Bursic

[ChuckNor]

Cancel the loan agreement asap. He is absolutely dreadful.

[CallumLaidlaw]

Cancel the loan agreement asap. He is absolutely dreadful.

He’s not at fault for either goal.


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[Jim44]

He’s not at fault for either goal.


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Yes he was. As I said in the match thread, his terrible clearance put us on the back foot in the first place.

[Vault Boy]

Poor for the first goal. Nothing he could do with the second, other than making a better clearance. Another of the new signings who has made a concerning start at Hibs.

[blackpoolhibs]

Poor for the first goal. Nothing he could do with the second, other than making a better clearance. Another of the new signings who has made a concerning start at Hibs.
:agree:

[Heisenberg]

Poor for the first goal. Nothing he could do with the second, other than making a better clearance. Another of the new signings who has made a concerning start at Hibs.

He got the ball out wide enough for me, not a single Hibs player reacting to defend the cross was way worse. As was the attempt to defend the ball over the top intially by Ekpiteta.

[Viva_Palmeiras]

Is this the rage now pull out a player during a match and create a separate thread for a specific spotlight?


Gonna be a loonnnngggggg looooonnnggg season.

on second thoughts declutters the match thread fair enough.

[Hibee Mac]

Looks very much like another keeper who can't make a meaningful save. Has looked poor and partially at fault for every goal we have conceded so far on the league for me.

Celtics second isn't the wonder strike some are making out, it's not even in the corner!

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[Centre Hawf]

Poor for the first goal. Nothing he could do with the second, other than making a better clearance. Another of the new signings who has made a concerning start at Hibs.

He's played 1.5 league games so far and has gotten nowhere near 4 different goals, the 5th he was nowhere near because he fluffed the initial save.

There's room in a season for the odd 'keeper had no chance' moment but he's had it for four different goals in three halves of football. Maybe he's just quite poor at covering his goal?

[ChuckNor]

First goal he’s pushed it back into play. Terrible. Second there is no explanation for that terrible effort of a clearance. Position is poor for the strike and leads with the wrong hand. Absolutely dreadful goalkeeper.

Our “partner club” had a goalie that was one of the best in our division last season. Why didn’t we get him?

[Heisenberg]

First goal he’s pushed it back into play. Terrible. Second there is no explanation for that terrible effort of a clearance. Position is poor for the strike and leads with the wrong hand. Absolutely dreadful goalkeeper.

First goal, why does our very experienced central defender end up miles away from Kyogo in the first place to let him have a shot? He looks *****.

[Spike Mandela]

Too young and inexperienced to be a first pick no.1 in this league imo, irrespective of his abilities. Laddies been hung out to dry.

I was expecting an international goalie or someone on the fringes of their international team. We have in the past had the likes of Rough, Leighton, Goram, Marshall, Marciano, Andersson, Colgan etc Not getting these vibes with a 23 yr old.

[Unseen work]

First goal he needs to do much much better

Second goal I thought he could have took a touch but then sclaffed his clearance

I would genuinely consider cancelling it too. He’s had a couple of moments already and we’re second game in.

We saw what happened to United when they had a dodgy keeper

Bring in Will Dennis on loan

[Centre Hawf]

First goal he needs to do much much better

Second goal I thought he could have took a touch but then sclaffed his clearance

I would genuinely consider cancelling it too. He’s had a couple of moments already and we’re second game in.

We saw what happened to United when they had a dodgy keeper

Bring in Will Dennis on loan

Him or the A-League boy must surely be head n shoulders above this guy?

[Springbank]

Heavy gottskalksson vibes
Everything on target goes in

[LunasBoots]

Reminds me of Oxley, he hasn't exactly had alot of game time so maybe needs some time.

[The dalmeny]

Threads like this are great to weed out the people who k ow f all about goalkeeping.

[Callum_62]

Adam bogan was hopeless first few games

I haven't seen any replays but thought he couldve done better at the first

No chance at 2nd

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[ChuckNor]

Yep. We need to get this boy gone. As with Dundee United last season he’s going to take us to a relegation spot. Shockingly poor.

[Scottie]

He got the ball out wide enough for me, not a single Hibs player reacting to defend the cross was way worse. As was the attempt to defend the ball over the top intially by Ekpiteta.
:agree: Miller sleeping again he didn’t even see Forrest behind him who squares the ball easy tap in. Decent save from the goalie imo.

[LunasBoots]

It's a bit early to send him back though 😂

[Spike Mandela]

We’ve got to give him a chance though. Whilst I was disappointed we didn’t go for somebody more experienced, somebody, somewhere must have seen something in him to make him our no.1.

[1875Sean]

Far too early to shoot him down, good save there

[Smartie]

Reminds me of Oxley, he hasn't exactly had alot of game time so maybe needs some time.

That’s who he reminds me of.

No real howlers, looks competent enough but doesn’t actually save much.

[ChuckNor]

I reiterate. Dodgy. We need much better.

[GreenCastle]

Wasn’t convinced - still not convinced - decent CV but reason no bigger teams have taken him.

Don’t think it helps what’s in front of him but…

St Mirren x2 goals he was poor
Celtic 1st goal poor.

Not a great start.

[Smartie]

Doesn’t look like much of a keeper to me.

The understudy looks to be very much signed as an understudy rather than competition too.

Not great for a key position.

But still possibly not as worrying as the midfield and defence.

[Unseen work]

The header that resulted in Mikey Johnstone getting injured was awful goalkeeping

How he never held that is beyond me never mind the area he parried it into

[He's here!]

We’ve got to give him a chance though. Whilst I was disappointed we didn’t go for somebody more experienced, somebody, somewhere must have seen something in him to make him our no.1.

The same somebody, somewhere who has thought our midfield has been up to scratch for the last few years?

[The Captain....]

Gives me the fear, don't like his positioning and can't use his feet. Not sure what we've seen in him to bring him in.

[Smartie]

The header that resulted in Mikey Johnstone getting injured was awful goalkeeping

How he never held that is beyond me never mind the area he parried it into

I thought it was dreadful and was surprised it wasn’t highlighted more on the match thread.

[Unseen work]

Gives me the fear, don't like his positioning and can't use his feet. Not sure what we've seen in him to bring him in.

On his feet……why doesn’t he move them when someone hits a shot?! I think that’s why he never looks like saving any or why he always looks like he can’t reach them

I’m glad he enjoyed celebrating the save at 2-0 down

[Centre Hawf]

It is plain to see after two games at this level (that isn't against lower division sides) he's not an upgrade on Marsh from last year. If anything he's looked worse so far which is the last thing we needed.

[#2 Double Tap]

give boruc the gloves.

[Tully]

The midfield is Hibs problem same players have had the last 5 managers sacked, that to me is the priority we get over run every match there

[tamig]

Cancel the loan agreement asap. He is absolutely dreadful.

Garbage.

[Exuberance1875]

He looks so bad and the sub goalie looks even worse

[ChuckNor]

He looks so bad and the sub goalie looks even worse
The sub goalie will be getting a chance at some stage at this rate. As could Boruc. Bursic looks incredibly poor.

[Centre Hawf]

The sub goalie will be getting a chance at some stage at this rate. As could Boruc. Bursic looks incredibly poor.

Worrying because all three have looked horrifically short of the standard required.

[ChuckNor]

Threads like this are great to weed out the people who k ow f all about goalkeeping.

Threads like this are about people sharing opinions. I’m sharing mine and it seems many people agree. He has looked very ropey and doesn’t inspire any confidence. He can’t save. He can’t kick. He offers nothing. If we are worried about relegation, which I must say has crossed my mind watching the garbage we’ve produced so far, then identifying a critical problem fast is key.

[JimBHibees]

First goal he’s pushed it back into play. Terrible. Second there is no explanation for that terrible effort of a clearance. Position is poor for the strike and leads with the wrong hand. Absolutely dreadful goalkeeper.

Our “partner club” had a goalie that was one of the best in our division last season. Why didn’t we get him?

He pushed it wide a deflected shot up to defenders to get there first. Obita much more at fault imo

[The dalmeny]

He pushed it wide a deflected shot up to defenders to get there first. Obita much more at fault imo


Agree the push wide was what to expect, perhaps the deflection stopped him getting it further. If the was an issue it was once he was back on his feet. Right foot seemed to be off the pitch, could have been more to the right. Defenders need to do more there.

Second goal just a good strike, no getting it even with foam gloves on.

But hey let's bash a player still settling in (not you)

[B.H.F.C]

I didn’t think he did anything wrong at the first goal. Pushed it wide and I don’t think he could have held it. Celtic players on their toes, our defence standing still.

[Heisenberg]

He pushed it wide a deflected shot up to defenders to get there first. Obita much more at fault imo

Yep. As usual Hibs players don’t react in a defensive situation and the opposition are on their toes.

[GreenCastle]

I didn’t think he did anything wrong at the first goal. Pushed it wide and I don’t think he could have held it. Celtic players on their toes, our defence standing still.

Push it behind for corner ?

[hfcok]

He looks so bad and the sub goalie looks even worse

Yes totally agree, I think the young Boruc is by far the better keeper, even in stature, he fills the goals.

[TelaStella]

Yep. We need to get this boy gone. As with Dundee United last season he’s going to take us to a relegation spot. Shockingly poor.

There will be way more reasons for us ending up relegated (if we do) than Bursik


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[Hibees1973]

Him signing has a whiff of Ian Gordon all over it.

Going for a goalie at an overseas club when there are more suitable goalkeepers in our league. I know Liam Kelly (now at Rangers) and in the Scotland squad was offered to Hibs by his agent 3 times. Even one of our ex-goalkeepers Laidlaw at Ross County would be a better fit.

[Springbank]

Push it behind for corner ?

100%

I find it depressing that there are a dozen or so people in Leith who think that was SPFL standard of goalkeeping

An absolute slow trundler of a shot

He does the ONE THING that gives our opponents a potential goal

Very concerning early impressions

[Cabbage-Patch]

give boruc the gloves.

Boruc was awful on loan last season to Arbroath. At fault for a shed load of goals and they ended up getting relegated. He's not the answer.

Murray Johnson has a poor start at Airdrie too


We haven't had a good keeper since Marciano.

[Cabbage-Patch]

Him signing has a whiff of Ian Gordon all over it.

Going for a goalie at an overseas club when there are more suitable goalkeepers in our league. I know Liam Kelly (now at Rangers) and in the Scotland squad was offered to Hibs by his agent 3 times. Even one of our ex-goalkeepers Laidlaw at Ross County would be a better fit.

Will Dennis who was at Killie last season and now back at our supposed partner club Bournemouth would be perfect but no we sign a two keepers who hardly played last season

[HibeeSince85]

It's early doors but he didn't do anything that filled me with confidence. His distribution wasn't great, he wasn't great at crosses or coming off his line quick enough to sweep up. I thought he did okay at the first goal and out defenders should have been quicker. The second was a good strike too. He should've been our No 2 and we should have got Mitov or Dennis

[Wheat Hound]

Him signing has a whiff of Ian Gordon all over it.

Going for a goalie at an overseas club when there are more suitable goalkeepers in our league. I know Liam Kelly (now at Rangers) and in the Scotland squad was offered to Hibs by his agent 3 times. Even one of our ex-goalkeepers Laidlaw at Ross County would be a better fit.

Agreed. Always trying to be smart and play half assed moneyball.

[Dashing Bob S]

Not great for either goal but far from the lions share of the guilt. The way we had five defenders clustered together on the left in the box while the Celtic player coming in from the right was allowed a free run and shot at goal was frankly embarrassing

[Big_Franck]

I'm still hoping he's just rusty and needs games, but he wasn't great again today. If this continues we might need to sign another keeper before the end of the month.

[LaMotta]

Boruc was awful on loan last season to Arbroath. At fault for a shed load of goals and they ended up getting relegated. He's not the answer.

Murray Johnson has a poor start at Airdrie too


We haven't had a good keeper since Marciano.

:agree:The mad thing was that were people claiming Marciano would be no loss and that he was easily replaceable.

[Scotty Leither]

I'm still hoping he's just rusty and needs games, but he wasn't great again today. If this continues we might need to sign another keeper before the end of the month.

I think between him and the other guy Smith, prior to coming to Hibs, they have played less than ten games between them in the last 2/3 seasons?

Signing an inexperienced goalkeeper to come in and play behind a shaky defence is madness…does anybody senior at this club have the first idea of what they’re doing?

[BILLYHIBS]

Not great for either goal but far from the lions share of the guilt. The way we had five defenders clustered together on the left in the box while the Celtic player coming in from the right was allowed a free run and shot at goal was frankly embarrassing

Kelty Hearts as well

[BoomtownHibees]

Kelty Hearts as well

He didn’t even play against Kelty 😂

[1875M]

:agree:The mad thing was that were people claiming Marciano would be no loss and that he was easily replaceable.

Aye, Marciano was excellent for this level. Don’t give a f*** how good he is with his feet, I prefer my keepers to keep the ball out the net first and foremost.

[Bishop Hibee]

Eh? I thought he played well.

[JohnM1875]

Eh? I thought he played well.

Haven't seen it back yet, but thought he should've pushed the shot out wider for their first, potentially being really harsh. But other than I totally agree with you.

[Unseen work]

Him signing has a whiff of Ian Gordon all over it.

Going for a goalie at an overseas club when there are more suitable goalkeepers in our league. I know Liam Kelly (now at Rangers) and in the Scotland squad was offered to Hibs by his agent 3 times. Even one of our ex-goalkeepers Laidlaw at Ross County would be a better fit.

In fairness, Kelly has been absolutely brutal for Motherwell lately and I know a lot wanted a better keeper. Some of his mistakes last year were horrendous

Him getting a move to rangers is mental.

Suppose they just want a Scottish keeper happy to sit on the bench

[LaMotta]

Aye, Marciano was excellent for this level. Don’t give a f*** how good he is with his feet, I prefer my keepers to keep the ball out the net first and foremost.

:agree: Best shot stopper I've seen at Easter Road IMO, and I watched Goram and Leighton.

[GreenNWhiteArmy]

2 league games and we're sending back a player. This place and everything surrounding the club is so negative just now.

[lugz]

Haven't seen it back yet, but thought he should've pushed the shout out wider for their first, potentially being really harsh. But other than I totally agree with you.

Looked a good save in real time, if we’re being overly critical he could have put it round the post. No surprise that the Celtic players reacted faster to create an easy chance from the rebound. No chance with the 2nd but if I was him I’d be going mental at my defence/midfield at least 5 players making no effort to close McGregor down.

[JohnM1875]

2 league games and we're sending back a player. This place and everything surrounding the club is so negative just now.

Dunno if it's social media just becoming more common place and a source of info, but football discourse had become mental on the aback of it. Players aren't allowed a mistake or a single bad game these days. Crazy

[DH1875]

What's happening with Will Dennis at Bournemouth? Really surprised he's not here.

[GreenCastle]

2 league games and we're sending back a player. This place and everything surrounding the club is so negative just now.

It’s actually 5 games - last 2 were his first official test against better teams.

5 goals let in during 2 games. 3 out of 5 he could do better. 2 long range shots you could argue he could save also.

Let’s see how it goes at Celtic park.

My concern is we needed a keeper who will make saves to win us close games…I felt Marshall was past it but I’m pretty convinced Marshall wouldn’t have let in 5 in last 2 games.
Still early but

[JimBHibees]

2 league games and we're sending back a player. This place and everything surrounding the club is so negative just now.

Couldn't agree more absolutely ridiculous

[JimBHibees]

Eh? I thought he played well.

Thought was fine

[GreenNWhiteArmy]

It’s actually 5 games - last 2 were his first official test against better teams.

5 goals let in during 2 games. 3 out of 5 he could do better. 2 long range shots you could argue he could save also.

Let’s see how it goes at Celtic park.

My concern is we needed a keeper who will make saves to win us close games…I felt Marshall was past it but I’m pretty convinced Marshall wouldn’t have let in 5 in last 2 games.
Still early but

I don't remember anything untoward during the league Cup campaign though? I've saw the goals today, they're hardly "punt back to parent club and sign an new number 1" worthy imo.

[GreenNWhiteArmy]

What's happening with Will Dennis at Bournemouth? Really surprised he's not here.

I'm sure I saw that he was involved in the Bournemouth pre season either due to their keeper being at a major (euros or copa, possibly even Olympics!?) But might be imagining that

I agree, a no brainer. Perhaps if we've kissed and made up with Foley, we might see him or another although signing that other keeper might nullify that. Shame as he looked quality

[GreenCastle]

I don't remember anything untoward during the league Cup campaign though? I've saw the goals today, they're hardly "punt back to parent club and sign an new number 1" worthy imo.

He only had 1 shot to save in the league cup campaign and Queens Park scored.

I’ve just watched the goal again and he could have saved it.

My bigger concern is the back up looks way off it - if Bursic gets injured again it’s a massive concern.

[greenlex]

:agree: Best shot stopper I've seen at Easter Road IMO, and I watched Goram and Leighton.
There is no way on anybodies earth never mind Gods that Rocky was a better shot stopper than Goram. None whatsoever.

[ChuckNor]

I stand by my original post. It is clear fairly early on with any goalkeeper whether they’re reliable or not. The fact is he has been at fault/partially at fault for all the goals scored in the league so far. He made one okay save today and that’s it. His kicking today was appalling as well. He fumbled a soft header straight at him toward the end and nearly cleaned out one of the opponents trying to catch it. He’s not just going to wake up tomorrow and become a decent shot stopper, kicker or handler etc.

If we can ship him off and get the lad from Bournemouth in asap then we should absolutely do it. This guy is going to cost us several points. Mark my words.

[wookie70]

There is no way on anybodies earth never mind Gods that Rocky was a better shot stopper than Goram. None whatsoever. Goram was the best shot stopper I have ever seen. Rocky was a very good shot stopper but not even in the same class imo

[Biffo]

Total joke the blame being applied to the keeper here for both goals.

First goal the defence was ball watching after the initial shot had been parried, keepers fault Miller switched off and the others just froze? I don't think so.

Second, was a poor kick from a poor back pass. Was he just to let it go for a corner? Again, it's his fault that 20 seconds after his kick, every hibs player decides McGregor isn't worth closing down, and he hits a cracking shot into the net that most keepers would fail to stop.

Have a word!

The team were dire in the first half, not much better in the second. Trying to apply blame on the keeper is ridiculous, in my opinion.

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[wookie70]

Total joke the blame being applied to the keeper here for both goals.

First goal the defence was ball watching after the initial shot had been parried, keepers fault Miller switched off and the others just froze? I don't think so.

Second, was a poor kick from a poor back pass. Was he just to let it go for a corner? Again, it's his fault that 20 seconds after his kick, every hibs player decides McGregor isn't worth closing down, and he hits a cracking shot into the net that most keepers would fail to stop.

Have a word!

The team were dire in the first half, not much better in the second. Trying to apply blame on the keeper is ridiculous, in my opinion.

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I thought at the game he could have done better with the first but having now watched it back it was a decent stop from a well hit shot. So many other parts of the defence more culpable than the goalie

[Nicho87]

I’m more concerned about big Marv rather than the goalie

[percy veer]

File under mark Oxley. too small

[Pretty Boy]

I think it's harsh to blame him for the first goal. The original shot didn't have a lot of power on it but was right in the corner and he was at full stretch. If anything the shot being more firmly struck would have benefited him and he'd have got more on the push, as it was he had to generate any power and didn't get it very far from goal. He still got it wide though and can't be blamed for our entire defence and midfield falling asleep and not reacting to the 2nd ball or tracking runners. Marv was caught wrong side of Kyogo in the build up as well and our defensive line was appalling that led to him being onside in the first place; that was a common theme throughout the game with both full backs being culprits.

2nd is a great strike, he'd never saving that and neither is almost any other keeper in the league.

[LaMotta]

There is no way on anybodies earth never mind Gods that Rocky was a better shot stopper than Goram. None whatsoever.

I've never seen a better display of shot stopping from a Hibs keeper than Rocky v Celtic in the nil nil at Easter Road under Lennon. Goram was tremendous but I absolutely stand by that statement. Goram made a fair few mistakes in his time at Hibs as well that people seem to forget about. Rocky made a few as well. They all make mistakes.

[Gloucester Hibs]

I called him the new Chris Maxwell last week in that he never seems to make a notable save but thought he actually had a few decent stops today. The first wasn’t a glaring error for me - he’s made a good save and tipped the ball away from immediate danger. He could feel aggrieved at the slow reaction times of our defenders, a recurring theme from last week.

[B.H.F.C]

I called him the new Chris Maxwell last week in that he never seems to make a notable save but thought he actually had a few decent stops today. The first wasn’t a glaring error for me - he’s made a good save and tipped the ball away from immediate danger. He could feel aggrieved at the slow reaction times of our defenders, a recurring theme from last week.

Defence much more culpable at the first. Being so high up the park against Kyogo in the first place is suicide. I then don’t think Bursik can do much deferent to what he did. Miller and Obita then both sleeping.

We are an absolute dream to play against.

[WestStandWillie]

He was very vocal against Peterhead but seems to have swallowed his tongue since. Too quiet in the last couple of games. Lacks a presence.

Not convinced he should be our number 1 but happy to be proved wrong.

[hibsbollah]

In fairness, Kelly has been absolutely brutal for Motherwell lately and I know a lot wanted a better keeper. Some of his mistakes last year were horrendous

Him getting a move to rangers is mental.

Suppose they just want a Scottish keeper happy to sit on the bench

:agree: Liam Kelly was always a player i liked but his stats last few seasons back up the visual assessment that hes gone downhill.
I think on Bursic folk (and i mean by this genuine folk, not the same constantly negative posters who get fired into new players at every opportunity) need to calm down a bit. Hes played two league games and a handful of summer league cup games where he was barely tested. Not a big enough body of evidence yet to say what hes going to be like. And there has been absolutely nothing wrong with his ‘feet’ or his positioning so far, im not sure if folk know what they mean with this.

[McGruber]

Currently between stools - talk of cancelling the loan is a nonesense, 2 games in. Like any other player needs time to settle in and get his game going. That said, it hasn't been a great start. Suspect for the first 2 St Mirren goals and the first Celtic goal. I don't think the first Celtic goal was a howler at all, just expect the good keepers to have turned it round the post at least - and he wasn't helped by any defenders either. Was right behind the strike for the Celtic second, he had no chance. Obviously a bit poor with the clearance earlier but that just lost possession not a goal. Think he had a few other good saves yesterday 2nd half, was up the other end so not seen back

[Scotty Leither]

Currently between stools - talk of cancelling the loan is a nonesense, 2 games in. Like any other player needs time to settle in and get his game going. That said, it hasn't been a great start. Suspect for the first 2 St Mirren goals and the first Celtic goal. I don't think the first Celtic goal was a howler at all, just expect the good keepers to have turned it round the post at least - and he wasn't helped by any defenders either. Was right behind the strike for the Celtic second, he had no chance. Obviously a bit poor with the clearance earlier but that just lost possession not a goal. Think he had a few other good saves yesterday 2nd half, was up the other end so not seen back

If the ball is on his right foot for a clearance he barely gets it out the box. I really thought we would have signed an established, experienced goalkeeper, but instead it looks like we’ve got another rookie laddie who will be making any mistakes in the full harsh glare of first-team football.

Our recruitment team continues to baffle me, and not in a good way.

[ChuckNor]

:agree: Liam Kelly was always a player i liked but his stats last few seasons back up the visual assessment that hes gone downhill.
I think on Bursic folk (and i mean by this genuine folk, not the same constantly negative posters who get fired into new players at every opportunity) need to calm down a bit. Hes played two league games and a handful of summer league cup games where he was barely tested. Not a big enough body of evidence yet to say what hes going to be like. And there has been absolutely nothing wrong with his ‘feet’ or his positioning so far, im not sure if folk know what they mean with this.

Look at his positioning for the first goal against St Mirren and come back to me. Also, going forward, watch his kicking. You'll see what I mean. I'd be willing to bet he won't work out here. As someone posted earlier, he is another Chris Maxwell.

[hibsbollah]

Look at his positioning for the first goal against St Mirren and come back to me. Also, going forward, watch his kicking. You'll see what I mean. I'd be willing to bet he won't work out here. As someone posted earlier, he is another Chris Maxwell.

I watched it three times, and i said this on another thread, but place him one step to his left at that goal, and he’s leaving his near post exposed instead! You cant use hindsight. His positioning was the one he would have been taught.

[GreenCastle]

The Queens Park goal - think he should do better ..5 mins 14 - https://youtu.be/SzKG5E6ENkk?si=Y9iMokBW7d37jncU

The St Mirren goals - https://youtu.be/JXltEwmFgdI?si=NOxk5nzjBbbsiwVE

1st goal - 2mins 18 - could he save it ?

2nd goal - 3 mins 40 - I think he could save this

3rd goal - 4 mins 20 - I think he could save this - it's not even in the corner of the goal.

The Celtic goals...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SwaikFT9KAY

Think he can punch away or put the 1st one away for a corner - he also surely could position himself better to stop cutback ?

His kicking yesterday - was mixed and CB's often asked for it but he went long.

[Pretty Boy]

I watched it three times, and i said this on another thread, but place him one step to his left at that goal, and he’s leaving his near post exposed instead! You cant use hindsight. His positioning was the one he would have been taught.

There was nothing wrong with his positioning for that goal. He'll have watched the tape with Samson and I doubt it would even have been mentioned. As you say once step further in and he leaves a far easier strike at the near post on.

About 6 other players far more culpable for that goal, as was the case yesterday.

[SunshineOnLeith]

There's plenty of blame to go around for both Celtic goals, but that doesn't mean we can't point out he should do better.

The second one is nowhere near the corner, any decent goalie at this level should be saving that.

And the one in the second half when he inexplicably failed to catch a simple ball then ended up clashing with the Celtic player was comically bad.

[worcesterhibby]

Give the guy a chance, people on this forum seem so desperate for signings to fail. Does my head in.

[MWHIBBIES]

It’s actually 5 games - last 2 were his first official test against better teams.

5 goals let in during 2 games. 3 out of 5 he could do better. 2 long range shots you could argue he could save also.

Let’s see how it goes at Celtic park.

My concern is we needed a keeper who will make saves to win us close games…I felt Marshall was past it but I’m pretty convinced Marshall wouldn’t have let in 5 in last 2 games.
Still early but

Marshall was woeful. He was shipping goals for 2 years here.

[Callum_62]

There's plenty of blame to go around for both Celtic goals, but that doesn't mean we can't point out he should do better.

The second one is nowhere near the corner, any decent goalie at this level should be saving that.

And the one in the second half when he inexplicably failed to catch a simple ball then ended up clashing with the Celtic player was comically bad.Doesn't it almost hit the side netting? Dunno how anyone can expect him to save Macgregors goal

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[flash]

There's plenty of blame to go around for both Celtic goals, but that doesn't mean we can't point out he should do better.

The second one is nowhere near the corner, any decent goalie at this level should be saving that.

And the one in the second half when he inexplicably failed to catch a simple ball then ended up clashing with the Celtic player was comically bad.

The second goal was unstoppable.

What's wrong with people these days?

[Donegal Hibby]

There's plenty of blame to go around for both Celtic goals, but that doesn't mean we can't point out he should do better.

The second one is nowhere near the corner, any decent goalie at this level should be saving that.

And the one in the second half when he inexplicably failed to catch a simple ball then ended up clashing with the Celtic player was comically bad.

The ball is moving away from Bursik and the truth of it is , it’s unfortunately a fantastic strike that any decent keeper isn’t saving. It’s extremely harsh to blame to blame a keeper for not saving it in all honesty.

[Exuberance1875]

The second goal was unstoppable.

What's wrong with people these days?

If he’d have cleared the ball properly it wouldn’t have happened to be fair

[kentao]

The Queens Park goal - think he should do better ..5 mins 14 - https://youtu.be/SzKG5E6ENkk?si=Y9iMokBW7d37jncU

The St Mirren goals - https://youtu.be/JXltEwmFgdI?si=NOxk5nzjBbbsiwVE

1st goal - 2mins 18 - could he save it ?

2nd goal - 3 mins 40 - I think he could save this

3rd goal - 4 mins 20 - I think he could save this - it's not even in the corner of the goal.

The Celtic goals...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SwaikFT9KAY

Think he can punch away or put the 1st one away for a corner - he also surely could position himself better to stop cutback ?

His kicking yesterday - was mixed and CB's often asked for it but he went long.

Queens Park goal was drilled near his feet which makes it more difficult to get down to but if the player had hit it anywhere else it would have been blocked / saved.

St Mirren 1st - his positioning looks wrong and should be 1 stride over to his left, would have gave him a far better chance of being in a position to save it.

St Mirren 2nd - He should have done alot better, header coming from 12 yards out where he had time to set himself and read the direction before contact was made.

St Mirren 3rd - positioning was out by 1 step when the ball was cut back, It looks from his weight transfer he was expecting the ball to be curled into his left hand side. When it went to his right he had no chance of getting it. Should have done better.

Celtic 1st - Cant really blame him too much done well to get a hand to it and pushed it well wide of his goals, defence should have been back giving him some protection.

Celtic 2nd - Positioning i thought was ok debate over being a step to his right and maybe a step closer to his 6 yard box but it would have taken a wonder strike to go in. his attempt makes it looks worse imo.

[Bronson]

He’s pish, i’d sooner play murray johnson

[flash]

If he’d have cleared the ball properly it wouldn’t have happened to be fair

Indeed. Also if we had defended even remotely well after his clearance.

[Hiber-nation]

Folk are blaming him for the 2nd goal, jeez that's just mental. He's been given no help at all from a pitifully weak midfield and a poor back line.

[Tyler Durden]

Whether it’s harsh or not, he’s not earned the benefit of the doubt as yet.

I think it’s fair to question him when his technique has been a bit unconventional. You see McGregors goal from behind the goals and it’s not in the corner. If Bursik moves his feet a step right and dives with his right hand, you’d expect he’d get there. Instead he puts his left hand across his body and by that point the ball is past him.

[SunshineOnLeith]

Doesn't it almost hit the side netting? Dunno how anyone can expect him to save Macgregors goal

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Nope, nowhere near the side netting. I was right behind it at the game from the East. It's a good hit but not close to the corner, should have been a fairly routine save.

[Paulie Walnuts]

I think it's harsh to blame him for the first goal. The original shot didn't have a lot of power on it but was right in the corner and he was at full stretch. If anything the shot being more firmly struck would have benefited him and he'd have got more on the push, as it was he had to generate any power and didn't get it very far from goal. He still got it wide though and can't be blamed for our entire defence and midfield falling asleep and not reacting to the 2nd ball or tracking runners. Marv was caught wrong side of Kyogo in the build up as well and our defensive line was appalling that led to him being onside in the first place; that was a common theme throughout the game with both full backs being culprits.

2nd is a great strike, he'd never saving that and neither is almost any other keeper in the league.

Not sure about that at all, mainly the idea it was right in the corner. He makes the save about 3 feet in from the post. Theres an angle on the sky sports highlights on YouTube at 33 seconds and it’s nowhere near the corner and it’s not exactly a venomous strike either.

[Donegal Hibby]

The first goal I didn’t think he done anything wrong , in fact I think last season it could very well have been a goal from the save Bursik made .

Our players switched off , Miller should probably have marked Forest better as Obita should have Kuhn .

McGregor should have been closed down before getting his shot away .

Both occasions the Hibs keeper is blameless imo .

[B.H.F.C]

Whether it’s harsh or not, he’s not earned the benefit of the doubt as yet.

I think it’s fair to question him when his technique has been a bit unconventional. You see McGregors goal from behind the goals and it’s not in the corner. If Bursik moves his feet a step right and dives with his right hand, you’d expect he’d get there. Instead he puts his left hand across his body and by that point the ball is past him.

I was right behind it in the East and thought it was in the moment it left his foot. The pace on the ball, I don’t think he was ever getting it.

I do agree he doesn’t have any credit in the bank yet so any goal is going to be scrutinised. The only one of the 5 in the league that is question was the second one at St Mirren. He might have been a bit unsighted but the ball just trundled in.

[O'Rourke3]

Not seen any replays but from the West, did all he could with the first shot, tried hard to block the cut back before noticing there were no defenders tracking anyone.
The second, McGregor's reaction said everything. He'll never hit a sweeter shot than than one. Once again defenders "more to blame" but for me, that was a worldie that no-one was stopping.

[JimBHibees]

Nope, nowhere near the side netting. I was right behind it at the game from the East. It's a good hit but not close to the corner, should have been a fairly routine save.

No chance

[Centre Hawf]

I think people are right to say give him the benefit of doubt and some time to see if he settles.

But I honestly think if you had to go watch the guys games for us so far with a view to signing him you'd have moved on already. The guy just does not look like he makes any half decent real saves and that really bothers me early doors. I think a good good goalkeeper keeps out at least 3 of the 6 goals he's conceded so far. Add in a couple of clumsy collections and poor footwork I've seen zero to give me huge hope this guy is any way an upgrade on Marshall at best.

[B.H.F.C]

Not seen any replays but from the West, did all he could with the first shot, tried hard to block the cut back before noticing there were no defenders tracking anyone.
The second, McGregor's reaction said everything. He'll never hit a sweeter shot than than one. Once again defenders "more to blame" but for me, that was a worldie that no-one was stopping.

That’s how I saw it. He was badly exposed for both goals because there was nobody in front of him was doing their job.

First one I didn’t think he could do much more than he did. Second was in from the second it left McGregors boot.

There is so much scrutiny on every goal you concede these days but, eapecially the second one, there is no question at all over that for me.

[Donegal Hibby]

I think people are right to say give him the benefit of doubt and some time to see if he settles.

But I honestly think if you had to go watch the guys games for us so far with a view to signing him you'd have moved on already. The guy just does not look like he makes any half decent real saves and that really bothers me early doors. I think a good good goalkeeper keeps out at least 3 of the 6 goals he's conceded so far. Add in a couple of clumsy collections and poor footwork I've seen zero to give me huge hope this guy is any way an upgrade on Marshall at best.

I doubt very much Marshall would have had the agility to get down and across to the Kyogo shot the way Bursik did . As a matter of interest what 3 goals do you think he should have saved ? .

[Callum_62]

Nope, nowhere near the side netting. I was right behind it at the game from the East. It's a good hit but not close to the corner, should have been a fairly routine save.Routine? Get your in goals for my fives team [emoji1787]

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[MWHIBBIES]

The first goal I didn’t think he done anything wrong , in fact I think last season it could very well have been a goal from the save Bursik made .

Our players switched off , Miller should probably have marked Forest better as Obita should have Kuhn .

McGregor should have been closed down before getting his shot away .

Both occasions the Hibs keeper is blameless imo .

You cannot just say any goal from range x player should be closed down. McGregor was 30 yards out. I'm delighted if Celtic are shooting from there.

Rocky saves it I think. Not writing Bursic off yet.

[SunshineOnLeith]

Routine? Get your in goals for my fives team [emoji1787]

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Routine save for a professional goalkeeper playing in the top flight.

Put it this way, Dabrowski saves it every day of the week, and he's not good enough to get a game in this league.

[JimBHibees]

Routine save for a professional goalkeeper playing in the top flight.

Put it this way, Dabrowski saves it every day of the week, and he's not good enough to get a game in this league.

A still picture doesn’t really tell the full story 😊

[Pretty Boy]

Routine? Get your in goals for my fives team [emoji1787]

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Absolutely.

I played in goals at a very decent level.

Every time there is chat about keepers on here I feel humbled that Buffon, Van Der Sar, Casillas and Kahn are blessing the site with their presence. It's good for retired pros to have an interest and I'm glad to see there's is Hibs.

If that is a 'routine save' then it's a phenomenal goalkeeper making it routine. It's a great strike and there is so much more going on than just 'it wasn't right in the corner'. Movement on the ball, direction of travel, pace the ball is travelling at, sight line for the keeper, how quickly the shot is released......

[B.H.F.C]

Absolutely.

I played in goals at a very decent level.

Every time there is chat about keepers on here I feel humbled that Buffon, Van Der Sar, Casillas and Kahn are blessing the site with their presence. It's good for retired pros to have an interest and I'm glad to see there's is Hibs.

If that is a 'routine save' then it's a phenomenal goalkeeper making it routine. It's a great strike and there is so much more going on than just 'it wasn't right in the corner'. Movement on the ball, direction of travel, pace the ball is travelling at, sight line for the keeper, how quickly the shot is released......

Folk are overlooking the pace on it IMO. I was right behind it in the east and it was in all the way, as soon as it left his foot.

I know we’re at the point of everything and anyone being criticised and I know that he doesn’t have any credit in the bank yet. But it never occurred to me in the slightest, even when I saw it back, that he’d be getting criticised for that one.

What did annoy about Bursic was that, at 2-0 down with 15-20 to play, he was taking an absolute age to do things. It just summed us up as a team for me and felt like we were happy to see the game out with a 2-0 defeat rather than try to get back in to it.

[Pretty Boy]

Folk are overlooking the pace on it IMO. I was right behind it in the east and it was in all the way, as soon as it left his foot.

I know we’re at the point of everything and anyone being criticised and I know that he doesn’t have any credit in the bank yet. But it never occurred to me in the slightest, even when I saw it back, that he’d be getting criticised for that one.

What did annoy about Bursic was that, at 2-0 down with 15-20 to play, he was taking an absolute age to do things. It just summed us up as a team for me and felt like we were happy to see the game out with a 2-0 defeat rather than try to get back in to it.

I think people just don't like to accept a team can score a really good goal anymore. The modern obsession with stats and constant over analysis means no one just trusts their eyes.

As an example Ryan Giggs scored one of the goals of the decade in the 1999 FA Cup semi final. Watch David Seaman. If he just stood up the ball would have hit him and we'd have been denied that goal. He almost arches out the way of the ball when he dives backwards. No one really questioned him though and I'm not criticising him now; people underestimate how hard it is to stand up when every instinct is to get a dive away. The point is that 25 years ago people just accepted they had seen a great goal and there was no need to blame anyone for it happening.

We have just conceded a really good goal yesterday, if I conceded that I doubt I'd have thought twice about it. Had the one he dropped in the 2nd half ended up in the net then he'd have a case to answer. Of all the goals so far the only one he might be disappointed in is the 2nd St Mirren goal. It's far from a howler but he gets caught between anticipating O'Hora getting a touch on it and just getting the dive away and ends up not really committing. Again though easy to say with hindsight and multiple replays, far harder when you have a second to react in real time.

[SunshineOnLeith]

A still picture doesn’t really tell the full story 😊

I didn't post the picture.

[B.H.F.C]

I think people just don't like to accept a team can score a really good goal anymore. The modern obsession with stats and constant over analysis means no one just trusts their eyes.

As an example Ryan Giggs scored one of the goals of the decade in the 1999 FA Cup semi final. Watch David Seaman. If he just stood up the ball would have hit him and we'd have been denied that goal. He almost arches out the way of the ball when he dives backwards. No one really questioned him though and I'm not criticising him now; people underestimate how hard it is to stand up when every instinct is to get a dive away. The point is that 25 years ago people just accepted they had seen a great goal and there was no need to blame anyone for it happening.

We have just conceded a really good goal yesterday, if I conceded that I doubt I'd have thought twice about it. Had the one he dropped in the 2nd half ended up in the net then he'd have a case to answer. Of all the goals so far the only one he might be disappointed in is the 2nd St Mirren goal. It's far from a howler but he gets caught between anticipating O'Hora getting a touch on it and just getting the dive away and ends up not really committing. Again though easy to say with hindsight and multiple replays, far harder when you have a second to react in real time.

Said similar about the second St Mirren goal. Even at the game, gut reaction was to wonder how the ball had just drifted in, as there was so little pace on it. Other than that, I’ve not seen too much to question. He could really be doing with a good performance and clean sheet though.

[TrinityHFC]

Routine save for a professional goalkeeper playing in the top flight.

Put it this way, Dabrowski saves it every day of the week, and he's not good enough to get a game in this league.

Nonsense.

[Centre Hawf]

I doubt very much Marshall would have had the agility to get down and across to the Kyogo shot the way Bursik did . As a matter of interest what 3 goals do you think he should have saved ? .

I would be disappointed if Marsh didn't get to that save but admittedly as his age ticks up he might have struggled if he tried it this year. But I honestly believe it's a fairly routine save. It's not in the corner and it's within body's reach, the only challenge is trying to perhaps get down quick enough as I said. I also honestly think he could have potentially held it too but at the very least tip it for a corner. But I will concede that his teammates have fell asleep there too on the rebound. If I include that goal, I also think he's not done well enough at the second either. He takes a weird step to his left that completely leaves him short of getting near the shot. Then to compound his attempt to stop it he goes with the furthest away hand to save a shot that, for me, is a good height for a keeper to save if he gets his positioning and reactions better to begin with.

The third is the Queen's Park goal, he comes to the edge of his 6 yard box, stops, and then the ball once again trickles past his silhouette. While I'm not quite going down the route of blaming him for St Mirren's 2nd and 3rd I do think once again neither shot are massively away from him and in the corners of the goal. If there's a goal I'm outright not questioning him for it's probably St Mirren's first, he's well placed at his front post and the shot is nicely placed that looks as if it starts outside the far post and bends in around him at full stretch, fair enough.

I do understand that while I'm being quite critical of him at as much 5 goals, I think at the very least you need to go back and look at each of them and ask yourself if there's a common theme with his attempts to stop them? I think there is.

I accept that for a lot of our goals that his defence hasn't helped him either, but good goalkeepers can bail you out of bad moments, this one has yet to do so once so far because he's just not up to it.

[Donegal Hibby]

You cannot just say any goal from range x player should be closed down. McGregor was 30 yards out. I'm delighted if Celtic are shooting from there.

Rocky saves it I think. Not writing Bursic off yet.

I expect us to try and stop crosses into our box , shots from outside the box . I want see our players close down opposition players and attempt to block their shots . For me a player of McGregors quality got to much time and space when he shouldn’t have ..

As to Rocky saving it , I don’t know but think it’s doubtful considering the speed of it and it sort of bends away a little from the keepers side …

https://www.skysports.com/football/video/16480/13195448/celtic-captain-callum-mcgregor-bags-spectacular-goal-to-extend-lead-over-hibernian

[degenerated]

2 league games and we're sending back a player. This place and everything surrounding the club is so negative just now.To be fair Matt macey was written off before he'd even played a game so it's a slight improvement.

[TrinityHFC]

To be fair Matt macey was written off before he'd even played a game so it's a slight improvement.

No he wasn't. If anything his ability was completely overplayed by fans who had never rated / like Marciano for some reason.


There was certainly some question about him playing in the latter stage of cup competitions while Marciano was still here but that was more to do with making sure you play your best team when you are a club with fairly limited ability to win cup competitions anyway.

[Donegal Hibby]

You cannot just say any goal from range x player should be closed down. McGregor was 30 yards out. I'm delighted if Celtic are shooting from there.

Rocky saves it I think. Not writing Bursic off yet.

I expect us to try and stop crosses into our box , shots from outside the box I want see our players close down opposition players and attempt to block their shots . For me a player of McGregors quality got to much time and space when he shouldn’t have ..

As to Rocky saving it , I don’t know but think it’s doubtful considering the speed of it and it sort of bends away a little from the keepers side …

https://www.skysports.com/football/video/16480/13195448/celtic-captain-callum-mcgregor-bags-spectacular-goal-to-extend-lead-over-hibernian

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

I've never seen a better display of shot stopping from a Hibs keeper than Rocky v Celtic in the nil nil at Easter Road under Lennon. Goram was tremendous but I absolutely stand by that statement. Goram made a fair few mistakes in his time at Hibs as well that people seem to forget about. Rocky made a few as well. They all make mistakes.

There was a 0-0 at Tynie when Goram got clapped off the park by The Hearts fans, absolutely brilliant performance.

[LaMotta]

Absolutely.

I played in goals at a very decent level.

Every time there is chat about keepers on here I feel humbled that Buffon, Van Der Sar, Casillas and Kahn are blessing the site with their presence. It's good for retired pros to have an interest and I'm glad to see there's is Hibs.

If that is a 'routine save' then it's a phenomenal goalkeeper making it routine. It's a great strike and there is so much more going on than just 'it wasn't right in the corner'. Movement on the ball, direction of travel, pace the ball is travelling at, sight line for the keeper, how quickly the shot is released......

I largely respect your opinion about keepers as I know you have played at a good level in goals. I agree with you about the McGregor goal.

You have posted though that you don't think Bursic's positioning was wrong for St Mirren's first goal and several people on here have questioned that and I have spoken to a former keeper who played at a similar (possibly higher level in his younger days) who thought that Bursic was too far to the right for that goal. Sometimes it isnt black and white and there will be differing opinions within the game on "correct goalkeeping" - although I do think keepers get harsher criticism than most, with analysis on every single goal on them.

What we need is a keeper that wins us points with saves. Marshall did on occasion (but all too rarely) and Rocky is the last keeper I remember who would do that on a fairly regular basis. I think its fair to say at this stage the jury is definitely out on Bursic.

[LaMotta]

There was a 0-0 at Tynie when Goram got clapped off the park by The Hearts fans, absolutely brilliant performance.

Hearts fans have stated that the March 1991 3-1 defeat at Tynecastle - https://www.hmfckickback.co.uk/index.php?/topic/192769-what-derby-game-did-hearts-fans-applaud-andy-goram/

He was apparently magnificent that day. Stand by my statement though as I didn't see that game :greengrin

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

Hearts fans have stated that the March 1991 3-1 defeat at Tynecastle - https://www.hmfckickback.co.uk/index.php?/topic/192769-what-derby-game-did-hearts-fans-applaud-andy-goram/

He was apparently magnificent that day. Stand by my statement though as I didn't see that game :greengrin

Aye, that's the one, had it in my head that it was 0-0 for some reason.

[Skol]

The issue with the second goal was the space mcgregor was given to collect the ball and rifle in his shot. Very little, if anything, the keeper could have done.

[LaMotta]

Aye, that's the one, had it in my head that it was 0-0 for some reason.

Match report from the Scotsman here:

https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/maroon-memories-tynecastle-rises-to-acclaim-hibs-keeper-goram-313987

Although I do note that despite his great performance Goram was to blame for one of the Hearts goals...

[Jamesie]

Yes totally agree, I think the young Boruc is by far the better keeper, even in stature, he fills the goals.

Have said that for a good while now. Madness that he isn’t given a shot.

[JimBHibees]

Absolutely.

I played in goals at a very decent level.

Every time there is chat about keepers on here I feel humbled that Buffon, Van Der Sar, Casillas and Kahn are blessing the site with their presence. It's good for retired pros to have an interest and I'm glad to see there's is Hibs.

If that is a 'routine save' then it's a phenomenal goalkeeper making it routine. It's a great strike and there is so much more going on than just 'it wasn't right in the corner'. Movement on the ball, direction of travel, pace the ball is travelling at, sight line for the keeper, how quickly the shot is released......

😄

It was a brilliant strike was right down the line of it and no goalie saves that imo

[JimBHibees]

Have said that for a good while now. Madness that he isn’t given a shot.

Was he not quite poor at Arbroath last season

[Donegal Hibby]

I would be disappointed if Marsh didn't get to that save but admittedly as his age ticks up he might have struggled if he tried it this year. But I honestly believe it's a fairly routine save. It's not in the corner and it's within body's reach, the only challenge is trying to perhaps get down quick enough as I said. I also honestly think he could have potentially held it too but at the very least tip it for a corner. But I will concede that his teammates have fell asleep there too on the rebound. If I include that goal, I also think he's not done well enough at the second either. He takes a weird step to his left that completely leaves him short of getting near the shot. Then to compound his attempt to stop it he goes with the furthest away hand to save a shot that, for me, is a good height for a keeper to save if he gets his positioning and reactions better to begin with.

The third is the Queen's Park goal, he comes to the edge of his 6 yard box, stops, and then the ball once again trickles past his silhouette. While I'm not quite going down the route of blaming him for St Mirren's 2nd and 3rd I do think once again neither shot are massively away from him and in the corners of the goal. If there's a goal I'm outright not questioning him for it's probably St Mirren's first, he's well placed at his front post and the shot is nicely placed that looks as if it starts outside the far post and bends in around him at full stretch, fair enough.

I do understand that while I'm being quite critical of him at as much 5 goals, I think at the very least you need to go back and look at each of them and ask yourself if there's a common theme with his attempts to stop them? I think there is.

I accept that for a lot of our goals that his defence hasn't helped him either, but good goalkeepers can bail you out of bad moments, this one has yet to do so once so far because he's just not up to it.

I thought it was a fairly good save considering it was low and seemed to be well placed and for me the keeper did his job , unfortunately a couple of our players ( Miller & Obita ) didn’t react and two of their players did .

Interesting you mention the Queen’s Park goal as one after watching it again I noticed Boyles goal is a shot drilled under their keeper, i think shots drilled with power near a keeper aren’t easy and sometimes the speed , power is to much in fairness.

I haven’t in truth thought that the keeper has been at fault with any of our goals so far though have been more worried about the bad defending / individual mistakes we are making in games that have resulted in us losing these goals . I think we need to give the keeper better protection than we are tbh .

[Pretty Boy]

Was he not quite poor at Arbroath last season

I saw him once for them at Dunfermilne and he was very nervy that day. Was dropped not long after but regained his place again.

I've heard from others he done pretty well though particularly later in the season.

[truehibernian]

Can tell I played outfield and know nowt about keeping but I’m struggling to see what he did wrong for either goal - first he saves well and parries away from the goal with a strong hand, the second four players decide to do a foursome reel together and forget one of Celtic’s best players is all on his own, who thereafter scores a beauty with a precision shot. Really don’t see him being at fault. Also had a couple of really good stops.

[Houston7]

I expect us to try and stop crosses into our box , shots from outside the box . I want see our players close down opposition players and attempt to block their shots . For me a player of McGregors quality got to much time and space when he shouldn’t have ..

As to Rocky saving it , I don’t know but think it’s doubtful considering the speed of it and it sort of bends away a little from the keepers side …

https://www.skysports.com/football/video/16480/13195448/celtic-captain-callum-mcgregor-bags-spectacular-goal-to-extend-lead-over-hibernian

It was schoolboy defending at the McGregor goal. FOUR Hibs players were drawn to the Celtic player out on the right wing & left McGregor absolutely unmarked to have all his time to size up the shot. Not unreasonable for the keeper to except some challenge to made & some folk blame the keeper. Who would be a keeper?

[GreenCastle]

It’s amazing how some people don’t actually notice the small details with his positioning.

I really hope I’m wrong but he will need to start having some better games.

His reputation previously was he didn’t make enough saves which was quite an issue.

Like most of our team we seem to have players who rarely step up when needed.

Good example of Marciano - god even Conrad Logan winning us games with crucial saves.

Fingers crossed it improves or it will be a long season and doesn’t matter the 10 in front of him we will always be dodgy at the back.

[Centre Hawf]

It was schoolboy defending at the McGregor goal. FOUR Hibs players were drawn to the Celtic player out on the right wing & left McGregor absolutely unmarked to have all his time to size up the shot. Not unreasonable for the keeper to except some challenge to made & some folk blame the keeper. Who would be a keeper?

I think more than one person or set of people can have blame attributed to them for something. It's been a catalogue of errors at times so far but this is a thread to discuss the keepers role in them.

[JimBHibees]

It’s amazing how some people don’t actually notice the small details with his positioning.

I really hope I’m wrong but he will need to start having some better games.

His reputation previously was he didn’t make enough saves which was quite an issue.

Like most of our team we seem to have players who rarely step up when needed.

Good example of Marciano - god even Conrad Logan winning us games with crucial saves.

Fingers crossed it improves or it will be a long season and doesn’t matter the 10 in front of him we will always be dodgy at the back.

Jeez give the guy a break

[cameronw-hfc]

First goal i thought he was unlucky. He makes the save and pushes it wide of the goals, just not far enough to go out. It's not like he's palmed it right back out into the middle of the 6y box. Think he could do better but still unlucky.

Second he has no chance. Anyone saying he does hasn't a clue about goalkeeping imo anyway. Insane to think he 'should' save that. If he does save it, it's a cracking save, not routine.

[Houston7]

I think more than one person or set of people can have blame attributed to them for something. It's been a catalogue of errors at times so far but this is a thread to discuss the keepers role in them.

Sorry, did not realise you were the moderator. I was just suggesting that there were others more culpable than the keeper with this goal. As an 81 year old, who has supported Hibs for 75 years, I’m just pleased social media was not around during the many periods of horrendous Hibs’ team performances over the years!

[allezsauzee]

The keeper isn't to blame for either goal. Makes a good save from Kyogo and does the right thing in pushing it to the side and would be entitled to expect better reactions from our defence at the first. For the second, there are 4 Hibs players chasing shadows as the ball is played into McGregor in acres of space. No chance any of our keeper or Marshall is getting anywhere near that shot, it's an absolute peach of a shot. However there are people who clearly want to make him a scapegoat even this early into his time at Hibs and I doubt they'll be dissuaded from their view.

[Houston7]

The keeper isn't to blame for either goal. Makes a good save from Kyogo and does the right thing in pushing it to the side and would be entitled to expect better reactions from our defence at the first. For the second, there are 4 Hibs players chasing shadows as the ball is played into McGregor in acres of space. No chance any of our keeper or Marshall is getting anywhere near that shot, it's an absolute peach of a shot. However there are people who clearly want to make him a scapegoat even this early into his time at Hibs and I doubt they'll be dissuaded from their view.

Well said, but the purpose of this thread is apparently only to criticise the keeper. Too many Hibs “fans” want to make scapegoats of too many new recruits within weeks of them joining - probably just because they don’t like the owners, Board & CEO.
Some even suggesting Sir David Gray goes after two league games. If the team is heavily defeated next Sunday, OMG.

[NorthNorfolkHFC]

Cancel the loan agreement asap. He is absolutely dreadful.

No he’s not - eejit


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[hibsbollah]

Well said, but the purpose of this thread is apparently only to criticise the keeper. Too many Hibs “fans” want to make scapegoats of too many new recruits within weeks of them joining - probably just because they don’t like the owners, Board & CEO.
Some even suggesting Sir David Gray goes after two league games. If the team is heavily defeated next Sunday, OMG.

To be fair, theres a few sticking up for him as well :greengrin

I’m far from an expert on technical goalkeeping, but ive done acouple of sfa badges on the goalkeeping pathway and done some coaching. My sons a goalie and i keep up to date with podcasts on the subject. I think its fair to say its not an exact science and two perfectly well qualified coaches or ex players will sometimes disagree about aspects of a goalkeepers performance. We talked about this in relation to Matt Macey who conceded a goal where he didnt seem to make much of an effort, Rich Lee podcasts analyzed it in depth and there was a fair amount of disagreement and discussion about it. Theres no absolute right or wrongs sometimes. But personally i thought the criticism of Bursic wasnt really justified on any of the goals, although he could have made a decision more quickly on the second. Time will tell with him and us. What is definitely wrong though is folk thinking they can tell straight away, that his footworks ‘all wrong’ or something after a couple of games. That’s just objectively wrong, theres no sign of that.

[Donegal Hibby]

I think more than one person or set of people can have blame attributed to them for something. It's been a catalogue of errors at times so far but this is a thread to discuss the keepers role in them.

The thing about it is though I don’t think our keeper is responsible for the goals we lost so far , they are all basically bad defending ( players switching off / making mistakes).

We need to defend better and protect our keeper better than we have done in games like Kelty , St mirren etc …

[Centre Hawf]

The thing about it is though I don’t think our keeper is responsible for the goals we lost so far , they are all basically bad defending ( players switching off / making mistakes).

We need to defend better and protect our keeper better than we have done in games like Kelty , St mirren etc …

We definitely do need to defend better. That I'll not disagree with anyone on here about. If the players are back in HTC today going over the two goals I'd like to think Dave Gray is going down the team sheet explaining how each one can do better in the scenario, that does include the keeper for me as well.

I just also think I've seen signs already this guy is either no good or is going to take time to get up to speed. Happy to park what's starting to look on my part as a bit of an agenda against him for now but I do worry we'll be back at this conversation a few times over the next few weeks or months. Which for a loanee goalkeeper is the last thing you need.

[Centre Hawf]

Well said, but the purpose of this thread is apparently only to criticise the keeper. Too many Hibs “fans” want to make scapegoats of too many new recruits within weeks of them joining - probably just because they don’t like the owners, Board & CEO.
Some even suggesting Sir David Gray goes after two league games. If the team is heavily defeated next Sunday, OMG.

I mentioned the thread is about Bursic because I was explaining why I was focussing on his role in the goals now Millers/Obita's. As I've said in other posts there are plenty of other players who do not cover themselves in glory and probably are more at fault. But I'm using this thread to relay my concerns on him so far.

Apologies if it came over as being a twat.

[Houston7]

I mentioned the thread is about Bursic because I was explaining why I was focussing on his role in the goals now Millers/Obita's. As I've said in other posts there are plenty of other players who do not cover themselves in glory and probably are more at fault. But I'm using this thread to relay my concerns on him so far.

Apologies if it came over as being a twat.

Not a problem - I fully understand.

[JohnM1875]

First goal i thought he was unlucky. He makes the save and pushes it wide of the goals, just not far enough to go out. It's not like he's palmed it right back out into the middle of the 6y box. Think he could do better but still unlucky.

Second he has no chance. Anyone saying he does hasn't a clue about goalkeeping imo anyway. Insane to think he 'should' save that. If he does save it, it's a cracking save, not routine.

Totally agree. I said after the game I thought he could have done better with the first goal but having seen it back I was being far too harsh. Its a good save

[Paulie Walnuts]

Totally agree. I said after the game I thought he could have done better with the first goal but having seen it back I was being far too harsh. Its a good save

I don’t agree that the first goal is a good save. It’s nowhere near the corner, not particularly powerful and he doesn’t do enough imo. Nowhere near a howler, but should do better imo.

Absolutely nothing he can do about the second.

[Wheat Hound]

I thought with the first goal he did as he should have ie pushed the ball away very wide and away from the goal unlike other keepers we've had who would push the ball out straight back in front of goal. If Miller and Obita had been alive to rhe situation and beaten their men to the ball or at least been close enough to challenge it would have prevented the easy tap in.

Our defenders are very slow to react. Twice last season Marshall saved penalties Vs Rangers and twice a Rangers player was first to the rebound. Too slow of action and of mind our defenders and that's what needs urgent improvement.

[JimBHibees]

Can tell I played outfield and know nowt about keeping but I’m struggling to see what he did wrong for either goal - first he saves well and parries away from the goal with a strong hand, the second four players decide to do a foursome reel together and forget one of Celtic’s best players is all on his own, who thereafter scores a beauty with a precision shot. Really don’t see him being at fault. Also had a couple of really good stops.

Totally agree

[GreenCastle]

Can we sign a keeper that makes a save please ?

[ChuckNor]

Get rid.

[Coco Bryce]

Another Zibi

[HendoDelivered]

2 garbage keepers signed. Jeez 😂

[The Captain....]

He can't start the next game..looks like an outfield player has put the gloves on ( apart from his kicking which is also abysmal).

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[overdrive]

Another Zibi

Zibi actually made some decent saves outwith his many errors. This guy is worse.

[BILLYHIBS]

Schmeichel hasn’t made a save this season neither has Bursik

[SHODAN]

Said it on the match thread, Adam Bogdan is free right now.

[Northernhibee]

Said it on the match thread, Adam Bogdan is free right now.

He’s not, he’s retired

[SHODAN]

He’s not, he’s retired

:(

[Northernhibee]

Got grief for voicing concern about Stoke fans reviews of him. He’s living up to them.

[Centre Hawf]

If my mind wasn't made up before I can safely say it is now. Nowhere near the standard required.

[JohnM1875]

Just recall Johnson and play him. Honestly can't be any worse.

[hibsbollah]

Got grief for voicing concern about Stoke fans reviews of him. He’s living up to them.

You didnt get grief, folk just said it was too early to tell. Which it was.

[Northernhibee]

You didnt get grief, folk just said it was too early to tell. Which it was.

It’s not. He played fifty odd games for them, that’s a good enough time frame to get an idea.

He’s not done much to disprove those reviews.

[hibee-boys]

Horrendous positioning for both Celtic goals, no need for him to come to the ball on either attempts.

[Willis1875]

Can see him being shipped back to Brugge in January

[Callum_62]

Horrendous positioning for both Celtic goals, no need for him to come to the ball on either attempts.Zero chance at the first

This place is relentless with moans

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[Centre Hawf]

Can see him being shipped back to Brugge in January

A long way to go until then sadly.

[LunasBoots]

Wasn't great but it's to early to make a proper judgement on him, needs a bit of time before that.

[overdrive]

What a clown. Ekipeteta too.

[Coco Bryce]

Ffs! 🙄

[LunasBoots]

Again not great

[LaMotta]

Bursic should never play for Hibs again.

[sleeping giant]

He's nurder

[The dalmeny]

Inexcusable

[hfcok]

Bursic should never play for Hibs again.

2nd that

[GreenCastle]

Averaging 2 shockers a game.

[ChuckNor]

Inexcusable. Get rid.

[Callum_62]

I retract my previous comment [emoji1787]

Passback wasn't ideal but Jesus he has to do better with it- play it back the way it came, play it for a corner, anything

What he done guaranteed Kuhn blocking it

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[Pretty Boy]

You can't defend this today.

Second he gets caught in two minds and makes it easy. 3rd you have a keeper and 2 defenders who all look terrified with the ball and it plays out accordingly. Just put a foot through it and go through Marv for the ***** pass. Tries to steal it and looks like a ****ing idiot.

There are question marks about this keeper now, no doubt about it.

[Centre Hawf]

Him and Ekpiteta will get us relegated if they play 30 games this season.

[LaMotta]

A half decent keeper and the game is 1-1 just now. Need to get that sorted as a priority.

[LunasBoots]

The passing out from the back with these guys is scarily bad, you just can't do that against Celtic with these players

[GreenCastle]

I retract my previous comment [emoji1787]

Passback wasn't ideal but Jesus he has to do better with it- play it back the way it came, play it for a corner, anything

What he done guaranteed Kuhn blocking it

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The back pass for the St Mirren goal he used wrong foot and was caught out.

The 2 of them are stinking:

We need a new CB and keeper before the window closes.

[JohnM1875]

A half decent keeper and the game is 1-1 just now. Need to get that sorted as a priority.

Bursik was supposed to be the answer to sorting it! What a laugh that is.

[LaMotta]

Bursik was supposed to be the answer to sorting it! What a laugh that is.

Thing is how do we sort it out now? We are in a right pickle there.

[ChuckNor]

Thing is how do we sort it out now? We are in a right pickle there.

Hope we can cancel the loan and send him back. We may have to pay a fee but it would be worth it. We can’t have him as our first choice.

[LaMotta]

Hope we can cancel the loan and send him back. We may have to pay a fee but it would be worth it. We can’t have him as our first choice.

Agreed. :agree:

[Callum_62]

Why didn't Bursik just go right through the ball?

It's like he just played a soft pass to Kuhn

It was a poor passback but entirely fixable

I think the pass to rocky initially wasn't the wisest choice either

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[PiemanP]

Send the clown back. Who the hell is scouting these players?!

I’d not be unhappy at Kevin Debrowski coming back…

[Nicho87]

If gray wants the fans on side he drops that next week

[The Captain....]

He reminds me of Gottskalksson..have no confidence whatsoever in him. As bad as I've seen.

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[overdrive]

He reminds me of Gottskalksson..have no confidence whatsoever in him. As bad as I've seen.

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That’s a better comparison than the Zibi one. Zibi was significantly better than this clown. Like Gottskalsson, he looks like some punter who has won a raffle to play in a charity game with some professionals.

[Alfred E Newman]

Him and Ekpiteta will get us relegated if they play 30 games this season.

Whoever thought they were the answer to our defensive frailties has a lot to answer for.

[stoneyburn hibs]

Give the gloves to Johnson

[GreenCastle]

Give the gloves to Johnson

He’s on loan at another team??

I also don’t think he’s the answer right now.

[stoneyburn hibs]

He’s on loan at another team??

I also don’t think he’s the answer right now.

He's got to step up at some point, 22 now I think ?
He's rated, I wouldn't have a problem giving him a chance.

[Centre Hawf]

He's got to step up at some point, 22 now I think ?
He's rated, I wouldn't have a problem giving him a chance.

He's 19 and barely made any senior appearances other than about 5-10 on emergency loan two years ago in League 1. He needs a season out playing for sure.

[The dalmeny]

He's got to step up at some point, 22 now I think ?
He's rated, I wouldn't have a problem giving him a chance.


He's 20 and a champ team os spot on for his development at the moment

[eastmainsmsh]

Sign Trevor Carson with McGowan if possible

[Unseen work]

He’s a real worry.

That 3rd goal shows a huge lack of heart and aggression for a keeper for me

If you’re in any double about the striker getting there, you go right through both them

Then even the second goal. Defender and on needs to do better but he needs to be off his line quicker for a long ball over the top

[CMac1988]

Nowhere near good enough for this level. Not interested in watching my team suffer more so than it already is by trying to develop someone else's player. Get better in.

[Callum_62]

Watching the replay it's even worse by Bursik for me than I first thought

The pass back is a little away but should pretty easily have been dealt with



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[JJP]

If Kevin Dabrowski wasn’t good enough then this guy is certainly not.

[ac1]

Was horrible - like he actually didn’t care…. do anything apart from what he did. He could have even put it out for a corner or lumped it into the main stand

[Hiber-nation]

Reminds me of Oli Gottskalksson. Which is a real worry. And the reserve they brought in has played about 3 games in 6 years.

[lucky]

I’d send him back already. He’s murder. He was at fault with second goal as well

[Nicho87]

I fear it’s a cheap option to try and get more on the outfield players

No fee

No long term vision

Build from the spine of the team

The hibs recruitment team have done half a job

Told u building a new defence but we’ve got a stop gap goalie in with little experience and have to allow the mistakes

Sod it, cancel the loan and get a keeper in that will be here 3/4 years

[kentao]

Apart from his **** up with ekpiteta I thought he had a good game. Made a couple of saves and collected a few crosses. Will judge him after the first round of fixtures.

There was no reason for ekpiteta to play it back to him should have just went long up the line. Saying that not sure why we are trying to play out from the back against Celtic.

[Hiber-nation]

Apart from his **** up with ekpiteta I thought he had a good game. Made a couple of saves and collected a few crosses. Will judge him after the first round of fixtures.

There was no reason for ekpiteta to play it back to him should have just went long up the line. Saying that not sure why we are trying to play out from the back against Celtic.

Look at the 2nd goal again. What was he actually doing?

[TrinityHFC]

Apart from his **** up with ekpiteta I thought he had a good game. Made a couple of saves and collected a few crosses. Will judge him after the first round of fixtures.

There was no reason for ekpiteta to play it back to him should have just went long up the line. Saying that not sure why we are trying to play out from the back against Celtic.

Same. Him and the defenders have to learn from the last two games but we won’t play that quality every week.

[Victor]

Same. Him and the defenders have to learn from the last two games but we won’t play that quality every week.

[emoji106]

[GreenCastle]

Apart from his **** up with ekpiteta I thought he had a good game. Made a couple of saves and collected a few crosses. Will judge him after the first round of fixtures.

There was no reason for ekpiteta to play it back to him should have just went long up the line. Saying that not sure why we are trying to play out from the back against Celtic.

You’re in a minority - the guy is a liability and will continue to cost us points and goals.

[Smartie]

In the interests of trying to remain balanced, it's hard to strip out his individual contributions to various atrocious defensive moments and assign responsibility appropriately ie it's not exactly like he's playing behind a well oiled machine and he's repeatedly selling the jerseys, however...

He's playing behind an utter shambles of a defence and managing to repeatedly sell the jerseys.

I think he looks hopeless, nowhere near the required quality and with no redeeming features. Every aspect of his game, possibly apart from his handling, looks weak.

It would be a huge surprise to me if he went on to have a respectable season and whilst it seems crazy on paper, I think those in charge of recruitment should be thinking about how costly it might be to persevere with him. I just don't think a professional footballer can act the way he did at their third goal today and expect to retain the confidence of anyone. It's up there with the poorest contributions to a Hibs goal conceded as I think I've ever seen.

[LaMotta]

In the interests of trying to remain balanced, it's hard to strip out his individual contributions to various atrocious defensive moments and assign responsibility appropriately ie it's not exactly like he's playing behind a well oiled machine and he's repeatedly selling the jerseys, however...

He's playing behind an utter shambles of a defence and managing to repeatedly sell the jerseys.

I think he looks hopeless, nowhere near the required quality and with no redeeming features. Every aspect of his game, possibly apart from his handling, looks weak.

It would be a huge surprise to me if he went on to have a respectable season and whilst it seems crazy on paper, I think those in charge of recruitment should be thinking about how costly it might be to persevere with him. I just don't think a professional footballer can act the way he did at their third goal today and expect to retain the confidence of anyone. It's up there with the poorest contributions to a Hibs goal conceded as I think I've ever seen.

Agree with every word.

[ChuckNor]

In the interests of trying to remain balanced, it's hard to strip out his individual contributions to various atrocious defensive moments and assign responsibility appropriately ie it's not exactly like he's playing behind a well oiled machine and he's repeatedly selling the jerseys, however...

He's playing behind an utter shambles of a defence and managing to repeatedly sell the jerseys.

I think he looks hopeless, nowhere near the required quality and with no redeeming features. Every aspect of his game, possibly apart from his handling, looks weak.

It would be a huge surprise to me if he went on to have a respectable season and whilst it seems crazy on paper, I think those in charge of recruitment should be thinking about how costly it might be to persevere with him. I just don't think a professional footballer can act the way he did at their third goal today and expect to retain the confidence of anyone. It's up there with the poorest contributions to a Hibs goal conceded as I think I've ever seen.

A fair attempt at being balanced. We are in the situation where the second choice should be getting a shot barely a few weeks into the season. That’s a damning indictment of whoever signed him.

[LunasBoots]

Doesn't look like someone whose going to save us points which is a bit of a worry.

[Pytheas]

Watching the replay it's even worse by Bursik for me than I first thought

The pass back is a little away but should pretty easily have been dealt with



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It's 100% Bursik's fault.

Not convinced by Marv yet but he's hit a below average pass, that's all. Bursik then loses the head totally. Just send it lad.

[Hibernia&Alba]

He’s in an unenviable situation. He’s hardly played any football and it shows. He’s got a very poor defence in front of him, which is exacerbating his lack of confidence. He looks lost.

[He's here!]

He’s a real worry.

That 3rd goal shows a huge lack of heart and aggression for a keeper for me

If you’re in any double about the striker getting there, you go right through both them

Then even the second goal. Defender and on needs to do better but he needs to be off his line quicker for a long ball over the top

Didn't see today's game but it seems bewildering that we've signed a dud keeper. I can't understand why it's so hard to get that position right. Keepers don't have to be world-class, just competent.

[JimBHibees]

Do players get written off after 3 games now? Absolutely bizarre

[ChuckNor]

Didn't see today's game but it seems bewildering that we've signed a dud keeper. I can't understand why it's so hard to get that position right. Keepers don't have to be world-class, just competent.

It screams trying to be too smart. He’s in his early twenties and not succeeded anywhere in his career. Meanwhile there were several keepers with experience in Scotland available and they’ve been overlooked again by the incompetents in charge of signing players. What do they have against signing players from our opposition?

[Smartie]

Do players get written off after 3 games now? Absolutely bizarre

Depends how bad those 3 games have been.

[He's here!]

He’s in an unenviable situation. He’s hardly played any football and it shows. He’s got a very poor defence in front of him, which is exacerbating his lack of confidence. He looks lost.

I just looked at his CV and it looks pretty solid. He appears to have played plenty of games. Do you mean he's been injured? I didn't actually pay that much attention to his singing apart from noting he'd represented England all the way through the age group levels up to U21.

[Pretty Boy]

I've seen a lot of posts saying he has played no football in years and no way we scouted him but surely that isn't true.

Has he been injured for a long spell? If not then whilst he hasn't been playing first team games he must have played friendlies, reserve/development fixtures etc. As bad as our recruitment has been at time I can't believe we have plucked a guy from someone's reserves who we have never seen and has never played a single minute in however many months or years.

[JimBHibees]

Apart from his **** up with ekpiteta I thought he had a good game. Made a couple of saves and collected a few crosses. Will judge him after the first round of fixtures.

There was no reason for ekpiteta to play it back to him should have just went long up the line. Saying that not sure why we are trying to play out from the back against Celtic.

Tend to agree though not sure what he was doing the second one. A young guy a wee bit of patience required. Quite like how he comes for crosses

[JimBHibees]

Depends how bad those 3 games have been.

Not sure he did much wrong last two

[Smartie]

Tend to agree though not sure what he was doing the second one. A young guy a wee bit of patience required. Quite like how he comes for crosses

A point worth making - often the achilles heel of otherwise talented goalkeepers.

He does look as comfortable and confident taking them as pretty much any Hibs goalkeeper I've seen.

Re your point about writing players off after 3 games - the three games he's had are admittedly tough ones, away to who you'd expect to be our rivals for a European place and a double header against the best team in the country by a mile. He should probably get a few games against more moderate opposition before a call is made - see what he's like with the ball at his feet in those games, whether he can keep concentration if he's not so busy etc.

[Hibee Mac]

Nice to see the folk defending him the last couple games have come to see sense now.

I applaud the attempt to remain balanced and give people a fair crack at the whip before jumping to conclusions. That being said, it is possible for people to form opinions about footballers very quickly when they genuinely are not good enough without it being labelled immediately as "jumping to conclusions".

Bursik has looked shaky since game 1 this season and today was unfortunately just a continuation of the kind of cr*p he's been serving up since minute 1.

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[Smartie]

Not sure he did much wrong last two

No, but he didn't really do all that much right whilst losing 5 goals.

With this afternoon added for context, it's not a great start.

It's a costly position to take time to decide that you've made a mistake. Massimo Taibi didn't play for Man Utd for long.

[Hibernia&Alba]

I just looked at his CV and it looks pretty solid. He appears to have played plenty of games. Do you mean he's been injured? I didn't actually pay that much attention to his singing apart from noting he'd represented England all the way through the age group levels up to U21.

isn’t it something like 20 first team appearances in the past four years?

[Centre Hawf]

Nice to see the folk defending him the last couple games have come to see sense now.

I applaud the attempt to remain balanced and give people a fair crack at the whip before jumping to conclusions. That being said, it is possible for people to form opinions about footballers very quickly when they genuinely are not good enough without it being labelled immediately as "jumping to conclusions".

Bursik has looked shaky since game 1 this season and today was unfortunately just a continuation of the kind of cr*p he's been serving up since minute 1.

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I said after last week there was signs in pretty much every game we've played so far that he either isn't up to speed/ready or he's generally quite poor. I was told by some people who apparently have goalkeeping experience or once watched a goalkeeper train that there was no way anyone could tell how good or bad he was at certain parts of his game yet, but here is making the same mistakes or doing the same things that I listed.

People want to give him a chance and that's fine because it is only 3 games in (if you discount the league cup and look at it from the league on). But I'm honestly saying right now this guy is not going to be a good goalkeeper for Hibs. Point to the defence as well, that's fine because it looks utterly ***** as well. But don't bury your head in the sand about it because you don't want to jump on someone so early. He is as bad as it gets and that takes some doing when it comes to Hibs goalies.

[Hibees1973]

Looks the kind of goalkeeper who would be in a side that gets relegated.

[worcesterhibby]

I said after last week there was signs in pretty much every game we've played so far that he either isn't up to speed/ready or he's generally quite poor. I was told by some people who apparently have goalkeeping experience or once watched a goalkeeper train that there was no way anyone could tell how good or bad he was at certain parts of his game yet, but here is making the same mistakes or doing the same things that I listed.

People want to give him a chance and that's fine because it is only 3 games in (if you discount the league cup and look at it from the league on). But I'm honestly saying right now this guy is not going to be a good goalkeeper for Hibs. Point to the defence as well, that's fine because it looks utterly ***** as well. But don't bury your head in the sand about it because you don't want to jump on someone so early. He is as bad as it gets and that takes some doing when it comes to Hibs goalies.

you forget to slag off the midfield….you can slag our new goalie all you like and call our defence dug**** but, omitting that the midfield is “pathetic” and you forgot to say that our club is a “shambles” is just amateur stuff from you ! Call yourself a professional bed wetter! Look others may want to give you the benefit of the doubt, and point out that your pretty consistently miserable, but I “Demand” better from our professional doom and gloomers, your not fit to slag the shirt!

[Unseen work]

Looks the kind of goalkeeper who would be in a side that gets relegated.

100%

[hibsbollah]

I said after last week there was signs in pretty much every game we've played so far that he either isn't up to speed/ready or he's generally quite poor. I was told by some people who apparently have goalkeeping experience or once watched a goalkeeper train that there was no way anyone could tell how good or bad he was at certain parts of his game yet, but here is making the same mistakes or doing the same things that I listed.

People want to give him a chance and that's fine because it is only 3 games in (if you discount the league cup and look at it from the league on). But I'm honestly saying right now this guy is not going to be a good goalkeeper for Hibs. Point to the defence as well, that's fine because it looks utterly ***** as well. But don't bury your head in the sand about it because you don't want to jump on someone so early. He is as bad as it gets and that takes some doing when it comes to Hibs goalies.

You were wrong with your analysis of what he was apparently doing wrong last week, and Bursic played very poorly today. Sometimes two totally separate things can be true at the same time.

[SHODAN]

Ok my new plan is can we persuade Bogdan out of retirement

[Bronson]

Reminds me of that guffy hearts had when they went down, Joel pereira. We are in trouble with this guy between the sticks.

[Centre Hawf]

You were wrong with your analysis of what he was apparently doing wrong last week, and Bursic played very poorly today. Sometimes two totally separate things can be true at the same time.

Will agree to disagree, but I'm yet to see anything good other than a couple well collected crosses.

[scottish_sleepy]

Get rid of him. Simple. Even in the warm up he doesn't save anything.