It's been coming. Jack Ross out.

[madhatter]

Ok, i get you're angry at the result but what's with all the ***** when we're just chatting here?! You can't really be that angry at me??!!

I think Celtic will pap us out the cup and there's not a hope in hell this squad is challenging for Europe.

That leaves the Scottish Cup, can anyone feel confident of doing anything there?

Why keep the manager then? We have injuries but we still have a fit squad on paper that most of the league would be jealous off and the decline of players that were here last season has been absolutely atrocious. For me, that is man management. If Nisbet wanted away, he should have been sold or we should have got him into a state of mind to play for Hibs. I don't think we've managed either as yet. He'll likely need sold on the cheap now as he looks rubbish.

Manager should know how to get the best out of Gogic. It was clear the rotational press onto McGregor would not work with Gogic as quite frankly Gogic is like having a CB playing in the midfield. Have him sit in front of the back 4 or don't play him. Celtic were very very good for 25mins in the first half but our midfield were all over the place and somehow found themselves in places away from Celtic players and not tracking runners.

More windows won't fix these issues. 2nd half saw our best play for a while and it came as our manager seemingly said "what the hell, where are the laddies?" and went full press onto Celtic backline. Which should've been the play from the start.

[Stuart93]

Did you not see us play decent football in the second half there? Or did Celtic just let us do that because the game was already won? Just back from the game but I’d imagine most of the Ross out gang will be completely ignoring that second half tonight.

I think the fact the game was won & Rogic going off was a massive help for us in the 2nd half. Celtic had quite clearly taken their foot off the gas.

A half decent 2nd 45mins after being absolutely battered in the first half 3-0 doesn’t quite cut it but if you want to grip on to that decent 2nd half despite the fact we still lost 3-1 then fair enough.

[A Hi-Bee]

Lets get some fun back at Hibs, bring back Yogi, even when we play crap he is always good for a laugh. Ross is just so boring, brings back bad flashbacks from A. Millar's time at Hibs.
:flag::flag::flag:

[Unseen work]

Did you not see us play decent football in the second half there? Or did Celtic just let us do that because the game was already won? Just back from the game but I’d imagine most of the Ross out gang will be completely ignoring that second half tonight.

I’m probably one of the bigger fans of Ross on this forum but I struggle to take too much away from that second half.

The game was done and Celtic were happy to see it out.

It’s easy to start getting on the ball when you’re losing and the game is done, different story when the game is tight and it’s all to play for.

If you look at the second half in isolation then yes it’s a very good second half against Celtic but you can’t do that, you need to look at the full 90 minutes. Even if you do we still failed to score despite how good we were.

[GreenCastle]

He tactically got it wrong at the start of the game.

Wrong starting team again. This has happened several times this season including Motherwell first game of season.

We sat too deep and the lack of any type of press from the front was amateur stuff.

2nd half was better but it couldn’t get much worse.

[eastmainsmsh]

Last window has clearly unsettled things JR hopefully can turn it around better second half performance tonight however RG has to back Manager in January window 3rd place is up for grabs if we can regroup

[Perfect Hatrick]

Would other managers do better just now with the players left available?

I think so, yes. This isn’t anywhere near the peak of the current squads abilities and imo there’s numerous teams above us or in and around us in the league who would swap their fully fit squads for our currently fit one in a heartbeat.

[tmb1875]

To set up that way in the 1st half was beyond a joke. Everyone knows the key to get anything out of Celtic is to be aggressive and go at them. Jack Ross is brass as buttons giving it all the talk on masterclass training sessions when he clearly gets out thought week in week out by other managers.


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[Alfred E Newman]

Would other managers do better just now with the players left available?

Another transitional period looms! What a depressing thought.

[Peevemor]

To set up that way in the 1st half was beyond a joke. Everyone knows the key to get anything out of Celtic is to be aggressive and go at them. Jack Ross is brass as buttons giving it all the talk on masterclass training sessions when he clearly gets out thought week in week out by other managers.


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[madhatter]

Another transitional period looms! What a depressing thought.

Isn't football just perma transitional periods?

The argument for keeping Ross would be to transition from eye-bleeding football 30-50% of the time to 0-10% of the time? The argument for more transfer windows is so we can transition bad players out and new (hopefully better) players in and then transition from a counter attack team reliant on Boyle to something else.

Keep Ross or get rid. We are constantly transitioning. If we aren't we may as well chuck in thoughts of "best of the rest".

[tamig]

I’m probably one of the bigger fans of Ross on this forum but I struggle to take too much away from that second half.

The game was done and Celtic were happy to see it out.

It’s easy to start getting on the ball when you’re losing and the game is done, different story when the game is tight and it’s all to play for.

If you look at the second half in isolation then yes it’s a very good second half against Celtic but you can’t do that, you need to look at the full 90 minutes. Even if you do we still failed to score despite how good we were.

First half was poor and some of the defending was unforgivable. Campbell gave us real energy second half and the midfield looked like a unit again. Porteous had a good game overall apart from his mistake at one of the goals. Nisbet is off it which isn’t helping things. I’ll cling on to a bit of hope from that second half. Big game at the weekend though.

[hhibs]

How did he set them up?


Maybe ask the team................maybe not, as they seemed clueless.

[Nicho87]

I'm off. The constant moaners (and they're all here tonight) can get off on the bad result while ignoring the positive side of a lot of our play.

So predictable.

"But nobody's calling for Ross to be sacked..."

I'm far more annoyed at some of the rubbish being spouted on here than by the match tonight.

Clapper happy

[Peevemor]

Maybe ask the team................maybe not, as they seemed clueless.Not when things settled down, they seemed to know exactly what they were meant to be doing.

Can you tell me what Ross got wrong in setting the team up? Everyone is saying he was wrong, but what could he have done differently?

[skyehibee]

To set up that way in the 1st half was beyond a joke. Everyone knows the key to get anything out of Celtic is to be aggressive and go at them. Jack Ross is brass as buttons giving it all the talk on masterclass training sessions when he clearly gets out thought week in week out by other managers.


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Spot on. His tactics that first half were Heckingbottom style. Was never going to work.

[Peevemor]

Clapper happyWhy do you never share your joie de vivre and wisdom on here after a win?

[hhibs]

I'm off. The constant moaners (and they're all here tonight) can get off on the bad result while ignoring the positive side of a lot of our play.

So predictable.

"But nobody's calling for Ross to be sacked..."

I'm far more annoyed at some of the rubbish being spouted on here than by the match tonight.

No you don't,you never do,always the empty promise:greengrin

[Hiber-nation]

How did he set them up?

Great question. He obviously didn't tell them to start slowly and defend really poorly so whatever game plan he has is not getting into the players' heads. To start as slowly as that once would be poor but 3 games in a row (if I'm being kind) is unacceptable.

[GreenCastle]

Not when things settled down, they seemed to know exactly what they were meant to be doing.

Can you tell me what Ross got wrong in setting the team up? Everyone is saying he was wrong, but what could he have done differently?

The front press was all wrong and doesn’t help when Nisbet can’t be arsed.

The wide players needed to be higher up on the back 4 to stop the switch.

Instead they let Celtic settle and move the ball into midfield and wide areas and to front players through our non existent central midfield.

2nd half the back 4 of us higher up the pitch and we locked onto the CDM and actually won the ball higher up with a more aggressive press.

1st half we showed too much respect and it cost us - you can’t sit in against Celtic they will find a way to break you down.

[Nicho87]

Why do you never share your joie de vivre and wisdom on here after a win?

Why do you seem content with losing?

[A Hi-Bee]

Why do you never share your joie de vivre and wisdom on here after a win?

Hey thats enough o that swearing on this family forum.
:cb

[Alfred E Newman]

Isn't football just perma transitional periods?

The argument for keeping Ross would be to transition from eye-bleeding football 30-50% of the time to 0-10% of the time? The argument for more transfer windows is so we can transition bad players out and new (hopefully better) players in and then transition from a counter attack team reliant on Boyle to something else.

Keep Ross or get rid. We are constantly transitioning. If we aren't we may as well chuck in thoughts of "best of the rest".

We were best of the rest and we have transitioned into a mid table team.

[mcfly]

Facts don’t lie

Crowds are falling….why? The fan base is there but they need to be entertained especially at the high cost.

We don’t win many big games. Why is that?

Jack Ross doesn’t come across as passionate about the club as I’d want him to be. Does he get us as fans? I just don’t think he’s one of us….

I don’t want anyone to lose their job but he has to up his game or he will

[Scotty Leither]

Ross is an arrogant individual.

Wouldn't surprise me if he resigns to protect himself from the shambles he has created. For any prospective future club who may wish to employ him he is that arrogant that I bet he would point to not being supported in the transfer market.

The last transfer window masks over his deficiencies. He has presided over a club which was lucky to get to numerous semi finals/finals and each time he has failed. There has been a downward spiral of performances and spirit for a long time.

If he stays on any longer looks like we will continue to be a one dimensional, counter-attacking team with only one focal point (Boyle).

Hibs are particularly boring to watch at home. The atmosphere at home games is depressing. I have not witnessed many away performances but comments on his.net suggest they are no better.

So many empty seats at Easter Road tonight. So sad.

Get rid.

Correct. A sartorial Alex Miller.

[Nicho87]

Ross interview with bbc
Main points

Happy with second half performance
Celtic are one of the smallest teams but disappointed to lose goals from crosses (words to that effect)
First half not good enough
Take second half showing into Saturday
Only a few points of top spots in league etc

[Peevemor]

Why do you seem content with losing?I'm not. It's just "moan" isn't my default setting.

[Nicho87]

I'm not. It's just "moan" isn't my default setting.

Think it’s more than just me moaning about hibs currently

[madhatter]

We were best of the rest and we have transitioned into a mid table team.

Indeed. That's why I think we need change. We are transitioning in the wrong direction. The long lost Campbell returning from the abyss tells a story as well. Manager is looking for anything to stop the rot.

[B.H.F.C]

Great question. He obviously didn't tell them to start slowly and defend really poorly so whatever game plan he has is not getting into the players' heads. To start as slowly as that once would be poor but 3 games in a row (if I'm being kind) is unacceptable.

He has us starting like that every week at home. Difference today is that you’re playing Celtic who just take the game away from you in that period.

Other than Ross County, the first halves at Easter Road have been dreadful.

[NC1875]

Ross interview with bbc
Main points

Happy with second half performance
First half not good enough
Take second half showing into Saturday
Only a few points of top spots in league etc

No doubt in the same uninspiring monotone voice….

Bore off.

[Magpie]

Ross interview with bbc
Main points

Happy with second half performance
First half not good enough
Take second half showing into Saturday
Only a few points of top spots in league etc

2 wins in last 8 games. I don’t think we will beat Ross County on Saturday. Struggling to get the best out of our players.

[ehf]

Tonight was the final straw for me; haven’t seen such a spineless, tactically inept performance against the old firm since the Duff Jimmy era. Forget the second half - Celtic were in first gear. We are heading for a relegation battle under this clown.

[Cookiehibs]

First half was dreadful. Gogic got turned far too easily on two occasions, simple passes not being made, crosses not being dealt with properly from phase 1 and 2 which continues to be our downfall. All basic stuff! I’m not going to say anything about Nisbet as I want to try and get at least some shut eye tonight. I still believe we will turn the corner again as it is evident we are missing both Magennis and Doidge massively. Do we know when these guys will return? Hopefully this new addition from the states hits the ground running when he arrives.

[tmb1875]

How did he set them up?

Did you watch the game?
11 men behind the ball passive, no desire to win the ball back and break quickly on them. The players had no idea when we eventually did get a shot of the ball, couple passes along the back line then the inevitable long punt out the park or to a Celtic player. Weak in the air, not stopping crosses just the usual stuff really.


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[Nicho87]

No doubt in the same uninspiring monotone voice….

Bore off.

Spot on

[Andy74]

No doubt in the same uninspiring monotone voice….

Bore off.

Ah, we are at the point where his voice is an issue 😂

[90274]

Not as predictable as some posters.

We played a lot of good stuff for 60 minutes of that match.

Give them some credit for once in your life.

It was predictable Ross would mention that after the game.

A game of football is 90 minutes though Jack.

Safe to say it was also predictable he would set the team up negatively from the start.

Absolutely woeful stuff. It really is pointless keeping him on.

[Coco Bryce]

Ah, we are at the point where his voice is an issue 😂

His voice matches our uninspiring displays.

[Andy74]

His voice matches our uninspiring displays.

Sure.

[NC1875]

Ah, we are at the point where his voice is an issue 😂

It’s just another thing that adds to the boring football and general boredom associated with Jack Ross

He couldn’t motivate anyone

[Coco Bryce]

We played a lot of good stuff for 60 minutes of that match

What with 41% possession 😂

[Peevemor]

What with 41% possession [emoji23]Did we have 41% possession during those 60 minutes?

[.Sean.]

Ah, we are at the point where his voice is an issue 😂
Was probably his choice to play the Waterboys at half time to fire us up aswell 😂

[Coco Bryce]

Did we have 41% possession during those 60 minutes?

41% over 94 mins.

[NC1875]

Was probably his choice to play the Waterboys at half time to fire us up aswell 😂

I’d rather he went and seen the whole of the moon

[bingo70]

Did we have 41% possession during those 60 minutes?

Does it matter?

Playing well when you’re 3-0 down and the other team is just seeing the game out means nothing.

[Peevemor]

41% over 94 mins.So your point's irrelevant.

[Unseen work]

I actually wonder what Kensell and Gordon are thinking? Especially if we don’t beat County on Saturday.

I personally don’t want Ross sacked and think he will still have us finishing 4th this season.

But, Kensell and Gordon might want their own man.

Will Kensell be tempted to get rid now as Alex Neil is available and they will have worked together at Norwich?

[PPZPOL]

Tonight was the final straw for me; haven’t seen such a spineless, tactically inept performance against the old firm since the Duff Jimmy era. Forget the second half - Celtic were in first gear. We are heading for a relegation battle under this clown.

It had a Heckingbottom against Celtic in the Scottish Cup at Easter Road look about it to me, and that is a real concern.

[Bobby's Cinema]

We competed with them when we tried to go toe to toe and pressed them. Surely on nights like tonight with the fans in under the lights and a slick pitch that was the way to go from the start. Instead we surrendered the ball and the pitch and the game was over before it had started.

[bingo70]

It had a Heckingbottom against Celtic in the Scottish Cup at Easter Road look about it to me, and that is a real concern.

Was way worse than that IMO.

[JimBHibees]

No doubt in the same uninspiring monotone voice….

Bore off.

Jeezo give the guy a break

[Unseen work]

We competed with them when we tried to go toe to toe and pressed them. Surely on nights like tonight with the fans in under the lights and a slick pitch that was the way to go from the start. Instead we surrendered the ball and the pitch and the game was over before it had started.

We were 1-0 down before we were able to string one pass together.

Celtic started brilliant but we need to be stronger and braver. And do the simple things at set pieces!!!!

[Perfect Hatrick]

I actually wonder what Kensell and Gordon are thinking? Especially if we don’t beat County on Saturday.

I personally don’t want Ross sacked and think he will still have us finishing 4th this season.

But, Kensell and Gordon might want their own man.

Will Kensell be tempted to get rid now as Alex Neil is available and they will have worked together at Norwich?

Genuine question - what makes you think we’ll finish fourth?

We’ve no chance of that in our current guise imo. The defence alone will make that nigh on impossible.

[NC1875]

Jeezo give the guy a break

I’ve given him plenty and he’s failed every time. I think his tone of voice and mannerisms are perfectly relevant.

Doesn’t inspire me in the slightest and certainly doesn’t inspire his players

[Cod Boy]

I actually wonder what Kensell and Gordon are thinking? Especially if we don’t beat County on Saturday.

I personally don’t want Ross sacked and think he will still have us finishing 4th this season.

But, Kensell and Gordon might want their own man.

Will Kensell be tempted to get rid now as Alex Neil is available and they will have worked together at Norwich?

4th bottom

[PPZPOL]

Was way worse than that IMO.

I just thought those days of sitting off them/Rangers at ER were gone. We’ve had a right go at them, especially in the Brendan Rodgers era, at Easter Road and got goods results (and performances). On none of those occasions did we play one up front and surrender possession and play how we did tonight. We went man to man, pressed high, scrapped for EVERY ball, got in people’s faces, made tackles, ruffled a few feathers and guess what...that inspired the fans to get right behind the team as well. That first half was as bad as I’ve seen, no excuse to set your team up like that. Utter tripe.

[bingo70]

I just thought those days of sitting off them/Rangers at ER were gone. We’ve had a right go at them, especially in the Brendan Rodgers era, at Easter Road and got goods results (and performances). On none of those occasions did we play one up front and surrender possession and play how we did tonight. We went man to man, pressed high, scrapped for EVERY ball, got in people’s faces, made tackles, ruffled a few feathers and guess what...that inspired the fans to get right behind the team as well. That first half was as bad as I’ve seen, no excuse to set your team up like that. Utter tripe.

Couldn’t agree more.

Did ok when we were 3-0 down though. Brilliant.

[.Sean.]

I’d rather he went and seen the whole of the moon
Think we’re collectively howling at the moon putting any faith in him

[Unseen work]

Genuine question - what makes you think we’ll finish fourth?

We’ve no chance of that in our current guise imo. The defence alone will make that nigh on impossible.

Mix of trust in Jack Ross and I think we’ll go all out in January.

The whole club know we made a monumental distaster in the summer with our dealings and will want to set the record straight for that.

Mueller
Tait
Doidge
Hallberg
Magennis
Mackay

Will all hopefully be in and fit by January before we’ve signed any more players.

[Perfect Hatrick]

Mix of trust in Jack Ross and I think we’ll go all out in January.

The whole club know we made a monumental distaster in the summer with our dealings and will want to set the record straight for that.

Mueller
Tait
Doidge
Hallberg
Magennis
Mackay

Will all hopefully be in and fit by January before we’ve signed any more players.

Will be interesting to see how January pans out. A complete overhaul like the 17/18 season January window could do wonders.

[jacomo]

Mix of trust in Jack Ross and I think we’ll go all out in January.

The whole club know we made a monumental distaster in the summer with our dealings and will want to set the record straight for that.

Mueller
Tait
Doidge
Hallberg
Magennis
Mackay

Will all hopefully be in and fit by January before we’ve signed any more players.


lol.

[Scotty Leither]

It had a Heckingbottom against Celtic in the Scottish Cup at Easter Road look about it to me, and that is a real concern.


Same attitude in both games though, two managers who surrendered the initiative from the start, and who both didn't think us uppity Hibs fans should expect to beat the OF anyway. I hope to God the owner and CEO don't think that way either, or we're right in bother.

[The Modfather]

lol.

I’d have Hallberg in before Newell. Not as talented, and I’d not have either in the first team, but he at least runs ahead of the ball. Hallberg makes us closer to being more than the sum of our parts IMO. Whereas Newell is closer to making us less than the sum of our parts IMO.

[S4uzee]

Same attitude in both games though, two managers who surrendered the initiative from the start, and who both didn't think us uppity Hibs fans should expect to beat the OF anyway. I hope to God the owner and CEO don't think that way either, or we're right in bother.

Agreed a very backward approach tonight and worrying. It’s ok though … Ross thought we were better 2nd half

[Andy74]

lol.

Hallberg is a big miss for the squad. Could always come in to any position in the midfield and play consistently well.

[Perfect Hatrick]

I’d have Hallberg in before Newell. Not as talented, and I’d not have either in the first team, but he at least runs ahead of the ball. Hallberg makes us closer to being more than the sum of our parts IMO. Whereas Newell is closer to making us less than the sum of our parts IMO.

I’d agree and like you I say that as someone who would prefer not to have Hallberg in a starting 11.

[Mutu]

I think he'll be gone for January. To salvage this season we have to change something now.

Ross has had a fair shake and has done okay but there's a reason why no one is turning up to games like tonight - we never compete. The players we have are fine but tactically we're a complete joke, especially off the ball. Sitting back at Easter Road against a Celtic team who ship goals is pathetic.

Lennon had MANY faults, but at least he was brave and empowered players to have a go.

[Wheat Hound]

Jack Ross sends our teams out with zero impetus or desire to get in the faces of either old firm or Hearts and we start meekly and passively hence why he has a grand total of ONE win in around 20 matches he has managed us against them. Pitiful.

[jeffers]

I want him gone now. That was woeful tonight, I really don’t care that we were better in the 2nd half, the game was over by then. I don’t expect us to dominate any team for 90 minutes but too often under Ross we don’t turn up in one of the halfs.

It’s all too easy to blame Mathie, who was undoubtedly culpable to some extent, but I’m not buying it that Ross is blameless. He himself said he prefers to run with a smaller squad, but if he does so it needs to have more quality. Guys like Cadden, Scott, Wood, Wright, even JDH (after a promising start) just aren’t offering enough.

[90274]

What they said
Hibernian head coach Jack Ross: "First half, we were very poor, second half, we were very good - and that period when we were very poor cost us the game.

"If fans want to be critical, direct it at me. At the moment the players need backing. It's my team and I need to lead them to better results.

"Saturday is now a massive game for our season. We need to reproduce the second-half performance."

[SlickShoes]

What they said
Hibernian head coach Jack Ross: "First half, we were very poor, second half, we were very good - and that period when we were very poor cost us the game.

"If fans want to be critical, direct it at me. At the moment the players need backing. It's my team and I need to lead them to better results.

"Saturday is now a massive game for our season. We need to reproduce the second-half performance."

Understand him defending the players but how do you expect the fans to get behind the team when the games all start like that? All the support in the world won't help them learn how to defend crosses.

[jacomo]

Hallberg is a big miss for the squad. Could always come in to any position in the midfield and play consistently well.


Lol. Hallberg has had plenty of games as a passenger. That’s why he would drop back to the bench.

He’ll be off in Jan if he can get a contract elsewhere.

[bigwheel]

Understand him defending the players but how do you expect the fans to get behind the team when the games all start like that? All the support in the world won't help them learn how to defend crosses.

He’s just trying to get the fans off the plAyers backs and directing our ire at him…he also knows how helpful the fans getting behind the team will be for the team itself….

Can’t fault him for those sentiments. But yes, a good first 45 mins will help a lot …


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[jacomo]

Agreed a very backward approach tonight and worrying. It’s ok though … Ross thought we were better 2nd half


That’s true though isn’t it? We couldn’t have been much worse.

[The Harp Awakes]

I just thought those days of sitting off them/Rangers at ER were gone. We’ve had a right go at them, especially in the Brendan Rodgers era, at Easter Road and got goods results (and performances). On none of those occasions did we play one up front and surrender possession and play how we did tonight. We went man to man, pressed high, scrapped for EVERY ball, got in people’s faces, made tackles, ruffled a few feathers and guess what...that inspired the fans to get right behind the team as well. That first half was as bad as I’ve seen, no excuse to set your team up like that. Utter tripe.

:top marks

The way we were set up and the passive way we started the game, handed Celtic the initiative right away and the game was lost in 20 minutes.

Sat off them and watched them run all over us. Celtic played well but the Hibs players showed no desire or belief from the off.

Contrast that with the way Aberdeen started against Rangers tonight - played the high press and got in their faces. That's the only way to get a result against Rangers/Celtic. Sit off them and they'll destroy you.

[davym7062]

What they said
Hibernian head coach Jack Ross: "First half, we were very poor, second half, we were very good - and that period when we were very poor cost us the game.

"If fans want to be critical, direct it at me. At the moment the players need backing. It's my team and I need to lead them to better results.

"Saturday is now a massive game for our season. We need to reproduce the second-half performance."

we were better in the 2nd half no doubt but if we had scored again celtic would have upped the tempo, they were comfy at 3-1

[Magpie]

Ross league record compared to Lennon.

Ross -

P: 67
W: 29
D: 16
L: 22

GF: 89
GA: 76

Lennon -

P: 60
W: 25
D: 21
L: 14

GF: 92
GA: 69

Lennon slightly better in regards of averaging higher points per match and goal difference.

[Sir David Gray]

Agreed a very backward approach tonight and worrying. It’s ok though … Ross thought we were better 2nd half

We were better in the second half but we couldn't have been much worse than the shambles that was the first half and Celtic knew they had the game won and didn't need to exert themselves too much.

The approach we took in the second half is how we should have started the game. That first 30 minutes was unacceptable and we could easily have been 5 or 6 down at that point. There's no point waiting until you're 3-0 down before deciding to play.

[J-C]

This is the reason he got emptied at Sunderland, big budget but god awful performances and tactics and failing to win big games when it mattered. Ross's 1st thoughts last night was to contain Celtic and hit them on the break, that was never going to work as we have a bang average team incapable of having a solid midfield or the ability to defend waves of attack. It was noticeable that when we had a go we were fairly even with Celtic but it was far too late. He's had 4 transfer windows to get his team right and set out his tactics, both are very poor, time to go and get someone in who will at least have the team playing on the front foot.

[Since90+2]

Hallberg is a big miss for the squad. Could always come in to any position in the midfield and play consistently well.

He really doesn't.

[bigwheel]

Hallberg is a big miss for the squad. Could always come in to any position in the midfield and play consistently well.

He’s our current version of Slivka. Will never be a regular starter, and certainly not someone who can lift us to be a regular top 4 team.


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[lucky]

I’m still backing JR, last season we finished third and had two good cup runs. Obviously we blew the chance in both cups and also lost to Hearts. But Hibs are progressing and most pundits believe that our current squad is good enough for third place. It’s down to manager and players prove that.

If we did get rid of JR who would we bring in?

[GreenCastle]

Think Hibs probably helping Hallberg recover then will assess where he is.

Was certain he was leaving last summer before the injury.

I like the guy but he’s been out a while and will take time to recover - always felt we never saw the best of him.

Midfield for a team is so crucial - We haven’t got it right centrally for several seasons - definitely an area needing sorted.

[Dmas]

I’m still backing JR, last season we finished third and had two good cup runs. Obviously we blew the chance in both cups and also lost to Hearts. But Hibs are progressing and most pundits believe that our current squad is good enough for third place. It’s down to manager and players prove that.

If we did get rid of JR who would we bring in?

If JR is so irreplaceable to us, how did lowly old hibs manage to attract him in the first place? I’m not (yet) screaming to get rid but this tired old ‘who else we gonna get’ nonsense it’s unbearable. We’re a good attraction and we have a new owner who hasn’t appointed a coach yet how do we know that he hasn’t got something up his sleeve should the time come?

The manager should be kept in his job if he’s doing a good job not because there’s a fear of replacing him

[Perfect Hatrick]

If JR is so irreplaceable to us, how did lowly old hibs manage to attract him in the first place? I’m not (yet) screaming to get rid but this tired old ‘who else we gonna get’ nonsense it’s unbearable. We’re a good attraction and we have a new owner who hasn’t appointed a coach yet how do we know that he hasn’t got something up his sleeve should the time come?

The manager should be kept in his job if he’s doing a good job not because there’s a fear of replacing him

There’s no way there isn’t a manager out there within our budget who could get more out of this currently fit squad. Therefore he’s far from irreplaceable imo.

[S4uzee]

We were better in the second half but we couldn't have been much worse than the shambles that was the first half and Celtic knew they had the game won and didn't need to exert themselves too much.

The approach we took in the second half is how we should have started the game. That first 30 minutes was unacceptable and we could easily have been 5 or 6 down at that point. There's no point waiting until you're 3-0 down before deciding to play.

Agreed and it’s easier to play when the game is done. Ross has had too many howlers now:

Last night first half
Hearts semi-final
St J semi final
SC final
Livi 0-3 at home
Dundee Utd 0-3 at home
Ross County 0-2 at home

This team just fills me with zero confidence

[Nicho87]

Agreed and it’s easier to play when the game is done. Ross has had too many howlers now:

Last night first half
Hearts semi-final
St J semi final
SC final
Livi 0-3 at home
Dundee Utd 0-3 at home
Ross County 0-2 at home

This team just fills me with zero confidence

Can we add Aberdeen away twice please

[Dmas]

There’s no way there isn’t a manager out there within our budget who could get more out of this currently fit squad. Therefore he’s far from irreplaceable imo.

That’s my point,

Squad needs work as well though I don’t think the problems are all fixed with a new manager

[Perfect Hatrick]

That’s my point,

Squad needs work as well though I don’t think the problems are all fixed with a new manager

Sorry, I knew that was your point, I was just agreeing with you. I should have been clearer!

Anyway, is he gone yet? 🙏🏻

[Dmas]

Agreed and it’s easier to play when the game is done. Ross has had too many howlers now:

Last night first half
Hearts semi-final
St J semi final
SC final
Livi 0-3 at home
Dundee Utd 0-3 at home
Ross County 0-2 at home

This team just fills me with zero confidence

I’ve not been a fan since early on the style of football been a big thing for me I find the team and JR quite negative, was listening to the guys on short bangers there and they where rattling these games off that where poor performances last season but the main thing for me is even including the games that we have won how often have you watched hibs and really enjoyed it? I can’t remember many to be honest, obviously nice to win but I’m talking about raving about the game on the way back to the car/pub sitting in the chair with a beer delighted after the game on tv, very often quickly forgotten about imo

[blackpoolhibs]

They might be able to get Nisbet to run?

And might be able to tell Gogic to sit in front of the defence and stop being a roaming playmaker, drifting to the left and at times playing behind Nisbet?
He was covering all that first half for the show pony, another game that passed him by. I suppose he was not alone, but he really is a waste of a jersey 90% of the time.

[NC1875]

I’ve not been a fan since early on the style of football been a big thing for me I find the team and JR quite negative, was listening to the guys on short bangers there and they where rattling these games off that where poor performances last season but the main thing for me is even including the games that we have won how often have you watched hibs and really enjoyed it? I can’t remember many to be honest, obviously nice to win but I’m talking about raving about the game on the way back to the car/pub sitting in the chair with a beer delighted after the game on tv, very often quickly forgotten about imo

This 100 percent. I can’t remember I watched a Hibs game I REALLY enjoyed. Even after wins last season it was all just a bit boring.

Football is an entertainment business and we aren’t getting any entertainment from Jack Ross. Throw in the now large number or terrible results and he has to go.

[Perfect Hatrick]

This 100 percent. I can’t remember I watched a Hibs game I REALLY enjoyed. Even after wins last season it was all just a bit boring.

Football is an entertainment business and we aren’t getting any entertainment from Jack Ross. Throw in the now large number or terrible results and he has to go.

We’ve played 17 games this season. I would say Motherwell, Ross County and DU away were enjoyable to varying degrees. That’s it. That really is dreadful.

[jeffers]

He was covering all that first half for the show pony, another game that passed him by. I suppose he was not alone, but he really is a waste of a jersey 90% of the time.

I thought he at least tried to get more advanced last night, but show pony is a fair description. Amazing how so many on here would have you believe he’s our best midfielder. Must all be because he’s missing Magennis apparently.

[90274]

Can he get a tune out the players?

How will he set the team up tonight?

What is the game plan?

Asked this before the game yesterday.

I would genuinely love to know what the instructions and game plan were yesterday.

It's fair to say he set the team up how I feared he would.

[90274]

International break coming up.

Good time to change the manager.

[Peevemor]

International break coming up.

Good time to change the manager.

Or this weekend when the clocks change.

As good a reason as any eh? :rolleyes:

[Perfect Hatrick]

International break coming up.

Good time to change the manager.

:agree:

He needs to go.

[GoalsMcGinley]

I’m still backing JR, last season we finished third and had two good cup runs. Obviously we blew the chance in both cups and also lost to Hearts. But Hibs are progressing and most pundits believe that our current squad is good enough for third place. It’s down to manager and players prove that.

If we did get rid of JR who would we bring in?

That last sentence is the last reason to keep a manager in a job!


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[Since452]

He's been let down in the transfer window and has been horrendously unlucky with injuries however we should still be able to beat Ross County. Saturday is massive for Jack Ross i feel. Lose and i fear for him. I hope we start the game how we finished it last night. That's how you do it.

[lucky]

That last sentence is the last reason to keep a manager in a job!


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I’m not saying that’s a reason to keep him, his record is the reason we keep him but I’m asking the question if JR leaves who do people want to replace him?

[bigwheel]

He's been let down in the transfer window and has been horrendously unlucky with injuries however we should still be able to beat Ross County. Saturday is massive for Jack Ross i feel. Lose and i fear for him. I hope we start the game how we finished it last night. That's how you do it.

Good post - That would make the second half performance worth something - if we can take it into Saturday ….it does feel like a defining game for this season .

[The Modfather]

I’m not saying that’s a reason to keep him, his record is the reason we keep him but I’m asking the question if JR leaves who do people want to replace him?

Alex Neil.

[Since452]

Good post - That would make the second half performance worth something - if we can take it into Saturday ….it does feel like a defining game for this season .

Yeah we need to use that second half as motivation. In a similar way that Dundee United surely must have used it when we beat them 3-1 at Tannadice. They have been excellent ever since.

[bigwheel]

Alex Neil.

Not looking for a change yet - but if we do change - he’d be my standout choice ….

[bigwheel]

Yeah we need to use that second half as motivation. In a similar way that Dundee United surely must have used it when we beat them 3-1 at Tannadice. They have been excellent ever since.

Getting that sort of response that would win trust back

[Since452]

Getting that sort of response that would win trust back

:agree:

[HendoDelivered]

Anyone who thinks JR is getting sacked now or anytime soon is living in dreamland IMO. We literally not long ago extended his deal. He’ll be given Jan window to get who he wants in.

[A Hi-Bee]

Said before that I did not really care one way or the other but now I think he needs to go.
we will not improve and the football on offer is just so boring, why should we put up wi it any longer.

[Perfect Hatrick]

I’m not saying that’s a reason to keep him, his record is the reason we keep him but I’m asking the question if JR leaves who do people want to replace him?

Alex Neil for me but I’d also be hopeful that we seem to be spreading our net a bit wider in terms of looking at guys like Mueller that we’d be doing the same for managers.

[Since452]

Said before that I did not really care one way or the other but now I think he needs to go.
we will not improve and the football on offer is just so boring, why should we put up wi it any longer.

I think we will definitely improve when Magennis and Doidge are back. I thought we looked a really good side up to the Rangers game.

[Alfred E Newman]

I’ve given him plenty and he’s failed every time. I think his tone of voice and mannerisms are perfectly relevant.

Doesn’t inspire me in the slightest and certainly doesn’t inspire his players

Did you ever hear Eddie Turnbull speak?

[90274]

Why would he do that?!

[Crunchie]

He's been let down in the transfer window and has been horrendously unlucky with injuries however we should still be able to beat Ross County. Saturday is massive for Jack Ross i feel. Lose and i fear for him. I hope we start the game how we finished it last night. That's how you do it.
I agree, and that's entirely down to the players. I don't for a minute believe he tells the team to start slowly every week. It's time for Captain Courageous to step up and take control of matters on the pitch like a captain should.
A manager can only do so much and I feel the players and particularly our captain are getting off too lightly.

[Since452]

I agree, and that's entirely down to the players. I don't for a minute believe he tells the team to start slowly every week. It's time for Captain Courageous to step up and take control of matters on the pitch like a captain should.
A manager can only do so much and I feel the players and particularly our captain are getting off too lightly.

I like Paul Hanlon. I also like our vice captain McGinn but i can't see either of them calling teammates out when it's needed. I just don't think they are that type of character. I might be completely wrong of course but that's the perception i get from the outside looking in.

[J-C]

He was covering all that first half for the show pony, another game that passed him by. I suppose he was not alone, but he really is a waste of a jersey 90% of the time.

I agree, as you know like you I'm no fan of Newell, the odd glimpses just won't cut it.

[Smartie]

Said before that I did not really care one way or the other but now I think he needs to go.
we will not improve and the football on offer is just so boring, why should we put up wi it any longer.

I don't think he will go. I'm still a bit torn about whether or not I want him to.

The worrying thing is though, I have absolutely zero confidence he will turn it around with this group of players. It's hard to see where our next point is coming from and I only see further free fall from here, maybe until we get Doidge and Magennis back.

The same mistakes will continue to be made, partly through lack of options and partly because of stubbornness and him just doing the things he does.

It might get ugly between now and January, although I wouldn't rule out a resurgence if the right players are bought at that point and we get Doidge and Magennis back, up to speed and without setbacks sooner rather than later.

[Onion]

He's been let down in the transfer window and has been horrendously unlucky with injuries however we should still be able to beat Ross County. Saturday is massive for Jack Ross i feel. Lose and i fear for him. I hope we start the game how we finished it last night. That's how you do it.

Sadly, there are two teams that will decide that. Celtic won the battle, match and right to relax in a blistering first 45 that Hibs were unable to get close to. For long spells Hibs couldn't even get the ball. It's easy for a team to start playing once the game is lost, so I wouldn't read too much into our "improvement" in the 2nd half. We need.a complete change in attitude from many of these players to make a game if it.

[Since452]

The more i think about it the more pissed off i get with our transfer window. I've been saying we'll improve when we get our injured players back but the damage could very well have been done. We are very lucky that Hearts haven't been good enough to string a couple of wins together as they could have been out of sight already. The pissing about with McCartt, McGrath and the failure to get a striker in who is better than James Scott has really annoyed me. They would have slotted in and made a difference when we had other players out injured.

[Smartie]

The more i think about it the more pissed off i get with our transfer window. I've been saying we'll improve when we get our injured players back but the damage could very well have been done. We are very lucky that Hearts haven't been good enough to string a couple of wins together as they could have been out of sight already. The pissing about with McCartt, McGrath and the failure to get a striker in who is better than James Scott has really annoyed me. They would have slotted in and made a difference when we had other players out injured.

I was texting my Celtic-supporting mate about the game last night and we agreed that our window this summer was a bit like their last summer. He couldn't believe how passive we were last night btw, or that they were ever interested in Nisbet...

My thoughts on the summer...

We all know that there was interest in Porteous and Nisbet at the end of January. I reckon both players wanted to go as there would have been significantly more money on offer where the interest was coming from. Hibs didn't receive any offers that tempted them to sell, players were a bit unhappy, players were dropped for a bit. Players were told they could go in the summer if we received an offer that matched our valuation. Players happy enough, up their efforts a bit and scrape through to the end of season.

Summer comes. Funny window, market affected by covid, nobody makes big moves or early moves. Hibs have targets in mind based on a windfall from selling any or all of Doig, Nisbet and Porteous and don't want to risk making cheaper, lower quality signings if there might be money coming their way. No credible bids come in but Hibs hold out for something happening late. The truth is - Hibs have hopelessly overvalued these players. Doig only has one full season as a player behind him and is raw. Porteous has an error-strewn second half to the season and is known as being talented but rash. Nisbet has had attitude issues earlier in his career and his second half of the season didn't get close to matching his first. Late in the window, still no bids have come in so it's panic stations - none of the previous "bigger budget" targets are relevant any more so we end up rushing around trying to lowball folk, gazump folk and get cheap and temporary moves in to fill gaps. Some get over the line (Scott and Wood) but the moves don't really work out, many more attempts fail.

Window closes and we're left with big problems. Players are here who don't want to be here (Nisbet and Porteous). Porteous at least appreciates that he'll never get a move unless he earns one with his performances so he still appears to be performing to an acceptable level. Nisbet has historical attitude issues, he can't really handle what has happened and goes from bad to worse (he still looked interested in August when playing for a move but hasn't tried a leg since the window shut) and to be truthful - Doig never wanted to leave anyway. He was almost being forced out, as he would probably have generated the biggest fee. There is a bit of disruption as a result of this.

Not sure what role in any of this Jack Ross plays, but Mathie is cast as the architect of the shambles (maybe, probably correctly) and thrown under a bus.



Pretty similar to Celtic last summer. Lennon is a bit of a joke figure now, but the covid halted season his record was very good. That summer he had a few issues to deal with, good players (Edouard, Ntcham) wanting to move on but other transfers lined up (Toney, Hart). The departures didn't get over the line, therefore the arrivals didn't happen and the necessary freshening up of the squad didn't happen - and they were left with some key players who simply didn't want to be there. And a few crap signings thrown into the bargain (Greek goalkeeper, Ajeti). The rest is history...

[Since452]

I was texting my Celtic-supporting mate about the game last night and we agreed that our window this summer was a bit like their last summer. He couldn't believe how passive we were last night btw, or that they were ever interested in Nisbet...

My thoughts on the summer...

We all know that there was interest in Porteous and Nisbet at the end of January. I reckon both players wanted to go as there would have been significantly more money on offer where the interest was coming from. Hibs didn't receive any offers that tempted them to sell, players were a bit unhappy, players were dropped for a bit. Players were told they could go in the summer if we received an offer that matched our valuation. Players happy enough, up their efforts a bit and scrape through to the end of season.

Summer comes. Funny window, market affected by covid, nobody makes big moves or early moves. Hibs have targets in mind based on a windfall from selling any or all of Doig, Nisbet and Porteous and don't want to risk into cheaper, lower quality signings if there might be money coming their way. No credible bids come in but Hibs hold out for something happening late. The truth is - Hibs have hopelessly overvalued these players. Doig only has one full season as a player behind him and is raw. Porteous has an error-strewn second half to the season and is known as being talented but rash. Nisbet has had attitude issues earlier in his career and his second half of the season didn't get close to matching his first. Late in the window, still no bids have come in so it's panic stations - none of the previous "bigger budget" targets are relevant any more so we end up rushing around trying to lowball folk, gazump folk and get cheap and temporary moves in to fill gaps. Some get over the line (Scott and Wood) but the moves don't really work out, many more attempts fail.

Window closes and we're left with big problems. Players are here who don't want to be here (Nisbet and Porteous). Porteous at least appreciates that he'll never get a move unless he earns one with his performances so he still appears to be performing to an acceptable level. Nisbet has historical attitude issues, he can't really handle what has happened and goes from bad to worse (he still looked interested in August when playing for a move but hasn't tried a leg since the window shut) and to be truthful - Doig never wanted to leave anyway. He was almost being forced out, as he would probably have generated the biggest fee. There is a bit of disruption as a result of this.

Not sure what role in any of this Jack Ross plays, but Mathie is cast as the architect of the shambles (maybe, probably correctly) and thrown under a bus.



Pretty similar to Celtic last summer. Lennon is a bit of a joke figure now, but the covid halted season his record was very good. That summer he had a few issues to deal with, good players (Edouard, Ntcham) wanting to move on but other transfers lined up (Toney, Hart). The departures didn't get over the line, therefore the arrivals didn't happen and the necessary freshening up of the squad didn't happen - and they were left with some key players who simply didn't want to be there. And a few crap signings thrown into the bargain (Greek goalkeeper, Ajeti). The rest is history...

Trying to gazump Hearts bid for Barrie McKay after they had been talking to him for weeks was when i realised we didn't have any plan in place whatsoever. Extremely poor. Mathie has paid the price but i just hope we get to January not too far off our rivals and push on from there.

[mcfly]

Why would Ron Gordon back Ross in jan?

If he keeps up current form we will be too far behind and be a bottom 6 club.

He doesn’t inspire the support, has no passion for the club and for me is driving fans away with his boring negative dull football and personality.

The defence is poor we can all see it but he does nothing to sort it 🙈🙈

[Perfect Hatrick]

Why would Ron Gordon back Ross in jan?

If he keeps up current form we will be too far behind and be a bottom 6 club.

He doesn’t inspire the support, has no passion for the club and for me is driving fans away with his boring negative dull football and personality.

The defence is poor we can all see it but he does nothing to sort it 🙈🙈

That’s what I don’t get about the logic of seeing us through to January and letting him sign players.

We’re two years in to JRs tenure and this is what he’s built. The squad is horrendous. The management of that squad is pish. The way we play is brutal. It doesn’t make a lot of sense to me to let him have another go at it.

From what I can see we’ve made 19 signings with JR as manager. How many have been real successes? Very few imo.

[Peevemor]

Why would Ron Gordon back Ross in jan?

If he keeps up current form we will be too far behind and be a bottom 6 club.

He doesn’t inspire the support, has no passion for the club and for me is driving fans away with his boring negative dull football and personality.

The defence is poor we can all see it but he does nothing to sort it ����

Maybe because Ron will remember what most of those swarming over the boards today have forgotten - that when Ross has a decent pool of players to choose from, we actually do pretty well.

[bingo70]

Why would Ron Gordon back Ross in jan?

If he keeps up current form we will be too far behind and be a bottom 6 club.

He doesn’t inspire the support, has no passion for the club and for me is driving fans away with his boring negative dull football and personality.

The defence is poor we can all see it but he does nothing to sort it 🙈🙈

Lot of football to be played between now and January.

I don’t think Ross’s job is under any serious threat just now, there’s 11 games between now snd the January window opening. If he turns this form around he’ll get tk buy players in January. If he doesn’t he won’t be here then so that’s a worry for a different day.

[Peevemor]

That’s what I don’t get about the logic of seeing us through to January and letting him sign players.

We’re two years in to JRs tenure and this is what he’s built. The squad is horrendous. The management of that squad is pish. The way we play is brutal. It doesn’t make a lot of sense to me to let him have another go at it.

From what I can see we’ve made 19 signings with JR as manager. How many have been real successes? Very few imo.

Because Ross's signings have generally been good.

[90274]

Maybe because Ron will remember what most of those swarming over the boards today have forgotten - that when Ross has a decent pool of players to choose from, we actually do pretty well.

We don't do well in the big games though.

Ron should be looking to get someone in so we at least have a fighting chance in the Semi Final.

[bigwheel]

We don't do well in the big games though.

Ron should be looking to get someone in so we at least have a fighting chance in the Semi Final.

Big games are situational …Saturday is now a big game for us ….

[Peevemor]

We don't do well in the big games though.

Ron should be looking to get someone in so we at least have a fighting chance in the Semi Final.

You're beginning to resemble another poster who was like a scratched record too.

[CJHibby]

Daniel Stendel 🙂

[jacomo]

Why would Ron Gordon back Ross in jan?

If he keeps up current form we will be too far behind and be a bottom 6 club.

He doesn’t inspire the support, has no passion for the club and for me is driving fans away with his boring negative dull football and personality.

The defence is poor we can all see it but he does nothing to sort it 🙈🙈


He’s rotated Lewis, Cadden, Daz and Wood in and out of the back line in recent weeks.

Ok it’s not working but in what sense has he ‘done nothing’?

Let’s try and stick to the facts please.

[madhatter]

Maybe because Ron will remember what most of those swarming over the boards today have forgotten - that when Ross has a decent pool of players to choose from, we acutally do pretty well.

Same back 4 as last season. They played almost every game last season so Jack Ross didn't use a pool of players in those positions. We cannot defend a cross into our box with the same players so they've either forgotten how to defend or what they are doing on the training pitch isn't working.

Based on last season and in my opinion, pool of players doesn't come into this - we didn't really use a pool of players, there was minimal rotation.

Doidge and Magennis coming back is almost biblical at this stage. Doidge may never come back the same but fans think he will be back shortly and remedy all our problems. Magennis is similar.

Campbell was a perfectly good option in the pool for use and Jack Ross hasn't used him. I do think he picked up an injury earlier in the season but pretty sure he's been back for a while.

What those that gracefully flock together are forgetting is we ground out results last season because we could defend at a decent standard at the very least. Most results were 1-0 or 2-1 style from recollection.

[JimBHibees]

That’s what I don’t get about the logic of seeing us through to January and letting him sign players.

We’re two years in to JRs tenure and this is what he’s built. The squad is horrendous. The management of that squad is pish. The way we play is brutal. It doesn’t make a lot of sense to me to let him have another go at it.

From what I can see we’ve made 19 signings with JR as manager. How many have been real successes? Very few imo.

We were all these that things last season yet miraculously ended up third in the league and in both semi and a final. About a month ago we were going top of the league until a red card.

[Crab apple]

I was texting my Celtic-supporting mate about the game last night and we agreed that our window this summer was a bit like their last summer. He couldn't believe how passive we were last night btw, or that they were ever interested in Nisbet...

My thoughts on the summer...

We all know that there was interest in Porteous and Nisbet at the end of January. I reckon both players wanted to go as there would have been significantly more money on offer where the interest was coming from. Hibs didn't receive any offers that tempted them to sell, players were a bit unhappy, players were dropped for a bit. Players were told they could go in the summer if we received an offer that matched our valuation. Players happy enough, up their efforts a bit and scrape through to the end of season.

Summer comes. Funny window, market affected by covid, nobody makes big moves or early moves. Hibs have targets in mind based on a windfall from selling any or all of Doig, Nisbet and Porteous and don't want to risk making cheaper, lower quality signings if there might be money coming their way. No credible bids come in but Hibs hold out for something happening late. The truth is - Hibs have hopelessly overvalued these players. Doig only has one full season as a player behind him and is raw. Porteous has an error-strewn second half to the season and is known as being talented but rash. Nisbet has had attitude issues earlier in his career and his second half of the season didn't get close to matching his first. Late in the window, still no bids have come in so it's panic stations - none of the previous "bigger budget" targets are relevant any more so we end up rushing around trying to lowball folk, gazump folk and get cheap and temporary moves in to fill gaps. Some get over the line (Scott and Wood) but the moves don't really work out, many more attempts fail.

Window closes and we're left with big problems. Players are here who don't want to be here (Nisbet and Porteous). Porteous at least appreciates that he'll never get a move unless he earns one with his performances so he still appears to be performing to an acceptable level. Nisbet has historical attitude issues, he can't really handle what has happened and goes from bad to worse (he still looked interested in August when playing for a move but hasn't tried a leg since the window shut) and to be truthful - Doig never wanted to leave anyway. He was almost being forced out, as he would probably have generated the biggest fee. There is a bit of disruption as a result of this.

Not sure what role in any of this Jack Ross plays, but Mathie is cast as the architect of the shambles (maybe, probably correctly) and thrown under a bus.



Pretty similar to Celtic last summer. Lennon is a bit of a joke figure now, but the covid halted season his record was very good. That summer he had a few issues to deal with, good players (Edouard, Ntcham) wanting to move on but other transfers lined up (Toney, Hart). The departures didn't get over the line, therefore the arrivals didn't happen and the necessary freshening up of the squad didn't happen - and they were left with some key players who simply didn't want to be there. And a few crap signings thrown into the bargain (Greek goalkeeper, Ajeti). The rest is history...

I think a lot of what you are saying is probably pretty close to the mark. I do know however that Ryan was not angling for a move and in the summer was intent on staying for a couple of more seasons with the expectation of winning something. The summer window cock up has cost us and I'm not sure how much success we'll have in fully rectifying things in January. It might be summer next year before we get the right squad balance and depth in place. If results don't improve after that then I've no doubt RG will act in terms of JR's position.

[madhatter]

We were all these that things last season yet miraculously ended up third in the league and in both semi and a final. About a month ago we were going top of the league until a red card.

My car was a perfectly good car until the tyres fell off.

[Perfect Hatrick]

We were all these that things last season yet miraculously ended up third in the league and in both semi and a final. About a month ago we were going top of the league until a red card.

And now that we’ve played everybody once we’re mid table and heading towards the bottom 6.

We had a hugely favourable start to the season. Now that we’ve played everybody once we’ve got a much better idea what this teams about.

[blackpoolhibs]

My car was a perfectly good car until the tyres fell off.

We tried to get new tyres in the last window, but nobody would give us their tyres for the price we wanted to pay, so we got a few retreads until we can try again in January.

[madhatter]

We tried to get new tyres in the last window, but nobody would give us their tyres for the price we wanted to pay, so we got a few retreads until we can try again in January.

Should probably stop going to the bargain basement for tyres and being cheapskates then. Was it Allan, Wright and a packet of cigarettes for McGrath?

If we go after McGrath and McCart again in January we will look like a bit of a joke in my opinion.

[blackpoolhibs]

Should probably stop going to the bargain basement for tyres and being cheapskates then. Was it Allan, Wright and a packet of cigarettes for McGrath?

If we go after McGrath and McCart again in January we will look like a bit of a joke in my opinion.

Why?

[Coco Bryce]

We tried to get new tyres in the last window, but nobody would give us their tyres for the price we wanted to pay, so we got a few retreads until we can try again in January.

:thumbsup:

[JimBHibees]

And now that we’ve played everybody once we’re mid table and heading towards the bottom 6.

We had a hugely favourable start to the season. Now that we’ve played everybody once we’ve got a much better idea what this teams about.

We are in poor form it happens. Time for the coach and especially the players to sort it out.

[madhatter]

Should probably stop going to the bargain basement for tyres and being cheapskates then. Was it Allan, Wright and a packet of cigarettes for McGrath?

If we go after McGrath and McCart again in January we will look like a bit of a joke in my opinion.

Why?

Because McGrath possibly picked up a bad injury this weekend and is out of contract in the summer. McGrath won't fix our midfield problems in my opinion. We need hard working, mobile players and from what I've seen of him he's another tidy passer type.

McCart? I don't think he's great and I'm sure St Johnstone will make us pay an inflated price.

We sign Wright, Magennis, JDH, Gogic type players and then in many circumstances, especially with St Mirren, they seem to recruit a player of similar quality on a free or very cheap. Why can't we find these cheap players from out with the Scottish game?

Did we not pinch some of the "big" players from competitor clubs further down the league when we got relegated? Rowan Vine, Owain Tudur Jones etc.

[CMurdoch]

I was texting my Celtic-supporting mate about the game last night and we agreed that our window this summer was a bit like their last summer. He couldn't believe how passive we were last night btw, or that they were ever interested in Nisbet...

My thoughts on the summer...

We all know that there was interest in Porteous and Nisbet at the end of January. I reckon both players wanted to go as there would have been significantly more money on offer where the interest was coming from. Hibs didn't receive any offers that tempted them to sell, players were a bit unhappy, players were dropped for a bit. Players were told they could go in the summer if we received an offer that matched our valuation. Players happy enough, up their efforts a bit and scrape through to the end of season.

Summer comes. Funny window, market affected by covid, nobody makes big moves or early moves. Hibs have targets in mind based on a windfall from selling any or all of Doig, Nisbet and Porteous and don't want to risk making cheaper, lower quality signings if there might be money coming their way. No credible bids come in but Hibs hold out for something happening late. The truth is - Hibs have hopelessly overvalued these players. Doig only has one full season as a player behind him and is raw. Porteous has an error-strewn second half to the season and is known as being talented but rash. Nisbet has had attitude issues earlier in his career and his second half of the season didn't get close to matching his first. Late in the window, still no bids have come in so it's panic stations - none of the previous "bigger budget" targets are relevant any more so we end up rushing around trying to lowball folk, gazump folk and get cheap and temporary moves in to fill gaps. Some get over the line (Scott and Wood) but the moves don't really work out, many more attempts fail.

Window closes and we're left with big problems. Players are here who don't want to be here (Nisbet and Porteous). Porteous at least appreciates that he'll never get a move unless he earns one with his performances so he still appears to be performing to an acceptable level. Nisbet has historical attitude issues, he can't really handle what has happened and goes from bad to worse (he still looked interested in August when playing for a move but hasn't tried a leg since the window shut) and to be truthful - Doig never wanted to leave anyway. He was almost being forced out, as he would probably have generated the biggest fee. There is a bit of disruption as a result of this.

Not sure what role in any of this Jack Ross plays, but Mathie is cast as the architect of the shambles (maybe, probably correctly) and thrown under a bus.



Pretty similar to Celtic last summer. Lennon is a bit of a joke figure now, but the covid halted season his record was very good. That summer he had a few issues to deal with, good players (Edouard, Ntcham) wanting to move on but other transfers lined up (Toney, Hart). The departures didn't get over the line, therefore the arrivals didn't happen and the necessary freshening up of the squad didn't happen - and they were left with some key players who simply didn't want to be there. And a few crap signings thrown into the bargain (Greek goalkeeper, Ajeti). The rest is history...

Lots of good stuff in that post Smartie.
The other factor that I would say has hurt us is the rigid signing policy.
Ron like every other foreign owner in Scotland from Vlad onwards sees our proximity to England and the big bucks there and thinks they can get a piece of the action by creating a shop window and stocking the shop by either bringing through our own young players or signing young players of high potential, develop them and sell them on for a large profit, rince and repeat.
The perfect storm of the pandemic shutdown and Ron having cash allowed us to railroad cash strapped smaller teams and bring in two such high quality young players, Nisbet and Magennis, with no other suitors in sight. Both fit the model plus we produce Doig ourselves. We have a small squad and avoid injuries to key players and finish 3rd.
However, since then teams have got back on track and we only managed to sign McKay, Doyle-Hayes and 2 Christmas presents in Mueller and the kid from Raith all of whom fit our signing model but are a step down from last seasons steals. Plus we bizarrely keep to the same signing model for our loan signings Wood and Scott!
The problem for Mathie was Ron had seen him identify and sign Nisbet and Magennis for buttons compared to their value and demands more of the same. This rigid signing policy means Mathie can't sign experienced players that are Hibs standard and is stuck trying to find young players of high potential who are ........and this is the kicker, .....cheap. Mathie is realistically stuck in an impossible position unless he can sell Doig but the player and his value has been hyped way beyond his ability and that falls flat.
As a result of the rigid signing policy we sign no experience and have no resilience which injuries to key players this season cruely exposes.
Next summer we must sign a couple of battle hardened 27 to 29 year old professionals to play alongside the kids.

[CentreLine]

I like Paul Hanlon. I also like our vice captain McGinn but i can't see either of them calling teammates out when it's needed. I just don't think they are that type of character. I might be completely wrong of course but that's the perception i get from the outside looking in.

It’s more than that. They are not leaders on the park. They should be encouraging, organising, controlling things on the park, not just calling players out when things go wrong. We have not had that sort of leader on the park since Frank Sauzee.
Best I’ve seen at ER recently was Mulgrew for Dundee Utd, he absolutely bossed everything that happened.

[RossScott1991]

It’s soo hard to assess Ross.

When he has his best team to pick - we generally do well and pick up a lot of points. More than any other team out with old firm.

On flip side - the big games in cup / old firm / certain derbies have been powderpuff bar a couple of decent results and performances. I didn’t think we played badly at tynecastle this season?

Recruitment - criminal all round from manager , recruitment and the club. Leaving ourselves short especially in striker area for what 3 seasons in a row now.

Saturday is massive for the season and could be defining. I feel if Magennis wasn’t made of biscuit and doidge was fit we’d be points better off.

Strong 11 but not a strong squad. I feel we should stick with him for this season and assess it at the end. But short term we need to grind out a few results and get to January get players back and arrival of Mueller see how it goes. But there’s no doubt pressure is beginning to build for sure there is no denying.

For what it’s worth I actually think Hecky would have lasted longer as Hibs manager if he had Boyle to pick from in that period in charge. With Boyle being one of our few shining lights this year I just wonder how much he is keeping Ross from being under more severe pressure before now

[blackpoolhibs]

[QUOTE=blackpoolhibs;6735868]

Because McGrath possibly picked up a bad injury this weekend and is out of contract in the summer. McGrath won't fix our midfield problems in my opinion. We need hard working, mobile players and from what I've seen of him he's another tidy passer type.

McCart? I don't think he's great and I'm sure St Johnstone will make us pay an inflated price.

We sign Wright, Magennis, JDH, Gogic type players and then in many circumstances, especially with St Mirren, they seem to recruit a player of similar quality on a free or very cheap. Why can't we find these cheap players from out with the Scottish game?

Did we not pinch some of the "big" players from competitor clubs further down the league when we got relegated? Rowan Vine, Owain Tudur Jones etc.

McGrath looks like he may have a hamstring pull, hardly a career ending injury, and McCart's contract ends in 2022, they will look to either get him signed up again or sell very soon. Whether you rate him or not has nothing to do with what the club will or should do, and certainly not a joke.

[jacomo]

That’s what I don’t get about the logic of seeing us through to January and letting him sign players.

We’re two years in to JRs tenure and this is what he’s built. The squad is horrendous. The management of that squad is pish. The way we play is brutal. It doesn’t make a lot of sense to me to let him have another go at it.

From what I can see we’ve made 19 signings with JR as manager. How many have been real successes? Very few imo.


I think you’re at it.

The squad is far from horrendous. We’ve made some decent acquisitions over the past 2 years, some not so good.

Go have a lie down.

[madhatter]

[QUOTE=madhatter;6735883]

McGrath looks like he may have a hamstring pull, hardly a career ending injury, and McCart's contract ends in 2022, they will look to either get him signed up again or sell very soon. Whether you rate him or not has nothing to do with what the club will or should do, and certainly not a joke.

I'd find it funny so I'm calling it a joke.

[blackpoolhibs]

[QUOTE=blackpoolhibs;6735898]

I'd find it funny so I'm calling it a joke.
Well done.

[Perfect Hatrick]

I think you’re at it.

The squad is far from horrendous. We’ve made some decent acquisitions over the past 2 years, some not so good.

Go have a lie down.

The squad as a whole absolutely is horrendous. We’re woefully short. This is supposed to be the squad of a club that wants to finish third and challenge for cups.

It’s absolutely nowhere near that level. Very few of the signings under Ross have made much of an impact. 19 signings and 4 windows to have very few of your players making an impact is poor.

From last nights team we had:

Macey - decent but a downgrade on Marciano.
McGinn - decent. No more, no less.
Gogic - poor
JDH - decent start, not so great recently but overall an alright signing
Murphy - never fit for long and seems to manage to contribute very little in terms of goals and assists
Nisbet - started well, now absolutely dreadful.

2 years in and that’s the extent of his signings that are on the pitch for us. Hardly a ringing endorsement to allow JR another to at it is it?

[Langlee Hibs]

It’s more than that. They are not leaders on the park. They should be encouraging, organising, controlling things on the park, not just calling players out when things go wrong. We have not had that sort of leader on the park since Frank Sauzee.
Best I’ve seen at ER recently was Mulgrew for Dundee Utd, he absolutely bossed everything that happened.
Mulgrew would have been an outrageously good signing for us and while we're at it so would've Broonie. Exactly the experienced leaders we sadly lack at the moment.

[Key West]

Mulgrew would have been an outrageously good signing for us and while we're at it so would've Broonie. Exactly the experienced leaders we sadly lack at the moment.

Mulgrew and Brown are players that enjoy the game and the challenges, I agree.

[Hibernia&Alba]

He needs to end this run of form pronto. I'm not calling for his sacking at this point, but isn't good enough just now.

[Stuart93]

He needs to end this run of form pronto. I'm not calling for his sacking at this point, but isn't good enough just now.

I reckon he gets Saturday. Lose that one and it should spell the end

[Coco Bryce]

I reckon he gets Saturday. Lose that one and it should spell the end

Surely Ross County can't win 2 games on the bounce :rolleyes:

[Stuart93]

Surely Ross County can't win 2 games on the bounce :rolleyes:

They’ll be absolutely buzzing after their win last night, raring to go.

If we can pick up where we left off last night we should have enough but the way we’ve started games this season, everything’s pointing towards us starting slowly as per.

It’s time for JR to step up and get a performance out of his team. The time for talking and giving it the “we’ll be looking to bounce back” is done.

[keep the faith]

Do we know why Allan was not in the squad last night?

[mcfly]

He’s rotated Lewis, Cadden, Daz and Wood in and out of the back line in recent weeks.

Ok it’s not working but in what sense has he ‘done nothing’?

Let’s try and stick to the facts please.

🤣🤣

Still make the same mistakes every week
Panic stations when a ball is put in the box
Do they not work on this at training?

Sorry I’ll disagree with you - he’s an uninspiring manager who is driving fans away. And That is a fact looking at number of empty seats at ER

[Hibernia&Alba]

I reckon he gets Saturday. Lose that one and it should spell the end

You think he could be that close to the brink? I think he would get more time, but he needs some results fast.

[Coco Bryce]

They’ll be absolutely buzzing after their win last night, raring to go.

If we can pick up where we left off last night we should have enough but the way we’ve started games this season, everything’s pointing towards us starting slowly as per.

It’s time for JR to step up and get a performance out of his team. The time for talking and giving it the “we’ll be looking to bounce back” is done.

Agree.

Saturday is Ross's last chance for me.

[Sir David Gray]

You think he could be that close to the brink? I think he would get more time, but he needs some results fast.

I don't think he would go after a defeat on Saturday but a further defeat against Livingston and in the semi final may well signal the end.

He needs results quickly that's for sure.

[Stuart93]

You think he could be that close to the brink? I think he would get more time, but he needs some results fast.

I’m genuinely not sure RG will be that forgiving.

If we were to get beat on Saturday that would be 4 points out of the last 21 available. How long do we wait for things to turn?

Last night I was like, he needs to go that’s it. But now I’ve had time to reflect I’m not too sure if sacking him would 100% be the right thing to do BUT like others are saying we need results and need them quick. He’s doing a lot of talking in his post match interviews without any of it being backed up on the pitch. That’s a worry.

[thebausburst]

As pointed out in todays Hootsmon the club now on worst run of results since Butcher. There are imo similarities in that hes called the players out publicly and not had a positive reaction, when we go behind its game over as we never seem to be capable of coming back in games, certain players are clearly not playing/responding to him and hes alienated others like Allan.

[The 90+2]

Sadly I feel he's lost the dressing room.

[greenpaper55]

I see in the EN that Ross has asked the players to reproduce the second half performance of last night, i would have thought he might have done that two years ago! He has not got a clue and we are going to get worse under him, if he had it in hime to turn things around why not do it a few games ago instead of waiting until we are on a terrible run ?

[Peevemor]

I see in the EN that Ross has asked the players to reproduce the second half performance of last night, i would have thought he might have done that two years ago! He has not got a clue and we are going to get worse under him, if he had it in hime to turn things around why not do it a few games ago instead of waiting until we are on a terrible run ?

Whatever he says people are going to complain.

How predictable.

[CMurdoch]

You think he could be that close to the brink? I think he would get more time, but he needs some results fast.

I don't think he is.
The current slump is down to injuries to Doidge and Magennis plus the sending of v Rangers and subsequent suspension of Porteous for Dundee Utd and Aberdeen games. All on a base of a pandemic shutdown and few summer recruits arriving before January.

When Lennon and Heckenbottom were sacked it was obvious that both were in deep trouble and not going to recover.
Ross situation is a temporary blip with reasons behind it.

[greenpaper55]

Whatever he says people are going to complain.

How predictable.
If he spoke some sense we would not complain.

[Stuart93]

Whatever he says people are going to complain.

How predictable.

And rightfully so if his team can’t back up what he’s been saying in the media and on hibs TV.

[Hibernia&Alba]

As pointed out in todays Hootsmon the club now on worst run of results since Butcher. There are imo similarities in that hes called the players out publicly and not had a positive reaction, when we go behind its game over as we never seem to be capable of coming back in games, certain players are clearly not playing/responding to him and hes alienated others like Allan.

I didn't know it's our worst form since the Tory turd. A couple of tricky away games ahead, too.

[Peevemor]

If he spoke some sense we would not complain.

That's right - he never speaks any sense.

Things are bad enough without inventing stuff.

[Perfect Hatrick]

I didn't know it's our worst form since the Tory turd. A couple of tricky away games ahead, too.

A dreadful stat.

[ehf]

As pointed out in todays Hootsmon the club now on worst run of results since Butcher. There are imo similarities in that hes called the players out publicly and not had a positive reaction, when we go behind its game over as we never seem to be capable of coming back in games, certain players are clearly not playing/responding to him and hes alienated others like Allan.

Yup, we have seen this movie before. Ross is not going to turn it round. I would punt him and Potter now and put David Gray in charge for the Ross County game.

[bigwheel]

I see in the EN that Ross has asked the players to reproduce the second half performance of last night, i would have thought he might have done that two years ago! He has not got a clue and we are going to get worse under him, if he had it in hime to turn things around why not do it a few games ago instead of waiting until we are on a terrible run ?

Honestly. If that is what you are reacting to - then there is nothing he can say that would appease you . What else would you hope he was saying to the players after last night ? Because that is precisely what I would want him to be demanding

[Peevemor]

Honestly. If that is what you are reacting to - then there is nothing he can say that would appease you . What else would you hope he was saying to the players after last night ? Because that is precisely what I would want him to be demanding

The thing is, even if he wins the next couple of games and the semi final it won't be good enough because "he's lost the fans".

Once the pitchforks are out and mob mentality sets in then there's no longer room for reason.

[GoalsMcGinley]

I don’t buy the “let down in the transfer window” nonsense.

Every player signed in the JR era has been a player identified by or known to JR other than Matt Macey and Nathan Wood. These 2 were recruitment team players who JR rubber stamped. It became abundantly clear we were NEVER going to get JRs 1st choice CB signing (mccart - who is woeful btw) very early on in the window. It was JR who wanted to keep trying until about 20 seconds before the deadline. Not GM or the recruitment team.

I’m not saying GM is blameless but there are far too many people giving JR an out due to the transfer window. A transfer window in which he is just as culpable for it’s mediocrity as GM and the recruitment team!


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[bigwheel]

I don’t buy the “let down in the transfer window” nonsense.

Every player signed in the JR era has been a player identified by or known to JR other than Matt Macey and Nathan Wood. These 2 were recruitment team players who JR rubber stamped. It became abundantly clear we were NEVER going to get JRs 1st choice CB signing (mccart - who is woeful btw) very early on in the window. It was JR who wanted to keep trying until about 20 seconds before the deadline. Not GM or the recruitment team.

I’m not saying GM is blameless but there are far too many people giving JR an out due to the transfer window. A transfer window in which he is just as culpable for it’s mediocrity as GM and the recruitment team!


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If what you say is correct - then wouldn’t JR’s other picks of Ross McCrorie , david Bates, Barry MacKay, McCart , McGrath..etc that we missed out on despite trying for ..have improved us ?? And as a result Isn’t it fair to Conclude that he hasn’t been well Served by the club in transfers

[GoalsMcGinley]

McCrorie, Bates, McKay were all offered deals by Hibs (apparently) and chose elsewhere. That’s not down to the club or the manager. He’s been backed in every window he’s been here. Not getting deals over the line doesn’t prove he’s not been backed. It simply proves we missed out on targets. Which we should have back ups for.

Jack Ross has been more than backed in the transfer market. To say otherwise is just nonsense.


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[bigwheel]

McCrorie, Bates, McKay were all offered deals by Hibs (apparently) and chose elsewhere. That’s not down to the club or the manager. He’s been backed in every window he’s been here. Not getting deals over the line doesn’t prove he’s not been backed. It simply proves we missed out on targets. Which we should have back ups for.

Jack Ross has been more than backed in the transfer market. To say otherwise is just nonsense.


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Hahaha. So the club are only accountable for signing Players who have no other options ?? And as a result Jack Ross has been supported well..only people wanting to isolate Jack Ross believe that - no reasonable assessment would suggest the last couple of windows have been successfully executed by Hibs.

You’ve clearly made up your mind and will not bring any balance in to you thinking ..enjoy your painful Jack Ross thoughts [emoji106][emoji3]

[Peevemor]

McCrorie, Bates, McKay were all offered deals by Hibs (apparently) and chose elsewhere. That’s not down to the club or the manager. He’s been backed in every window he’s been here. Not getting deals over the line doesn’t prove he’s not been backed. It simply proves we missed out on targets. Which we should have back ups for.

Jack Ross has been more than backed in the transfer market. To say otherwise is just nonsense.


So the fact that we've played most of this season with one established but off form CF is because he's been more than backed?

[The 90+2]

So the fact that we've played most of this season with one established but off form CF is because he's been more than backed?

He thought Jimmy Scott was a good idea, just in case and bid for some boy down south on deadline day.

It seems Ross and the recruitment team farted about all summer when new signings should have been sounded out from January for us being in Europe in the summer. You literally sat here all summer calling people bedwetters when it looked like the recruitment was failing.

Now, you're blaming the recruitment, which imo you wouldn't do if Mathie wasn't sacked.

[Smartie]

The thing is, even if he wins the next couple of games and the semi final it won't be good enough because "he's lost the fans".

Once the pitchforks are out and mob mentality sets in then there's no longer room for reason.

I disagree.

Fans get criticised for being negative, fans get criticised for being fickle. One might even make a credible argument that fans can be criticised for being overly positive:greengrin.

If he won those games, many would be back onside, especially the semi final.

We're still near enough to the top that if there were signs of promise many people would be prepared to give him the benefit of the doubt.

His problem is that there seems to be little to hang onto at the moment, short of an uplift in performance yesterday after Celtic took their foot off the gas.

When all is said and done, we're not far off the top of the league. The problem we have is that the way we are playing we're looking down the league rather than up. 2 league wins would change that.

I believe that most fans are fickle. I know I am, and I expect some good results would see a shift in mood, even allowing for those who are permanently positive or miserable.

[bigwheel]

He thought Jimmy Scott was a good idea, just in case and bid for some boy down south on deadline day.

It seems Ross and the recruitment team farted about all summer when new signings should have been sounded out from January for us being in Europe in the summer. You literally sat here all summer calling people bedwetters when it looked like the recruitment was failing.

Now, you're blaming the recruitment, which imo you wouldn't do if Mathie wasn't sacked.

I’d say it was pretty well known that Ross as very underwhelmed by the last couple of transfer windows . He’s done well to keep that tone out of the press ..

The fact that Mathie is away is a clear testament to the senior teams views on how good they were .

He’s got a lot of questions to answer , but surely no one can be suggesting Ross has been well backed in the recent window ?

[JimBHibees]

If he spoke some sense we would not complain.

He speaks complete sense the vast majority of the time.

[Peevemor]

He thought Jimmy Scott was a good idea, just in case and bid for some boy down south on deadline day.

It seems Ross and the recruitment team farted about all summer when new signings should have been sounded out from January for us being in Europe in the summer. You literally sat here all summer calling people bedwetters when it looked like the recruitment was failing.

Now, you're blaming the recruitment, which imo you wouldn't do if Mathie wasn't sacked.

I was replying to someone who said that Ross has been "more then backed" which suggests an excess - which obviously isn't the case.

[The 90+2]

I’d say it was pretty well known that Ross as very underwhelmed by the last couple of transfer windows . He’s done well to keep that tone out of the press ..

The fact that Mathie is away is a clear testament to the senior teams views on how good they were .

He’s got a lot of questions to answer , but surely no one can be suggesting Ross has been well backed in the recent window ?

I agree. I don't think he was. I think the club gambled on selling a player or 2. I wouldn't blame Mathie though.

Jack Ross was Mathie's recommendation to the board back by LD. My worry would be who we replace him with.

[bigwheel]

I agree. I don't think he was. I think the club gambled on selling a player or 2. I wouldn't blame Mathie though.

Jack Ross was Mathie's recommendation to the board back by LD. My worry would be who we replace him with.

I’m a still a Ross in guy …think he needs to start getting better results though

[The 90+2]

I was replying to someone who said that Ross has been "more then backed" which suggests an excess - which obviously isn't the case.

Have you got a link to the post confirming you got it wrong in the summer slandering people as bedwetters? :confused:

[Peevemor]

I disagree.

Fans get criticised for being negative, fans get criticised for being fickle. One might even make a credible argument that fans can be criticised for being overly positive:greengrin.

If he won those games, many would be back onside, especially the semi final.

We're still near enough to the top that if there were signs of promise many people would be prepared to give him the benefit of the doubt.

His problem is that there seems to be little to hang onto at the moment, short of an uplift in performance yesterday after Celtic took their foot off the gas.

When all is said and done, we're not far off the top of the league. The problem we have is that the way we are playing we're looking down the league rather than up. 2 league wins would change that.

I believe that most fans are fickle. I know I am, and I expect some good results would see a shift in mood, even allowing for those who are permanently positive or miserable.

Nonsense.

There are plenty who've had the knives out for him since last season. Some reluctantly acknowledged the improvement/change in style at the beginning of this season but the criticism from certain people has been ever present.

Last night's result brought them all out - posters we've hardly seen were all over this place like a rash.

Desparate stuff.

[Peevemor]

Have you got a link to the post confirming you got it wrong in the summer slandering people as bedwetters? :confused:

No (I honestly don't remember that). I'll leave you to look for it if you want.

But slander??? Get real.

Edit - I searched and here's the only thing I've found about bed wetting

https://www.hibs.net/showthread.php?352993-Hibs-match-thread-21-22&p=6690967&viewfull=1#post6690967

[cabbageandribs1875]

No (I honestly don't remember that). I'll leave you to look for it if you want.

But slander??? Get real.

Edit - I searched and here's the only thing I've found about bed wetting

https://www.hibs.net/showthread.php?352993-Hibs-match-thread-21-22&p=6690967&viewfull=1#post6690967


i believe it's Libel, prepare yourself for court proceedings

[Peevemor]

i believe it's Libel, prepare yourself for court proceedings

How does the extradition thing work with Brexit and all that?

[Smartie]

He speaks complete sense the vast majority of the time.

I think he speaks well and have no issue with anything he's saying.

He's saying the right stuff for a manager whose team are underperforming.

I'm still torn on him as I (understandably) have issues with multiple aspects of our performances but I think he talks well and has continued to do so throughout this mini-crisis.

Whilst the team continues to play the way it does though, he'll get grief from some folk every time he opens his mouth.

[heretoday]

He's had his two years.
It's time to go.

[Nicho87]

Ross will get the next couple of games and minimum of 4 points must be taken imo

Nothing less.

[Stuart93]

Ross will get the next couple of games and minimum of 4 points must be taken imo

Nothing less.

Na. A minimum of 6 points for me against Ross County & Livi.

If we can’t beat the form/better teams in the league we need to be taking maximum points off the smaller teams.

[bingo70]

Na. A minimum of 6 points for me against Ross County & Livi.

If we can’t beat the form/better teams in the league we need to be taking maximum points off the smaller teams.

He won’t get sacked though if we fail to get 6 points in those 2 games.

If we lose those both then there’ll be a decision to be made.

[JimBHibees]

Nonsense.

There are plenty who've had the knives out for him since last season. Some reluctantly acknowledged the improvement/change in style at the beginning of this season but the criticism from certain people has been ever present.

Last night's result brought them all out - posters we've hardly seen were all over this place like a rash.

Desparate stuff.

Yep definitely a bit of a campaign from fans who only got interested enough in discussing Hibs on Hibs net in the last few weeks. I thought we were losing fans but in fact seem to be gaining a few new ones. :greengrin

[JimBHibees]

I’m a still a Ross in guy …think he needs to start getting better results though

Agree and performances from the first whistle.

[Hibernia&Alba]

He won’t get sacked though if we fail to get 6 points in those 2 games.

If we lose those both then there’ll be a decision to be made.

Yes, huge games coming for Ross against Ross County and Livi. He really needs to win at least one of them.

[JimBHibees]

Yes, huge games coming for Ross against Ross County and Livi. He really needs to win at least one of them.

And not lose the other.

[Danderhall Hibs]

Na. A minimum of 6 points for me against Ross County & Livi.

If we can’t beat the form/better teams in the league we need to be taking maximum points off the smaller teams.

I want more than 6 points from those 2 games.

[Stuart93]

I want more than 6 points from those 2 games.

If he manages 9 points from they 2 games I think he’ll win me round

[Danderhall Hibs]

If he manages 9 points from they 2 games I think he’ll win me round

:hilarious is that all it would take?

[B.H.F.C]

He won’t get sacked though if we fail to get 6 points in those 2 games.

If we lose those both then there’ll be a decision to be made.

Even if we lose both I don’t think he’ll be sacked. I’m not sure where it needs to get to for his job to be under threat, but I don’t think it will be in the next couple of weeks regardless.

Everyone talking about Ron but I think the fact we have a new CEO is almost forgotten about. Very different approach to when Dempster took that job, although realise the club is in a totally different place to it was then.

[Stuart93]

:hilarious is that all it would take?

surely not too big an ask is it :greengrin

[Hibernianinc]

Our next 4 matches are all away.

RC, Livi, Thehuns and StJ.

A reasonably tough set of fixtures. Pick up just a point or two, and get dinged out the cup and I think things will become very difficult for Jack.

6/7 points and a LCF to look forward to and everything will be ok (for a while).

Big month for Jack, big month.

[One Day Soon]

And not lose the other.


I think the performances in these two games will tell us a lot about both the steel or otherwise of our squad and their relationship with the manager. They must know that both their own reputations and the manager's job are effectively on the line.

[blackpoolhibs]

If he manages 9 points from they 2 games I think he’ll win me round

Just be honest, nothing he does will ever win you round.:rolleyes:

[Stuart93]

Just be honest, nothing he does will ever win you round.:rolleyes:

I don’t understand where you’re getting that feeling from...

3rd place and trophy this season would help.

[bingo70]

Even if we lose both I don’t think he’ll be sacked. I’m not sure where it needs to get to for his job to be under threat, but I don’t think it will be in the next couple of weeks regardless.

Everyone talking about Ron but I think the fact we have a new CEO is almost forgotten about. Very different approach to when Dempster took that job, although realise the club is in a totally different place to it was then.

It’s Ron Gordon’s son that’s the one that interests me. I get the feeling he’s getting more involved now and it wouldn’t surprise me at all if he’s heavily involved in the process of finding Ross’s replacement when the time comes.

[madhatter]

It’s Ron Gordon’s son that’s the one that interests me. I get the feeling he’s getting more involved now and it wouldn’t surprise me at all if he’s heavily involved in the process of finding Ross’s replacement when the time comes.

That'd be good. Maybe get us away from almost without fail recruiting Scottish or British managers. This knowing the league is a lot of rubbish based on Postecoglou. He's got a style of football and he's insistent on playing it.

Style of football is massive in football management and it really does get ignored far too often. Knowledge of league and speaks well seems to be main interview clinchers. And evidently based on our barren football history we've not been recruiting managers, coaches, scouts and players properly.

[Hibiza]

Bring back Tony Mowbs.

[Hibees1973]

Really good, in a grim kind of way, reading this thread reflecting on the debacle last night. Most of the posts are balanced with good reasoning behind them.

I feel recruitment and the style of play Ross continues to persist with (slow, boring) are our main issues.

Of these the biggest problem has to be recruitment. It was interesting watching one of Celtic's goals last night on TV when Sportscene highlighted 6 or 7 Hibs players with their arms out trying to apportion blame. This is really concerning. Whilst we can never recruit players that are the finished article, surely we should have one or two leaders in the team who lead by example. Players who demand the ball, drive us forward and take responsibility.

Looking through the squad, we have no players at this particular time with these qualities.

The players who could come to the fore, McGregor (now finished at this level), Porteous (hammer thrower) can no longer be relied on.

This highlights a total neglect by the recruitment team at Hibs for the last 2 -3 years. Mathie carried the can but there must be many others who are to blame, including Ross. Between 2015 - 2019 we had real leaders in the team, but these times are now long gone.

For some reason, I don't know why, but I still like Ross and he can only work with the tools he has got. However, I have not forgiven him for losing the following three games and producing some dire performances from the team. The Scottish Cup semi against (2020) Hearts, League Cup semi (2021) and the Scottish Cup final (2021). For me, these games defined the tenure of Ross at Hibs. He did get us to 3rd last season but this did not make up for all these major failures.

i don't think we have the bottle or steel in this squad to turn it around quickly for Ross. He may get the odd result and limp towards the next transfer window but I doubt it from what I have seen recently.

[jacomo]

For some reason, I don't know why, but I still like Ross.


There’s a lot to like.

Compared with other managers over the past 10-15 years… he’s diligent and wants to be here, he doesn’t think he’s too good for Scottish football, he’s not a bully or a prick.

As always, there are things he could do better but a hell of a lot he could do worse. We know this because we’ve seen it.

We had a bad transfer window. We’re in a bad run. The question is, where do we go from here? ‘Ross out’ is the easy, knee jerk response but it’s not the correct one right now.

I’ve never been his biggest fan but he’s a lot better than some we’ve had!

[et_hibby]

There’s a lot to like.

Compared with other managers over the past 10-15 years… he’s diligent and wants to be here, he doesn’t think he’s too good for Scottish football, he’s not a bully or a prick.

As always, there are things he could do better but a hell of a lot he could do worse. We know this because we’ve seen it.

We had a bad transfer window. We’re in a bad run. The question is, where do we go from here? ‘Ross out’ is the easy, knee jerk response but it’s not the correct one right now.

I’ve never been his biggest fan but he’s a lot better than some we’ve had!

very sensible post.

[bigwheel]

There’s a lot to like.

Compared with other managers over the past 10-15 years… he’s diligent and wants to be here, he doesn’t think he’s too good for Scottish football, he’s not a bully or a prick.

As always, there are things he could do better but a hell of a lot he could do worse. We know this because we’ve seen it.

We had a bad transfer window. We’re in a bad run. The question is, where do we go from here? ‘Ross out’ is the easy, knee jerk response but it’s not the correct one right now.

I’ve never been his biggest fan but he’s a lot better than some we’ve had!

Loads of good points here [emoji106][emoji106]

[JimBHibees]

There’s a lot to like.

Compared with other managers over the past 10-15 years… he’s diligent and wants to be here, he doesn’t think he’s too good for Scottish football, he’s not a bully or a prick.

As always, there are things he could do better but a hell of a lot he could do worse. We know this because we’ve seen it.

We had a bad transfer window. We’re in a bad run. The question is, where do we go from here? ‘Ross out’ is the easy, knee jerk response but it’s not the correct one right now.

I’ve never been his biggest fan but he’s a lot better than some we’ve had!

Excellent post. We can't be sacking managers who almost had us top of the league a month or so back. He needs to turn it round that is for sure however shouldn't even be getting discussed at present

[JimBHibees]

Really good, in a grim kind of way, reading this thread reflecting on the debacle last night. Most of the posts are balanced with good reasoning behind them.

I feel recruitment and the style of play Ross continues to persist with (slow, boring) are our main issues.

Of these the biggest problem has to be recruitment. It was interesting watching one of Celtic's goals last night on TV when Sportscene highlighted 6 or 7 Hibs players with their arms out trying to apportion blame. This is really concerning. Whilst we can never recruit players that are the finished article, surely we should have one or two leaders in the team who lead by example. Players who demand the ball, drive us forward and take responsibility.

Looking through the squad, we have no players at this particular time with these qualities.

The players who could come to the fore, McGregor (now finished at this level), Porteous (hammer thrower) can no longer be relied on.

This highlights a total neglect by the recruitment team at Hibs for the last 2 -3 years. Mathie carried the can but there must be many others who are to blame, including Ross. Between 2015 - 2019 we had real leaders in the team, but these times are now long gone.

For some reason, I don't know why, but I still like Ross and he can only work with the tools he has got. However, I have not forgiven him for losing the following three games and producing some dire performances from the team. The Scottish Cup semi against (2020) Hearts, League Cup semi (2021) and the Scottish Cup final (2021). For me, these games defined the tenure of Ross at Hibs. He did get us to 3rd last season but this did not make up for all these major failures.

i don't think we have the bottle or steel in this squad to turn it around quickly for Ross. He may get the odd result and limp towards the next transfer window but I doubt it from what I have seen recently.

Total nonsense

[Key West]

Really good, in a grim kind of way, reading this thread reflecting on the debacle last night. Most of the posts are balanced with good reasoning behind them.

I feel recruitment and the style of play Ross continues to persist with (slow, boring) are our main issues.

Of these the biggest problem has to be recruitment. It was interesting watching one of Celtic's goals last night on TV when Sportscene highlighted 6 or 7 Hibs players with their arms out trying to apportion blame. This is really concerning. Whilst we can never recruit players that are the finished article, surely we should have one or two leaders in the team who lead by example. Players who demand the ball, drive us forward and take responsibility.

Looking through the squad, we have no players at this particular time with these qualities.

The players who could come to the fore, McGregor (now finished at this level), Porteous (hammer thrower) can no longer be relied on.

This highlights a total neglect by the recruitment team at Hibs for the last 2 -3 years. Mathie carried the can but there must be many others who are to blame, including Ross. Between 2015 - 2019 we had real leaders in the team, but these times are now long gone.

For some reason, I don't know why, but I still like Ross and he can only work with the tools he has got. However, I have not forgiven him for losing the following three games and producing some dire performances from the team. The Scottish Cup semi against (2020) Hearts, League Cup semi (2021) and the Scottish Cup final (2021). For me, these games defined the tenure of Ross at Hibs. He did get us to 3rd last season but this did not make up for all these major failures.

i don't think we have the bottle or steel in this squad to turn it around quickly for Ross. He may get the odd result and limp towards the next transfer window but I doubt it from what I have seen recently.

Despite the anger and frustration most of the posts have been balanced, I think some of the players have been a big let down, especially in applying the basic requirements.

[The Modfather]

Excellent post. We can't be sacking managers who almost had us top of the league a month or so back. He needs to turn it round that is for sure however shouldn't even be getting discussed at present

I don’t think there’s many people advocating sacking him solely based on the last 3 or 4 games. There’s a wider context, last seasons cups, style of football, support appearing not to be fully bought in etc. That might not justify sacking him, I don’t think it does but I also haven’t particularly enjoyed his tenure so far. I don’t think it’s an unreasonable debate that’s being had even if I think there’s more evidence for him to remain than there is for a change.

[90274]

Now Since 1875 the Singing Section have disbanded, I wonder if this has been influenced by the dull product on the park served up by Jack Ross.

This will really affect the atmosphere at games going forward.

[flash]

Now Since 1875 the Singing Section have disbanded, I wonder if this has been influenced by the dull product on the park served up by Jack Ross.

This will really affect the atmosphere at games going forward.
Have you made one single positive post since you joined the forum?

[Steve88]

Have you made one single positive post since you joined the forum?

To be fair, he joined in October this year. What has he got to be positive about...

[90274]

No more Since 1875 at games will really affect the atmosphere at games.

[Coco Bryce]

No more Since 1875 at games will really affect the atmosphere at games.

Yeah, that's a real shame they've called it a day.

The banners they have paraded over the years have been a breathe of fresh air and great viewing.

[90274]

Yeah, that's a real shame they've called it a day.

The banners they have paraded over the years have been a breathe of fresh and great viewing.

The 4-3 Falkirk semi final springs to mind where they moved down the front and really got the atmosphere going in the second half.

[Since90+2]

This is the first bad run of form Jack Ross has had as Hibs manager. I think up until a few weeks back we weren't outside the top 4 for about 14 months. That's pretty much unheard of for Hibs.

People calling for him to go are effectively wanting the guy out on his first run of bad form. Thats ridiculous. And then the same thing will start again when a new manager hits a bad run of form. And the cycle will repeat.

And please don't hit me with the failure in semi and finals chat. He had to actually get there in the first place.

[Danderhall Hibs]

No more Since 1875 at games will really affect the atmosphere at games.

Start a new group - get behind the team and the positivity flowing,

[Coco Bryce]

The 4-3 Falkirk semi final springs to mind where they moved down the front and really got the atmosphere going in the second half.

:agree:

[Alfred E Newman]

It’s Ron Gordon’s son that’s the one that interests me. I get the feeling he’s getting more involved now and it wouldn’t surprise me at all if he’s heavily involved in the process of finding Ross’s replacement when the time comes.

It wouldn’t surprise me if he was Ross’s replacement!:greengrin

[Moulin Yarns]

The 4-3 Falkirk semi final springs to mind where they moved down the front and really got the atmosphere going in the second half.

I must hve missed that. The game was at Hampden, where did they move from?

There was some early round cup game that they moved from the top of the FF to the lower, and there was a chnge to the atmosphere, would that be the one you are thinking of?

[jacomo]

Now Since 1875 the Singing Section have disbanded, I wonder if this has been influenced by the dull product on the park served up by Jack Ross.

This will really affect the atmosphere at games going forward.


Nah. They kept going through far worse!

[Key West]

I must hve missed that. The game was at Hampden, where did they move from?

There was some early round cup game that they moved from the top of the FF to the lower, and there was a chnge to the atmosphere, would that be the one you are thinking of?

Practice your spelling, have not hve.

[B.H.F.C]

This is the first bad run of form Jack Ross has had as Hibs manager. I think up until a few weeks back we weren't outside the top 4 for about 14 months. That's pretty much unheard of for Hibs.

People calling for him to go are effectively wanting the guy out on his first run of bad form. Thats ridiculous. And then the same thing will start again when a new manager hits a bad run of form. And the cycle will repeat.

And please don't hit me with the failure in semi and finals chat. He had to actually get there in the first place.

People aren’t just reacting to this four game run though, are they?

[NC1875]

This is the first bad run of form Jack Ross has had as Hibs manager. I think up until a few weeks back we weren't outside the top 4 for about 14 months. That's pretty much unheard of for Hibs.

People calling for him to go are effectively wanting the guy out on his first run of bad form. Thats ridiculous. And then the same thing will start again when a new manager hits a bad run of form. And the cycle will repeat.

And please don't hit me with the failure in semi and finals chat. He had to actually get there in the first place.

Ahh, so it’s alright to lose finals and semi finals. As long as you get there.
Jack Ross will be happy about that.

[superfurryhibby]

Excellent post. We can't be sacking managers who almost had us top of the league a month or so back. He needs to turn it round that is for sure however shouldn't even be getting discussed at present

I'm sure Hibs topped the table around mid September under Jim Duffy.

Of course Ross' position should be discussed, there's lots of posts debating the merits of his tenure, you might be surprised to read that there are decent points being made by posters who've had enough, as well as those who feel he needs more time

[Moulin Yarns]

Practice your spelling, have not hve.

Wow, touch a nerve, did I??

🤔

Fwiw, can you answer the question? Somehow I doubt it.

[jeffers]

People aren’t just reacting to this four game run though, are they?

No they are not, but it doesn’t stop those who are fully behind him continually repeating it. Although to be fair when a thread runs long enough its usually the case that the same points get raised.

I totally understand why fans are still fully behind him, I just wish they would recognise that those who aren’t or have doubts haven’t just formed that opinion on the back of four losses.

[Key West]

Wow, touch a nerve, did I??

🤔

Fwiw, can you answer the question? Somehow I doubt it.

😍🤣🤣

[J-C]

Practice your spelling, have not hve.

Really :rolleyes: HAVE you never missed a letter out whilst typing, get a grip ffs.

[cabbageandribs1875]

i've mist the sphelling police :flag:

[Hibernia&Alba]

No they are not, but it doesn’t stop those who are fully behind him continually repeating it. Although to be fair when a thread runs long enough its usually the case that the same points get raised.

I totally understand why fans are still fully behind him, I just wish they would recognise that those who aren’t or have doubts haven’t just formed that opinion on the back of four losses.

Fair point. I can't say I'm fully behind Ross, as I think the next two league games are huge for him. If we fail to win either, he will be under real pressure. Someone said on here last night that we are having our worst run of form since Butcher, according to the media, so he needs some results fast. He has credit in the bank to turn this around, but it's now getting concerning.

[007]

Fair point. I can't say I'm fully behind Ross, as I think the next two league games are huge for him. If we fail to win either, he will be under real pressure. Someone said on here last night that we are having our worst run of form since Butcher, according to the media, so he needs some results fast. He has credit in the bank to turn this around, but it's now getting concerning.

Must mean until now we hadn’t lost 4 in a row since Butcher. I guess different people will have a different opinion re how many games make up a run of form but for me it is more than 4. Any time I've seen form quoted it has been at least 6 games and we beat St Johnstone and Dundee United the 2 previous games.

[Stuart93]

Must mean until now we hadn’t lost 4 in a row since Butcher. I guess different people will have a different opinion re how many games make up a run of form but for me it is more than 4. Any time I've seen form quoted it has been at least 6 games and we beat St Johnstone and Dundee United the 2 previous games.

Our league form across the last 6 games has been 4 points from 18. A bad return & terrible form imo. League cup win away to Dundee Utd makes things look a tad better

[Hibernia&Alba]

Must mean until now we hadn’t lost 4 in a row since Butcher. I guess different people will have a different opinion re how many games make up a run of form but for me it is more than 4. Any time I've seen form quoted it has been at least 6 games and we beat St Johnstone and Dundee United the 2 previous games.

Aye, it could well mean the four defeats. However, the manner of the defeats has been worrying. We have never been great to watch under Ross, but he has gotten plenty of narrow wins; but if the wins the wins cease and the football isn't great, then he has problems. Ross County and Livi are tricky away games, but we need to show some character now.

[Lancs Harp]

Aye, it could well mean the four defeats. However, the manner of the defeats has been worrying. We have never been great to watch under Ross, but he has gotten plenty of narrow wins; but if the wins the wins cease and the football isn't great, then he has problems. Ross County and Livi are tricky away games, but we need to show some character now.

Pretty much my view.

[Coco Bryce]

Aye, it could well mean the four defeats. However, the manner of the defeats has been worrying. We have never been great to watch under Ross, but he has gotten plenty of narrow wins; but if the wins the wins cease and the football isn't great, then he has problems. Ross County and Livi are tricky away games, but we need to show some character now.

According to some on here though. "It's only a couple of games we've lost FFS" 🤣