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B.H.F.C

12-12-2021, 06:23 PM

2 examples mate vs your 1.

I’m over the JR thing but disappointed in Hibs plan. Need to get the next guy in asap - we all want to win/play well. The longer we wait the less time he has to assess the players and start getting new guys in.

I could easily enough point to Steve Bruce or Nuno down south as not being sacked during a break. Or, as I mentioned, the previous couple of sackings are our own club.

We haven’t really done anything different to we usually do as far as I can see. You’re obviously determined that we have as you don’t like their decision.

B.H.F.C

12-12-2021, 06:24 PM

Fingers crossed.

Just checked the EPL sackings this year - 5 have been sacked and 4 at international break.

That’s incorrect, check again.

Potty78

12-12-2021, 06:24 PM

Taken a few days to think about it, not gonna be popular but I'd take Derek Mcinnes. Knows the Scottish game and been decent with Aberdeen. He'd bring stability imo

JXM73

12-12-2021, 06:25 PM

Lennon is a ****

Fixed that for you, the ****my ginger **** has no respect for our club..

brog

12-12-2021, 06:30 PM

I haven't read much of the thread so apologies if I duplicate anything. I was thinking about 2 recent games at Aberdeen. Game 1, we went there and dominated them but Christian missed 3 one on ones and we ended up with a draw. Game 2, we needed a draw to be 3rd so adopted a much more pragmatic approach. It was a pretty mundane game but ironically Doidgey scored a worldy and we won 1 0. Now the rhetorical question, which game did we enjoy more? Obviously the victory though our performance in game 1 was far better. That's my long winded way of saying I think right now results are what matter. The Hibs style and flair we all demand can come later. As an aside Turnbull's Aberdeen team were mostly a fairly dour lot with Martin Buchan orchestrating a soul destroying offside trap. Turnbull completely changed when he came to Hibs.

gaz1875

12-12-2021, 06:30 PM

Taken a few days to think about it, not gonna be popular but I'd take Derek Mcinnes. Knows the Scottish game and been decent with Aberdeen. He'd bring stability imo

I think Derek McInnes would be a sensible choice right now. His league record speaks for itself up until his final season, and as you say knows the Scottish game.

pacoluna

12-12-2021, 06:30 PM

Season ticket returned tomorrow, but thankfully you're talking *****

Maybe in return of you giving your season ticket back another ten will get a half season ticket.

Attendances just now is embarrassing cant get any worse,

greenlex

12-12-2021, 06:31 PM

Why? The club are building for a sustainable future. Not for a league cup final.

Was it? Haven't seen anything from the club saying that.
The fans calling for his head did.
The club didn’t say anything about building a sustainable future in their brief statement on Ross’ sacking either.
In fact they mentioned getting to cup finals as a highlight. No wonder fans are confused and questioning their reasons for getting rid of Ross.

cabbageandribs1875

12-12-2021, 06:32 PM

Fixed that for you, the ****my ginger **** has no respect for our club..

and the colour of his hair means a lot :Ummm: what did you think of John Blackley, fraser fyvie, both cup winning legends for our club

B.H.F.C

12-12-2021, 06:35 PM

The fans calling for his head did.
The club didn’t say anything about building a sustainable future in their brief statement on Ross’ sacking either.
In fact they mentioned getting to cup finals as a highlight. No wonder fans are confused and questioning their reasons for getting rid of Ross.

Folk who don’t agree with it are questioning it.

I wasn’t even one that was strongly calling for his head (although I thought after Wednesday it was inevitable) but I can’t understand why anyone would be confused by it. The run of results is one that any manager will be in trouble with (especially with the manner of performance at Livingston). I get that folk might still disagree with it but surely they can’t be confused as to why it happened?

Dmas

12-12-2021, 06:37 PM

I think Derek McInnes would be a sensible choice right now. His league record speaks for itself up until his final season, and as you say knows the Scottish game.

I’d much prefer McInnes than Lennon however I don’t think there would be much of a change under McInnes be more of the same percentage football, fine margins borefest

JXM73

12-12-2021, 06:37 PM

and the colour of his hair means a lot :Ummm: what did you think of John Blackley, fraser fyvie, both cup winning legends for our club

Ginger legends 👍

greenlex

12-12-2021, 06:40 PM

madhatter

12-12-2021, 06:41 PM

The fans calling for his head did.
The club didn’t say anything about building a sustainable future in their brief statement on Ross’ sacking either.
In fact they mentioned getting to cup finals as a highlight. No wonder fans are confused and questioning their reasons for getting rid of Ross.

Fans can call for whatever they want. Doesn't mean the club do it.
You wouldn't put a "sustainable future" in a sacking statement. Club have been vocal about being a consistent top 4 team since Ron Gordon came in.
Why are fans confused? Why are the players confused and upset? Have they missed the last 2 months?

I think club lost confidence in Jack Ross for the January window as much as anything. Club will already have started work on that and I could easily see a disagreement there. I think club would've preferred to leave it until after the cup as well. Think more than we will ever know has motivated this change. Both Ron and Jack spoke really positively about each other so something has obviously outweighed their admiration.

gaz1875

12-12-2021, 06:41 PM

I’d much prefer McInnes than Lennon however I don’t think there would be much of a change under McInnes be more of the same percentage football, fine margins borefest

I think he would be fine, he did build a strong defence. If I remember correctly they had loads of 1-0 wins especially away from home. We could do with some of these just now!!

Dmas

12-12-2021, 06:45 PM

I think he would be fine, he did build a strong defence. If I remember correctly they had loads of 1-0 wins especially away from home. We could do with some of these just now!!

No doubt about it, but he signed some amount of misfiring strikers and if you mind back his teams where bogging get a lead foul dive break up the game etc I’m not sure that brings fans back onside

Blurhibee

12-12-2021, 06:45 PM

Fixed that for you, the ****my ginger **** has no respect for our club..

You have obviously never spoke to him to say that

JXM73

12-12-2021, 06:47 PM

No doubt about it, but he signed some amount of misfiring strikers and if you mind back his teams where bogging get a lead foul dive break up the game etc I’m not sure that brings fans back onside

So if we play like that on sunday and win you'll no accept that win, aye right!

madhatter

12-12-2021, 06:47 PM

Wonder if Ron Gordon will be asking for advice from the Lille owners? He's friends with them, no? Maybe caught the club name wrong. Certain it was mentioned that the data analysts were sharing some best practice.

greenlex

12-12-2021, 06:48 PM

Fans can call for whatever they want. Doesn't mean the club do it.
You wouldn't put a "sustainable future" in a sacking statement. Club have been vocal about being a consistent top 4 team since Ron Gordon came in.
Why are fans confused? Why are the players confused and upset? Have they missed the last 2 months?

I think club lost confidence in Jack Ross for the January window as much as anything. Club will already have started work on that and I could easily see a disagreement there. I think club would've preferred to leave it until after the cup as well. Think more than we will ever know has motivated this change. Both Ron and Jack spoke really positively about each other so something has obviously outweighed their admiration.
It’s an age old saying medals(or in this case 3rd/4th place) aren’t handed out in December. We are currently 5 points behind 4th place with a game in hand to play on Tuesday. The board or owner have jumped the gun. Their ball I suppose but some have concerns. I don’t buy the lids of confidence for the Jan window either. We have haded out contracts to numerous current players in the past few weeks. That doesn’t add up.

gaz1875

12-12-2021, 06:48 PM

No doubt about it, but he signed some amount of misfiring strikers and if you mind back his teams where bogging get a lead foul dive break up the game etc I’m not sure that brings fans back onside

Did most of the strikers not get transferred? He would have a couple of decent strikers to work with if Doidge can get fit and Nisbet gets his finger out.

Danderhall Hibs

12-12-2021, 06:51 PM

That’s incorrect, check again.

Bit boring for everyone but Santo, Smith and ****e all went the week or in days before the window. Bruce was a bit different due to the takeover but still only a week different.

It’s clear you just wanted him out with no plan - that’s fine. I just have higher expectations of Hibs than that.

bingo70

12-12-2021, 06:53 PM

madhatter

12-12-2021, 06:54 PM

It’s an age old saying medals(or in this case 3rd/4th place) aren’t handed out in December. We are currently 5 points behind 4th place with a game in hand to play on Tuesday. The board or owner have jumped the gun. Their ball I suppose.

Maybe. Unfortunately we keep losing or drawing our games in hand. In a perfect world we could assume that's an easy 3pts. It isn't though. We've had loads of games in hand but haven't moved upwards at all. I don't think they've jumped the gun. I do think something on top of our form has motivated the move. I'm guessing January window and the need to fix this squad. Mathie got emptied, maybe Jack Ross was relieved for a similar reason - rigid mindset to signings or whatever.

B.H.F.C

12-12-2021, 06:55 PM

Bit boring for everyone but Santo, Smith and ****e all went the week or in days before the window. Bruce was a bit different due to the takeover but still only a week different.

It’s clear you just wanted him out with no plan - that’s fine. I just have higher expectations of Hibs than that.

Agree it’s boring but if you’re going to Chuck things out there to back up your argument then get it right. Six sackings, three during a break and three not. As I said, for every one that goes during a break, we could name one that doesn’t.

And no, I didn’t want the manager sacked with no plan. I’ve not even said I wanted him sacked. Just that I don’t think he can have any complaints that he was sacked.

greenlex

12-12-2021, 06:56 PM

Maybe. Unfortunately we keep losing or drawing our games in hand. In a perfect world we could assume that's an easy 3pts. It isn't though. We've had loads of games in hand but haven't moved upwards at all. I don't think they've jumped the gun. I do think something on top of our form has motivated the move. I'm guessing January window and the need to fix this squad. Mathie got emptied, maybe Jack Ross was relieved for a similar reason - rigid mindset to signings or whatever.
Added an edit about the window. If the squad needs such a revamp why are so many contract extensions being handed out to the current squad in recent weeks?

madhatter

12-12-2021, 06:56 PM

Really? I’ve never heard that before. When was that said?

Certain it was mentioned in Longbangers podcast with data analyst at Hibs. Sure it was said that Ron knew owner of Lille and had some best practice stuff was shared but might be wrong. Bad memory these days.

bingo70

12-12-2021, 06:57 PM

Certain it was mentioned in Longbangers podcast with data analyst at Hibs. Sure it was said that Ron knew owner of Lille and had some best practice stuff was shared but might be wrong. Bad memory these days.

Thanks.

Hadn’t heard that before.

madhatter

12-12-2021, 06:58 PM

Added an edit about the window. If the squad needs such a revamp why are so many contract extensions being handed out to the current squad in recent weeks?

Because they are good players. We just don't have a good squad and certainly don't have a balanced starting 11. We're still only a good team on paper.

Incidentally, regardless of Jack Ross situation I didn't agree with JDH extension. Thought that was crazy seeing as he had just joined.

Danderhall Hibs

12-12-2021, 06:58 PM

Agree it’s boring but if you’re going to Chuck things out there to back up your argument then get it right. Six sackings, three during a break and three not. As I said, for every one that goes during a break, we could name one that doesn’t.

And no, I didn’t want the manager sacked with no plan. I’ve not even said I wanted him sacked. Just that I don’t think he can have any complaints that he was sacked.

Who’s the 6? Bruce, ****e, Smith, Santo and Ole are the ones I found. Bruce they wanted out but couldn’t for the window.

As I said I’m looking forward to the new guy - we need him in asap though. Hope we’re not dithering after looking so decisive the other day.

Billy Whizz

12-12-2021, 07:01 PM

Added an edit about the window. If the squad needs such a revamp why are so many contract extensions being handed out to the current squad in recent weeks?

I’m presuming they were given out on Jack’s advice, and let Ben get on with them
It looks like they weren’t expecting our results to fall off a cliff, and someone has pressed the exit button

B.H.F.C

12-12-2021, 07:01 PM

Who’s the 6? Bruce, ****e, Smith, Santo and Ole are the ones I found. Bruce they wanted out but couldn’t for the window.

As I said I’m looking forward to the new guy - we need him in asap though. Hope we’re not dithering after looking so decisive the other day.

Xisco Munoz.

Him, ****e, Smith sacked during the international break. Ole, Nuno, Bruce weren’t.

Danderhall Hibs

12-12-2021, 07:04 PM

Xisco Munoz.

Him, ****e, Smith sacked during the international break. Ole, Nuno, Bruce weren’t.

Had no idea about him but left on 3/10 and window started 4/10.

4 v 2 and that 2 includes Bruce who everyone knew was going.

B.H.F.C

12-12-2021, 07:16 PM

Had no idea about him but left on 3/10 and window started 4/10.

4 v 2 and that 2 includes Bruce who everyone knew was going.

Nuno, Ole and Bruce all left two or three days before their teams played their next game . The other three left the day or day after the last game before an international break. An even split. Chuck in the fact three successive Hibs managers have been sacked with games to come (and in the previous couple of instances it’s taken a couple of weeks to make the new appointment) I don’t think your comment that teams ‘usually’ sack managers during the international break is accurate. Sometimes they do, sometimes they don’t and we’ve not done anything particularly differently to we have previously.

Danderhall Hibs

12-12-2021, 07:18 PM

Nuno, Ole and Bruce all left two or three days before their teams played their next game . The other three left the day or day after the last game before an international break. An even split. Chuck in the fact three successive Hibs managers have been sacked with games to come (and in the previous couple of instances it’s taken a couple of weeks to make the new appointment) I don’t think your comment that teams ‘usually’ sack managers during the international break is accurate.

It’s a small sample - I need you to go back over the last 3 seasons in the EPL and Scottish Premiership to prove I’m wrong.

Also I don’t think we should look at what Hi s have done in the past - if we want to improve we should ignore history.

Highwayman

12-12-2021, 07:18 PM

bigwheel

12-12-2021, 07:21 PM

Tam McManus on Off The Ball today was punting for Shaun Maloney.

Hibs we’re previously interested in John Kennedy,but he chose to stay at Celtic.

Is it once again time for Hibs to go for a rookie head coach and see what fresh ideas he would come with.

Apparently Maloney was lined up to come as assistant to Kennedy. The deal looked on until Celtic persuaded Kennedy to stay with them. I think Damien Duff was coming too. Hibs were digging deep for the three of them..

Different people leading the recruitment back then though.

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FitbaFolkKen

12-12-2021, 08:18 PM

Really liked Lennon for the bulk of his reign at Easter Road, however, the last few months and the manner of his exit mean I really wouldn't want him back at the club.

B.H.F.C

12-12-2021, 08:30 PM

It’s a small sample - I need you to go back over the last 3 seasons in the EPL and Scottish Premiership to prove I’m wrong.

Also I don’t think we should look at what Hi s have done in the past - if we want to improve we should ignore history.

Don’t think I’ll bother doing that, I’m not that bored. I merely responded to the sample size that you brought in to it, even if your numbers did need corrected. I’ll say it again, I don’t think clubs ‘usually’ get rid of managers during an international break. Sometimes they will, sometimes they won’t. As the combined numbers between the two leagues you mention for this season show.

B.H.F.C

12-12-2021, 08:31 PM

Really liked Lennon for the bulk of his reign at Easter Road, however, the last few months and the manner of his exit mean I really wouldn't want him back at the club.

Agree with this. Would be too divisive at this point in time.

GreenCastle

12-12-2021, 08:32 PM

Lennon would be a bit of a risk.

Don’t forget his most recent time at Celtic and his various off the pitch issues.

The common theme with Lennon is that everyone feels we always felt we had a chance in a game plus the confidence / arrogance he brought to the team and club.

We have to find that again somehow.

McInnes would be a solid more stable replacement and probably feels he has a point to prove following his Aberdeen sacking. I doubt he would take any nonsense and would build a solid squad.

Again all depends on assistants too.

I hope we don’t go for a complete rookie / risky appointment who sees us an experiment to gain experience.

It surely most be a popular job - I just want someone who buys into Hibs and the culture / fans - unites the fans and makes ER a place to go where we will be hard to beat.

Danderhall Hibs

12-12-2021, 08:34 PM

Don’t think I’ll bother doing that, I’m not that bored. I merely responded to the sample size that you brought in to it, even if your numbers did need corrected. I’ll say it again, I don’t think clubs ‘usually’ get rid of managers during an international break. Sometimes they will, sometimes they won’t. As the combined numbers between the two leagues you mention for this season show.

Disputed more than corrected. You gave me an extra one that bulked up my point.

I’ll stick with usually - by which I mean more often than not a manager will be sacked when there’s a gap to get the new guy in. You disagree and that’s fine. I was hoping you were away doing the numbers - maybe you started then realised I was right? :wink:

WhileTheChief..

12-12-2021, 08:41 PM

B.H.F.C

12-12-2021, 08:43 PM

Disputed more than corrected. You gave me an extra one that bulked up my point.

I’ll stick with usually - by which I mean more often than not a manager will be sacked when there’s a gap to get the new guy in. You disagree and that’s fine. I was hoping you were away doing the numbers - maybe you started then realised I was right? :wink:

I gave you the correct numbers, then pointed out that three were sacked during an international break and three weren’t. There isn’t anything to dispute, it’s a factual thing and puts a pretty different slant on things from your initial post.

B.H.F.C

12-12-2021, 08:45 PM

Maybe Lennon would do even better this time around.

More experienced. Celtic job not on the horizon. Something to prove. Older, wiser, mellowed?

People can change.

If he came in and we won the first 3 or 4 games on the bounce most of you would surely get behind him?

I personally wouldn’t mind him. There was always a thought that folk weren’t behind JR from the start, you could multiply that by a fairly big number as to how it would be if Lennon came back. I just can’t see it happening.

Danderhall Hibs

12-12-2021, 08:46 PM

I gave you the correct numbers, then pointed out that three were sacked during an international break and three weren’t. There isn’t anything to dispute, it’s a factual thing and puts a pretty different slant on things from your initial post.

4 were. 1 was in the post and 1 wasn’t. Still it’s a small sample and as I said over the course of a full season or more managers are usually sacked at a time when there isn’t a fixture within a few days.

GreenCastle

12-12-2021, 08:48 PM

Maybe Lennon would do even better this time around.

More experienced. Celtic job not on the horizon. Something to prove. Older, wiser, mellowed?

People can change.

If he came in and we won the first 3 or 4 games on the bounce most of you would surely get behind him?

It’s a interesting point.

You do wonder whether he will manage another club again?

Does he still have the appetite to manage ?

You really think McInnes would be interested though - he’s had enough of a break to reflect and probably wanting to earn again with a new challenge.

MWHIBBIES

12-12-2021, 08:48 PM

Danderhall Hibs

12-12-2021, 08:50 PM

Any Hibs fan should be behind any Hibs manager. I certainly would be.

:agree: like I was the last time and I will be the next time.

LeithMike

12-12-2021, 09:00 PM

Any Hibs fan should be behind any Hibs manager. I certainly would be.A bit naieve no? That's like saying we should also be behind the owner no matter what. Football fans should always hold their club accountable and ask questions. That doesn't mean you can't support the club but this blind loyalty means you just have to accept whatever goes on.

I really like Lennon but some of the things at the end of his tenure just weren't right.

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B.H.F.C

12-12-2021, 09:00 PM

4 were. 1 was in the post and 1 wasn’t. Still it’s a small sample and as I said over the course of a full season or more managers are usually sacked at a time when there isn’t a fixture within a few days.

Bruce was sacked 20th October, next game on the 23rd.

Nuno was sacked 1st November, next game on the 4th.

Ole was sacked 21st November, next game on the 23rd.

The other three went during the international break.

Pretty small point but you’re having a pop at the club as if they’ve done something out of the ordinary when they haven’t. They might not be proven to be right but there’s just an assumption that there is absolutely no plan when we don’t know that there isn’t.

Danderhall Hibs

12-12-2021, 09:03 PM

Bruce was sacked 20th October, next game on the 23rd.

Nuno was sacked 1st November, next game on the 4th.

Ole was sacked 21st November, next game on the 23rd.

The other three went during the international break.

Pretty small point but you’re having a pop at the club as if they’ve done something out of the ordinary when they haven’t. They might not be proven to be right but there’s just an assumption that there is absolutely no plan when we don’t know that there isn’t.

Nuno was 1 game before the break - Bruce was sacked but they let him have his 1000th game and his payoff to hang on for an extra week. Maybe do it didn’t look like a panic move?

I think the club need to get their arse in gear - not having a pop but they need to be decisive. Otherwise it looks like a knee jerk panic reaction.

MWHIBBIES

12-12-2021, 09:05 PM

A bit naieve no? That's like saying we should also be behind the owner no matter what. Football fans should always hold their club accountable and ask questions. That doesn't mean you can't support the club but this blind loyalty means you just have to accept whatever goes on.

I really like Lennon but some of the things at the end of his tenure just weren't right.

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Owner is definitely different from manager. Manager I want to win every match always. Owner can destroy a club with bad choices

davhibby

12-12-2021, 09:05 PM

Who would you suggest? Genuine question.

It’s not my job thankfully however as I said a few posts earlier I’d rather have Jack Ross than either McInnes or Lennon

B.H.F.C

12-12-2021, 09:15 PM

Nuno was 1 game before the break - Bruce was sacked but they let him have his 1000th game and his payoff to hang on for an extra week. Maybe do it didn’t look like a panic move?

I think the club need to get their arse in gear - not having a pop but they need to be decisive. Otherwise it looks like a knee jerk panic reaction.

So we’re agreed, neither were sacked during an international break. Glad we got there (Spurs had two games 1 European and 1 League as well).

I agree we need a new manager ASAP, I just can’t recall the same level of chat about not having a plan we sacked Heckingbottom and took a couple of weeks to appoint Ross. Or when Lennon left and we took a couple of weeks to appoint Heckingbottom.

LeithMike

12-12-2021, 09:16 PM

Owner is definitely different from manager. Manager I want to win every match always. Owner can destroy a club with bad choicesSo can a manager. Sometimes short term pain for long term gain.

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Callum_62

12-12-2021, 09:24 PM

Surley we will get some kind of comms from the club tomorrow in terms of strategy?

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Danderhall Hibs

12-12-2021, 09:25 PM

So we’re agreed, neither were sacked during an international break. Glad we got there (Spurs had two games 1 European and 1 League as well).

I agree we need a new manager ASAP, I just can’t recall the same level of chat about not having a plan we sacked Heckingbottom and took a couple of weeks to appoint Ross. Or when Lennon left and we took a couple of weeks to appoint Heckingbottom.

We’re clearly going to have to agree to disagree. They knew the break was coming so got it done - we’ve binned him in the middle of the busiest month of the season with apparently no plan.

I always moan it takes too long - was hoping it would be different this time. But as has been said plenty recently - we shouldn’t compare with what’s happened previously. That’s accepting mediocrity.

#2 Double Tap

12-12-2021, 09:32 PM

We’re clearly going to have to agree to disagree. They knew the break was coming so got it done - we’ve binned him in the middle of the busiest month of the season with apparently no plan.

I always moan it takes too long - was hoping it would be different this time. But as has been said plenty recently - we shouldn’t compare with what’s happened previously. That’s accepting mediocrity.

They sacked him at the perfect time, its all about jan transfer window for us, the league cup is a free hit, we will be massive underdogs with or without ross and if he stayed we would be lingering at the bottom of the league anyway, so acting now and having a few weeks to get a new guy in, should be seen as pretty sensible, not acting without a plan, imo

davhibby

12-12-2021, 09:34 PM

Surley we will get some kind of comms from the club tomorrow in terms of strategy?

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Certainly if we’re not going to have someone in before Sunday it would be nice to hear from Ben on where we’re going

Danderhall Hibs

12-12-2021, 09:34 PM

GreenCastle

12-12-2021, 09:38 PM

Certainly if we’re not going to have someone in before Sunday it would be nice to hear from Ben on where we’re going

Yup - would hopefully be before Tuesday or even tomorrow.

Obviously focus will be Tuesdays game and Dundee but looking likely we will go into the final with no preparation from a new manager or 1 session maximum at the end of the week if we are lucky.

Heisenberg

12-12-2021, 09:40 PM

Robbie Fowler the latest to throw his hat in the ring.

Callum_62

12-12-2021, 09:40 PM

Yup - would hopefully be before Tuesday or even tomorrow.

Obviously focus will be Wednesday and Dundee but looking likely we will go into the final with no preparation from a new manager or 1 session maximum at the end of the week if we are lucky.Our game against Dundee is Tuesday

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madhatter

12-12-2021, 09:40 PM

The last international break would’ve made more sense though.

Would it? People have been crying about Jack Ross getting the cup final.

I get people liked Jack Ross but the debate around his departure is getting ridiculous. It was too soon, no it wasn't should have been international break, it shouldn't have happened, he should have got January, the media say it is a "disgraceful decision", media say we don't have a plan and it was knee-jerked.

Aberdeen sacked McInnes and I just don't think there was as much made of it as this. McInnes was more successful than Jack Ross.

Clubs sack managers when majority chairholder, CEO and board think they should be sacked.

Watford sack managers when the lose a single match. At least it seems like it.

#2 Double Tap

12-12-2021, 09:41 PM

The last international break would’ve made more sense though.

I agree they waited too long, i am on record wanting rid of ross since last year, the reason they never done it during the last international break was because they and the majority of fans still had faith he wasnt a donkey.

The loss to county and livi showed jack had completely lost the plot, any hope they had disappeared, so they acted accordingly.

In the process giving us a chance of rescuing the season, with a new boss and a full transfer window for him to work with.

madhatter

12-12-2021, 09:42 PM

Robbie Fowler the latest to throw his hat in the ring.

Wouldn't surprise me but he's got a fairly poor reputation as a coach it seems. Doubt he will be a leading candidate. Coached in other countries may work for him though. Seemed to work in Steve Kean's favour.

Callum_62

12-12-2021, 09:43 PM

Robbie Fowler the latest to throw his hat in the ring.Aw naw

Fowler then made his first signing as a manager in June, when*Roy O'Donovan*signed from*Newcastle United Jets.[139]

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bingo70

12-12-2021, 09:44 PM

Robbie Fowler the latest to throw his hat in the ring.

The fact he’s done that pretty much means hes no chance of getting it. Still though, it’s another name for us to turn our nose up at 😂

darwenhibby

12-12-2021, 09:55 PM

The more I think about it I think we were too hasty in sacking JR
A free hit at the cup final and a January window might have made up for the summer window disaster!
I tongue in cheek mentioned Alex Miller and John Collins partnership
Some one like Miller for an eye for a player and Collins who could up the tempo with the right players but stays out of the choosing players part of recruitment.
Perhaps a Boyd and Bremner scenario
One with the Australian background and the other the knowledge down south lower leagues .
I think they would be entertaining.

ArmadaleHibs

12-12-2021, 10:02 PM

Regardless of who the club see fit to manage us we can only please some of the fans some of the time and unfortunately not all of the fans all of the time. With having such a large and varied support there will always be differences. I choose not to shout abuse at players or management although I will discuss my likes and dislikes on various social media. Some of the utter nonsense from some of our fans recently regarding JR or potential new managers is just atrocious before a balls even been kicked. Who actually knows what the club are thinking or who is in line, all speculation until confirmed. I will get behind whoever is chosen for whatever reason or whoever it maybe. This is NOT through blind loyalty but more that if we don’t at least try and get the right support moving forward then it’s probably doomed before we start. The expectations in our support since winning the holy grail in 2016 seems to be through the roof. Understandably so and rightly so in most aspects, but just remember we are still in a league where two of the main players are financially and support wise and possibly through spfl and tv rights, way out of our league in terms of week to week competition.

I feel we as Hibernian supporters need to just take a step back and start to support the club in a positive frame where we can.

Ggtth

The 90+2

12-12-2021, 10:05 PM

Robbie Fowler the latest to throw his hat in the ring.

Not to be sniffed at.

matty_f

12-12-2021, 10:06 PM

I don’t remember that ever happening with Hibs let alone it being the norm.

I will give you that if time passes and we don’t have a replacement lined up then I’ll agree that’s poor.

When we sacked someone Thursday though, even if we had the replacement lined up, I think it’s reasonable for it to take a few days to get them in.

I agree - more often than not when a manager is sacked there’s a process to recruit the new manager. Jack Ross didn’t come in the day after Hecky left, who didn’t come in straight after Lennon left, who wasn’t in straight after Stubbs who wasn’t in immediately after Butcher and so on.

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#2 Double Tap

12-12-2021, 10:09 PM

Not to be sniffed at.

magic :top marks

The 90+2

12-12-2021, 10:10 PM

magic :top marks

😆

Callum_62

12-12-2021, 10:15 PM

Who would come in as Lennons assistant now Potters gone?

None of the rumours mention that?

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Hibee Mac

12-12-2021, 10:25 PM

Just give me someone who wants to play exciting football with a clear style of play. Even if it takes a wee while to get going there's going to be more chance of getting fans back on board again.

Unseen work

12-12-2021, 10:28 PM

Enzo Maresca
Uwe Rosler
Jonathan Woodgate
Liam Manning with Chris Hogg as his assistant.

BegbieHSC

12-12-2021, 10:41 PM

Who would come in as Lennons assistant now Potters gone?

None of the rumours mention that?

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Get McCoist in. Absolute dream team ;).

Nah, given Kennedy has rejected us for the number 1 job, I wouldn’t be offering him the number 2.

Id really like Alex Dyer as a number 2 - seems like a really decent bloke, and could maybe be a contrast to Lennon’s man-management style to give a bit of balance.

Failing that, SDG?

kaimendhibs

12-12-2021, 10:43 PM

Neil Lennon no way. Engineered his exit to his first love, Septic. Got there and ruined them.
Not in a million years for me

kaimendhibs

12-12-2021, 10:45 PM

Dick Campbell. Doesnt need the money but wow, brilliant coach/manager

gbhibby

12-12-2021, 11:02 PM

Who would come in as Lennons assistant now Potters gone?

None of the rumours mention that?

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Chris Sutton, only way they will be allowed into Ibrox.

madhatter

12-12-2021, 11:08 PM

Raul Caneda Perez

Dr_Regal

12-12-2021, 11:50 PM

The 90+2

12-12-2021, 11:52 PM

erin go bragh

13-12-2021, 04:49 AM

Libby Hibby

13-12-2021, 05:18 AM

Just give me someone who wants to play exciting football with a clear style of play. Even if it takes a wee while to get going there's going to be more chance of getting fans back on board again.

I agree with this. In my Hibs lifetime, the one manager that did this the best was Neil Lennon. Not the greatest of endings with him but initially what a swagger we had. If he returns and gets the backing financially in January to match his ambitions, I am convinced the fans will be happy and together with the team and style on the park.

Unseen work

13-12-2021, 05:46 AM

I know the rumours are that Alex Neil isn’t interested but I don’t believe it for a second. Already quoted as saying he is going to come back up the road to coach. 3rd biggest job in the country.
I’d have him tomorrow, no other interviews needed.

My only thing with Neil is he maybe thinks his stock is still too high in England to leave. He would probably back himself to get another championship team or team high in league 1 and have the potential to get promoted.

He may think he’s got another job in England with more money which he could fail at before returning to Scotland.

Not saying that is the case, but may be something that’s on his mind.

He was my first pick so I’d be delighted if we got him.

Unseen work

13-12-2021, 05:50 AM

JimBHibees

13-12-2021, 06:00 AM

My only thing with Neil is he maybe thinks his stock is still too high in England to leave. He would probably back himself to get another championship team or team high in league 1 and have the potential to get promoted.

He may think he’s got another job in England with more money which he could fail at before returning to Scotland.

Not saying that is the case, but may be something that’s on his mind.

He was my first pick so I’d be delighted if we got him.

Pretty good point getting a team into the premier league will always get his name in the frame down south. Get the impression he may have been using us to get his name out there in England.

LongJohnBanger

13-12-2021, 06:27 AM

I agree with this. In my Hibs lifetime, the one manager that did this the best was Neil Lennon. Not the greatest of endings with him but initially what a swagger we had. If he returns and gets the backing financially in January to match his ambitions, I am convinced the fans will be happy and together with the team and style on the park.

Respectfully, I think there's a lot of green tinted specs with Lennon.

He guided Hibs out of the Championship but there was no swagger about it.

What that Hibs team of his had was few losses; in all competitions while Hibs were in the Championship Lennon's record read:

W - 53%
D - 32%
L- 15%

His best and full season in the Premiership was similar but the losses crept up a wee bit and was probably best remembered for an admittedly good post-Christmas run.

His record in all competitionsthat season was:

W - 50%
D - 30%
L - 20%

From 31/01/18 (I'm picking that date because that's when Kamberi signed) Hibs won 8 out of 14, had 5 draws and 1 crucial defeat at Tiny. I'll leave other people to comment on that game because for me, the "born winner" shat the bed with that team selection and chucked the toys out the pram thereafter.

On 30 January Hibs terminated Stokes contract. He'd been with Hibs four months and seemed to take longer to sign than to get rid. We also had the transfer merry-go-round of Scott Allan, Simon Murray, Scott Bain (and anyone else included in that deal I've forgotten).

Between Stokes and Murray we lost 20 odd goals between them. It was, in my opinion, a bizarre transfer window but it worked out.

Then we had Lennon's final season. From the highs of Asteras Tripolis to the lows of...well, whatever that statement was about him no longer being Hibs manager.

His record at that point was:

W - 39%
D - 35%
L - 26%

Jamie Maclaren injured, Kamberi playing up front on his own (and frequently criticised by Lennon), McGinn away, McGeouch away - they were all factors in the team's form and Lennon's departure.

There's little in that set of circumstances other than three and a half good months of football from 31 January 2018 through to the 5-5 game in May 2018 that makes me think he'd be the success supporters want, moreso when you take into account the job he did at Celtic after Hibs.

Wanting Lennon back is like having a few drinks and getting wistful about your ex that was a good ride and giving them a booty call at 3 in the morning. Not a good idea.

JimBHibees

13-12-2021, 06:35 AM

Respectfully, I think there's a lot of green tinted specs with Lennon.

He guided Hibs out of the Championship but there was no swagger about it.

What that Hibs team of his had was few losses; in all competitions while Hibs were in the Championship Lennon's record read:

W - 53%
D - 32%
L- 15%

His best and full season in the Premiership was similar but the losses crept up a wee bit and was probably best remembered for an admittedly good post-Christmas run.

His record in all competitionsthat season was:

W - 50%
D - 30%
L - 20%

From 31/01/18 (I'm picking that date because that's when Kamberi signed) Hibs won 8 out of 14, had 5 draws and 1 crucial defeat at Tiny. I'll leave other people to comment on that game because for me, the "born winner" shat the bed with that team selection and chucked the toys out the pram thereafter.

On 30 January Hibs terminated Stokes contract. He'd been with Hibs four months and seemed to take longer to sign than to get rid. We also had the transfer merry-go-round of Scott Allan, Simon Murray, Scott Bain (and anyone else included in that deal I've forgotten).

Between Stokes and Murray we lost 20 odd goals between them. It was, in my opinion, a bizarre transfer window but it worked out.

Then we had Lennon's final season. From the highs of Asteras Tripolis to the lows of...well, whatever that statement was about him no longer being Hibs manager.

His record at that point was:

W - 39%
D - 35%
L - 26%

Jamie Maclaren injured, Kamberi playing up front on his own (and frequently criticised by Lennon), McGinn away, McGeouch away - they were all factors in the team's form and Lennon's departure.

There's little in that set of circumstances other than three and a half good months of football from 31 January 2018 through to the 5-5 game in May 2018 that makes me think he'd be the success supporters want, moreso when you take into account the job he did at Celtic after Hibs.

Wanting Lennon back is like having a few drinks and getting wistful about your ex that was a good ride and giving them a booty call at 3 in the morning. Not a good idea.

Think your last paragraph sums it up perfectly. :greengrin

Steven79

13-12-2021, 06:36 AM

Respectfully, I think there's a lot of green tinted specs with Lennon.

He guided Hibs out of the Championship but there was no swagger about it.

What that Hibs team of his had was few losses; in all competitions while Hibs were in the Championship Lennon's record read:

W - 53%
D - 32%
L- 15%

His best and full season in the Premiership was similar but the losses crept up a wee bit and was probably best remembered for an admittedly good post-Christmas run.

His record in all competitionsthat season was:

W - 50%
D - 30%
L - 20%

From 31/01/18 (I'm picking that date because that's when Kamberi signed) Hibs won 8 out of 14, had 5 draws and 1 crucial defeat at Tiny. I'll leave other people to comment on that game because for me, the "born winner" shat the bed with that team selection and chucked the toys out the pram thereafter.

On 30 January Hibs terminated Stokes contract. He'd been with Hibs four months and seemed to take longer to sign than to get rid. We also had the transfer merry-go-round of Scott Allan, Simon Murray, Scott Bain (and anyone else included in that deal I've forgotten).

Between Stokes and Murray we lost 20 odd goals between them. It was, in my opinion, a bizarre transfer window but it worked out.

Then we had Lennon's final season. From the highs of Asteras Tripolis to the lows of...well, whatever that statement was about him no longer being Hibs manager.

His record at that point was:

W - 39%
D - 35%
L - 26%

Jamie Maclaren injured, Kamberi playing up front on his own (and frequently criticised by Lennon), McGinn away, McGeouch away - they were all factors in the team's form and Lennon's departure.

There's little in that set of circumstances other than three and a half good months of football from 31 January 2018 through to the 5-5 game in May 2018 that makes me think he'd be the success supporters want, moreso when you take into account the job he did at Celtic after Hibs.

Wanting Lennon back is like having a few drinks and getting wistful about your ex that was a good ride and giving them a booty call at 3 in the morning. Not a good idea.That game at Tynecastle still annoys me.

I was living in Bradford at the time and didn't get back home till 6 in the morning and as you said Lennon shat the bed with his formation and only played.one up front.

He bottled 2nd place that day along with the bizarre game at Easter Road against Rangers where we went 3 goals up against them only to find ourselves 5-3 down.

On the bright side it was never dull...

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BlackSheep

13-12-2021, 06:40 AM

Respectfully, I think there's a lot of green tinted specs with Lennon.

He guided Hibs out of the Championship but there was no swagger about it.

What that Hibs team of his had was few losses; in all competitions while Hibs were in the Championship Lennon's record read:

W - 53%
D - 32%
L- 15%

His best and full season in the Premiership was similar but the losses crept up a wee bit and was probably best remembered for an admittedly good post-Christmas run.

His record in all competitionsthat season was:

W - 50%
D - 30%
L - 20%

From 31/01/18 (I'm picking that date because that's when Kamberi signed) Hibs won 8 out of 14, had 5 draws and 1 crucial defeat at Tiny. I'll leave other people to comment on that game because for me, the "born winner" shat the bed with that team selection and chucked the toys out the pram thereafter.

On 30 January Hibs terminated Stokes contract. He'd been with Hibs four months and seemed to take longer to sign than to get rid. We also had the transfer merry-go-round of Scott Allan, Simon Murray, Scott Bain (and anyone else included in that deal I've forgotten).

Between Stokes and Murray we lost 20 odd goals between them. It was, in my opinion, a bizarre transfer window but it worked out.

Then we had Lennon's final season. From the highs of Asteras Tripolis to the lows of...well, whatever that statement was about him no longer being Hibs manager.

His record at that point was:

W - 39%
D - 35%
L - 26%

Jamie Maclaren injured, Kamberi playing up front on his own (and frequently criticised by Lennon), McGinn away, McGeouch away - they were all factors in the team's form and Lennon's departure.

There's little in that set of circumstances other than three and a half good months of football from 31 January 2018 through to the 5-5 game in May 2018 that makes me think he'd be the success supporters want, moreso when you take into account the job he did at Celtic after Hibs.

Wanting Lennon back is like having a few drinks and getting wistful about your ex that was a good ride and giving them a booty call at 3 in the morning. Not a good idea.

Some 3am booty calls end in long term relationships, marriage and even kids….!

Everything you have said makes total sense, but the one thing that I can’t shift is the differing state we are in now to when Lennon was first here… no Petrie, no Dempster and no Kamberi…. And a bell of a stronger foundation of a squad he would inherit.

Only time will tell what’s gonna happen… I think realistically we are u likely to see Lennon back in the hot seat…. But never say never!

Since90+2

13-12-2021, 06:47 AM

Brightside

13-12-2021, 06:49 AM

Who would come in as Lennons assistant now Potters gone?

None of the rumours mention that?

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Parker did all the training back in the day. Not sure if they are still friends as he didn’t get him into Celtic.

Callum_62

13-12-2021, 06:51 AM

He bottled 2nd place that day along with the bizarre game at Easter Road against Rangers where we went 3 goals up against them only to find ourselves 5-3 down.

On the bright side it was never dull...

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We had to beat rangers by 5 goals to get 3rd

We were smashing them and looked dangerous Every time we went forward first 25 mins

Yes we could've reverted to 5-4-1 when it went 3-0 but they could've scored at anytime

One of the most enjoyable games I've watched and no chnsce u can label 'bottled' about anything that day

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S4uzee

13-12-2021, 06:53 AM

Some 3am booty calls end in long term relationships, marriage and even kids….!

Everything you have said makes total sense, but the one thing that I can’t shift is the differing state we are in now to when Lennon was first here… no Petrie, no Dempster and no Kamberi…. And a bell of a stronger foundation of a squad he would inherit.

Only time will tell what’s gonna happen… I think realistically we are u likely to see Lennon back in the hot seat…. But never say never!
You think he would have a stronger squad now than the one in 2016? No chance

Broken Gnome

13-12-2021, 06:55 AM

Lennon's bad period featured an unbalanced slow midfield and piss poor striking options. That's exactly what he's inheriting, there isn't really a chance of the in-your-face style that his best spell consisted of.

I can't really see this is the type of team that he'd get a lot out of.

Smartie

13-12-2021, 07:00 AM

Some 3am booty calls end in long term relationships, marriage and even kids….!

Everything you have said makes total sense, but the one thing that I can’t shift is the differing state we are in now to when Lennon was first here… no Petrie, no Dempster and no Kamberi…. And a bell of a stronger foundation of a squad he would inherit.

Only time will tell what’s gonna happen… I think realistically we are u likely to see Lennon back in the hot seat…. But never say never!

I’d take serious issue with the idea that the foundation we have now is stronger than the team that had won the cup.

#2 Double Tap

13-12-2021, 07:03 AM

Did he not finish that second season matching our best ever points total.
Green tints or not, that’s pretty impressive, as is the loss %.

Callum_62

13-12-2021, 07:10 AM

Did he not finish that second season matching our best ever points total.
Green tints or not, that’s pretty impressive, as is the loss %.I guess the same can be said for the manager we juts sacked

Lennon had a good period but the end was very poor both in terms of the team performance and his offield behavior

The one thing I'd give lennon is he had ambitious for us that were greater than what the club were willing to go to

Would that be different under Ron?

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Wilson

13-12-2021, 07:11 AM

Some 3am booty calls end in long term relationships, marriage and even kids….!

He did say it wasn't a good idea!

bingo70

13-12-2021, 07:22 AM

That game at Tynecastle still annoys me.

I was living in Bradford at the time and didn't get back home till 6 in the morning and as you said Lennon shat the bed with his formation and only played.one up front.

He bottled 2nd place that day along with the bizarre game at Easter Road against Rangers where we went 3 goals up against them only to find ourselves 5-3 down.

On the bright side it was never dull...

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I suspect that derby still annoys him too.

I didn’t like how emotionless, cold and lacking passion Ross was after a defeat. Although Lennon clearly took it too far and struggled to get in under control at times, for me that’s a tick in his box compared to Ross’s.

I don’t want Lennon back though, there’s a world of football managers out there, we don’t need to go back to someone who will divide the support as much as he did and ultimately, probably isn’t that good a manager.

Heisenberg

13-12-2021, 07:32 AM

Wouldn't surprise me but he's got a fairly poor reputation as a coach it seems. Doubt he will be a leading candidate. Coached in other countries may work for him though. Seemed to work in Steve Kean's favour.

He wanted the Aberdeen job too. As you say he’s not exactly done an outstanding job anywhere he’s been.

Not to be sniffed at.

😂

lord bunberry

13-12-2021, 07:35 AM

They sacked him at the perfect time, its all about jan transfer window for us, the league cup is a free hit, we will be massive underdogs with or without ross and if he stayed we would be lingering at the bottom of the league anyway, so acting now and having a few weeks to get a new guy in, should be seen as pretty sensible, not acting without a plan, imo
The perfect time!! Unless someone comes in this week it couldn’t be worse timing. The game on Sunday isn’t a run of the mill league game, it’s a cup final against a team with a large injury list. I don’t agree with the fans who wanted Ross out, but I understand why, but I can’t agree that the timing was good because it isn’t. We’re only 3 weeks away from the new year derby, will fans still be as chilled about the timing if we’ve not got a manager or just appointed one by then?

timewilltell

13-12-2021, 07:35 AM

04Sauzee

13-12-2021, 07:38 AM

Half expect Harry Kewell to turn up to the game on Tuesday.

Steven79

13-12-2021, 07:39 AM

We're watching boring, slow and unexciting football. The atmosphere is flat and the stadium is half empty.

Football is about entertainment, passion, drama, full stadiums and like being on a roller-coaster. Great fun and excitement.

Hibs are flat. Lennon would change that and I for one enjoyed his spell with us and would welcome him back.Was the promotion season that entertaining? Was the end of his spell at the club entertaining (on the pitch) ?

I think that he had one decent 5 month spell and it screws the thinking of many...

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Brightside

13-12-2021, 07:46 AM

Hibbyradge

13-12-2021, 07:49 AM

Was promotion season that entertaining? Was the end of his spell at the club entertaining (on the pitch) ?

I think that he had one decent 5 month spell and it screws the thinking of many...

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I don't think it's scewed thinking. It's just hope. Hope that we can replicate those performances.

It's a bit like people clamouring for us to sign Griffiths and Cummings even though they can't get a start at Dundee.

bingo70

13-12-2021, 07:56 AM

I don't think it's scewed thinking. It's just hope. Hope that we can replicate those performances.

It's a bit like people clamouring for us to sign Griffiths and Cummings even though they can't get a start at Dundee.

I agree.

I wanted Lennon gone towards the end of his last spell so there’s no question of me glossing over how it ended. He wouldn’t be my choice to replace Ross now either. If he does get it though, I’ll look for the positives and the fact his personality is the polar opposite to Jack Ross’s means if I can blank out the negative points I can get quite excited about it.

Appointing the next manager isn’t an exact science and it’s unlikely to come down to anything as black and white as good candidate or bad candidate, everybody we’ll be able to get will have pros and cons. No question Lennon has plenty of them in either column.

MWHIBBIES

13-12-2021, 07:59 AM

Lennons team we good throughout 2017/18 season. The 5 month spell thing is a bit rubbish. Some brilliant games early in that season.

davhibby

13-12-2021, 08:14 AM

Lennons team we good throughout 2017/18 season. The 5 month spell thing is a bit rubbish. Some brilliant games early in that season.

There were also plenty poor ones though, including getting soundly beaten at home by Hamilton. The second half of the season is mentioned because it’s probably almost exactly what people ask for when they think about hibs. Exciting football, winning most games and challenging at the top end of the table. If we’d not been that good in the second half of the season we’d have been battling with Hearts for 5th. So yes we were decent in the first half of the season but nothing spectacular.

MWHIBBIES

13-12-2021, 08:24 AM

There were also plenty poor ones though, including getting soundly beaten at home by Hamilton. The second half of the season is mentioned because it’s probably almost exactly what people ask for when they think about hibs. Exciting football, winning most games and challenging at the top end of the table. If we’d not been that good in the second half of the season we’d have been battling with Hearts for 5th. So yes we were decent in the first half of the season but nothing spectacular.

Hamilton and St Johnstone defeats at home were pretty much the only real bad performances. Our good ones were significantly more. Think we'd have been miles clear of hearts regardless.

Springbank

13-12-2021, 08:24 AM

There were also plenty poor ones though, including getting soundly beaten at home by Hamilton. The second half of the season is mentioned because it’s probably almost exactly what people ask for when they think about hibs. Exciting football, winning most games and challenging at the top end of the table. If we’d not been that good in the second half of the season we’d have been battling with Hearts for 5th. So yes we were decent in the first half of the season but nothing spectacular.

we went into the last 2 games of the season knowing 2 wins would guarantee second place.

how many times have Hibs finished in the top 2 since 1875. it's not many

Steve88

13-12-2021, 08:28 AM

Lennons team we good throughout 2017/18 season. The 5 month spell thing is a bit rubbish. Some brilliant games early in that season.

Share this sentiment. There's a generalisation associated with Lennon and it's a populist viewpoint to bash him

If Lennon has recognised and worked on his faults (his ego) and is able to now people manage individual players in the modern era (as opposed to taking the roy keane approach) he could be a top coach.

Lennon's mentality was exactly what every Hibs fan wanted, and wants now - His downfall being the above which split the dressing room, resulting in players downing tools...

Tambo

13-12-2021, 08:28 AM

Alex Trager

13-12-2021, 08:29 AM

we went into the last 2 games of the season knowing 2 wins would guarantee second place.

how many times have Hibs finished in the top 2 since 1875. it's not many

That remains the case because we finished fourth after they two games

Steven79

13-12-2021, 08:31 AM

bigwheel

13-12-2021, 08:31 AM

I'm a bit 50/50 with Lennon. No doubt he could come up and give a few kicks up the ***** but just don't think it's worth the hassle if it goes wrong.

Who ever it is I would like to see a contract giving till the end of the season but again if he does well he could be off to another team.

The fact that we are even debating an interim appointment of Lennon - who left in such a damaged way - shows how ill conceived the exit of Ross was at this time. I liked Lennon, and he certainly could do a job - but it is a ridiculous state for us to be in.

Brightside

13-12-2021, 08:32 AM

Steven79

13-12-2021, 08:32 AM

The fact that we are even debating an interim appointment of Lennon - who left in such a damaged way - shows how ill conceived the exit of Ross was at this time. I liked Lennon, and he certainly could do a job - but it is a ridiculous state for us to be in.After Lennon leaves again we can ask Heckingbottom or Stubbs if they fancy the gig?

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Steve88

13-12-2021, 08:40 AM

How do we know that some of the players with a grudge against him still aren't in the changing room...

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My point above was aimed at addressing the overall sentiment about Lennon's time at Hibs, not to do with bringing him back to Ester Road.

Though I'll enable your point here. Yes, there's a high probability there is and with that we might be shooting ourselves in the foot. However, who in their right mind would return to a manage a group of players, some of which are the core of whom he felt out with... (Though therein lies my point about his ego...)

If reports are correct about his interest in the job (and I'm reading between the lines here...) then I'd suspect he's allowed his name to be associated with the job because he's content that the original player(s) whom he fell out with and ultimately resulted in his downfall are no longer there.

However, to your point. How do the remining players, players friends of those fell out with Lennon, view Lennon..

Steve88

13-12-2021, 08:42 AM

Your last paragraph is wrong. The last thing I want at hibs is Lennons mentality. Some people want that. Some people want a manager who jumps around d on the sidelines and does aeroplane impressions. But it’s far from what Every hibs fan wants. I want stability and someone who can be relied upon season after season to build the club in the right direction. I’ve no interest in the histrionics on the touch line.

I should of been specific here, his "winning mentality"

I think what you're referring to is his irrational/emotionally charged side. If so, I agree with this

Rumble de Thump

13-12-2021, 08:44 AM

The fact that we are even debating an interim appointment of Lennon - who left in such a damaged way - shows how ill conceived the exit of Ross was at this time. I liked Lennon, and he certainly could do a job - but it is a ridiculous state for us to be in.

We've sacked a head coach and will now bring in a new one. It's not really ridiculous. We could debate Colin Calderwood coming back. It wouldn't make the sacking of Jack Ross any better or worse.

SlickShoes

13-12-2021, 08:48 AM

The perfect time!! Unless someone comes in this week it couldn’t be worse timing. The game on Sunday isn’t a run of the mill league game, it’s a cup final against a team with a large injury list. I don’t agree with the fans who wanted Ross out, but I understand why, but I can’t agree that the timing was good because it isn’t. We’re only 3 weeks away from the new year derby, will fans still be as chilled about the timing if we’ve not got a manager or just appointed one by then?

Is the Celtic injury list another way to beat hibs with a stick if/when we lose? We can see people roll out the "never had a better chance to turn them over" "weakest celtic I've seen in my lifetime" nonsense that usually happens. Look at our own squad, it's a shambles. This is a cup final against a good team that are light years ahead of where we currently are, all we can hope is the players can raise there game like they did in the semi.

Steve88

13-12-2021, 08:49 AM

We've sacked a head coach and will now bring in a new one. It's not really ridiculous. We could debate Colin Calderwood coming back. It wouldn't make the sacking of Jack Ross any better or worse.

Agreed on this. Lennon is so divisive as a potential coach because of win % at Hibs - If it was garbage, it wouldn't be a topic of conversation..

bigwheel

13-12-2021, 08:50 AM

We've sacked a head coach and will now bring in a new one. It's not really ridiculous. We could debate Colin Calderwood coming back. It wouldn't make the sacking of Jack Ross any better or worse.

If our club is genuinely considering bringing in a manger who left a) in such bad circumstances and b) ended with a run of results which were about as poor as Ross got sacked for .. then that is far from a smart response from our club

If you view that as a normal reaction from our football club , then fair enough - for me, it would show real lack of thought and planning from the owners of our club.

MWHIBBIES

13-12-2021, 08:52 AM

davhibby

13-12-2021, 08:56 AM

I should of been specific here, his "winning mentality"

I think what you're referring to is his irrational/emotionally charged side. If so, I agree with this

His winning mentality worked out well for Celtic last season…

cabbageandribs1875

13-12-2021, 09:02 AM

JimBHibees

13-12-2021, 09:08 AM

i'm not getting too excited if sellick have a couple of first team players out, we couldn't beat their 2nd string at parkhead last season with KN grabbing an equaliser right at the end, i think even Ross co won at parkhead, and Livingston,or was that a draw

Ross county beat Celtic at Parkhead in the league cup last season. Livingston drew with them at Parkhead this season as did Dundee united. They have a very good squad however key forward players out would help us but no doubt they would still be favourites to beat us. Motherwell gave them a tough game yesterday and imo we should be able to do the same in a one off match irrespective of our recent form.

Coco Bryce

13-12-2021, 09:08 AM

Remember at the Hanlon/Stevenson night a while back they both said Lennon was the best manager they had ever played under.

The Modfather

13-12-2021, 09:09 AM

Share this sentiment. There's a generalisation associated with Lennon and it's a populist viewpoint to bash him

If Lennon has recognised and worked on his faults (his ego) and is able to now people manage individual players in the modern era (as opposed to taking the roy keane approach) he could be a top coach.

Lennon's mentality was exactly what every Hibs fan wanted, and wants now - His downfall being the above which split the dressing room, resulting in players downing tools...

The other side of the populist view is the “born winner” or “winning mentality” stuff, which I don’t think there’s any real evidence of.

We were comfortably promoted and he deserves credit for that as you can only beat what’s in front of you. However I think we stood still from the previous season and won the league because of who wasn’t in it, finishing a point better off than the previous season would probably back that up.

His second season was fine up until xmas, no more no less. The second half possibly my most enjoyable period watching Hibs and I’d swap that seasons 4th for last seasons 3rd every time.

The less said about his 3rd season the better.

I think talking about the club matching his ambitions, or going mental after a defeat is the easy bit. Talk is cheap. I remember many games, the Aberdeen semi for example & McGeough at left midfield, where he got it wrong. I’ll credit him with an ability to see when it wasn’t working and make the changes needed. However often it would end up in glorious failure as we left ourselves too much to do. Levein had his number at Tynecastle and Lennon seemed to get caught up in his ego of beating Levein at his own agricultural brand of football rather than the best way to win the game. A promotion that was hard to mess up, 4th place and then sacked. Overall more good than bad, and one of my favourite seasons, but Lennon didn’t deliver anything previous managers have delivered before.

lord bunberry

13-12-2021, 09:11 AM

Is the Celtic injury list another way to beat hibs with a stick if/when we lose? We can see people roll out the "never had a better chance to turn them over" "weakest celtic I've seen in my lifetime" nonsense that usually happens. Look at our own squad, it's a shambles. This is a cup final against a good team that are light years ahead of where we currently are, all we can hope is the players can raise there game like they did in the semi.
I certainly won’t be using it as a stick to beat the club with, I’m using it as a positive going into the game.

Steve88

13-12-2021, 09:11 AM

If our club is genuinely considering bringing in a manger who left a) in such bad circumstances and b) ended with a run of results which were about as poor as Ross got sacked for .. then that is far from a smart response from our club

If you view that as a normal reaction from our football club , then fair enough - for me, it would show real lack of thought and planning from the owners of our club.

I wouldn't agree with this. That's far too simplistic a viewpoint of it.

Everyone in life throughout their career messes up but it's how an individual responds (learns from their past failing) is what makes them a better/more experienced person in their area of expertise going forward. Past failing builds personal character.

David Moyes 2017-2018 win % at west ham was 29%. Currently he sits at 47% (Yes, the fundamentals of his return are different but a return isn't always a negative..)

If Hibs decided to hire Lennon back they would really have to press him, challenge him on who he was vs who he is today.

If I'm RG and I'm getting the same NL who we got rid of, I'm not going to be interested.

But, If I'm RG and I'm seeing a more mature person, someone that has dropped his ego, taken responsibility and self accountability for his failings; A manager who secured a record points total for my club, a manager that played an attractive style of football which appealed to the fans, which in turn will likely result in increased ticket sales and revenue for my club, then yes, I'd be interested..

ahibby

13-12-2021, 09:12 AM

The perfect time!! Unless someone comes in this week it couldn’t be worse timing. The game on Sunday isn’t a run of the mill league game, it’s a cup final against a team with a large injury list. I don’t agree with the fans who wanted Ross out, but I understand why, but I can’t agree that the timing was good because it isn’t. We’re only 3 weeks away from the new year derby, will fans still be as chilled about the timing if we’ve not got a manager or just appointed one by then?

I don't think a new coach by 3rd of January is going to make a huge difference to the derby. It's been said those games take care of themselves, all the players have played in them and they know the score. Also David Gray and Eddie Mae will know more about those matches than any new coach coming in. JRs made pretty much a mess of this first half season, really the last quarter to be fair. The second half of the season after the break is where we must turn it around consistently, we will stutter and splut until the window and injured players return.

cabbageandribs1875

13-12-2021, 09:13 AM

Ross county beat Celtic at Parkhead in the league cup last season. Livingston drew with them at Parkhead this season as did Dundee united. They have a very good squad however key forward players out would help us but no doubt they would still be favourites to beat us. Motherwell gave them a tough game yesterday and imo we should be able to do the same in a one off match irrespective of our recent form.

a repeat performance of the SF would be rather magical :flag:

ahibby

13-12-2021, 09:14 AM

I wouldn't agree with this. That's far too simplistic a viewpoint of it.

Everyone in life throughout their career messes up but it's how an individual responds (learns from their past failing) is what makes them a better/more experienced person in their area of expertise going forward. Past failing builds personal character.

David Moyes 2017-2018 win % at west ham was 29%. Currently he sits at 47% (Yes, the fundamentals of his return are different but a return isn't always a negative..)

If Hibs decided to hire Lennon back they would really have to press him, challenge him on who he was vs who he is today.

If I'm RG and I'm getting the same NL who we got rid of, I'm not going to be interested.

But, If I'm RG and I'm seeing a more mature person, someone that has dropped his ego, taken responsibility and self accountability for his failings; A manager who secured a record points total for my club, a manager that played an attractive style of football which appealed to the fans, which in turn will likely result in increased ticket sales and revenue for my club, then yes, I'd be interested..

It's interesting that NL managed/coached under STF and RP. I wonder if he'd be a different person under the Ron Gordon regime.

JimBHibees

13-12-2021, 09:16 AM

I wouldn't agree with this. That's far too simplistic a viewpoint of it.

Everyone in life throughout their career messes up but it's how an individual responds (learns from their past failing) is what makes them a better/more experienced person in their area of expertise going forward. Past failing builds personal character.

David Moyes 2017-2018 win % at west ham was 29%. Currently he sits at 47% (Yes, the fundamentals of his return are different but a return isn't always a negative..)

If Hibs decided to hire Lennon back they would really have to press him, challenge him on who he was vs who he is today.

If I'm RG and I'm getting the same NL who we got rid of, I'm not going to be interested.

But, If I'm RG and I'm seeing a more mature person, someone that has dropped his ego, taken responsibility and self accountability for his failings; A manager who secured a record points total for my club, a manager that played an attractive style of football which appealed to the fans, which in turn will likely result in increased ticket sales and revenue for my club, then yes, I'd be interested..

The only thing we do know is that the job he then went to was pretty much an unmitigated disaster after leaving us in terrible circumstances. On that basis seems like a great candidate. :greengrin

Callum_62

13-12-2021, 09:16 AM

lord bunberry

13-12-2021, 09:17 AM

I don't think a new coach by 3rd of January is going to make a huge difference to the derby. It's been said those games take care of themselves, all the players have played in them and they know the score. Also David Gray and Eddie Mae will know more about those matches than any new coach coming in. JRs made pretty much a mess of this first half season, really the last quarter to be fair. The second half of the season after the break is where we must turn it around consistently, we will stutter and splut until the window and injured players return.
Going into the derby with no manager after stuttering along through this busy period would be as good as surrendering that game imo. If there’s no manager brought in this week I can’t see one being in place before the break due to it being Christmas.

JimBHibees

13-12-2021, 09:17 AM

a repeat performance of the SF would be rather magical :flag:

Certainly would be and don't see why we can't do so.

Steve88

13-12-2021, 09:25 AM

His winning mentality worked out well for Celtic last season…

You're choosing one failed league campaign to make a generalisation.

Lennon as Celtic manager.
5 Tittle wins
4 Scottish cup
2 League cups

Champions League (ignoring anything below group qualification):
Last 16 in 12/13
Group stage 13/14

Others seasons were EUROPA Group and/or last 32 for EUROPA

h185forever

13-12-2021, 09:25 AM

Dear Santa

I’ve been a good boy this year, so I’m hoping that I can get the following, today if possible.

A new head coach/manager for Hibs that will have a magic wand as I think he might need one
if he doesn’t have a wand please don’t do a Tesco on us and substitute a “fannae” type with a hat !!

He needs to be able to sort out quickly the multitude of problems that the current squad have/display.
Please ask him to ignore the fans as they can’t agree on the problems never mind the solutions.

I’d like him to bring a wee bit of style to the play, along with some much needed additional players.

Someone with a reasonably long shelf life would be a bonus, assuming he can deliver on the points above.

if you can manage this I promise to leave a double helping of whisky and carrots out for you and Rudolph on Xmas eve.

ian cruise

13-12-2021, 09:32 AM

Folk who don’t agree with it are questioning it.

I wasn’t even one that was strongly calling for his head (although I thought after Wednesday it was inevitable) but I can’t understand why anyone would be confused by it. The run of results is one that any manager will be in trouble with (especially with the manner of performance at Livingston). I get that folk might still disagree with it but surely they can’t be confused as to why it happened?

I liked Ross, I'm not confused that it happened, more so a little disappointed as I thought he could turn it around though the last two games definitely were making that look less likely. The main reason I'm disappointed is down to the "who next?" question. The list of potential candidates is uninspiring to me and there are some names such as McInnes that people spent seasons berating their football and now seems to be our great hope.

I don't really have anything against McInnes but he's no better than Jack Ross in my eyes and we need to do something different to try bring the support together, we seem to be massively fractured right now. I don't read other forums so not sure if all the team's supports are the same or if this is just a Hibs thing due to everything since 2016 (I don't really care about other teams, I went on a couple of others a wee while back and it was a horrible experience)

Like most people on here, whoever comes in will get my support, I support Hibs not the manager, I just fear we're going to end up like Hibs pre-Stubbs.

Rumble de Thump

13-12-2021, 09:39 AM

Steve88

13-12-2021, 09:40 AM

The other side of the populist view is the “born winner” or “winning mentality” stuff, which I don’t think there’s any real evidence of.

We were comfortably promoted and he deserves credit for that as you can only beat what’s in front of you. However I think we stood still from the previous season and won the league because of who wasn’t in it, finishing a point better off than the previous season would probably back that up.

His second season was fine up until xmas, no more no less. The second half possibly my most enjoyable period watching Hibs and I’d swap that seasons 4th for last seasons 3rd every time.

The less said about his 3rd season the better.

I think talking about the club matching his ambitions, or going mental after a defeat is the easy bit. Talk is cheap. I remember many games, the Aberdeen semi for example & McGeough at left midfield, where he got it wrong. I’ll credit him with an ability to see when it wasn’t working and make the changes needed. However often it would end up in glorious failure as we left ourselves too much to do. Levein had his number at Tynecastle and Lennon seemed to get caught up in his ego of beating Levein at his own agricultural brand of football rather than the best way to win the game. A promotion that was hard to mess up, 4th place and then sacked. Overall more good than bad, and one of my favourite seasons, but Lennon didn’t deliver anything previous managers have delivered before.

That is an other generalisation, one which I would probabaly use myself but I base that on what he's won/achieved as a player and manager;

Celtic Player (manager posted elsewhere on this thread - various other achievements at other clubs ):
5 titles
4 Scottish Cups
2 League Cups
1 EUROPA Runner up

Your post mirrors my memories of his tenure at Hibs, especially the 3rd season..!!:agree:

Pagan Hibernia

13-12-2021, 09:51 AM

The other side of the populist view is the “born winner” or “winning mentality” stuff, which I don’t think there’s any real evidence of.

We were comfortably promoted and he deserves credit for that as you can only beat what’s in front of you. However I think we stood still from the previous season and won the league because of who wasn’t in it, finishing a point better off than the previous season would probably back that up.

His second season was fine up until xmas, no more no less. The second half possibly my most enjoyable period watching Hibs and I’d swap that seasons 4th for last seasons 3rd every time.

The less said about his 3rd season the better.

I think talking about the club matching his ambitions, or going mental after a defeat is the easy bit. Talk is cheap. I remember many games, the Aberdeen semi for example & McGeough at left midfield, where he got it wrong. I’ll credit him with an ability to see when it wasn’t working and make the changes needed. However often it would end up in glorious failure as we left ourselves too much to do. Levein had his number at Tynecastle and Lennon seemed to get caught up in his ego of beating Levein at his own agricultural brand of football rather than the best way to win the game. A promotion that was hard to mess up, 4th place and then sacked. Overall more good than bad, and one of my favourite seasons, but Lennon didn’t deliver anything previous managers have delivered before.

did he?

Dec 17- we were robbed of a deserved victory by a crap linesman (oil shaw goal). They certainly never looked like beating us
Jan 18- a tight cup game but very little between us, they had a couple of chances, and so did we (boyle fluffed a great chance in the first half). Only a horrible scuffed goal from a corner in the last few minutes beat us.
May 18- aye, Lennon got it wrong in this one no doubt. Bad lineup, bad formations. We still only lost because of a couple of defensive lapses.
Oct 18- just a horrible toxic night. They were no better than us. We did well to hold out after Kamberi’s red card

not a great record at tynecastle but Levein gets little credit from me for that.

cloudy

13-12-2021, 09:52 AM

Malky Mackay anyone

Danderhall Hibs

13-12-2021, 09:54 AM

did he?

Dec 17- we were robbed of a deserved victory by a crap linesman (oil shaw goal). They certainly never looked like beating us
Jan 18- a tight cup game but very little between us, they had a couple of chances, and so did we (boyle fluffed a great chance in the first half). Only a horrible scuffed goal from a corner in the last few minutes beat us.
May 18- aye, Lennon got it wrong in this one no doubt. Bad lineup, bad formations. We still only lost because of a couple of defensive lapses.
Oct 18- just a horrible toxic night. They were no better than us. We did well to hold out after Kamberi’s red card

not a great record at tynecastle but Levein gets little credit from me for that.

So did he not win any games at Tiny?

Pagan Hibernia

13-12-2021, 09:58 AM

So did he not win any games at Tiny?

no he was robbed of a victory there by a scandalous decision.

I’m ambivalent overall towards Lennon. I’m not sure looking back is the way forward for Hibs.

Steven79

13-12-2021, 09:59 AM

So did he not win any games at Tiny?

Nope he didn't.

First game we won at Tynecastle for a while was the Horgan double under Heckingbottom.

But as has been said before we should have won when the Shaw goal was ruled out despite the ball being over the line.

easty

13-12-2021, 10:00 AM

There was someone on here or the PM who said the sacking call came directly from RG and we literally had no plan or target in mind

If this carries on then he was probably right

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The plan was - to remove a manager who wasn't doing a good job.

When do you keep someone in a job, who's not doing well, just because nobody else is lined up?

Danderhall Hibs

13-12-2021, 10:00 AM

no he was robbed of a victory there by a scandalous decision.

I’m ambivalent overall towards Lennon. I’m not sure looking back is the way forward for Hibs.

I didn’t think he had. My memories of going to Tiny with him were a change of formation and players to get the biggest guys in and aim for a draw.

Danderhall Hibs

13-12-2021, 10:01 AM

The plan was - to remove a manager who wasn't doing a good job.

When do you keep someone in a job, who's not doing well, just because nobody else is lined up?

In football or general life?

badabing67

13-12-2021, 10:02 AM

His winning mentality worked out well for Celtic last season…

Are you serious. I think the problem at Celtic last season was not Lennon. The problem was Celtic. Brenda seen it coming and walked. Lennon couldn't bring in his own staff, couldn't get rid of players that didn't want to be there, and still won things at Celtic in his 2nd period. He did keep Rodger's winning run going as long as he could under the circumstance. Personally I don't think anyone was going to bring the 10 in row back there last season. It was the Celtic board that blew that not Lennon.

cabbageandribs1875

13-12-2021, 10:05 AM

did he?

Dec 17- we were robbed of a deserved victory by a crap linesman (oil shaw goal). They certainly never looked like beating us

not a great record at tynecastle but Levein gets little credit from me for that.

a total diddy

Jones28

13-12-2021, 10:06 AM

Malky Mackay anyone

I'd rather Neil Lennon than that prick.

easty

13-12-2021, 10:06 AM

In football or general life?

In football.

If Ron Gordon has lost faith in Jack Ross' ability to get results, based on dog **** form and crap performances...then why would he hold off from sacking him until he'd found someone else. That doesn't make sense.

MKHIBEE

13-12-2021, 10:09 AM

Sky have just reported that Robbie Fowler is interested in the Hibs job. Not for me.

Hibs90

13-12-2021, 10:11 AM

Get this Lennon chat in the bin. People have short memories, we were on a serious downward trajectory when he left, then we had the Hecky disaster and Ross came in and steadied the ship. The next appointment has to be with a view of progression in mind and not a footballing dinosaur who throws his toys out the pram at every opportunity.

pacoluna

13-12-2021, 10:11 AM

Bring NL back and since 1875 back and get ER rocking again.

Steven79

13-12-2021, 10:12 AM

Bring NL back and 1875 back and get ER rocking again.

What about Kamberi?

AgentDaleCooper

13-12-2021, 10:13 AM

Neil Lennon was one of the best managers at hibs in my lifetime - probably 3rd behind Mowbray and McLeish. When things come together for Lennon, his sides are fantastic to watch, aggressive and exciting. We also saw what happens when the wheels come off, however, and that wasn't pretty.

Obviously Stubbs is a legend, a great and all of that - but that doesn't really make him one of the best. Sproule is a legend, but i wouldn't really call him one of our best players in the last few decades.

I don't think i'd be hugely enthused if he came back to Hibs, but that certainly doesn't mean to say he wasn't good for us, or isn't a good manager. I'd much rather Lennon, than say, McLeish. Mowbray would be a different class, but that's not going to happen...(though i doubt he would be the one to sort out our defence - that was always his weakness, as well as being incapable of signing a decent goal keeper).

PatHead

13-12-2021, 10:16 AM

Wonder if the timing has anything to do with the US season ending and he has eyes on someone from there.

Edinburgh Green

13-12-2021, 10:17 AM

we went into the last 2 games of the season knowing 2 wins would guarantee second place.

how many times have Hibs finished in the top 2 since 1875. it's not many

We didn't finish 2nd though, we finished 4th.
Also good to bear in mind that the rangers team that finished ahead of us had a midfield of Goss, Holt and Rossiter

eastmainsmsh

13-12-2021, 10:18 AM

After watching Ronnie Delias antics if he is a candidate get John Collins in to get Ronnie a 6 pack

FilipinoHibs

13-12-2021, 10:19 AM

There was someone on here or the PM who said the sacking call came directly from RG and we literally had no plan or target in mind

If this carries on then he was probably right

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There will be a succession plan, that's how business's are run nowadays. Coaching staff quickly moved into cover. Out of work managers identified: Neil, Mcinnes, Lennon and the Swiss Raphael. All will have been sounded out with an order of preference established.

Coco Bryce

13-12-2021, 10:22 AM

Wonder if the timing has anything to do with the US season ending and he has eyes on someone from there.

I thought this as well?

brog

13-12-2021, 10:23 AM

You're choosing one failed league campaign to make a generalisation.

Lennon as Celtic manager.
5 Tittle wins
4 Scottish cup
2 League cups

Champions League (ignoring anything below group qualification):
Last 16 in 12/13
Group stage 13/14

Others seasons were EUROPA Group and/or last 32 for EUROPA

IIRC Ronny Deila's trophy stats were pretty much identical to NL's. Both of them benefitted from The Rangers being in the lower leagues for 2 seasons during their tenures.

Billy Whizz

13-12-2021, 10:24 AM

Wonder if the timing has anything to do with the US season ending and he has eyes on someone from there.

https://celtic.vitalfootball.co.uk/i-wouldnt-rule-out-that-happening-journalist-incredibly-tips-former-celtic-manager-to-return-to-scotland-its-not-neil-lennon/

I saw this yesterday, Friel writes for the Scottish Sun, who usually are 1st with info

worcesterhibby

13-12-2021, 10:24 AM

Not lennon< not lennon< not lennon< not lennon

KanyeWestLower

13-12-2021, 10:28 AM

https://celtic.vitalfootball.co.uk/i-wouldnt-rule-out-that-happening-journalist-incredibly-tips-former-celtic-manager-to-return-to-scotland-its-not-neil-lennon/

I saw this yesterday, Friel writes for the Scottish Sun, who usually are 1st with info

I’d be all over that btw. Assumed he will have better options by now, has an impressive cv.

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HibsGW

13-12-2021, 10:29 AM

Ronny Deila would be a great appointment, I’d be pretty excited with that.

Since452

13-12-2021, 10:29 AM

we went into the last 2 games of the season knowing 2 wins would guarantee second place.

how many times have Hibs finished in the top 2 since 1875. it's not many

But we didn't. We bottled both of those games and then threw away a 3 goal lead against Rangers and finished fourth then the following season was a car crash.

Since90+2

13-12-2021, 10:29 AM

Ronnie Deila must surely be on massive wages at New York compared to what we'd pay? I'm not sure he's good enough for us to be paying astronomical wages to.

worcesterhibby

13-12-2021, 10:31 AM

Ronny Deila would be a great appointment, I’d be pretty excited with that.

Me too, but the guy signed a 3 year deal in January 2020, so he wouldn't be cheap. Ron would have to be spending big time I think.

cad

13-12-2021, 10:32 AM

Sky have just reported that Robbie Fowler is interested in the Hibs job. Not for me.

looking at the runners and riders from The Herald cant see Robbie getting the gig looking at whats available is even more depressing I`d take 14 out that list for starters

Alex Neil 5/4
Callum Davidson, David Gray, Derek McInnes 5/1
Jim Goodwin 8/1
Alan Stubbs, Neil Lennon, Paul Lambert, Steve Kean 12/1
Ian Murray, Kevin Thomson 14/1
Gordon Strachan, James McPake, Scott Brown, Shuan Maloney 16/1
Neil Warnock, Sol Campbell, Steve Bruce 20/1

Billy Whizz

13-12-2021, 10:32 AM

Ronnie Deila must surely be on massive wages at New York compared to what we'd pay? I'm not sure he's good enough for us to be paying astronomical wages to.

Are they not part of the Man City Group?

Since452

13-12-2021, 10:32 AM

Ronny Deila would be a great appointment, I’d be pretty excited with that.

That would certainly be interesting.

Since452

13-12-2021, 10:33 AM

looking at the runners and riders from The Herald cant see Robbie getting the gig looking at whats available is even more depressing

Alex Neil 5/4
Callum Davidson, David Gray, Derek McInnes 5/1
Jim Goodwin 8/1
Alan Stubbs, Neil Lennon, Paul Lambert, Steve Kean 12/1
Ian Murray, Kevin Thomson 14/1
Gordon Strachan, James McPake, Scott Brown, Shuan Maloney 16/1
Neil Warnock, Sol Campbell, Steve Bruce 20/1

Dearie me that is a grim list

ShadesLongThrow

13-12-2021, 10:48 AM

looking at the runners and riders from The Herald cant see Robbie getting the gig looking at whats available is even more depressing I`d take 14 out that list for starters

Alex Neil 5/4
Callum Davidson, David Gray, Derek McInnes 5/1
Jim Goodwin 8/1
Alan Stubbs, Neil Lennon, Paul Lambert, Steve Kean 12/1
Ian Murray, Kevin Thomson 14/1
Gordon Strachan, James McPake, Scott Brown, Shuan Maloney 16/1
Neil Warnock, Sol Campbell, Steve Bruce 20/1

That's just lazy west coast journalism. A list of the usual suspects plus 3 wildcards at the end who are in there I suspect because a) they're currently out of a job and b) they were quoted as being interested in playing for Celtic, have publicly said they might be interested in managing in Scotland against the Old Firm or managed a team that's close to Scotland!

I'd be gutted if any on that list were appointed and I'd like to think Ron has someone better in mind.

thebausburst

13-12-2021, 10:48 AM

Dearie me that is a grim list

Alex Neil is clear favourite, just like Ross was last time and I expect the same outcome just a matter of when its done.

easty

13-12-2021, 10:51 AM

That's just lazy west coast journalism. A list of the usual suspects plus 3 wildcards at the end who are in there I suspect because a) they're currently out of a job and b) they were quoted as being interested in playing for Celtic, have publicly said they might be interested in managing in Scotland against the Old Firm or managed a team that's close to Scotland!

I'd be gutted if any on that list were appointed and I'd like to think Ron has someone better in mind.

They've took it from the bookies.

WhileTheChief..

13-12-2021, 10:57 AM

Lennon also inherited John McGinn. He got lucky in that regard that the best player we've had in the last decade was already at the club when he arrived.

It's no coincidence that things started to go pear shaped for Lennon shortly after McGinn left.

The summer that McGinn left, we were all expecting some decent signings in. I'm sure Lennon was too.

We failed miserably. Just like this summer.

He also never engineered his move to Celtic. LD mutually consented him or he would never have left.

LD got an easy ride with us. She caused a lot of the problems after initially being really good for the club.

MWHIBBIES

13-12-2021, 10:59 AM

Ronny Deila would be a great appointment, I’d be pretty excited with that.

Utter weirdo stripping off when his teams win things, no thanks.

Since90+2

13-12-2021, 11:07 AM

The summer that McGinn left, we were all expecting some decent signings in. I'm sure Lennon was too.

We failed miserably. Just like this summer.

He also never engineered his move to Celtic. LD mutually consented him or he would never have left.

LD got an easy ride with us. She caused a lot of the problems after initially being really good for the club.

Lennon was acting like a child not showing up for training or attending press conferences/ after match interviews.

It doesn't really matter if he and LD had a fractious relationship. He should have still been managing the team and turning up to do his job.

K-Zazu

13-12-2021, 11:08 AM

Ronny Deila would be a great appointment, I’d be pretty excited with that.

Why?

Danderhall Hibs

13-12-2021, 11:15 AM

In football.

If Ron Gordon has lost faith in Jack Ross' ability to get results, based on dog **** form and crap performances...then why would he hold off from sacking him until he'd found someone else. That doesn't make sense.

He wouldn’t have lost faith overnight would he? It’s generally a gradual process which gives time to consider next steps.

easty

13-12-2021, 11:17 AM

He wouldn’t have lost faith overnight would he? It’s generally a gradual process which gives time to consider next steps.

No, but it wasn't overnight, we've been ***** for quite a while. Livi was obviously the straw that broke the camels back. Ron Gordon probably thought the same as a lot of us did, Jack Ross did a really good job last season, he'll pick things back up...but then Livingston was absolutely pathetic.

HFC93

13-12-2021, 11:25 AM

Why on earth would Ronny Deila’s next move after winning the MLS with New York City be Easter Road? Makes no sense at all.

GreenCastle

13-12-2021, 11:26 AM

Ronnie Deila must surely be on massive wages at New York compared to what we'd pay? I'm not sure he's good enough for us to be paying astronomical wages to.

You can google MLS player salaries pretty quickly but the coaches are harder to find.

https://authoritysoccer.com/mls-coaches-salary-by-teams-in-2021/

This guesses at around $500,000 a year but could be way off.

Said it a few times but can't see Deila coming to Scotland from winning the MLS - especially in the position we are currently in. His contract is with NYCFC till 2023 I think but wouldn't be surprised if he moves back to Europe - but not Hibs.

lord bunberry

13-12-2021, 11:26 AM

No, but it wasn't overnight, we've been ***** for quite a while. Livi was obviously the straw that broke the camels back. Ron Gordon probably thought the same as a lot of us did, Jack Ross did a really good job last season, he'll pick things back up...but then Livingston was absolutely pathetic.
You don’t sack a manager if it’s going to make things worse though. Our form was terrible but there were signs we were picking up a bit. Obviously Livingston was terrible but it’s not the first time we’ve been shocking through there. He should’ve let Ross continue while we found a suitable replacement as that’s the least worst option. For all we know maybe there is someone lined up and they’ll be announced this week and this whole discussion will be pointless, I’m not holding my breath though.

Unseen work

13-12-2021, 11:28 AM

Would be chuffed with Deila and think he would be a very good fit for us.

Unfortunately can’t see it happening. Money would be an issue for one.

Brightside

13-12-2021, 11:30 AM

Why on earth would Ronny Deila’s next move after winning the MLS with New York City be Easter Road? Makes no sense at all.

My thoughts exactly. I'll chuck NYC and prob north of 200k a year so i can take of Cove Rangers on a wet thursday night at easter rd.

HFC 0-7

13-12-2021, 11:31 AM

Robbie Fowler is interested according to SSN.

Danderhall Hibs

13-12-2021, 11:35 AM

GreenCastle

13-12-2021, 11:35 AM

Robbie Fowler is interested according to SSN.

15% win percentage with his last club East Bengal according to Wiki

Can't see that happening.

GloryGlory

13-12-2021, 11:37 AM

Robbie Fowler is interested according to SSN.

As long as Hibs aren't I'm OK.

Gordy M

13-12-2021, 11:39 AM

Would be chuffed with Deila and think he would be a very good fit for us.

Unfortunately can’t see it happening. Money would be an issue for one.

Out of interest, how much are the MLS coaches on? Any idea? I had a look at players salaries, they range from less than Hibs right the way up to old firm wages. Couldnt see anything about the managers though?

Keith_M

13-12-2021, 11:45 AM

Robbie Fowler is interested according to SSN.

Rather have Martin Fowler

Unseen work

13-12-2021, 12:06 PM

Out of interest, how much are the MLS coaches on? Any idea? I had a look at players salaries, they range from less than Hibs right the way up to old firm wages. Couldnt see anything about the managers though?

Honestly no idea mate, just an assumption due to the team he’s managing and I can imagine them just throwing money about!

easty

13-12-2021, 12:14 PM

You don’t sack a manager if it’s going to make things worse though. Our form was terrible but there were signs we were picking up a bit. Obviously Livingston was terrible but it’s not the first time we’ve been shocking through there. He should’ve let Ross continue while we found a suitable replacement as that’s the least worst option. For all we know maybe there is someone lined up and they’ll be announced this week and this whole discussion will be pointless, I’m not holding my breath though.

I'm maybe in the minority, but I'd rather the owner supported the manager up until the point he thinks he can't support him anymore. I don't want the owner/board sounding out or looking for new managers while we have one. I think that's a ****ty was to run things.

BS44

13-12-2021, 12:15 PM

BegbieHSC

13-12-2021, 12:18 PM

Robbie Fowler is interested according to SSN.

So am I.

If he thinks he’s capable, I may as well stick in an application too.

worcesterhibby

13-12-2021, 12:25 PM

Ok here's a few names from me..to add to the mix...all are quoted in the betting for the Ipswich Job..so I see no reason they couldn't be considered at Hibs.

John O'shea
Chris Coleman
Michael Carrick
Nigel Adkins
Sol Campbell
Ian Holloway
Neil Harris
Chris Hughton

For some reason I would love to see Ian Holloway at the club...at least it would be interesting and fun !

easty

13-12-2021, 12:32 PM

SMAXXA

13-12-2021, 12:33 PM

If Neil Lennon didn’t have the passion I’d doubt anyone would want him as out manager. Look at the last season in charge, look at his constant episodes for one reason or another, look at how badly he done in his last job it’s mental. I like Lennon one of my favourite managers at Hibs but for me I don’t want him back he had his time we need to look for something fresh. And I’m also convinced he worked his ticket to leave Hibs as knee the Celtic job was coming up through his mate Rodgers

easty

13-12-2021, 12:33 PM

I think you've got to have x-ray spex to see that we're now in a better place to win a trophy than we were in on Thursday night.

I don't understand this.

Are you saying we are, or we're not, in a better place?

high bee

13-12-2021, 12:35 PM

I liked Ross, I'm not confused that it happened, more so a little disappointed as I thought he could turn it around though the last two games definitely were making that look less likely. The main reason I'm disappointed is down to the "who next?" question. The list of potential candidates is uninspiring to me and there are some names such as McInnes that people spent seasons berating their football and now seems to be our great hope.

I don't really have anything against McInnes but he's no better than Jack Ross in my eyes and we need to do something different to try bring the support together, we seem to be massively fractured right now. I don't read other forums so not sure if all the team's supports are the same or if this is just a Hibs thing due to everything since 2016 (I don't really care about other teams, I went on a couple of others a wee while back and it was a horrible experience)

Like most people on here, whoever comes in will get my support, I support Hibs not the manager, I just fear we're going to end up like Hibs pre-Stubbs.

In your last paragraph, I do agree that it’s uncertain where we go from here. Especially given the feeling of being in safe custody with STF and LD.

I didn’t want Jack Ross to be sacked but the only thing I would say is I’m encourage because my gut feeling is that RG and BK have a totally different mindset to our fan base. I think they view the top end of the table as where we should always be and they probably aren’t even thinking about a possible relegation battle, more likely they’re annoyed at being bottom six and thinking about how we can get back into european slots.

Provided that is backed by investment in the team and a settled back room structure now they’ve got their own guys in them I will be happy.

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BS44

13-12-2021, 12:35 PM

I don't understand this.

Are you saying we are, or we're not, in a better place?

Most definitely are not. Sacking a manager ten days before a cup final is most certainly up there in the Ludicrous Hibs Decisions Hall of Blame and Shame.

worcesterhibby

13-12-2021, 12:36 PM

How about Dickie Lukkien or Ruud Brood...both doing very well in the Dutch Div2 and both play attractive, forward thinking football and both speak good English.

Scorrie

13-12-2021, 12:39 PM

How about Dickie Lukkien or Ruud Brood...both doing very well in the Dutch Div2 and both play attractive, forward thinking football and both speak good English.

They sound like porn stars

Weegreenman

13-12-2021, 12:43 PM

Lennon brings the 🔥🔥🔥

I don’t care what anyone says, never a dull moment with him at the healm

SlickShoes

13-12-2021, 12:44 PM

You don’t sack a manager if it’s going to make things worse though. Our form was terrible but there were signs we were picking up a bit. Obviously Livingston was terrible but it’s not the first time we’ve been shocking through there. He should’ve let Ross continue while we found a suitable replacement as that’s the least worst option. For all we know maybe there is someone lined up and they’ll be announced this week and this whole discussion will be pointless, I’m not holding my breath though.
What were the signs we were improving? The semi final seems like an anomaly, and the subsequent games were all pretty terrible, we did ok against Motherwell but still ended up not winning, which sort of sums it up, then the game against livi was relegation material from the players.

MWHIBBIES

13-12-2021, 12:46 PM

Lennon brings the ��

I don’t care what anyone says, never a dull moment with him at the healm

25364

I can see a few dull moments

Tiny photo link instead - https://gyazo.com/3b9171fa33e29ba0024dcd6c03f7eaef

HendoDelivered

13-12-2021, 12:47 PM

https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hibs/hibs-manager-latest-ben-kensell-to-update-fans-lennon-open-to-talks-mcinnes-in-frame-fowler-wants-job-3492644?fbclid=IwAR0sKVlEEPKw_xUAKpT4SK0k_fmmYnstc HqyHr8WQIZFTGbRPS6HfLAdTmI

Talks with DM this week?

Greencore

13-12-2021, 12:48 PM

25364

I can see a few dull moments

I can't see the pic 😂😁

MWHIBBIES

13-12-2021, 12:50 PM

I can't see the pic 😂😁

Yeah, the forum is a bit 2003 for uploading pictures.

JeMeSouviens

13-12-2021, 12:53 PM

Yeah, the forum is a bit 2003 for uploading pictures.

How's that? Edit - not much better, oh well.

https://i.gyazo.com/3b9171fa33e29ba0024dcd6c03f7eaef.png

Why anyone would want NL after his stint in Glasgow being owned by rookie Slippy, beats me? :confused:

Rumble de Thump

13-12-2021, 12:54 PM

Most definitely are not. Sacking a manager ten days before a cup final is most certainly up there in the Ludicrous Hibs Decisions Hall of Blame and Shame.

Having seen how we performed in the last cup final, I'm looking forward to seeing how we do without Jack Ross in charge.

Rumble de Thump

13-12-2021, 12:55 PM

What were the signs we were improving? The semi final seems like an anomaly, and the subsequent games were all pretty terrible, we did ok against Motherwell but still ended up not winning, which sort of sums it up, then the game against livi was relegation material from the players.

In the end, Jack's downfall was that he could only win big games.

J-C

13-12-2021, 01:04 PM

Out of all the people mentioned, Deila, Neil and Maloney are the 3 that I like, Deila being my option.

JeMeSouviens

13-12-2021, 01:08 PM

Out of all the people mentioned, Deila, Neil and Maloney are the 3 that I like, Deila being my option.

He managed to almost turn a one horse race into a one horse+one sheep race. Not for me.

Callum_62

13-12-2021, 01:09 PM

He managed to almost turn a one horse race into a one horse+one sheep race. Not for me.Didn't they win the league by 15 points?

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easty

13-12-2021, 01:10 PM

Most definitely are not. Sacking a manager ten days before a cup final is most certainly up there in the Ludicrous Hibs Decisions Hall of Blame and Shame.

You get rid of a manager when you don't have any faith in him getting results. You don't decide you want to fire him, but hold off because there's a cup final. He's sacked because of the ***** results, leaving him in the job for the final would be ludicrous.

SteveHFC

13-12-2021, 01:10 PM

Steve88

13-12-2021, 01:11 PM

J-C

13-12-2021, 01:12 PM

Didn't they win the league by 15 points?

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17 points the 1st season and by 15 puts the 2nd

davhibby

13-12-2021, 01:14 PM

He managed to almost turn a one horse race into a one horse+one sheep race. Not for me.

He had to fight Lennon’s pals who were the senior pros at the club because they didn’t want to get fit and still managed to do pretty well overall. It was probably too big a job for him at that stage but he bedded in a lot of the team that was so good under Rodgers. I’d imagine he’s well out of our league now though

Billy Whizz

13-12-2021, 01:15 PM

badabing67

13-12-2021, 01:16 PM

So McInnes or Lennon it is unless Neil is still interested.

If it comes down to those 2 then its got to be Lennon surely

JeMeSouviens

13-12-2021, 01:16 PM

Didn't they win the league by 15 points?

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Yeah, the Sheepies eventually fell away, but he let it get quite close for a while after xmas. Only one league cup, no scottish cups and bottled their 2016 semi vs Sevco. Considering the budget advantage they had, uninspiring to say the least.

Iain G

13-12-2021, 01:18 PM

If it comes down to those 2 then its got to Lennon surely

Anyone But Lennon for me. That's a backwards move and will only bring disaster and upheaval long term.

davhibby

13-12-2021, 01:19 PM

If it comes down to those 2 then its got to be Lennon surely

If it’s either of them then we’ll be worse off than we were a week ago

Magpie

13-12-2021, 01:20 PM

I’ll be gobsmacked if we re-hire Lennon after the way he left and it being evident that a lot of supporters don’t like him.

JeMeSouviens

13-12-2021, 01:22 PM

Anyone But Lennon for me. That's a backwards move and will only bring disaster and upheaval long term.

:agree:

Much rather McInnes than Lennon back. Can't believe those are the options though. There must be some more interesting appointments out there? :confused: Surely Ron is scouring the mls as we speak ...

04Sauzee

13-12-2021, 01:22 PM

If it’s either of them then we’ll be worse off than we were a week ago

Don't think we would be , McInnes has a good win rate in the league .

The only concern is unfortunately he'd be up against it from the beginning as there is a large chunk of our support who just don't want him as our manager so not sure our attendances would increase immediately.

I'm not for him but I'm definitely not against him

hibsforeurope

13-12-2021, 01:23 PM

I’ll be gobsmacked if we re-hire Lennon after the way he left and it being evident that a lot of supporters don’t like him.

It's really hard to call, lost of supporters wanted Jack Ross to stay. I'd imagine the majority would be happy with Lennon Back, given the circumstances.

PolmontHibby

13-12-2021, 01:24 PM

I’ll be gobsmacked if we re-hire Lennon after the way he left and it being evident that a lot of supporters don’t like him.

I will be even more gobsmacked if we hire Kevin Thompson who is also mentioned in article.

Who writes such rubbish,

badabing67

13-12-2021, 01:24 PM

I’ll be gobsmacked if we re-hire Lennon after the way he left and it being evident that a lot of supporters don’t like him.

Its also apparent a lot of supporters do like Lennon. Maybe there should be a poll

bingo70

13-12-2021, 01:26 PM

Having the read the EN article with a source saying that RG is an admirer of NL + dwindling attendance was a reason for getting rid of JR, I'm bracing myself for NL in the dugout Sunday.

Football's a funny world :agree:

Dwindling attendances is something that seems to be getting missed by a lot of people in the media.

I don’t doubt that Ross would have stopped the slide we are on at some point but would he have done so to the extent people would start going again in big numbers? I don’t think so and clearly neither did Ron.