US Presidential Elections 2020

[hibsbollah]

Yep, he was bang on the money. But all that shows is that he and his Marxist comrades have been planning this election fraud for a long time. :wink:

Bernie would’ve romped home in W Virginia, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Michigan. Minnesota. Then some Texan would have blown his head off with a sniper rifle.

[cabbageandribs1875]

Tom Kirkman would have been my pick for president

[GlesgaeHibby]

Trump's margin getting narrowed big time in Michigan. Gone from a lead of 200k to 70k.

https://twitter.com/DecisionDeskHQ/status/1323929039367741440?s=19

[cabbageandribs1875]

Trump's margin getting narrowed big time in Michigan. Gone from a lead of 200k to 70k.

https://twitter.com/DecisionDeskHQ/status/1323929039367741440?s=19


it was 700k just a few hours ago, when 69% of votes had been counted

[Vault Boy]

Trump's margin getting narrowed big time in Michigan. Gone from a lead of 200k to 70k.

https://twitter.com/DecisionDeskHQ/status/1323929039367741440?s=19

With Detroit still outlying according to some of the replies. Interesting.

[Hibrandenburg]

Bernie would’ve romped home in W Virginia, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Michigan. Minnesota. Then some Texan would have blown his head off with a sniper rifle.

Agree, I believe there is a huge desire for socialism in the US and Saunders might have been able to sell it under another name. Unfortunately there was only one socialist on yesterday's ballot paper, a national socialist.

[GlesgaeHibby]

it was 700k just a few hours ago

Biden has it in the bag now I reckon. Wisconsin and Michigan give him the numbers (on top of Arizona, Nevada and Maine).

[Bristolhibby]

In PA, Allegheny County has announced that it has suspended counting until after 10am. The county, which includes Pittsburgh and its environs, is the 2nd most populous in the state (after Philly) and has twice as many registered Democrats as Republicans. Almost 150K ballots have yet to be counted.

C’mon!

J

[WhileTheChief..]

Is everyone here hoping for a Biden win?

Curious if it’s just ‘anyone but Trump’ or if you think he’ll be a decent President.

I think Trump will take it without the need for any legal challenge.

[Ozyhibby]

Is everyone here hoping for a Biden win?

Curious if it’s just ‘anyone but Trump’ or if you think he’ll be a decent President.

I think Trump will take it without the need for any legal challenge.

Anyone but Trump for me.


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[DaveF]

Biden has it in the bag now I reckon. Wisconsin and Michigan give him the numbers (on top of Arizona, Nevada and Maine).

Watching CNN, Wisconsin is anything but certain. Milwaukee has finished counting and their analysis is pretty much Trump type counties still to come in. Though these absentee ballots could be for either candidate. With Boden ahead by only 9.5k this is very close.

[cabbageandribs1875]

Is everyone here hoping for a Biden win?

Curious if it’s just ‘anyone but Trump’ or if you think he’ll be a decent President.

I think Trump will take it without the need for any legal challenge.


i'd have had anyone but trump OR biden

[WhileTheChief..]

i'd have had anyone but trunp OR biden

Yeah I’m a bit like this.

I get why folk don’t like Trump but Biden is awful too.

[Ozyhibby]

Watching CNN, Wisconsin is anything but certain. Milwaukee has finished counting and their analysis is pretty much Trump type counties still to come in. Though these absentee ballots could be for either candidate. With Boden ahead by only 9.5k this is very close.

I think the hope is that because they are mail in ballots which favour Biden and also they are from cities (Green Bay and Kenosha) that Biden will win the majority of what’s left. Trump is over performing in those counties at the moment which suggests that they may be right.


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[weecounty hibby]

Anyone but Trump for me.


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And me. A very dangerous leader of the most powerful country on earth.

[The 90+2]

Wisconsin is declared democrat according to some.

[Sir David Gray]

Is everyone here hoping for a Biden win?

Curious if it’s just ‘anyone but Trump’ or if you think he’ll be a decent President.

I think Trump will take it without the need for any legal challenge.

Least worst option for me. I really don't think much of Biden at all.

[The 90+2]

Biden has just went favourite too so it’s probably correct.

[CapitalGreen]

Trump closing fast in Nevada

[Tobias Funke]

Biden has just went favourite too so it’s probably correct.

After hours as underdog on the Betfair exchange Biden now favourite.

[Stairway 2 7]

Michigan could be big

[IWasThere2016]

330m people and these two crooks are the best they can come up with :confused:

Trump has won Ohio - and for many years/elections now Ohio has selected the winner

Trump is fave with the bookies - though odds have moved much closer this morning...

I think Trump will win - simply because I cannot think one can ever underestimate how thick Americans are :greengrin

[CapitalGreen]

330m people and these two crooks are the best they can come up with :confused:

Trump has won Ohio - and for many years/elections now Ohio has selected the winner

Trump is fave with the bookies - though odds have moved much closer this morning...

I think Trump will win - simply because I cannot think one can ever underestimate how thick Americans are :greengrin

Trump isn’t fave with the bookies.

[The 90+2]

After hours as underdog on the Betfair exchange Biden now favourite.

It’s actually decent watching if it wasn’t the president of the most powerful country in the world at stake. Like I said Bernie should be president.

[I'm_cabbaged]

This has had more swings that the last day of a Ryder cup!!

[Tobias Funke]

330m people and these two crooks are the best they can come up with :confused:

Trump has won Ohio - and for many years/elections now Ohio has selected the winner

Trump is fave with the bookies - though odds have moved much closer this morning...

I think Trump will win - simply because I cannot think one can ever underestimate how thick Americans are :greengrin

Can’t work out how the hell Biden is the best the Dems could come up with. Swalwell would have been my choice but maybe bit too early for him to run with a young family. Think he pulled out race for that reason.

[Since90+2]

Trump is closing in Nevada.

[calumhibee1]

Is everyone here hoping for a Biden win?

Curious if it’s just ‘anyone but Trump’ or if you think he’ll be a decent President.

I think Trump will take it without the need for any legal challenge.

Anyone but Trump.

If it hadn’t been for Trump getting elected 4 years ago then the idea of Joe Biden being president would be horrifying.

[Hibbyradge]

the one i've thought all along would win...biden, but i'm getting too far ahead for some reason i keep thinking it's first to 270 wins �� but i've not had any sleep for over 24 hours :(

It is first to 270.

Isn't it?

[hibsbollah]

Michigan could be big

Michigan will be VERY late to declare. Maybe Friday or Saturday.

Ideally you want Biden to break the 270 with the other remaining states first; Georgia Wisconsin and N Carolina, so Pennsylvania and Michigan don’t matter. That makes a legal fight lasting weeks and the resulting civil unrest less likely.

Ive lost track of the senate, s it still looking grim for the democrats?

[GlesgaeHibby]

Michigan will be VERY late to declare. Maybe Friday or Saturday.

Ideally you want Biden to break the 270 with the other remaining states first; Georgia Wisconsin and N Carolina, so Pennsylvania and Michigan don’t matter. That makes a legal fight lasting weeks and the resulting civil unrest less likely.

Ive lost track of the senate, s it still looking grim for the democrats?

Is there a reason counting will take so long there? (Other than them not counting mail in ballots until after polls closed). Still seems like an awfully long time to wait.

[JeMeSouviens]

Yeah I’m a bit like this.

I get why folk don’t like Trump but Biden is awful too.

It's a bit like the political Sevco and Celtc, tbh.

[neil7908]

Michigan will be VERY late to declare. Maybe Friday or Saturday.

Ideally you want Biden to break the 270 with the other remaining states first; Georgia Wisconsin and N Carolina, so Pennsylvania and Michigan don’t matter. That makes a legal fight lasting weeks and the resulting civil unrest less likely.

Ive lost track of the senate, s it still looking grim for the democrats?

Yup, they are pretty much 0 to take control of the Senate.

That is huge imo as even if Biden wins, he won't get a single piece of legislation through.

[The 90+2]

This has had more swings that the last day of a Ryder cup!!

Decent comparison tbh. All it needs is Ian Poulter.

[Smartie]

It's a bit like the political Sevco and Celtc, tbh.

As much as I dislike Celtc, I've surprised myself with just how much I've wanted them to win games vs sevco and Rangers in the past.

Trump is Sevco. Despicable in every way and any decent person would want to see him crushed.

That is on no way an endorsement of the opposition.

[Smartie]

It's mad how invested you can be in the election in a foreign country, eh?

[Renfrew_Hibby]

Story of the night, Trumps base hasn't moved an inch. Despite everything, they are square behind him.

The big sucker blow for Biden has been Latino men, shifting in big numbers for Trump it would seem.

[hibsbollah]

Yup, they are pretty much 0 to take control of the Senate.

That is huge imo as even if Biden wins, he won't get a single piece of legislation through.

He should be able to sign up to the Paris accords again without senate approval, which is my #1 concern not being a US citizen.

[hibsbollah]

Is there a reason counting will take so long there? (Other than them not counting mail in ballots until after polls closed). Still seems like an awfully long time to wait.

Good question, I’m not sure. Just what The Guardians bureau chief was saying earlier.

[cabbageandribs1875]

29 of 35 has been called for the senate

D-45
R-47

2 other parties have a seat

51 for a majority

[calumhibee1]

It's mad how invested you can be in the election in a foreign country, eh?

Yup. I’ve more interest in this than the U.K. election.

[GlesgaeHibby]

https://twitter.com/mytentoryours/status/1323938253490262016?s=19

[hibsbollah]

29 of 35 has been called for the senate

D-45
R-47

2 other parties have a seat

51 for a majority

Some of those 6 will be gimmes for either side, just not sure if any winnable contests are left...

[Ozyhibby]

It's mad how invested you can be in the election in a foreign country, eh?

It is important here. If Biden wins it’s likely the Tories do a deal with EU because they know a US deal will depend on them honouring Good Friday Agreement.


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[calumhibee1]

Not that I’ve any issue with it on this occasion but the BBC coverage is very pro Biden IMO.

[JeMeSouviens]

Michigan will be VERY late to declare. Maybe Friday or Saturday.

Ideally you want Biden to break the 270 with the other remaining states first; Georgia Wisconsin and N Carolina, so Pennsylvania and Michigan don’t matter. That makes a legal fight lasting weeks and the resulting civil unrest less likely.

Ive lost track of the senate, s it still looking grim for the democrats?

Update on MI: they're ahead of schedule:


Michigan Secretary of State Jocelyn Benson, who had suggested in the weeks before the election that counting could take until Friday, predicted to reporters Tuesday evening that the state could "potentially see a full result of every tabulation out of Michigan in the next 24 hours." The pace in Detroit, where 120,000 absentee ballots had already been counted by late Tuesday, underscored that the state is on track to be done counting results sooner than expected, Benson said.

[cabbageandribs1875]

Some of those 6 will be gimmes for either side, just not sure if any winnable contests are left...



46-47 now, only one democrat leading in the remaining at the moment

[JeMeSouviens]

Biden lead wafer thin in NV but they only have mail-in ballots to count so looks good for him to hang on there. However, they accept mail-in ballots received up till Friday as long as they are postmarked by yesterday!

[degenerated]

Trump isn’t fave with the bookies.There is hope :greengrin

Trump 6/5
Biden 4/6

[hibsbollah]

46-47 now, only one democrat leading in the remaining at the moment

That’s the senate ****ed then :rolleyes:

[The 90+2]

It's mad how invested you can be in the election in a foreign country, eh?

Yeah it’s quality viewing. Especially now the good guy is winning it.

[cabbageandribs1875]

That’s the senate ****ed then :rolleyes:



hold on hold on

47-47. 6 remaining, dems just need 3 now as biden can vote if he wins precedency

i think a few will be waiting on mail-ins, don't think it will finish today

[JeMeSouviens]

hold on hold on

47-47. 6 remaining, dems just need 3 now as biden can vote if he wins precedency

Sort of. If Biden is President then his VP, Kamala Harris, becomes the President of the Senate and has a casting vote in the event of a tie.

[cabbageandribs1875]

Sort of. If Biden is President then his VP, Kamala Harris, becomes the President of the Senate and has a casting vote in the event of a tie.



she'll be too busy running the whitehouse, if the senate is anything like the house of lords sleepy joe could get a kip there

[The 90+2]

she'll be too busy running the whitehouse, if the senate is anything like the house of lords sleepy joe could get a kip there

For that reason she may vote Joey.

[Green Man]

Has Arizona been confirmed as a Biden win? The Guardian is showing it on their map, but none of the TV channels have it.

[CapitalGreen]

Has Arizona been confirmed as a Biden win? The Guardian is showing it on their map, but none of the TV channels have it.

Associated Press declared it for Biden and they are known to be cautious. However nothing official yet.

[Green Man]

Associated Press declared it for Biden and they are known to be cautious. However nothing official yet.

That makes sense, I think The Guardian have been following AP for their results.

[The 90+2]

That makes sense, I think The Guardian have been following AP for their results.

Bookies have paid out on it.

[The 90+2]

It looks very very good that Trump is no longer going to be the President. Postal votes have completely turned this big time.

All the opinion polls must be online and not in person too.

[Ozyhibby]

150k votes in Detroit just came in and 140k of them were for Biden. Biden closing in Michigan.


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[hibsbollah]

That makes sense, I think The Guardian have been following AP for their results.

Fox News called it early too.

[Tobias Funke]

It looks very very good that Trump is no longer going to be the President. Postal votes have completely turned this big time.

All the opinion polls must be online and not in person too.

The tears and snotters from him over postal ballots will be epic! He’s not going to go without a fight, the fat corrupt ****.

[calumhibee1]

I presume a 269-269 tie isn’t a possibility with what’s left up for grabs?

[JeMeSouviens]

150k votes in Detroit just came in and 140k of them were for Biden. Biden closing in Michigan.


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Michigan, Wisconsin, Nevada is enough for Biden and he *should* win all 3 from where they are.

[The 90+2]

The tears and snotters from him over postal ballots will be epic! He’s not going to go without a fight, the fat corrupt ****.

Nah this is going to lead to him being arrested and everything. Hopefully they get the **** too on allegations.

[The 90+2]

I presume a 269-269 tie isn’t a possibility with what’s left up for grabs?

No chance mate. Trumps done.

The world is a better place.

[Bristolhibby]

I presume a 269-269 tie isn’t a possibility with what’s left up for grabs?

Then Nancy Pelosi would be next President!

J

[SHODAN]

I presume a 269-269 tie isn’t a possibility with what’s left up for grabs?

If Biden wins Nevada, Wisconsin and North Carolina and Trump wins Michigan, Pennsylvania and Georgia, there would be a draw. Then it would go to Congress who would vote in Biden.

[hibsbollah]

I presume a 269-269 tie isn’t a possibility with what’s left up for grabs?

Yes, theoretically. If Trump takes Georgia Pennsylvania Michigan Maine, and Biden takes Wisconsin, Nevada North Carolina, that’s 269-269. Or you could swap over Georgia and Wisconsin could be swapped over, they are both 16.

[Ozyhibby]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20201104/637e862e2a3e5d334c05546b1cb8db6e.plist


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[JeMeSouviens]

Wisconsin very close to over - just Kenosha city left (home of the late George Floyd) which is expected to produce more Biden votes.

Overall, Biden looks to have squeaked it by about 20K votes.

[One Day Soon]

Biden is in pole position now. He looks like he's going to win it, then he'll need to go and win it again in the courts.

[JeMeSouviens]

Trump MI lead down to 20 something thousand. Looks good for Biden there.

[The 90+2]

Trump wasn’t daft when he made his statement while pissing it.

Joe the same about wait.

[GlesgaeHibby]

Trump MI lead down to 20 something thousand. Looks good for Biden there.

Almost gone now.

https://twitter.com/DecisionDeskHQ/status/1323963582850207745?s=19

[JeMeSouviens]

MI again - Trump getting reeled in - now leads by just over 2200 votes.

[JeMeSouviens]

Biden is in pole position now. He looks like he's going to win it, then he'll need to go and win it again in the courts.

If Wisconsin, Michigan get called today and it looks like Biden is going to win Nevada, possibly Georgia as well, then PA doesn't matter and Trump's court strategy will fall apart. It'll be fascist mobs or nothing.

I am not writing off fascist mobs, btw. :rolleyes:

[Ozyhibby]

It’s a Joe Biden rope-a-dope.[emoji23]


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[hibsbollah]

If Wisconsin, Michigan get called today and it looks like Biden is going to win Nevada, possibly Georgia as well, then PA doesn't matter and Trump's court strategy will fall apart. It'll be fascist mobs or nothing.

I am not writing off fascist mobs, btw. :rolleyes:

Anyone got half an eye on the Proud Boys Twitter? Still Standing by?

[WhileTheChief..]

If Wisconsin, Michigan get called today and it looks like Biden is going to win Nevada, possibly Georgia as well, then PA doesn't matter and Trump's court strategy will fall apart. It'll be fascist mobs or nothing.

I am not writing off fascist mobs, btw. :rolleyes:

There will only by mobs and riots if Trump wins. They’ll be by fascists though!

[CloudSquall]

Can see this one going to the courts. It's the nightmare scenario, Trump up in almost all the key states through the night and now getting hammered in the mail in votes and set to lose the majority of them if things continue as they are.

[The 90+2]

Can see this one going to the courts. It's the nightmare scenario, Trump up in almost all the key states through the night and now getting hammered in the mail in votes and set to lose the majority of them if things continue as they are.

It may change the whole voting system completely if it can be clearly shown that democrats feel intimidated to vote at the station polls.

[Hibrandenburg]

Can see this one going to the courts. It's the nightmare scenario, Trump up in almost all the key states through the night and now getting hammered in the mail in votes and set to lose the majority of them if things continue as they are.

It's almost as if many Democrats were scared to vote in person.

[Lee Marvin]

Looks all but over now, barring a big shock in Arizona or Nevada. Assuming Biden holds these states, he only needs Wisconsin and Michigan to win (where he is now looking very strong).

This is definitely going to the courts now, though. There may also be blood on the streets all around the country.

[Callum_62]

Why offer a way of voting if you just going to say its not valid or rigged?

Its almost like team trump knew all along the Dems would have a big turnout by mail

I think Trump knew at 2am that he hadn't done enough

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[BroxburnHibee]

He won't concede thats for sure.

[The 90+2]

He won't concede thats for sure.

Get the army in. This is going to end up mental.

[Bristolhibby]

Trump wasn’t daft when he made his statement while pissing it.

Joe the same about wait.

TBF if you listened to what he was saying (not saying you didn’t BTW), my take was he was getting his lick in first and spewing out the narrative that “we was robbed”.

Trump, the narcissist that he is, would never admit defeat. So he had to come out saying he’d won.

J

[Bristolhibby]

It's almost as if many Democrats were scared to vote in person.

Yea, it’s like there’s a deadly pandemic ripping through the country. Who’d have thought people would want to post in their vote?

J

[MWHIBBIES]

Yeah I’m a bit like this.

I get why folk don’t like Trump but Biden is awful too.

Biden is a politician who can be reasoned with and will listen to experts around him in dealing with a pandemic and financial crisis. That alone makes him a better option. When you then consider the 20 sexual assault allegations against trump, his disastrous 4 years, his shady businesses and his horrendous cult like fanbase, it's a no brainer imo.

[marinello59]

TBF if you listened to what he was saying (not saying you didn’t BTW), my take was he was getting his lick in first and spewing out the narrative that “we was robbed”.

Trump, the narcissist that he is, would never admit defeat. So he had to come out saying he’d won.

J

I don’t think he planned to say he had won, Trump being Trump got ahead of himself. Pence did not back him on that, he was much more measured.

[The 90+2]

TBF if you listened to what he was saying (not saying you didn’t BTW), my take was he was getting his lick in first and spewing out the narrative that “we was robbed”.

Trump, the narcissist that he is, would never admit defeat. So he had to come out saying he’d won.

J

100%! mate that’s what I meant.

[Tobias Funke]

Biden is a politician who can be reasoned with and will listen to experts around him in dealing with a pandemic and financial crisis. That alone makes him a better option. When you then consider the 20 sexual assault allegations against trump, his disastrous 4 years, his shady businesses and his horrendous cult like fanbase, it's a no brainer imo.

This. Although I’m still shocked Trump has gotten the number of votes he has so far after his behaviour these past four years.

Biden also possesses something Trump is incapable of showing, empathy. Having dealt with tragedies in his personal life he knows how much people will be hurting in this pandemic. Trump on the other hand doesn’t give a toss.

[Since90+2]

Biden on course to get more votes than any Presidential nominee in US History.

[Northernhibee]

Biden is a politician who can be reasoned with and will listen to experts around him in dealing with a pandemic and financial crisis. That alone makes him a better option. When you then consider the 20 sexual assault allegations against trump, his disastrous 4 years, his shady businesses and his horrendous cult like fanbase, it's a no brainer imo.

Much like Keir Starmer is a bit boring and uninspiring, Biden isn’t exactly Mr Charisma nor does he have any new exciting ideas to really get invested in.

Unfortunately, that’s the antithesis to Johnson and Trump and if we have to put up with two candidates who aren’t exactly brilliant to take some steps back from the precipice then so be it.

[Tobias Funke]

TBF if you listened to what he was saying (not saying you didn’t BTW), my take was he was getting his lick in first and spewing out the narrative that “we was robbed”.

Trump, the narcissist that he is, would never admit defeat. So he had to come out saying he’d won.

J

I watched a documentary about Trump a couple of years ago, in that they claimed he lost many a court case during his years as a “successful” businessman. After losing he would tell the press about the great victory he’d had that day.

Gaslighting is in his genes, he’s a complete moron.

[MWHIBBIES]

Much like Keir Starmer is a bit boring and uninspiring, Biden isn’t exactly Mr Charisma nor does he have any new exciting ideas to really get invested in.

Unfortunately, that’s the antithesis to Johnson and Trump and if we have to put up with two candidates who aren’t exactly brilliant to take some steps back from the precipice then so be it.

I don't think anyone expects Biden to be some unbelievable president but he's a smart guy with bags of experience who will steady the ship for at least 4 years.

Boring maybe but they need boring. No way nearly 250k people die with Biden in charge and the pandemic response committee he and Obama set up (trump dispanded it I believe)

[Stairway 2 7]

Biden is probably more right wing than Boris. Although such is US politics, hes a vastly better option than trump who has surrounded himself with fanatical right wing nut jobs

[JimBHibees]

I don't think anyone expects Biden to be some unbelievable president but he's a smart guy with bags of experience who will steady the ship for at least 4 years.

Boring maybe but they need boring. No way nearly 250k people die with Biden in charge and the pandemic response committee he and Obama set up (trump dispanded it I believe)

Completely agree he is intelligent knowledgeable has experience at this level of politics and isn't trump

[JeMeSouviens]

I don’t think he planned to say he had won, Trump being Trump got ahead of himself. Pence did not back him on that, he was much more measured.

He absolutely did. Rumours were rife yesterday that that's what he was planning. He's been laying the groundwork by claiming mail-in ballots are a dem fraud for weeks.

The strategy was to get ahead in votes counted and then stop counting. Basically a much larger scale version of what Bush achieved in 2000 with the dimpled chads and all that.

His problem is that he's now fallen behind in the counting. Controlling the narrative from the losing position will be much harder for him.

[JeMeSouviens]

I don't think anyone expects Biden to be some unbelievable president but he's a smart guy with bags of experience who will steady the ship for at least 4 years.

Boring maybe but they need boring. No way nearly 250k people die with Biden in charge and the pandemic response committee he and Obama set up (trump dispanded it I believe)

If the Dems have failed to take the senate, which looks likely, he won't be able to do that much anyway. So boring v much the order of the day.

[marinello59]

He absolutely did. Rumours were rife yesterday that that's what he was planning. He's been laying the groundwork by claiming mail-in ballots are a dem fraud for weeks.

The strategy was to get ahead in votes counted and then stop counting. Basically a much larger scale version of what Bush achieved in 2000 with the dimpled chads and all that.

His problem is that he's now fallen behind in the counting. Controlling the narrative from the losing position will be much harder for him.

I agree that this was going to be his strategy all along. I don't think he planned the 'Quite frankly we did win' comment. Prior to that he had been saying it without actually saying it if that makes sense. :greengrin

[One Day Soon]

TBF if you listened to what he was saying (not saying you didn’t BTW), my take was he was getting his lick in first and spewing out the narrative that “we was robbed”.

Trump, the narcissist that he is, would never admit defeat. So he had to come out saying he’d won.

J

If he loses by a clear electoral college margin, which I think he will, the institutional republican and governmental support around him helping to shore up a legal resistance position will inexorably ebb away. So if its Georgia on top of Wisconsin, Michigan, Maine, Nevada and Arizona he's done and dusted. Pennysylvania would just be the icing on top. I expect a lot of bluster but increasingly looking stranded and abandoned in that scenario.

[Since90+2]

Trump will hold Pennsylvania I think, the swing required now would be huge.

[One Day Soon]

If the Dems have failed to take the senate, which looks likely, he won't be able to do that much anyway. So boring v much the order of the day.

Jimmy Stewart as President for four years, lots of healing and a lengthy contrast with the Orange buffoon's relentless toxic division. If he just lowers the domestic temperature and gets the US re-engaged in NATO, WHO and tackling climate change its a triumph.

[One Day Soon]

Trump will hold Pennsylvania I think, the swing required now would be huge.

Yeah I'd like to see him over the line without that and then possibly it lands as a bonus in a few days time once all votes are counted.

[calumhibee1]

If Biden wins Nevada, Wisconsin and North Carolina and Trump wins Michigan, Pennsylvania and Georgia, there would be a draw. Then it would go to Congress who would vote in Biden.

Cheers. My maths is as bad as I thought it was then :greengrin

[marinello59]

Biden ahead in Michigan now.

[stokesmessiah]

Biden in the lead in Michigan now

[JeMeSouviens]

Trump will hold Pennsylvania I think, the swing required now would be huge.

Not according to the NY Times:

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/04/upshot/biden-pennsylvania-election-ballots.html


Joe Biden has won absentee ballots counted in Pennsylvania by an overwhelming margin so far, according to data from the Secretary of State early Wednesday. If he carried the remaining absentee ballots by a similar margin, he would win the state.

[Pretty Boy]

It's quite interesting looking at the break down of the vote in each state.

In Florida Biden won in the likes of Miami-Dade which includes Miami, Duval - Jacksonville, Leon - Tallahassee, Orange - Orlando. In Texas Biden won in Harris - Houston, Travis - Austin, Bexar - San Antonio. That trends repeats throughout a lot of states; a big population centre is a likely chance of success for Biden, Trmup is picking up votes in the sticks.

[marinello59]

It's quite interesting looking at the break down of the vote in each state.

In Florida Biden won in the likes of Miami-Dade which includes Miami, Duval - Jacksonville, Leon - Tallahassee, Orange - Orlando. In Texas Biden won in Harris - Houston, Travis - Austin, Bexar - San Antonio. That trends repeats throughout a lot of states; a big population centre is a likely chance of success for Biden, Trmup is picking up votes in the sticks.

Pretty much the same happened in the recent Polish election where the populist President retained power by dominating the vote in more rural areas whilst his opponents enjoyed more success in the Cities.

[JeMeSouviens]

It's quite interesting looking at the break down of the vote in each state.

In Florida Biden won in the likes of Miami-Dade which includes Miami, Duval - Jacksonville, Leon - Tallahassee, Orange - Orlando. In Texas Biden won in Harris - Houston, Travis - Austin, Bexar - San Antonio. That trends repeats throughout a lot of states; a big population centre is a likely chance of success for Biden, Trmup is picking up votes in the sticks.

There was a big miss for Biden among Hispanics (Cuban and Venezuelan Americans) in Miami and surrounds. His vote was well down on Clinton 2016 there even though he was still ahead. If he'd matched Clinton he probably would have carried Florida.

But yes, in general Dems live in cities and increasingly in the burbs and GOPers tend to be rural.

[lapsedhibee]

Biden can hold his head high though he done better than Hillary.

Depends how you look at things. Clinton got nearly 3m more people to vote for her than for Trump. So far, Biden hasn't even got 2.5m more - and that's in a bigger turnout.

[JeMeSouviens]

Depends how you look at things. Clinton got nearly 3m more people to vote for her than for Trump. So far, Biden hasn't even got 2.5m more - and that's in a bigger turnout.

Clinton at this point in 2016 was only a couple of hundred K ahead*. The popular vote will ramp further for Biden as the mail in ballots in non-competitive states get counted. I think he'll end up being not far short of 5M ahead. The dems really are starting with one hand tied behind their backs.

* https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/nov/09/hillary-clinton-popular-vote-electoral-college-donald-trump

[G B Young]

I've paid little heed to this election as it appears to be a choice between two especially awful candidates, but how have the pollsters got this so wrong?! Last time I looked we were being told Biden held a double digit lead and was pretty much a shoe-in, yet this thing's on a knife edge and there appears to be a very realistic chance that Trump could win again.

[calumhibee1]

Just saw a 2 minute supercut of Biden groping, stroking, sniffing and grabbing a load of different women and girls.

The guy is an utter creep and whilst he’s not as bad as Trump he also shouldn’t be anywhere near the position of POTUS.

[calumhibee1]

I've paid little heed to this election as it appears to be a choice between two especially awful candidates, but how have the pollsters got this so wrong?! Last time I looked we were being told Biden held a double digit lead and was pretty much a shoe-in, yet this thing's on a knife edge and there appears to be a very realistic chance that Trump could win again.

I think the chance of Trump winning has gone thankfully. Agree with the rest though. Biden is an atrocious candidate as well.

[lapsedhibee]

Clinton at this point in 2016 was only a couple of hundred K ahead*. The popular vote will ramp further for Biden as the mail in ballots in non-competitive states get counted. I think he'll end up being not far short of 5M ahead. The dems really are starting with one hand tied behind their backs.

* https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/nov/09/hillary-clinton-popular-vote-electoral-college-donald-trump

:wink:

[JeMeSouviens]

I've paid little heed to this election as it appears to be a choice between two especially awful candidates, but how have the pollsters got this so wrong?! Last time I looked we were being told Biden held a double digit lead and was pretty much a shoe-in, yet this thing's on a knife edge and there appears to be a very realistic chance that Trump could win again.

The pollsters appear to have done even worse than 2016 - and that's saying something!

[BS44]

Biden campaign believe they'll pass the 270 today

Campaign manager confident of winning both Michigan and Wisconsin

[JimBHibees]

Biden campaign believe they'll pass the 270 today

Campaign manager confident of winning both Michigan and Wisconsin

Hope so

[Ozyhibby]

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[BS44]

Judge going after US Postal Service after they ignored his order yesterday re missing ballots, 300000 ballots not delivered on time.

Would this mean they could be counted when they turn up

[CropleyWasGod]

Judge going after US Postal Service after they ignored his order yesterday re missing ballots, 300000 ballots not delivered on time.

Would this mean they could be counted when they turn up

Like US Postal play by the rules? They sponsored Lance Armstrong ffs. :greengrin

[Ozyhibby]

Judge going after US Postal Service after they ignored his order yesterday re missing ballots, 300000 ballots not delivered on time.

Would this mean they could be counted when they turn up

Apparently they failed to deliver 25% of the mail in ballots in Florida. Might have chafed Miami-Dade?


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[lapsedhibee]

Shirley Trump can get his Supreme Court buddies to declare the Nebraska result unconstitutional or something. The Dems have definitely stolen one Electoral College vote there. How can it make sense in the greatest democracy on the planet to allow a state to split Electors like that? :grr: :panic:

[ronaldo7]

There was a big miss for Biden among Hispanics (Cuban and Venezuelan Americans) in Miami and surrounds. His vote was well down on Clinton 2016 there even though he was still ahead. If he'd matched Clinton he probably would have carried Florida.

But yes, in general Dems live in cities and increasingly in the burbs and GOPers tend to be rural.

Miami Dade was well down on 2016.

[Hibrandenburg]

I don’t think he planned to say he had won, Trump being Trump got ahead of himself. Pence did not back him on that, he was much more measured.

Oh I'm sure he did. He knew exactly what way the wind was blowing this morning and will have suspected this was a strong possibility for some time before that. What were about to witness in the coming days and weeks will have been deliberately instigated by this utter ****tard and his henchmen.

[JeMeSouviens]

Judge going after US Postal Service after they ignored his order yesterday re missing ballots, 300000 ballots not delivered on time.

Would this mean they could be counted when they turn up

Dunno :confused:

Also, will these ballots include senate races as well?

[Sir David Gray]

I woke up nearly 10 hours ago when it was 220-213 to Biden, since then only Hawaii has declared a result!

[GRA]

This one will run for a while yet, even if Michigan & Wisconsin get declared in Biden's favour the orange clown will no doubt have legal challenges on the way. A repeat of the election being decided in the courts, as it was in 2000, is on the cards.
:rules:

[PeeJay]

Judge going after US Postal Service after they ignored his order yesterday re missing ballots, 300000 ballots not delivered on time.

Would this mean they could be counted when they turn up

My understanding is that if the ballots were mailed on time with the appropriate postal date stamp, then they have to be counted when they arrive - they are legally cast votes, after all.

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[Sir David Gray]

My understanding is that if the ballots were mailed on time with the appropriate postal date stamp, then they have to be counted when they arrive - they are legally cast votes, after all.

That's correct. As long as the votes were posted before the polls closed then it doesn't matter when they arrive.

I think I heard someone say that some postal votes may not show up until next Tuesday but will be counted as long as they were posted off on time.

[Hibrandenburg]

Looks like Biden will now win without having to win in Pennsylvania.

[Callum_62]

How much did he lose florida by?

Was it less than 300k?

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[Vault Boy]

How much did he lose florida by?

Was it less than 300k?

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370k I think

[Bristolhibby]

Maine called for Biden.

3 out of the 4 college votes to Biden.

Means if he wins the states he’s in ahead in he can get 270 without Pennsylvania.

J

[One Day Soon]

When republican voices start to openly break from Trump it is going to be a joy.

[Northernhibee]

Now Trump has followed the Budge/Partick Thistle’s route of “clearly lose but take it to court for no apparent reason” routine, does that make Hearts the bigliest team?

[Rumble de Thump]

The Republicans have been going in heavy on the "the Democratics are pushing for late/illegal votes to count" even though none of them have suggested anything of the sort. It's a blatant, barefaced lie and bizarre narative that they've clearly been planning for a long time. It sums up Trump's time as president. A clear lie designed to manipulate people.

[JeMeSouviens]

Trump campaign demands recount in Wisconsin.

[Tobias Funke]

Trump campaign demands recount in Wisconsin.

And so it begins...

[lapsedhibee]

Wannabe Republican Psycho-In-Chief. Has all the attributes: https://twitter.com/i/status/1324045916366688260

[One Day Soon]

It would seem Twitter is much more aggressively censoring Tump's wild rants and claims now too.

[Jim44]

Half listening to the news, I thought I heard that ‘most postal votes were by Democrats’. Assuming it’s true, what’s the reason for that?

[Bristolhibby]

Trump campaign demands recount in Wisconsin.

As is their right when it comes to a margin of 1% or less.

I would expect nothing less. Historically though that might get him a couple of hundred votes. Biden is 20k up and rising.

J

[Bristolhibby]

Half listening to the news, I thought I heard that ‘most postal votes were by Democrats’. Assuming it’s true, what’s the reason for that?

They believe in COVID, masks, socially distancing, etc. And traditionally see the merit in not standing in the snow for 4 hours when it can be avoided.

J

[lapsedhibee]

Half listening to the news, I thought I heard that ‘most postal votes were by Democrats’. Assuming it’s true, what’s the reason for that?
Dems don't think Covid's a hoax, and see armed militiamen on the news, and given a choice prefer to be safe?

[Smartie]

It would seem Twitter is much more aggressively censoring Tump's wild rants and claims now too.

I wouldn't have thought "aggressive censorship" would be something I would ever endorse or encourage, but in the case of this POTUS it is just a crying shame they didn't start to do that many years ago.

There's something quite satisfying about the rage it might induce in him if they start doing it at this critical moment.

[calumhibee1]

Why are the odds starting to tighten again? 👀

[Kato]

I wouldn't have thought "aggressive censorship" would be something I would ever endorse or encourage, but in the case of this POTUS it is just a crying shame they didn't start to do that many years ago.

There's something quite satisfying about the rage it might induce in him if they start doing it at this critical moment.

Is there censorship? The posts can still be read, but the host has decided to add suitable caveats.

[Kato]

I've paid little heed to this election.....

Surprising. The liar who is our PM is depending on the liar who is President at the moment to further the projects you voted for. If the American liar loses, the Britain version liar you voted for and invested in will have a huge hole in his plans.

[BS44]

Why are the odds starting to tighten again? 👀

Is it by much?

Trump 11/5 Ladbrokes

[JeMeSouviens]

Why are the odds starting to tighten again? 👀

Arizona called by AP but not others, Trump campaign claims they have better intel and will still win. Lawsuit filed to try and stop counting in Michigan, expect the same to happen in Penn very soon.

Otoh, Wisconsin called for Biden by AP and CNN, so expect odds to start widening again. :greengrin

[CapitalGreen]

Arizona called by AP but not others, Trump campaign claims they have better intel and will still win. Lawsuit filed to try and stop counting in Michigan, expect the same to happen in Penn very soon.

Otoh, Wisconsin called for Biden by AP and CNN, so expect odds to start widening again. :greengrin

I think Wisconsin to Biden has been priced into the odds for a while.

[Vault Boy]

Trump's only hope is taking Nevada, however it seems more likely that Biden's lead will only increase here.

Trump campaign crying to the courts.

[Callum_62]

Arizona called by AP but not others, Trump campaign claims they have better intel and will still win. Lawsuit filed to try and stop counting in Michigan, expect the same to happen in Penn very soon.

Otoh, Wisconsin called for Biden by AP and CNN, so expect odds to start widening again. :greengrinA lawsuit to stop counting votes sounds really democratic.

Its actually happening what was predicted months ago trumps plan b would be

What an absolute looney tunes.

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[Tobias Funke]

Why are the odds starting to tighten again? 👀

Biden still heavy fave on the Betfair Exchange. 1.32 to back currently.

[Bristolhibby]

I think the chance of Trump winning has gone thankfully. Agree with the rest though. Biden is an atrocious candidate as well.

He’s not Trump and that will do for me.

Plus will take the wind out of the Brexit right wing Tories sails back here in the U.K.

Force Johnson to eat some humble pie and bury no deal once and for all. Biden will also persevere the integrity of the Good Friday Peace on the Island of Ireland.

J

[Bristolhibby]

Trump's only hope is taking Nevada, however it seems more likely that Biden's lead will only increase here.

Trump campaign crying to the courts.

Nevada is tight but Clark County (which is basically Las Vegas and the suburbs) have only counted 86%. Likely this will widen as the urban postal votes start coming in.

J

[The Harp Awakes]

Is it by much?

Trump 11/5 Ladbrokes

2/7 Biden and 11/4 Trump now. Had a bet on Biden at 5/6 this morning. Will the bookies pay out if there's a legal challenge?

[Hibrandenburg]

A lawsuit to stop counting votes sounds really democratic.

Its actually happening what was predicted months ago trumps plan b would be

What an absolute looney tunes.

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The big worry must be what plans C and D are.

[Rumble de Thump]

Nobody wants to see Trump's D.

[Callum_62]

Nobody wants to see Trump's D.Certainly not his wife that's for sure

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[calumhibee1]

Is it by much?

Trump 11/5 Ladbrokes

Biden was 1/5, can’t remember what he was when I posted that but I want to say 4/11? He’s back at 2/9 now though. Not that the bookies have been particularly on the ball here!

[Callum_62]

Biden was 1/5, can’t remember what he was when I posted that but I want to say 4/11? He’s back at 2/9 now though. Not that the bookies have been particularly on the ball here!Swaying more than trump decending an slight incline

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[One Day Soon]

Fox declared for Arizona? (Again)

[hibsbollah]

Fox declared for Arizona? (Again)

Fox declared for Arizona 18 hours ago, and then justified their decision in a special editorial. Much to Trumps annoyance. AP did, and then repeated by The Guardian here. I don’t think it’s in doubt. Years of local activism and campaigning in the local community has turned a traditional reliable red state blue.. What all local parties should be doing.

[Ryan91]

Fox declared for Arizona? (Again)

Associated Press have also declared Arizona for Biden, though no official declaration has been made.

In progress counting suggests a lead of over 90k for Biden with around 85% counted so far, suggestion is that Trump would need to take around 60% of remaining ballots to win.

[One Day Soon]

Fox declared for Arizona 18 hours ago, and then justified their decision in a special editorial. Much to Trumps annoyance. AP did, and then repeated by The Guardian here. I don’t think it’s in doubt. Years of local activism and campaigning in the local community has turned a traditional reliable red state blue.. What all local parties should be doing.

I'm more concerned about Nevada than Arizona - and I'm not really worried about either. I had seen earlier that some networks were suspending their earlier Arizona call due to some tech glitch which meant fewer votes had been counted than they'd thought. Anyway it seems to be safely heading to Biden.

He's home and dry I think.

[Itsnoteasy]

Early data in Georgia showing Biden doing much better with white voters than Clinton but behind in the young and latino vote.

Clinton !!!

[BroxburnHibee]

Michigan called for Biden. He's close!

[hibsbollah]

Michigan called for Biden. He's close!

Im loving the ‘Stop the Count’ protestors outside the count offices.

Sky news just calls Michigan for Biden.

[hibsbollah]

Finally, some good news for a change in 2020.

[Lendo]

Stuck £50 on Trump at 5/1 to soften the blow should the worst happen

[One Day Soon]

Biden's speech. Four years since we've heard a presidential speech. Crazy.

[BroxburnHibee]

Im loving the ‘Stop the Count’ protestors outside the count offices.

Sky news just calls Michigan for Biden.

Its over the 1% threshold for a recount too. :greengrin

Please please please let there be no more twists.

[One Day Soon]

Its over the 1% threshold for a recount too. :greengrin

Please please please let there be no more twists.


The twist is a great one. As soon as Biden hits 270 with Nevada and Arizona called every republican is on the spot in having to either support the rule of law and the result or support Trump on a madman's quest. It will fall apart for him pretty quickly at that point.

I actually think that utter **** Mitch McConnell may be early in breaking cover to say its over. Someone will and it will become a torrent.

It may even be his own shaped Supreme Court that gives him the two fingers.

[Vault Boy]

Biden's speech. Four years since we've heard a presidential speech. Crazy.

Feels a bit surreal. It wasn't anything special by any means, but it was night and day from the usual bloviating diatribe from the orange maniac. Some relative normality restored.

[BroxburnHibee]

Is he likely to tip over the 270 tonight?

[Callum_62]

Nevada for the win....

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[lapsedhibee]

Nevada for the win....


Pennsylvania count seems to be moving faster - might get to that win first, at least unofficially.

[One Day Soon]

Is he likely to tip over the 270 tonight?

He's likely to win while we're asleep. Arizona is counting again now or very soon but I think Nevada has parked the remainder for the day. Right now its lunchtime in Nevada so they may not start counting again until their next day.

If Arizona completes safely it's all but over though because what's left of Nevada should be straightforward for Biden.

[One Day Soon]

Pennsylvania count seems to be moving faster - might get that to that win first, at least unofficially.

Unfortunately they have a shed load of other votes 'in transit' which are eligible to be counted for days yet. Though if Biden hammered over the line with the ones they are already holding just now I suppose it could finish it.

[lapsedhibee]

Unfortunately they have a shed load of other votes 'in transit' which are eligible to be counted for days yet. Though if Biden hammered over the line with the ones they are already holding just now I suppose it could finish it.

Biden only needs about 2/3 of the remaining mail-in ballots in Pennsylvania to win it, and he's currently getting 3/4, so it's as safe as it can be. Toss-up between NV or PA taking him to the White House. Hurrah!

[Callum_62]

Why is nevada so slow if only worth 6?

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[Bostonhibby]

Why is nevada so slow if only worth 6?

Sent from my VOG-L29 using TapatalkWatch the gap closing in Georgia instead[emoji106]

Could go to the wire and Trump's been hiding all day.

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[GlesgaeHibby]

Watch the gap closing in Georgia instead[emoji106]

Could go to the wire and Trump's been hiding all day.

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It's over. Trump has called dibs on PA, GA, NC and MI:

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1324108200141082624

Can't wait to see the back of that roaster. He better not up sticks to Scotland following this.

[Callum_62]

It's over. Trump has called dibs on PA, GA, NC and MI:

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1324108200141082624

Can't wait to see the back of that roaster. He better not up sticks to Scotland following this.Can't believe we forgot about the dibs rule

Basic error by Biden.

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[Callum_62]

Watch the gap closing in Georgia instead[emoji106]

Could go to the wire and Trump's been hiding all day.

Sent from my SM-A750FN using TapatalkCrikey Biden only 70k behind with 6pct to count

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[Bostonhibby]

It's over. Trump has called dibs on PA, GA, NC and MI:

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1324108200141082624

Can't wait to see the back of that roaster. He better not up sticks to Scotland following this.Easy to call dibs when your sitting on the lavvy with a burger in one hand tweeting with the other but even in a Trumpian America Dibs might not be enough.

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[Bostonhibby]

Crikey Biden only 70k behind with 6pct to count

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[cabbageandribs1875]

the comic express :rolleyes:

24085

[Mon Dieu4]

I see Kanye West got over 60,000 votes, I'd have probably voted for him as well :greengrin

[GlesgaeHibby]

the comic express :rolleyes:

24085

Bloody hell. Even by their standards, that is something else!

[One Day Soon]

Watch the gap closing in Georgia instead[emoji106]

Could go to the wire and Trump's been hiding all day.

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That would be truly special. Beating him in a proper Southern state. After all the other cosmic ****-ness of 2020 this outcome is more than I dared hope for. The humiliation of the most powerful person in the West being that snowflake degenerate will be over and he'll be a one term failure with plenty of financial and judicial challenges to face.

Karma.

[Bostonhibby]

That would be truly special. Beating him in a proper Southern state. After all the other cosmic ****-ness of 2020 this outcome is more than I dared hope for. The humiliation of the most powerful person in the West being that snowflake degenerate will be over and he'll be a one term failure with plenty of financial and judicial challenges to face.

Karma.Atlanta could swing it away from him

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[Kato]

the comic express :rolleyes:

24085

Paul Baldwin

What an utter hack.

[JeMeSouviens]

I think Biden is on track in Penn - Trump lead down to 277K with approx 900K still to count.

Georgia is going to be a knife edge - Trump lead about 60K with about 300K left to go.

[Mon Dieu4]

I'm watching some lunatic Republican from Nevada on Newsnight just now who has just went on a full on rant about how the Democrats realised last night that Trump was going to win, so they stopped counting votes so they could cheat and fix it so Biden would have a come back when the counting restarted

These folk are absolutely mental and even scarier was she had actually been in the running to get elected

[Renfrew_Hibby]

Thinking Joe Joe Super Joe will eventually win at a canter, taking Arizona, Nevada, Pennsylvania and Georgia.

Just a pity about the Senate but my God how good will it be to see that orange puss in a couple of days time.

[Bostonhibby]

I'm watching some lunatic Republican from Nevada on Newsnight just now who has just went on a full on rant about how the Democrats realised last night that Trump was going to win, so they stopped counting votes so they could cheat and fix it so Biden would have a come back when the counting restarted

These folk are absolutely mental and even scarier was she had actually been in the running to get electedI remember a Republican saying Barack Obama was a weak leader because he wasnt in the White House but was in fact hiding on 9/11.

They probably shouldn't be taken too seriously when they're in full on stary eyed Trump mode.

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[JeMeSouviens]

Why is nevada so slow if only worth 6?

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They sent out postal votes to the entire electorate. But also because they seem to have taken the day off!

[hibsbollah]

I'm watching some lunatic Republican from Nevada on Newsnight just now who has just went on a full on rant about how the Democrats realised last night that Trump was going to win, so they stopped counting votes so they could cheat and fix it so Biden would have a come back when the counting restarted

These folk are absolutely mental and even scarier was she had actually been in the running to get elected

Just watched the same.

The fact she was sitting at the bottom of the stairway with mirrors either side made it look like she’d just staggered down a nightclub stairs trying to get to the toilets. Totally out of her depth, Emily Maitliss looked like she took pity on her in the end.

[Bristolhibby]

Can't believe we forgot about the dibs rule

Basic error by Biden.

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It’s up there with “shotgun” and “bags-I” a politician of his statues should have known better.

J

[Hibrandenburg]

I'm watching some lunatic Republican from Nevada on Newsnight just now who has just went on a full on rant about how the Democrats realised last night that Trump was going to win, so they stopped counting votes so they could cheat and fix it so Biden would have a come back when the counting restarted

These folk are absolutely mental and even scarier was she had actually been in the running to get elected

I've yet to hear or see a Trump supporting Republican that is remotely normal. They're a mixed bag of nasty nutjobs.

[BS44]

Gets a mention in today's Metro that Farage had a ten grand bet on Trump to win the election

This election gets better and better!

[JimBHibees]

Trump lead in Georgia down to 23k or so with I think 5 per cent of the vote to declare

[lapsedhibee]

Trump lead in Georgia down to 23k or so with I think 5 per cent of the vote to declare

Estimated 100,000 still to be counted there. Biden could take all the outstanding states. Don't know why papers are talking about election being 'on a knife edge'.

[Callum_62]

Estimated 100,000 still to be counted there. Biden could take all the outstanding states. Don't know why papers are talking about election being 'on a knife edge'.The papers didn't take into account the FRAUD

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[lapsedhibee]

The papers didn't take into account the FRAUD


Does Trump maybe think that presenting as a disintegrating lunatic will keep him out of JAIL?

Doesn't the US legal system have the Ernest Saunders defence, or WHAT?

[G B Young]

Estimated 100,000 still to be counted there. Biden could take all the outstanding states. Don't know why papers are talking about election being 'on a knife edge'.

According to the polls, the whole thing was supposed to be one big Biden victory march. Instead Trump has actually picked up millions more votes than he got last time out. Baffling to our eyes, but it shows how divided a nation the USA is. The fact this has turned out to be such a close, drawn-out affair is the worst possible outcome from that perspective. Even if Biden is ultimately declared the winner, Trump will keep this going for weeks/months.

[Bristolhibby]

the papers didn't take into account the fraud

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riiiiiiight

[lord bunberry]

Does Trump maybe think that presenting as a disintegrating lunatic will keep him out of JAIL?

Doesn't the US legal system have the Ernest Saunders defence, or WHAT?
It might be a bargaining tool, if he drops his legal challenges, they promise not to prosecute him.

[lapsedhibee]

riiiiiiight

Don't think C62 was being SERIOUS.

[Future17]

Estimated 100,000 still to be counted there. Biden could take all the outstanding states. Don't know why papers are talking about election being 'on a knife edge'.

Because Biden could still lose.

[lapsedhibee]

It might be a bargaining tool, if he drops his legal challenges, they promise not to prosecute him.

If Biden wants to heal the US in that way, he should make it a condition of any pardon that Trump insist to his 68m cult followers that they attend some sort of education initiative. Thinking 101, that kind of thing.

[Ozyhibby]

They sent out postal votes to the entire electorate. But also because they seem to have taken the day off!

They sent out postal vote to everyone and they also allowed everyone to vote in person. They are spending the day sorting out all the one who voted twice.


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[lapsedhibee]

Because Biden could still lose.

Not by a vote count. Maybe a corrupt Supreme Court decision.

[Keith_M]

I see the discussion from the Trump camp is all about fraud and lawsuits.


Surely he could just declare bankruptcy (again)?

[Stairway 2 7]

If this was Belarus the un would be in to referee, home of the free

[G B Young]

If Biden wants to heal the US in that way, he should make it a condition of any pardon that Trump insist to his 68m cult followers that they attend some sort of education initiative. Thinking 101, that kind of thing.

The Democrats have come close to making the same mistake they did in 2016 ie adopting a 'who could possibly vote for Trump' mantra and dismissing anyone who does so as a thick racist. They had four years to come up with something/somebody better and the best they could do was the deeply uninspiring Joe Biden, a lazy choice whose credentials amount to little more than being the 'not Trump' candidate.

Had Trump's handling of the Covid-19 crisis not been so awful he'd most likely be celebrating four more years in the White House right now.

Not dissimilar to the Brexit vote, where the 'intellectual left' aassumed they represented 'the people' and were left stunned that the majority of the UK electorate didn't think like them. Quite incredibly they contrived to help Boris Johnson appear as the true man of the people!

[staunchhibby]

Who pays for Trumps legal fees.

[CropleyWasGod]

Who pays for Trumps legal fees.

His campaign funds.

[Future17]

Not by a vote count. Maybe a corrupt Supreme Court decision.

Of course he could. It's looking unlikely, but it's possible.

[lapsedhibee]

Of course he could. It's looking unlikely, but it's possible.

It's a known (or let's say undisputed, to be picky) fact that the substantial majority of unprocessed ballots in Pennsylvania are for Biden. Winning Pennsylvania takes him over the line even if Arizona is in doubt. Biden has won the election, it's not on a knife edge in any counting sense.

[Ozyhibby]

The Democrats have come close to making the same mistake they did in 2016 ie adopting a 'who could possibly vote for Trump' mantra and dismissing anyone who does so as a thick racist. They had four years to come up with something/somebody better and the best they could do was the deeply uninspiring Joe Biden, a lazy choice whose credentials amount to little more than being the 'not Trump' candidate.

Had Trump's handling of the Covid-19 crisis not been so awful he'd most likely be celebrating four more years in the White House right now.

Not dissimilar to the Brexit vote, where the 'intellectual left' aassumed they represented 'the people' and were left stunned that the majority of the UK electorate didn't think like them. Quite incredibly they contrived to help Boris Johnson appear as the true man of the people!

You could take that point of view. Or you could look at as the Democrats recognised the inherent strength of the Trump base and picked a top ticket that could pick up more votes than any other presidential candidate ever and if he takes Pennsylvania, Georgia and Arizona, will deliver an electoral college landslide as well as winning the popular vote with an increased margin?


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[Hibrandenburg]

The Democrats have come close to making the same mistake they did in 2016 ie adopting a 'who could possibly vote for Trump' mantra and dismissing anyone who does so as a thick racist.

I'm struggling to see how else you can describe someone who is willing to support a candidate/party that is thoroughly racist and willing to court white supremacists to get elected. They're either extremely naive or at least willing to turn a blind eye to racism.

[hibsbollah]

The Democrats have come close to making the same mistake they did in 2016 ie adopting a 'who could possibly vote for Trump' mantra and dismissing anyone who does so as a thick racist. They had four years to come up with something/somebody better and the best they could do was the deeply uninspiring Joe Biden, a lazy choice whose credentials amount to little more than being the 'not Trump' candidate.

Had Trump's handling of the Covid-19 crisis not been so awful he'd most likely be celebrating four more years in the White House right now.

Not dissimilar to the Brexit vote, where the 'intellectual left' aassumed they represented 'the people' and were left stunned that the majority of the UK electorate didn't think like them. Quite incredibly they contrived to help Boris Johnson appear as the true man of the people!

Calling out racism is not the mistake the Democatics made in 2016. Trumps individual racism is overt now, it’s out there and obvious for all to see. People got to vote on that basis. The sad reality is that Trumps racism chimes with the views of millions of American voters. These racists might not be Klan members or might not be violent racists, but they don’t really want non whites as neighbours or to lose their structural advantages that they’ve had since the USA came into being. What is ‘lazy’ is an inability or unwillingness to grapple with these issues. Beating Trump is just a long process of fixing a broken society.

[hibsbollah]

You could take that point of view. Or you could look at as the Democrats recognised the inherent strength of the Trump base and picked a top ticket that could pick up more votes than any other presidential candidate ever and if he takes Pennsylvania, Georgia and Arizona, will deliver an electoral college landslide as well as winning the popular vote with an increased margin?


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As delighted as I am about the likely Dem victory, it really shouldn’t have been close based on the absolute shambles of the Covid non response. Not winning the senate will be a major blow for the prospects of changing the nation. Joe Biden was a poor candidate who’s main appeal was that he wasn’t Donald Trump. It’s great news but it’s only a partial victory.

[Jones28]

As delighted as I am about the likely Dem victory, it really shouldn’t have been close based on the absolute shambles of the Covid non response. Not winning the senate will be a major blow for the prospects of changing the nation. Joe Biden was a poor candidate who’s main appeal was that he wasn’t Donald Trump. It’s great news but it’s only a partial victory.

That was his main point. A political campaign shouldn't be fought on the "I'm not the current incumbent". It highlights how mad American politics is.

Would his number 2 not have been the better option from the get go? Actually no, the democrats have tried the female experiment.

[lapsedhibee]

As delighted as I am about the likely Dem victory, it really shouldn’t have been close based on the absolute shambles of the Covid non response. Not winning the senate will be a major blow for the prospects of changing the nation. Joe Biden was a poor candidate who’s main appeal was that he wasn’t Donald Trump. It’s great news but it’s only a partial victory.

Agree but credit where credit's due. It's a significant victory to overcome, by four or five million votes, 68 million cultists (many of whom thick and many of whom racist).

[Ozyhibby]

As delighted as I am about the likely Dem victory, it really shouldn’t have been close based on the absolute shambles of the Covid non response. Not winning the senate will be a major blow for the prospects of changing the nation. Joe Biden was a poor candidate who’s main appeal was that he wasn’t Donald Trump. It’s great news but it’s only a partial victory.

I agree Joe Biden was a poor candidate but due to Bernie Sanders taking all the oxygen in the primaries, the only moderate who could cut through was Joe Biden because of his massive name recognition. If the left flirt with the extreme then they lose. Democrat voters, to their credit, saw the danger and rallied round a moderate candidate who could win.
Trump would have smashed Sanders.


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[Future17]

It's a known (or let's say undisputed, to be picky) fact that the substantial majority of unprocessed ballots in Pennsylvania are for Biden. Winning Pennsylvania takes him over the line even if Arizona is in doubt. Biden has won the election, it's not on a knife edge in any counting sense.

I don't think anyone should be banking uncounted votes. With Trump leading in Pennsylvania and Georgia and it being close in Nevada, I think it was entirely fair to describe it as being on a knife-edge.

[calumhibee1]

I'm struggling to see how else you can describe someone who is willing to support a candidate/party that is thoroughly racist and willing to court white supremacists to get elected. They're either extremely naive or at least willing to turn a blind eye to racism.

I would have voted for Biden, however surely by the same logic anyone that voted for Biden is willing to turn a blind eye to predators?

[hibsbollah]

Trump would have smashed Sanders.


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You’re saying that because you want that to be true because you don’t like the left, not because the polling numbers back you up. Sanders was immensely popular in the rust belt states that Clinton lost and which the Democrats took for granted that they always vote Blue for ever just because they were blue collar. Sanders ‘taking oxygen’ isn’t a comment that makes any sense to me, unless you mean he did better in campaigning, which he did?

[lapsedhibee]

I don't think anyone should be banking uncounted votes. With Trump leading in Pennsylvania and Georgia and it being close in Nevada, I think it was entirely fair to describe it as being on a knife-edge.

Arizona might be on a knife-edge. The outcome of the Electoral College isn't, imo.

[hibsbollah]

That was his main point. A political campaign shouldn't be fought on the "I'm not the current incumbent". It highlights how mad American politics is.

Would his number 2 not have been the better option from the get go? Actually no, the democrats have tried the female experiment.

‘Female experiment’?:greengrin. So because Hilary lost, let’s close the door to 50% of your potential candidates going forward because they’re female?

I think you need to rethink that. Hilary lost because she forgot her base; going into West Virginia and saying she’s going to close down a lot of coal mines for example, wasn’t the smartest move.

[MWHIBBIES]

I don't think the senate is over either. 2 races to be decided in January and then many more seats up for grabs in 2 years. If Biden has a positive first 2 years (basically, if he handles covid and delivers a strong budget), Dems will likely hold everything imo.

[Ozyhibby]

You’re saying that because you want that to be true because you don’t like the left, not because the polling numbers back you up. Sanders was immensely popular in the rust belt states that Clinton lost and which the Democrats took for granted that they always vote Blue for ever just because they were blue collar. Sanders ‘taking oxygen’ isn’t a comment that makes any sense to me, unless you mean he did better in campaigning, which he did?

He did take all the oxygen away from the other Dem candidates. He had a base and organisation that had not been stood down from 4 years earlier. He had a massive fundraising operation already collecting million of dollars. It made it very difficult for young less well known Dem candidates to make any headway especially since Bernie was massively supported by the younger voters they would need to help build any momentum.
Even with all that he couldn’t seal the deal. Biden entered the race very late but wiped the floor with Sanders. It wasn’t even close. Given that he couldn’t win a majority of Dem voters, it’s hard to argue that he could have won a majority in a general election. The left constantly confuses large enthusiastic support among young people on marches or at rally’s with widespread popularity within the population. It was the same with Corbyn.
You win from the centre in politics.


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[Jones28]

‘Female experiment’?:greengrin. So because Hilary lost, let’s close the door to 50% of your potential candidates going forward because they’re female?

I think you need to rethink that. Hilary lost because she forgot her base; going into West Virginia and saying she’s going to close down a lot of coal mines for example, wasn’t the smartest move.

Sorry that was meant to be sarcastic, forgot to add smilies!

It was more of a swipe at the establishment democrats who saw the older white male as a better candidate than anyone else, despite the fact that there actually does seem to be some good people within the party.

AOC is class, even if she does need a bit of reigning in. She could have been Americas Jucinda Arderne.

[Ozyhibby]

Sorry that was meant to be sarcastic, forgot to add smilies!

It was more of a swipe at the establishment democrats who saw the older white male as a better candidate than anyone else, despite the fact that there actually does seem to be some good people within the party.

AOC is class, even if she does need a bit of reigning in. She could have been Americas Jucinda Arderne.

Still could be. Too young still and needs to move more to the centre which usually comes with age but definitely potential there.


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[CropleyWasGod]

Not sure if this is correct, but I have just seen a Tweet that claims the GOP will have more QAnon members in the HOR than African-Americans.

:confused:

[neil7908]

He did take all the oxygen away from the other Dem candidates. He had a base and organisation that had not been stood down from 4 years earlier. He had a massive fundraising operation already collecting million of dollars. It made it very difficult for young less well known Dem candidates to make any headway especially since Bernie was massively supported by the younger voters they would need to help build any momentum.
Even with all that he couldn’t seal the deal. Biden entered the race very late but wiped the floor with Sanders. It wasn’t even close. Given that he couldn’t win a majority of Dem voters, it’s hard to argue that he could have won a majority in a general election. The left constantly confuses large enthusiastic support among young people on marches or at rally’s with widespread popularity within the population. It was the same with Corbyn.
You win from the centre in politics.


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Your last point surely doesn't hold true unless you consider Trump and Boris to be centrist politicians?

[jonty]

They had four years to come up with something/somebody better and the best they could do was the deeply uninspiring Joe Biden, a lazy choice whose credentials amount to little more than being the 'not Trump' candidate.

You think that 8 years as vice president counts for nothing?

[Bristolhibby]

That was his main point. A political campaign shouldn't be fought on the "I'm not the current incumbent". It highlights how mad American politics is.

Would his number 2 not have been the better option from the get go? Actually no, the democrats have tried the female experiment.

Equally would have been nice to have a positive message from Trump.

Talk about project fear.

Every tweet and rally was

They will take your jobs
Take your guns
Ban god
Antifa will ruin your cities
They want to take your flag

Jusus mate! Give the country some hope!

J

[bigwheel]

You think that 8 years as vice president counts for nothing?

Added to his 47 year political career ......tbh though - not being Donald Trump is quite a valuable credential in this moment