germany though obviously will need to play better than they have thus far.

[Gatecrasher]

Well that's one way to look at it I suppose.

The other way would be to say they deservedly beat Croatia, dodgy pen or not. Mexico are a good side and their goalie was highly praised for keeping he score at 0-0 with a great performance. They pumped Cameroon. Went on to beat a Chile side, who many were saying was one of the best teams in the World Cup, and then beat Columbia, another side getting loads of praise.

I posted this on page 32, i just wanted to show I didn't think much of Brazil during their 2nd game, just saying my opinion wasn't hindsight.


For a team expecting to win the cup I think they have been disappointing in both games so far.

[#FromTheCapital]

I won't say I knew a thrashing was coming, but I fully expected Germany to beat them because of the flaws that have been apparent throughout the tournament, combined with the removal of their 2 key players.

My thoughts also. I put what I thought was a wildly optimistic bet of 4-1 Germany on, nobody could have predicted a 7-1 mauling though.

[Onion]

Stunning night's entertainment :greengrin and match that'll be talked about for decades.

Brazil found out, and then some. Average team glued together by two missing players and driven on by adrenalin and home support. The VERY LAST team they wanted to meet was Germany. :greengrin

[Weststandwanab]

Could we get 40odd million from PSG for him do you think? :greengrin

40 Euro maybe

[Hibrandenburg]

Brazil fans made the mistake of booing the Germans, Germans come into the world to the sound of booing and thrive on it.

[DH1875]

Brazil fans made the mistake of booing the Germans, Germans come into the world to the sound of booing and thrive on it.

The Brasil fans were booing their own players not ze Germans.

[Hibrandenburg]

The Brasil fans were booing their own players not ze Germans.

Yes at the end, but they booed the Germans everytime they got the ball until the boos became bubbles.

[James.]

From the Scottish FA's twitter

@ScottishFA: Just a quick reminder that our first #EURO2016 qualifier is vs #GER in Dortmund in September. Good. #naeborra

:faf:

[Hibbyradge]

Brazil knocked out a very good Colombia team in the last round.



With a lot of help from the officials.

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With a lot of help from the officials.

They had a lot of help from the officials all the way through. :agree:

WC host nations always do.

[heretoday]

Last night's match illustrates how Mourinho is a canny customer at Chelsea. 50 million from PSG for Luiz!

He's a woolly-headed clogger who occasionally raps in a free kick from outside the box (although not often enough for Chelsea).

[easty]

With a lot of help from the officials.

What help was that? When they got the penalty against them? When their best player was hospitalised and the Columbian culprit not even booked?

[marinello59]

What help was that? When they got the penalty against them? When their best player was hospitalised and the Columbian culprit not even booked?

Brazil have been one of the dirtiest teams in the tournament. They reaped what they sowed against Columbia.

[hibs4thecup1988]

Brazil have been one of the dirtiest teams in the tournament. They reaped what they sowed against Columbia.

:agree:

And still got away with kicking the player of the tournament off the park - who then got booked for a nothing tackle!

[easty]

:agree:

And still got away with kicking the player of the tournament off the park - who then got booked for a nothing tackle!

It wasnt a nothing tackle, he was booked for a foul, deservedly. Whether or not he'd been fouled 4 or 5 times before he made his foul is irrelevant.

[Keith_M]

Even keekaboo couldn't have jinxed this one. I'm sure he must have secretly been rooting for Brazil.


P*ss off you, I'm depressed.


:dead:

[hibs4thecup1988]

It wasnt a nothing tackle, he was booked for a foul, deservedly. Whether or not he'd been fouled 4 or 5 times before he made his foul is irrelevant.

He pulled out of the tackle, clipped the player and got booked. He had been kicked around the park the whole night with nobody getting booked for it.

[easty]

He pulled out of the tackle, clipped the player and got booked. He had been kicked around the park the whole night with nobody getting booked for it.

So what if he pulled out the tackle? He caught the boy and took him down when he was on a run, it's a yellow card tackle most of the time.

I'm not saying he hadn't been fouled, I'm saying that's irrelevant to the tackle he made, which deserved a booking.

[blackpoolhibs]

13032

[Keith_M]

Laugh if you like, but you lot have no idea of the effect this will have on the German psyche.

They are now so full of confidence, convinced they can do anything, they are already thinking about re-invading the Poles.

That shouldn't really affect us too much, you might think, but wait until somebody tells them the Poles are now all in Scotland!!!

[PeeJay]

I don't know - destroying Brazil 7-1 in Brazil in the World Cup semi-final - I'm still not quite convinced by this German team: do they really have what to takes to become world champions and do it all in South America?

[(((Fergus)))]

Not for the first time the Germans will be forced to lie low in Brazil this evening

:top marks


Most embarrassing semi since my auntie gave me a shoulder massage.

:faf:



The Brasil fans were booing their own players not ze Germans.

At the start they were cheering Brazilian possession and booing German possession. By the end they were booing Brazil and doing oles for the Germans.




13032

:top marks

[(((Fergus)))]

I feared for Brazil when they held up an empty shirt during the anthem, invoking the spirit of an absent person. The Germans on the other hand relied on team spirit and every single player contributed.

[heretoday]

I feared for Brazil when they held up an empty shirt during the anthem, invoking the spirit of an absent person. The Germans on the other hand relied on team spirit and every single player contributed.

It would have been good if Neymar was no.7! Or if Germany had hit ten which they could have done.

[Gatecrasher]

I feared for Brazil when they held up an empty shirt during the anthem, invoking the spirit of an absent person. The Germans on the other hand relied on team spirit and every single player contributed.

Did anyone else think that was really odd? it was almost as they were acting like he was dead.

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Brazil have been one of the dirtiest teams in the tournament. They reaped what they sowed against Columbia.

Agreed. I had been hoping Germany would put them out. I had no idea they would do the job so comprehensively.

Throughout the tournament Brazil have been taking advantage of poor refereeing. It started in the first game against Croatia and continued through the group matches. They were constantly getting away with fouling the opposition, and diving to win freekicks and get the opposition players booked. All to the background of a rapturous - some might say hysterical - home crowd.

The Spanish referee in the Colombia game failed to crack down on their nonsense right at the start. Nothing too serious, but stuff that needed dealing with. Then the Colombians decided to test him, and he failed to act against them.

And then things escalated (as they tend to do when a referee isn't doing his job) until Neymar was seriously injured by a Colombian defender. I'd take a LOT of persuading that the guy didn't hit Neymar deliberately - IMO he should have been sent off. It was an atrocious "challenge" with the ball nowhere near. But it wasn't any worse than stuff the Brazilians had been getting away with earlier on.

That's not to defend the Colombian. He should have walked. But when referees "let the play flow" as the referees in this tournament have been doing someone usually gets hurt.

And Brazil have been the main beneficiaries of the "let play flow" principle throughout, a principle which I read came down from the top - Blatter and Platini, no less. Gotta have a successful tournament. Gotta make sure the hosts go as far as they possibly can.

Brazil got exactly what they deserved last night. :applause::applause::applause:

(I'd love to be there when that Spanish ref turns up at the Camp Nou next season. Barca must be raging - and praying that the ref tonight doesn't allow one of Van Gaal's hard men to nobble Messi as well. And before anyone says it - the Dutch are well capable, as they showed in the last final against Spain.)

[hfc rd]

Had a feeling all day yesterday that Germany were going to knock Brazil out, but certainly didn't think for one moment that the scoreline was going to be 7-1 and Germany would be 5-0 up after only 30 minutes. Absolutely incredible performance and result for the Germans but absolute humiliation on their own backyard for the Brazilians.

Now then Argentina vs Holland tonight. Kind of fancy Holland to win tonight but after last night and throughout this spectacular World Cup, anything could happen.

[over the line]

The Brazilians obviously thought they would get to the final just by wearing the Brazil kit? Well the huge home crowds, the national anthem (I thought Chile did theirs better anyway), and their reputation, coupled with their ordinary and pedestrian style of play, was good enough to get them to the semis. But there was no way that the ice cold, clinical, dream smashing Germans were going to be fooled or "star struck" and had off like all the rest, no way at all!!!

Fair play to Germany, they have done it again (but to a new level!) when it counts!

I wonder how many of the Brazil team fake injury to get out of the third/fourth place game? Would you really want to show your face again? ;)

[MWHIBBIES]

:agree: a lot of 'wise after the event' stuff going on.Not quite, people have been saying they are poor for weeks. They have 1 top defender and when he was out they got destroyed. Obviously this was a freak result but man for man they are no where near Germany

[(((Fergus)))]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zV4CTHUFhig

[heretoday]

I wonder whom Germany would prefer to play in the final?

[SteveHFC]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BsGaOr3CIAAqeoA.jpg

[Haymaker]

Lol, wish I could read portugese!

[ekhibee]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BsDWt3OCcAA6kRh.jpg:large

[hibsbollah]

Some of the 'this is the end of history' type sports editorials im reading today sound like something youd read on kickback. Germany have destroyed Brazil as a nation :hilarious

Humiliated in one game by the Germans. Just like Spain but Spain were without the excuse of missing their best two players.

[One Day Soon]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zV4CTHUFhig

Do I not love that?

[One Day Soon]

Some of the 'this is the end of history' type sports editorials im reading today sound like something youd read on kickback. Germany have destroyed Brazil as a nation :hilarious

Humiliated in one game by the Germans. Just like Spain but Spain were without the excuse of missing their best two players.


Only the Brazilian supporters restored any honour for their country last night. At 2-0 I sent a text saying 4-1, minimum, to Germany. Then I put a bet on in-play for over 6.5 goals. Very nice. Tonight is another night to wait for the in-play after the first ten minutes I think. Though my view is that the Dutch will be tactically smarter and defensively stronger than Argentina. So a safe bet for me is Holland to win and over 1.5 goals, maybe over 2.5.

We MAY be about to see three of the most epic/weird/memorable world cup games we will ever witness. Last night was clearly the first. Brazil having to turn up and field a team to play for third place could be the second in a surreal kind of way - if it doesn't turn into a riot. And the third could be the final - if Holland make it.

The Dutch and the Germans have, shall we say, 'history'. Lots and lots and lots of history. Back at the football I think the Germans look a very complete side. The Dutch on the other hand are a decent enough team with a lot of the nasty stuff in the locker when they decide to bring it. Muller and Robben would be a very tight call as to who should play Flipper in the human version of the famous diving dolphin's story which will no doubt feature. And there's 1974 to be settled when the Dutch thrashed West Germany 1-2 in the final. And then there was the spitting....

The Germans seem to somehow manage a very large support in Brazil so they will be all over the final and their team will be a machine after last night. I think the Dutch - if they make it - may come out fighting in this one in a violent kind of way. Best of all would be the tactical engagement of two superb coaches.

[Onion]

Did anyone else think that was really odd? it was almost as they were acting like he was dead.

:agree: It showed everyone where their minds were at and must have been great encouragement to the Germans. No one man is bigger than a team.... except in Brazil, it appears.

[Keith_M]

The Germans seem to somehow manage a very large support in Brazil so they will be all over the final and their team will be a machine after last night.


Well, there IS a good reason for that.


Quite a lot of the German Fans arrived in 1946 :greengrin

[Iggy Pope]

Do I not love that?

A work of art.

[magpie1892]

Humiliated in one game by the Germans. Just like Spain but Spain were without the excuse of missing their best two players.

Nothing like the Spain (v. Netherlands, I assume) game whatsoever. The differences are numerous and glaring.

[hibsbollah]

Nothing like the Spain (v. Netherlands, I assume) game whatsoever. The differences are numerous and glaring.

I didn't say the game was the same, I said the outcome was the same. Heavy humiliating defeat. Which it was.

[magpie1892]

I didn't say the game was the same, I said the outcome was the same. Heavy humiliating defeat. Which it was.

I think we're at cross purposes here. They were both heavy defeats, but that is the only similarity between the two games.

[hibsbollah]

I think we're at cross purposes here. They were both heavy defeats, but that is the only similarity between the two games.

Your purpose baffles me :dunno: you could elucidate or move on.

[hibsbollah]

Only the Brazilian supporters restored any honour for their country last night. At 2-0 I sent a text saying 4-1, minimum, to Germany. Then I put a bet on in-play for over 6.5 goals. Very nice. Tonight is another night to wait for the in-play after the first ten minutes I think. Though my view is that the Dutch will be tactically smarter and defensively stronger than Argentina. So a safe bet for me is Holland to win and over 1.5 goals, maybe over 2.5.

We MAY be about to see three of the most epic/weird/memorable world cup games we will ever witness. Last night was clearly the first. Brazil having to turn up and field a team to play for third place could be the second in a surreal kind of way - if it doesn't turn into a riot. And the third could be the final - if Holland make it.

The Dutch and the Germans have, shall we say, 'history'. Lots and lots and lots of history. Back at the football I think the Germans look a very complete side. The Dutch on the other hand are a decent enough team with a lot of the nasty stuff in the locker when they decide to bring it. Muller and Robben would be a very tight call as to who should play Flipper in the human version of the famous diving dolphin's story which will no doubt feature. And there's 1974 to be settled when the Dutch thrashed West Germany 1-2 in the final. And then there was the spitting....

The Germans seem to somehow manage a very large support in Brazil so they will be all over the final and their team will be a machine after last night. I think the Dutch - if they make it - may come out fighting in this one in a violent kind of way. Best of all would be the tactical engagement of two superb coaches.

I think we've been deprived of the most glorious final of all, the Brazil Argentina final that the world cup should really have produced by now. Ive got a soft spot for Argentina and id like them to lift the trophy (and it would be nice to attone for that horrible Germany Argentina final of 1990), but im tempted to root for the Dutch for the reasons you describe. It would be wonderful to have a real grudge final.

[down-the-slope]

Right - neck out time to see if I can get winner right as last night.

I'm going 4-1 to the Netherlands - but certainly expect an all Europe final...which will be tasty...as will the 3rd 4th play off

[hibsbollah]

Right - neck out time to see if I can get winner right as last night.

I'm going 4-1 to the Netherlands - but certainly expect an all Europe final...which will be tasty...as will the 3rd 4th play off

No idea at all. I tipped Argentina back at the start so I'll stick with them, but it feels like a Germany Holland final has a kind of inevitability about it. After yesterday, predicting anything seems plain daft.

[down-the-slope]

No idea at all. I tipped Argentina back at the start so I'll stick with them, but it feels like a Germany Holland final has a kind of inevitability about it. After yesterday, people predicting anything are plain daft.

Fixed that for you :greengrin

I'm just glad i'm on my holibobbles and after a nice meal etc I will be one again 'mellow' come KO. Enjoying some nice apple 'champagne' - Aspall Suffolk Organic Cyder...way too nice ..with a spectacular view over the Tay Valley and a temp of 24oC its just perfect...

[hibsbollah]

Fixed that for you :greengrin

I'm just glad i'm on my holibobbles and after a nice meal etc I will be one again 'mellow' come KO. Enjoying some nice apple 'champagne' - Aspall Suffolk Organic Cyder...way too nice ..with a spectacular view over the Tay Valley and a temp of 24oC its just perfect...

A glorious 27 degrees as the sun dips towards the Ionian Sea here Slopey, youd enjoy the fishing too :greengrin :cheers:

[iwasthere1972]

Right - neck out time to see if I can get winner right as last night.

I'm going 4-1 to the Netherlands - but certainly expect an all Europe final...which will be tasty...as will the 3rd 4th play off

I was thinking 3-1 for the Netherlands. Think they could stretch the Argie defence.

[down-the-slope]

A glorious 27 degrees as the sun dips towards the Ionian Sea here Slopey, youd enjoy the fishing too :greengrin :cheers:

Also sounds grand :aok: - full tribe with you ?

I want a fish pic with you looking manly :greengrin

[weonlywon6-2]

I don't know - destroying Brazil 7-1 in Brazil in the World Cup semi-final - I'm still not quite convinced by this German team: do they really have what to takes to become world champions and do it all in South America?

I guess beating a team that have not lost a competitive game on home soil since 1975 is just a bit of luck ????

Brazil are good ,but not great,Germany are a team,not prima donnas,thats the difference

[SteveHFC]

Adrian Chiles is already annoying

[hibsbollah]

Also sounds grand :aok: - full tribe with you ?

I want a fish pic with you looking manly :greengrin

Yes we're all here. Some of the children behaving better than others :rolleyes:
Just watching Robben warmup, amazing ball skills hes got. Dutch strip very smart.

[(((Fergus)))]

nice to see teams in their traditional colours again.

[HibbyAndy]

Not one Argentina player singing along to the national anthem...Manager included.

[hibsbollah]

Go on wee Lionel. Higuain to score.

[lapsedhibee]

The Oranges cheated their way to the semi finals and Robben's an obnoxious twat, so

Mon The Argies:flag:

[hibsbollah]

Strange that. Only Twenty seconds for di stefano?

[(((Fergus)))]

Not one Argentina player singing along to the national anthem...Manager included.

they only played the intro, the words come later.

[Hibbyradge]

12 mins on the clock and only one foul committed.

Not what I expected.

[down-the-slope]

Yes we're all here. Some of the children behaving better than others :rolleyes:
Just watching Robben warmup, amazing ball skills hes got. Dutch strip very smart.

I'm assuming whom the badly behaving child takes after is the subject of hotly contested debate :hilarious

Do they not realise parents need a holiday too? Our 2 are at camp - so first time its just me & mrs s - (mind you my parents are here for a couple of days but they take her side :rolleyes:) and will join us for couple of days at the weekend.

Cant wait till we get out own place near here finished as when weather is decent there is no where better anywhere in the world i've been

this is view out of sittingroom currently

13033

[Mon Dieu4]

I'm assuming whom the badly behaving child takes after is the subject of hotly contested debate :hilarious

Do they not realise parents need a holiday too? Our 2 are at camp - so first time its just me & mrs s - (mind you my parents are here for a couple of days but they take her side :rolleyes:) and will join us for couple of days at the weekend.

Cant wait till we get out own place near here finished as when weather is decent there is no where better anywhere in the world i've been

this is view out of sittingroom currently

13033

You get more like Paw Broon all the time with your but n Ben :na na:

Cracking view, no better place to relax and enjoy the fitba

[down-the-slope]

13034

and view from balcony on other side.....believe me the pictures do not do it justice :aok:

[down-the-slope]

You get more like Paw Broon all the time with your but n Ben :na na:

Cracking view, no better place to relax and enjoy the fitba

:na na: back at you...heres the Bothy I've built over last year......just the house to go :rolleyes:
http://www.handyman-lothian.co.uk/data/storage/attachments/bf6f68ac2311579925047cef29cb7704.jpg

[Mon Dieu4]

:na na: back at you...heres the Bothy I've built over last year......just the house to go :rolleyes:
http://www.handyman-lothian.co.uk/data/storage/attachments/bf6f68ac2311579925047cef29cb7704.jpg

Absolute cracking that, it's exactly what my paw is doing in the next few years when he retires, going to build himself one

[down-the-slope]

Argies doing better than earlier games so far

[hibsbollah]

Both teams hogging possession. Lovely to watch technically but not much goalline action. Lavezzi no end product yet.

Nice bit of pine there Slopes?

[down-the-slope]

needs a goal....

Pine Bollah ?

[hibsbollah]

needs a goal....

Pine Bollah ?

Your decking.

[hibsbollah]

How does Martins Indy not get booked for that? Cynical on lionel.

[down-the-slope]

Your decking.

Ah right. better pics at home (deck is partially in an old Oak) and views even better than here.

Keepers need deck chairs for all the technically good approach play

[Mon Dieu4]

Germany might have used up all the goals last night, this needs to open up a bit

[Mon Dieu4]

Is the ref bored? 2 mins extra time, mascherano was out for about 3 or 4

[Phil D. Rolls]

Cillisen is going to cost Holland the match. Not convinced by his positioning, and he looks too cocky. A bit of a bombscare tbh.

[HibbyAndy]

Germany will piss the final.

A complete and utter bore fest.

[down-the-slope]

I'm glad the red wine and views are great as the match is a bit :yawn2:.....

Hoping that one or other commits more forward so that keepers get involved...

[EdinMike]

Cillisen is going to cost Holland the match. Not convinced by his positioning, and he looks too cocky. A bit of a bombscare tbh.

Said the same myself, don't really rate um. But what do I know I suppose !

[Baader]

Is this ball helium filled?

[Off the bar]

I hope someone wins this inside 90mins I don't think I could handle an extra half hour of this

[HibbyAndy]

Worst game of the world cup?


Absolute turgid.

[down-the-slope]

I see DeMichealis has had his poofy hair cut....much better :agree:

[Onceinawhile]

Worst game of the world cup?


Absolute turgid.

It's not been a cracker, but there was few in the group stages worse than this. Don't forget Nederlands vs Costa Rica was pretty dull until extra time too.

[Onceinawhile]

I see DeMichealis has had his poofy hair cut....much better :agree:

Or just his long hair?

You know, without the homophobia?

[Baader]

Both these sides could play against Germany as one 22 man team right now and still lose... Don't want Germany to win it but looks almost inevitable bar some exceptional Messi magic...

[Onceinawhile]

Both these sides could play against Germany as one 22 man team right now and still lose... Don't want Germany to win it but looks almost inevitable bar some exceptional Messi magic...

No, because you see both teams are defending exceptionally well, something the Germans haven't really encountered yet. (Bar algeria)

[down-the-slope]

This could get Messi / Messy - all the Cyder gone / all the ale gone / red wine on last half glass.....and a bottle of white 'requisitioned'..............:greengrin

Holibobbles are the best.....whereas this game is ....Meh

[Onceinawhile]

Has it been raining like that for the last hour and I've just missed it?

[down-the-slope]

Or just his long hair?

You know, without the homophobia?

which smillie should I have inserted to mitigate this

[Hibernia Na Eir]

distinct lack of yellow in tonight's crowd (chortle, chortle....)

:-)

[Onceinawhile]

which smillie should I have inserted to mitigate this

So either

A) you're a homophobe or
B) you were trolling (per the sticky at the top of the MB).

Good for you.

[Baader]

No, because you see both teams are defending exceptionally well, something the Germans haven't really encountered yet. (Bar algeria)

Hmmm. I like the sentiments but Germany would dispatch either side on this evidence without too much difficulty. If it's the Dutch that progress then forget it -Germany do not lose to Holland in World Cup finals!

[hibsbollah]

Vlaar has been very good tonight in the Dutch defence. Either of these teams can damage Germany on their day but theyve both been so cautious. ...

[Mon Dieu4]

The flag was up was it andy, what gave you that idea?

[down-the-slope]

So either

A) you're a homophobe or
B) you were trolling (per the sticky at the top of the MB).

Good for you.

C) you have had a sense of humour bypass
D) Shocking hair is normal where you live
E) I'm several sheets to the wind and on holiday and have paused social nicenesses
F) :na na:

[hibsbollah]

Two shots on goal. That's it.

[Stax]

Vlaar has been very good tonight in the Dutch defence. Either of these teams can damage Germany on their day but theyve both been so cautious. ...
Agree with this, also think Zabaleta & Mascherano have played well & kept Robben & Van Persie quiet.

[down-the-slope]

Vlaar has been very good tonight in the Dutch defence. Either of these teams can damage Germany on their day but theyve both been so cautious. ...

:agree: so why does he look ordinary in Villa set up

[hibsbollah]

:agree: so why does he look ordinary in Villa set up

I'd forgotten he played in England to be honest.

Aguero for Higuain.

[down-the-slope]

players should not be played out of position ......


Dirk Kuyt - played right wing back 1st half then left wing back second........weird

[down-the-slope]

]I'd forgotten he played in England to be honest.
[/B]
Aguero for Higuain.

This interests me....looks one of best defenders in this tournament.....and yet was ordinary in last seasons EPL....why.......

[hibsbollah]

Wow what a block from Mascherano. He's just outstanding.

[CapitalGreen]

Wow what a block from Mascherano. He's just outstanding.

Reconsidering whether to include him in your team of the tournament yet? ;-)

[Mon Dieu4]

Wow what a block from Mascherano. He's just outstanding.

Messi gets the headlines as usual but he has been the Argies best player in the World Cup

[hibsbollah]

Reconsidering whether to include him in your team of the tournament yet? ;-)


I think I'll have to. He's just been too good. Move Lahm to right back, drop the Chilean right back altogether and bring Xavier to the holding role is my current plan, but I'll keep you posted:greengrin

[Onceinawhile]

Wow what a block from Mascherano. He's just outstanding.

He's really good at the "Rocastle role". People saying the argies only have one player? Rubbish.

[Onceinawhile]

I think I'll have to. He's just been too good. Move Lahm to right back, drop the Chilean right back altogether and bring Xavier to the holding role is my current plan, but I'll keep you posted:greengrin

Javier!!!!!!

[hibsbollah]

Van Persie off. Was he playing?
Van huntelaar on.
will we see Krul again for the pens?

[Gordy M]

Van Persie off. Was he playing?
Van huntelaar on.
will we see Krul again for the pens?
Think the dutch have made three subs already??

[David_D]

will we see Krul again for the pens?

Nope they have made all 3 subs I think.

[Mon Dieu4]

Van Persie off. Was he playing?
Van huntelaar on.
will we see Krul again for the pens?

Not unless you are allowed 4 substitutions :wink:

[hibsbollah]

Not unless you are allowed 4 substitutions :wink:
Its these details you miss when there's no Andy Townsend :agree:
lavezzi off, Maxi Rodriguez on.

[Off the bar]

Walking pace at times now, I get the fear of losing but does no one want to win?

[SHODAN]

Can both teams be kicked out of the cup for being boring, and the trophy awarded to Germany?

[lucky]

Very poor game both teams scared to lose. Germans look a cert to win it now.

[Sylar]

This is up there with the Iran vs Nigeria game. It's dreadful.

[Dan Sarf]

I wonder why the director chose to show the lady with the giant macaranas?

[(((Fergus)))]

which smillie should I have inserted to mitigate this

You said "inserted" :guesswho: :slipper::bandit:


Dutch bench looks like an easyJet board meeting

[Onceinawhile]

Looking more & more like penalties.

[tamig]

I wish Clive Tyldesley would pronounce Messi's first name correctly.

[mutley]

Penalties it is then !

[Mon Dieu4]

Could have went to pens after the first minute in that game

[Hibernia Na Eir]

What is it with these cheating Dutch goalies? !!

[Onceinawhile]

Argentina with a penalty to go 3-1

[cabbageandribs1875]

the dutch guy actually looked at the side he was putting it...wonder if the keeper saw it as well

[hibsbollah]

Romero great save again.
3-1

[Onceinawhile]

Buried.

[SteveHFC]

Yasssss

[Mon Dieu4]

Woohoo I'm in the money either way now, Germany and Argentina were my bets to win it :greengrin

[Hibernia Na Eir]

yaasss!!
tattie bye clog boys :-(

[mutley]

Argentina vs Germany, should be a tasty final

[hibsbollah]

So, it's Germany vs Argentina, a rerun of 1990s festival of cynicism. Let's hope it's a better game this time.

[over the line]

The Brazilians must feel even sicker now!?!?

[GoldenMeerkat]

Ron Vlaar should have been nowhere near that crucial first penalty. Gutted.

[Hibernia Na Eir]

aside from whipping a very poor Spain, the Dutch have also been very disappointing imo.
Should be good on Sunday.

[Jonnyboy]

Mascherano :top marks son

[Onceinawhile]

Just need aguero to score 7 in a 7 goal win and my aguero top goalscorer/argentina to win double comes in.

[Mon Dieu4]

Mascherano :top marks son

He was absolutely outstanding tonight, one of the best performances of the whole tournament but will probably go pretty un noticed due to the position he plays

[(((Fergus)))]

Cillesen also tried to noise up the penalty takers - harder to pull off when the first one is Messi. Good riddance.

[Phil D. Rolls]

Cillisen should have saved at least two of those.

[over the line]

Neither deserve to be in the final after that yawn fest! I've had more entertaining rashes!

[Baader]

Normally like the Dutch but happy to see Argentina through - better chance of winning it against Germany.

Why was Ron Vlaar first penalty taker when Robben fired his in with ease?

[Jonnyboy]

Normally like the Dutch but happy to see Argentina through - better chance of winning it against Germany.

Why was Ron Vlaar first penalty taker when Robben fired his in with ease?

Maybe he's a big fan of KT? :wink:

[marinello59]

Had Argentina on to win each way before the tournament started so delighted they won tonight. What a final we could have.

[GoldenMeerkat]

Don't say this very often, but I really hope the Germans win.

[Mon Dieu4]

I honestly don't care who wins the cup now, I'm just happy that either Lahm or Messi will get their hands on the trophy :not worth

[ScottB]

Based on tonight, Germany will take it. Not been impressed by Argentina at all, so I think Germany will make it title number 4.

Holland currently 2/1 to beat Brazil. Free money based on last night!

[lapsedhibee]

Cillisen should have saved at least two of those.

:agree: Van Krul could have made the difference. Poor from the manager, wasting a sub earlier.

[magpie1892]

Your purpose baffles me :dunno: you could elucidate or move on.

Likewise. Suggest we both do!

[hfc rd]

That was a dire 120 minutes of football. Germany will be licking their lips.

[magpie1892]

Maybe he's a big fan of KT? :wink:

Told you it would be pens, Mr C...

[heretoday]

Based on tonight, Germany will take it. Not been impressed by Argentina at all, so I think Germany will make it title number 4.

Holland currently 2/1 to beat Brazil. Free money based on last night!

What price are Brazil? I bet they win!

[ScottB]

What price are Brazil? I bet they win!

5/4 surprisingly short for a team that could well still be shell shocked!

[Hibrandenburg]

That was a dire 120 minutes of football. Germany will be licking their lips.

They're fools if they are. This ain't over until Sunday night. Would be great to see them parade it in Berlin, my wee boy can hardly sleep a wink he's so excited.

[Hibrandenburg]

You said "inserted" :guesswho: :slipper::bandit:


Dutch bench looks like an easyJet board meeting

Too many with buck teeth.!

[Gatecrasher]

Disappointing game last night, wanted the Netherlands to win but neither team shined. I think the Germans deserve it, they have been (imo) the best team of the world cup.

[J-C]

Disappointing game last night, wanted the Netherlands to win but neither team shined. I think the Germans deserve it, they have been (imo) the best team of the world cup.

Now are the they called the Netherlands or Holland, someone suggested that Holland is indeed an area of the Netherlands but ITV had the team sheet as the Netherlands but in the top corner of the screen it was Holland v Argentina, I even heard a Dutch journalist on Talksport call the team Holland, all very confusing. :confused:

[3pm]

I can't believe Per Mertersacker will be a world champion so for that reason alone I am going for Argentina!

[Gatecrasher]

Now are the they called the Netherlands or Holland, someone suggested that Holland is indeed an area of the Netherlands but ITV had the team sheet as the Netherlands but in the top corner of the screen it was Holland v Argentina, I even heard a Dutch journalist on Talksport call the team Holland, all very confusing. :confused:

I use both, the Dutch were shouting Holland during the game last night.

[Golden Bear]

Disappointing game last night, wanted the Netherlands to win but neither team shined. I think the Germans deserve it, they have been (imo) the best team of the world cup.

:agree:

Undoubtedly.

And let's hope the Final proves to be a better game.

[DarrenSQH]

Terry Butcher on bbc news in a few mins to discuss the World Cup if anyone wants to hear his "expert" opinion

[lapsedhibee]

Disappointing game last night, wanted the Netherlands to win but neither team shined. I think the Germans deserve it, they have been (imo) the best team of the world cup.

Bosch are getting a bit over-rated after their freak result against Brasil. Argies were very good in the first half last night against The Oranges, then tired. If they've recovered by Sunday, they can win (Messi x2 & Higuain x1 v. Mueller x2 & red for Neuer for foul outside the box).

[easty]

You could see why the Dutch used Krul for the pens against Costa Rica. Keeper last night was crap for the pens, especially the last one, 2 hands to it and it still went in.

[Sylar]

Netherlands vs Brazil doesn't exactly get the juices flowing for Saturday - a meaningless friendly really between 2 distraught sides no doubt.

However, a Netherlands game on the 'Glorious 12th' marvelous :rolleyes:

[easty]

An Argentina / Holland double pays almost 9/1 at SkyBet. I'll have a bit of that.

[cabbageandribs1875]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BsDeLcRCEAAhmIB.jpg:large

[hibsbollah]

Disappointing game last night, wanted the Netherlands to win but neither team shined. I think the Germans deserve it, they have been (imo) the best team of the world cup.

Its been a brilliant tournament but peculiar as well. The semi final matchups were predictable but all the big teams got lucky in various ganes; Mexico could easily have beaten Brazil and Holland and put them out, Germany looked uninspiring against Ghana, squeaked past Algeria and looked average for long spells against France, Chile lost to Brazil on pens, Costa Rica just losing out to Holland, USA unlucky against Belgium etc etc.
For me the best team were Colombia, who were bullied out of going further by a physical Brazil.

[MWHIBBIES]

I can't believe Per Mertersacker will be a world champion so for that reason alone I am going for Argentina!Truly unbelievable that a guy with over 100 caps for Germany who was one of the best defenders in the world last season could win the world cup? I assume you one of the people who don't rate him because he isn't quick?

[cabbageandribs1875]

how many goals have been scored now ? i was convinced the total wouldn't equal the 171 record, but those 8 goals the other night maybe puts my prediction in jeopardy :)

[hfc rd]

how many goals have been scored now ? i was convinced the total wouldn't equal the 171 record, but those 8 goals the other night maybe puts my prediction in jeopardy :)


167 goals scored so far. Only 5 goals away from beating the record.

[cabbageandribs1875]

167 goals scored so far. Only 5 goals away from beating the record.


ah well that's that prediction down the pan then :( ta, damn you Brazil :) it's still possible with just the two games left though :greengrin

[--------]

Cillesen also tried to noise up the penalty takers - harder to pull off when the first one is Messi. Good riddance.


Cillisen should have saved at least two of those.


But I love it when a cunning plan goes totally pear-shaped.

First he makes a substitution that tells the whole worldhe reckons Goalie A's much better at saving penalties than goalie B. (Not surprising considering Goalie B has never in his whole career ever saved a penalty kick.)

Then you confirm that yes, you'll probably take off goalie B and pout on goalie A in the semi if penalties look likely.

Then you use all three subs (the last one with penalties looking VERY likely indeed) without subbing the goalie, leaving goalie B to face the penalties knowing you and all his team-mates have considerably less than full confidence in him to do the job.

Goalie B tries to make like he knows what he's doing, but actually makes a complete cod of it. (Not surprising considering he's never in his whole career ever saved a penalty kick.)

Goalie A has to stand in the centre-circle watching as his chance of World Cup glory slips through the hands of his sub-standard colleague goalie B, who has never in his whole career ever saved a penalty kick. (Did I mention that before?)

Luvly. :devil:



:agree: Van Krul could have made the difference. Poor from the manager, wasting a sub earlier.

Is he VAN Krul? He's just 'Krul', isn't he?

Used to like the Dutch back in the days of Johann Cruyff and Co. This lot are a very unattractive bunch (Schneider, Robben, De Jong ...) and Van Gaal a man I hope very much will come a massive cropper in his next job.

[Haymaker]

Last nights game plays into Germanys hands, an extra days rest and 30mins less football.

[hibsbollah]

Disappointing game last night, wanted the Netherlands to win but neither team shined. I think the Germans deserve it, they have been (imo) the best team of the world cup.

Its been a brilliant tournament but peculiar as well. The semi final matchups were predictable but all the big teams got lucky in various games to get there; Mexico could easily have beaten Brazil and Holland and put either of them out, Germany looked uninspiring against Ghana, squeaked past Algeria and looked average for long spells against France, Chile lost to Brazil on pens, Costa Rica just losing out to Holland, USA unlucky against Belgium etc etc.

For me the best team in the tournament were Colombia, who were bullied out of going further by an over physical Brazil.

Germany have looked vulnerable at the back against fast strikers prepared to run at them (Ghana, Algeria) and Aguerro Messi and Di Maria if fit are some of the best players in the world at doing that. Automatically assuming a Germany win because of what happened in the semis is a dangerous bet imo.

[ScottB]

Last nights game plays into Germanys hands, an extra days rest and 30mins less football.

I'd argue more than that, for all the effort Germany had to put in beyond the 30 minute mark in their own game!

[Haymaker]

I'd argue more than that, for all the effort Germany had to put in beyond the 30 minute mark in their own game!

There is that as well!

[lapsedhibee]

Is he VAN Krul? He's just 'Krul', isn't he?



Van Persie off. Was he playing?
Van huntelaar on.

:hmmm:

[Corstorphine Hibby]

They're fools if they are. This ain't over until Sunday night. Would be great to see them parade it in Berlin, my wee boy can hardly sleep a wink he's so excited.


Triumphant Germans parading through the streets of Berlin ? It's got a hint of déjà vu about it.

[(((Fergus)))]

:hmmm:

If in doubt, add a "Van". So glad the Dutch are out. They hint at brilliance but always **** it up with their misplaced arrogance.

[(((Fergus)))]

Important update for SteveHFC:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2686930/A-model-fan-Belgian-teen-lands-LOreal-contract-photographed-World-Cup-game.html

Oh, and heads up - seems she's handy with a gun :wink:

[PeeJay]

I

Germany have looked vulnerable at the back against fast strikers prepared to run at them (Ghana, Algeria) and Aguerro Messi and Di Maria if fit are some of the best players in the world at doing that. Automatically assuming a Germany win because of what happened in the semis is a dangerous bet imo.

Some fair points there, but I can't see this German team letting this opportunity slip away now - Argentina is as good as (if not better than) any team they have come up against so far, particularly in defence, but they were really disappointing going forward in the semi, I thought. Messi will need to do more than he has achieved up to now to win the cup, but he will be the one Germany have to keep under lock and key. Thought Di Maria was out of the tournament, but seems he may return for the final (?) - a great player too, if he plays that would make for a tougher game.

As you say, the German defence - under pressure - is suspect (particularly that Lamm chappie at RB IMO ), but they will surely score a goal or goals, the earlier it comes the tougher for the Argentinians. Argentina's best chance of scoring may be on the break, after soaking up the German attack - but then Neuer's playing sweeper now too, so they have to get past him, as well.

If it goes to penalties, then (assuming there is no replay) it is anyone's game I suppose ...

[ekhibee]

Its been a brilliant tournament but peculiar as well. The semi final matchups were predictable but all the big teams got lucky in various games to get there; Mexico could easily have beaten Brazil and Holland and put either of them out, Germany looked uninspiring against Ghana, squeaked past Algeria and looked average for long spells against France, Chile lost to Brazil on pens, Costa Rica just losing out to Holland, USA unlucky against Belgium etc etc.

For me the best team in the tournament were Colombia, who were bullied out of going further by an over physical Brazil.

Germany have looked vulnerable at the back against fast strikers prepared to run at them (Ghana, Algeria) and Aguerro Messi and Di Maria if fit are some of the best players in the world at doing that. Automatically assuming a Germany win because of what happened in the semis is a dangerous bet imo.
Some excellent points hibsbollah, but I would suggest that Germany are more dangerous as an attacking unit than Argentina, but that's just my opinion for what it's worth. Di Maria, if fit, would likely have made a difference against the Dutch, but he's been erratic to say the least. Messi, at times, looks knackered, and hasn't really looked like the player we all know he is. Aguero, just back from injury, but he looks ready to fire. I suppose I'm just not totally convinced that this Argentina team have what it takes to beat the Germans, but I could easily be wrong about that.

[Phil D. Rolls]

Netherlands vs Brazil doesn't exactly get the juices flowing for Saturday - a meaningless friendly really between 2 distraught sides no doubt.

However, a Netherlands game on the 'Glorious 12th' marvelous :rolleyes:

That means nothing in Holland.

[Hibrandenburg]

Triumphant Germans parading through the streets of Berlin ? It's got a hint of déjà vu about it.

Yeah you're right, it'll be the 4th time and it's becoming tedious.

[HappyAsHellas]

I think Germany looked vulnerable against Algeria and Ghana because of the very high defensive line they take at some games. Doubt they'll try it in the final, but you never know. Argentina will have to step up a gear or two though, which is always possible.

[Sylar]

That means nothing in Holland.

I was thinking more as an opportunity for the morons in the West of Scotland to use it as an excuse to extend their drinking party into the late hours.

As an unrelated aside, anyone seen the video doing the rounds of Ron Vlaar's penalty? After Romero saved it, it landed in front of the six yard line with backspin and eventually creeps toward the line and ends up....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uX2AfxFelj4

REMATCH! :greengrin*

*I'm quite aware by looking at it, the ball's not over but it would have been an interesting story

[Phil D. Rolls]

I was thinking more as an opportunity for the morons in the West of Scotland to use it as an excuse to extend their drinking party into the late hours.

As an unrelated aside, anyone seen the video doing the rounds of Ron Vlaar's penalty? After Romero saved it, it landed in front of the six yard line with backspin and eventually creeped over the line.

REMATCH! :greengrin

Remember the time Holland played ROI, and the fans got along brilliantly? Must have caused a lot of confusion in Glasgow.

[(((Fergus)))]

Yeah you're right, it'll be the 4th time and it's becoming tedious.

They might have had a parade in 74 thanks to Juergen Sparwasser, but in 1954? Did they even have one in 1990? Might be the first world cup win with a proper German capital.

[(((Fergus)))]

I was thinking more as an opportunity for the morons in the West of Scotland to use it as an excuse to extend their drinking party into the late hours.

As an unrelated aside, anyone seen the video doing the rounds of Ron Vlaar's penalty? After Romero saved it, it landed in front of the six yard line with backspin and eventually creeps toward the line and ends up....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uX2AfxFelj4

REMATCH! :greengrin*

*I'm quite aware by looking at it, the ball's not over but it would have been an interesting story

That was bloody close. GLT would have given a goal.

[marti1875]

I was thinking more as an opportunity for the morons in the West of Scotland to use it as an excuse to extend their drinking party into the late hours.

As an unrelated aside, anyone seen the video doing the rounds of Ron Vlaar's penalty? After Romero saved it, it landed in front of the six yard line with backspin and eventually creeps toward the line and ends up....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uX2AfxFelj4

REMATCH! :greengrin*

*I'm quite aware by looking at it, the ball's not over but it would have been an interesting story

but it looks very much like Vlaar touched it again though? :confused::greengrin

[Jonnyboy]

As another unrelated aside I wonder what folk thought of the Dutch strip? Looks like a Nike template job, not that different to our new one :greengrin

[Hibernia Na Eir]

Terry Butcher on bbc news in a few mins to discuss the World Cup if anyone wants to hear his "expert" opinion

Head down, hands in pocket Butcher?

please no.

[Onceinawhile]

but it looks very much like Vlaar touched it again though? :confused::greengrin

Seen it from a different angle and it definitely touches him again.

Think there's also something to do with forward momentum or some such Jazz.

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

Are the Dutch fans walking en masse to the game tonight?

[Mon Dieu4]

Penalty for the Dutch already, looked outside the box to me

[Mr Grieves]

Penalty for the Dutch already, looked outside the box to me

And Silva should have been off!

[GoldenMeerkat]

Should have been a straight red, referee bottled it.

[Mon Dieu4]

And Silva should have been off!

Yep any later in the game and he would have been, hate how you get away with things early doors

[hfc rd]

Should have been a straight red for Thiago Silva and a free-kick as foul was committed outside of the box. Referee bottled it big time!