US Presidential Elections 2020

[GlesgaeHibby]

Yes, Many millions have already cast their vote, but in many states these votes aren’t allowed to be physically counted until after the election, so they won’t form part of the initial ‘in person’ count on the day and we won’t see them until after election night. Far more Republicans will vote in person in the traditional way so it’s not clear how much of Biden’s poll lead will be reflected on election night itself.

Which of course plays in to Trump's hands. He takes an early lead due to counting of in person votes, and then when Biden overtakes him he starts calling the election rigged and questioning the validity of postal votes. This could get messy.

[Ozyhibby]

Which of course plays in to Trump's hands. He takes an early lead due to counting of in person votes, and then when Biden overtakes him he starts calling the election rigged and questioning the validity of postal votes. This could get messy.

Not all states count their postal votes last. I think Biden will be ahead on the night as well.[emoji106]


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[Hibernia&Alba]

Chris Hedges, journalist, left wing activist and Presbyterian minister eviscerates the America of today and explains what the 'choice' in American elections really represents. Very highly recommended.


https://youtu.be/GxSN4ip_F6M

[hibsbollah]

Which of course plays in to Trump's hands. He takes an early lead due to counting of in person votes, and then when Biden overtakes him he starts calling the election rigged and questioning the validity of postal votes. This could get messy.

I’m happy to stick my neck out and predict a Biden landslide, 384-154 when the dust settles. Biden will win unthinkable states like Georgia and both Carolinas, but not Texas, and Lindsay Graham will lose his senate seat, giving Bernie control of the senate budget committee! But there’s a CNBC poll quoted here https://open.spotify.com/episode/0MSALgABDI0uBxqZTstlrT?si=kHn88qiAS-a5y9-Ynfkkdg
which says 71% of democratic voters will vote by absentee ballot, but the majority of Republicans (54%) will vote in person. That’s a big disparity, and without knowing how that breaks down per state, it’s hard to know how many states will be in a position to call a winner on the night itself. It could be 4 days after the election when some states get called! That’s the concern, as you say, about messiness, particularly with his recent ‘stand down, stand by’ chat and talk of rigged elections.

[heretoday]

If Biden wins it'll be a small chink of light at the end of a very dark tunnel for all of humanity.

[Hibbyradge]

I’m happy to stick my neck out and predict a Biden landslide, 384-154 when the dust settles. Biden will win unthinkable states like Georgia and both Carolinas, but not Texas, and Lindsay Graham will lose his senate seat, giving Bernie control of the senate budget committee! But there’s a CNBC poll quoted here https://open.spotify.com/episode/0MSALgABDI0uBxqZTstlrT?si=kHn88qiAS-a5y9-Ynfkkdg
which says 71% of democratic voters will vote by absentee ballot, but the majority of Republicans (54%) will vote in person. That’s a big disparity, and without knowing how that breaks down per state, it’s hard to know how many states will be in a position to call a winner on the night itself. It could be 4 days after the election when some states get called! That’s the concern, as you say, about messiness, particularly with his recent ‘stand down, stand by’ chat and talk of rigged elections.

If your forecast is even close to being correct, I shall worship you forever and follow you to the ends of the earth (once we're allowed to travel, likesay).

[RyeSloan]

I’m happy to stick my neck out and predict a Biden landslide, 384-154 when the dust settles. Biden will win unthinkable states like Georgia and both Carolinas, but not Texas, and Lindsay Graham will lose his senate seat, giving Bernie control of the senate budget committee! But there’s a CNBC poll quoted here https://open.spotify.com/episode/0MSALgABDI0uBxqZTstlrT?si=kHn88qiAS-a5y9-Ynfkkdg
which says 71% of democratic voters will vote by absentee ballot, but the majority of Republicans (54%) will vote in person. That’s a big disparity, and without knowing how that breaks down per state, it’s hard to know how many states will be in a position to call a winner on the night itself. It could be 4 days after the election when some states get called! That’s the concern, as you say, about messiness, particularly with his recent ‘stand down, stand by’ chat and talk of rigged elections.

I’ve been thinking similar however the polarity of American politics is probably quite unique so maybe casual observance from across the pond doesn’t quite stack up.

But even with that factored it’s hard to see why anyone outside of the die hard ‘never Democrats at any price’ group could countenance voting for him. He hasn’t even bothered to even outline what he is campaigning for a second term to do....it appears to be a ‘just because’ campaign completely devoid of any policies whatsoever.

To be honest I’m just looking forward to him going away and leaving America and the rest of the world alone.

While you can debate all you want how much of an impact a POTUS has on other people’s everyday lives I think it’s safe to say having someone in that position, that has done so much damage to that office of the worlds most powerful country, has not done anyone any favours.

[hibsbollah]

If your forecast is even close to being correct, I shall worship you forever and follow you to the ends of the earth (once we're allowed to travel, likesay).

I always welcome worshippers :agree: But of course politics is all uncharted waters these days, who knows anything really about what’s happening, do people even tell the truth to pollsters anymore, is it all a big trollathon, it seems like a roll of the dice.

[Northernhibee]

The more this goes on, the more I think Trump is getting another term. I don’t think it will be decided on 2020 but if Trump can get it to the Supreme Court which I think is his plan he’ll win. That would be very ugly.

Biden is by and large playing by the rules but as much as Trumps events are superspreaders his strength lies in being in front of a crowd, giving them phrases to chant and cheer for without having to speak an ounce of truth or be held accountable by experts or journalists.

If he can get it close enough that he can drag it through the courts, he’ll remain president irrelevant of what the voters choose.

[Ozyhibby]

The more this goes on, the more I think Trump is getting another term. I don’t think it will be decided on 2020 but if Trump can get it to the Supreme Court which I think is his plan he’ll win. That would be very ugly.

Biden is by and large playing by the rules but as much as Trumps events are superspreaders his strength lies in being in front of a crowd, giving them phrases to chant and cheer for without having to speak an ounce of truth or be held accountable by experts or journalists.

If he can get it close enough that he can drag it through the courts, he’ll remain president irrelevant of what the voters choose.

He won’t get it anywhere near the courts. He’ll be soundly beaten next week and republicans will drop him like a hot potato. He’ll immediately start to face significant legal problems and without the protection of the presidency he’ll likely be convicted but not face jail time (he’s white and wealthy).


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[Northernhibee]

He won’t get it anywhere near the courts. He’ll be soundly beaten next week and republicans will drop him like a hot potato. He’ll immediately start to face significant legal problems and without the protection of the presidency he’ll likely be convicted but not face jail time (he’s white and wealthy).


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I’d love to believe that’s the case but I think you’ll see the polls tighten in the next week in a bit and potentially the same so called “gammonwave” that took Johnson to a large majority over here.

[Ozyhibby]

I’d love to believe that’s the case but I think you’ll see the polls tighten in the next week in a bit and potentially the same so called “gammonwave” that took Johnson to a large majority over here.

1/3 of all votes are already cast so a late surge might not be that effective.


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[Ozyhibby]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20201024/5d17174bd9fc925ab4e2e95256feb6c5.jpg

This is great news for Biden, given his lead in this age group.


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[Hibbyradge]

I always welcome worshippers :agree: But of course politics is all uncharted waters these days, who knows anything really about what’s happening, do people even tell the truth to pollsters anymore, is it all a big trollathon, it seems like a roll of the dice.

What kind of seer are you, ffs?

One minute you "stick your neck out" and make bold, inspirational predictions, then in the next breath you offer words of caution.

I think I'll stick to worshipping Russell Grant. You don't hear him doubting himself. :rolleyes:

[Hibbyradge]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20201024/5d17174bd9fc925ab4e2e95256feb6c5.jpg

This is great news for Biden, given his lead in this age group.


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How can that be known?

[Moulin Yarns]

How can that be known?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-54665375

[hibsbollah]

What kind of seer are you, ffs?

One minute you "stick your neck out" and make bold, inspirational predictions, then in the next breath you offer words of caution.

I think I'll stick to worshipping Russell Grant. You don't hear him doubting himself. :rolleyes:

:faf: OK, no self doubt. It’s a 384-154 landslide, I guarantee it.

[Northernhibee]

What worries me is that the US Postal System hasn't been given assistance to deal with the additional ballots sent by post and are running well behind schedule in most states. Michigan, a key battleground state, has confirmed that any ballots received after the deadline won't be counted irrelevant of when they were postmarked.

Everything that can be done is being done to suppress voters just now. Don't count anything out.

[JeMeSouviens]

:faf: OK, no self doubt. It’s a 384-154 landslide, I guarantee it.

337 Biden 201 Trump

Take it to the bank :wink:

[Pretty Boy]

The issue for Trump if he refuses to go quietly is that he doesn't have that many friends where it matters. He's not particularly popular within his own party or with the military. The one place he has had big influence is in the judiciary and that's something of a concern but I'm not sure it's enough.

If he was someone like Paul Ryan, as an example, then the entire Republican machine would be behind him. As it is I think his own party will be quite happy to see the back of him even if it means 4 years of a Biden presidency.

[BroxburnHibee]

I see he mouthed off about postal votes again.

Im not convinced he'll lose or go quietly if he does.

[Ozyhibby]

I see he mouthed off about postal votes again.

Im not convinced he'll lose or go quietly if he does.

He will lose, I’m certain of that. He won’t go quietly but he will go. He will lash out all over the place but to little effect.


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[Northernhibee]

He will lose, I’m certain of that. He won’t go quietly but he will go. He will lash out all over the place but to little effect.


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What worries me if this comes to pass if the effect he'll have will be with the white supremacist groups.

[One Day Soon]

He's going to be eviscerated. As soon as that is demonstrably certain his establishment support will run for the hills. He's going to lose states the Republicans would never believe they could, he's likely going to hand Biden control of Congress too. I suspect that a one term president, as Biden would almost certainly be, will be much more aggressive with using his majority than someone thinking about a second term, so maybe he will go after Supreme Court reform after all.

The best thing is that Trump is too vain, too dumb and in too deep to realise that he desperately needs Biden to pardon him. Once he's no longer President he's facing legal cases up to his neck and beyond. And so are most of his family.

[CropleyWasGod]

What worries me if this comes to pass if the effect he'll have will be with the white supremacist groups.

There's also the issue that he would still be in power until January 20th.

[Future17]

He's going to be eviscerated. As soon as that is demonstrably certain his establishment support will run for the hills. He's going to lose states the Republicans would never believe they could, he's likely going to hand Biden control of Congress too. I suspect that a one term president, as Biden would almost certainly be, will be much more aggressive with using his majority than someone thinking about a second term, so maybe he will go after Supreme Court reform after all.

The best thing is that Trump is too vain, too dumb and in too deep to realise that he desperately needs Biden to pardon him. Once he's no longer President he's facing legal cases up to his neck and beyond. And so are most of his family.

There's a school of thought that suggests he can pardon himself.

[CropleyWasGod]

There's a school of thought that suggests he can pardon himself.

He'd have to have been indicted and found guilty first, no?

[Northernhibee]

There's also the issue that he would still be in power until January 20th.

I do wonder if he'd end up punishing the voters for voting against him and just using that time to unleash merry hell? It truly wouldn't shock me.

[Future17]

He'd have to have been indicted and found guilty first, no?

Nope. Blank slates all round.

[CropleyWasGod]

Nope. Blank slates all round.

So he can't pardon himself? 😆

[Future17]

So he can't pardon himself? 😆

I'm confused. :confused:

[CropleyWasGod]

I'm confused. :confused:

As am I 😆

The point I'm clumsily trying to make is that he hasn't been convicted of anything, so there is nothing to pardon him for

[Ozyhibby]

He can pardon himself but he would have to say for what first. I think that he would struggle to admit anything.


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[Ozyhibby]

As am I [emoji38]

The point I'm clumsily trying to make is that he hasn't been convicted of anything, so there is nothing to pardon him for

He can pre pardon himself but he has to say what he done.


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[CropleyWasGod]

He can pre pardon himself but he has to say what he done.


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He needs to be convicted though. So... would he pre-convict himself and then pre-pardon himself? 😆

And then he gets to keep the money....

[Future17]

As am I 😆

The point I'm clumsily trying to make is that he hasn't been convicted of anything, so there is nothing to pardon him for


He can pardon himself but he would have to say for what first. I think that he would struggle to admit anything.


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He wouldn't have to specify an offence. He could just say he was pardoning himself for any federal offences committed to date.

[CropleyWasGod]

He wouldn't have to specify an offence. He could just say he was pardoning himself for any federal offences committed to date.

Presidential pardons are for convictions, not alleged offences.

[Future17]

He needs to be convicted though. So... would he pre-convict himself and then pre-pardon himself? 😆

And then he gets to keep the money....

He doesn't need to have been convicted; he just needs to have committed the offence(s).

[Future17]

Presidential pardons are for convictions, not alleged offences.

They're for offences, not convictions. You might be thinking of commutations?

[CropleyWasGod]

They're for offences, not convictions. You might be thinking of commutations?

Actually, I think you're right. Ford pardoned Nixon when he hadn't been convicted or even indicted.

[RyeSloan]

There's also the issue that he would still be in power until January 20th.

But the new congress starts 3rd Jan.

Also google suggests Senators are elected for 6 years so only a third are up every two years (and thus this election) but the House of Representatives are always fully up for election every two.

Weird!

Edit: It appears that the Dems only need 3 gains to take the Senate out of the 35 up for election and that the vast majority of the Dems up this time around are pretty much a stick on to win. The republicans have a big task on their hands with 7 or 8 of them vulnerable and another 3 or 4 not outside the realms of possibility.


It appears then that this election could result in a dramatic shift of power to the Democrats if the votes land the right way.

[Ozyhibby]

But the new congress starts 3rd Jan.

Also google suggests Senators are elected for 6 years so only a third are up every two years (and thus this election) but the House of Representatives are always fully up for election every two.

Weird!

Dems need to flip four senate seats. Two are looking very good and they are close in about 6 others.


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[RyeSloan]

Dems need to flip four senate seats. Two are looking very good and they are close in about 6 others.


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Ahh yeah just edited my post after a quick google!

One of the four needed goes to the VP so assuming a Biden win it’s only 3 needed...

[Bostonhibby]

So he can't pardon himself? [emoji38]He doesn't think he's done anything wrong so it's an oxymoron?

Trump is an oxymoron. Looking forward to him tweeting that he's never injected Oxo as it's Chinese.

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[hibsbollah]

Ahh yeah just edited my post after a quick google!

One of the four needed goes to the VP so assuming a Biden win it’s only 3 needed...

When I looked at the polling maybe a month ago there was a lot of talk about Democratic senators who were going to lose, so the total gains the Dems would have to pull off to flip the senate might be 7 or 8. Looking at the Cook Report now, there is only one Democrat really under threat, a racially charged race in Alabama with a famous anti racist prosecutor up against an ex Auburn football coach. All the other Democrats look safe. By contrast, there are 9 republicans either behind or in ‘too close to call’ races, including big names like Lindsay Graham and even Mitch McConnell. It’s looking bleak for the GOP.

[silverhibee]

Maybe #fakmelania will get him a few extra votes. :greengrin

[Mikey]

When I looked at the polling maybe a month ago there was a lot of talk about Democratic senators who were going to lose, so the total gains the Dems would have to pull off to flip the senate might be 7 or 8. Looking at the Cook Report now, there is only one Democrat really under threat, a racially charged race in Alabama with a famous anti racist prosecutor up against an ex Auburn football coach. All the other Democrats look safe. By contrast, there are 9 republicans either behind or in ‘too close to call’ races, including big names like Lindsay Graham and even Mitch McConnell. It’s looking bleak for the GOP.

It would be great if Graham and McConnell get emptied.

[stokesmessiah]

Maybe #fakmelania will get him a few extra votes. :greengrin

I knew nothing about that but just looked it up - is this just a Twitter thing going over my head or did he actually use a double on the campaign trail?

[Hibbyradge]

I knew nothing about that but just looked it up - is this just a Twitter thing going over my head or did he actually use a double on the campaign trail?

It's a Twitter rumour.

[hibsbollah]

It's a Twitter rumour.

It’s not the same woman, unless there’s been some image manipulation going on.

[Hibbyradge]

It’s not the same woman, unless there’s been some image manipulation going on.

Mibbes aye...

[Moulin Yarns]

Mibbes aye...

Seriously, is that who it is? 🤣

[Hibbyradge]

Seriously, is that who it is? 🤣

Whoosh...:hmmm:

Edit: Got it, at last!

[Moulin Yarns]

Jo Biden must win because of this.


Rick — thank you for sharing your talent with me. I was so blown away by your art that I asked my team to add it to our online store: https://t.co/dVYZJVceoq https://t.co/lh3keVBoSB

[Future17]

Seriously, is that who it is? 🤣

:greengrin

[Mikey]

94%.................

https://projects.economist.com/us-2020-forecast/president

I wonder where Hillary was at the same time 4 years ago!

[Keith_M]

94%.................

https://projects.economist.com/us-2020-forecast/president

I wonder where Hillary was at the same time 4 years ago!


In prison?


:dunno:

[Hibrandenburg]

94%.................

https://projects.economist.com/us-2020-forecast/president

I wonder where Hillary was at the same time 4 years ago!

Dining on babies with Prince Andrew?

[lapsedhibee]

94%.................

https://projects.economist.com/us-2020-forecast/president

I wonder where Hillary was at the same time 4 years ago!

Was she getting over a bout of pneumonia, fortified by Trump's best wishes for a speedy recovery?

[Mikey]

96%..............

https://projects.economist.com/us-2020-forecast/president

[Northernhibee]

96%..............

https://projects.economist.com/us-2020-forecast/president

I wonder if there’d be a point where Trump would create a scenario when he pulled out of the running to save face? “Oh, we’d have won by a landslide. Everybody says so. It’d have been the bigliest victory ever. Believe me.”

[Ozyhibby]

I wonder if there’d be a point where Trump would create a scenario when he pulled out of the running to save face? “Oh, we’d have won by a landslide. Everybody says so. It’d have been the bigliest victory ever. Believe me.”

He needs that pardon power right up to the last second. He could never walk away.


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[CloudSquall]

From the basic reading I've done it was around this time that Clinton's lead started to crumble in the polls, hard to see a Trump win given that Biden's lead is holding strong.

Can never discount the Trump base, but it's hard to see anything but a strong Biden victory.

[Mibbes Aye]

Mibbes aye...


Seriously, is that who it is? 🤣

I had to lose some serious weight to get in those dresses. And I don't miss shaving my legs.

And don't get me started on having to learn Slovenian.

[Northernhibee]

He needs that pardon power right up to the last second. He could never walk away.


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Would he do a deal where he denounces the Proud Boys and other white supremacist groups who are spoiling for a civil war, doesn’t contest the election and gets a pardon?

I doubt it personally but wonder if his vanity would see him avoid a trouncing?

[Ozyhibby]

Would he do a deal where he denounces the Proud Boys and other white supremacist groups who are spoiling for a civil war, doesn’t contest the election and gets a pardon?

I doubt it personally but wonder if his vanity would see him avoid a trouncing?

I doubt he believes it is actually happening. I think he probably thinks he will still win.


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[Hibs Class]

I doubt he believes it is actually happening. I think he probably thinks he will still win.


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:agree: It’s what narcissists do

[Future17]

He needs that pardon power right up to the last second. He could never walk away.

It wouldn't matter if he pulled out of the running, the election would still proceed and, irrespective, he'd retain pardon power until he ceased to be President in January.


Would he do a deal where he denounces the Proud Boys and other white supremacist groups who are spoiling for a civil war, doesn’t contest the election and gets a pardon?

I doubt it personally but wonder if his vanity would see him avoid a trouncing?

It's increasingly accepted that he could pardon himself; he wouldn't need to do any deals.

[lapsedhibee]

It's increasingly accepted that he could pardon himself

What a farce the USA is.

[Ozyhibby]

It wouldn't matter if he pulled out of the running, the election would still proceed and, irrespective, he'd retain pardon power until he ceased to be President in January.



It's increasingly accepted that he could pardon himself; he wouldn't need to do any deals.

Wouldn’t he have to admit to wrong doing in order to pardon himself? That would be very difficult for him. I doubt he knows how much evidence of wrong doing that prosecutors are now sitting on.


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[ballengeich]

Wouldn’t he have to admit to wrong doing in order to pardon himself? That would be very difficult for him. I doubt he knows how much evidence of wrong doing that prosecutors are now sitting on.


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What we're talking about isn't a pardon, which would be for an existing conviction, but indemnity against future prosecution. I don't know whether he has that power, but if he does he could present it to his supporters as action against his enemies who he'd portray as about to act out of malice rather than in line with the law.

[CropleyWasGod]

What we're talking about isn't a pardon, which would be for an existing conviction, but indemnity against future prosecution. I don't know whether he has that power, but if he does he could present it to his supporters as action against his enemies who he'd portray as about to act out of malice rather than in line with the law.

On the similar issue of Ford and Nixon, this from Bob Woodward, via Wiki.:-

After Ford left the White House in 1977, he privately justified his pardon of Nixon by carrying in his wallet a portion of the text of Burdick v. United States, a 1915 U.S. Supreme Court decision that suggested that a pardon carries an imputation of guilt and that its acceptance carries a confession of guilt.

[lapsedhibee]

After Ford left the White House in 1977, he privately justified his pardon of Nixon by carrying in his wallet a portion of the text of Burdick v. United States, a 1915 U.S. Supreme Court decision that suggested that a pardon carries an imputation of guilt and that its acceptance carries a confession of guilt.

Interesting. Trump for sure would present any pardon as exoneration, and his nutterbase would believe that.

[matty_f]

I still can't get my head around how Biden ended up as the best possible person to go up against Trump. Surely there was a better, more electable candidate than Biden?

[stantonhibby]

I still can't get my head around how Biden ended up as the best possible person to go up against Trump. Surely there was a better, more electable candidate than Biden?

Yep......nothing against Biden and I really hope he wins but surely a younger more dynamic candidate was possible. At the start there about 50 likely candidates but they all fell away for whatever reason. Funding?

[Hibrandenburg]

I still can't get my head around how Biden ended up as the best possible person to go up against Trump. Surely there was a better, more electable candidate than Biden?

Same here, 20 years ago maybe, but all I see now is a dithering old man who might not see out his term of office.

[Keith_M]

I still can't get my head around how Biden ended up as the best possible person to go up against Trump. Surely there was a better, more electable candidate than Biden?


Totally agree.


If Biden wins, I wouldn't be surprised if Harris has to take over at some point.

[Ozyhibby]

Totally agree.


If Biden wins, I wouldn't be surprised if Harris has to take over at some point.

Almost certain that Harris takes over.
There were better candidates there. O’rourke looked good but he messed up his campaign by waiting too long to announce and not going harder on fundraising.


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[neil7908]

I still can't get my head around how Biden ended up as the best possible person to go up against Trump. Surely there was a better, more electable candidate than Biden?

Agreed. He's the only sane choice but a very uninspiring candidate. Hilary Clinton was streets ahead of him imo.

I think Democrats went with a middle of the road, safe option with the understanding that their game was going to be anti Trump rather than anything else.

I really like Harris and think she could do a lot of good. I also don't think Biden will cling to power - he'll give it up when its right to do so.

[neil7908]

Agreed. He's the only sane choice but a very uninspiring candidate. Hilary Clinton was streets ahead of him imo.

I think Democrats went with a middle of the road, safe option with the understanding that their game was going to be anti Trump rather than anything else.

I really like Harris and think she could do a lot of good. I also don't think Biden will cling to power - he'll give it up when its right to do so.

To expand on this, I also think they got burned by Clinton and, sad as this is, felt that the best way to take voters off Trump was to go with an older white, straight, centrist man. Biden is still labeled as a communist but I think it's a harder stick on the him to suggest he's radical, anti religion etc than others in the Democrat party.

[Future17]

Wouldn’t he have to admit to wrong doing in order to pardon himself? That would be very difficult for him. I doubt he knows how much evidence of wrong doing that prosecutors are now sitting on.

Nope, there's no requirement to admit anything in order to receive a pardon.


What we're talking about isn't a pardon, which would be for an existing conviction, but indemnity against future prosecution. I don't know whether he has that power, but if he does he could present it to his supporters as action against his enemies who he'd portray as about to act out of malice rather than in line with the law.

It would still be a pardon. Pardons don't have to be for existing convictions.

[Hibs Class]

I still can't get my head around how Biden ended up as the best possible person to go up against Trump. Surely there was a better, more electable candidate than Biden?

Possible also that some of the younger potential candidates felt it better to bide their time now, rather than risk stepping into the role with a raging pandemic and America more polarised than it has been for decades?

[Ozyhibby]

Possible also that some of the younger potential candidates felt it better to bide their time now, rather than risk stepping into the role with a raging pandemic and America more polarised than it has been for decades?

Pandemic wasn’t a factor at start of primaries. There were lots of candidates but no stand outs. Biden had massive name recognition and that was enough.


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[Radium]

Hadn’t realised that there was the potential for Coney-Barrett to hand states the power to ignore the popular vote in the election. Not my area of expertise and seems ridiculous that it is even possible

https://www.vox.com/21525343/supreme-court-amy-coney-barrett-obamacare-pennsylvania-voting-rights-census-unions


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[Ozyhibby]

Hadn’t realised that there was the potential for Coney-Barrett to hand states the power to ignore the popular vote in the election. Not my area of expertise and seems ridiculous that it is even possible

https://www.vox.com/21525343/supreme-court-amy-coney-barrett-obamacare-pennsylvania-voting-rights-census-unions


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It won’t come to that. Biden will win in a landslide on Tuesday and republicans will shrink away from any nonsense while they start the recriminations that will follow in the post Trump era.


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[Ozyhibby]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=Jk7LPpY8pXM


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[Sylar]

Trump currently at a campaign rally in Lansing Michigan, referencing Joe Biden being assassinated and Kamala Harris taking over after 3 weeks...

This looney is beyond dangerous, as there's not a doubt his base are crazy enough to resort to violence in reaction to defeat - language like this fuels that possibility!

[NORTHERNHIBBY]

Heard a piece on Radio 4 earlier today with a reporter saying that Trump's only hope now to close the gap , is vote suppression. That's a terrifying thought.

[Hibbyradge]

Trump currently at a campaign rally in Lansing Michigan, referencing Joe Biden being assassinated and Kamala Harris taking over after 3 weeks...

This looney is beyond dangerous, as there's not a doubt his base are crazy enough to resort to violence in reaction to defeat - language like this fuels that possibility!

That really is outrageous.

[calumhibee1]

Trump currently at a campaign rally in Lansing Michigan, referencing Joe Biden being assassinated and Kamala Harris taking over after 3 weeks...

This looney is beyond dangerous, as there's not a doubt his base are crazy enough to resort to violence in reaction to defeat - language like this fuels that possibility!

Is this the bit where he says 3 weeks in, Joe is shot? If so then it sounded to me like more of a suggestion that Joe Biden would be mentally shot. Not shot by somebody. A bit like saying Dylan McGeouch’s groin is shot because he can’t stop injuring it.

The guys a tool and should probably think twice before using that term in the USA but I’m not quite sure that’s what he was suggesting.

[Sylar]

Is this the bit where he says 3 weeks in, Joe is shot? If so then it sounded to me like more of a suggestion that Joe Biden would be mentally shot. Not shot by somebody. A bit like saying Dylan McGeouch’s groin is shot because he can’t stop injuring it.

The guys a tool and should probably think twice before using that term in the USA but I’m not quite sure that’s what he was suggesting.

Possible - I guess I'm just not willing to give him the benefit of any doubt - I certainly interpreted it as something more sinister, but you may well be correct.

The ambiuity of such a term in the US is pretty dangerous either way.

[calumhibee1]

Possible - I guess I'm just not willing to give him the benefit of any doubt - I certainly interpreted it as something more sinister, but you may well be correct.

The ambiuity of such a term in the US is pretty dangerous either way.

Agree 100% with your last sentence. A stupid thing to say in the US regardless of what you meant by it.

[SHODAN]

If Joe Biden wins, and takes the Senate as well, he and his pals better do some serious ****ing reform of the US political system so that someone like Trump won't abuse it again, because he's demonstrated that it absolutely can - and will - be done.

What they'll likely do, however, is sit on their hands and talk about "compromise" and "coming together, not division" and pander to fascists as the Dems tend to do.

[Smartie]

If Joe Biden wins, and takes the Senate as well, he and his pals better do some serious ****ing reform of the US political system so that someone like Trump won't abuse it again, because he's demonstrated that it absolutely can - and will - be done.

What they'll likely do, however, is sit on their hands and talk about "compromise" and "coming together, not division" and pander to fascists as the Dems tend to do.

Is it not the ability to compromise or come together that makes the Dems (or anyone else for that matter) better than Trump?

I don’t think you fight fire with fire with Trump - that’s lowering yourself to his level. I think you stand for something different and let people make up their own minds.

[Keith_M]

Nope, there's no requirement to admit anything in order to receive a pardon.



It would still be a pardon. Pardons don't have to be for existing convictions.


But can a serving president give themselves a pardon against any future legal action without having to specify what the accusation would be?

e.g. "I hereby pardon myself of anything I'm ever accused of after I lose the Presidency"

[hibsbollah]

Heard a piece on Radio 4 earlier today with a reporter saying that Trump's only hope now to close the gap , is vote suppression. That's a terrifying thought.

The Republicans have been doing voter suppression for years, literally tens of millions disappearing from the rolls in mostly black neighborhoods. Nothing new sadly.

[Ozyhibby]

But can a serving president give themselves a pardon against any future legal action without having to specify what the accusation would be?

e.g. "I hereby pardon myself of anything I'm ever accused of after I lose the Presidency"

It’s open to interpretation. Some, like Bill Barr, think that the presidents power is absolute, others don’t. We are about to find out.
I seriously doubt he does jail time but the collapse of the Trump organisation is likely I think under the weight of multiple investigations.


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[Hibrandenburg]

If Joe Biden wins, and takes the Senate as well, he and his pals better do some serious ****ing reform of the US political system so that someone like Trump won't abuse it again, because he's demonstrated that it absolutely can - and will - be done.

What they'll likely do, however, is sit on their hands and talk about "compromise" and "coming together, not division" and pander to fascists as the Dems tend to do.

They'd have a difficult job changing anything if the supreme court is loaded with conservatives.

[Killiehibbie]

The Republicans have been doing voter suppression for years, literally tens of millions disappearing from the rolls in mostly black neighborhoods. Nothing new sadly.

Some of the tactics used are unbelievable. Ever since the 15th amendment was introduced they've looked for ways to deny it.

[Bristolhibby]

They'd have a difficult job changing anything if the supreme court is loaded with conservatives.

The simple one for me, that may well get traction is give say 18 year terms for JOTSC.

That would mean two retiring straight away and one in the life of the next President.

Then we won’t have almost 90 year old cancer sufferers having undue pressure heaped upon them.

J

[SHODAN]

The simple one for me, that may well get traction is give say 18 year terms for JOTSC.

That would mean two retiring straight away and one in the life of the next President.

Then we won’t have almost 90 year old cancer sufferers having undue pressure heaped upon them.

J

They can also expand it.

Or even better, make it apolitical with the judges appointing new nominees themselves. But I'm sure that'll never take off. :rolleyes:

[One Day Soon]

It’s open to interpretation. Some, like Bill Barr, think that the presidents power is absolute, others don’t. We are about to find out.
I seriously doubt he does jail time but the collapse of the Trump organisation is likely I think under the weight of multiple investigations.


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I agree. Trump inc. is likely completely ****ed.

His problem is that he is facing charges from before his Presidency and during it. In order to do what he may need to do after his Presidency to try to protect himself he would likely need to commit further post-Presidential crimes. So any pardon would need to cover all eventualities and that is a very long stretch indeed.

What complicates this a lot further for him is the extent to which criminal charges are likely to be laid not just against him but also against many of his associates and most if not all of his family: the sons, the daughter and the son in law.

I think he is too stupid and too vain to see what he needs from Biden, I don't think he can absolve himself from prosecution and conviction and I think the multiplicity of his crimes and the extent to which they are being investigated by a mosaic of agencies and jurisdictions makes controlling the fallout almost impossible.

With any luck the republicans will be stupid enough to try to either defend him (unlikely) or to bid to have it all closed down and forgiven and forgotten. If they go for that it will hang like a millstone around their necks for years. Once blue collar flips on Trump it will be very, very ugly for everyone associated with him.

Winning the Presidency could well turn out to be the biggest mistake of his life.

[Keith_M]

It’s open to interpretation. Some, like Bill Barr, think that the presidents power is absolute, others don’t. We are about to find out.
I seriously doubt he does jail time but the collapse of the Trump organisation is likely I think under the weight of multiple investigations.
...


Yep, the US system is currently being shown up for what it actually is, not what the Americans like to think it is.

The separation of the Executive, Legislative and Judiciary powers is a fallacy

[Ozyhibby]

Yep, the US system is currently being show up for what it actually is, not what the Americans like to think it is.

The separation of the Executive, Legislative and Judiciary powers is a fallacy

They are the only country in the world that constantly talks about their constitution and how great it is and yet 230 years later they are still arguing over what it says and what it means.


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[RyeSloan]

I agree. Trump inc. is likely completely ****ed.

His problem is that he is facing charges from before his Presidency and during it. In order to do what he may need to do after his Presidency to try to protect himself he would likely need to commit further post-Presidential crimes. So any pardon would need to cover all eventualities and that is a very long stretch indeed.

What complicates this a lot further for him is the extent to which criminal charges are likely to be laid not just against him but also against many of his associates and most if not all of his family: the sons, the daughter and the son in law.

I think he is too stupid and too vain to see what he needs from Biden, I don't think he can absolve himself from prosecution and conviction and I think the multiplicity of his crimes and the extent to which they are being investigated by a mosaic of agencies and jurisdictions makes controlling the fallout almost impossible.

With any luck the republicans will be stupid enough to try to either defend him (unlikely) or to bid to have it all closed down and forgiven and forgotten. If they go for that it will hang like a millstone around their necks for years. Once blue collar flips on Trump it will be very, very ugly for everyone associated with him.

Winning the Presidency could well turn out to be the biggest mistake of his life.

On your last statement I can’t see how he mustn’t privately already think this every morning of his life.

He had it all yet wanted more but along with that has came a whole tsunami of crap.

The litigation machine is only just starting up against him, his family and his businesses....he’s going to spend the rest of his days mired in ****.

Shame.

[lucky]

When Biden wins and the democrats take the senate I fully expect Trump and his cronies to be fully exposed and Id expect some of them to face criminal charges over their behaviour and how they’ve conducted business

[lapsedhibee]

I agree. Trump inc. is likely completely ****ed.

His problem is that he is facing charges from before his Presidency and during it. In order to do what he may need to do after his Presidency to try to protect himself he would likely need to commit further post-Presidential crimes. So any pardon would need to cover all eventualities and that is a very long stretch indeed.

What complicates this a lot further for him is the extent to which criminal charges are likely to be laid not just against him but also against many of his associates and most if not all of his family: the sons, the daughter and the son in law.

I think he is too stupid and too vain to see what he needs from Biden, I don't think he can absolve himself from prosecution and conviction and I think the multiplicity of his crimes and the extent to which they are being investigated by a mosaic of agencies and jurisdictions makes controlling the fallout almost impossible.

With any luck the republicans will be stupid enough to try to either defend him (unlikely) or to bid to have it all closed down and forgiven and forgotten. If they go for that it will hang like a millstone around their necks for years. Once blue collar flips on Trump it will be very, very ugly for everyone associated with him.

Winning the Presidency could well turn out to be the biggest mistake of his life.

Cocklewarming post.

[JeMeSouviens]

They are the only country in the world that constantly talks about their constitution and how great it is and yet 230 years later they are still arguing over what it says and what it means.


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It's a lot better than the UK's, which basically only has one rule - if you have a majority* at Westminster you can absolutely do wtf you want.



* achievable on 40% of the vote!

[Since90+2]

If Biden wins is there any chance be could pardon Trump? Done on the proviso that he wants to heal the nation and move on (whilst appeasing Trump's more dangerous fanatics).

Very unlikely I'd imagine but you never know.

[Ozyhibby]

If Biden wins is there any chance be could pardon Trump? Done on the proviso that he wants to heal the nation and move on (whilst appeasing Trump's more dangerous fanatics).

Very unlikely I'd imagine but you never know.

It would make him a very unpopular president from day one with his own supporters. It would be a very dumb move to make.


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[One Day Soon]

If Biden wins is there any chance be could pardon Trump? Done on the proviso that he wants to heal the nation and move on (whilst appeasing Trump's more dangerous fanatics).

Very unlikely I'd imagine but you never know.

He COULD take that view I suppose but four things militate strongly against it.

1. What is likely to be a Democratic controlled Congress has more than had enough of Trump's **** and will want payback.
2. What is almost certain to be a one-term President Biden does not need to curry electoral favour for a second term.
3. Trump has spent a lot of his Presidency trash talking and policy wrecking the achievements of the Obama administrations in which Biden served as VP.
4. Even if Biden wanted to try to hold back the tide the investigations, agencies and jurisdictions involved are so many and so widespread that it would be almost impossible to do so.

Incidentally, one little discussed potentially very, very large upside to Biden's perceived age-related weakness is that one term/two term thing. If he is going for just one term he may end up being a lot more radical and challenging for republicans and their pet orthodoxies in that single term than expected. Again, bending over for Trump may - when he falls - turn into a disaster movie for those on the right.

[CropleyWasGod]

It would make him a very unpopular president from day one with his own supporters. It would be a very dumb move to make.


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Ford's pardon of Nixon probably prevented him from being elected in 76.

[Ozyhibby]

Also the president can only pardon federal crimes. Trump faces lots of state level investigations as well.


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[Kato]

Also the president can only pardon federal crimes. Trump faces lots of state level investigations as well.


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkI thought most of the investigations had been assigned at state level.

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[One Day Soon]

Ford's pardon of Nixon probably prevented him from being elected in 76.

There is a kind of club and clubablity between former presidents. Trump, very noticeably, has eschewed being in it and has been fairly openly shunned by his predecessors. I think they regard him as illegitimate and demeaning to the office and their own legacies. They appear not to see him as one of their own, I doubt Biden will want to damage his own reputation by helping him.

[BroxburnHibee]

He might look for a pardon as a payoff for not contesting the result if he loses.

Better that than a lengthy court battle.

[Ozyhibby]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20201028/5b84ebae1757f1a2edf5d76f3fdc1185.jpg


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[Mon Dieu4]

The fact that Twitter and other social media are banning anyone for posting things about the Hunter Biden emails including the New York Post show its not just foreign enemies trying to fix elections

We really are in scary times when it comes to elections and democracy

[Ozyhibby]

The fact that Twitter and other social media are banning anyone for posting things about the Hunter Biden emails including the New York Post show its not just foreign enemies trying to fix elections

We really are in scary times when it comes to elections and democracy

They are not public spaces. If you go into a bar and start talking about things the landlord doesn’t like he can ask you to leave.


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[Mon Dieu4]

They are not public spaces. If you go into a bar and start talking about things the landlord doesn’t like he can ask you to leave.


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Talking in a bar isn't going to directly effect 300m people's lives, I get what you are saying, they are private companies, but they are private companies with the power to change the future of the world and as such they should be treated as public spaces

[bawheid]

Talking in a bar isn't going to directly effect 300m people's lives, I get what you are saying, they are private companies, but they are private companies with the power to change the future of the world and as such they should be treated as public spaces

They should either be heavily regulated or shut down.

[Ozyhibby]

They should either be heavily regulated or shut down.

Censorship on social media is the norm though. You say anything anti Hibs on here and see how long you last.


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[calumhibee1]

Talking in a bar isn't going to directly effect 300m people's lives, I get what you are saying, they are private companies, but they are private companies with the power to change the future of the world and as such they should be treated as public spaces

:agree:

[Kato]

Talking in a bar isn't going to directly effect 300m people's lives, I get what you are saying, they are private companies, but they are private companies with the power to change the future of the world and as such they should be treated as public spacesDont agree with that at all.

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[jonty]

The fact that Twitter and other social media are banning anyone for posting things about the Hunter Biden emails including the New York Post show its not just foreign enemies trying to fix elections

We really are in scary times when it comes to elections and democracy

do you know why they have 'banned' them?

[jonty]

https://twitter.com/TwitterSafety/
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/facebook-and-twitter-took-drastic-measures-to-limit-the-reach-of-a-new-york-post-story-about-hunter-biden/ar-BB1a205x


So after demanding fact checking, when content is pulled, its suddenly a conspiracy.
Arguably the story got more coverage than it would have had originally.

[Mon Dieu4]

https://twitter.com/TwitterSafety/
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/facebook-and-twitter-took-drastic-measures-to-limit-the-reach-of-a-new-york-post-story-about-hunter-biden/ar-BB1a205x


So after demanding fact checking, when content is pulled, its suddenly a conspiracy.
Arguably the story got more coverage than it would have had originally.

No conspiracy theory from me, it's pretty self eveident what they are up to, I'm sure their "fact checking" will be complete after the election, shame the don't fact check Isis, white supremacists and other mental stuff that goes on their platforms

For the record, I cannot stand Trump, I want Biden to win even though I think he's a bad choice, but I do think elections should be run on an even footing

[lapsedhibee]

Trump backed by the most powerful man in Europe:
https://twitter.com/i/status/1321738581040418818

[SHODAN]

Talking in a bar isn't going to directly effect 300m people's lives, I get what you are saying, they are private companies, but they are private companies with the power to change the future of the world and as such they should be treated as public spaces

You either have freedom of speech and give private companies freedom to do what they want, or regulate both (which FYI is what I think should be done). It doesn't work both ways.

[Keith_M]

The fact that Twitter and other social media are banning anyone for posting things about the Hunter Biden emails including the New York Post show its not just foreign enemies trying to fix elections

We really are in scary times when it comes to elections and democracy


I get your point but the Trump campaign appear to be spinning a narrative with this 'story', much of which is blatantly untrue.

Incidentally, Rudi Giuliani was being interviewed this week and nearly had a meltdown when the interviewer (on Fox News) dared to question some of the so-called facts in the Biden story.

[Keith_M]

Trump backed by the most powerful man in Europe:
https://twitter.com/i/status/1321738581040418818


I can't view that.

Any chance of posting some of the text?

[jonty]

I can't view that.

Any chance of posting some of the text?

meh. its embedded video

[lapsedhibee]

I can't view that.

Any chance of posting some of the text?

That link's a vid. Farage did really say Trump's the bravest man he's ever met though.

[One Day Soon]

That link's a vid. Farage did really say Trump's the bravest man he's ever met though.

He's so far up Trump's arse his trouser belt is Trump's sphincter.

[hibeedc]

https://twitter.com/TwitterSafety/
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/facebook-and-twitter-took-drastic-measures-to-limit-the-reach-of-a-new-york-post-story-about-hunter-biden/ar-BB1a205x


So after demanding fact checking, when content is pulled, its suddenly a conspiracy.
Arguably the story got more coverage than it would have had originally.

Where's the demanding fact checking ?

[jonty]

Where's the demanding fact checking ?

You don't want social media to be responsible for content and fact checking?
They've been hauled up in front of governments for their content and lack of moderation.

[jonty]

Censorship on social media is the norm though. You say anything anti Hibs on here and see how long you last.


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How else would we get our large commission from Hibs? There's good reason that none of the long-term posters on this site are relentlessly negative and critical... Oh wait.

[McD]

As an alternative to a question thats been asked and discussed:

If Trump is able to and does issue himself a pardon before he leaves office, can Biden (assuming he wins the election), issue a counter decree that nulls Trump's pardon?

[Bristolhibby]

Tucker Carlson from Fox read the “explosive” evidence against Hunter Biden.

But he put it in the post to LA and the “evidence “ has gone missing.

The spin here is it going missing is the conspiracy, not the fact that he’s just made up the “evidence”.

J

[McSwanky]

Tucker Carlson from Fox read the “explosive” evidence against Hunter Biden.

But he put it in the post to LA and the “evidence “ has gone missing.

The spin here is it going missing is the conspiracy, not the fact that he’s just made up the “evidence”.

JBrilliant. Sums up the world just now. He had evidence of a massive, career making, story. So what did he do? He put it in the post.

The phrase "you couldn't make it up" really doesn't work any more, does it?

[Hibs Class]

That link's a vid. Farage did really say Trump's the bravest man he's ever met though.

Farage, famed for railing against foreign actors interfering in domestic politics, sharing a campaign stage with Trump without any sense of irony? Probably just so he could listen to Trump introducing him as one of the most powerful men in Europe.

[One Day Soon]

Tucker Carlson from Fox read the “explosive” evidence against Hunter Biden.

But he put it in the post to LA and the “evidence “ has gone missing.

The spin here is it going missing is the conspiracy, not the fact that he’s just made up the “evidence”.

J


Does Tucker Carlson do a side line in giant planning applications, castle view lounges and world cup signings by any chance?

He must be the first journalist in history to receive concrete evidence of a massive story and then stick it in the post to someone else.

[Ozyhibby]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20201029/22ad229d2b63a93ee1abbe610bc35031.jpg

Struggling to see how this can be good for an unpopular incumbent? I think Biden is going to win in a landslide where he takes Florida and Texas.


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[lapsedhibee]

Does Tucker Carlson do a side line in giant planning applications, castle view lounges and world cup signings by any chance?

He must be the first journalist in history to receive concrete evidence of a massive story and then stick it in the post to someone else.

Trump :loser: would have been re-elected if it wasn't for the lamestream media's incompetence. Fox possibly even conspired to lose the thing, just to bring the :loser: down.

[jonty]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20201029/22ad229d2b63a93ee1abbe610bc35031.jpg

Struggling to see how this can be good for an unpopular incumbent? I think Biden is going to win in a landslide where he takes Florida and Texas.


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Wasnt it quite a low turnout in 2016 though?
I hope its a high turnout and people make the most of their vote.

(leading to Biden winning by a landslide and Trump humiliated)


And to think, when Trump was elected I hoped that running America as a business might work. Failing to realise he was a ***** business man and an even ****tier human being.
He's just a corrupt bawbag.

[Brunswickbill]

Do you think that the Democrats in a presidential election versus Trump have a similar mindset to Hibbies playing against Hertz in the cup. No matter what logical examination of form and quality reveals, we both have a latent pessimism that something will go horribly wrong.

[Hibbyradge]

Do you think that the Democrats in a presidential election versus Trump have a similar mindset to Hibbies playing against Hertz in the cup. No matter what logical examination of form and quality reveals, we both have a latent pessimism that something will go horribly wrong.

It's incredible that Trump won in 2016 and there's nothing he wouldn't stoop to in order to retain power. With that as the background and the fact that it's so vital that they get rid of him this time, it's no wonder that nerves are jangling.

I used to take it for granted that we'd beat hearts, but from the 80s on, that optimism has been steadily hammered out of me.

[Ozyhibby]

80 million people have now already voted. Only 120 million voted in total in 2016.
17.5 million of the people who have voted did not vote in 2016. Has to be good for Biden.


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[Ozyhibby]

https://projects.economist.com/us-2020-forecast/president

96%


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[hibeedc]

Tucker Carlson from Fox read the “explosive” evidence against Hunter Biden.

But he put it in the post to LA and the “evidence “ has gone missing.

The spin here is it going missing is the conspiracy, not the fact that he’s just made up the “evidence”.

J
Evidence that had gone missing has been found.

[Hibs Class]

Evidence that had gone missing has been found.

UPS had disclosed it has found missing documents. No corroboration that any documents constitute evidence.

[Callum_62]

Evidence that had gone missing has been found.You really think if you have explosive evidence you chuck it in the post?

That's laughable

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[CloudSquall]

Trump supporters seem to be looking to the party affiliation of those early voters which seems to show more registered Republicans voting than Democrats in the key states, however this doesn't actually mean they have voted for their respective party's candidate of course.

[RyeSloan]

You really think if you have explosive evidence you chuck it in the post?

That's laughable

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The one and only copy of the evidence as well!

If only the world have invented a duplicating machine or something rumoured to be called a photograph then he would have been able to create a second version of this devastating material to mitigate against the risk of loss in transit.

[Callum_62]

The one and only copy of the evidence as well!

If only the world have invented a duplicating machine or something rumoured to be called a photograph then he would have been able to create a second version of this devastating material to mitigate against the risk of loss in transit.Covfefe

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[Mibbes Aye]

The one and only copy of the evidence as well!

If only the world have invented a duplicating machine or something rumoured to be called a photograph then he would have been able to create a second version of this devastating material to mitigate against the risk of loss in transit.

That sounds like some sort of sorcery or witchcraft to me!!!

The devil’s work, I tell you!

[JimBHibees]

Does Tucker Carlson do a side line in giant planning applications, castle view lounges and world cup signings by any chance?

He must be the first journalist in history to receive concrete evidence of a massive story and then stick it in the post to someone else.

Brilliant he has an explosive story and sends it via post. Completely fabricated :agree:

[PeeJay]

Does Tucker Carlson do a side line in giant planning applications, castle view lounges and world cup signings by any chance?

He must be the first journalist in history to receive concrete evidence of a massive story and then stick it in the post to someone else.

Except he didn't "receive" the "concrete evidence" did he? He was in LA - he asked for the "story" to be sent from New York where it was handed-in to LA - to him. It was duly despatched through UPS who apparently "lost it"?

No problem with people criticising "journalists" for doing and saying/writing dumb things, but at least get your story right - he didn't do what you claim and forwarding "vital" documents by parcel delivery or the mail service is a perfectly normal thing to do in the real world.

"On Monday we received from a source a collection of confidential documents related to the Biden family. We believe those documents are authentic, they’re real, and they’re damning … We texted a producer in New York and we asked him to send those documents to us in LA … He shipped those documents overnight to California with a large national carrier brand … But the Biden documents never arrived in Los Angeles. Tuesday morning we received word from the shipping company that our package had been opened and the contents were missing. The documents had disappeared"

[lapsedhibee]

Except he didn't "receive" the "concrete evidence" did he? He was in LA - he asked for the "story" to be sent from New York where it was handed-in to LA - to him. It was duly despatched through UPS who apparently "lost it"?

No problem with people criticising "journalists" for doing and saying/writing dumb things, but at least get your story right - he didn't do what you claim and forwarding "vital" documents by parcel delivery or the mail service is a perfectly normal thing to do in the real world.

"On Monday we received from a source a collection of confidential documents related to the Biden family. We believe those documents are authentic, they’re real, and they’re damning … We texted a producer in New York and we asked him to send those documents to us in LA … He shipped those documents overnight to California with a large national carrier brand … But the Biden documents never arrived in Los Angeles. Tuesday morning we received word from the shipping company that our package had been opened and the contents were missing. The documents had disappeared"

You don't think it odd that they were sent without taking a back-up? :dunno:

[PeeJay]

You don't think it odd that they were sent without taking a back-up? :dunno:

Sure - no argument with that, the whole thing seems strange to me, although probably not for a Fox News (sic) employee!

Just think any posted criticism should be based on what was actually said and done, not something that wasn't said and done ...

[hibsbollah]

Some dramatic and sustained poll numbers for Biden with 6 days to go. Average 9.5% Biden lead average across the polls. Women, the most reliable voters, going with Biden by a massive 25 points. Huge turnout already, including many first time voters.

The only thing that can save Trump now is some sort of Election Day chaos, whether it be civil unrest voter suppression or judicial challenge.

[lord bunberry]

Does anyone think Trump will try and continue as some kind of unofficial president backed by his fanatical followers. If there’s chaos on Election Day and he loses, he might even claim to be the legitimate president even though Biden is in the White House.

[lapsedhibee]

Does anyone think Trump will try and continue as some kind of unofficial president backed by his fanatical followers. If there’s chaos on Election Day and he loses, he might even claim to be the legitimate president even though Biden is in the White House.

Probably all depends on the margin of any defeat. Voter suppression on the day might be harder now that so many have already voted, and the offputtingly ridiculous queues that some voters would normally have to stand in should be shorter. Running the gauntlet of machinegun-toting banjoists might still be an issue.

[Northernhibee]

Does anyone think Trump will try and continue as some kind of unofficial president backed by his fanatical followers. If there’s chaos on Election Day and he loses, he might even claim to be the legitimate president even though Biden is in the White House.

He’s turned the White House into a WWE storyline already so wouldn’t count it out.

[Callum_62]

Couldn't they have just sent it via telegram, or I dunno email or heaven forbid fax

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[lucky]

The Trump campaign and rally’s reminds me of Corbyn’s in 2017 and the Yes campaign in 2014. Lots of noise and great turnout at events but eventually both lost but did better than expected. I’m hoping for a Biden landslide but think it might be a bit closer than we are expecting.

[lord bunberry]

Probably all depends on the margin of any defeat. Voter suppression on the day might be harder now that so many have already voted, and the offputtingly ridiculous queues that some voters would normally have to stand in should be shorter. Running the gauntlet of machinegun-toting banjoists might still be an issue.
The guys a complete narcissist, admittedly that doesn’t make him unique amongst his contemporaries, but he has a huge well armed following behind him.

[lord bunberry]

He’s turned the White House into a WWE storyline already so wouldn’t count it out.
Maybe they’ll decide it with a royal rumble :greengrin

[Moulin Yarns]

Does anyone think Trump will try and continue as some kind of unofficial president backed by his fanatical followers. If there’s chaos on Election Day and he loses, he might even claim to be the legitimate president even though Biden is in the White House.

I'm imagining something like the first episode of Designated Survivor will be needed for trump to remain in office.

[neil7908]

Probably all depends on the margin of any defeat. Voter suppression on the day might be harder now that so many have already voted, and the offputtingly ridiculous queues that some voters would normally have to stand in should be shorter. Running the gauntlet of machinegun-toting banjoists might still be an issue.

I think it will all depend on not just the margin of his defeat but what the Republicans do. If they continue to back him and retain control of the Senate they it will be trouble.

If Biden wins a big victory and the Democrats take the Senate and control Congress I think the Republicans will drop him and begin to move towards a post Trump world.

[Northernhibee]

What concerns me with yesterday is when Nigel Farage is involved the words “Russia Report” flash up in my mind (goodness knows why) and that makes me think that Trump might still get in.

[Northernhibee]

Trump now claiming at a rally that doctors are incorrectly and essentially fraudilently filing death causes on certificates as Covid just to get an extra $2k.

You know something? At least he has the balls to be openly anti science and anti doctors, unlike the shower of *******s we have in our Westminster governments who film themselves applauding the NHS one minute and voting against pay rises the other, cutting NHS services and doing deals behind closed doors whilst pretending to be anything other than anti-NHS, anti-science, anti-doctor parasites.

I hate Trump, and I hate the Tories that little bit more.

[BroxburnHibee]

Trump supporters managed to get a Biden rally in Texas cancelled.

Straight out the Hitler handbook that.

[Moulin Yarns]

Trump supporters managed to get a Biden rally in Texas cancelled.

Straight out the Hitler handbook that.

They have been a bit like the 'A Force For Good' bunch led by Manky Jaiket that turns up at the AUOB marches, but with guns.

[Hibernia&Alba]

Trump supporters managed to get a Biden rally in Texas cancelled.

Straight out the Hitler handbook that.


https://youtu.be/wUVgDsE--J0

[Callum_62]

Trump supporters managed to get a Biden rally in Texas cancelled.

Straight out the Hitler handbook that. Just good patriots

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[CropleyWasGod]

For balance :greengrin

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JoF7sck44N0

If it weren't for Trump, would you actually want people to vote for this guy?

A nation of 330m people, and this is the best they can come up with.....

[hibeedc]

For balance :greengrin

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JoF7sck44N0

If it weren't for Trump, would you actually want people to vote for this guy?

A nation of 330m people, and this is the best they can come up with.....

I wouldn't vote for this guy, one of many reasons not to vote Democrat, but I think the Republicans will win comfortably.

[CropleyWasGod]

I wouldn't vote for this guy, one of many reasons not to vote Democrat, but I think the Republicans will win comfortably.

... despite what the polls are saying?

You used the plural. Does that include Congress as well?

[cabbageandribs1875]

i wonder what dastardly deeds trump will get up to before leaving office, probably pardons for lots of nawty crooks as well.

it 's a pity old joe will be replacing him, little crooked hunter must be rubbing his hands with glee at all the new business doors that will open for him.

i think Harris will be president within 12 months

[Ozyhibby]

I wouldn't vote for this guy, one of many reasons not to vote Democrat, but I think the Republicans will win comfortably.

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[One Day Soon]

I wouldn't vote for this guy, one of many reasons not to vote Democrat, but I think the Republicans will win comfortably.

I’d vote for Joe Frazier, Joe 90 or Joe Pesci to be president before I’d vote for that utter cock Trump. So Joe Biden would be a painless choice to prevent the USA’s further slide into corrupt kleptocracy dressed up as democracy.

[Tobias Funke]

I wouldn't vote for this guy, one of many reasons not to vote Democrat, but I think the Republicans will win comfortably.

I’ll crack the funnies mate :aok:

[Tobias Funke]

For balance :greengrin

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JoF7sck44N0

If it weren't for Trump, would you actually want people to vote for this guy?

A nation of 330m people, and this is the best they can come up with.....

I’d have hoped you’d share something with a bit of insight, not some right wing propaganda by a white supremacist donut like Carlson. The mans egregious beyond words.

Looking forward to him being running mate to Don Jnr in 2024...not!! :greengrin

[One Day Soon]

I’d have hoped you’d share something with a bit of insight, not some right wing propaganda by a white supremacist donut like Carlson. The mans egregious beyond words.

Looking forward to him being running mate to Don Jnr in 2024...not!! :greengrin

Don Jr is more likely to be preoccupied with getting a better fitting orange jump suit come 2024...

[CropleyWasGod]

I’d have hoped you’d share something with a bit of insight, not some right wing propaganda by a white supremacist donut like Carlson. The mans egregious beyond words.

Looking forward to him being running mate to Don Jnr in 2024...not!! :greengrin

I was making the point that, just as it was 4 years ago, the richest and most diverse country in the world has to choose which of its presidential candidates is least *****.

[calumhibee1]

So when are we expecting the result to come out? Possibly Wednesday at some point? Or do we think it’ll be that emphatic that it’ll be pretty much confirmed through the night?

[hibsbollah]

I see Farage is in Pennsylvania today, guest at the Trump rally.
Based on his repeated failure to ever be elected as a MP, Id have thought he'd be bad luck for the fascist orange mess.

[Ozyhibby]

So when are we expecting the result to come out? Possibly Wednesday at some point? Or do we think it’ll be that emphatic that it’ll be pretty much confirmed through the night?

Should know by about 3am Wednesday which way the wind is blowing. Will only take much longer if it’s very close.


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[Hibrandenburg]

I’d vote for Joe Frazier, Joe 90 or Joe Pesci to be president before I’d vote for that utter cock Trump. So Joe Biden would be a painless choice to prevent the USA’s further slide into corrupt kleptocracy dressed up as democracy.

Will it though? If Biden doesn't manage to persuade the electorate in 4 years that voting Trump was a huge mistake, then the next right wing nutjob may only be a few years away and the next candidate might make Trump look like a moderate.

[One Day Soon]

Will it though? If Biden doesn't manage to persuade the electorate in 4 years that voting Trump was a huge mistake, then the next right wing nutjob may only be a few years away and the next candidate might make Trump look like a moderate.

There’s a lot of ‘might’ in there but I take your point. Biden will be a one-termer though.

[Hibernia&Alba]

So when are we expecting the result to come out? Possibly Wednesday at some point? Or do we think it’ll be that emphatic that it’ll be pretty much confirmed through the night?

Unless it's a Biden landslide, it will take a couple of days to announce the results, due to the massive amount of postal voting in the pandemic. Over 90 million postal votes have already been cast.

In relation to the question of whether to support to Biden, I would do so in this election as a vote against authoritarianism and the drift to neo-fascism. I'm no fan of Biden or the mainstream Democratic Party, which is a right wing neoliberal party. Biden's voting record over 47 years in Congress is horrific: everything from continual banking deregulation to support for both Iraq wars; from racist/unjust penal policies to unconditional support for Israel. But this election is a binary choice between Biden and Trump, so I would vote Democrat. Trump is going to scream election fraud, so every vote which widens his margin of defeat will undermine his claim.

[Ozyhibby]

Unless it's a Biden landslide, it will take a couple of days to announce the results, due to the massive amount of postal voting in the pandemic. Over 90 million postal votes have already been cast.

In relation to the question of whether to support to Biden, I would do so in this election as a vote against authoritarianism and the drift to neo-fascism. I'm no fan of Biden or the mainstream Democratic Party, which is a right wing neoliberal party. Biden's voting record over 47 years in Congress is horrific: everything from continual banking deregulation to support for both Iraq wars; from racist/unjust penal policies to unconditional support for Israel. But this election is a binary choice between Biden and Trump, so I would vote Democrat. Trump is going to scream election fraud, so every vote which widens his margin of defeat will undermine his claim.

A lot of states are already counting their postal votes. How it’s going with them should give a good indication.


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[One Day Soon]

I’ve completely lost track now of when we are going to be able to get the first significant indications of what’s happening. Any suggestions on times? I’ve seen CNN recommended for best coverage.

[Hibernia&Alba]

I’ve completely lost track now of when we are going to be able to get the first significant indications of what’s happening. Any suggestions on times? I’ve seen CNN recommended for best coverage.

I think TV coverage will start in earnest from around 2 a.m. Wednesday our time. I think that's when the polls close on the U.S. east coast.

[Renfrew_Hibby]

Florida closes at 7pm (midnight for us) they are very well organised nowadays so we should be getting their result maybe 4 or 5am?
If Biden wins that one then it's good bye to The Donald, if Trump wins then it could be a long haul.

[lord bunberry]

I’ve completely lost track now of when we are going to be able to get the first significant indications of what’s happening. Any suggestions on times? I’ve seen CNN recommended for best coverage.
The bbc are doing an election special from 11 pm tonight.

[JeMeSouviens]

I think TV coverage will start in earnest from around 2 a.m. Wednesday our time. I think that's when the polls close on the U.S. east coast.

The US networks don't wait for official results (which can take days or weeks) but will declare results quickly ("called states") based on representative sampling of early returns. So the safe states on either side will be called quickly. The swing states will only be called if it's reasonably obvious who is going to win. They're a bit more cautious following 2000 when Florida was called for Gore, then retracted, then for Bush, then retracted again, then eventually ended up in court where Bush's brother Jeb and local Republican government got the hanging chads disallowed to get W over the line.

The first polls close at midnight our time - including swing state Georgia.

Swing states North Carolina and Ohio at 12.30
Ultra-crucial Florida and Pennsylvania at 1am

BUT ... some states like Penn don't count any postal votes until the next day and if it's close we may get no indication on the night. If it's really close expect a load of court battles.

The Republicans expect to do better in in-person voting on the day, so the latest rumour is Trump will declare "victory" on the night and then resort to any means possible to stop postal votes being counted. Including inciting mobs round to electoral counts.

[Jones28]

For balance :greengrin

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JoF7sck44N0

If it weren't for Trump, would you actually want people to vote for this guy?

A nation of 330m people, and this is the best they can come up with.....

I find it mad that this was the best they could do.

Tucker Carlson is a slimey ****.

I was going to say he can't mock any of his policies, but that's just because nobody can understand what they are :greengrin

[Ozyhibby]

Florida closes at 7pm (midnight for us) they are very well organised nowadays so we should be getting their result maybe 4 or 5am?
If Biden wins that one then it's good bye to The Donald, if Trump wins then it could be a long haul.

Florida might be quicker than that. They have processed all their mail in ballots already and are just waiting on feeding them in to the counting machine. They give running totals in us elections so there will be a constant trickle of updates pretty much from about 12.30am.


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[JeMeSouviens]

Florida might be quicker than that. They have processed all their mail in ballots already and are just waiting on feeding them in to the counting machine. They give running totals in us elections so there will be a constant trickle of updates pretty much from about 12.30am.


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See above - if Florida has a clear winner it will come at 1am.

[One Day Soon]

This is going to be a horrible night to go through - and possibly a horrible few days - unless it becomes clear from the outset that it's a Biden landslide.

I'm not sure I've ever been quite so emotionally invested in any kind of electoral contest as this one and I have been very politically active since 1981. In the current context this seems to me to be genuinely a defining point in history in which a Trump win magnifies and empowers dishonest, broken, inward turning identity politics or a Biden win gives pause for breath and the chance for culture wars to if not stop then at least be cooled to a degree. It feels to me that, as here with the Tories, the Republican party has been captured by people who are effectively entryists and they are out of control already. A second term would be horrific.

[McSwanky]

Not liking the way the markets are going on this. From a steady 3.0 up until a couple of days ago, Trump has now shortened to 2.56. Biden has (obviously) drifted from around 1.5 to 1.63. The markets are not suggesting any sort of landslide at the moment.

[One Day Soon]

Not liking the way the markets are going on this. From a steady 3.0 up until a couple of days ago, Trump has now shortened to 2.56. Biden has (obviously) drifted from around 1.5 to 1.63. The markets are not suggesting any sort of landslide at the moment.

Keep a number of changes of underpants on stand-by would be my advice. Though those odds are still quite healthy.

[One Day Soon]

Dixville Notch in the bag for Biden by 5 to 0. I'll take any comfort I can find.

[hibeedc]

... despite what the polls are saying?

You used the plural. Does that include Congress as well?
Yes the Republicans will control congress.

[Ozyhibby]

Yes the Republicans will control congress.

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[The 90+2]

Keep a number of changes of underpants on stand-by would be my advice. Though those odds are still quite healthy.

I just put Trump on @ 11/8.

[Ozyhibby]

I just put Trump on @ 11/8.

Wasting your money. I think Biden will out perform his polling on the back of the large turnout and win in a landslide. I think he’ll win in Texas and Florida.


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[The 90+2]

Wasting your money. I think Biden will out perform his polling on the back of the large turnout and win in a landslide. I think he’ll win in Texas and Florida.


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Trump is Favourite in both states.

I hope I’m wasting my money also but decent odds still in something that could go either way. It’s the equivalent of voting in the Eurovision Song Contest. The unpredictablity of the Americans make it that way.

You can get 3/1 Biden to win Texas.

[marinello59]

See above - if Florida has a clear winner it will come at 1am.

Alarm set. I love an election night. :greengrin

[hibeedc]

Wasting your money. I think Biden will out perform his polling on the back of the large turnout and win in a landslide. I think he’ll win in Texas and Florida.


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I think you couldn't be more wrong.

[Ozyhibby]

Trump is Favourite in both states.

I hope I’m wasting my money also but decent odds still in something that could go either way. It’s the equivalent of voting in the Eurovision Song Contest. The unpredictablity of the Americans make it that way.

You can get 3/1 Biden to win Texas.

Absolutely. He leads in polling in both states. Polls tend to be only wrong when there are unexpected things happening. In 2016 they under estimated white non college voters because they don’t usually vote so much. They have now fixed that problem and it will only be a problem again if they go back to not voting.
This time I think it’s entirely possible that the polling companies have under estimated the 18-30 age group who also rarely vote but seem to have been showing up in massive numbers in the early vote stats.
With Texas, it’s generally thought it’s only a matter of time before it goes Democrat, and there appears to be huge turnouts in early voting in the cites in Texas. Cities tend to favour democrats.
It’s only guess work but I’m pretty confident. If I’m wrong, I don’t think I’ll be wrong enough that it costs Biden the presidency.


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[CloudSquall]

I think it comes down to how big the silent/shy Trump vote is vs how much of the youth vote Biden got out.

[hibsbollah]

Alarm set. I love an election night. :greengrin

In normal years, a Florida (TC2C and pivotal) and Kentucky (easy for Trump) state declaration and news of Lindsey Graham in South Carolina and McConnell in Kentucky would be the first things we know, but I wouldn’t necessarily set your alarm for 1am. We’re entering uncharted territory.

[Bristolhibby]

Not liking the way the markets are going on this. From a steady 3.0 up until a couple of days ago, Trump has now shortened to 2.56. Biden has (obviously) drifted from around 1.5 to 1.63. The markets are not suggesting any sort of landslide at the moment.

I am part of the Trump bet. Insurance net in my case.

J

[Bristolhibby]

Getting some kip tonight. Catch the early news tomorrow morning.

My wife was in Labour when Obama won his first term. Was up all night keeping track of the events unfolding.

Luckily it was a landslide. My son was born in the day the first black American President was elected. Kept the newspaper from that day.

J

[Keith_M]

Just to lighten the mood a little, here's a German TV Ad for a Removals Company, from just after the last election...



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=17eExW2fnJQ

[Hibs90]

Trump is going to win this isn't he?

[Ozyhibby]

Trump is going to win this isn't he?

No


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[Andy74]

Trump is going to win this isn't he?

Wouldn’t have thought so.

[McSwanky]

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/final-2020-presidential-election-forecast/

This guy gave Trump a 30% chance of winning in 2016, which was significantly higher than most of the official polls.

I see Trump has drifted out a bit again over the course of today. Maybe I won't need new pants after all...

[AugustaHibs]

Chance of severe riots or a civil war if Biden wins tonight? Sure trump said h wouldn’t accept losing

[lapsedhibee]

Some US politicos predicting Biden to win popular vote by 6 or 7 million but Trump to win Electoral College.

https://twitter.com/TimAlberta/status/1323640126828879872

America = mental.

[CropleyWasGod]

Some US politicos predicting Biden to win popular vote by 6 or 7 million but Trump to win Electoral College.

https://twitter.com/TimAlberta/status/1323640126828879872

America = mental.

Aren't they GOP people, though? And 2 out 4.

[lapsedhibee]

Aren't they GOP people, though? And 2 out 4.

Yes, they're Goppies - the other two said 8 or 9 million margin for Biden. The fact that a 6 or 7 million winning margin is even compatible with losing the election is what's bizarre. (Believe the Goppies have a history of gerrymandering, not sure if the Dems do that as well.)

[Ozyhibby]

Yes, they're Goppies - the other two said 8 or 9 million margin for Biden. The fact that a 6 or 7 million winning margin is even compatible with losing the election is what's bizarre. (Believe the Goppies have a history of gerrymandering, not sure if the Dems do that as well.)

I don’t think a 6-7million winning margin is compatible with losing the electoral college? It’s technically possible but very very unlikely.


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[hibsbollah]

Already shenanigans reported in Graham’s North Carolina, mile long queues in black areas, demands to extend voting hours.

[BS44]

Latest polls from four key states now showing that they have moved from Biden to Trump

Ohio, Iowa, Georgia and Nth Carolina

[lapsedhibee]

Latest polls from four key states now showing that they have moved from Biden to Trump

Ohio, Iowa, Georgia and Nth Carolina

Don't think Ohio and Iowa were predicted for Biden, were they?

[Callum_62]

Don't think Ohio and Iowa were predicted for Biden, were they?Trump overturns Biden lead in four states

Donald Trump appears to have overturned Joe Biden’s lead in four states, according to polling data aggregator RealClearPolitics.

The site suggested that Mr Trump now leads in Iowa by 2 per cent, Ohio by 1.4 per cent, Georgia by 1 per cent, and North Carolina by 0.2 per cent.



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[hibsbollah]

Trump overturns Biden lead in four states

Donald Trump appears to have overturned Joe Biden’s lead in four states, according to polling data aggregator RealClearPolitics.

The site suggested that Mr Trump now leads in Iowa by 2 per cent, Ohio by 1.4 per cent, Georgia by 1 per cent, and North Carolina by 0.2 per cent.



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He led narrowly in both the first two yesterday, and all 4 are well within the margin of error.
No need to panic.

[Callum_62]

He led narrowly in both the first two yesterday, and all 4 are well within the margin of error.
No need to panic.Imagine 4 more years of this though eh



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[Colr]

He led narrowly in both the first two yesterday, and all 4 are well within the margin of error.
No need to panic.

Too late!! Trump’s only going to win isn’t he?

Oh, ****!!

[hibsbollah]

Too late!! Trump’s only going to win isn’t he?

Oh, ****!!


Four more years of
:panic::panic::cb:cb:idiot::idiot::gun::gun::fire: :fire:


Nope. When the dust clears, 384-154 Biden.

[BroxburnHibee]

Im dreading our future if Trump wins. Please someone give me hope.....

[Colr]

Im dreading our future if Trump wins. Please someone give me hope.....

If he does it will embolden far right authoritarians especially as the US will have passed from being the guardians of the free world to being one of its opponents.

[Mikey]

97%............

https://projects.economist.com/us-2020-forecast/president

If Trump wins they might as well scrap polling altogether.

[Just_Jimmy]

rarely does a sitting president lose a re-election bid.



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[BroxburnHibee]

rarely does a sitting president lose a re-election bid.



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Twice in the last 40 years. 3 in 44 if you include Ford but he wasn't elected.

[Just_Jimmy]

Twice in the last 40 years. 3 in 44 if you include Ford but he wasn't elected.yup. I hope he does lose, but I will not be at all surprised to see Trump win.

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[hfc rd]

When’s the Florida result due?

[hibsbollah]

Twice in the last 40 years. 3 in 44 if you include Ford but he wasn't elected.


Is there any intrinsic reason why that should be the case though? Apart from coincidence? Any inbuilt advantage to an incumbent? I’m not sure there is really, it’s just like tossing a coin 11 times and getting 8 heads and 3 tails :greengrin

[calumhibee1]

When’s the Florida result due?

Think it could be about 3am some places are saying.

[BroxburnHibee]

Is there any intrinsic reason why that should be the case though? Apart from coincidence? Any inbuilt advantage to an incumbent? I’m not sure there is really, it’s just like tossing a coin 11 times and getting 8 heads and 3 tails :greengrin

Probably a case of better the devil you know.

[Tobias Funke]

Is there any intrinsic reason why that should be the case though? Apart from coincidence? Any inbuilt advantage to an incumbent? I’m not sure there is really, it’s just like tossing a coin 11 times and getting 8 heads and 3 tails :greengrin

Its a baffling viewpoint, that because something has happened more often than not that it definitely must be happening again.

We had lost numerous cup finals in the lead up to 2016, didn’t mean we were definitely going to lose to Rangers. We all know what happened :greengrin

I love the coin toss analogy.

[Vault Boy]

When’s the Florida result due?

AP saying midnight.

[Renfrew_Hibby]

Florida not looking good for Biden, lots of on the ground reports that Trump has received a massive turnout today, it was a state that was always in the balance but the polls have swung to trump in these last 48 hrs.

[hfc rd]

Florida & Pennsylvania are the big ones we need for Biden to win, am I right?

[calumhibee1]

Florida not looking good for Biden, lots of on the ground reports that Trump has received a massive turnout today, it was a state that was always in the balance but the polls have swung to trump in these last 48 hrs.

If Trump takes Florida then I reckon he’s got a decent chance. :agree: