It's been coming. Jack Ross out.

[RCNG]

Time to go. Simply not good enough.

[Jones28]

Annnnnnd they’re off

[AL-Qaholik]

The problem is, the style of football he has us playing and his general demeanour mean that, even when we’re winning, it all feels a bit flat.
Lose 3 on the bounce, including losing to a team who haven’t won in 10 (without a single shot on goal) and knowing he will have nothing remotely inspiring to say or do just makes everything feel more depressing.
I’m not sure he deserves to be fired just yet but I certainly don’t think many of us would miss him if he left.

[lord bunberry]

We’re 5 points off the top of the table and in the league cup semifinal, anyone who thinks we’re going to sack the manager under those circumstances are kidding themselves on. The last 2 games have been dismal but a manager isn’t judged on 2 games.

[mcfly]

It’s not jack Ross fault

This lies in the blame with the recruiting department.

It’s been addressed and they’ve gone but lack of investment is slaughtering us.

No strength in depth. Miss a couple of key players and we’ve collapsed.

Not the managers fault IMO

[lord bunberry]

The problem is, the style of football he has us playing and his general demeanour mean that, even when we’re winning, it all feels a bit flat.
Lose 3 on the bounce, including losing to a team who haven’t won in 10 (without a single shot on goal) and knowing he will have nothing remotely inspiring to say or do just makes everything feel more depressing.
I’m not sure he deserves to be fired just yet but I certainly don’t think many of us would miss him if he left.
I’ve never felt flat after a victory, not once.

[90274]

JR has 13 points from 30 v Aberdeen and Hearts.

[Viva_Palmeiras]

Time to go. Simply not good enough.

And theres a Blue Peter badge for you.

[lord bunberry]

JR has 13 points from 30 v Aberdeen and Hearts.
Why didn’t you just have your username as 1874?

[Viva_Palmeiras]

Annnnnnd they’re off

permission to launch will be granted :)

[SHODAN]

Let me guess, Lennon in?

[bingo70]

He’s not going to be fired and neither he should be.

I’d be quite happy if another club came in for him though. This team bores me to tears. Also think last season will be the peak of what we achieve with Ross. Don’t think we’ll improve or match last season.

[SloopJB]

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I think it’s fair to say it’s been coming, really poor show again.
Pre COVID I thought the strength of the team was highlighted by the strength on the bench where we could make substitutions which would be equal to what we had starting.

Things are far from that now and while JR can blame poor signings in the summer he should still be able to get the team playing as a team and wanting the ball.

[May21/05/216]

The panic merchants are out geez peace I'm a supporter through bad times and good trust me this not that bad we are not on form but I trust the manager but more importantly so does Ron

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[bingo70]

It’s not jack Ross fault

This lies in the blame with the recruiting department.

It’s been addressed and they’ve gone but lack of investment is slaughtering us.

No strength in depth. Miss a couple of key players and we’ve collapsed.

Not the managers fault IMO

Ross gets the credit if we do well though?

Can’t have it both ways.

[GordonHFC]

It’s not jack Ross fault

This lies in the blame with the recruiting department.

It’s been addressed and they’ve gone but lack of investment is slaughtering us.

No strength in depth. Miss a couple of key players and we’ve collapsed.

Not the managers fault IMO

He is part of the recruiting department and has final say on whether we sign a player or not. Do you think those in the recruitment team were sitting on their ***** doing nothing in the summer?

If people think that getting shot of Mathie will solve recruitment issues they had better think again.

[Ozyhibby]

Jack Ross has to stay and we need to be patient.
It’s clear the club recognise the lamentable job Mathie done and have moved to fix it but it’s going to take until January to start fixing it. Ross is the right man to do so.
Our squad is very weak just now, we have far too many injury prone players and too many who are happy to let games go by them. Ross is doing the best he can. He got third last season and would probably have managed the same this season if Mathie hadn’t weakened the squad.


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[HNA4]

Just to put a foot down on this now - if you disagree with a post, feel free to express so, but don't abuse fellow posters in the process.

[Brightside]

Time to go. Simply not good enough.

Who are you.

[matty_f]

Ross gets the credit if we do well though?

Can’t have it both ways.

100% his responsibility.

For me, his record should be enough to keep him in a job but if he left tonight I wouldn’t care less. Baws to watching that every week. Last week, had it been a shocker that we hadn’t seen for a while before a reaction today could be forgivable, but to actually be worse the following week and set up in the sane way. Astonishingly bad stuff.

[Vault Boy]

We're not even close to a serious discussion about this IMO.

There are legitimate concerns, though. Not necessarily squarely about the manager, but about the form of a number of our players, the strength of our squad, and current form.

If it continues for a more significant period then we can circle back to shouts like this one. In the meantime, Ross has earned security in his position.

[bingo70]

Jack Ross has to stay and we need to be patient.
It’s clear the club recognise the lamentable job Mathie done and have moved to fix it but it’s going to take until January to start fixing it. Ross is the right man to do so.
Our squad is very weak just now, we have far too many injury prone players and too many who are happy to let games go by them. Ross is doing the best he can. He got third last season and would probably have managed the same this season if Mathie hadn’t weakened the squad.


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IMO it’s not fair blaming Mathie without knowing the ins and outs of what he did.

For all we know he could have presented dozens of brilliant players to Ross but Ross chose not to pursue them.

[Mon Dieu4]

100% his responsibility.

For me, his record should be enough to keep him in a job but if he left tonight I wouldn’t care less. Baws to watching that every week. Last week, had it been a shocker that we hadn’t seen for a while before a reaction today could be forgivable, but to actually be worse the following week and set up in the sane way. Astonishingly bad stuff.

That's my position too, not actively looking for him to get punted but equally couldn't care less if he was

[matty_f]

Jack Ross has to stay and we need to be patient.
It’s clear the club recognise the lamentable job Mathie done and have moved to fix it but it’s going to take until January to start fixing it. Ross is the right man to do so.
Our squad is very weak just now, we have far too many injury prone players and too many who are happy to let games go by them. Ross is doing the best he can. He got third last season and would probably have managed the same this season if Mathie hadn’t weakened the squad.


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I don’t buy that. The window was bad but you have to be able to get a time out the players you have. Aberdeen played with a patched up team today by the look of it, we didn’t get a shot on target. Again.

Dundee United would take our squad in a heartbeat. You can’t just dismiss it as someone else’s fault.

[GordonHFC]

IMO it’s not fair blaming Mathie without knowing the ins and outs of what he did.

For all we know he could have presented dozens of brilliant players to Ross but Ross chose not to pursue them.

You are not a million miles away with this Bingo.

[A Hi-Bee]

should he stay or should he go......................
Dont really care one way or the other something just not right at Easter Road.

[StockholmHibs]

Meh. Maybe not crisis time but it certainly ain't good. Football on show is poor, crowds are dwindling.
Difficult to change this trend. Make no mistake, we are going backwards! Final and semi final defeats allong with uninspiring football are taking their toll.
Nothing to do with COVD19!

[Wheat Hound]

Im not convinced he should go just now...
however there are serious questions and doubts over his inability to avoid not just defeats but abject, boring and utterly flat performances.

[Heisenberg]

So Ross was given dozens of brilliant players but decided he didn’t want them? Sounds likely.

[madhatter]

Think people forget that even when we had a "good" start to the season we were awarded a few favourable penalties in a couple of games that turned the result in our favour.

I like Jack Ross as a person, seems to come across well but his football is genuinely boring for me. Percentage football. Our attacking play is about putting crosses into the box but we don't really have much physical presence.

We mocked Hearts for "hoof" but we have pretty much become them. Tippy tappy across our defence with Newell and JDH dropping back to assist with this endeavour followed by a "long ball" to the invisible man. Hopefully it will change but the players attitude is starting to tell a story - McGregor getting sent off for that when he's our most experienced player. A couple of head to heads as well. Players are angry but they are also clueless while playing. Manager needs to be under a huge amount of pressure - we can't talk about the match day experience at ER when the style of football has put people off returning. People say it's Covid and getting out of the habit. That is partially the case but if Hibs were playing entertaining football our attendance would be higher, that's just a fact. People may not agree with it but being Hibs manager comes with pressure to play a certain brand of football. Many fans won't come out unless it's like that, sad as it is as it would be nice to have more in ER.

Jack Ross should not get an easier ride than Mathie. He is at the helm of the football department and our football is awful. Mathie is gone, does Jack Ross get another window of signing St Mirren players? I genuinely worry for Hibs if our manager is too friendly with our owner, talking about how to establish businesses and the like...

[Badge]

Jack Ross has to stay and we need to be patient.
It’s clear the club recognise the lamentable job Mathie done and have moved to fix it but it’s going to take until January to start fixing it. Ross is the right man to do so.
Our squad is very weak just now, we have far too many injury prone players and too many who are happy to let games go by them. Ross is doing the best he can. He got third last season and would probably have managed the same this season if Mathie hadn’t weakened the squad.


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How did Mathie weaken the squad? Did he sell all our better players and simply not replace them? I don’t understand how you think he weakened the squad.

[bingo70]

So Ross was given dozens of brilliant players but decided he didn’t want them? Sounds likely.

Don’t know, that’s the point.

Ross likes players that know the Scottish game so it’s not out with the realms of possibility that he chose the likes of James Scott ahead of other players the recruitment team might have found.

[lord bunberry]

should he stay or should he go......................
Dont really care one way or the other something just not right at Easter Road.
What’s not right? Are you saying there’s problems in the squad or with the manager or maybe both. It appears to me that we have a squad that’s quite tight and harmonious and they seem to have respect for the manager.

[Hibiza]

Out or not but Ross is like all or players : overated

[mcfly]

He is part of the recruiting department and has final say on whether we sign a player or not. Do you think those in the recruitment team were sitting on their ***** doing nothing in the summer?

If people think that getting shot of Mathie will solve recruitment issues they had better think again.

If they had done their job we wouldn’t have been panicking on last day of window trying to sign the lad McGrath. Clearly didn’t do their job or they would still be in it.

Something is wrong - performances are poor.

[lord bunberry]

Don’t know, that’s the point.

Ross likes players that know the Scottish game so it’s not out with the realms of possibility that he chose the likes of James Scott ahead of other players the recruitment team might have found.
It’s also not out with the realms of possibility that he didn’t. I don’t see the point of wild speculation about what went on when the guys job is being discussed.

[A Hi-Bee]

What’s not right? Are you saying there’s problems in the squad or with the manager or maybe both. It appears to me that we have a squad that’s quite tight and harmonious and they seem to have respect for the manager.

They aint playing like that now is they.
:greengrin

[big gogs]

Time to go. Simply not good enough.
And who do you suggest is his replacement.

[allmodcons]

Just to put a foot down on this now - if you disagree with a post, feel free to express so, but don't abuse fellow posters in the process.

Even if it's a Jambo phishing?

[Heisenberg]

Don’t know, that’s the point.

Ross likes players that know the Scottish game so it’s not out with the realms of possibility that he chose the likes of James Scott ahead of other players the recruitment team might have found.

Sorry, meant to quote the guy that said you weren’t far wrong. Sounds ridiculous to me.

[madhatter]

If they had done their job we wouldn’t have been panicking on last day of window trying to sign the lad McGrath. Clearly didn’t do their job or they would still be in it.

Something is wrong - performances are poor.

Why are we trying to sign yet another St Mirren player? We've got their kit man, who else are we after? Their chef?

Based on our signings since Jack Ross took over I'd say he's had substantial influence over it. Mathie getting the blame for all of it is just ridiculous. We went from signing players from down south under Heckingbottom to signing Hamilton, St Johnstone and St Mirren players.

[WoreTheGreen]

100% his responsibility.

For me, his record should be enough to keep him in a job but if he left tonight I wouldn’t care less. Baws to watching that every week. Last week, had it been a shocker that we hadn’t seen for a while before a reaction today could be forgivable, but to actually be worse the following week and set up in the sane way. Astonishingly bad stuff.

Quite like Ross but I don’t think he is a good manager the football is boring and uninspiring if he goes tomorrow I for one won’t miss him

[DaveF]

We're not even close to a serious discussion about this ....

Why not?

The team is dull, boring and uninspiring to watch. Selections are questionable as are tactics / game plans.

I know nothing is ever guaranteed but his angry words after last week gave us some hope that the team might have a spark about it this week and that clearly didn't happen.

So is he able to motivate them
Or are the players simply not playing for him anymore?

He has problems and he needs to sort them quickly.

[A Hi-Bee]

And who do you suggest is his replacement.

It would have to be Sam Goodwin would it not?
:greengrin

[big gogs]

Time to go. Simply not good enough.
And you replace him whom.

[jeffers]

If they had done their job we wouldn’t have been panicking on last day of window trying to sign the lad McGrath. Clearly didn’t do their job or they would still be in it.

Something is wrong - performances are poor.

As far as I know McGrath was signing for Boro (I think) but coming to us on a season long loan, the move to sign him happened late on when the Boro deal fell through. So while I think the summer recruitment was woeful - neither Scott or Woods have offered anything so far - I’d give them a break on the McGrath deal.

[lord bunberry]

They aint playing like that now is they.
:greengrin
They’re playing absolutely **** right now. It’s been a really weird season so far with no big games at Easter Road and no fans allowed at ibrox. I’m looking forward to the Celtic game under lights and hibs putting in a big performance.

[bingo70]

It’s also not out with the realms of possibility that he didn’t. I don’t see the point of wild speculation about what went on when the guys job is being discussed.

I agree.

I just don’t think it’s fair blaming Mathie when we don’t know went on behind the scenes. What happens on the pitch is Ross’s responsibility and he will get the credit or the criticism for it.

[B.H.F.C]

He’s not going to be fired and neither he should be.

I’d be quite happy if another club came in for him though. This team bores me to tears. Also think last season will be the peak of what we achieve with Ross. Don’t think we’ll improve or match last season.

We won’t improve this year, we’ll almost definitely get worse.

Feel sorry for him in the sense that he was shafted in the summer. Dreadful last week and we’re looking at Gullan, McGregor and Stevenson to improve us. But his way of playing is chronic.

First signs of the crowd really turning on him up here today for me.

[#2 Double Tap]

We're not even close to a serious discussion about this IMO.

There are legitimate concerns, though. Not necessarily squarely about the manager, but about the form of a number of our players, the strength of our squad, and current form.

If it continues for a more significant period then we can circle back to shouts like this one. In the meantime, Ross has earned security in his position.

losing the next two and dropping into the bottom six will really see the pressure build on ross.

So disappointing after last week and today, we seem to have reverted back to dreadful football, 180 minutes and 1 shot on target, it really is unacceptable and relegation type of form.

[Nicho87]

100% agree

[Lancs Harp]

Usually avoid the message board after a defeat and the predicable seethe, but have to admit im extremely frustrated. Im not a Jack Ross fan never have been apart from recognising his work at St Mirren. For me his teams reflect his rather less than exciting character. The product is dull. Really concerned that if we go behind he seems totally incapable of the making the changes to get us back in a game. Havent looked but I wonder how many points we've won from going behind under JR. Hes a decent bloke but so was Steve Bruce at Newcastle its a question of being up to the job and meeting expectation. He doesnt for me.. Im very sceptical he can achieve this. I wish it was differently I want my club to be the very best it can be and that wont be achieved under Jack Ross IMO. Ive put on my hard hat for the predictable responses from the Hibs Sanhedrin. Sad and disappointed tonight. We should be better than this and that feel good factor under Stubbs and Lennon seems a distant memory.

[GordonHFC]

Sorry, meant to quote the guy that said you weren’t far wrong. Sounds ridiculous to me.

That will be me then. It will all eventually come out in the wash.

[One Day Soon]

We're pretty minging. Posted the below elsewhere:

We're now running at one win in our last five. I'm not seeing us either playing particularly attractive football or grinding out results. We look suspiciously like 'stop Boyle and you stop Hibs'. If we are that much of a one-trick pony we are in serious bother.

To make matters worse - and this does matter - Hearts are currently sitting 5 points ahead of us at the top of the league having scored more goals than us but only conceding around half our number. Worse still we are are only two points ahead of St Mirren and bottom six with pretty much a third of the season played.

We've another 10 or so games to play (that's another third of the season) until the January window opens when we might be able to try and redress our very obvious squad weaknesses.

Last season I was enraged by our spineless and pedestrian performances in some really big games. The reassurance then was that our league positioning was good, we were grinding out results, we would build on that platform and Jack Ross would learn on tactical changes, formations and late substitutions.

What I find most alarming at this point is the sheer lack of spine in this squad. Jack Ross has been in charge for almost exactly two years and I'd expect him to have instilled his mentality into the team and squad by now. He either hasn't or if he has it's a mentality that's worrying. After last week we should have seen a massive reaction in this game especially against a struggling Aberdeen.

For me the net balance of the last two years is firmly in the negative. The cup final and top three finish doesn't offset the bigger game failures, the current drop in form, the weak mentality and the very worrying trajectory of this squad in terms of both depth of quality and range of options.

Honestly, I'm not at all convinced this is going to end well...

[Jones28]

I’m not in this camp in the slightest, but why not give him the January window? We all know the recruitment failures in the summer, surely it’s only fair to give the new guys a window to make a difference.

[The Modfather]

I’m still not in the camp actively looking for him to be sacked, but I am looking ever forward to someone coming in for him where he can leave with our thanks and best wishes.

Recruitment, has been an issue for a few windows now in terms of getting what we need. Ross deserves some slack for not getting what he needs. However, that only goes so far. He has the likes of Nisbet, Boyle, Allan, Newell, Gogic, Hanlon, Porteous, Doyle-Hayes available most weeks. He should be able to get a consistent spine of a team from that list IMO. One of which should be competitive and not play as dull and uninspiring football as we do. Was he let down with recruitment, yes. Is he getting enough out of what he has available to him, no IMO.

I can’t help but feel this is the beginning of a slow death for Ross and this team. Much like the end of Lennons 17/18 season (I think), we’ve peaked and will need a new manager and team to get everyone on board and an upward curve again.

[90274]

Fixtures coming up.

Celtic (H)
Ross County (A)
Livingston (A)

International break

St Johnstone (A)
Rangers (H)
Motherwell (H)

How many points?

[Ozyhibby]

I agree.

I just don’t think it’s fair blaming Mathie when we don’t know went on behind the scenes. What happens on the pitch is Ross’s responsibility and he will get the credit or the criticism for it.

Probably why he insisted Mathie go on Feb 1st? He knows he carries the can and Mathie was a hinderance.


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[Tully]

Just in car on way back, we were woeful, everyone is entitled to there opinion but we showed nothing to suggest we would score anytime this weekend, yes vack Ross if you want but something is wrong in our squad as the players did not look as if we had a game plan, pass it across the back then a blooter up the park, soul destroying stuff

[ScottB]

We never should have extended Ross.

There was no pressure, nobody was after him. Maybe it’ll be fine and he turns this slump around, maybe he doesn’t and we’re at Christmas having to contemplate a hefty compensation payout.

That’s not to say he should be sacked now, and regardless, he won’t be, but much longer of this sort of form and it will become a valid conversation to be had.

[madhatter]

I'm really concerned about where this is going, Mathie has been cleared out and Jack Ross and Ron Gordon seem good pals.

Hoping things either turn around or at the very least don't go where I think they may be going. This footballing department shake up should not become some St Mirren / jobs for the boys.

Mathie's been critiqued heavily on here and has been cleared out. Jack Ross, I assume will be on much more than what Mathie was paid. No manager should get free reign at the football club. We stopped that with Leeann, I'm worried we're heading back to it without a Director of Football (Sporting Director).

[Since452]

He's been let down massively by the recruitment team. We've had back luck with injuries which has shown that. No coincidence Mathie left just after. This January will be interesting.

[One Day Soon]

I’m still not in the camp actively looking for him to be sacked, but I am looking ever forward to someone coming in for him where he can leave with our thanks and best wishes.

Recruitment, has been an issue for a few windows now in terms of getting what we need. Ross deserves some slack for not getting what he needs. However, that only goes so far. He has the likes of Nisbet, Boyle, Allan, Newell, Gogic, Hanlon, Porteous, Doyle-Hayes available most weeks. He should be able to get a consistent spine of a team from that list IMO. One of which should be competitive and not play as dull and uninspiring football as we do. Was he let down with recruitment, yes. Is he getting enough out of what he has available to him, no IMO.

I can’t help but feel this is the beginning of a slow death for Ross and this team. Much like the end of Lennons 17/18 season (I think), we’ve peaked and will need a new manager and team to get everyone on board and an upward curve again.

Agree

[CL0762]

I’m actually not bothered either way. If he stays, meh. If he goes, meh. Actually so nonplussed regarding Hibs at the moment.

[madhatter]

He's been let down massively by the recruitment team. We've had back luck with injuries which has shown that. No coincidence Mathie left just after. This January will be interesting.

How do you know he was let down? Why is Mathie such an easy target?

I criticised the recruitment as well but how much are they really involved? Heckingbottom - players sign from down South, Jack Ross - players signed from Hamilton, St Johnstone and St Mirren. I'd argue manager still has a huge influence on signings and maybe, just maybe, Jack Ross vetoed most of Mathie's suggestions and maybe, just maybe, Jack Ross is good pals with Ron Gordon.

[90274]

Get Calum Davidson in now.

[big gogs]

It would have to be Sam Goodwin would it not?
:greengrin
Is he related to the st.mirren manager😀

[One Day Soon]

Get Calum Davidson in now.

Try harder.

[hhibs]

The panic merchants are out geez peace I'm a supporter through bad times and good trust me this not that bad we are not on form but I trust the manager but more importantly so does Ron

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Oh,I guess the rest of us who are complaining don't support the team even in the bad times !?

I am sure you will find plenty who have and for many decades...

As for Ron ,as a successful business man,he will be ruthless when required.

[Heisenberg]

Get Calum Davidson in now.

He’d have us playing worse football than JR.

[Hiber-nation]

Try harder.

Aye, so obvious.

I'm with quite a few on here, if he was sacked in the morning I wouldn't be up nor down even though it wouldn't be deserved.

[lord bunberry]

Get Calum Davidson in now.
What about Neilson?

[Lancs Harp]

Anyway as sceptical as I am about Jacks Managerial prowess hes not my public enemy number one tonight. Step up Rafa Benitez Everton 2 Watford 5 and crashed my Acca costing me £89. Never mind.

[Not In The Know]

He's been let down massively by the recruitment team. We've had back luck with injuries which has shown that. No coincidence Mathie left just after. This January will be interesting.


THIS in a nutshell the first half of the season is a write-off and it will be damage limitation with Doidge out. id like to think we will splash the cash in Jan...

[Vault Boy]

Why not?

Because there's basically no way the club will be re-evaluating his position until after January. The obvious exception is if we absolutely plummet into becoming relegation contenders, but that's unlikely.

Of course it can be discussed to everybody's heart's content on here and elsewhere, but it's not going to carry serious weight for another while. Best league finish in 16 years earns you quite some credit.

[cabbageandribs1875]

Fixtures coming up.

Celtic (H)
Ross County (A)
Livingston (A)

International break

St Johnstone (A)
Rangers (H)
Motherwell (H)

How many points?



i was going to say four but i want to sound more confident, therefore....

five

[May21/05/216]

Oh,I guess the rest of us who are complaining don't support the team even in the bad times !?

I am sure you will find plenty who have and for many decades...

As for Ron ,as a successful business man,he will be ruthless when required.I don't complain when we've played 10 games and sit 5 points behind the leaders we have lost 2 away games against Aberdeen and rangers and a home game to dundee utd just I think it's far to early to judge how the season will pan out and I'm sure Ron will thinking the same but I may be wrong

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[madhatter]

THIS in a nutshell the first half of the season is a write-off and it will be damage limitation with Doidge out. id like to think we will splash the cash in Jan...

Are you comfortable with the recruitment being led by Jack Ross?

I'm struggling to see why people think Mathie failed but Jack Ross is going to pick out players needed to play his style. Anybody know his style of football yet?

I could recognise Heckingbottom's style of football better than Jack Ross'. Even though he couldn't get it to work.

[Sir David Gray]

Personally not calling for his head right now but I don't think Ron Gordon will accept a run of defeats that sees us hanging around the bottom six.

He's clearly, at least to me anyway, trying to make us into a team that tries to compete with Rangers and Celtic and if it's not looking like that will happen then I don't see him wasting any time in making a change.

[Since452]

What is it about Jack Ross people don't like? Certain folk have never been able to take to him. Even when Neil Lennon was on his run of 3 wins in 15 or whatever it was it wasn't as poisonous as this across social media. It's a shame to see really. Not sure if it's the vocal minority or not but I always feel that folk are ready to latch on to any defeat we have regardless of the circumstances. Personally I like the guy and think he's a good manager. This is his first real sticky patch, brought on largely by mitigating circumstances. We are Hibs. They happen.

[A Hi-Bee]

They’re playing absolutely **** right now. It’s been a really weird season so far with no big games at Easter Road and no fans allowed at ibrox. I’m looking forward to the Celtic game under lights and hibs putting in a big performance.

Lets hope he can find a performance from somewhere, at least show some fight, even when beaten show some fight.

[StockholmHibs]

I’m actually not bothered either way. If he stays, meh. If he goes, meh. Actually so nonplussed regarding Hibs at the moment.

I suspect many are feeling the same way. That's why crowds are dwindling.
I still feel Jack is the man. However he needs to be backed with quality signings.
We failed miserable in that transfer window and now we are paying the price.

[One Day Soon]

No Jack Ross interview?

[jacomo]

All these random, little heard from posters on here, suddenly got a lot to say?

Give me a break.

[Hibs90]

3 defeats on the bounce, probably 4 on Wednesday and likely to be 5 come next weekend.

[madhatter]

Because there's basically no way the club will be re-evaluating his position until after January. The obvious exception is if we absolutely plummet into becoming relegation contenders, but that's unlikely.

Of course it can be discussed to everybody's heart's content on here and elsewhere, but it's not going to carry serious weight for another while. Best league finish in 16 years earns you quite some credit.

Leicester sacked Ranieri. An abundance of credit yet still sackable.

Credit in football is meaningless. If ER consistently becomes quieter and attendances drop to 12k and under then he'll be gone. Credit or otherwise.

Fans are starting to turn on him.

[A Hi-Bee]

All these random, little heard from posters on here, suddenly got a lot to say?

Give me a break.

These "Randoms" got as much right as you to share opinions.
:greengrin

[Vault Boy]

Leicester sacked Ranieri. An abundance of credit yet still sackable.

Credit in football is meaningless. If ER consistently becomes quieter and attendances drop to 12k and under then he'll be gone. Credit or otherwise.

Fans are starting to turn on him.

They were a point above relegation and he'd had two full windows since the title.

I agree that if that happens then it's inevitable, we're just not there yet.

[hibIBZ]

I’m actually not bothered either way. If he stays, meh. If he goes, meh. Actually so nonplussed regarding Hibs at the moment.

Yeah think that's it. Haven't been to a game since before the lock downs and haven't really missed it that much this year. It's apathy that causes a club to go backwards.

Should Jack Ross be sacked? Not for me. There has obviously een issues behind the scenes that have caused us problems, leaving us under strength in a lot of areas, with players that for me are past their sell by. However, I'm not sure the club can allow so many fans to lose interest and need to turn it around

[BegbieHSC]

If we’re bottom six, and I mean proper bottom six come the January transfer window, having been papped out the league cup, then maybe I’ll get on board with Ross out.

It hasn’t been great this season, but managers who get sacked in October are the relegation managers, which as bad as we’ve looked in the past few games, we aren’t that bad.

[delbert]

I’m actually not bothered either way. If he stays, meh. If he goes, meh. Actually so nonplussed regarding Hibs at the moment.

Is there a Hibs fan out there who is in anyway surprised that a struggling team get their free hit against us ? I would doubt that, it’s almost par for the course and the blame is squarely on a manager who has sanctioned duds like Wright and then not recruited at all in key positions when it was obvious we aren’t good enough or when we sustained injuries. Firmly believe we were near the top despite him, not because of him, but the direction of travel now is somewhat different, so let’s see if he actually has anything about him, sorry but I continue to have serious doubts !

[CL0762]

I suspect many are feeling the same way. That's why crowds are dwindling.
I still feel Jack is the man. However he needs to be backed with quality signings.
We failed miserable in that transfer window and now we are paying the price.

Yeah, I haven’t missed a home game & only didn’t go to Aberdeen today because I returned a positive PCR test in the week yet I’ve only went because it’s habit and I missed it last year.

I’m not going to the games because I desperately want to see Hibs, I’m going because it’s my chance to see a couple pals and watch football.

I don’t buy this ‘crowds are poor because of covid’ because Hearts, Celtic, Rangers are posting very good numbers. It’s just our support, turn out when things are going well yet when the results/football on show is poor the numbers drop far quicker than they do at other clubs. That’s not a criticism of anyone at all, just an observation. We have a smaller hardcore support than those clubs, even Hearts.


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[Bridge hibs]

Because there's basically no way the club will be re-evaluating his position until after January. The obvious exception is if we absolutely plummet into becoming relegation contenders, but that's unlikely.

Of course it can be discussed to everybody's heart's content on here and elsewhere, but it's not going to carry serious weight for another while. Best league finish in 16 years earns you quite some credit.In a way I agree but lets be honest here, we are sleepwalking into dangerous territory and if recent performances are anything to go by then there is every chance we will get dragged into the mire.

I get injuries and illness or whatever but today and last Sat have set alarm bells ringing, we are gutless, toothless, disjointed and boring. We are struggling to defend and 1 goal in three is a poor return no matter the opposition, that form is bottom six form.

We paid the price by not recruiting sufficiently during the summer and its coming to the fore now, today we expected a reaction, we got a damp squib instead, its a long way until January and with celtic next up I fear another drubbing

Im normally one for being positive but its just difficult to see where the next good performance or win comes from with this current team

[madhatter]

They were a point above relegation.

But not relegated and he won them the league which is unlikely to ever reoccur. If we are talking about credit then he far surpasses Jack Ross.

People thinking he needs backed in January are forgetting what happened when he was at Sunderland. Every time we were interested in a player it cropped up that he was interested. Our senior coaching department (minus David Gray) is made up of his mates and ex-St Mirren players/employees. Mathie seems to be getting 100% of the blame for the summer transfer window and to me he's being used as a fall guy for management failings from Ron Gordon, Jack Ross and himself. He is the fall guy and everyone is now saying Jack Ross needs backed in the window. I have zero confidence in him signing players to make us a forward thinking, free flowing attacking team that take the game to the opposition.

I fear for the window where he has full control over our targets. We must have St Mirren on speed dial now.

[Nakedmanoncrack]

Fixtures coming up.

Celtic (H)
Ross County (A)
Livingston (A)

International break

St Johnstone (A)
Rangers (H)
Motherwell (H)

How many points?

I predict between Zero & Six at best.

[Bobby's Cinema]

It’s not jack Ross fault

This lies in the blame with the recruiting department.

It’s been addressed and they’ve gone but lack of investment is slaughtering us.

No strength in depth. Miss a couple of key players and we’ve collapsed.

Not the managers fault IMO
Pretty much sums up the largest part of our problems. And close thread.

[Magpie]

Fixtures coming up.

Celtic (H)
Ross County (A)
Livingston (A)

International break

St Johnstone (A)
Rangers (H)
Motherwell (H)

How many points?

About 8 at the most imo

[Callum_62]

But not relegated and he won them the league which is unlikely to ever reoccur. If we are talking about credit then he far surpasses Jack Ross.

People thinking he needs backed in January are forgetting what happened when he was at Sunderland. Every time we were interested in a player it cropped up that he was interested. Our senior coaching department (minus David Gray) is made up of his mates and ex-St Mirren players/employees. Mathie seems to be getting 100% of the blame for the summer transfer window and to me he's being used as a fall guy for management failings from Ron Gordon, Jack Ross and himself. He is the fall guy and everyone is now saying Jack Ross needs backed in the window. I have zero confidence in him signing players to make us a forward thinking, free flowing attacking team that take the game to the opposition.

I fear for the window where he has full control over our targets. We must have St Mirren on speed dial now.Do you mean John Potter and Craig Samson?

Wasn't Potter his assistant down at Sunderland?

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[mcfly]

Sad thing is today’s result is not a surprise.

Aberdeen not won in like 10games and we don’t even have a shot on goal.

Poor recruiting is the issue.

Manager has limited options

Needs to turn it around fast starting Wednesday

[Leith Green]

One thing is for sure .. If he is going to be here much longer , he needs to find a way of fielding a midfield capable of grabbing the game by the scruff of the neck and somehow find some drive from the squad he has built. We are so passive it’s frightening, tippy tappy sideyways and back the way before the inevitable punt forward. We dont win 1st balls or 2nd balls and to not have proper back up for doidge has proved to be fatal.

I have never been convinced with Ross , his style or even lack of style of play i dont like , and his record in big games is awful.. He is on limited time in my opinion

The recruitment has been very poor as well , both not good enough.. And fans unhappy at Jack Ross , and the clubs recruitment have every right to be hacked off.

[A Hi-Bee]

What is it about Jack Ross people don't like? Certain folk have never been able to take to him. Even when Neil Lennon was on his run of 3 wins in 15 or whatever it was it wasn't as poisonous as this across social media. It's a shame to see really. Not sure if it's the vocal minority or not but I always feel that folk are ready to latch on to any defeat we have regardless of the circumstances. Personally I like the guy and think he's a good manager. This is his first real sticky patch, brought on largely by mitigating circumstances. We are Hibs. They happen.

He refuses to wear any Hibs gear at games. Who knows if Hibs are winning, playing good fitba then he would be everyone's hero Hi-Bee, he is not so he is a bit of a dud just now, it may change, I have my doubts.
:greengrin

[MWHIBBIES]

What is it about Jack Ross people don't like? Certain folk have never been able to take to him. Even when Neil Lennon was on his run of 3 wins in 15 or whatever it was it wasn't as poisonous as this across social media. It's a shame to see really. Not sure if it's the vocal minority or not but I always feel that folk are ready to latch on to any defeat we have regardless of the circumstances. Personally I like the guy and think he's a good manager. This is his first real sticky patch, brought on largely by mitigating circumstances. We are Hibs. They happen.

This is what I'd like to know. Lennon and Stubbs went through much worse runs than this and never got hounded. The way Hecky and now Ross were/are treated on here is scary. Still bringing up results from 18 months ago is very poor, especially when we've had so many good ones since.

[Bobby's Cinema]

100% behind JR. He's got to work with what he's got, he evidently tried to change it up today but was limited in the alternatives he could bring in.

[madhatter]

Do you mean John Potter and Craig Samson?

Wasn't Potter his assistant down at Sunderland?

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No, James Fowler was. He didn't come as he wanted to do more DoF stuff I believe. Imagine he came in as Mathie's replacement...

I really don't understand why the recruitment team, especially Mathie is getting the full blame for why we are terrible. Honestly comes across as Mathie is being used as the fall guy. It's turned the attention away from Ron Gordon who is busy spending money on TV screens and Jack Ross with no discernible tactical style beyond defend, hope for the best and get the ball to Boyle.

We recruited English players when Heckingbottom was here. We've largely recruited players based in Scotland when Jack Ross has been in charge. To me it seems like Mathie was doing what he was told.

[Leith Green]

This is what I'd like to know. Lennon and Stubbs went through much worse runs than this and never got hounded. The way Hecky and now Ross were/are treated on here is scary. Still bringing up results from 18 months ago is very poor, especially when we've had so many good ones since.

Fans were beginning to turn on stubbs prior to cup final win. If he hadnt win that then he faced a sticky next season.. Lennon was going the same way

[B.H.F.C]

He's been let down massively by the recruitment team. We've had back luck with injuries which has shown that. No coincidence Mathie left just after. This January will be interesting.

So last year, when we doing all right, was that all down to recruitment?

There is an element of that, but he’s not getting enough from them. Today was terrible…..but unsurprising.

[Callum_62]

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[madhatter]

This is what I'd like to know. Lennon and Stubbs went through much worse runs than this and never got hounded. The way Hecky and now Ross were/are treated on here is scary. Still bringing up results from 18 months ago is very poor, especially when we've had so many good ones since.

People wanted rid of Stubbs many times on here. People wanted rid before we won the cup. Many saying getting rid of Lennon before his inevitable departure as well. You're just inventing stuff now.

Aberdeen were singing "sacked in the morning" about Glass last week. Don't make Hibs fans sound like some unusual degenerates when that is far from the truth.

[Callum_62]

No, James Fowler was. He didn't come as he wanted to do more DoF stuff I believe. Imagine he came in as Mathie's replacement...

I really don't understand why the recruitment team, especially Mathie is getting the full blame for why we are terrible. Honestly comes across as Mathie is being used as the fall guy. It's turned the attention away from Ron Gordon who is business spending money on TV screens and Jack Ross with no discernible tactical style beyond defend, hope for the best and get the ball to Boyle.

We recruited English players when Heckingbottom was here. We've largely recruited players based in Scotland when Jack Ross has been in charge. To me it seems like Mathie was doing what he was told.Potter was with him at Sunderland

Potter did eventually team up with Ross in June 2018, joining*Sunderland*as first team coach.[9][10]*He then moved to*Hibernian*in November 2019, as assistant to Ross.[11]

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[Smartie]

He needs to figure out how to get a tune out of certain key players.

Nisbet - his only fit striker and at the moment he's contributing nothing. What tf was Newell all about today? Capable of sublime moments of skill and influencing games from start to finish - and also dithering, drifting, making unforced errors, slowing the game down and heading backwards from good positions and being passive and dominated in the middle of the park. Where has captain Hanlon been these past few weeks? When is Murphy going to provide us with a bit of end product (although like last week I thought he again looked the most likely to create something with his change of pace)?

The situation we find ourselves in now has been coming since the transfer window closed. Our early season fixtures were favourable, of late the games have been tougher. We got away with stuff earlier that we're not getting away with now.

Ok, injuries. But Aberdeen lost their promising RB and influential CH today. They also had their goalkeeper clattered. In spite of all of that they got on with winning the game with what they had available, something we've not been capable of.

I'm not convinced by Ross, neither do I want him out yet. We did play some nice stuff at times earlier this season when we had more of our key players available and we're currently operating without a spine of a team that would improve most teams in Scotland (Porteous, Magennis, Doidge).

He needs to find a way with what he has because I'm afraid there's still an awful lot of football to be played between now and January.

[mixu83]

Pretty much sums up the largest part of our problems. And close thread.

Agree, nothing to do with the manager. Essentially, in terms of first team starters from last season we added JDH on a free. A bit of a joke really. We've been punching above our squad weight for a while and now it is coming home to roost. A few injuries / suspensions and one or two out of form and this is what happens.

Tait and Mueller will help but we really need to start adding some real quality to this squad if we want to go anywhere.

[loanheadhibby]

It’s not jack Ross fault

This lies in the blame with the recruiting department.

It’s been addressed and they’ve gone but lack of investment is slaughtering us.

No strength in depth. Miss a couple of key players and we’ve collapsed.

Not the managers fault IMO

so if it is lack of investment as you say, surely that would be at the door of Ron Gordon and not Mathie? Ultimately it will surely be down to Ron as Executive Chairman to decide on playing budget?

As most suspect, I think the pressure is on big time for Jack Ross. Talk is cheap.

[bingo70]

This is what I'd like to know. Lennon and Stubbs went through much worse runs than this and never got hounded. The way Hecky and now Ross were/are treated on here is scary. Still bringing up results from 18 months ago is very poor, especially when we've had so many good ones since.

I don’t think people like the way Hibs play.

To some people it’s all about the result, to others about the entertainment. That’s absolutely fine, it’s just some folk are looking for different things.

I think people just find this Hibs team really boring. Some stats may say we score a lot of goals but that doesn’t change what people think when they’re watching Hibs.

I like my Hibs team to play with a high energy and enthusiasm, this team is placid and dull IMO.

[jeffers]

This is what I'd like to know. Lennon and Stubbs went through much worse runs than this and never got hounded. The way Hecky and now Ross were/are treated on here is scary. Still bringing up results from 18 months ago is very poor, especially when we've had so many good ones since.

I don’t enjoy watching his teams play. I thought at the start of the season we were going to be more entertaining but it hasn’t continued. It rarely feels like we put in a 90 minute performance under him, either start off well and fade away or have a poor start and need to pick it up in the 2nd half. It doesn’t feel like he learns from his mistakes, we continually did the same things against St Johnstone that failed to work in previous games yet expected a different outcome. As a result we blew two excellent chances to win trophies. His running with a smaller squad means players have little competition so, for some of them at least, poor performances won’t see them dropped.

[Smartie]

No, James Fowler was. He didn't come as he wanted to do more DoF stuff I believe. Imagine he came in as Mathie's replacement...

I really don't understand why the recruitment team, especially Mathie is getting the full blame for why we are terrible. Honestly comes across as Mathie is being used as the fall guy. It's turned the attention away from Ron Gordon who is busy spending money on TV screens and Jack Ross with no discernible tactical style beyond defend, hope for the best and get the ball to Boyle.

We recruited English players when Heckingbottom was here. We've largely recruited players based in Scotland when Jack Ross has been in charge. To me it seems like Mathie was doing what he was told.

I'm starting to wonder if Mathie was scapegoated.

He's a guy who has a bit of credit in the bank with us too, having been part of a previous regime who had us going in a far more positive direction that the current one seems to be doing.

[truehibernian]

Wouldn’t bother me in the slightest if he went. The football is bland and predictable and safe. You can blame the injuries, the lack of depth, the suspensions - comes down to being able to inspire and learn from mistakes. He’s not doing so - big games prove that, as does identifying really creative players. It’s defensive and bland - and you need a good defence if that’s your preferred tactic. Our defence is rotten. Even some of our wins and draws have relied on luck and decisions going our way.

Third should have been the platform to push on - sadly, we’ve become as average as a Fenlon side and that’s saying something.

I want ruthlessness shown next season. Too many players been here too long, particularly in defence, and too many below average squad fillers taking a good salary. Young, energetic and driven players should be the targets .

[May21/05/216]

What is it about Jack Ross people don't like? Certain folk have never been able to take to him. Even when Neil Lennon was on his run of 3 wins in 15 or whatever it was it wasn't as poisonous as this across social media. It's a shame to see really. Not sure if it's the vocal minority or not but I always feel that folk are ready to latch on to any defeat we have regardless of the circumstances. Personally I like the guy and think he's a good manager. This is his first real sticky patch, brought on largely by mitigating circumstances. We are Hibs. They happen.That's my thoughts on it


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[matty_f]

I don’t think people like the way Hibs play.

To some people it’s all about the result, to others about the entertainment. That’s absolutely fine, it’s just some folk are looking for different things.

I think people just find this Hibs team really boring. Some stats may say we score a lot of goals but that doesn’t change what people think when they’re watching Hibs.

I like my Hibs team to play with a high energy and enthusiasm, this team is placid and dull IMO.

The no shots on target stat today (did we have any last week?) certainly don’t help Ross’s case for not being boring.

Today was painfully bad, like last week. Incredibly boring.

I don’t think we’re always boring but the more games we have like today, Last week, the cup final, Ross Co. & Livi at home last season and the pre-lockdown derby defeat we have, the more evidence against him there is.

Recruitment is only a part of the issue, Aberdeen ended up with Scott Brown in defence today, that’s how stretched they were with the squad. Dundee United, St Mirren (ironically), St Johnstone etc would take our squad any day off the week if they could afford it.

[madhatter]

What is it about Jack Ross people don't like? Certain folk have never been able to take to him. Even when Neil Lennon was on his run of 3 wins in 15 or whatever it was it wasn't as poisonous as this across social media. It's a shame to see really. Not sure if it's the vocal minority or not but I always feel that folk are ready to latch on to any defeat we have regardless of the circumstances. Personally I like the guy and think he's a good manager. This is his first real sticky patch, brought on largely by mitigating circumstances. We are Hibs. They happen.

It's the football. It's boring, Hibs fans rarely respond well to poor football. Fenlon was a likeable guy but many fans never took to him because the football was poor.

[Leith Green]

Dont know what game he was watching last week that made him think playing JDH and Newell together again would work this time around

[James Stephen]

Time to go. Simply not good enough.

Lol

[truehibernian]

That's my thoughts on it


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Ron is on record saying he wants good product on the pitch - the product is poor, even when winning. He needs to pony up next two windows - simple as that. The football is dreadful. I like Jack Ross but I don’t like his football style. If I was an opposition manager and saw that defence and formation today I’d be lapping it up all day long - and Aberdeen are poor yet easily won. What does that tell you ?

[B.H.F.C]

The no shots on target stat today (did we have any last week?) certainly don’t help Ross’s case for not being boring.

Today was painfully bad, like last week. Incredibly boring.

I don’t think we’re always boring but the more games we have like today, Last week, the cup final, Ross Co. & Livi at home last season and the pre-lockdown derby defeat we have, the more evidence against him there is.

Recruitment is only a part of the issue, Aberdeen ended up with Scott Brown in defence today, that’s how stretched they were with the squad. Dundee United, St Mirren (ironically), St Johnstone etc would take our squad any day off the week if they could afford it.

Ojo at right back for most of it as well.

[Alfred E Newman]

Wouldn’t bother me in the slightest if he went. The football is bland and predictable and safe. You can blame the injuries, the lack of depth, the suspensions - comes down to being able to inspire and learn from mistakes. He’s not doing so - big games prove that, as does identifying really creative players. It’s defensive and bland - and you need a good defence if that’s your preferred tactic. Our defence is rotten. Even some of our wins and draws have relied on luck and decisions going our way.

Third should have been the platform to push on - sadly, we’ve become as average as a Fenlon side and that’s saying something.

I want ruthlessness shown next season. Too many players been here too long, particularly in defence, and too many below average squad fillers taking a good salary. Young, energetic and driven players should be the targets .

You are right. It’s ridiculous to talk about sacking him but like you I wouldn’t be heartbroken if he left for another club.
Despite the attempts of several managers we are still a soft touch.

[Carheenlea]

Another factor in the tolerance level of Hibs fans with Jack Ross compared to previous managers is maybe the fact Hearts are having a good season to date. It’s frustrating enough to watch a couple of very bad performances in the last couple of weeks without the added annoyance at having to see Hearts above us in the table.

The thin squad is really requiring some bolstering in January. Something that can give us some differing dimensions to our play.

[Viva_Palmeiras]

Out or not but Ross is like all or players : overated

ls under performing the same as over rated ?

[May21/05/216]

Ron is on record saying he wants good product on the pitch - the product is poor, even when winning. He needs to pony up next two windows - simple as that. The football is dreadful. I like Jack Ross but I don’t like his football style. If I was an opposition manager and saw that defence and formation today I’d be lapping it up all day long - and Aberdeen are poor yet easily won. What does that tell you ?It tells me that we are on a bad run of form I think Ron has put his money into the club before and I'm sure hill will again but you can't judge Ross on 10 games into the season i judge him on his overall record since his appointment and its good but if you think that changing managers every 10 games then I don't stability is the answer

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[Hiber-nation]

His interview speaks volumes. He'd have been as well not bothering for all he said.

[CL0762]

I don’t think people like the way Hibs play.

To some people it’s all about the result, to others about the entertainment. That’s absolutely fine, it’s just some folk are looking for different things.

I think people just find this Hibs team really boring. Some stats may say we score a lot of goals but that doesn’t change what people think when they’re watching Hibs.

I like my Hibs team to play with a high energy and enthusiasm, this team is placid and dull IMO.

This is where I’m at.

I could take a defeat if Hibs had been on the front foot, scored a goal or 2 and were just simply unlucky or caught out by a brilliant opposition counter attack or performance because ultimately, the team had lost but had lost whilst trying to win the game.

Right now, we’re losing/drawing games without trying to win. I can’t remember ever coming away from a loss/draw under Ross being ‘aw know what, it just wasn’t our day today’. We either scrape wins or surrender meekly whilst going a goal down or labouring to a draw. Performances such as Ross County at home are a one off rather than a constant.


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[truehibernian]

Another factor in the tolerance level of Hibs fans with Jack Ross compared to previous managers is maybe the fact Hearts are having a good season to date. It’s frustrating enough to watch a couple of very bad performances in the last couple of weeks without the added annoyance at having to see Hearts above us in the table.

The thin squad is really requiring some bolstering in January. Something that can give us some differing dimensions to our play.

Thing is, couldn’t care less about Hearts and whether they’re winning or losing. I love Hibs and watching an entertaining side - and please, don’t take this as player bashing or scapegoating - but I’ve seen enough of Lewy, Daz and Hanlon. Sentimentally they’ll always be modern club legends, but critically and cynically they all need to be moved on. They’re not good enough now, simple as that. Teams need refreshed regularly. Next two windows I want to see a direction towards young players and (sadly) a ruthless streak on the squad.

[Stuart93]

****ing hell just seen his interview. What an absolute slaver.

[90274]

His interview speaks volumes. He'd have been as well not bothering for all he said.

What did he say?

[J-C]

At the moment he's nowhere near being sacked but if he went it wouldn't bother me one bit, I'm not a fan of his borefest football but if he did go there's no one in mind who'd replace him, certainly no one in Scotland.

[DaveF]

Because there's basically no way the club will be re-evaluating his position until after January. The obvious exception is if we absolutely plummet into becoming relegation contenders, but that's unlikely.

Of course it can be discussed to everybody's heart's content on here and elsewhere, but it's not going to carry serious weight for another while. Best league finish in 16 years earns you quite some credit.

The credit gained counts for nothing if you follow it up with complete crap.

As for relegation candidates being unlikely, I tend to agree but with the team low on confidence, lacking in fight and creating next to no chances, then we might need to review that opinion after the next 5 games.

[Sir David Gray]

Leicester sacked Ranieri. An abundance of credit yet still sackable.

Credit in football is meaningless. If ER consistently becomes quieter and attendances drop to 12k and under then he'll be gone. Credit or otherwise.

Fans are starting to turn on him.

Agreed. As I said previously I personally am not calling for his head right now but the fact that we finished 3rd last season won't count for much in today's climate.

Football managers are judged on the here and now and as I said before Ron Gordon won't waste any time in making a change if it looks like we might be bottom six.

[Nicho87]

I’ve said it since last season

We have managed without Ross before we would move on quite quickly getting a new fresh management team in.

Zero fire in that hibs team

[DaveF]

****ing hell just seen his interview. What an absolute slaver.

Hibernian head coach Jack Ross: "There was very little in the game. We controlled large aspects without creating enough clear-cut opportunities. That's the reason we lose the game.

"We lacked cutting edge. We pushed but didn't work Joe Lewis enough. We need to remain united and have a strength of character. We are the midst of a difficult run. It's important we don't panic."

[CL0762]

Hibs tv interview isn’t exactly helping matters.

https://twitter.com/hibernianfc/status/1451970676429049859?s=21

[silverhibee]

What’s not right? Are you saying there’s problems in the squad or with the manager or maybe both. It appears to me that we have a squad that’s quite tight and harmonious and they seem to have respect for the manager.

They might respect him but they ain’t fighting for him on the pitch, the players should have been out proving to the fans that JR has them well motivated for this game, it was a shocking display from the team, maybe losing respect as well.

[DaveF]

Hibs tv interview isn’t exactly helping matters.

https://twitter.com/hibernianfc/status/1451970676429049859?s=21

'There were large parts today which were better' 😂

[number9dream]

He's been let down massively by the recruitment team. We've had back luck with injuries which has shown that. No coincidence Mathie left just after. This January will be interesting.

JR was saying just the other day that he didn't think we'd need to do much business, with Doidge coming back, Mueller coming in and the likes of Magennis and Hallberg returning to fitness. Let's hope he was downplaying things since we need a centre-half and some energy in midfield.

[Hiber-nation]

'There were large parts today which were better' 😂

It was clear he wouldn't be slagging off the players 2 weeks in a row. He doesn't do that. It would have been better if he sounded remotely like he was hurting but instead he sounded as if he just didn't want to be there.

[CL0762]

'There were large parts today which were better' 😂

Aye, that and ‘particularly in terms of how much we pushed to get something from the game’. Baffling doesn’t even cover it.

[CMurdoch]

His interview speaks volumes. He'd have been as well not bothering for all he said.

Managers interviews intentionally say nothing.
It comes as a result of media training.
They are always a waste of time for supporters.
Occasionally they are used to send a message to someone or make a point.
However, they are generally fulfilling an obligation and what you get is predictable dull fare.

[B.H.F.C]

'There were large parts today which were better' 😂

Better than what?

The crowd there today we’re starting to turn. If he tries to say it was all right, he’s lost the bloody plot. It was awful.

[DaveF]

Better than what?

The crowd there today we’re starting to turn. If he tries to say it was all right, he’s lost the bloody plot. It was awful.

Last week I assume, which is hardly aiming high...

[Perfect Hatrick]

I don’t think people like the way Hibs play.

To some people it’s all about the result, to others about the entertainment. That’s absolutely fine, it’s just some folk are looking for different things.

I think people just find this Hibs team really boring. Some stats may say we score a lot of goals but that doesn’t change what people think when they’re watching Hibs.

I like my Hibs team to play with a high energy and enthusiasm, this team is placid and dull IMO.

I hate the way we play. Absolutely hate it. The style of football is every bit as bad as the likes of Butcher, Calderwood etc imo but we’re better at executing it and therefore the results are better.

Like you said earlier in the thread, I wouldn’t say I want him sacked but I’d not be disappointed at all if someone came in for him. I think I’d actually be quite relieved.

[Hiber-nation]

Managers interviews intentionally say nothing.
It comes as a result of media training.
They are always a waste of time for supporters.
Occasionally they are used to send a message to someone or make a point.
However, they are generally fulfilling an obligation and what you get is predictable dull fare.

Yep I know all that but at least give the fans something. Slagging off the players obviously doesn't work but at least sound as if you care. A wee bit of passion.

[Nicho87]

Ron Gordon’s aspirations
V
Jack Ross aspirations will result in Ross getting punted

Ross is accepting pish like today again

We should not be accepting 3 defeats in a row in this league. Those days should be in the past

Gordon will know the fans are beginning to turn in greater numbers

Stick the fancy screens up your rear, I’d rather a winning team with desire and passion even in defeat

We currently have a losing team with no desire, worrying.

[Hibernia&Alba]

Time to go? Behave.

Yes, we're struggling a bit, but the squad is lacking both quantity and quality. The manager needs help signing players, then we can judge things better. Get him a couple of decent signings in January, if possible, then we'll see. He doesn't have the materials just now; the squad needs more depth.

[madhatter]

Time to go? Behave.

Yes, we're struggling a bit, but the squad is lacking both quantity and quality. The manager needs help signing players, then we can judge things better. Get him a couple of decent signings in January, if possible, then we'll see. He doesn't have the materials just now; the squad needs more depth.

He'll want a St Mirren player.

[silverhibee]

Hibernian head coach Jack Ross: "There was very little in the game. We controlled large aspects without creating enough clear-cut opportunities. That's the reason we lose the game.

"We lacked cutting edge. We pushed but didn't work Joe Lewis enough. We need to remain united and have a strength of character. We are the midst of a difficult run. It's important we don't panic."

And yet he panicked with his team selection.

[Since90+2]

Ross gets the credit if we do well though?

Can’t have it both ways.

Jack Ross wasn't responsible for recruitment in the summer. Anyone can see the reason for us struggling is the lack of strength in depth.

[Nicho87]

He'll want a St Mirren player.

Jamie McGrath

[Lancs Harp]

Jack Ross wasn't responsible for recruitment in the summer. Anyone can see the reason for us struggling is the lack of strength in depth.

And a lack of tactical nous and ability to change tactics to react to what is happening in the game.

[Keith_M]

'There were large parts today which were better' 😂


Statistically true, as we conceded two less goals than last week.

[silverhibee]

Hibs tv interview isn’t exactly helping matters.

https://twitter.com/hibernianfc/status/1451970676429049859?s=21

Not willing to throw Daz under the bus like he did with Ryan, and he thinks that was an improvement on last week, he was struggling to answer questions there, that was not a encouraging interview for me.

[Perfect Hatrick]

Jack Ross wasn't responsible for recruitment in the summer. Anyone can see the reason for us struggling is the lack of strength in depth.

And anyone can see that he’s not getting enough out the players he has.

He was let down by recruitment in the summer. As were the fans. He is part of the recruitment set up though so my sympathy on that front is limited.

Jack Ross is letting the fans down with the results and performances as well though.

[MWHIBBIES]

People wanted rid of Stubbs many times on here. People wanted rid before we won the cup. Many saying getting rid of Lennon before his inevitable departure as well. You're just inventing stuff now.

Aberdeen were singing "sacked in the morning" about Glass last week. Don't make Hibs fans sound like some unusual degenerates when that is far from the truth.

I'm inventing **** all. Some folk wanted rid, they were never ever hounded like this, though.

Ross has never been more than a poor 45 minutes away from dogs abuse. Its ****ing pathetic.

[Since90+2]

And a lack of tactical nous and ability to change tactics to react to what is happening in the game.

And you don't think the ability to change tactics is because we have no strength in depth? We basically have a first 11 and thats it. It's very very difficult to make impactful tactical changes when you have no options to change the personnel.

[Keith_M]

Just checked the earlier post and it's right, zero shots on target.

[madhatter]

Jack Ross wasn't responsible for recruitment in the summer. Anyone can see the reason for us struggling is the lack of strength in depth.

He wasn't? We went for McGrath, a St Mirren player. When Heckingbottom was here we went for Newell and Doidge. I think Jack Ross had more involvement than you think.

[Since90+2]

And anyone can see that he’s not getting enough out the players he has.

He was let down by recruitment in the summer. As were the fans. He is part of the recruitment set up though so my sympathy on that front is limited.

Jack Ross is letting the fans down with the results and performances as well though.

His role in recruitment, in terms of actually getting the deals over the line is minimal in role of Head coach. Graeme Mathie wasn't effectively sacked for no reason.

[CMurdoch]

Yep I know all that but at least give the fans something. Slagging off the players obviously doesn't work but at least sound as if you care. A wee bit of passion.

Lennon style amateur dramatics in interviews changes nothing and pandering to over stimulated fans is pointless unless you think something will change in your favour in the short term*.

The truth is Porteous poor decision making cost us point(s) at Ibrox and importantly his services in the last two games.
The truth is that the loss of Magennis has seriously weakened the midfield for the last 2 games and *we will struggle in the next 3 games through his continued absense.
The truth is that the loss of Doidge and having no replacement to play alongside Nisbet has hurt us from the moment it happened.

The truth is wind and pish in the managers post match interview will change none of the above.

[Since90+2]

He wasn't? We went for McGrath, a St Mirren player. When Heckingbottom was here we went for Newell and Doidge. I think Jack Ross had more involvement than you think.

He agrees to sign the player. He then leaves it to the sporting Director to make sure that deal is done.

You clearly don't understand the role of Head Coach by use of the term "went for". This isn't Football Manger where the head coach also deals with the conclusion of contracts.

[Perfect Hatrick]

His role in recruitment, in terms of actually getting the deals over the line is minimal in role of Head coach. Graeme Mathie wasn't effectively sacked for no reason.

Mathie carries the can, absolutely. But Ross also has an involvement in it. He’s not blameless.

Much like if Ross was to get sacked then Ross would carry the can but the players wouldn’t be blameless.

[CJHibby]

Just back from that wind park. Game not helped by the weather but same old same old from Hibs. Until we learn to fight better and make things happen, we will never progress and win football games. Not advocating the chop for Ross but he needs to get us to be more front footed. We are so bl**dy passive!!

[Lancs Harp]

And you don't think the ability to change tactics is because we have no strength in depth? We basically have a first 11 and thats it. It's very very difficult to make impactful tactical changes when you have no options to change the personnel.

Changing tactics during a game isnt just about the squad. You can change tactics with the players on the park and I dont agree we have a particularly strong first 11 actually, its moderate at best, a defense that needs an overhaul, a revisit to the way the midfield works or in our case doesnt work both defensively and going forward. Are you happy with the way we play?

The fact we are having this debate is a point in itself.

[Since90+2]

Changing tactics during a game isnt just about the squad. You can change tactics with the players on the park and I dont agree we have a particularly strong first 11 actually, its moderate at best, a defense that needs an overhaul, a revisit to the way the midfield works or in our case doesnt work both defensively and going forward. Are you happy with the way we play?

The fact we are having this debate is a point in itself.

The last 2 games we haven't played well. Up to the point Ryan gets sent off at Ibrox, at that point we are literally top of the league.

If we keep Porteous on the pitch the likelihood is we win that game. That's not down to a lack of tactical awareness, it's down to a bad refeering decision.

[madhatter]

I'm inventing **** all. Some folk wanted rid, they were never ever hounded like this, though.

Ross has never been more than a poor 45 minutes away from dogs abuse. Its ****ing pathetic.

Stubbs was verging on being hounded worse than this until he won the cup.

Jack Ross had a good 6 months where everyone was happy after Heckingbottom left.

You are inventing this no manager has been hounded like Jack Ross...Fenlon was hounded and many before and many after.

[Hiber-nation]

Lennon style amateur dramatics in interviews changes nothing and pandering to over stimulated fans is pointless unless you think something will change in your favour in the short term*.
.

I said a wee bit of passion. I didnae mean Lennon-style histrionics!

[Lancs Harp]

The last 2 games we haven't played well. Up to the point Ryan gets sent off at Ibrox, at that point we are literally top of the league.

How many matches this season would you say we have played well in? Personally think we are struggling. Im not a JR fan I openly admit it. I think his teams are dour and I question his footballing nous tactically. Thats my opinion.

[bingo70]

The last 2 games we haven't played well. Up to the point Ryan gets sent off at Ibrox, at that point we are literally top of the league.

If we keep Porteous on the pitch the likelihood is we win that game. That's not down to a lack of tactical awareness, it's down to a bad refeering decision.

I think it’s a bit of a stretch to say the likelihood is we win the game if Porteous doesn’t get sent off.

We might have done but we’ll never know. Certainly wasn’t a given though.

[madhatter]

He agrees to sign the player. He then leaves it to the sporting Director to make sure that deal is done.

You clearly don't understand the role of Head Coach by use of the term "went for". This isn't Football Manger where the head coach also deals with the conclusion of contracts.

You clearly don't understand that we are looking at players from St Mirren. You clearly don't understand that McGrath won't fix our midfield problems. This is not the model the club spoke about when Leeann and George talked about it. It was about a sporting department bringing prospective candidates to the Head Coach who would then decide who he wanted.

The fact that we've transitioned from signing players from down south under Heckingbottom to signing Hamilton, St Johnstone and St Mirren players shows that our Head Coach is more involved in identifying signings.

Our recruitment team is pretty much a negotiating team. So, in other words our underperforming team is filled with players identified by our Head Coach. Not by the fall guy, Mathie.

[DaveF]

How many matches this season would you say we have played well in? Personally think we are struggling. Im not a JR fan I openly admit it. I think his teams are dour and I question his footballing nous tactically. Thats my opinion.

Ross County first half we were excellent. You would struggle beyond that.

[Brightside]

I'm inventing **** all. Some folk wanted rid, they were never ever hounded like this, though.

Ross has never been more than a poor 45 minutes away from dogs abuse. Its ****ing pathetic.

You are spot on.

[Lago]

How many matches this season would you say we have played well in? Personally think we are struggling. Im not a JR fan I openly admit it. I think his teams are dour and I question his footballing nous tactically. Thats my opinion.
I share your opinion 100%.

[JimBHibees]

We're pretty minging. Posted the below elsewhere:

We're now running at one win in our last five. I'm not seeing us either playing particularly attractive football or grinding out results. We look suspiciously like 'stop Boyle and you stop Hibs'. If we are that much of a one-trick pony we are in serious bother.

To make matters worse - and this does matter - Hearts are currently sitting 5 points ahead of us at the top of the league having scored more goals than us but only conceding around half our number. Worse still we are are only two points ahead of St Mirren and bottom six with pretty much a third of the season played.

We've another 10 or so games to play (that's another third of the season) until the January window opens when we might be able to try and redress our very obvious squad weaknesses.

Last season I was enraged by our spineless and pedestrian performances in some really big games. The reassurance then was that our league positioning was good, we were grinding out results, we would build on that platform and Jack Ross would learn on tactical changes, formations and late substitutions.

What I find most alarming at this point is the sheer lack of spine in this squad. Jack Ross has been in charge for almost exactly two years and I'd expect him to have instilled his mentality into the team and squad by now. He either hasn't or if he has it's a mentality that's worrying. After last week we should have seen a massive reaction in this game especially against a struggling Aberdeen.

For me the net balance of the last two years is firmly in the negative. The cup final and top three finish doesn't offset the bigger game failures, the current drop in form, the weak mentality and the very worrying trajectory of this squad in terms of both depth of quality and range of options.

Honestly, I'm not at all convinced this is going to end well...

A very accurate summary of where we are. Performance in the last week of so have been very worrying. Some of the individual performances have been so poor Hanlon and Newell should be benched however we don't have the options or willingness to do so. Why was Murphy not starting and Gullan who has not been trusted at all getting a start. Very odd. Our mentality is very questionable as shown last year we get in a losing position and down tools. Last week was criminal this week was a bizarre starting line up and absolutely no football against a team who were there for the taking big time.

[JimBHibees]

That will be me then. It will all eventually come out in the wash.

Let's hear it then.

[theonlywayisup]

I hate threads like this. I usually am very loyal to our manager.

However, to answer "who would do a better job" I say Dundee United appointed Tam Courts someone who I never heard off and he's doing okay (currently top equal of the league).

To counteract that. I did feel that we needed more recruits in the summer. There were some on here that stated that we didn't (wonder what they are saying now), but it was obvious we wouldn't take a step forward with the players we had, once we get injuries and players losing form. Today, we started with three of our 2016 Cup Winning team and that can't be right - name any other team that has three quarters of the defence that started games five years ago (Champions Leagues team excepted).

Also, I wonder where are the young stars? We should have some 17 and 18 year olds champing at the bit to show what they can do. Where are they?

[Hiber-nation]

Ross County first half we were excellent. You would struggle beyond that.

I was pretty ecstatic with our 2nd half performance at Motherwell if you ignore Gogic's attempts at marking.

Agree about the Ross Co game. Best football I've seen for many a year at ER.

Then Doidge and Murphy injured followed by Magennis loss of form, JDH covid and Magennis injury again and it's been downhill at a fair rate of knots.

[madhatter]

You are spot on.

Guess there will be "sacked in the morning" on Wednesday then, horrible Hibs fans everywhere being the case?

I repeat, Aberdeen had fans signing that about Glass even though he is barely in the job yet we haven't done that and somehow we are accused of hounding Jack Ross. The critique of fellow Hibs fans on here is ridiculous sometimes.

What is ridiculous about all this is Graeme Mathie was probably hounded and even after his departure is still blamed for our underperformance.

Recruitment team needed emptied even though recruitment team only did negotiation seems to be the narrative. Presumably everyone thinks Jack Ross will identify better players now that Graeme Mathie is gone.

[cabbageandribs1875]

come on St mirren get yer act together and start feeding us better players again

[Stuart93]

Wouldn’t be arsed if he decided he didn’t fancy it anymore or another team came in for him.

Like another poster said, dull hibs team, dull performances, led by a dull manager. Hardly any characters in the squad.

Lack of a bond between a hibs team and supporters hasn’t been as big for a long time.

[Magpie]

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[Libby Hibby]

Wouldn’t be arsed if he decided he didn’t fancy it anymore or another team came in for him.

Like another poster said, dull hibs team, dull performances, led by a dull manager. Hardly any characters in the squad.

Lack of a bond between a hibs team and supporters hasn’t been as big for a long time.

Bang on

[Heisenberg]

Wouldn’t be arsed if he decided he didn’t fancy it anymore or another team came in for him.

Like another poster said, dull hibs team, dull performances, led by a dull manager. Hardly any characters in the squad.

Lack of a bond between a hibs team and supporters hasn’t been as big for a long time.

Heckingbottom was way bigger. The fans hated him and his team.

[Crab apple]

Guess there will be "sacked in the morning" on Wednesday then, horrible Hibs fans everywhere being the case?

I repeat, Aberdeen had fans signing that about Glass even though he is barely in the job yet we haven't done that and somehow we are accused of hounding Jack Ross. The critique of fellow Hibs fans on here is ridiculous sometimes.

What is ridiculous about all this is Graeme Mathie was probably hounded and even after his departure is still blamed for our underperformance.

Recruitment team needed emptied even though recruitment team only did negotiation seems to be the narrative. Presumably everyone thinks Jack Ross will identify better players now that Graeme Mathie is gone.

I can’t remember many managers being hounded out by us. If anything we’ve been too patient as a support with some managers. I don’t see much hounding of JR just people rightly questioning our current form and the manager’s role in this. I’ve still got questions over our ability to win the big matches under JR but he’s definitely improved performances from the ****storm under Hecky. Our inability to deliver improvements to the squad in the last chaotic transfer window is hitting us hard. I don’t know who was to blame for that but Mathie is away now.

Mathie is pictured at Parkhead today. I wonder if he’s heading there.

[JimBHibees]

'There were large parts today which were better' 😂

Better than what :greengrin

[Key West]

Jack Ross set out a team with 3 strikers and apart from a shot from Boyle and 2 half decent crosses from Murphy we couldn't trouble a makeshift defence.
At the back we look like we could concede to any forward line.
Even when we've had teams with a decent starting eleven when injuries occur we go into free fall.
There is an obvious lack of quality which can only be addressed by spending some money there's no shortcut at Hibs.
The present team is not the worst but it is not the best either.
There was effort and a bit more tempo today but there was absolutely no quality.

[HendoDelivered]

😂

[The Modfather]

I can’t remember many managers being hounded out by us. If anything we’ve been too patient as a support with some managers. I don’t see much hounding of JR just people rightly questioning our current form and the manager’s role in this. I’ve still got questions over our ability to win the big matches under JR but he’s definitely improved performances from the ****storm under Hecky. Our inability to deliver improvements to the squad in the last chaotic transfer window is hitting us hard. I don’t know who was to blame for that but Mathie is away now.

Mathie is pictured at Parkhead today. I wonder if he’s heading there.

I think hounding is just hyperbole. This thread has been quite civilised and constructive. Social media might be a different matter but it’s not really representative of the real world.

Jack Ross has a real problem winning over the full support. I think, anecdotally so I could well be wrong, a large part and even a majority, of the support can see the good job he has done and foundations he has built. Yet despite all that find it difficult to connect with him and his style of play and as a result have much affinity with the current squad. It’s difficult to make a case to sack him, but I also find it difficult to make a passionate defence of Ross either.

[Glory Lurker]

Ron is on record saying he wants good product on the pitch - the product is poor, even when winning. He needs to pony up next two windows - simple as that. The football is dreadful. I like Jack Ross but I don’t like his football style. If I was an opposition manager and saw that defence and formation today I’d be lapping it up all day long - and Aberdeen are poor yet easily won. What does that tell you ?

It's easy to say Ron should pony up. He already has though by allowing the club to turn down bids for Doig, Porto and Nisbet. If there is interest in these players in January I'd rather see us sell them to fund new buys than Ron dip into his pocket as I wonder if that would involve loans.

[Hiber-nation]

I think hounding is just hyperbole. This thread has been quite civilised and constructive. Social media might be a different matter but it’s not really representative of the real world.

Jack Ross has a real problem winning over the full support. I think, anecdotally so I could well be wrong, a large part and even a majority, of the support can see the good job he has done and foundations he has built. Yet despite all that find it difficult to connect with him and his style of play and as a result have much affinity with the current squad. It’s difficult to make a case to sack him, but I also find it difficult to make a passionate defence of Ross either.

That's really well put and I'd guess it sums up the views of the majority of Hibs supporters.

[Greenworld]

The problem remains in midfield it has never been solved . Unfortunately it looks like the current management are unable to sort it.
The great news is American owners have no problem sacking management. Is jack at fault or has he been let down by mathie.
To many people are saying the same now. Rarely changes the team ...no chance for the 18 year olds banging the goals in.
Nisbet needs dropped from the squad to alter his mindset ,right now offering nothing


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[matty_f]

That's really well put and I'd guess it sums up the views of the majority of Hibs supporters.

I’ve been an advocate for Jack Ross for a long time and even I’m at the point of wondering where he goes from here.

If we were going to lose today, it should have been a case of going down all guns blazing with the players doing their absolute best to put the wrongs from last week right.

There should have been a reaction, a big improvement - a performance of energy and purpose. Instead we managed to out-pish one of the pishiest pish teams we’ve played in ages.

We went down without even a whimper. That’s hugely alarming, almost as alarming as Jack Ross turning to three players (five if you count Allan and Wright) that he clearly doesn’t fancy to turn things around.

He persevered with a system that evidently isn’t working or has been sussed out by other teams.

Not a single shot on target. I think we had one last week. Over 180 minutes of football we’ve barely laid a glove on our opponents.

I get that we’re missing players - important ones- but so are other teams and it’s up to the manager to get a tune out of the players he’s got. He got **** all from them today. Nothing.

There’s clearly a section of the support that don’t like him and never had, the clowns that come out with “Jack Dross” and all that crap, but Ross does himself no favours Roth performances like today, which wasn’t the first time it’s happened and there’s nothing to suggest it’ll be the last either.

Today and last week were as bad as anything under Butcher. It’s 100% not the sort of football i want associated with Hibs. Someone mentioned the fans that went up today getting a refund and usually I’d laugh at that sort of suggestion but frankly considering today was the second game in a row where not one Hibs player gets pass marks, they would deserve it.

[neil7908]

It's the beginning of the end for him imo. I had concerns at the end of last season but our start had me much more hopeful. I think he'll really struggle to pull us back at this point though.

[Gerard]

It's the beginning of the end for him imo. I had concerns at the end of last season but our start had me much more hopeful. I think he'll really struggle to pull us back at this point though.

If Jack Ross and his coaches resign who should Hibernian FC replace them with.

[Andy74]

It's the beginning of the end for him imo. I had concerns at the end of last season but our start had me much more hopeful. I think he'll really struggle to pull us back at this point though.

If 2 poor games is the beginning of the end for Hibs managers then we will never get anywhere.

We are unfortunately always going to have periods of poor form but it doesn’t mean we have to panic and start again every time.

[bigwheel]

If 2 poor games is the beginning of the end for Hibs managers then we will never get anywhere.

We are unfortunately always going to have periods of poor form but it doesn’t mean we have to panic and start again every time.

Agreed….we’ve had largely a really consistent 18 months ..people losing their mind over the first sticky period in a long time …the players and Ross deserve our support to let them work through it.

[Lancs Harp]

If Jack Ross and his coaches resign who should Hibernian FC replace them with.

Thats a different question, but any team shouldnt keep someone on because they arent sure who they would get as a repalcement. If any manager isnt performing then they should be replaced. Thats a general statmement btw not just apertaining to Hibs.

[bingo70]

If 2 poor games is the beginning of the end for Hibs managers then we will never get anywhere.

We are unfortunately always going to have periods of poor form but it doesn’t mean we have to panic and start again every time.

There was a lot of people highly critical of him before the last 2 matches so I don’t think these 2 matches in isolation are the beginning of the end. I suspect the beginning of the end goes back to one of our hampden losses last season. I’m not sure Riss has ever recovered from them.

[Mikey_1875]

Im still very much JR in and I think there are legitimate excuses for why things don’t appear too rosy at the moment.
Having said that he takes a fair bit of the blame for today and it’ll be hard to stomach many more performances like that without starting to have major doubts about how we are progressing under him.

[greenpaper55]

Many a recent game i have been looking at my phone more than the game, the manager is a nice man but he has not got a clue. He should not be managing at this level and he has been found wanting time and time again, as someone said it's not the getting beaten thats bad it's the way we are beaten. Nota a f..... clue unfortunately.

[Northernhibee]

Why? Soon as the new manager comes in he’ll be declared as the best thing since sliced bread, we will then have a couple of bad results and threads like this one will start over again and we’ll be in the same toxic cycle that got us relegated seven years ago.

[Gerard]

Thats a different question, but any team shouldnt keep someone on because they arent sure who they would get as a repalcement. If any manager isnt performing then they should be replaced. Thats a general statmement btw not just apertaining to Hibs.

Yes fair points. Having asked the question concerning replacing JR and the coaching team I ask again the question who should we replace JR and his coaching team ? Do we seek a replacement with immediate effect or wait until the end of the season? If we do replace JR and his team we need a manager with proven experience at being successful. These managers come at a price.

[bingo70]

Yes fair points. Having asked the question concerning replacing JR and the coaching team I ask again the question who should we replace JR and his coaching team ? Do we seek a replacement with immediate effect or wait until the end of the season?

Just a guess but if Ron Gordon’s son is becoming more involved I suspect our next manager will be from somewhere abroad, probably America.

That’s just guesswork though.

[madhatter]

Many a recent game i have been looking at my phone more than the game, the manager is a nice man but he has not got a clue. He should not be managing at this level and he has been found wanting time and time again, as someone said it's not the getting beaten thats bad it's the way we are beaten. Nota a f..... clue unfortunately.

That's the sad thing. I was looking up stuff online on my 2nd monitor while the game was on. Whether people agree or disagree, there are many in our support that just are bored of how we are playing. It is slow, ponderous, percentage football for me.

[ScottB]

One of the things that perhaps polarises this debate is some of the things that make fans want to keep him are the same reasons others want him gone.

So you can say he’s safe pair of hands, or is he dull, he’s got a great cup record in getting us to Hampden, but an awful record once we’re there etc.

Ultimately, my main thing with him is that I think this the peak for him, he doesn’t seem to be a manager on a trajectory to bigger and better things, rather one that may be as good as he’s going to get, not likely to to get us relegated, not likely to pack the stands with fans excited to see the quality of our play either.

In the end, he has less in the tank than many of our previous managers, the support aren’t bonded to his personality, he doesn’t have much of a stand out record elsewhere, we don’t love his tactics, so when it starts to go wrong for him, it goes wrong quick.

[Gerard]

Just a guess but if Ron Gordon’s son is becoming more involved I suspect our next manager will be from somewhere abroad, probably America.

That’s just guesswork though.

That would not be a surprise.

[ScottB]

Yes fair points. Having asked the question concerning replacing JR and the coaching team I ask again the question who should we replace JR and his coaching team ? Do we seek a replacement with immediate effect or wait until the end of the season? If we do replace JR and his team we need a manager with proven experience at being successful. These managers come at a price.

Whoever interviews best really.

Don’t need to worry about that, the question before then is whether or not Jack is up to it. Of course some clubs go find the next guy before sacking the last one, but I’m not sure we’d do that.

[Perfect Hatrick]

Yes fair points. Having asked the question concerning replacing JR and the coaching team I ask again the question who should we replace JR and his coaching team ? Do we seek a replacement with immediate effect or wait until the end of the season? If we do replace JR and his team we need a manager with proven experience at being successful. These managers come at a price.

I don’t think there’s anyone obvious to replace him with but that doesn’t mean there’s nobody.

Generally speaking, football fans won’t know of all the managers around. They’ll probably know of some in their teams league and then the ones at the elite clubs in Europe. That’ll be it. The fact that fans can’t tell you who they’d want to replace him doesn’t make it an unviable option.

[Andy74]

I don’t think there’s anyone obvious to replace him with but that doesn’t mean there’s nobody.

Generally speaking, football fans won’t know of all the managers around. They’ll probably know of some in their teams league and then the ones at the elite clubs in Europe. That’ll be it. The fact that fans can’t tell you who they’d want to replace him doesn’t make it an unviable option.

What we are after though is a manager who has no bad spells at all. If that’s the case, surely the candidates are obvious?

[Gerard]

What we are after though is a manager who has no bad spells at all. If that’s the case, surely the candidates are obvious?

Okay which candidates are obvious?

[Andy74]

Okay which candidates are obvious?

That might be my point?

[Perfect Hatrick]

What we are after though is a manager who has no bad spells at all. If that’s the case, surely the candidates are obvious?

Are we? I don’t think anyone has asked for that.

I think most people are accepting that overall JRs record is decent. The issue for most seems to be that they don’t like watching Hibs under JR. I know in my case I absolutely hate the style of football. Imo it’s every bit as crap as under Butcher etc it’s just that we’re better at executing it.

I know from my point of view that whilst I don’t want him sacked, I couldn’t care less if he left. If he did then I’d want someone who was committed to playing entertaining football. Not someone who was guaranteed not to have a bad spell as that’s not going to happen. I’d like to enjoy watching my football team again and it’s become clear after 2 years that won’t happen under JR.

[bingo70]

What we are after though is a manager who has no bad spells at all. If that’s the case, surely the candidates are obvious?

I don’t think that’s the case.

I think we are after a manager who will have the team playing an entertaining brand of football. If you can do that there’ll be more leeway when an inevitable bad spell comes.

In all honesty, it’s ***** watching Hibs most weeks just now, people just want to enjoy their Hibs fix I think.

[Andy74]

Are we? I don’t think anyone has asked for that.

I think most people are accepting that overall JRs record is decent. The issue for most seems to be that they don’t like watching Hibs under JR. I know in my case I absolutely hate the style of football. Imo it’s every bit as crap as under Butcher etc it’s just that we’re better at executing it.

I know from my point of view that whilst I don’t want him sacked, I couldn’t care less if he left. If he did then I’d want someone who was committed to playing entertaining football. Not someone who was guaranteed not to have a bad spell as that’s not going to happen. I’d like to enjoy watching my football team again though.

It is nothing like Butcher. If people think that’s our current style then there’s no point discussing anything with them.

[Gerard]

That might be my point?

Understood
Perhaps there are candidates that are not known to us as fans but have been scouted by the senior ledearship team at Hibs

[Perfect Hatrick]

It is nothing like Butcher. If people think that’s our current style then there’s no point discussing anything with them.

Don’t discuss it then. It is absolute dug **** imo whether you want to discuss it or not.

[Sir David Gray]

There was a lot of people highly critical of him before the last 2 matches so I don’t think these 2 matches in isolation are the beginning of the end. I suspect the beginning of the end goes back to one of our hampden losses last season. I’m not sure Riss has ever recovered from them.

I said after either the defeat to St Johnstone in the League Cup or Hearts in the Scottish Cup that he would struggle to win back a sizeable section of the suppport and I think that's how it's panning out.

[matty_f]

It is nothing like Butcher. If people think that’s our current style then there’s no point discussing anything with them.

The style isn’t the same as Butcher but today’s performance would draw comparison with Butcher’s side of people were being generous. And last week.

It’s just a different style of brutal.

[lord bunberry]

I don’t think that’s the case.

I think we are after a manager who will have the team playing an entertaining brand of football. If you can do that there’ll be more leeway when an inevitable bad spell comes.

In all honesty, it’s ***** watching Hibs most weeks just now, people just want to enjoy their Hibs fix I think.
It’s not brutal watching hibs every week. You’re roughly the same age as me Craig and I’m I refuse to believe that this is anywhere near the worst you’ve seen. Not in a million years is this the worst.

[Peevemor]

Are we? I don’t think anyone has asked for that.

I think most people are accepting that overall JRs record is decent. The issue for most seems to be that they don’t like watching Hibs under JR. I know in my case I absolutely hate the style of football. Imo it’s every bit as crap as under Butcher etc it’s just that we’re better at executing it.

I know from my point of view that whilst I don’t want him sacked, I couldn’t care less if he left. If he did then I’d want someone who was committed to playing entertaining football. Not someone who was guaranteed not to have a bad spell as that’s not going to happen. I’d like to enjoy watching my football team again and it’s become clear after 2 years that won’t happen under JR.It's definitely not Butcher style football. Pretty much the opposite extreme TBH.

[overdrive]

Sorry, it’s clearly not the party line here but Ross in an inept donkey. He must go. His style of football is atrocious. It’s now not even getting results.

[Andy74]

The style isn’t the same as Butcher but today’s performance would draw comparison with Butcher’s side of people were being generous. And last week.

It’s just a different style of brutal.

All teams are capable of performances that aren’t executed well and have results that go with it.

That’s very different from comparing our style or tactics to Butcher. There’s no comparison at all.

[Perfect Hatrick]

It's definitely not Butcher style football. Pretty much the opposite extreme TBH.

I didn’t say it was Butcher style. It’s different, but it’s every bit as bad to watch.

Even when we win we have masses of fans who don’t enjoy watching us. That speaks volumes.

[Jdawg]

Signings, formations, plans, squads.I’ve not been this bored since watching hibs since Mixu’s team. Pish to watch even when we’re doing well. Hence the terrible attendances at Easter road this year.

[Andy74]

I didn’t say it was Butcher style. It’s different, but it’s every bit as bad to watch.

Even when we win we have masses of fans who don’t enjoy watching us. That speaks volumes.

If you think this is as bad to watch as under Butcher then your views can’t be taken seriously.

[lord bunberry]

Sorry, it’s clearly not the party line here but Ross in an inept donkey. He must go. His style of football is atrocious. It’s now not even getting results.
What about when it was getting results? For some it’s **** when hibs are winning because they can’t come on here and talk complete ***** about the cabbage. I’ve been a hibee for a huge number of years, never have I resorted to the criticism that some of our so called supporters breeze in with.

[Perfect Hatrick]

If you think this is as bad to watch as under Butcher then your views can’t be taken seriously.

:aok:

[Perfect Hatrick]

What about when it was getting results? For some it’s **** when hibs are winning because they can’t come on here and talk complete ***** about the cabbage. I’ve been a hibee for a huge number of years, never have I resorted to the criticism that some of our so called supporters breeze in with.

It was crap last season when we were getting results as well. People said as much at the time. It was claimed it’s because we weren’t there. Now that we’re back it’s every bit as bad if not worse.

It’s become quite clear that Ross’ preferred way of playing is just absolutely turgid. That’s not going to change and as such he’ll never get all fans inside. If folk don’t enjoy going to watch their team then they’re not going to have much fondness for the manager who’s made them feel that way.

[matty_f]

If you think this is as bad to watch as under Butcher then your views can’t be taken seriously.

Two games with one shot on target between them. 4 goals conceded.

We haven’t attacked well and we haven’t defended well. Nobody is saying every game is as bad as it was under Butcher, but the last two have been every bit as bad as you’d expect to see from a relegated team.

[The Modfather]

What we are after though is a manager who has no bad spells at all. If that’s the case, surely the candidates are obvious?

I’m not sure that’s a fair representation of what many, if any, are saying. Mowbray and Stubbs had many bad spells but I still look back at their overall time fondly. I won’t look back on Ross’ time to date, including a very good achievement in finishing 3rd last season, with much fondness.

[Smartie]

If you think this is as bad to watch as under Butcher then your views can’t be taken seriously.

I guess it depends on what timeframe we’re talking over.

How many attempts have we had on goal in the past 180 minutes? These 2 games have been atrocious - but it’s only 2 games.

Go back further than 2 games and it’s better but these games are up there with the worst football I’ve seen us play.

The trademark of our relegation teams was to lose the first goal and lack any sort of creativity to get back into games once moderately competent teams defended their lead.

That has been the story of the past 2 games.

Do I have confidence that the next couple of games will be better? No, not really.

Do I think that we might slip into deeper trouble by the time we get injured players back or by the time we can improve the squad in January? Yep.

[bingo70]

It’s not brutal watching hibs every week. You’re roughly the same age as me Craig and I’m I refuse to believe that this is anywhere near the worst you’ve seen. Not in a million years is this the worst.

Away you go, you’re much older than me. 😉

I never said it was the worst I’d seen? It’s been ***** watching Hibs for loads of my life unfortunately.

I don’t want to judge Ross against the worst managers, he’s miles better than a lot of them, I want to judge him against the best managers in my lifetime. Results wise he more than stands up against the best ones, in terms of entertainment and how much I enjoy going to the games, he doesn’t come close to competing with Mcleish, Mowbrey or even Lennons team in spells.

[neil7908]

If 2 poor games is the beginning of the end for Hibs managers then we will never get anywhere.

We are unfortunately always going to have periods of poor form but it doesn’t mean we have to panic and start again every time.

As I've mentioned, my concerns stretch much further back than two games.

And I haven't suggested anywhere in my post that he should go now so I'm not sure why you've suggested that? If I was Ron I wouldn't sack him.

But as a fan I think he will he gone in the next few months, and I don't think it will be another club poaching him.

[chippy]

Okay which candidates are obvious?

Jim Goodwin, Lenny , Stubbsy, Callum Davidson. There’s 4 to chew on

[MWHIBBIES]

Why? Soon as the new manager comes in he’ll be declared as the best thing since sliced bread, we will then have a couple of bad results and threads like this one will start over again and we’ll be in the same toxic cycle that got us relegated seven years ago.

Yep. Some of our 21/05/16 hangers on are going to have to suck up a few bad results. They're struggling already.

[Heisenberg]

Jim Goodwin, Lenny , Stubbsy, Callum Davidson. There’s 4 to chew on

The middle two should be nowhere near the Hibs job again. Stubbs is a legend but let’s leave it at that. Lennon? Not a chance. He’s worse than Ross.

[Perfect Hatrick]

The middle two should be nowhere near the Hibs job again. Stubbs is a legend but let’s leave it at that. Lennon? Not a chance. He’s worse than Ross.

All four shouldn’t be near it imo.

[Pretty Boy]

Don't care if Ross stays, don't care if he goes.

Mr Biege. It's hard to have strong feelings about him either way. A boring manager who has presented us with a boring football team.

[Jdawg]

3rd season of Sunder-Hibs till I die coming soon

[truehibernian]

Forget comparisons with ex managers, if anyone seriously thinks Hibs are good to watch they need their head examined - the football is utterly dreadful and one dimensional. The management and players are on borrowed time for me - get youth in, get drive and energy, or ship out. As I said earlier, our defences combined age today was nearly older than the club ! That’s utterly appalling that we are relying on 36 year old centre halves etc to ‘get a reaction’ !

[The 90+2]

Unless we have it lined up Alex Neil is to take over then it’s extremely narrow minded thinking sacking Ross is the answer when the alternative historically indicates otherwise. I also don’t get the blame Mathie culture either. Always has to be a scapegoat without facts.

Sack Ross then what? Trust who to bring in the correct manager? A Stephen Glass Ron type? Just for a laugh?

No, unless we have a guy lined up who the board are confident will replace Jack it’s unreal to want him punted considering the state when Hecky left.

[Callum_62]

Bob Bradley. Nap.

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[bigwheel]

Unless we have it lined up Alex Neil is to take over then it’s extremely narrow minded thinking sacking Ross is the answer when the alternative historically indicates otherwise. I also don’t get the blame Mathie culture either. Always has to be a scapegoat without facts.

Sack Ross then what? Trust who to bring in the correct manager? A Stephen Glass Ron type? Just for a laugh?

No, unless we have a guy lined up who the board are confident will replace Jack it’s unreal to want him punted considering the state when Hecky left.

A lot of good points …

[Perfect Hatrick]

Bob Bradley. Nap.

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Brad Bobley.

[ClermistonGreen]

Nice big tv screens though !

[bingo70]

Unless we have it lined up Alex Neil is to take over then it’s extremely narrow minded thinking sacking Ross is the answer when the alternative historically indicates otherwise. I also don’t get the blame Mathie culture either. Always has to be a scapegoat without facts.

Sack Ross then what? Trust who to bring in the correct manager? A Stephen Glass Ron type? Just for a laugh?

No, unless we have a guy lined up who the board are confident will replace Jack it’s unreal to want him punted considering the state when Hecky left.

I don’t think that many are wanting him sacked. There obviously are some but for the most part I think it’s people saying they’re not bothered if he was to leave.

The reasons you’ve mentioned are fair points and something tk be considered before pulling the trigger. I think having a discussion around how good a job he’s doing and whether people would want him to stay or not is fair game on a fans forum though.

Apathy is more dangerous to the club than anger and I think that’s my concern. On paper Jack Ross has done a really good job, that’s not being reflected in the stands though. Ross won’t be getting sacked any time soon but it can’t be ignored forever that a large part of the fan base just simply isn’t buying into him as a Hibs manager.

He needs to find a way of getting the fans back on side.