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bingo70
11-12-2021, 06:40 PM
Given the number of bookies accounts I have should not be an issue.......however has anyone seen an online bookie with next manager odds?
Struggling to find one.
McBookie is running one but they seem to close it at night times (and presumably weekends but not sure?)
jeffers
11-12-2021, 06:40 PM
My choice would be Alex Neil, he's an obvious choice to me.
If he didn't fancy it I think I would settle for Derek McInnes,
Don't particularly want him but I'm very wary we end up employing a random who is doomed to failure from the word go.
I think we would be safe with McInnes and he would at least steady the ship.
My mate heard today from a contact (no idea of their background in inside info) that Neil wasn’t interested but Lennon was. But Lennon himself seemed to think we’d approach McInnes. Of the names mentioned he’s who I’d go for, but the football would need to be better. I’ve a mate who is Sheep fan and he says McInnes wasn’t always the same as his most reason seasons and it’s sort of what I remember too.
Benny Brazil
11-12-2021, 06:43 PM
Ah heard Benny Brazil.
Can categorically state I haven't been approached - yet.
Crab apple
11-12-2021, 06:48 PM
My choice would be Alex Neil, he's an obvious choice to me.
If he didn't fancy it I think I would settle for Derek McInnes,
Don't particularly want him but I'm very wary we end up employing a random who is doomed to failure from the word go.
I think we would be safe with McInnes and he would at least steady the ship.
Unless there's an impressive leftfield candidate from abroad that we don't know about then these are the two home based candidates who stand out. Speaking to a former player in one of AN's teams and he speaks really hiģhly of him as a coach and a manager.
degenerated
11-12-2021, 06:54 PM
Not in the know, by any means but I heard some guy with an Italian sounding name mentioned, but for the life o me I cannie remember his name.
Don't shoot the messenger.:dunno:https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20211211/3f166109a5b52a50f7137d9a26d3a299.jpg
In the pub tonite, story about Ronnie Delia ( sp). Probably crap per usual.
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Callum_62
11-12-2021, 07:01 PM
Id definately be happy with Mcinnes
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Magpie
11-12-2021, 07:02 PM
Given the number of bookies accounts I have should not be an issue.......however has anyone seen an online bookie with next manager odds?
Struggling to find one.
William Hill. I’m on McInnes at 5/1.
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Thats a cracker !!!!
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Billy Whizz
11-12-2021, 07:06 PM
Id definately be happy with Mcinnes
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McInnes has always said most important relationship at the club is manager and chairman. He had a great relationship with Stewart Milne. When Cormack came in, it went downhill for Aberdeen. Tells you the story, and Cormack is Ron’s pal
dchibs
11-12-2021, 07:11 PM
So we’re after an American with an Italian sounding name?
This is like Christmas come early for me.
Lou Ferrigno, would take no **** from the players a big lad and is toutally green through and through.:agree:
Green Reaper
11-12-2021, 07:15 PM
Not in the know, by any means but I heard some guy with an Italian sounding name mentioned, but for the life o me I cannie remember his name.
Don't shoot the messenger.
Massimo Donati?
Iain G
11-12-2021, 07:17 PM
Cheers, try telling my wife that. Think she’s getting annoyed at getting woken up during the night with new potential candidates I’ve found.
Gianni Gordonelli?
Massimo Donati?
Mmmmmmmmm Donati 🤤
Callum_62
11-12-2021, 07:20 PM
Massimo Donati?I'd very much hope not
His coaching career
In June 2019, Donati joined the coaching staff at*Kilmarnock*under*Angelo Alessio.[31]
On 25 June 2021, he was named new head coach of*Sambenedettese.[32]*The club, originally scheduled to play*Serie C*in the 2021–22 season, was successively demoted to*Serie D*due to financial irregularities; nevertheless, on September 2021 Donati was confirmed he would stay at Sambenedettese also in the lower tier.[33]*On 31 October 2021, Donati was dismissed from his role following a negative start in the club's Serie D campaign.[34]
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Rumble de Thump
11-12-2021, 07:23 PM
Ricardo Gareca.
Green Reaper
11-12-2021, 07:25 PM
I'd very much hope not
His coaching career
In June 2019, Donati joined the coaching staff at*Kilmarnock*under*Angelo Alessio.[31]
On 25 June 2021, he was named new head coach of*Sambenedettese.[32]*The club, originally scheduled to play*Serie C*in the 2021–22 season, was successively demoted to*Serie D*due to financial irregularities; nevertheless, on September 2021 Donati was confirmed he would stay at Sambenedettese also in the lower tier.[33]*On 31 October 2021, Donati was dismissed from his role following a negative start in the club's Serie D campaign.[34]
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Agree, he has no chance. Just replying to A Hi-Bee post of an Italian being quoted, his name was on one of the bookies lists
Callum_62
11-12-2021, 07:35 PM
Ricardo Gareca.The slim tiger
I'm for it.
Ricardo Alberto Gareca Nardi*(Spanish pronunciation:*[riˈkaɾðo alˈβeɾto ɣaˈɾeka ˈnaɾði]; born 10 February 1958), nicknamed*el Tigre*and*el Flaco*("Tiger" and "Slim"), is an Argentine*football*manager*and former player. He is the current manager of the*Peru national team.
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Inconsequential
11-12-2021, 07:43 PM
Can categorically state I haven't been approached - yet. Don't hold your breath! :greengrin
hhibs
11-12-2021, 08:55 PM
The only American who has been linked by hibs. Net is Ian Gordon based in America the Swiss guy and ronny deila.
Paul Dalgleish ??Available after leaving his coaching role in MLS .
Callum_62
12-12-2021, 01:52 AM
Someone mentioned Alexander I think
I do like these interviews
https://youtu.be/hWzd86nl14A
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Yorkshire HFC
12-12-2021, 05:27 AM
Id definately be happy with Mcinnes
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I think McInnes was a really good manager for Aberdeen, and he'd probably be good for Hibs - but he's just like Jack Ross. I can't see him being any better or worse. The same for Alec Neil.
I'm looking for the new manager to be someone who can really take Hibs to a new level - with the necessary cash backing. Otherwise what was the point in getting rid of Ross?
That's the expectation.
HibeeEaston
12-12-2021, 06:13 AM
The next permanent hibs manager odds have disappeared from the William Hill website this morning. They might know something? Or could just be a coincidence…
Bridge hibs
12-12-2021, 06:20 AM
Someone mentioned Alexander I think
I do like these interviews
https://youtu.be/hWzd86nl14A
Sent from my VOG-L29 using TapatalkAlexander is just in the door with Motherwell though, who knows he could be a good manager further down the line. Like a few on here I was thinking Alex Neil as there has been a bit of chat. However McIness name just doesnt seem to go away either 😳
CapitalGreen
12-12-2021, 07:38 AM
Alexander is just in the door with Motherwell though, who knows he could be a good manager further down the line. Like a few on here I was thinking Alex Neil as there has been a bit of chat. However McIness name just doesnt seem to go away either 😳
Alexander already has a proven track record at his previous clubs and if there was a realistic chance of us getting him this early in his Motherwell tenure then I’d be very keen.
Fleetwood Town - took them from mid table in the League 2 to Promotion in his first full season and then the following season had them comfortably in 10th in League 1. A poor start to his 3rd season however saw them part ways.
Scunthorpe - took over towards the end of 15/16 season, winning 7 of their final 9 games to take them to a 7th place finish in League 1. His first full season they finished 3rd (their best finish in the last 10 years) but lost to Millwall in the playoffs. The following season, Scunthorpe sacked him towards the end of the following season while he had them in 5th place. The season after he left they were relegated in 23rd position and have languished around the bottom of League 2 since.
Salford - in his first season he got them promoted through the playoffs to League 2. In his second season he had them comfortably sitting mid-table and in the FA Trophy final before Covid ended the season prematurely. He had started the following league season unbeaten but was inexplicably sacked.
GreenCastle
12-12-2021, 07:41 AM
Well Ronny Deila won New York’s 1st ever MLS cup and then decided to keep his word and strip to his underwear! Pretty funny if you see the clip.
As I’ve said before would be very surprised if he goes from that to Hibs manager - the guy will be looking at more money and different league possibly.
A week today is the cup final…will we appointment someone before that game ?
Bridge hibs
12-12-2021, 07:46 AM
Alexander already has a proven track record at his previous clubs and if there was a realistic chance of us getting him this early in his Motherwell tenure then I’d be very keen.
Fleetwood Town - took them from mid table in the League 2 to Promotion in his first full season and then the following season had them comfortably in 10th in League 1. A poor start to his 3rd season however saw them part ways.
Scunthorpe - took over towards the end of 15/16 season, winning 7 of their final 9 games to take them to a 7th place finish in League 1. His first full season they finished 3rd (their best finish in the last 10 years) but lost to Millwall in the playoffs. The following season, Scunthorpe sacked him towards the end of the following season while he had them in 5th place. The season after he left they were relegated in 23rd position and have languished around the bottom of League 2 since.
Salford - in his first season he got them promoted through the playoffs to League 2. In his second season he had them comfortably sitting mid-table and in the FA Trophy final before Covid ended the season prematurely. He had started the following league season unbeaten but was inexplicably sacked.Yeah I can see all that bud but the bits that concern me are the sacked, sacked and sacked 🤣
There does seem to be a lot of names being banded about and a few of those names concern me to be honest
madhatter
12-12-2021, 07:49 AM
Replace Jack Ross with Alexander? Unimaginative and would feel like we are replacing with a worse manager.
blackpoolhibs
12-12-2021, 07:51 AM
Not in the know, by any means but I heard some guy with an Italian sounding name mentioned, but for the life o me I cannie remember his name.
Don't shoot the messenger.
Peroni.
Callum_62
12-12-2021, 07:54 AM
Peroni.Porrini
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Callum_62
12-12-2021, 07:55 AM
Yeah I can see all that bud but the bits that concern me are the sacked, sacked and sacked [emoji1787]
There does seem to be a lot of names being banded about and a few of those names concern me to be honestI'd bet my bottom dollar if we get anyone with experience they will have been sacked
Its the nature of the game
I wouldn't worry about the names being banded about - almost no one will have a clue who we are targeting (or even if we are targeting anyone yet)
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Callum_62
12-12-2021, 07:57 AM
I think McInnes was a really good manager for Aberdeen, and he'd probably be good for Hibs - but he's just like Jack Ross. I can't see him being any better or worse. The same for Alec Neil.
I'm looking for the new manager to be someone who can really take Hibs to a new level - with the necessary cash backing. Otherwise what was the point in getting rid of Ross?
That's the expectation.I've seen that said a few times
Why is he just like Jack Ross?
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Alfred E Newman
12-12-2021, 08:21 AM
I've seen that said a few times
Why is he just like Jack Ross?
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Because he would have us in the top four , cup finals and Europe?
JohnM1875
12-12-2021, 08:26 AM
Few rumours doing the rounds that we're getting Lennon in until the end of the season. Could all be rubbish mind you!
Since452
12-12-2021, 08:28 AM
Well Ronny Deila won New York’s 1st ever MLS cup and then decided to keep his word and strip to his underwear! Pretty funny if you see the clip.
As I’ve said before would be very surprised if he goes from that to Hibs manager - the guy will be looking at more money and different league possibly.
A week today is the cup final…will we appointment someone before that game ?
He will be on a fortune at New York I'd imagine. Well above our pay grade.
Billy Whizz
12-12-2021, 08:30 AM
He will be on a fortune at New York I'd imagine. Well above our pay grade.
Is he bringing Collins with him
madhatter
12-12-2021, 08:32 AM
Few rumours doing the rounds that we're getting Lennon in until the end of the season. Could all be rubbish mind you!
Hopefully rubbish. Cannot see a new owner and CEO going back to previous managers. Especially one that left in such a bad way.
Since452
12-12-2021, 08:33 AM
Few rumours doing the rounds that we're getting Lennon in until the end of the season. Could all be rubbish mind you!
That would be a disaster imo
GreenCastle
12-12-2021, 08:34 AM
Hopefully rubbish. Cannot see a new owner and CEO going back to previous managers. Especially one that left in such a bad way.
So the plan isn’t to replace Jack Ross then bring someone else in then bring back Jack Ross like Hearts did with Neilson?
Jones28
12-12-2021, 08:35 AM
Few rumours doing the rounds that we're getting Lennon in until the end of the season. Could all be rubbish mind you!
There will be a number of Hibs fans delighted if that happens. It’s not going to though.
Is there another support in country that clamours after former players/managers to the extent that we seem to?
madhatter
12-12-2021, 08:40 AM
So the plan isn’t to replace Jack Ross then bring someone else in then bring back Jack Ross like Hearts did with Neilson?
No. Plan isn't to bring back Lennon or ex-players. At least I hope.
Lennon, McPake and Thomson. We'd be better off just getting Jack Ross back.
What would motivate Ron Gordon to hire Lennon?
Lancs Harp
12-12-2021, 08:45 AM
Alex Neil is on the short list for the Ipswich job although personally I think Neil Harris might get that job.
Read somewhere that John Carver is interested (wants to get back into day to day football involvement)
Cant see Neil Lennon getting the gig I get the impression he somewhat burnt his bridges at the club on his exit but of course the personnel involved arent the same now.
Wonder what Roy Race is doing these days?
Cat Stanton
12-12-2021, 08:45 AM
Alexander already has a proven track record at his previous clubs and if there was a realistic chance of us getting him this early in his Motherwell tenure then I’d be very keen.
Fleetwood Town - took them from mid table in the League 2 to Promotion in his first full season and then the following season had them comfortably in 10th in League 1. A poor start to his 3rd season however saw them part ways.
Scunthorpe - took over towards the end of 15/16 season, winning 7 of their final 9 games to take them to a 7th place finish in League 1. His first full season they finished 3rd (their best finish in the last 10 years) but lost to Millwall in the playoffs. The following season, Scunthorpe sacked him towards the end of the following season while he had them in 5th place. The season after he left they were relegated in 23rd position and have languished around the bottom of League 2 since.
Salford - in his first season he got them promoted through the playoffs to League 2. In his second season he had them comfortably sitting mid-table and in the FA Trophy final before Covid ended the season prematurely. He had started the following league season unbeaten but was inexplicably sacked.
You should speak to Motherwell fans. Yes, they have accumulated a decent number of points this season, but the football has often been absolutely brutal. Ross to Alexander would be a massively, massively backwards step.
MWHIBBIES
12-12-2021, 08:48 AM
No. Plan isn't to bring back Lennon or ex-players. At least I hope.
Lennon, McPake and Thomson. We'd be better off just getting Jack Ross back.
What would motivate Ron Gordon to hire Lennon?
Lennon will be by far the most successful option in terms of winning trophies in scotland.
I'm not a Lennon fan at all, but him until the end of the season isn't the worst idea I've ever heard. Getting someone in to try and change everything right now and implement a totally new style and sign 10 players in January wouldn't end well.
Cat Stanton
12-12-2021, 08:48 AM
Just looking at the bbc football gossip page - no mention of Hibs at all. Is it not very weird that there is no speculation in the Sunday papers? Unless the BBC has just missed it all..?
madhatter
12-12-2021, 08:52 AM
Lennon will be by far the most successful option in terms of winning trophies in scotland.
I'm not a Lennon fan at all, but him until the end of the season isn't the worst idea I've ever heard. Getting someone in to try and change everything right now and implement a totally new style and sign 10 players in January wouldn't end well.
I could get on board with that if Lennon hadn't left the way he did. I suspect some players might have been happy to see him go. Those players might still be at the club as well. All conjecture though. I liked Lennon until the last few months of his reign and now don't want him near the club.
we are hibs
12-12-2021, 08:53 AM
Lennon can get to ****
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Hiber-nation
12-12-2021, 08:57 AM
Just looking at the bbc football gossip page - no mention of Hibs at all. Is it not very weird that there is no speculation in the Sunday papers? Unless the BBC has just missed it all..?
The Lennon story is the main back page headline in the Mail on Sunday or whatever the Tory pish rag is called.
bingo70
12-12-2021, 08:59 AM
Just looking at the bbc football gossip page - no mention of Hibs at all. Is it not very weird that there is no speculation in the Sunday papers? Unless the BBC has just missed it all..?
Not really. He was only sacked on Thursday. Most of the journalists work for the Sunday is down throughout the week.
Also relevant that the decision makers at the club are based abroad and won’t have many pals in the media here.
loanheadhibby
12-12-2021, 09:02 AM
Few rumours doing the rounds that we're getting Lennon in until the end of the season. Could all be rubbish mind you!
I think it’s a decent option to get someone in until end of season. We need someone in pronto to steady the ship. Gives the club a bit more time to decide the best candidate.
whether McInnes/Lennon would be interested, I’d be surprised.
Springbank
12-12-2021, 09:04 AM
If you have A short term need that includes motivating players in a cup final v cwltic & a Derby, then a fully refreshed and focused and highly motivated Neil Lennon is just the guy.
My 2p
Danderhall Hibs
12-12-2021, 09:07 AM
If you have A short term need that includes motivating players in a cup final v cwltic & a Derby, then a fully refreshed and focused and highly motivated Neil Lennon is just the guy.
My 2p
Derbies we’re tedious under Lennon - he used to just pick the 11 tallest players and hope for a draw. The replay in the cup was the exception.
Never got to a cup final (lost his only semi final) so no idea on that one.
jeffers
12-12-2021, 09:09 AM
Can’t believe anyone would consider taking Lennon back after his last few months with us and I say that despite part of his time being my most enjoyable in recent years.
My bigger concern is if the guys making an appointment have ever done so before. Look at the arse Budge made of her first two appointments (or was it three.)
Lancs Harp
12-12-2021, 09:11 AM
Can’t believe anyone would consider taking Lennon back after his last few months with us and I say that despite part of his time being my most enjoyable in recent years.
My bigger concern is if the guys making an appointment have ever done so before. Look at the arse Budge made of her first two appointments (or was it three.)
Got to admit its crossed my mind too. Who will be making the appointment from a footballing point of view?
Callum_62
12-12-2021, 09:13 AM
Got to admit its crossed my mind too. Who will be making the appointment from a footballing point of view?I'm guessing Ben?
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jeffers
12-12-2021, 09:13 AM
Derbies we’re tedious under Lennon - he used to just pick the 11 tallest players and hope for a draw. The replay in the cup was the exception.
Never got to a cup final (lost his only semi final) so no idea on that one.
Don’t really want to get into another Lennon debate, but we beat them 2-0 at ER going on more, might have been the natural order derby. And put up a decent show in a semi against Celtic and after a shocking start lost to a flukey goal v the Sheep in the SC semi when we were looking the better team.
Since90+2
12-12-2021, 09:13 AM
If you have A short term need that includes motivating players in a cup final v cwltic & a Derby, then a fully refreshed and focused and highly motivated Neil Lennon is just the guy.
My 2p
I actually agree with that to a certain extent. Don't think it will happen though.
SaulGoodman
12-12-2021, 09:14 AM
Don’t get people wanting Lennon back. It was a good time to be a Hibs fan but I’d say that was in spite of having Lennon in charge.
We had just won the Scottish cup, we had massive attendances because of that, we had players like John Mcginn in midfield. Think people are forgetting that we had some pretty poor results in the championship under Lennon.
First half of his second season was very average until January where the arrivals of Allan, Kamberi and Maclaren dragged us all the way up the table . If they didn’t hit the ground running I reckon we would’ve finished mid table.
Danderhall Hibs
12-12-2021, 09:14 AM
Don’t really want to get into another Lennon debate, but we beat them 2-0 at ER going on more, might have been the natural order derby. And put up a decent show in a semi against Celtic and after a shocking start lost to a flukey goal v the Sheep in the SC semi when we were looking the better team.
That’s right actually - a couple of good ones at home, the away games were turgid.
Big cup game record wasn’t great though like you say.
greenlex
12-12-2021, 09:15 AM
If we appoint Lennon I really have to consider how I support the club going forward. Gordon/Kensell surely must know the toxic element this would create.
04Sauzee
12-12-2021, 09:15 AM
Is Lennon going to come in and want his coaching team or would it be him and Gray? Can't see Lennon and Gray being a dream team.
What happens in the January window ? Would Lennon have a say in transfer targets? Would a player want to sign a 2/3 year deal knowing a new manager may not rate him ? Or will players just come to Hibs for the money??
Would be crazy to have Lennon in on a short deal contract. If Hibs think he's good enough for 6 months then he's good enough to give him a 3 year deal or a 1 year rolling contract.
I'd rather Lennon wasn't our new head coach btw.
Since90+2
12-12-2021, 09:15 AM
Got to admit its crossed my mind too. Who will be making the appointment from a footballing point of view?
Ron Gordon will ultimately make the decision but he'll have input from Kensell and possibly from sounding out other people he's built relationships within the game.
Eyrie
12-12-2021, 09:16 AM
Don’t really want to get into another Lennon debate, but we beat them 2-0 at ER going on more, might have been the natural order derby. And put up a decent show in a semi against Celtic and after a shocking start lost to a flukey goal v the Sheep in the SC semi when we were looking the better team.
The same Aberdeen semi where Lennon got his tactics so completely wrong that we were 2-0 down and being dominated, so he had to replace Fyvie with Holt after 35 minutes because using Cummings as a lone striker wasn't working?
jeffers
12-12-2021, 09:17 AM
I'm guessing Ben?
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Ben ? RG ? RG’s son ? A combination of them ? If it was RG who decided Ross should be sacked is he likely to take a passive role in recruitment of his replacement ? Saying that despite experience in recruiting managers Petrie invariably got it wrong, Dempster screwed up with Hecky……
MWHIBBIES
12-12-2021, 09:18 AM
If you have A short term need that includes motivating players in a cup final v cwltic & a Derby, then a fully refreshed and focused and highly motivated Neil Lennon is just the guy.
My 2p
Well, apart from him saying he didn't celebrate against Celtic when managing Hibs, essentially because he liked them more.
Springbank
12-12-2021, 09:19 AM
Lads, there's a cup final to win.
one man who wants to beat this celtic team (& prove a personal point) is Neil Lennon
Callum_62
12-12-2021, 09:19 AM
I cannot for the life of me see Neil Lennon accepting an interim job back at Hibs until the summer
If he's to get it, it will be permanent
For me, it's a resounding no though
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Springbank
12-12-2021, 09:19 AM
Well, apart from him saying he didn't celebrate against Celtic when managing Hibs, essentially because he liked them more.
You missed the second part of my post I guess.
MWHIBBIES
12-12-2021, 09:20 AM
You missed the second part of my post I guess.
No, just saying. You aren't wrong in anything you say, but I wouldn't say hes an outstanding candidate to get us up for a game vs Celtic.
SlickShoes
12-12-2021, 09:23 AM
As much as I enjoyed the rollercoaster of Lennon as manager, if this was the route hibs went down I’d be very worried. The way it ended speaks volumes, he downed tools and basically engineered a move back to Celtic. I don’t understand why anyone would want him back after that.
jeffers
12-12-2021, 09:23 AM
The same Aberdeen semi where Lennon got his tactics so completely wrong that we were 2-0 down and being dominated, so he had to replace Fyvie with Holt after 35 minutes because using Cummings as a lone striker wasn't working?
To be clear I’m not defending Lennon, don’t want him anywhere near us again. You are right he did screw up, but he also rectified that, we went on to be the better team and imo should have won that game bar a clear handball that led to a flukey deflected goal. I remember the scenes when McGeouch scored our equaliser.
bingo70
12-12-2021, 09:24 AM
Got to admit its crossed my mind too. Who will be making the appointment from a footballing point of view?
I’m looking forward to getting some communication from the club about what happens now. I totally get why nothing was said with the game being yesterday but there really should be an interview with Kinsell or Ron Gordon coming soon giving a bit transparency to what the strategy is now.
As for Lennon, I have to admit I think I would enjoy watching the reaction if he was appointed. No question he divides the supporters. I think the logic to appointing him would be that he’s come from a club who demand higher standards and it’s something he’s known for, even if that doesn’t stand up to much scrutiny. A similar appointment would be someone like Roy Keane. I think the players are in their comfort zone and it wouldn’t be a bad thing mix things up a bit. They’ve been playing pish for months yet the same 8/9 players would start every week so what was the consequences for performing as badly as they have been?
That said, he wouldn’t be my choice though. I just would see the logic and would enjoy the fall out of it.
Eyrie
12-12-2021, 09:24 AM
Lads, there's a cup final to win.
one man who wants to beat this celtic team (& prove a personal point) is Neil Lennon
And that is part of the Lennon problem.
It would all be about him, not just in the media but in his own mind.
I want our next manager to be someone who puts Hibs first, knowing that he will benefit if we do well.
Callum_62
12-12-2021, 09:26 AM
Imagine this at hampden
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https://twitter.com/FreeSports_TV/status/1469959128718229504?t=tLfJRGEZVbiioM0vv6zuAQ&s=19
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Lee Marvin
12-12-2021, 09:28 AM
This Lennon rumour is surely a joke??
lucky
12-12-2021, 09:31 AM
Who we as fans want is irrelevant as Ron and the board will appoint who they think is best. If it’s Lenny then at least we know the players will be motivated at least in the short term.
Blurhibee
12-12-2021, 09:32 AM
Well, apart from him saying he didn't celebrate against Celtic when managing Hibs, essentially because he liked them more.
That is just not true that he didn’t celebrate against Celtic, you obviously weren’t at parkhead when we scored and Lennon came to edge of his technical area and celebrated towards us Hibs fans in the away end.
Golden Bear
12-12-2021, 09:33 AM
This Lennon rumour is surely a joke??
Let's hope so.
SHODAN
12-12-2021, 09:34 AM
Lennon lol
WestCoastHibby
12-12-2021, 09:35 AM
Peroni.
Should have been drinking several Free Peronis last night but our Xmas bash got canned!
easty
12-12-2021, 09:41 AM
This Lennon rumour is surely a joke??
I’m definitely not taking it seriously, dunno why so many are. It’s not going to happen.
Since452
12-12-2021, 09:48 AM
As much as I enjoyed the rollercoaster of Lennon as manager, if this was the route hibs went down I’d be very worried. The way it ended speaks volumes, he downed tools and basically engineered a move back to Celtic. I don’t understand why anyone would want him back after that.
Yup. He shouldn't be allowed anywhere near Easter Road.
Coco Bryce
12-12-2021, 10:04 AM
These Twitter/Facebook posts about Neil Lennon till the end of the season better be complete *****.
CmoantheHibs
12-12-2021, 10:06 AM
This Lennon rumour is surely a joke??
My jambo friend said we were getting Lennon in as interim boss the same day JR was punted.I just took it as a wind up. I think it’s a case of someone making it up and it has just gathered pace and grown arms and legs. It’s not going to happen
sleeping giant
12-12-2021, 10:11 AM
These Twitter/Facebook posts about Neil Lennon till the end of the season better be complete *****.
I wouldnt pay any attention to the facebook groups.
Some strange characters on there 😳
Coco Bryce
12-12-2021, 10:13 AM
I wouldnt pay any attention to the facebook groups.
Some strange characters on there 😳
You should see Twitter 😳🤠👀
WhileTheChief..
12-12-2021, 10:22 AM
Lads, there's a cup final to win.
one man who wants to beat this celtic team (& prove a personal point) is Neil Lennon
:top marksIt's a no brainer to me.
Apparently he's thrown his hat in the ring for the gig so hopefully we're at least talking with him.
Hierarchy at the club are different, our favourite players like Hanlon and Stevenson loved playing with him and the club shouldn't pay attention to fans feelings online, so nothing stopping us!!!
Exciting times ahead and at least having his name in the mix has got us chatting.
Marmite.
MWHIBBIES
12-12-2021, 10:33 AM
That is just not true that he didn’t celebrate against Celtic, you obviously weren’t at parkhead when we scored and Lennon came to edge of his technical area and celebrated towards us Hibs fans in the away end.
Just quoting the man himself
MWHIBBIES
12-12-2021, 10:35 AM
:top marksIt's a no brainer to me.
Apparently he's thrown his hat in the ring for the gig so hopefully we're at least talking with him.
Hierarchy at the club are different, our favourite players like Hanlon and Stevenson loved playing with him and the club shouldn't pay attention to fans feelings online, so nothing stopping us!!!
Exciting times ahead and at least having his name in the mix has got us chatting.
Marmite.
The club shouldn't pay attention to fans?
Unseen work
12-12-2021, 10:38 AM
This Neil Lennon stuff better be nonsense.
Do people not remember how he left? His record that season and how bad the performances were? He was becoming an idiot in the media again, constantly blaming others and left because he lost the dressing room.
David Gray and the other experienced ones were supposedly the ones that stuck up for Kamberi, how would that go down?
Appointing someone as interim till the end of the season is madness. Where does that put is in January for signing players? Who makes the decision? And what player that’s any good would join us when he doesn’t know who will be in charge.
This would be a massive slap in the face to the fans and go against everything Ron Gordon has said since he has come in.
If he wants to be best of the rest and all the talk about how it’s a big footballing world and we need to tap into other markets then there’s no way he can appoint Lennon.
cabbageandribs1875
12-12-2021, 10:41 AM
The same Aberdeen semi where Lennon got his tactics so completely wrong that we were 2-0 down and being dominated, so he had to replace Fyvie with Holt after 35 minutes because using Cummings as a lone striker wasn't working?
so does that not mean he had the vision to change the formation, he's probably not the first coach to ever experiment with a formation and get it wrong :dunno:
i'm not saying we should hire him again btw, but..
BoomtownHibees
12-12-2021, 10:42 AM
Do people not remember how he left?
Yea. He wasn’t sacked and he didn’t resign. Maybe he’s still employed!!
loanheadhibby
12-12-2021, 10:46 AM
I wonder how this process works.
I’m imagining Alec Neil/Derek McInnes/Neil Lennon all sitting by the phone today thinking is it going to ring.
None of them currently in a job.
Agents phoning up journalists hinting he’s not that interested/waiting on offer from down south/has other options.
I bet all 3 would walk over broken glass to get Hibs job.
MWHIBBIES
12-12-2021, 10:48 AM
This Neil Lennon stuff better be nonsense.
Do people not remember how he left? His record that season and how bad the performances were? He was becoming an idiot in the media again, constantly blaming others and left because he lost the dressing room.
David Gray and the other experienced ones were supposedly the ones that stuck up for Kamberi, how would that go down?
Appointing someone as interim till the end of the season is madness. Where does that put is in January for signing players? Who makes the decision? And what player that’s any good would join us when he doesn’t know who will be in charge.
This would be a massive slap in the face to the fans and go against everything Ron Gordon has said since he has come in.
If he wants to be best of the rest and all the talk about how it’s a big footballing world and we need to tap into other markets then there’s no way he can appoint Lennon.
Appointing someone as interim is a good call. That's why a lot of big clubs do it. Getting a permanent manager midway though a season has almost always ended badly for us. Every one of them gets sacked
Yorkshire HFC
12-12-2021, 10:51 AM
Because he would have us in the top four , cup finals and Europe?
Yes. Looks like that isn't enough for the Board.
Appointing someone as interim is a good call. That's why a lot of big clubs do it. Getting a permanent manager midway though a season has almost always ended badly for us. Every one of them gets sacked
I’d be in agreement on this if we didn’t have to make quite a few important changes to the squad in January, interim leaves us with the probability of loan signings to see the season out, then a summer racing around appointing a manager and chasing players to build the squad he wants, we could have a new manager with the exact same problems JR has had this year with poorly balanced and small squad coke next January
B.H.F.C
12-12-2021, 10:53 AM
Yes. Looks like that isn't enough for the Board.
You keep mentioning this without any acknowledgement we’ve been in horrendous form, dropping down the league, with no real sign of it turning.
The Harp Awakes
12-12-2021, 10:54 AM
I'd be surprised if Neil Lennon returned, but it would be a thumbs up from me. I think some of our current squad are way too comfortable and need a boot up the arse.
It would also be refreshing to face the OF again and not be **** scared of them (recent Hampden Semi aside).
Whoever our next coach is, we all need to get right behind them.
Unseen work
12-12-2021, 10:54 AM
Appointing someone as interim is a good call. That's why a lot of big clubs do it. Getting a permanent manager midway though a season has almost always ended badly for us. Every one of them gets sacked
Nearly every manager we appoint gets sacked regardless of when they’re appointed.
Other than Man Utd, who else appoints interim managers?
I think it’s really poor forward planning, clubs like Utd get away with it as players will still want to sign for them.
MWHIBBIES
12-12-2021, 10:55 AM
I’d be in agreement on this if we didn’t have to make quite a few important changes to the squad in January, interim leaves us with the probability of loan signings to see the season out, then a summer racing around appointing a manager and chasing players to build the squad he wants, we could have a new manager with the exact same problems JR has had this year with poorly balanced and small squad coke next January
I disagree. The squad doesn't actually need that much work, and 2 or 3 quality players won't cause an issue for a new manager anyway.
Libby Hibby
12-12-2021, 10:55 AM
I would love Neil Lennon back.
A man with ambition, fight and with a point to prove.
We would certainly have our swagger back.
Proper manager.
madhatter
12-12-2021, 10:57 AM
Yes. Looks like that isn't enough for the Board.
Lennon got us 4th and then left the next season. This happened under a different CEO and board members.
Ranieri won the league with Leicester and then got sacked in next season.
Cannot live on past glories in football.
Brightside
12-12-2021, 10:58 AM
I would love Neil Lennon back.
A man with ambition, fight and with a point to prove.
We would certainly have our swagger back.
Proper manager.
He’s a manager from the dark ages.
Since452
12-12-2021, 10:58 AM
2 wins in 14 and engineering a move back to Celtic? No thanks.
I disagree. The squad doesn't actually need that much work, and 2 or 3 quality players won't cause an issue for a new manager anyway.
Interim manager signs 2/3 players in January to address our probs, a permanent manager then maybe doesn’t fancy them a risky game IMO
MWHIBBIES
12-12-2021, 10:59 AM
Nearly every manager we appoint gets sacked regardless of when they’re appointed.
Other than Man Utd, who else appoints interim managers?
I think it’s really poor forward planning, clubs like Utd get away with it as players will still want to sign for them.
Chelsea have had hiddink in twice.
Big clubs in England don't often sack managers mid season and immediately appoint the replacement, unless it's a very high profile one such as Klopp or tuchel. It does happen of course, but there is examples of interim managers doing good jobs too.
Stubbs and Mowbray both appointed summer, both went to other clubs. Both successes.
Just my opinion that coming in mid season you're immediately up against it to get ideas across. 5/6 friendlies and league Cup ties to try things for a new manager definitely helps.
madhatter
12-12-2021, 11:02 AM
I disagree. The squad doesn't actually need that much work, and 2 or 3 quality players won't cause an issue for a new manager anyway.
Unless he wants to play a high press with Joe Newell and JDH in midfield. Or McInnes gets hired and wants to bring back his Aberdeen glory days playing 3-4 big brutes in defence.
Because we don't have unlimited money like the EPL the club having a recognisable playing philosophy and recruiting players and managers with that in mind becomes paramount. In my lifetime it seems we've never done that and each manager always needs 5-6 signings minimum to get his style working. Also tends to have a few players he doesn't rate that we struggle to offload.
Allant1981
12-12-2021, 11:03 AM
I would love Neil Lennon back.
A man with ambition, fight and with a point to prove.
We would certainly have our swagger back.
Proper manager.
And treated the club like crap, didnt bother turning up when he took the huff, treated some players terribly, as soon as the celtic job came up he wasnt interested, bit aye a proper manager
makaveli1875
12-12-2021, 11:07 AM
Would be good to have lenny in charge for this final, not so sure about long term. For all his shenanigans I quite enjoyed most of the lenny years.
Heisenberg
12-12-2021, 11:15 AM
He’s a manager from the dark ages.
Exactly. Shouldn’t be anywhere near a return to the club after how he left and also how he left Celtc.
MWHIBBIES
12-12-2021, 11:16 AM
Unless he wants to play a high press with Joe Newell and JDH in midfield. Or McInnes gets hired and wants to bring back his Aberdeen glory days playing 3-4 big brutes in defence.
Because we don't have unlimited money like the EPL the club having a recognisable playing philosophy and recruiting players and managers with that in mind becomes paramount. In my lifetime it seems we've never done that and each manager always needs 5-6 signings minimum to get his style working. Also tends to have a few players he doesn't rate that we struggle to offload.
Barcelona played a high press with Messi, iniesta and xavi.. It's all about brains and positioning, not physicality. Newall generally presses well.
Iain G
12-12-2021, 11:19 AM
Would be good to have lenny in charge for this final, not so sure about long term. For all his shenanigans I quite enjoyed most of the lenny years.
That's one way to guarantee Celtic win the game!
SeanWilson
12-12-2021, 11:23 AM
I would love Neil Lennon back.
A man with ambition, fight and with a point to prove.
We would certainly have our swagger back.
Proper manager.
😂 are you serious? You think NL walking in with his chest out shouting at a bunch of players that can’t buy a good performance; suddenly makes them play well? I’d rather Jack Ross than NL and I’ve been in the Ross out camp for a long time.
lord bunberry
12-12-2021, 11:23 AM
You keep mentioning this without any acknowledgement we’ve been in horrendous form, dropping down the league, with no real sign of it turning.
They don’t hand out the medals in December though. His only previous full season we finished 3rd.
Yorkshire HFC
12-12-2021, 11:25 AM
You keep mentioning this without any acknowledgement we’ve been in horrendous form, dropping down the league, with no real sign of it turning.
Well I've moved on now - just looking forward to the next manager and what that brings.
Pretty Boy
12-12-2021, 11:27 AM
The more I think about it the more I want Derek McIness. A proven track record over the course of a decade.
There are questions around him of course but of all the names mentioned he arguably has the least.
LeithMike
12-12-2021, 11:29 AM
[emoji23] are you serious? You think NL walking in with his chest out shouting at a bunch of players that can’t buy a good performance; suddenly makes them play well? I’d rather Jack Ross than NL and I’ve been in the Ross out camp for a long time.Agree with this. I like Neil Lennon but coming into a team regularly losing and down in confidence has the potential for creating a divide between the players and management and a further downward spiral akin to when Butcher took over.
We did well with Lennon where he took a team on the up and gave them more self-belief. His latter days at both Celtic and Hibs showed he was unable to turn round teams on the decline.
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EVENTUALLY
12-12-2021, 11:30 AM
All I ask for is a manager who wants to play a combative, high energy style of football and likes to keep the ball on the deck.
Jack Ross and Paul Heckingbottom's failing in my eyes are they both tried to implement a modern football " easy on the eye" possession style football. For whatever reason it just doesn't work with Hibs (or in Scottish football)
Because it needs to played at a high tempo with players who have a decent ability to play the ball with no more than 2 touches. Heckingbottom and Ross coached retention but there was no intensity or high tempo.
JimBHibees
12-12-2021, 11:31 AM
This Lennon rumour is surely a joke??
Has to be
Appointing Lennon or mcinnes will at best see us in the same position as we were under Ross and would both be poor appointments. Mcinnes in particular ticks none of the boxes that led to the removal of Ross. Lennon maybe ticks the winning big games one but the we he self combusted towards the end surely rules him out.
Davidson Goodwin mcpake don’t really tick any boxes either. Alexander may do but it’s too early to be sure and would go into the taking a gamble category. Neil is an interesting option but his track record doesn’t strike me as being certain to improve on where we are.
It’s going to have to be a left field option and those obviously come with risk. I wonder if Baxter is still looking for a job in Scotland.
Heisenberg
12-12-2021, 11:34 AM
The more I think about it the more I want Derek McIness. A proven track record over the course of a decade.
There are questions around him of course but of all the names mentioned he arguably has the least.
I’m on board with you. His first few years at Aberdeen he built a good entertaining squad but it did go stale towards the end. Suppose it’s not a surprise after that length of time at one club.
Don’t reckon he’d be cheap but he’d certainly get us results I think. He’d also divide the support which could be a problem.
lord bunberry
12-12-2021, 11:34 AM
The more I think about it the more I want Derek McIness. A proven track record over the course of a decade.
There are questions around him of course but of all the names mentioned he arguably has the least.
He was sacked by Aberdeen because the fans hated his style of football, would he not be seen as out of the frying pan into the fire for a lot of hibs fans?
WhileTheChief..
12-12-2021, 11:34 AM
I would love Neil Lennon back.
A man with ambition, fight and with a point to prove.
We would certainly have our swagger back.
Proper manager.
Agree with every word.
It's good to see so many other fans are behind the idea.
HendoDelivered
12-12-2021, 11:39 AM
Agree with every word.
It's good to see so many other fans are behind the idea.
Because of the way he left, the horrific run of results and the eye bleeding football? And not to mention, become a clown in the media at times again… some folk are obsessed with this man.
MWHIBBIES
12-12-2021, 11:39 AM
Agree with every word.
It's good to see so many other fans are behind the idea.
Wait, 2 minutes ago the board were to ignore fans online
LeithMike
12-12-2021, 11:40 AM
The more I think about it the more I want Derek McIness. A proven track record over the course of a decade.
There are questions around him of course but of all the names mentioned he arguably has the least.That's where I am at. I still think there is a question of whether he's been damaged by his last couple of seasons at Aberdeen but, on the whole, he's proven over a long period of time and so he can point to his record as a reason for giving him time (which the new man will need).
The other candidates have all had success over a relatively short period of time but have not sustained it. Take Davidson, for example, I know people don't like his style but his success from last season is now looking to be a bit flash in the pan and there are now big question marks over him. He might come good but we just don't know.
If we employ someone on the back of one or two good seasons then they have not been fully proven and it could be just a case of momentum. I have to say that I don't think Ross was ever proven over a sustained period and its no surprise he's struggled to turn round Hibs in a downturn given his previous record. I think there are also question marks over Alex Neill but McInnes has that record of success over a long period of time he can point to. He also turned round a very mediocre Aberdeen team and took them very close to a very good Celtic team before falling away in the last year or so (no surprise when you consider there was not much room for further growth).
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The Modfather
12-12-2021, 11:42 AM
He was sacked by Aberdeen because the fans hated his style of football, would he not be seen as out of the frying pan into the fire for a lot of hibs fans?
Depends what kind of manager he wants to be. The one that played, industrious, cynical, football I’d not want nor enjoy even if he did replicate Aberdeen’s consistency. The manager from the first half of his Aberdeen tenure, wingers, width and good energy and tempo to the team which also delivered consistency, yes please.
JimBHibees
12-12-2021, 11:43 AM
I would love Neil Lennon back.
A man with ambition, fight and with a point to prove.
We would certainly have our swagger back.
Proper manager.
Don't remember much swagger about Celtic last season more shambles than swagger.
madhatter
12-12-2021, 11:45 AM
Appointing Lennon or mcinnes will at best see us in the same position as we were under Ross and would both be poor appointments. Mcinnes in particular ticks none of the boxes that led to the removal of Ross. Lennon maybe ticks the winning big games one but the we he self combusted towards the end surely rules him out.
Davidson Goodwin mcpake don’t really tick any boxes either. Alexander may do but it’s too early to be sure and would go into the taking a gamble category. Neil is an interesting option but his track record doesn’t strike me as being certain to improve on where we are.
It’s going to have to be a left field option and those obviously come with risk. I wonder if Baxter is still looking for a job in Scotland.
All managerial appointments come with risk. Don't get Hibs fans portraying left field options as some sort of enhanced risk. We've went with the known elements almost every time (even Stubbs had ex-Celtic ties) and we've got a high sacking rate.
Gordy M
12-12-2021, 11:47 AM
The strange thing is that if JR had done with another team what he did with us, he would be a lot of fans choice to be the next manager......maybe:greengrin
Heisenberg
12-12-2021, 11:49 AM
Don't remember much swagger about Celtic last season more shambles than swagger.
I also don’t understand the ambition chat about Lennon. He didn’t show much of it when he won 2 in 14 games and started acting like the job didn’t mean a thing to him, unless we were playing one of the Glasgow two of course.
He’s a clown and we could do without the circus he brings with him.
eastmainsmsh
12-12-2021, 11:50 AM
The place was buzzing when Lennon was here h wouldn’t put up with any nonsense from players get him back makes sense
Alfiembra
12-12-2021, 11:51 AM
I have a soft spot for Lennon, for a brief moment during his reign I really felt that we had a chance to achieve something big until after the split and things went South. Does he merit a second chance? maybe to see us through to the end of the season and then review it again.
As for McIness I worked up in Aberdeen all through his time there and the locals, in my view, were never really that enamoured with him and quite critical of his style of play at times. If he does get the job will he be stealing signings away from under the nose of Aberdeen?
lord bunberry
12-12-2021, 11:52 AM
Depends what kind of manager he wants to be. The one that played, industrious, cynical, football I’d not want nor enjoy even if he did replicate Aberdeen’s consistency. The manager from the first half of his Aberdeen tenure, wingers, width and good energy and tempo to the team which also delivered consistency, yes please.
I can’t say I have much recollection of his early days, all I remember is his teams being very aggressive, going a goal up and killing the game. That’s not going to go down well with us.
GibbytheHibby2
12-12-2021, 11:52 AM
Because of the way he left, the horrific run of results and the eye bleeding football? And not to mention, become a clown in the media at times again… some folk are obsessed with this man.
He’s obsessed with himself. He thinks he’s bigger than Hibs and that sticks in my craw. No thanks.
Unseen work
12-12-2021, 11:52 AM
Chelsea have had hiddink in twice.
Big clubs in England don't often sack managers mid season and immediately appoint the replacement, unless it's a very high profile one such as Klopp or tuchel. It does happen of course, but there is examples of interim managers doing good jobs too.
Stubbs and Mowbray both appointed summer, both went to other clubs. Both successes.
Just my opinion that coming in mid season you're immediately up against it to get ideas across. 5/6 friendlies and league Cup ties to try things for a new manager definitely helps.
Stubbs and Mowbray are very selective. Stubbs wasn’t a success until the end or the second season when we won the Scottish cup and if it wasn’t for that he would have went down as a failure as he finished 3rd behind Falkirk.
Heckingbottom and Ross both came into the team half way through a season and both improved us more or less straight away. Ross had us massively improved until 9 games ago where for whatever reasons the wheels came off.
Like I said nearly every manager at Hibs gets sacked
bingo70
12-12-2021, 11:53 AM
I can’t say I have much recollection of his early days, all I remember is his teams being very aggressive, going a goal up and killing the game. That’s not going to go down well with us.
I’m the same, that’s all I remember of his Aberdeen teams.
Unseen work
12-12-2021, 11:55 AM
The place was buzzing when Lennon was here h wouldn’t put up with any nonsense from players get him back makes sense
It was buzzing for 4 months when he got Allan, McGinn and Mcgeouch in the same team. I admit for that period it was unbelievable and I thought we were going to the next level and could beat anyone.
The following season was anything but buzzing. He brought in a load of players and played such boring possession football with us rarely looking like we were going to score. His last 14 games for us were shocking and the record in those speak for themselves.
It looked like he never had a clue how to get us a goal.
MWHIBBIES
12-12-2021, 11:58 AM
Stubbs and Mowbray are very selective. Stubbs wasn’t a success until the end or the second season when we won the Scottish cup and if it wasn’t for that he would have went down as a failure as he finished 3rd behind Falkirk.
Heckingbottom and Ross both came into the team half way through a season and both improved us more or less straight away. Ross had us massively improved until 9 games ago where for whatever reasons the wheels came off.
Like I said nearly every manager at Hibs gets sacked
Stubbs was a huge success regardless. Inherited a disaster and made Hibs worth supporting again.
BegbieHSC
12-12-2021, 11:58 AM
Agree with the posts about Lennon coming back!
Some wouldn’t be overly impressed due to the manner of his departure, but I reckon he’s what we need right now - a bit of spirit and fire, to give these players a bit of a shock.
I was a fan of Jack Ross, and didn’t want him to go before I’m accused of being a LennonIn fanboy. I do think Lennon atm is the right man at the right time though.
BlackSheep
12-12-2021, 12:00 PM
A lot of folk seem to be forgetting that Lennon’s spiral started with a fall out with Kamberi, and at that time many of us sided with Kamberi, blaming Lennon for his poor form…. Turns out Kamberi was garbage and had an attitude problem.
This situation drove a wedge between Lennon and Dempster, again fans siding with Dempster…. Making Lennon’s place at hibs almost untenable!!
The hierarchy has changed since all that… we don’t look to have any divas in the current squad and the owner and ceo seem like the type who may appreciate the type of character Lennon is.
I really feel like he could be a good fit this time around.
Ah! the old Neil Lennon debate again.
This is a man who had two polar opposites, one day all cheerie and laughing with the players, the next day he was a psychopath shouting and bawling at anyone who came near him. Blamed the players publicly for his own shortcomings and fell out with nearly all the backroom staff that were here before he came, add in the shocking things he seemingly called Leeann Dempster which was the hair that broke the camel's back. He wasn't sacked but it was a case of bye bye or the press and public will know everything you've been up to and saying.
I hope he comes nowhere near our club again, took us backwards instead of forwards after that great 6 months he had.
bordergreen
12-12-2021, 12:07 PM
Please not Lennon. Are people forgetting him not doing media interviews because he was in the huff. Bizarre team selections because he was in the huff. Suspicious timing of his fall out at hibs and appointment at Celtic. Thought he was too good for us. No thanks, nothing to see here, let's move on...
B.H.F.C
12-12-2021, 12:08 PM
It was buzzing for 4 months when he got Allan, McGinn and Mcgeouch in the same team. I admit for that period it was unbelievable and I thought we were going to the next level and could beat anyone.
The following season was anything but buzzing. He brought in a load of players and played such boring possession football with us rarely looking like we were going to score. His last 14 games for us were shocking and the record in those speak for themselves.
It looked like he never had a clue how to get us a goal.
Don’t really want him back here but I always thought it was better for more than just the four months. First half of that season we beat Hearts, won at Ibrox and went toe to toe with Celtic at Parkhead when they were 60 odd games unbeaten. Championship season was a bit dull, much as it was in the seasons previously, but we did the job, pumping Hearts out of the cup was the obvious highlight. Delivered the two best European performances from a Hibs side in recent history (Brondby away even thought we got beat and Asteras). No that they counted for much but it made the trips a lot more worthwhile.
cabbageandribs1875
12-12-2021, 12:11 PM
some dude on a fb hibs group saying Derek McInnes getting interviewed next week, wonder if that's just out of courtesy
Smartie
12-12-2021, 12:11 PM
Chelsea have had hiddink in twice.
Big clubs in England don't often sack managers mid season and immediately appoint the replacement, unless it's a very high profile one such as Klopp or tuchel. It does happen of course, but there is examples of interim managers doing good jobs too.
Stubbs and Mowbray both appointed summer, both went to other clubs. Both successes.
Just my opinion that coming in mid season you're immediately up against it to get ideas across. 5/6 friendlies and league Cup ties to try things for a new manager definitely helps.
I agree that a managerial change mid season is a symptom of failure - and one that is likely to leave a successor under pressure.
Key West
12-12-2021, 12:12 PM
Emma Hayes.
Well I've moved on now - just looking forward to the next manager and what that brings.
Yes me too, looking at all the opinions on here from all the fans just makes me laugh because they will influence nobody, but it's fun stuff to read 😊
Iain G
12-12-2021, 12:16 PM
Agree with every word.
It's good to see so many other fans are behind the idea.
Ah humour 😁
Wait, 2 minutes ago the board were to ignore fans online
And they will
Smartie
12-12-2021, 12:18 PM
I can’t help but think this group of players needs Neil Lennon in the same way that Fenlon’s players needed Terry Butcher.
JimBHibees
12-12-2021, 12:32 PM
I also don’t understand the ambition chat about Lennon. He didn’t show much of it when he won 2 in 14 games and started acting like the job didn’t mean a thing to him, unless we were playing one of the Glasgow two of course.
He’s a clown and we could do without the circus he brings with him.
Yep more baggage than a 747. :greengrin
CockneyRebel
12-12-2021, 12:32 PM
I can’t say I have much recollection of his early days, all I remember is his teams being very aggressive, going a goal up and killing the game. That’s not going to go down well with us.
In his first 2/3 seasons at Aberdeen he/they signed some excellent players and the team played some fast expansive football. As Aberdeen shortened the purse strings he had to make do with lesser talent. I expect that this is what gradually led to the more "industrial" style everyone associates him with now. If that style is his way of doing the best with what the club can afford then that is him doing his job. If he is still inclined to play that way then he is not the man for me, but if his personal choice would be to mix up the two styles a bit then just maybe he is the right man at this time.
I am not punting him for the job, just giving an opinion based on all of his time at Aberdeen to keep things more in perspective.
GordonHFC
12-12-2021, 12:43 PM
some dude on a fb hibs group saying Derek McInnes getting interviewed next week, wonder if that's just out of courtesy
No he isn't.
WhileTheChief..
12-12-2021, 12:46 PM
It was buzzing for 4 months when he got Allan, McGinn and Mcgeouch in the same team. I admit for that period it was unbelievable and I thought we were going to the next level and could beat anyone.
The following season was anything but buzzing. He brought in a load of players and played such boring possession football with us rarely looking like we were going to score. His last 14 games for us were shocking and the record in those speak for themselves.
It looked like he never had a clue how to get us a goal.
We beat Celtic 2-0 and drew with Rangers twice the month before he left, I’d take some of that again!
We also won 4 or 5 on the bounce earlier in the season.
SHODAN
12-12-2021, 12:47 PM
Emma Hayes.
Why not?
Silky
12-12-2021, 12:48 PM
He’s a manager from the dark ages.
That's true. However, we've tried managers from the more modern era in Hecky and Ross. And they y didn't last long. Maybe there's something to be said for these dark ages coaches!!
Vault Boy
12-12-2021, 12:49 PM
Emma Hayes.
Might be out of our wage range. Even if she's not, doesn't sound like she'd fancy it. :greengrin
"I just don’t know why anybody would ever think that women’s football is a step down — if coaching World Cup champions, winners, players who have represented their country in the Olympics or European championship is a step down from anything."
- On speculation about AFC Wimbledon men's being interested in her.
Unseen work
12-12-2021, 12:51 PM
No he isn't.
Do you know who is?
I personally would be happy with McInnes. Think some don’t realise how good a job he done at Aberdeen
Since452
12-12-2021, 12:56 PM
Do you know who is?
I personally would be happy with McInnes. Think some don’t realise how good a job he done at Aberdeen
Getting McInnes in is a no brainer
Getting McInnes in is a no brainer
I don’t understand why. Ross was sacked because third place wasn’t good enough. Because the style of play wasn’t good enough. Because his record in big games wasn’t good enough. Mcinnes doesn’t do any better than Ross on those criteria.
Iain G
12-12-2021, 01:05 PM
I don’t understand why. Ross was sacked because third place wasn’t good enough. Because the style of play wasn’t good enough. Because his record in big games wasn’t good enough. Mcinnes doesn’t do any better than Ross on those criteria.
Surely Jack Ross was sacked as we are on a poor run of results,. Or for any other reason
madhatter
12-12-2021, 01:05 PM
I don’t understand why. Ross was sacked because third place wasn’t good enough. Because the style of play wasn’t good enough. Be sure his record in big games wasn’t good enough. Mcinnes doesn’t do any better than Ross on those criteria.
Jack Ross was not sacked because 3rd place wasn't good enough. He also wasn't sacked due to the style. He was sacked because we are struggling to win a league game even during a period where we are playing the smallest teams in the league.
He got a contract extension because 3rd was an achievement. That's in the past though.
RossScott1991
12-12-2021, 01:05 PM
Derek Mcinnes after a few stand offish displays vs the old firm and one bad run would have all the terms thrown at him. “Bottle merchant” “eye bleeding” “loser in big games” and would be hounded out by this fan base
madhatter
12-12-2021, 01:08 PM
Derek Mcinnes after a few stand offish displays vs the old firm and one bad run would have all the terms thrown at him. “Bottle merchant” “eye bleeding” “loser in big games” and would be hounded out by this fan base
Never the manager's fault, always the fan's fault. Get the impression some fans want to brush Newell's hair (one of the players through poor performances that got Jack Ross the sack) all while pointing fingers at the fans.
Anybody call Ron Gordon and say "Get him sacked"? Just asking, I'd like to pass his number on to Michael Stewart. Heard he knows a lot about running a football club.
Iain G
12-12-2021, 01:14 PM
Never the manager's fault, always the fan's fault. Get the impression some fans want to brush Newell's hair (one of the players through poor performances that got Jack Ross the sack) all while pointing fingers at the fans.
Anybody call Ron Gordon and say "Get him sacked"? Just asking, I'd like to pass his number on to Michael Stewart. Heard he knows a lot about running a football club.
Could you translate this please as I don't get what you are trying to say, other than Joe Newell has nice hair?! 🤣
Silky
12-12-2021, 01:15 PM
Jack Ross was not sacked because 3rd place wasn't good enough. He also wasn't sacked due to the style. He was sacked because we are struggling to win a league game even during a period where we are playing the smallest teams in the league.
He got a contract extension because 3rd was an achievement. That's in the past though.
So is McInnes' period at Aberdeen, yet he's being discounted because of his past! Either the past matters or it doesn't?
B.H.F.C
12-12-2021, 01:19 PM
I don’t understand why. Ross was sacked because third place wasn’t good enough. Because the style of play wasn’t good enough. Because his record in big games wasn’t good enough. Mcinnes doesn’t do any better than Ross on those criteria.
Think you’ve missed (conveniently) the most important reason there.
madhatter
12-12-2021, 01:19 PM
Could you translate this please as I don't get what you are trying to say, other than Joe Newell has nice hair?! 🤣
Fairly simply. People are pointing fingers at fans for getting Jack Ross sacked. Barely seen much actually mentioned about recent failure of players and manager. I mean using "hounded" for Jack Ross is just ridiculous.
According to fans at Livi it was Livi fans that sung the sacked songs. Hibs fans booed as they normally do and left. Hardly a hounding.
Most people seem to have been on the fence. Can understand why he is gone but would've been happy for him to get the cup final. Again, hardly a hounding.
madhatter
12-12-2021, 01:25 PM
So is McInnes' period at Aberdeen, yet he's being discounted because of his past! Either the past matters or it doesn't?
I don't like McInnes. He speaks well as a pundit but still don't think he'd be a good candidate.
Talking about the past like this is silly. We should get Butcher in because of his time at Inverness then. McInnes did well at Aberdeen let's get him. Let's forget the fact Butcher was garbage at Hibs and Aberdeen fans wanted rid of McInnes.
cabbageandribs1875
12-12-2021, 01:28 PM
No he isn't.
ah ok, cheers Ron :greengrin
superfurryhibby
12-12-2021, 01:28 PM
Fairly simply. People are pointing fingers at fans for getting Jack Ross sacked. Barely seen much actually mentioned about recent failure of players and manager. I mean using "hounded" for Jack Ross is just ridiculous.
According to fans at Livi it was Livi fans that sung the sacked songs. Hibs fans booed as they normally do and left. Hardly a hounding.
Most people seem to have been on the fence. Can understand why he is gone but would've been happy for him to get the cup final. Again, hardly a hounding.
I agree, Ross’s “hounding” seems to have ranged from the mild- moderate to non-existent to me. Ross has gone for reasons well documented. Most of them have nothing to do with fans and everything to do with his bad management.
badabing67
12-12-2021, 01:31 PM
Just a curiosity and I have not seen it mentioned anywhere else, but now that Ross is gone does this mean Mathie could come back. The circumstances around his dismissal have not been fully explained by the club, and i have not seen much throwing light on the situation in the media since. Was the problem with Mathie and Ross or was it more deep rooted at the club. I know the last transfer window didn't end the way we would of wanted, but overall i thought he done a descent job. The current situation leaves not just manager less but also without a head of recruitment or have i missed something.
ahibby
12-12-2021, 01:39 PM
He was sacked by Aberdeen because the fans hated his style of football, would he not be seen as out of the frying pan into the fire for a lot of hibs fans?
He beat us to a couple of signings yet ciild neither beat us nor finish above us. Hadca similar poor run to us zt the end of last season. Cant see hin getting the job.
ahibby
12-12-2021, 01:44 PM
Just a curiosity and I have not seen it mentioned anywhere else, but now that Ross is gone does this mean Mathie could come back. The circumstances around his dismissal have not been fully explained by the club, and i have not seen much throwing light on the situation in the media since. Was the problem with Mathie and Ross or was it more deep rooted at the club. I know the last transfer window didn't end the way we would of wanted, but overall i thought he done a descent job. The current situation leaves not just manager less but also without a head of recruitment or have i missed something.
I guess we will get opinions. If what Ive read is true which was that Mathie convinced RG to give JR a new contract When Mathie became no longer required it was only a matter of time until JR followed. Based on that I doubt Ross influenced the Mathie decision.
badabing67
12-12-2021, 01:56 PM
I guess we will get opinions. If what Ive read is true which was that Mathie convinced RG to give JR a new contract When Mathie became no longer required it was only a matter of time until JR followed. Based on that I doubt Ross influenced the Mathie decision.
This just shows how little we know of what is going on at the club and the timing of these developments are truly shocking imo. Why would the head of recruitment be no longer required when he was, surely the best timing would of been at the end of the last window, so a replacement could be put in place. These actions at this time has put the club in a serious position which is going to be really hard to get right. This really feels out of control to me
ahibby
12-12-2021, 02:09 PM
This just shows how little we know of what is going on at the club and the timing of these developments are truly shocking imo. Why would the head of recruitment be no longer required when he was, surely the best timing would of been at the end of the last window, so a replacement could be put in place. These actions at this time has put the club in a serious position which is going to be really hard to get right. This really feels out of control to me
We know, I think, the reasons for both Mathie and JR departures. BK is probably looking after the Mathie function and SDG and EM are more than capable if taking the reins for a wee while. The next Head Coach appointment should tell us whether RG and BK are shrewd or reckless.
GordonHFC
12-12-2021, 02:09 PM
Do you know who is?
I personally would be happy with McInnes. Think some don’t realise how good a job he done at Aberdeen
Not near interview stage yet.
LustForLeith
12-12-2021, 02:15 PM
Lennon until the end of the season
Announced tomorrow
bigwheel
12-12-2021, 02:16 PM
Not near interview stage yet.
Would underline how knee jerk the decision to exit Ross was
Vault Boy
12-12-2021, 02:19 PM
Lennon until the end of the season
Announced tomorrow
If we can't ID a manager we're happy with for the long-term, I'd prefer we hire one until the end of the season than commit to somebody we're not sure about.
I'd be concerned if this were true and it was a multiple year contract, but I honestly think it's a decent idea for an interim position.
Reliable source?
madhatter
12-12-2021, 02:19 PM
Lennon until the end of the season
Announced tomorrow
Surely not...
Coco Bryce
12-12-2021, 02:19 PM
Not near interview stage yet.
How do you know this?
Hibs will be doing the business things in the background and certainly won't be telling the media their intentions.
Heisenberg
12-12-2021, 02:21 PM
Surely the Lennon stuff hasn’t all come from this tweet? Guys a windup merchant.
https://twitter.com/louis1875zz/status/1469818077248430087?s=21
Vault Boy
12-12-2021, 02:25 PM
Surely the Lennon stuff hasn’t all come from this tweet? Guys a windup merchant.
https://twitter.com/louis1875zz/status/1469818077248430087?s=21
Lol, shocker if so. Well known talker of *****.
badabing67
12-12-2021, 02:25 PM
We know, I think, the reasons for both Mathie and JR departures. BK is probably looking after the Mathie function and SDG and EM are more than capable if taking the reins for a wee while. The next Head Coach appointment should tell us whether RG and BK are shrewd or reckless.
I'm not sure of the true reason's behind there departures, up until the last window both had done well to get us where we were imo. You are right about SDG and EM and they will have our full support. But RG and BK have put us in a position where we will have 3 people in 3 key positions at the club. That is Head of Academy, Head of Recruitment and 1st Team Coach all likely to be new to the club. To get that right in a sort period of time would be more than shrewd imo. A biblical miracle is what's required here. I got my fingers crossed for you Ron and Ben.
bigwheel
12-12-2021, 02:29 PM
I'm not sure of the true reason's behind there departures, up until the last window both had done well to get us where we were imo. You are right about SDG and EM and they will have our full support. But RG and BK have put us in a position where we will have 3 people in 3 key positions the club. That is Head of Academy, Head of Recruitment and 1st Team Coach all likely to be new top the club. To get that right in a sort period of time would be more than shrewd imo. A biblical miracle is what's required here. I think anyway. |Got my fingers crossed for you Ron and Ben.
RGs son seems to be our senior recruitment leader nowadays….
Allant1981
12-12-2021, 02:30 PM
Surely the Lennon stuff hasn’t all come from this tweet? Guys a windup merchant.
https://twitter.com/louis1875zz/status/1469818077248430087?s=21
his mates will be on to back him up as in the know soon, happened in the summer as well im sure
lord bunberry
12-12-2021, 02:30 PM
In his first 2/3 seasons at Aberdeen he/they signed some excellent players and the team played some fast expansive football. As Aberdeen shortened the purse strings he had to make do with lesser talent. I expect that this is what gradually led to the more "industrial" style everyone associates him with now. If that style is his way of doing the best with what the club can afford then that is him doing his job. If he is still inclined to play that way then he is not the man for me, but if his personal choice would be to mix up the two styles a bit then just maybe he is the right man at this time.
I am not punting him for the job, just giving an opinion based on all of his time at Aberdeen to keep things more in perspective.
I suppose the problem with that is his budget even in the latter years was always bigger than ours. He’d have less money to spend at hibs than he had at Aberdeen. He wouldn’t be my first choice and I also think he’s got a similar philosophy to Ross.
badabing67
12-12-2021, 02:30 PM
RGs son seems to be our senior recruitment leader nowadays….
Is that official
madhatter
12-12-2021, 02:34 PM
Is that official
Not as far as I'm aware but club have been guarding against saying it because of what went on with Graeme Mathie.
I'm sure there was a slip up on the website listing him as head of something. It was removed swiftly if I remember correctly.
davhibby
12-12-2021, 02:35 PM
If Lennon came back I’d honestly be considering whether or not I’d be going back this season. The football was great for half a season and even then he managed to make a mess of it in the last 3 games that cost us 2nd. The rest of his time ranged from mediocre to awful with the odd good result against the old firm to mask that fact.
McInnes would be very poor as well unless getting sacked by Aberdeen has made him change his style completely. Don’t fancy watching us play with 8 defenders on the park any time we play a top 6 team.
I really hope they take some time to look at options elsewhere instead of picking from the same old list of managers just because they know Scottish football.
bigwheel
12-12-2021, 02:36 PM
Is that official
Think it is well understood - never been a formal announcement, other than a clumsy update to the website which was quickly taken down ..but it is well known inside the club
JimBHibees
12-12-2021, 02:37 PM
Lennon until the end of the season
Announced tomorrow
Hopefully not the case
JimBHibees
12-12-2021, 02:40 PM
If Lennon came back I’d honestly be considering whether or not I’d be going back this season. The football was great for half a season and even then he managed to make a mess of it in the last 3 games that cost us 2nd. The rest of his time ranged from mediocre to awful with the odd good result against the old firm to mask that fact.
McInnes would be very poor as well unless getting sacked by Aberdeen has made him change his style completely. Don’t fancy watching us play with 8 defenders on the park any time we play a top 6 team.
I really hope they take some time to look at options elsewhere instead of picking from the same old list of managers just because they know Scottish football.
Who are you expecting exactly? No way would McInnes be playing with 8 defenders.
B.H.F.C
12-12-2021, 02:42 PM
I’d honestly be astounded if Lennon was back with us.
I liked him most of the time, I just think there are too many don’t like him and it wouldn’t be a good idea.
Iain G
12-12-2021, 02:43 PM
I’d honestly be astounded if Lennon was back with us.
I liked him most of the time, I just think there are too many don’t like him and it wouldn’t be a good idea.
And we need a new permanent head coach to build on what we have and navigate the transfer window, not a short term stop gap
B.H.F.C
12-12-2021, 02:45 PM
And we need a new permanent head coach to build on what we have and navigate the transfer window, not a short term stop gap
At this point in the season we just need someone to turn us round and get us going more than anything. I don’t think we’re going to fix our long term problems in January.
davhibby
12-12-2021, 02:49 PM
Who are you expecting exactly? No way would McInnes be playing with 8 defenders.
If those were my only options I’d have Jack Ross over both every day of the week. Thankfully there are lots of managers who will see the Hibs job as a good opportunity so it’s the boards job to go and find someone who’ll be an improvement on Ross and not a step back.
Gordy M
12-12-2021, 02:51 PM
At this point in the season we just need someone to turn us round and get us going more than anything. I don’t think we’re going to fix our long term problems in January.
Whilst i agree, i do think with everyone fit, we have a very decent squad. Someone to get us playing with some confidence would do us the world of good.....and very competitive in this league. I genuiniely dont think we are that far away.
greenlex
12-12-2021, 02:52 PM
Whilst i agree, i do think with everyone fit, we have a very decent squad. Someone to get us playing with some confidence would do us the world of good.....and very competitive in this league. I genuiniely dont think we are that far away.
Agreed. A win or two would do us the world of good.
lord bunberry
12-12-2021, 02:54 PM
If those were my only options I’d have Jack Ross over both every day of the week. Thankfully there are lots of managers who will see the Hibs job as a good opportunity so it’s the boards job to go and find someone who’ll be an improvement on Ross and not a step back.
In the meantime our season goes down the pan. I don’t want Lennon back but I’d take Stubbs until the end of the season. The timing of this and the lack of a plan to have a replacement ready is negligent and worrying.
madhatter
12-12-2021, 02:58 PM
In the meantime our season goes down the pan. I don’t want Lennon back but I’d take Stubbs until the end of the season. The timing of this and the lack of a plan to have a replacement ready is negligent and worrying.
Do we actually know there isn't a plan? Might not be a good plan but one might exist. Just because we didn't announce new manager the day after Jack Ross left doesn't mean we are clueless. Might be negotiating contracts. Who knows...
Smartie
12-12-2021, 03:00 PM
At this point in the season we just need someone to turn us round and get us going more than anything. I don’t think we’re going to fix our long term problems in January.
We could fix a good few of our short term ones though.
And a lot of our current problems are short term.
I'll form an opinion on the long term when we appoint a new head coach.
Win the cup, patch up the team, scrape up the league and into Europe, cup run in the Scottish, let the new guy suss out the current squad between now and the end of the season - job's a good 'un.
greenginger
12-12-2021, 03:03 PM
Do we actually know there isn't a plan? Might not be a good plan but one might exist. Just because we didn't announce new manager the day after Jack Ross left doesn't mean we are clueless. Might be negotiating contracts. Who knows...
It certainly wouldn’t have looked good if we had been negotiating a contract with a new manager with Ross still in position.
These things always leak.
Callum_62
12-12-2021, 03:04 PM
In the meantime our season goes down the pan. I don’t want Lennon back but I’d take Stubbs until the end of the season. The timing of this and the lack of a plan to have a replacement ready is negligent and worrying.We have no idea if there isn't a plan
Something might be annouced next week - we have no idea
I hope to hell it isn't a manager who's only managed 25 games in 5 1/2 years though
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Hibeewilly
12-12-2021, 03:07 PM
I’d honestly be astounded if Lennon was back with us.
I liked him most of the time, I just think there are too many don’t like him and it wouldn’t be a good idea.
I'd take Neil Lennon in a flash. He knows the club, gets our expectations as supporters and personally I've never felt more confident going to Glasgow to play the old firm with him in charge. Plus he defended our Club in the media when required. I'd give him till the end of the season
B.H.F.C
12-12-2021, 03:13 PM
In the meantime our season goes down the pan. I don’t want Lennon back but I’d take Stubbs until the end of the season. The timing of this and the lack of a plan to have a replacement ready is negligent and worrying.
What if the change is what stops it going down the pan?
Didn’t exactly look like we were turning it round on Wednesday.
bingo70
12-12-2021, 03:23 PM
In the meantime our season goes down the pan. I don’t want Lennon back but I’d take Stubbs until the end of the season. The timing of this and the lack of a plan to have a replacement ready is negligent and worrying.
We only sacked Ross on Thursday and had a game on Saturday, I don’t get where this chat of lack of a plan is coming from?
If we’re still without a manager in a fortnight I’ll possibly agree.
The Modfather
12-12-2021, 03:26 PM
I’d rather have kept Ross than appoint Lennon short term. Lennon on a 6 month deal would be as much about Lennon keeping himself relevant as it would be a short term means to an end for us IMO.
Unseen work
12-12-2021, 03:27 PM
I honestly feel a bit sorry for whoever takes the job as they’re on a hiding to nothing with some of our support.
We have the 5th biggest budget in the league yet are expected to finish 3rd, win cups and play amazing football. Whilst they’re doing this they need to promote youngsters into the team, speak well in the media and at no point be boring. Oh also whilst were playing amazing, attacking and free flowing football we also need to be solid defensively or will be branded a big band again.
What some people are asking for is difficult even for the best clubs in the world.
Even getting to the latter stages of the cups isn’t good enough for some.
To get a manager capable of doing everything some want is nearly impossible.
I appreciate this isn’t the overall consensus of Hibs fans and the majority are a bit more realistic and just want an exciting team that competes in the top 4 and takes games to the opposition.
tamig
12-12-2021, 03:27 PM
We beat Celtic 2-0 and drew with Rangers twice the month before he left, I’d take some of that again!
We also won 4 or 5 on the bounce earlier in the season.
You seem to be airbrushing much of his time here - especially the final 2-3 months. That balls out the hat lineup at Rugby Park. What was that about?
The Captain....
12-12-2021, 03:28 PM
Lennon, whatever your feelings on the man and manager would be a hugely divisive choice even as interim.
There's things about his time here I really liked..we weren't anyone's mugs, were aggressive and showed some ambition to move forward.
On the flip side there always seems to be a moment where he self sabotages. It's meant in his last two jobs fans couldn't wait to see him out the door and the period where that's happening has been poisonous at both Hibs and Celtic.
I just don't see the upside outweighing the risks. It would be an appt that shows me we have no idea where we are going as a club.
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madhatter
12-12-2021, 03:34 PM
I honestly feel a bit sorry for whoever takes the job as they’re on a hiding to nothing with some of our support.
We have the 5th biggest budget in the league yet are expected to finish 3rd, win cups and play amazing football. Whilst they’re doing this they need to promote youngsters into the team, speak well in the media and at no point be boring. Oh also whilst were playing amazing, attacking and free flowing football we also need to be solid defensively or will be branded a big band again.
What some people are asking for is difficult even for the best clubs in the world.
Even getting to the latter stages of the cups isn’t good enough for some.
To get a manager capable of doing everything some want is nearly impossible.
I appreciate this isn’t the overall consensus of Hibs fans and the majority are a bit more realistic and just want an exciting team that competes in the top 4 and takes games to the opposition.
Feel sorry for someone who takes a well paid job? They aren't volunteering to be Hibs manager. They aren't doing us a favour. Fair enough if you feel this way but for me it's like giving a manager an excuse before he's even started.
Libby Hibby
12-12-2021, 03:35 PM
We only sacked Ross on Thursday and had a game on Saturday, I don’t get where this chat of lack of a plan is coming from?
If we’re still without a manager in a fortnight I’ll possibly agree.
Agreed.
I spoke to someone yesterday connected with the club that said JR was given Ross County, Motherwell and Livi to sort out our league form or he would be sacked.
BK was true to his word.
Not having a manager in place does not show lack of a plan imo. If so, there are so many clubs with a ‘lack of plan’ going by how many caretaker managers there are.
The Modfather
12-12-2021, 03:37 PM
I honestly feel a bit sorry for whoever takes the job as they’re on a hiding to nothing with some of our support.
We have the 5th biggest budget in the league yet are expected to finish 3rd, win cups and play amazing football. Whilst they’re doing this they need to promote youngsters into the team, speak well in the media and at no point be boring. Oh also whilst were playing amazing, attacking and free flowing football we also need to be solid defensively or will be branded a big band again.
What some people are asking for is difficult even for the best clubs in the world.
Even getting to the latter stages of the cups isn’t good enough for some.
To get a manager capable of doing everything some want is nearly impossible.
I appreciate this isn’t the overall consensus of Hibs fans and the majority are a bit more realistic and just want an exciting team that competes in the top 4 and takes games to the opposition.
Is the new man really on a hiding to nothing if the majority are more realistic and just want an exciting front foot team that competes for the top 4?
badabing67
12-12-2021, 03:55 PM
I’d rather have kept Ross than appoint Lennon short term. Lennon on a 6 month deal would be as much about Lennon keeping himself relevant as it would be a short term means to an end for us IMO.
If it works for both parties what's the problem with that.
JXM73
12-12-2021, 04:35 PM
Lennon until the end of the season
Announced tomorrow
Season ticket returned tomorrow, but thankfully you're talking *****
Danderhall Hibs
12-12-2021, 04:43 PM
We only sacked Ross on Thursday and had a game on Saturday, I don’t get where this chat of lack of a plan is coming from?
If we’re still without a manager in a fortnight I’ll possibly agree.
We’re in the middle of the busiest schedule we’ll have all season with a cup final in the middle of that. If you’re going to sack the manager you need to plan for that - we’ve either sacked him on a whim with no plan or had a poor plan in the first place.
timewilltell
12-12-2021, 04:44 PM
If Lennon came back I’d honestly be considering whether or not I’d be going back this season. The football was great for half a season and even then he managed to make a mess of it in the last 3 games that cost us 2nd. The rest of his time ranged from mediocre to awful with the odd good result against the old firm to mask that fact.
McInnes would be very poor as well unless getting sacked by Aberdeen has made him change his style completely. Don’t fancy watching us play with 8 defenders on the park any time we play a top 6 team.
I really hope they take some time to look at options elsewhere instead of picking from the same old list of managers just because they know Scottish football.
Who would you suggest? Genuine question.
Hibiza
12-12-2021, 04:45 PM
Think it will be someone left field that'll leave us saying " who " .
bingo70
12-12-2021, 04:54 PM
We’re in the middle of the busiest schedule we’ll have all season with a cup final in the middle of that. If you’re going to sack the manager you need to plan for that - we’ve either sacked him on a whim with no plan or had a poor plan in the first place.
Why? We only sacked him on Thursday. It’s been no time at all.
lord bunberry
12-12-2021, 04:54 PM
Do we actually know there isn't a plan? Might not be a good plan but one might exist. Just because we didn't announce new manager the day after Jack Ross left doesn't mean we are clueless. Might be negotiating contracts. Who knows...
We have no idea if there isn't a plan
Something might be annouced next week - we have no idea
I hope to hell it isn't a manager who's only managed 25 games in 5 1/2 years though
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We only sacked Ross on Thursday and had a game on Saturday, I don’t get where this chat of lack of a plan is coming from?
If we’re still without a manager in a fortnight I’ll possibly agree.
Maybe I’m wrong and we do have a clear plan in place, but the statement said that SDG would be in charge for the foreseeable future. That doesn’t sound to me like we have a new manager lined up, but maybe I’m reading too much into it.
Danderhall Hibs
12-12-2021, 04:57 PM
Why? We only sacked him on Thursday. It’s been no time at all.
Due to the schedule we’re managerless for more games while we wait. Normally you’d sack at the international break or have someone standing in the club shop trying a tracksuit on.
bingo70
12-12-2021, 05:03 PM
Due to the schedule we’re managerless for more games while we wait. Normally you’d sack at the international break or have someone standing in the club shop trying a tracksuit on.
I don’t remember that ever happening with Hibs let alone it being the norm.
I will give you that if time passes and we don’t have a replacement lined up then I’ll agree that’s poor.
When we sacked someone Thursday though, even if we had the replacement lined up, I think it’s reasonable for it to take a few days to get them in.
Keith_M
12-12-2021, 05:03 PM
You seem to be airbrushing much of his time here - especially the final 2-3 months. That balls out the hat lineup at Rugby Park. What was that about?
People tend to pick and choose games to make their point. For instance, we could selectively choose his last fourteen games in charge L - D - L - L - D - L - D - W - W - D - D - D - L - L
We could also point out that he was in charge the day we lost 3-1 at home to QOTS, and when we were knocked out of the cup by Hearts.
But I'm not petty, so I wouldn't do that :wink:
Callum_62
12-12-2021, 05:05 PM
Thing other thing I like about Mcinnes is he showed some loyalty and staying power at Aberdeen
During his most successful period of sure he had chances to move o
If we want someone in to drive a long term vision then I like what he has shown previously
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Danderhall Hibs
12-12-2021, 05:06 PM
I don’t remember that ever happening with Hibs let alone it being the norm.
I will give you that if time passes and we don’t have a replacement lined up then I’ll agree that’s poor.
When we sacked someone Thursday though, even if we had the replacement lined up, I think it’s reasonable for it to take a few days to get them in.
It’s a new normal at Hibs though.
Other clubs generally do international break and Hearts had Jefferies hanging about til the other boy emptied his desk.
B.H.F.C
12-12-2021, 05:10 PM
It’s a new normal at Hibs though.
Other clubs generally do international break and Hearts had Jefferies hanging about til the other boy emptied his desk.
Might be an idea to sack someone at an international break but it’s not what ‘usually’ happens. One of the biggest clubs in the world have just had an interim manager replace the interim manager. Ross wasn’t appointed during an international break and neither was Heckingbottom before that.
loanheadhibby
12-12-2021, 05:33 PM
I’d rather have kept Ross than appoint Lennon short term. Lennon on a 6 month deal would be as much about Lennon keeping himself relevant as it would be a short term means to an end for us IMO.
I feel Ross was harshly treated but you can’t ignore results. We are absolutely toiling and JR had not shown anything that suggests he’d turn it round.
Lennon is self centred egotistical twat at times but I’d rather give him another shot than stick with JR.
We need to get the fans back on board and get a buzz around Hibs again. It’s just so flat.
Danderhall Hibs
12-12-2021, 05:33 PM
Might be an idea to sack someone at an international break but it’s not what ‘usually’ happens. One of the biggest clubs in the world have just had an interim manager replace the interim manager. Ross wasn’t appointed during an international break and neither was Heckingbottom before that.
You’ve given one example to make your case - usually doesn’t mean all the time, just what happens more frequently.
Aston Villa sacked Smith and appointed Gerrard, Norwich sacked ****e and appointed Smith both at the last international break.
We should’ve had someone lined up so we’re not managerless for numerous matches.
04Sauzee
12-12-2021, 05:37 PM
Still not convinced McInnes is the man for Hibs but with a win record of over 53% with Aberdeen you would think he'd make us difficult to beat.
Danderhall Hibs
12-12-2021, 05:42 PM
Still not convinced McInnes is the man for Hibs but with a win record of over 53% with Aberdeen you would think he'd make us difficult to beat.
Ross had a 54% win record last season. It’s not all about winning.
greenlex
12-12-2021, 05:44 PM
Thing other thing I like about Mcinnes is he showed some loyalty and staying power at Aberdeen
During his most successful period of sure he had chances to move o
If we want someone in to drive a long term vision then I like what he has shown previously
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Problem is he is unlikely to make that same mistake again.
04Sauzee
12-12-2021, 05:46 PM
Ross had a 54% win record last season. It’s not all about winning.
It's not all about winning which is why I'm torn about having McInnes as the next HC, that's even if he's being considered.
McInnes was 53% over a good number of years
Gmack7
12-12-2021, 05:51 PM
Hopefully there's more in the frame than Lennon and McInnes
CLASS OF 72 -73
12-12-2021, 05:54 PM
Ross had a 54% win record last season. It’s not all about winning.
I know you can only play what's in front of you and i will seem like a glass half empty but our 3rd spot was helped by no Hearts and an unusually pish Aberdeen.
Iain G
12-12-2021, 05:55 PM
I know you can only play what's in front of you and i will seem like a glass half empty but our 3rd spot was helped by no Hearts and an unusually pish Aberdeen.
And an unusually decent Hibs team.
B.H.F.C
12-12-2021, 05:57 PM
You’ve given one example to make your case - usually doesn’t mean all the time, just what happens more frequently.
Aston Villa sacked Smith and appointed Gerrard, Norwich sacked ****e and appointed Smith both at the last international break.
We should’ve had someone lined up so we’re not managerless for numerous matches.
So like you, you’ve given one example. Give me all the others on managers being sacked when it’s an international break. For every one you give I’ll be able to go a away and get one that isn’t.
We’ve not done anything different in sacking this manager than we have in sacking previous managers. Hibs in my memory have never been particularly quick at appointing a replacement. You’re just upset about Jack so you’re giving them a bit stick by continuing to pretend his sacking was in completely different circumstances.
Alfiembra
12-12-2021, 05:58 PM
Someone that I don’t think has been mentioned is John Doolan I think he would be a great appointment for us, knows the club inside out and got a great reputation bringing on the youngsters at Everton.
LeithMike
12-12-2021, 06:00 PM
And an unusually decent Hibs team.
Nothing like supporting your team by suggesting we only did well as everyone else was pish.Are you not just advocating blind loyalty? 3rd was a good achievement, especially clinching it up on Aberdeen but no way was that a great Hibs side. That was shown a number of times throughout the season and has probably been proven by what's happened this season.
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Allant1981
12-12-2021, 06:02 PM
Someone that I don’t think has been mentioned is John Doolan I think he would be a great appointment for us, knows the club inside out and got a great reputation bringing on the youngsters at Everton.
When was john doolan at Everton? He went to accrington stanley after us did he not and before us was at wigan
Alfiembra
12-12-2021, 06:03 PM
When was john doolan at Everton? He went to accrington stanley after us did he not and before us was at wigan
He’s there right now AFAIK
jeffers
12-12-2021, 06:03 PM
On the face of it sacking Ross with no one lined up might seem a bad decision, but maybe the feeling was he wasn’t turning it round and SDG couldn’t do any worse…..
Iain G
12-12-2021, 06:05 PM
On the face of it sacking Ross with no one lined up might seem a bad decision, but maybe the feeling was he wasn’t turning it round and SDG couldn’t do any worse…..
The closer to the final we get with no new head coach, the least sensible the decision is going to get.
madhatter
12-12-2021, 06:08 PM
The closer to the final we get with no new head coach, the least sensible the decision is going to get.
Why? The club are building for a sustainable future. Not for a league cup final.
Danderhall Hibs
12-12-2021, 06:08 PM
So like you, you’ve given one example. Give me all the others on managers being sacked when it’s an international break. For every one you give I’ll be able to go a away and get one that isn’t.
We’ve not done anything different in sacking this manager than we have in sacking previous managers. Hibs in my memory have never been particularly quick at appointing a replacement. You’re just upset about Jack so you’re giving them a bit stick by continuing to pretend his sacking was in completely different circumstances.
2 examples mate vs your 1.
I’m over the JR thing but disappointed in Hibs plan. Need to get the next guy in asap - we all want to win/play well. The longer we wait the less time he has to assess the players and start getting new guys in.
Smartie
12-12-2021, 06:10 PM
I honestly feel a bit sorry for whoever takes the job as they’re on a hiding to nothing with some of our support.
We have the 5th biggest budget in the league yet are expected to finish 3rd, win cups and play amazing football. Whilst they’re doing this they need to promote youngsters into the team, speak well in the media and at no point be boring. Oh also whilst were playing amazing, attacking and free flowing football we also need to be solid defensively or will be branded a big band again.
What some people are asking for is difficult even for the best clubs in the world.
Even getting to the latter stages of the cups isn’t good enough for some.
To get a manager capable of doing everything some want is nearly impossible.
I appreciate this isn’t the overall consensus of Hibs fans and the majority are a bit more realistic and just want an exciting team that competes in the top 4 and takes games to the opposition.
I agree - and all of these reasons combine to make me think we might struggle to attract a name that the fans would warm to.
Even the likes of Neil and McInnes might look at this job and think it's one best left alone.
bingo70
12-12-2021, 06:12 PM
2 examples mate vs your 1.
I’m over the JR thing but disappointed in Hibs plan. Need to get the next guy in asap - we all want to win/play well. The longer we wait the less time he has to assess the players and start getting new guys in.
The most important thing is we get the right person in.
Ideally they’re in for the Dundee game but if they’re not in until after the final it’s not the end of the world.
Danderhall Hibs
12-12-2021, 06:15 PM
The most important thing is we get the right person in.
Ideally they’re in for the Dundee game but if they’re not in until after the final it’s not the end of the world.
Fingers crossed.
Just checked the EPL sackings this year - 5 have been sacked and 4 at international break.
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