Could Coronavirus see the football season ended early?

[Leith Green]

Complete lockdown come monday?

Any ideas what that would mean in terms of work? Would it basically mean food shops , chemists would remain open but absolutely everything else stops?

[ScottB]

Any ideas what that would mean in terms of work? Would it basically mean food shops , chemists would remain open but absolutely everything else stops?

In France the only things open are chemists and supermarkets, you’re only allowed out if you work in one of those places, are on your way to one of those to buy essential supplies, or have a family emergency. You’re also allowed out for exercise, as long as you stay clear of anybody else.

Similar measures are in place in other European countries for up to 2 weeks, I’m sure we’ll move to that stage sooner or later.

[Inconsequential]

For the first time since the outbreak I was asked this morning at work if i had any high temperatures or a cough, I dread a lockdown, no way I'm going to be able to live off £98 a week. Some unfortunate people have to live on £98 pound a week as it is. You can do it don't be so defeatist.

[Jim44]

At least there is one positive about the virus, it has put a temporary stop to another disease.


The Orange Order has axed future marches across Scotland due to the coronavirus outbreak. https://t.co/Nw5gCTHVHN

At least that’s an easily avoided disease if you are a decent human being. Once you get it, however, the only cure is a bowlerhatectomy, and a flute and sash amnesty. :greengrin

[DH1875]

Some unfortunate people have to live on £98 pound a week as it is. You can do it don't be so defeatist.

Bring self employed I hope to get the £98 per week. If not, I'm screwed.

[Peevemor]

In France the only things open are chemists and supermarkets, you’re only allowed out if you work in one of those places, are on your way to one of those to buy essential supplies, or have a family emergency. You’re also allowed out for exercise, as long as you stay clear of anybody else.

Similar measures are in place in other European countries for up to 2 weeks, I’m sure we’ll move to that stage sooner or later.Other shops which sell food (bakers, butchers, etc.) are also open as well as newsagents and off-licences.

You're permitted to travel to your place of work if it's impossible for you to work from home. Not every workplace is closed. Far from it.

[Jim44]

If the football season is effectively over, what will happen to the likes of Kamberi? Will clubs continue to meet for training? Will Kamberi be welcomed back to the fold or will he be allowed to stay with his club of choice?

[DH1875]

See thats the EPL pushed back another 4 weeks.

[Ozyhibby]

See thats the EPL pushed back another 4 weeks.

They are as bad as the spfl and uefa for kicking the can down the road. I very much doubt they will be able to start in 4 weeks.


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[WhileTheChief..]

I doubt there will be anymore football in 2020 at all.

[theonlywayisup]

I doubt there will be anymore football in 2020 at all.

Reports are saying that the earliest children will be back in schools is September.

Head teachers in England, think schools will not open again properly before September. Nicola Sturgeon has said she cannot guarantee that schools in Scotland will reopen before September.

[Since452]

I doubt there will be anymore football in 2020 at all.

That's it done for a good while. Football and sport in general way down the priority list.

[mjhibby]

They are as bad as the spfl and uefa for kicking the can down the road. I very much doubt they will be able to start in 4 weeks.


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Exactly. Boris Johnson has clearly stated it will be a minimum of 12 weeks for the measures and virtual lockdown to slow down the virus. That takes us to mid June and then it will only be gradually relaxed and that's if we are on top of the virus which is a massive if. Realistically we are looking at not playing football till early July. How are clubs to sell season tickets when loads don't know what league they will be in. The clubs need the prize money from finished places and selling season tickets.
Clubs are looking at 4 months without money and some could well go under. Both the Scottish and English fa are abdicating their responsibility. The season is highly unlikely to finish and just setting unrealistic dates for it to return is just farcical. Make the call that the season is finished and get the clubs cash flow going otherwise many clubs face dire futures. We can possibly finish all cup competitions but the leagues are finished. The authorities can't keep putting off the tough decisions.
Make the call,finish the season and either finish as is or reconstruction. Just bloody get on with it. They are quick enough to punish smaller clubs who commit minor infringement but are bottling the most important call in living memory. Grow a set ffs.

[James Stephen]

I have read and heard a lot, but i still cannot see any viable and practical alternative to ending the season now, and going with placings as they are.

Ideally the season would be finished, but there is no way that will happen now.

[Iggy Pope]

If the football season is effectively over, what will happen to the likes of Kamberi? Will clubs continue to meet for training? Will Kamberi be welcomed back to the fold or will he be allowed to stay with his club of choice?

Is he Covid or Sevco? Needs to make his mind up.

[jacomo]

If the football season is effectively over, what will happen to the likes of Kamberi? Will clubs continue to meet for training? Will Kamberi be welcomed back to the fold or will he be allowed to stay with his club of choice?


I imagine - though I do not know - that Sevco are covering his wages until the end of the season. Whenever that might be.

Although it’s probably neutral with that because they are paying for Kamberi and we are paying for Doherty

[Smartie]

If the football season is effectively over, what will happen to the likes of Kamberi? Will clubs continue to meet for training? Will Kamberi be welcomed back to the fold or will he be allowed to stay with his club of choice?

I forgot all about him.

It’s funny how your perspective changes and you look back on how angry you got at a footballer making some daft comments.

[Forza Fred]

If the football season is effectively over, what will happen to the likes of Kamberi? Will clubs continue to meet for training? Will Kamberi be welcomed back to the fold or will he be allowed to stay with his club of choice?

He better find a club of choice, other than ours.

I can’t see Easter Road doing anything but booing him every time he touches the ball should he remain.

He may be naive, poorly advised etc...but he said what he said and once said, it can’t be unsaid.

(Donald Trump excepted)

[stuart-farquhar]

I doubt there will be anymore football in 2020 at all.

That's my view. Probably if we're lucky start again in 2021.

[GibbytheHibby2]

In France the only things open are chemists and supermarkets, you’re only allowed out if you work in one of those places, are on your way to one of those to buy essential supplies, or have a family emergency. You’re also allowed out for exercise, as long as you stay clear of anybody else.

Similar measures are in place in other European countries for up to 2 weeks, I’m sure we’ll move to that stage sooner or later.


Not quite true. There is a huge list of key roles ( can’t find the link). It includes financial companies and insurance.

Uk government has now also issued its list which includes banks and financial institutions. If you need to pause your mortgage payments as ana example, how would that happen without staff taking your call - which is unlikely to be someone working from home.

[jingler1954]

I am stuck in Spain my flight was cancelled but I managed to book another on the 31st of March. People are being fined for driving to the supermarket with 2 people in the car. Dog walkers are restricted to 50m from homes. The place is in total lockdown. I might not even get home if the UK eventually follows suit and goes into total lockdown.At least its warm here. Stay safe.

[Phil MaGlass]

Why the hell are restaurants and bars still open in the uk and Scotland, I dont get it, everything in the rest of Europe has been closed, childrens playparks, schools, restaurants, bars, evrything? I saw Boris Johnsons speech yesterday, a more disjointed mumbler you will never see, I despair for you lot back home, the guy does not have a clue. Seems this is not being taken very seriously by him. Thousands will die.....

[TedZ]

I am stuck in Spain my flight was cancelled but I managed to book another on the 31st of March. People are being fined for driving to the supermarket with 2 people in the car. Dog walkers are restricted to 50m from homes. The place is in total lockdown. I might not even get home if the UK eventually follows suit and goes into total lockdown.At least its warm here. Stay safe.
I am in a similar situation in Spain, with my last flight cancelled but have booked another today (at a very high price). The longer one waits the more chance the flight will be cancelled. However, one should not exaggerate the lockdown. Food shops ect are still open and if you take a shopping bag with you, you can walk about without any hassle as long as you do not walk in a group. I have managed to complete my 10000 steps a day without any problem the past week, although I have had to change from my usual senic routes.

[BILLYHIBS]

When this ends and it will

Every football match will sell out

Every restaurant will have a two hour wait

Every kid will be glad to be in school

Everyone will love their job

The pound will sky rocket

Pubs will be rammed

Gigs will be plentiful

We will kiss, embrace, shake hands and still HATE HEARTS!

Thats gonna be a good day!

Hang in there world.






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[CockneyRebel]

[QUOTE=BILLYHIBS;6123361]When this ends and it will

Every football match will sell out

Every restaurant will have a two hour wait

Every kid will be glad to be in school

Everyone will love their job

The pound will sky rocket

Pubs will be rammed

Gigs will be plentiful

We will kiss, embrace, shake hands and still HATE HEARTS!

That's gonna be a good day!

Hang in there world.





That's actually cheered me up a bit - thanks for that.

[Keith_M]

Some German clubs are taking this 'isolation' to the extreme.

Mainz have even put their stadium on wheels and dragged it a mile out of town.....


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[Chorley Hibee]

Some German clubs are taking this 'isolation' to the extreme.

Mainz have even put their stadium on wheels and dragged it a mile out of town.....


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I don't know if you're having a laugh or not here Keith, especially as I know you have a good knowledge of German football, but that is where Mainz always play.

I'm a big fan of German football too and visit Mainz a couple of times a season for their games. Great little city and great supporters too.

[Ozyhibby]

When this ends and it will

Every football match will sell out

Every restaurant will have a two hour wait

Every kid will be glad to be in school

Everyone will love their job

The pound will sky rocket

Pubs will be rammed

Gigs will be plentiful

We will kiss, embrace, shake hands and still HATE HEARTS!

Thats gonna be a good day!

Hang in there world.






Source: Anonymous The Internet

Nice thought but everyone will be so much in debt that they won’t be going anywhere but work if they can get it.


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[Jim44]

When this ends and it will

Every football match will sell out

Every restaurant will have a two hour wait

Every kid will be glad to be in school

Everyone will love their job

The pound will sky rocket

Pubs will be rammed

Gigs will be plentiful

We will kiss, embrace, shake hands and still HATE HEARTS!

Thats gonna be a good day!

Hang in there world.






Source: Anonymous The Internet

......... and my golf handicap won’t have gone up. :aok:

[Keith_M]

I don't know if you're having a laugh or not here Keith, especially as I know you have a good knowledge of German football, but that is where Mainz always play.

I'm a big fan of German football too and visit Mainz a couple of times a season for their games. Great little city and great supporters too.


I know, I was just trying to inject a bit of humour.



Probably not very funny but well intentioned... honest guv.

:greengrin

[eezyrider]

Why the hell are restaurants and bars still open in the uk and Scotland, I dont get it, everything in the rest of Europe has been closed, childrens playparks, schools, restaurants, bars, evrything? I saw Boris Johnsons speech yesterday, a more disjointed mumbler you will never see, I despair for you lot back home, the guy does not have a clue. Seems this is not being taken very seriously by him. Thousands will die.....

Because they can't afford to close and the government haven't said they must close.

[lapsedhibee]

Because they can't afford to close and the government haven't said they must close.

Probably Senior Sources At No 10 still pursuing their herd immunity policy, only now calling it 'leaving the choice to individuals in this great nation of ours'.

[Keith_M]

"Boris Johnson said the Government is telling pubs, cafes, nightclubs, bars, restaurants, theatres, leisure centres and gyms to close from tonight to fight coronavirus"

Herald Article (https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/18322872.coronavirus-boris-johnson-tells-cafes-pubs-restaurants-close-tonight/)

[snedzuk]

Because they can't afford to close and the government haven't said they must close.

Cafes, pubs and restaurants must close from Friday night, except for take-away food, to tackle coronavirus, UK Prime Minister Boris Johnson has said.
All the UK's nightclubs, theatres, cinemas, gyms and leisure centres have also been told to close "as soon as they reasonably can".

Maybe - just maybe - the scientific advisers have a greater insight into this than various armchair experts

[Lago]

Cafes, pubs and restaurants must close from Friday night, except for take-away food, to tackle coronavirus, UK Prime Minister Boris Johnson has said.
All the UK's nightclubs, theatres, cinemas, gyms and leisure centres have also been told to close "as soon as they reasonably can".

Maybe - just maybe - the scientific advisers have a greater insight into this than various armchair experts
Doubtful, they'll always find something to complain about.

[blackpoolhibs]

"Boris Johnson said the Government is telling pubs, cafes, nightclubs, bars, restaurants, theatres, leisure centres and gyms to close from tonight to fight coronavirus"

Herald Article (https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/18322872.coronavirus-boris-johnson-tells-cafes-pubs-restaurants-close-tonight/)

In the pub now, rammed to the rafters with one last hurrah for the foreseeable. :thumbsup::party::party::party:

[Scott Allan Key]

Why the hell are restaurants and bars still open in the uk and Scotland, I dont get it, everything in the rest of Europe has been closed, childrens playparks, schools, restaurants, bars, evrything? I saw Boris Johnsons speech yesterday, a more disjointed mumbler you will never see, I despair for you lot back home, the guy does not have a clue. Seems this is not being taken very seriously by him. Thousands will die.....Exactly. I work in health care, in particularly with vulnerable groups like the elderly and those with medical conditions.

It makes me furious at the leniency of the tit of a PM we have. During his campaign to be London mayor, he talked about the mayor in the Jaws film, who kept the beaches open while the shark rampaged, saying we needed more politicians like that mayor. The guy is a deluded moron. I don't like to say it, but we needed action like in China.

Many people will die needlessly because of this government and as for those who are still going to pubs for one last hurrah, get a grip and think of others before yourselves.

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[scottish_sleepy]

So now schools are closed unless you're a key worker. Reading the list of "key workers" there's not a hell of a lot of people who don't fit in there somewhere. So it sounds like the schools aren't closing after all. Absolutely mental. Make their minds up ffs

[Joe6-2]

Exactly. I work in health care, in particularly with vulnerable groups like the elderly and those with medical conditions.

It makes me furious at the leniency of the tit of a PM we have. During his campaign to be London mayor, he talked about the mayor in the Jaws film, who kept the beaches open while the shark rampaged, saying we needed more politicians like that mayor. The guy is a deluded moron. I don't like to say it, but we needed action like in China.

Many people will die needlessly because of this government and as for those who are still going to pubs for one last hurrah, get a grip and think of others before yourselves.

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The Scottish parliament could have led the way, we do have some powers up here, but we have just been the same as The UK parliament

[Renfrew_Hibby]

So now schools are closed unless you're a key worker. Reading the list of "key workers" there's not a hell of a lot of people who don't fit in there somewhere. So it sounds like the schools aren't closing after all. Absolutely mental. Make their minds up ffs

I work in food retail & the wife works in food distribution, we have never been busier than now, every day it seems to crank up another notch.
If the schools hadnt remained open for our daughter then i dont know what we would have done.

[scottish_sleepy]

I work in food retail & the wife works in food distribution, we have never been busier than now, every day it seems to crank up another notch.
If the schools hadnt remained open for our daughter then i dont know what we would have done.

I get that completely. I'm the same. It's all the big announcements saying the schools are closing etc when they're quite obviously not. It's honestly like they don't have a clue what to do and seem to change their minds almost by the hour.

[Frankhfc]

I get that completely. I'm the same. It's all the big announcements saying the schools are closing etc when they're quite obviously not. It's honestly like they don't have a clue what to do and seem to change their minds almost by the hour.

I don't share that opinion at all. It seems to have been managed in stages and as the situation has worsened. The worst thing they could have done is to panic everyone at the very outset which could have led to widespread chaos and potential riots.

The governments around the UK have acted in unison and have done very well not to have spread outright panic and social unrest.

Got to give Labour and Jezza credit also for pressurising the tories into helping private companies with wages.

Its not the time for political point scoring in my opinion.

[Kato]

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[BILLYHIBS]

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Not now Kato! :greengrin

[lapsedhibee]

I don't share that opinion at all. It seems to have been managed in stages and as the situation has worsened. The worst thing they could have done is to panic everyone at the very outset which could have led to widespread chaos and potential riots.

The governments around the UK have acted in unison and have done very well not to have spread outright panic and social unrest.

Got to give Labour and Jezza credit also for pressurising the tories into helping private companies with wages.

Its not the time for political point scoring in my opinion.

If the government had had a clue they would have told (forced) supermarkets to introduce some form of rationing BEFORE, or at the same time as, they told everyone else to do "distancing". Anyone with half a brain, if told they must cut down all interactions with people, is going to want to go to the supermarket less frequently than usual, and therefore buy more than usual when they do go. That's simple arithmetic. Don't think it's political point scoring to point out that Johnson and Hancock are not very bright.

[Joe6-2]

If the government had had a clue they would have told (forced) supermarkets to introduce some form of rationing BEFORE, or at the same time as, they told everyone else to do "distancing". Anyone with half a brain, if told they must cut down all interactions with people, is going to want to go to the supermarket less frequently than usual, and therefore buy more than usual when they do go. That's simple arithmetic. Don't think it's political point scoring to point out that Johnson and Hancock are not very bright.

Don’t you think as adults the people of this country shouldn’t need to be told not to be so bloody selfish

[lapsedhibee]

Don’t you think as adults the people of this country shouldn’t need to be told not to be so bloody selfish
They shouldn't be told contradictory things: (1) shop as normal and (2) don't go out unless you have to.

[snedzuk]

They shouldn't be told contradictory things: (1) shop as normal and (2) don't go out unless you have to.

thats not contradictory

[Just Alf]

thats not contradictorySurely it is?

We used to do a monthly shop, as it made no difference cost wise we now do it weekly, if I pop along to Sainsburys and go back to a monthly shop it'll cut down my days out the house but will look like panic buying to some?


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[jacomo]

The Scottish parliament could have led the way, we do have some powers up here, but we have just been the same as The UK parliament


I think the Scottish government has actually been leading the way. Almost every step UK government has taken has been floated already in Scotland.

Nicola Sturgeon attends Cobra meetings. I can imagine that she has been quite forthright in trying to persuade BoJo to get a grip.

[theonlywayisup]

I'm off the opinion that there will be restrictions right through and beyond the end of the year. I think abandon season 20/21 and finish the current season once the world is back to normal. However, I've no idea what to do with contracts, league payments etc.

[Ozyhibby]

I think the Scottish government has actually been leading the way. Almost every step UK government has taken has been floated already in Scotland.

Nicola Sturgeon attends Cobra meetings. I can imagine that she has been quite forthright in trying to persuade BoJo to get a grip.

Paying people’s wages was floated by Blackford at PMQ last week.


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[scottish_sleepy]

All is was trying to say that the big announcement Re closing the schools, by the looks of things isn't actually happening after all. Reports in the papers this morning are suggesting that the vast majority of schools will actually still be opening and full. Selfishly it will probably be easier for my family if this is the case however why announce they're all closing when they're not.

[Mr Grieves]

So now schools are closed unless you're a key worker. Reading the list of "key workers" there's not a hell of a lot of people who don't fit in there somewhere. So it sounds like the schools aren't closing after all. Absolutely mental. Make their minds up ffs

The vast majority of UK workers aren't employed in jobs on that list.


All is was trying to say that the big announcement Re closing the schools, by the looks of things isn't actually happening after all. Reports in the papers this morning are suggesting that the vast majority of schools will actually still be opening and full. Selfishly it will probably be easier for my family if this is the case however why announce they're all closing when they're not.

The government are estimating 20% of children will continue to attend school, which is quite a bit off from schools being full.

My wife and I are considered key workers, and we won't find out until next week what childcare provisions will be put in place for our son. The uncertainty isn't great, especially when it involves your kids, but we're understanding of the situation as this is a massive undertaking by the UK government, Scottish government and local authorities.

Maybe you could cut them some slack and stop spreading the crap you read in newspapers?

[Lago]

Exactly. I work in health care, in particularly with vulnerable groups like the elderly and those with medical conditions.

It makes me furious at the leniency of the tit of a PM we have. During his campaign to be London mayor, he talked about the mayor in the Jaws film, who kept the beaches open while the shark rampaged, saying we needed more politicians like that mayor. The guy is a deluded moron. I don't like to say it, but we needed action like in China.

Many people will die needlessly because of this government and as for those who are still going to pubs for one last hurrah, get a grip and think of others before yourselves.

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NHS fully devolved in Scotland & I'm sure the ability to close all establishments is in the power of the our First Minister, but let's make it political even as people fall ill & die.

[Del Boy]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/51987594

Highland league finished, Brora champions

[Moulin Yarns]

Highland league call the season to be concluded with Brora Rangers deemed to be champions.

[danhibees1875]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/51987594

Highland league finished, Brora champions

Does anyone get relegated from that division? Or is that the lowest tier?

[Sioux]

:agree: Precedents are good tools to have when decision making. 'mon the SPFL!

[Sir David Gray]

Does anyone get relegated from that division? Or is that the lowest tier?

There's no relegation but the winners of the Highland League contest a play off with the winners of the Lowland League, for the right to play the bottom team in League Two. The winners of that play off plays in League Two the following season.

With no relegation being mooted this season, it remains to be seen what will happen.

[nairn hibee]

Highland league have announced the season is over .Brora are champions

[Peevemor]

Highland league have announced the season is over .Brora are championsThat is interesting. [emoji848]

[scottish_sleepy]

The vast majority of UK workers aren't employed in jobs on that list.



The government are estimating 20% of children will continue to attend school, which is quite a bit off from schools being full.

My wife and I are considered key workers, and we won't find out until next week what childcare provisions will be put in place for our son. The uncertainty isn't great, especially when it involves your kids, but we're understanding of the situation as this is a massive undertaking by the UK government, Scottish government and local authorities.

Maybe you could cut them some slack and stop spreading the crap you read in newspapers?

The government are estimating 20% are they. Should maybe tell that to the teacher who lives next door and is expecting to go back next week to pretty much a full class. Then again she's only a teacher in the school what would she know.

[marinello59]

The government are estimating 20% are they. Should maybe tell that to the teacher who lives next door and is expecting to go back next week to pretty much a full class. Then again she's only a teacher in the school what would she know.

Aberdeen City, as an example, will only have a few schools open to cater for what will be a relatively small number of pupils. Unless your neighbour is one of those who has volunteered to take one of those classes then she has picked things up wrong.

[Chip shop Joe]

I think there will be a far higher attendance than 20%. There is still dubiety over whether it is one or both parents. No one seems to know.

I have heard, from several teachers, that it should be both parents but this has not been communicated very well. I have also heard that proof of being a key worker will not be requested and that schools are expected to be inundated with non key workers children.

I think the theory is very good but as discussed it is a massive undertaking and very difficult to manage.

[CockneyRebel]

I think the Scottish government has actually been leading the way. Almost every step UK government has taken has been floated already in Scotland.

Nicola Sturgeon attends Cobra meetings. I can imagine that she has been quite forthright in trying to persuade BoJo to get a grip.


I think you imagine lots of things.

[AFKA5814_Hibs]

I think there will be a far higher attendance than 20%. There is still dubiety over whether it is one or both parents. No one seems to know.

I have heard, from several teachers, that it should be both parents but this has not been communicated very well. I have also heard that proof of being a key worker will not be requested and that schools are expected to be inundated with non key workers children.

I think the theory is very good but as discussed it is a massive undertaking and very difficult to manage.

My wife runs one of the kitchens in a primary school in Midlothian. Out of 32 primary schools, 4 are being used as hubs for vulnerable children and children for key workers. Estimates suggest 2000 children are eligible in the region. Of course all of those kids may not attend, but if they did then 500 children per school would be far too many. My wife has been asked to attend the local hub school on Monday morning so doesn't know if she will be needed for work or not, will depend on actual numbers.

[Chip shop Joe]

Numbers on the first day may also be vastly different from the second day if proof of key worker status is not asked for. This will spread like wildfire.

You will also get parents who do not qualify simply sending their kids to school as normal, knowing that the school/hub will not turn them away.

[marinello59]

Numbers on the first day may also be vastly different from the second day if proof of key worker status is not asked for. This will spread like wildfire.

You will also get parents who do not qualify simply sending their kids to school as normal, knowing that the school/hub will not turn them away.

That simply won’t happen. There is a system in place .

[Global Hibby]

793 deaths in Italy today and how very sad. Let’s hope the UK gets no where close to that number.

[lord bunberry]

That simply won’t happen. There is a system in place .
:agree: You have to fill in an online form to be able to send your child to school. You also have to provide details of your job and employer.

[scottish_sleepy]

That simply won’t happen. There is a system in place .

What system is in place for this. My works told all front line staff to apply for a space. The online application doesn't ask what I do for a living.
One of the teachers union people said this today when talking about the list of critical jobs.
Dr Mary Bousted, joint general secretary of the National Education Union, said: "This is a very long list and could result in some schools having the majority of pupils attending.

Let's be honest the whole situation is horendoua.
As much as I can't stand Boris and the tories they're in a lose lose situation but the things they're trying to do to keep businesses afloat is admirable.

[Chip shop Joe]

That simply won’t happen. There is a system in place .

I am afraid that this simply will happen.

As I said it should be both parents but the “system” makes no mention of this. It asks for your employer that is all. Not both parents employer/s.

There is absolutely no chance that checks will be made. Are the council going to phone up, for example Sky (who are key workers btw) and ask if so and so works for them? The short answer is no and then you will have data protection issues surrounding supplying this information.

I know for a fact that the forms already submitted FAR outweighs the initial hub places and when checks are not made this will get even worse.

[Phil MaGlass]

President Sanchez of Spain taking a wee swipe at the UK (england)

https://elpais.com/espana/2020-03-21/sanchez-advierte-de-que-llega-la-ola-mas-duray-pide-fortaleza-y-unidad.html

[Keith_M]

Four Year Old Rants about Panic Buyers (https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/lifestyle/family-kids/scots-girl-4-brands-coronavirus-21724738)

:greengrin


(warning, it's the Daily Record, so not for the moral high-grounders)

[erin go bragh]

793 deaths in Italy today and how very sad. Let’s hope the UK gets no where close to that number.
Italy are 14 days ahead of us . If you look at the like for like stats , we’re going to be in the same horrible state .
How we haven’t had a total lockdown to contain this is unbelievable.

[JimBHibees]

I am afraid that this simply will happen.

As I said it should be both parents but the “system” makes no mention of this. It asks for your employer that is all. Not both parents employer/s.

There is absolutely no chance that checks will be made. Are the council going to phone up, for example Sky (who are key workers btw) and ask if so and so works for them? The short answer is no and then you will have data protection issues surrounding supplying this information.

I know for a fact that the forms already submitted FAR outweighs the initial hub places and when checks are not made this will get even worse.

Why are sky considered key workers? Schools have been very low attendance due to the virus can't see that increasing. Kids imo will not really want to go to a hub school if not their own. Will be interesting to see the uptake tomorrow.

[Billy Whizz]

President Sanchez of Spain taking a wee swipe at the UK (england)

https://elpais.com/espana/2020-03-21/sanchez-advierte-de-que-llega-la-ola-mas-duray-pide-fortaleza-y-unidad.html

Can you translate for me please😄

[JimBHibees]

Italy are 14 days ahead of us . If you look at the like for like stats , we’re going to be in the same horrible state .
How we haven’t had a total lockdown to contain this is unbelievable.

Lockdown must be coming you would have thought.

[JimBHibees]

Can you translate for me please😄

Basically says Boris is a bit of a plonker. :greengrin

[Billy Whizz]

Basically says Boris is a bit of a plonker. :greengrin

Thanks Jim

[Sir David Gray]

Lockdown must be coming you would have thought.

I think we'll be on near enough a full lockdown within the next week.

Also to answer the question posed in the opening post, I really don't see the season being finished. We are likely to see things deteriorate for the next 2-3 months. It's only going to get worse and there's no way sport will be able to return any time soon.

[BoomtownHibees]

I am afraid that this simply will happen.

As I said it should be both parents but the “system” makes no mention of this. It asks for your employer that is all. Not both parents employer/s.

There is absolutely no chance that checks will be made. Are the council going to phone up, for example Sky (who are key workers btw) and ask if so and so works for them? The short answer is no and then you will have data protection issues surrounding supplying this information.

I know for a fact that the forms already submitted FAR outweighs the initial hub places and when checks are not made this will get even worse.

It’s only 1 parent that needs to be a key worker.

Our “local” school being used as a hub is in Loanhead whereas I’m in Bonnyrigg. Not a million miles away but not ideal either. Will keep mine at home

[lord bunberry]

It’s only 1 parent that needs to be a key worker.

Our “local” school being used as a hub is in Loanhead whereas I’m in Bonnyrigg. Not a million miles away but not ideal either. Will keep mine at home
I’ve no idea what the hub schools in Edinburgh are, we’ve not heard anything yet.

[Moulin Yarns]

I’ve no idea what the hub schools in Edinburgh are, we’ve not heard anything yet.

You will get a letter, which is on the council website.

[Mr Grieves]

I’ve no idea what the hub schools in Edinburgh are, we’ve not heard anything yet.

You need to complete this form if you think you're a key worker with a child at school in Edinburgh.

https://forms.office.com/Pages/ResponsePage.aspx?id=af6sSGo3tUKfacnke7-5xLtj9bqlyINNt_mH7JBYvvNUNjc2M1U5R1lWQkVBR1NGQTFFR TBZTjBBOS4u

You won't hear until next week if your kid will have a school place/childcare and where that'll be. This will start on Monday 30th March.

[lord bunberry]

You need to complete this form if you think you're a key worker with a child at school in Edinburgh.

https://forms.office.com/Pages/ResponsePage.aspx?id=af6sSGo3tUKfacnke7-5xLtj9bqlyINNt_mH7JBYvvNUNjc2M1U5R1lWQkVBR1NGQTFFR TBZTjBBOS4u

You won't hear until next week if your kid will have a school place/childcare and where that'll be. This will start on Monday 30th March.
My partner filled in the form the other day, she works with vulnerable children so has to still work. I hadn’t heard when this was starting so it’s helpful to at least know it’s a week tomorrow. Thanks.

[Lago]

President Sanchez of Spain taking a wee swipe at the UK (england)

https://elpais.com/espana/2020-03-21/sanchez-advierte-de-que-llega-la-ola-mas-duray-pide-fortaleza-y-unidad.html
Considering the state Spain is in, Madrid in particular it's a pot & kettle, but I suppose it diverts his population's attention away from his poor performance..

[Springbank]

Considering the state Spain is in, Madrid in particular it's a pot & kettle, but I suppose it diverts his population's attention away from his poor performance..

Alternatively, those in Scotland who think of the UK as being trustworthy will find yet further evidence that London is an international pariah & Scotland will be welcomed when we go our friendly separate way next year

[Chip shop Joe]

It’s only 1 parent that needs to be a key worker.

Our “local” school being used as a hub is in Loanhead whereas I’m in Bonnyrigg. Not a million miles away but not ideal either. Will keep mine at home

Where have you seen it should be one parent? It definitely should be two.

This was from West Lothian:

In line with Government guidance that if one parent is a key worker and the other is not, the non-key worker should normally be expected to provide childcare. If it is at all possible for children to be at home, then they should be.

[Keith_M]

Alternatively, those in Scotland who think of the UK as being trustworthy will find yet further evidence that London is an international pariah & Scotland will be welcomed when we go our friendly separate way next year


Please don't, we don't need this kind of chat right now.

(and I'm an SNP voter)

[Moulin Yarns]

Where have you seen it should be one parent? It definitely should be two.

This was from West Lothian:

In line with Government guidance that if one parent is a key worker and the other is not, the non-key worker should normally be expected to provide childcare. If it is at all possible for children to be at home, then they should be.
An update on the government website



https://www.gov.scot/news/supporting-parents-and-families/

[Chip shop Joe]

An update on the government website



https://www.gov.scot/news/supporting-parents-and-families/

Sorry if I am being thick here but does this not just repeat what West Lothian council have sent out? Ie if one parent is not a key worker then they would be expected to look after the children?

[Moulin Yarns]

Sorry if I am being thick here but does this not just repeat what West Lothian council have sent out? Ie if one parent is not a key worker then they would be expected to look after the children?

Yep. It's meant for those who don't look at official sites.

[BoomtownHibees]

Sorry if I am being thick here but does this not just repeat what West Lothian council have sent out? Ie if one parent is not a key worker then they would be expected to look after the children?

I think it was just updated on Friday afternoon. It was just the 1 parent but now it’s both. I received an email today from my employer (Sky) advising that we were now also classed as Key Workers however as I can work from home I will be keeping my kids at home with me

[Chip shop Joe]

I think it was just updated on Friday afternoon. It was just the 1 parent but now it’s both. I received an email today from my employer (Sky) advising that we were now also classed as Key Workers however as I can work from home I will be keeping my kids at home with me

Cheers but where is this written?

All I can see is the message from West Lothian Council and the above link to the Gov site both have the same text in them stating that if one parent is a non key worker then the expectation was that they would look after their children?

[BoomtownHibees]

Cheers but where is this written?

All I can see is the message from West Lothian Council and the above link to the Gov site both have the same text in them stating that if one parent is a non key worker then the expectation was that they would look after their children?

That’s what I’m saying. I think it was 1 parent up until Friday and now it’s both

[Just_Jimmy]

I think it was just updated on Friday afternoon. It was just the 1 parent but now it’s both. I received an email today from my employer (Sky) advising that we were now also classed as Key Workers however as I can work from home I will be keeping my kids at home with meI genuinely mean no disrespect to you or any of your colleagues but in what way is an employee of sky or similar a key worker for society to function?

Key workers in this situation are

NHS staff at all levels
Police and police staff at all levels
Firefighters
Supermarket staff and those that make super markets function
Social care
Teachers. Although schools have been closed - they are keeping the children of those above safe.

Everyone else society can function without for the time being.

Again I mean no disrespect to you or anyone else they have classed as key workers. My feeling is that they've simply made the net too wide and many companies have tried to apply this title in order to justify remaining open.

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[Chip shop Joe]

That’s what I’m saying. I think it was 1 parent up until Friday and now it’s both

Ok, but I only got the email this morning, from West Lothian and surely the government website should be up to date.

It is definitely meant to be both parents but not to worry I am sure it will all come out in the wash and if they don’t do any checks then it really does not matter in none, one or two parents are key workers.

[BoomtownHibees]

I genuinely mean no disrespect to you or any of your colleagues but in what way is an employee of sky or similar a key worker for society to function?

Key workers in this situation are

NHS staff at all levels
Police and police staff at all levels
Firefighters
Supermarket staff and those that make super markets function
Social care
Teachers. Although schools have been closed - they are keeping the children of those above safe.

Everyone else society can function without for the time being.

Again I mean no disrespect to you or anyone else they have classed as key workers. My feeling is that they've simply made the net too wide and many companies have tried to apply this title in order to justify remaining open.

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It came as a bit of a surprise to me to be honest however it probably reflects how important access to telephone, broadband and mobile is at the moment. In some cases it’s the only contact some will have with the outside world

[CentreLine]

I genuinely mean no disrespect to you or any of your colleagues but in what way is an employee of sky or similar a key worker for society to function?

Key workers in this situation are

NHS staff at all levels
Police and police staff at all levels
Firefighters
Supermarket staff and those that make super markets function
Social care
Teachers. Although schools have been closed - they are keeping the children of those above safe.

Everyone else society can function without for the time being.

Again I mean no disrespect to you or anyone else they have classed as key workers. My feeling is that they've simply made the net too wide and many companies have tried to apply this title in order to justify remaining open.

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I would think that communications workers, generally, would be key workers. If there are urgent messages to get out there the quickest way has to be through the media. That would be my best guess on why Sky workers fall in to that category.

[Just_Jimmy]

It came as a bit of a surprise to me to be honest however it probably reflects how important access to telephone, broadband and mobile is at the moment. In some cases it’s the only contact some will have with the outside worldI suppose when you factor in engineering of these etc then of course you are correct.

The issue is simply that the messages coming across are frankly a shambles.

I work in public services and we are massively unprepared. This is going to go off the charts. Our response is still really really poor.

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[WhileTheChief..]

I genuinely mean no disrespect to you or any of your colleagues but in what way is an employee of sky or similar a key worker for society to function?

Key workers in this situation are

NHS staff at all levels
Police and police staff at all levels
Firefighters
Supermarket staff and those that make super markets function
Social care
Teachers. Although schools have been closed - they are keeping the children of those above safe.

Everyone else society can function without for the time being.

Again I mean no disrespect to you or anyone else they have classed as key workers. My feeling is that they've simply made the net too wide and many companies have tried to apply this title in order to justify remaining open.

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That list needs to be much, much bigger.

Anyone involved in delivering anything for starters along with anyone remotely involved in food production

Add in bin collections, postmen, public transport etc.

Various trades as well. A burst pipe is still an emergency and needs fixed. Add plumbers to the list?

Banks and offices still need to function, utility companies are still pretty important too! The country isn’t shutting down completely yet.

So on the face of it it might sound easy to list key workers I think it’s a close to impossible task.

[Just_Jimmy]

That list needs to be much, much bigger.

Anyone involved in delivering anything for starters along with anyone remotely involved in food production

Add in bin collections, postmen, public transport etc.

Various trades as well. A burst pipe is still an emergency and needs fixed. Add plumbers to the list?

Banks and offices still need to function, utility companies are still pretty important too! The country isn’t shutting down completely yet.

So on the face of it it might sound easy to list key workers I think it’s a close to impossible task.

I mentioned super markets and making them function. I have no experience of this sector so cannot hope to catch everyone but I took it that the food process would be covered by this.

I thought I had mentioned council workers tbh. Of course the others you mention are important or key if you like but as I said the issue is the messages coming are frankly ridiculously mixed.

I would say that me writing a 2 minute post on dot net, listing key workers, would not come as close to someone being paid properly to do so for a formal government list. Indeed I would have come up with others had I spent another 5 or so minutes considering everyone. The real thing is we need to tighten up. Society does not need to shut down, as I say what we have done so far does not come close to an adequate solution.

As I said, I in no way intended to cause offence to another or play down their job or its importance.

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[Keith_M]

Vital jobs would include anybody involved in the production and distribution of food and everyday items (basically what people buy in their weekly shopping).

Those involved in deliveries, like the Postal Services, DHL and the like.

The Media, Cable companies, Telephone networks, plumbers, electricians.... the list is very long and it would be very difficult to come up with a proper definition of what counts as 'essential'.

[Keith_M]

..
As I said, I in no way intended to cause offence to another or play down their job or its importance.



I'm sure you haven't.

:aok:

[kaimendhibs]

I genuinely mean no disrespect to you or any of your colleagues but in what way is an employee of sky or similar a key worker for society to function?

Key workers in this situation are

NHS staff at all levels
Police and police staff at all levels
Firefighters
Supermarket staff and those that make super markets function
Social care
Teachers. Although schools have been closed - they are keeping the children of those above safe.

Everyone else society can function without for the time being.

Again I mean no disrespect to you or anyone else they have classed as key workers. My feeling is that they've simply made the net too wide and many companies have tried to apply this title in order to justify remaining open.

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[Just_Jimmy]

Public Transport?

Sent from my SM-G973F using TapatalkThere's clearly issues around public transport too. Look at London for example. I'm aware of it's importance however difficult decisions require taking.

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[lord bunberry]

There's clearly issues around public transport too. Look at London for example. I'm aware of it's importance however difficult decisions require taking.

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Key workers have to be able to get to work.

[Just_Jimmy]

Key workers have to be able to get to work.Of course they do. However that's not the issue, the issue is non key workers ignoring advice.

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[stuart-farquhar]

I genuinely mean no disrespect to you or any of your colleagues but in what way is an employee of sky or similar a key worker for society to function?

Key workers in this situation are

NHS staff at all levels
Police and police staff at all levels
Firefighters
Supermarket staff and those that make super markets function
Social care
Teachers. Although schools have been closed - they are keeping the children of those above safe.

Everyone else society can function without for the time being.

Again I mean no disrespect to you or anyone else they have classed as key workers. My feeling is that they've simply made the net too wide and many companies have tried to apply this title in order to justify remaining open.

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And civil servants, utility workers, food industry and brewers of course.

[Lago]

And civil servants, utility workers, food industry and brewers of course.
So based on all this we might as well open the schools again as everybody is a key worker.

[marinello59]

So based on all this we might as well open the schools again as everybody is a key worker.

No. There are bands with the top band... NHS workers.... getting priority for what will be strictly limited places.

[Lago]

No. There are bands with the top band... NHS workers.... getting priority for what will be strictly limited places.
That may well be the case, but I can already see the problems, my son in law is a fire fighter, they have been warned that because of covid 19 duties as they know them will change, drastically. They will not be allowed to leave their station at end of shift but remain on site. That will cause major problems for my daughter & grandchildren. I imagine the police will be facing similar issues & so it goes on.

[Billy Whizz]

It’s big no from me for Hibs games behind closed doors, and on TV

[jgl07]

We are going to be longer than 6-8 weeks off. More likely 12-14.
There is no chance of next season being delayed because clubs need the money. This season is finished.


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Do you think there is a pup’s chance of the 2020-21 season starting this side of Christmas?

[K-Zazu]

No football for years. This is only going to get worse.

[wookie70]

It came as a bit of a surprise to me to be honest however it probably reflects how important access to telephone, broadband and mobile is at the moment. In some cases it’s the only contact some will have with the outside world I see broadband and TV etc as key. That doesn't mean everyone that works for Sky or other providers is a key worker

[Peevemor]

Canal+ (French equivalent of Sky) have made a few of their main channels free until at least the end of the month in solidarity with those confined to the house.

[wookie70]

Canal+ (French equivalent of Sky) have made a few of their main channels free until at least the end of the month in solidarity with those confined to the house. Nice gesture bit there has to be care with bandwidth if those channels are watched via the internet.

[Ozyhibby]

Do you think there is a pup’s chance of the 2020-21 season starting this side of Christmas?

Nobody knows is the answer to that. I think next season will be disrupted at times though.


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[Peevemor]

Nice gesture bit there has to be care with bandwidth if those channels are watched via the internet.I think that along with Netflix all the main providers are reducing image quality to save bandwidth.

[Sir David Gray]

Do you think there is a pup’s chance of the 2020-21 season starting this side of Christmas?

I'd like to think so but with no vaccine being available for this virus for at least another year from now, there's nothing to stop it from being transmitted throughout the population.

Keeping people on lockdown for a year isn't an option though and football will need to return at some point.

My guess is that this season is now finished, I can't see how it will be possible to play any football for at least the next 3 months which takes us into June. If they're wanting the new season to start in August then I can't see that happening if they're determined to finish this season.

[wookie70]

I think that along with Netflix all the main providers are reducing image quality to save bandwidth. I heard that too, good idea

[BoomtownHibees]

I see broadband and TV etc as key. That doesn't mean everyone that works for Sky or other providers is a key worker

I never said it did

[Juniper Greens]

I'd like to think so but with no vaccine being available for this virus for at least another year from now, there's nothing to stop it from being transmitted throughout the population.

Keeping people on lockdown for a year isn't an option though and football will need to return at some point.

My guess is that this season is now finished, I can't see how it will be possible to play any football for at least the next 3 months which takes us into June. If they're wanting the new season to start in August then I can't see that happening if they're determined to finish this season.

I think they will try to finish it, knowing that I scuppers next season slightly. Then curtail next season, just playing home and away once. Obviously this will impact TV deal etc, but it works in removing all the legal uncertainty of this season, whilst getting us finished in time for summer 2021

[Ozyhibby]

I think they will try to finish it, knowing that I scuppers next season slightly. Then curtail next season, just playing home and away once. Obviously this will impact TV deal etc, but it works in removing all the legal uncertainty of this season, whilst getting us finished in time for summer 2021

I disagree. There will be no completion of this season. It’s done. The clubs can not afford to take less income next season. Some clubs could not survive that. As it is some clubs may not survive. The clubs will be desperate to begin in August with a full season and all the cups as normal. Football is a business and that is what would bring in the most money.
Nothing will be done that jeopardises that TV deal.


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[JimBHibees]

Seems to be anecdotal evidence that the areas where schools are open for kids of key workers is very low uptake. Some instances staff significantly outnumbering pupils present.

[Since452]

More interested in keeping my family safe and staying employed than football to be honest. Most people will be the same. Football will be at the bottom of people's priorities. Finishing it in the next few months is pure fantasy. Be surprised if another ball is kicked this year.

[blackpoolhibs]

I disagree. There will be no completion of this season. It’s done. The clubs can not afford to take less income next season. Some clubs could not survive that. As it is some clubs may not survive. The clubs will be desperate to begin in August with a full season and all the cups as normal. Football is a business and that is what would bring in the most money.
Nothing will be done that jeopardises that TV deal.


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I agree about this season being done, you'd need to be pretty daft if you think this season is getting finished now.

I'm not sure next season wont be drastically affected too, we could be seeing something very different next season.

It wouldnt surprise me if next season does not start much later than folk are saying, if it starts at all.

[Sir David Gray]

I agree about this season being done, you'd need to be pretty daft if you think this season is getting finished now.

I'm not sure next season wont be drastically affected too, we could be seeing something very different next season.

It wouldnt surprise me if next season does not start much later than folk are saying, if it starts at all.

I can't see us getting a full season in next season. We may be looking at this lasting for the majority of this year. I think it's optimistic to think the season will start as normal in July with the League Cup and in August with the league season.

[Andy74]

Seems to be anecdotal evidence that the areas where schools are open for kids of key workers is very low uptake. Some instances staff significantly outnumbering pupils present.

I think it'll change after Easter. Most people are just taking the advice to stay home just now and see it out for the next few weeks until there were holidays anyway. After Easter I suspect there will be more of a move back to the office and trying to get kids back to school for those people that are eligible.

I think there will be large number of people isolating just now as well if they've had family members with colds etc. so even if they wanted to send kids in to school they currently aren't leaving the house.

[kaimendhibs]

There's clearly issues around public transport too. Look at London for example. I'm aware of it's importance however difficult decisions require taking.

Sent from my Pixel 3a using TapatalkI work in Public Transport.

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[kaimendhibs]

I love His. Home and away season ticket holder.
But football is the least of my worries now

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[Hibeesmad]

I think ending the current season with the current league standings is the way to go.

[HibbyDave]

Please, please, please, just stay at home.

C’mon people you know it makes sense


FFS
Stay at home.

[BILLYHIBS]

I think ending the current season with the current league standings is the way to go.

Agree

F##k the Hearts

Now off you pop 😁

[Just_Jimmy]

I work in Public Transport.

Sent from my SM-G973F using TapatalkOk? Care to expand?

What I said is correct. London was still ridiculous last week. Hopefully now it will only be KEY workers using limited services.

This latest step is finally what is required.

I'll still be at work btw and still public facing.

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[NAE NOOKIE]

More interested in keeping my family safe and staying employed than football to be honest. Most people will be the same. Football will be at the bottom of people's priorities. Finishing it in the next few months is pure fantasy. Be surprised if another ball is kicked this year.

Of course the things you mention are top of everybody's priorities, including mine, and of course football is way down on folks list of priorities .... But it's getting to the stage where I wish I had a quid for every time I've seen somebody say it as if it was some sort of blinding revelation.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the end game here is to return society to normality and especially the normality of things folk enjoy doing other than the daily grind of work, shopping, getting the kids ready for school etc etc. Worrying about the return of football or even if your club will survive doesn't make you a bad person, socially unaware or ignorant of the current situation ..... If nothing else it's a distraction from the endless tide of reality facing us all every day and from that perspective its a good thing.

[CentreLine]

Of course the things you mention are top of everybody's priorities, including mine, and of course football is way down on folks list of priorities .... But it's getting to the stage where I wish I had a quid for every time I've seen somebody say it as if it was some sort of blinding revelation.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the end game here is to return society to normality and especially the normality of things folk enjoy doing other than the daily grind of work, shopping, getting the kids ready for school etc etc. Worrying about the return of football or even if your club will survive doesn't make you a bad person, socially unaware or ignorant of the current situation ..... If nothing else it's a distraction from the endless tide of reality facing us all every day and from that perspective its a good thing.

Well said. After all, this is a football forum.

[Since90+2]

Of course the things you mention are top of everybody's priorities, including mine, and of course football is way down on folks list of priorities .... But it's getting to the stage where I wish I had a quid for every time I've seen somebody say it as if it was some sort of blinding revelation.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the end game here is to return society to normality and especially the normality of things folk enjoy doing other than the daily grind of work, shopping, getting the kids ready for school etc etc. Worrying about the return of football or even if your club will survive doesn't make you a bad person, socially unaware or ignorant of the current situation ..... If nothing else it's a distraction from the endless tide of reality facing us all every day and from that perspective its a good thing.

Totally agree. It's entirely possible to consider both things at the same time. Most of us will have alot of spare time over the next few weeks.

[blackpoolhibs]

Does anyone now think this season will be finished before the next one starts?

[lapsedhibee]

Does anyone now think this season will be finished before the next one starts?

Next one hasn't started yet and this one is over, so - yes?

[lapsedhibee]

I work in Public Transport.




Care to expand?

Bus driver.

[blackpoolhibs]

Next one hasn't started yet and this one is over, so - yes?

:greengrin

[Onion]

https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/11962530/coronavirus-scottish-fa-tells-clubs-still-training-that-they-are-breaking-government-advice

SFA ordered clubs to stop training, but still have the fantasy of restarting the season in 5 weeks time ??

Crazy. Call the league, stop this nonsense not and let's start preparing for the new season.

[Just_Jimmy]

Bus driver.Again, that's good to know but doesn't expand on what I said in anyway.



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[Sir David Gray]

Does anyone now think this season will be finished before the next one starts?

I think we'll be playing both seasons on alternate weekends until the current season finishes. That would be different. :greengrin

[kaimendhibs]

Ok? Care to expand?

What I said is correct. London was still ridiculous last week. Hopefully now it will only be KEY workers using limited services.

This latest step is finally what is required.

I'll still be at work btw and still public facing.

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My mate in London said the trains are rammed today.


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[kaimendhibs]

Ok? Care to expand?

What I said is correct. London was still ridiculous last week. Hopefully now it will only be KEY workers using limited services.

This latest step is finally what is required.

I'll still be at work btw and still public facing.

Sent from my Pixel 3a using TapatalkI posted that because it wasn't on a list of key workers someone posted.
That's all mate

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[blackpoolhibs]

I think we'll be playing both seasons on alternate weekends until the current season finishes. That would be different. :greengrin

Scottish football is that rigged, they will probably play each game as league and cup, but the bigots will always play at home, cant have the masses travelling and spreading their germs.

[Just_Jimmy]

I posted that because it wasn't on a list of key workers someone posted.
That's all mate

Sent from my SM-G973F using TapatalkNo worries. Of course you guys are key. My point is that we really needed a shut down of society. Id say that even the current rules won't go far enough as there's still too much scope to flaunt them.

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[kaimendhibs]

No worries. Of course you guys are key. My point is that we really needed a shut down of society. Id say that even the current rules won't go far enough as there's still too much scope to flaunt them.

Sent from my Pixel 3a using TapatalkCheers mate. Was defo not trying to be clever. I agree with you 100 per cent

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[jacomo]

With clubs now told to stop training, I just cannot see the league returning to action. Possibly the three remaining Cup ties could be moved to beginning of next season.

[Sir David Gray]

With clubs now told to stop training, I just cannot see the league returning to action. Possibly the three remaining Cup ties could be moved to beginning of next season.

This season's done in my opinion. Time to look ahead to next season, whenever that may be.

[Drewster]

This season's done in my opinion. Time to look ahead to next season, whenever that may be.

Call the league now, and award average points gained on games played, so far, to the remaining games to be played. This would account for games in hand etc. and deal with disputes over champions and relegation.

[KeithTheHibby]

Would some be so keen to call the league as it is if we were bottom? Didn't think so.

FWIW I hope the leagues do finish - in England they are talking about playing games behind closed doors? If that is the case why can't the SPFL do this?

[Ozyhibby]

Would some be so keen to call the league as it is if we were bottom? Didn't think so.

FWIW I hope the leagues do finish - in England they are talking about playing games behind closed doors? If that is the case why can't the SPFL do this?

Nobody who is not advocating calling the league as it is has came up with a workable solution that the clubs can afford to do.


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[Drewster]

Would some be so keen to call the league as it is if we were bottom? Didn't think so.

FWIW I hope the leagues do finish - in England they are talking about playing games behind closed doors? If that is the case why can't the SPFL do this?

It’s the only sensible solution - no games before June predicted - squads completely different thereafter - also allows prize money to be distributed
to give Clubs cash flow!

[weecounty hibby]

Would some be so keen to call the league as it is if we were bottom? Didn't think so.

FWIW I hope the leagues do finish - in England they are talking about playing games behind closed doors? If that is the case why can't the SPFL do this?
Of course we wouldn't be happy with it. But that fact would be that we were bottom and had been for nearly three months, total dug***** and deservedly sat at the bottom. A solution needs to be found and stopping now is the obvious one
The English league can talk all they want about playing behind closed doors but apparently the players are not having any of it

[lord bunberry]

Nobody who is not advocating calling the league as it is has came up with a workable solution that the clubs can afford to do.


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Exactly. Once they call an end to the season they can get season tickets on sale and the money can start coming in again.

[WhileTheChief..]

That’s assuming there is a 2020/21 season at all.

My own view is that we won’t see any more football this year.

They could start a new season in say March and make the move to summer football permanent. Or there just might not be a football season until Summer 2021.

[Sir David Gray]

That’s assuming there is a 2020/21 season at all.

My own view is that we won’t see any more football this year.

They could start a new season in say March and make the move to summer football permanent. Or there just might not be a football season until Summer 2021.

I wouldn't be surprised at that.

[CockneyRebel]

That’s assuming there is a 2020/21 season at all.

My own view is that we won’t see any more football this year.

They could start a new season in say March and make the move to summer football permanent. Or there just might not be a football season until Summer 2021.


It's not beyond the realms of possibility that there won't be a season 2020-2021 at all. This virus could have longer legs than anyone has envisaged.

[Sir David Gray]

It's not beyond the realms of possibility that there won't be a season 2020-2021 at all. This virus could have longer legs than anyone has envisaged.

I don't think that should be dismissed at all.

[NAE NOOKIE]

Of course we wouldn't be happy with it. But that fact would be that we were bottom and had been for nearly three months, total dug***** and deservedly sat at the bottom. A solution needs to be found and stopping now is the obvious one
The English league can talk all they want about playing behind closed doors but apparently the players are not having any of it

Two squads 16 players each = 32.
Managers and coaching staff at least another 6.
Physios 2
Match officials 4
Minimal stadium staff required probably around lets say 5

That's 49 people all in the same place ....... Not happening for at least 3 months, probably more.

[Keith_M]

This season's done in my opinion. Time to look ahead to next season, whenever that may be.


:agree:


We might have reached the Semi Final but I'd be happy to just cancel the remaining three games and concentrate on (eventually) getting back to normality*.



* Or as close as it's possible for a Hibs Fan ;)

[snedzuk]

With clubs now told to stop training, I just cannot see the league returning to action. Possibly the three remaining Cup ties could be moved to beginning of next season.

Precedent for cup postponements

The 1968–69 Scottish League Cup (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scottish_League_Cup) Final was played on 5 April 1969 at Hampden Park (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hampden_Park) in Glasgow and was the final of the 23rd Scottish League Cup competition. The final was contested by Hibernian (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hibernian_F.C.) and Celtic (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celtic_F.C.). Celtic won a one-sided match by 6–2, with Bobby Lennox (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bobby_Lennox) scoring a hat-trick (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hat-trick).[1] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1969_Scottish_League_Cup_Final_(April)#cite_note-elite-1) Bertie Auld (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bertie_Auld), Jim Craig (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Craig_(Scottish_footballer)) and Willie Wallace (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Wallace_(footballer)) scored Celtic's other goals, while Jimmy O'Rourke (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jimmy_O%27Rourke) and Eric Stevenson (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eric_Stevenson_(footballer)) scored for Hibs.
The Final was originally scheduled for 28 October 1968, but was postponed until April because a fire destroyed part of the south stand at Hampden Park (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hampden_Park).[2] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1969_Scottish_League_Cup_Final_(April)#cite_note-FOOTNOTERobertsonRoss129-2)

[Ozyhibby]

That’s assuming there is a 2020/21 season at all.

My own view is that we won’t see any more football this year.

They could start a new season in say March and make the move to summer football permanent. Or there just might not be a football season until Summer 2021.

You can’t make that call yet though. Planning has to be made for starting in August for now. Anything else is beyond anyone’s know for now.


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[we are hibs]

Would some be so keen to call the league as it is if we were bottom? Didn't think so.

FWIW I hope the leagues do finish - in England they are talking about playing games behind closed doors? If that is the case why can't the SPFL do this?


Hibs arent bottom though. So its pretty irrelevant. They have been the worst team in Scotland for over a year running back into the 18/19 season. They can have no complaints when they are relegated.


That’s assuming there is a 2020/21 season at all.

My own view is that we won’t see any more football this year.

They could start a new season in say March and make the move to summer football permanent. Or there just might not be a football season until Summer 2021.


No clubs in scotland will survive until March with no football and no income. I think the season will start in September. In scotland the league cup will be scrapped and scottish cup replays scrapped. International breaks reduced. No qualifying rounds for europe.

[jacomo]

Two squads 16 players each = 32.
Managers and coaching staff at least another 6.
Physios 2
Match officials 4
Minimal stadium staff required probably around lets say 5

That's 49 people all in the same place ....... Not happening for at least 3 months, probably more.

[/B]


How about camera crew and reporters, ground staff and security?

You’d get to 100 people easily. But the bigger problem is that squads aren’t training together at the moment, so how do you get back up to speed for competitive matches?

[Ozyhibby]

How about camera crew and reporters, ground staff and security?

You’d get to 100 people easily. But the bigger problem is that squads aren’t training together at the moment, so how do you get back up to speed for competitive matches?

And lots of squads have foreign players. I’m assuming Omeonga went home to be with family. How do we get him back with the current travel restrictions?


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[stuart-farquhar]

That’s assuming there is a 2020/21 season at all.

My own view is that we won’t see any more football this year.

They could start a new season in say March and make the move to summer football permanent. Or there just might not be a football season until Summer 2021.

Looks like it. Maybe a half season next year

[theonlywayisup]

It's quite clear that some serious decisions need to be made soon. It's pretty obvious to many that there isn't going to be any football before the summer and it's going to impact greatly on the 2020/21 football season, not just in Scotland but worldwide. There's going to be football teams that will fold. There's going to be footballers without clubs and an income.

It might sound a bit pessimistic, but football as we know it won't survive. Those who invest in football are unlikely to have as much money to invest into it. IMO it's scandalous that we've players on £100k per week and above. That's got to stop and I'm hoping the football world post Coronavirus will be much better and fairer.

[Since90+2]

It's quite clear that some serious decisions need to be made soon. It's pretty obvious to many that there isn't going to be any football before the summer and it's going to impact greatly on the 2020/21 football season, not just in Scotland but worldwide. There's going to be football teams that will fold. There's going to be footballers without clubs and an income.

It might sound a bit pessimistic, but football as we know it won't survive. Those who invest in football are unlikely to have as much money to invest into it. IMO it's scandalous that we've players on £100k per week and above. That's got to stop and I'm hoping the football world post Coronavirus will be much better and fairer.

Football at the top end will undoubtedly survive. It will be the clubs at the bottom end of the scale who will go bust.

[JohnM1875]

FA cancel some non-league divisions

https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/11963052/fa-cancels-non-league-football-season-at-steps-five-and-six

[kaimendhibs]

Would some be so keen to call the league as it is if we were bottom? Didn't think so.

FWIW I hope the leagues do finish - in England they are talking about playing games behind closed doors? If that is the case why can't the SPFL do this?Got nowt to do with being keen. Are football clubs essential businesses and are players key workers.
This is life and death.
Not a chance this season will finish, no guarantee it will resume next season.
Despite Stuart Reagan saying it must finish

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[mjhibby]

With clubs now told to stop training, I just cannot see the league returning to action. Possibly the three remaining Cup ties could be moved to beginning of next season.

My thoughts too. We have at least another five to six weeks of these measures which is into may. There will at best be a gradual reduction of the measures if,and it's a massive if,it looks like the virus is slowing down. Players I doubt will be fit enough to play friendlies till early June and we are asking players to go right into league games And the cup ties having missed months of the season. It will be like two different seasons. Tough choices will have to be made as surely reality means this season has finished as the TV companies will want to make sure they have a full season coming up.This is of course assuming the virus doesn't run for months on end. Until we have a clear indication we are nearing the end game there is no point planning ahead. The spl and the snfa have both lobbied for the govt to declare the season over. If they can do that at least there can be a fluid plan for starting next season. I'll just be glad to come through this and get back running and playing/coaching. The spl is way down my list of priorities.

[mjhibby]

Got nowt to do with being keen. Are football clubs essential businesses and are players key workers.
This is life and death.
Not a chance this season will finish, no guarantee it will resume next season.
Despite Stuart Reagan saying it must finish

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Totally hairbrained for the likes of Regan and the epl to say the season must finish with no idea how this can be achieved. Once we get into July August it certainly won't feel like this season plus I'm sure millions will want to get away when/if we get some sort of all clear so crowds are likely to be well down. Too many folk forget the sheer logistics of finishing the season in the summer plus the things like relaying pitches etc which there won't be time for which will mean horrendous pitches around November/ December time.

[Ozyhibby]

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/spfl-ask-uefa-celtic-title-21748780


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[lord bunberry]

Ross McCrorrie from rangers has tested positive for Coronavirus.

[B.H.F.C]

Ross McCrorrie from rangers has tested positive for Coronavirus.

On loan at Portsmouth and a fair number of their team also tested positive.

[JimBHibees]

On loan at Portsmouth and a fair number of their team also tested positive.

They played Arsenal in the FA Cup not that long ago, not sure if connected to that.

[lord bunberry]

On loan at Portsmouth and a fair number of their team also tested positive.
Ah didn’t realise that.

[Ozyhibby]

If the new testing kits can hit the market in the next few days it may allow football to go ahead behind closed doors if everyone involved can be tested on the day?


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[lapsedhibee]

If the new testing kits can hit the market in the next few days it may allow football to go ahead behind closed doors if everyone involved can be tested on the day?


Not sure that works. Would depend on how long it takes after infection for IGG/IGM antibodies to show up on the test, wouldn't it?

[Ozyhibby]

Not sure that works. Would depend on how long it takes after infection for IGG/IGM antibodies to show up on the test, wouldn't it?

No idea. Just hoping that we can move on from this complete lockdown.


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[ballengeich]

If the new testing kits can hit the market in the next few days it may allow football to go ahead behind closed doors if everyone involved can be tested on the day?


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I could see the government wanting the resumption of televised games to boost public morale, so that's quite possible. It won't help the lower leagues though.

[Waxy]

Party, at Easter road, after the lockdown.

[Keyser Sauzee]

Sorry if it’s been posted earlier but is there any other live sport still continuing at the moment?

[jacomo]

If the new testing kits can hit the market in the next few days it may allow football to go ahead behind closed doors if everyone involved can be tested on the day?


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Surely the bigger problem is that squads are not training together at the moment.

Even if players are following fitness programmes to the letter, intensity will have dropped off. Restarting the season looks challenging.

[Sir David Gray]

Sorry if it’s been posted earlier but is there any other live sport still continuing at the moment?

I believe horse racing is continuing in Ireland behind closed doors and also in South Africa.

Table tennis is also continuing according to my app.

Apart from that, the Nicaraguan football season appears to be carrying on, I'm not sure you can pick up any matches on Sky or BT though!

[Sir David Gray]

I've just seen on Sky Sports News that St Mirren are offering free entry into one League Cup game and one pre-season friendly to all season ticket holders, instead of receiving a refund for this season.

That tells me that this season is over and they're confident of starting the new season in July. Or am I reading too much into that?

I suppose it may not necessarily mean that the new season will start in July but I think it does mean that they think this season is done.

[Phil MaGlass]

If the new testing kits can hit the market in the next few days it may allow football to go ahead behind closed doors if everyone involved can be tested on the day?


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I think there is no chance the new testing kits will go to football players(quite rightly). Hospitals, nurses police etc...

[Since452]

How many paramedics, doctors, police work at the football during an average Saturday? Must be frightening. Another reason football will be way down the priority list and rightly so. Even behind closed doors they'd need to make sure every player and member of staff was negative. Impossible without these tests and like another poster said they'll go to key workers first.

[mjhibby]

Surely the bigger problem is that squads are not training together at the moment.

Even if players are following fitness programmes to the letter, intensity will have dropped off. Restarting the season looks challenging.

If we return say in six weeks the players fitness levels will have dropped dramatically and games would be like preseason friendlies plus there is the risk of injury due to mistimed tackles. The authorities have to face up to the fact the season is finished apart maybe from the cup semis but if you finish the season that will mean finish it. How they finish it is another matter entirely.

[mjhibby]

I've just seen on Sky Sports News that St Mirren are offering free entry into one League Cup game and one pre-season friendly to all season ticket holders, instead of receiving a refund for this season.

That tells me that this season is over and they're confident of starting the new season in July. Or am I reading too much into that?

I suppose it may not necessarily mean that the new season will start in July but I think it does mean that they think this season is done.

Most clubs are facing up tothe reality. Budge faced up to it straight away hence the pay cut. Why do it when they hadn't missed a home game yet.

[mjhibby]

I believe horse racing is continuing in Ireland behind closed doors and also in South Africa.

Table tennis is also continuing according to my app.

Apart from that, the Nicaraguan football season appears to be carrying on, I'm not sure you can pick up any matches on Sky or BT though!

Racing stopped in Ireland now.

[erin go bragh]

Most clubs are facing up tothe reality. Budge faced up to it straight away hence the pay cut. Why do it when they hadn't missed a home game yet.
Because they have massively overspent . Keeping Harry Potter and Nanny McPhee on the wage bill . Paying Stendal and his assistant top dollar. Throw in what they are paying Boyce and that’s before you take in all the other players wages in their gigantic squad .
Their mystery benefactors have been keeping them afloat but with the uncertainty which has effected most businesses. They are up the s creek without a paddle . Imo .

[Ozyhibby]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/amp/football/52047550?__twitter_impression=true

Part payments made to clubs. Given the payments were made with current placings in mind, that suggests that final placings is the way they are going to go with regard to how the season finishes.


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[blackpoolhibs]

The owner of Forrest Green was on the radio this morning, he said there was no chance of this season getting finished now.

[CockneyRebel]

]If we return say in six weeks[/B] the players fitness levels will have dropped dramatically and games would be like preseason friendlies plus there is the risk of injury due to mistimed tackles. The authorities have to face up to the fact the season is finished apart maybe from the cup semis but if you finish the season that will mean finish it. How they finish it is another matter entirely.


More likely to be six months (and rising).

[Lee Marvin]

The owner of Forrest Green was on the radio this morning, he said there was no chance of this season getting finished now.

Unless the end of this season rolls over into August/Sept at the earliest, there can surely be nobody in Europe that thinks this season is getting finished!?!

Voiding is not going to happen - backed up further by the SPFL paying put part of the prize money to clubs early. If we don't push back next season, it will be final placing on current standings (or average points).

Hearts can only be saved by reconstruction, which is a possibility I am fearing.

[JimBHibees]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/amp/football/52047550?__twitter_impression=true

Part payments made to clubs. Given the payments were made with current placings in mind, that suggests that final placings is the way they are going to go with regard to how the season finishes.


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Seems a huge differential between top 3 and other spfl clubs.

[Ozyhibby]

Seems a huge differential between top 3 and other spfl clubs.

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200326/9e21902172127284aa2608d11371f474.plist
That’s the final disbursements. Some of that will already be paid.


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[nonshinyfinish]

Seems a huge differential between top 3 and other spfl clubs.

Presumably (I haven't checked the arithmetic) those three are guaranteed top six so they've been paid up to the amount that the sixth-placed club receives, as their final prize money can't be lower than that. I guess everyone else has been paid up to the amount that 12th place gets?

[Ozyhibby]

Presumably (I haven't checked the arithmetic) those three are guaranteed top six so they've been paid up to the amount that the sixth-placed club receives, as their final prize money can't be lower than that. I guess everyone else has been paid up to the amount that 12th place gets?

I’d say that’s what’s happened. Important thing is they are recognising league positions. If they were thinking null and void they would not be able to do that.


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[DH1875]

All English leagues below the national league level have to end. All results cancelled and no promotion or relegation. Think that's from the league below the conference all the way down.

[Lago]

The owner of Forrest Green was on the radio this morning, he said there was no chance of this season getting finished now.
Frankly I'm as worried about the new season starting.

[04Sauzee]

From the Sun 👀👀😳

A LEAKED document shows one blueprint for how post-coronavirus SPFL reconstruction could work - with a 14-team top flight and the top two teams in the championship promoted mid-season.

While the league hierarchy are not proposing league restructuring as a way out of the current crisis and have not produced any documents in this regard, certain clubs are keen to use the COVID-19 pandemic as a catalyst for making changes to the league structure.

⚠️ Read our coronavirus live blog for the latest news & updates on Covid-19





Using the current situation in the leagues as its starting point, Dundee United and Inverness are promoted into a 14-team top flight for next season, with Hearts retaining their Premiership status.

Rather than split into a top six halfway through the campaign, the league will split up after 26 games, with a top eight going on to battle it out for the title and the European spots.

The 26-game mark is also the point for the top two sides in the Championship to be promoted, to make up a bottom eight or 'Premier 2' league which can battle it out for the Premier 2 trophy, while others strive to avoid relegation.





These teams in the bottom half would have to start from scratch again as the two promoted Championship sides would have played a different number of games and their points tallies would not be a fair comparison.

Unlike the current system, of course, where the Championship winners are guaranteed of being promoted for a full season, aspiring teams in Scotland's second tier may only be promoted for half a season - or 14 - games before finding themselves relegated again.

The overall number of Scottish senior clubs would swell in this system, with two extra clubs admitted to regionalised North and South leagues at the bottom end of the Championship, although it is unclear whether these would be new teams admitted or colt sides, presumably with Celtic and Rangers first in line.

PAY DAY Celtic, Rangers and Motherwell ‘receive MORE money’ in handout than other clubs
There would be a series of play-offs at the bottom of the Premiership and Championship to comprise the make-up of each league at the start of the new campaign.


Any changes would need huge support from across the leagues, with 11-1 Premiership backing required, eight teams to support it from the Championship as well as strong support further down the leagues.

MOST READ

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Keep up to date with ALL the latest news and transfers at the Scottish Sun football page


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[Heisenberg]

That is the most ridiculous idea I’ve read so far. Wonder what nutter came up with that.

[Fuzzywuzzy]

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/rangers-europa-league-opponents-bayer-21760060

Chances of Celtic and the rangers doing that??

[Ozyhibby]

From the Sun [emoji102][emoji102][emoji15]

A LEAKED document shows one blueprint for how post-coronavirus SPFL reconstruction could work - with a 14-team top flight and the top two teams in the championship promoted mid-season.

While the league hierarchy are not proposing league restructuring as a way out of the current crisis and have not produced any documents in this regard, certain clubs are keen to use the COVID-19 pandemic as a catalyst for making changes to the league structure.

[emoji3544] Read our coronavirus live blog for the latest news & updates on Covid-19





Using the current situation in the leagues as its starting point, Dundee United and Inverness are promoted into a 14-team top flight for next season, with Hearts retaining their Premiership status.

Rather than split into a top six halfway through the campaign, the league will split up after 26 games, with a top eight going on to battle it out for the title and the European spots.

The 26-game mark is also the point for the top two sides in the Championship to be promoted, to make up a bottom eight or 'Premier 2' league which can battle it out for the Premier 2 trophy, while others strive to avoid relegation.





These teams in the bottom half would have to start from scratch again as the two promoted Championship sides would have played a different number of games and their points tallies would not be a fair comparison.

Unlike the current system, of course, where the Championship winners are guaranteed of being promoted for a full season, aspiring teams in Scotland's second tier may only be promoted for half a season - or 14 - games before finding themselves relegated again.

The overall number of Scottish senior clubs would swell in this system, with two extra clubs admitted to regionalised North and South leagues at the bottom end of the Championship, although it is unclear whether these would be new teams admitted or colt sides, presumably with Celtic and Rangers first in line.

PAY DAY Celtic, Rangers and Motherwell ‘receive MORE money’ in handout than other clubs
There would be a series of play-offs at the bottom of the Premiership and Championship to comprise the make-up of each league at the start of the new campaign.


Any changes would need huge support from across the leagues, with 11-1 Premiership backing required, eight teams to support it from the Championship as well as strong support further down the leagues.

MOST READ

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NO BROEx-Celtic ace Javier Sanchez-Broto makes 170 redundant and shuts firm over COVID-19








Keep up to date with ALL the latest news and transfers at the Scottish Sun football page


Tennis star Rafael Nadal calls on Spanish sports to help fight against covid-19

I can’t see 75% of clubs voting for a scheme like that.


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[we are hibs]

I hope Hibs vote against any idea of League reconstruction. I am not totally against it but a forced through, rushed proposal just to suit certain clubs agenda's is ridiculous and will come back to bite.

[bingo70]

I hope Hibs vote against any idea of League reconstruction. I am not totally against it but a forced through, rushed proposal just to suit certain clubs agenda's is ridiculous and will come back to bite.

It’s not being done to suit certain clubs agendas though.

It’s being done in response to a freak event and to find a solution that satisfies as many clubs as possible.

Imo if you forget it’s hearts it’s benefiting, then league reconstruction up to a 14 team league makes complete sense. That proposal that the Sun have published tonight is just complete nonsense though and unnecessarily complicated.

[B.H.F.C]

I can’t see 75% of clubs voting for a scheme like that.


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There is no danger the likes of Hamilton are going to vote for something like that. Less visits from the big sides in the league.

That said, I have a horrible feeling Hearts are going to wriggle out of this in some way.

[Ozyhibby]

It’s not being done to suit certain clubs agendas though.

It’s being done in response to a freak event and to find a solution that satisfies as many clubs as possible.

Imo if you forget it’s hearts it’s benefiting, then league reconstruction up to a 14 team league makes complete sense. That proposal that the Sun have published tonight is just complete nonsense though and unnecessarily complicated.

If 14 teams makes complete sense then why have we not done it before?


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[we are hibs]

It’s not being done to suit certain clubs agendas though.

It’s being done in response to a freak event and to find a solution that satisfies as many clubs as possible.

Imo if you forget it’s hearts it’s benefiting, then league reconstruction up to a 14 team league makes complete sense. That proposal that the Sun have published tonight is just complete nonsense though and unnecessarily complicated.


14 teams makes no sense to me. Should be 16 if it ever happens and it needs to be well thought out and prepared. Not rushed through. I dont see any valid reason for changing the leagues at this moment in time. Far too many complications at the minute.

[Waxy]

Nobody wants reconsruction.If we’ve played most of the season then end it.Pay out the clubs.This is football and a precedent has to be set.
Viruses are real and will happen again and again through time.
Just end it. Pay out the clubs.
Chuck relegated teams extra umbrella cash to compensate.
Also playoff position teams, give them extra cash.
Finish it.

[mjhibby]

All English leagues below the national league level have to end. All results cancelled and no promotion or relegation. Think that's from the league below the conference all the way down.

These leagues only pay their players till end of April/ mid may. They didn't have any alternative. Expunging results is easiest way to deal with it. Won't work higher up due to vast revenues at stake.

[jacomo]

If it’s too complicated, it won’t work. The idea of bringing a couple of teams from the division below up part way through the season to create a new mini league is a total nonsense - it would lead to loads of meaningless games prior to the split.

Joke proposal.

[Ozyhibby]

Nobody wants reconsruction.If we’ve played most of the season then end it.Pay out the clubs.This is football and a precedent has to be set.
Viruses are real and will happen again and again through time.
Just end it. Pay out the clubs.
Chuck relegated teams extra umbrella cash to compensate.
Also playoff position teams, give them extra cash.
Finish it.

There is zero extra cash to be thrown around. Every penny is a prisoner now.


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[Ozyhibby]

If it’s too complicated, it won’t work. The idea of bringing a couple of teams from the division below up part way through the season to create a new mini league is a total nonsense - it would lead to loads of meaningless games prior to the split.

Joke proposal.

Absolutely. What happens to the league below that suddenly has less teams?


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[Not In The Know]

I can’t see 75% of clubs voting for a scheme like that.


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I quite like that format. Lets introduce it in 2021-22 after we call it a day for this season.

[James Stephen]

Also, what about the principle here.

If league positions are not to count, then the have to not count for everyone.

And why is picking Inverness over the other teams in the playoff positions any more fair?

I dont understand why there is any push to create a panic, emergency rushed through reconstructed league as a result of this crisis? Its just further complicating the situation.

Occam's Razor - either cancel the league placings, distribute the prize money equally among all 12 teams and draw lots for European places and scrap the Scottish Cup (id leave the league cup because that was completed), or go with placings as they are.

The only other way i think would be fair would be to award average points for remaining matches.

There simply is no solution that suits everyone, someone is going to be annoyed whatever way we cut it.

[PeckythePenguin]

If you are 3rd in the Championship when the split comes around then you have nothing to play for. The only thing would be to avoid relegation but if you are 3rd there’s be a good chance you’d already be pretty safe.

[jacomo]

According to the BBC, the SPFL is making advance part-payment to clubs imminently.

[danhibees1875]

I don't see why the decision isn't simply to finish the current league campaign whenever we have the opportunity to do so, and then depending on when that happens decide how to progress into the following years.

If we can finish it in June/July then you could just about squeeze out the next season as normal. A few extra midweek games and no winter break.

If it's October/November, then the 20/21 season becomes a half season, play each other twice only starting in January.

If it's not until Jan/Feb 2021 then just fill some time with an extended Scottish cup (group stages) or one off British cup therefore skipping 20/21 and then starting 21/22 as normal.

Unless I'm missing a flaw it's by far the fairest way to ensure that no competitive games already played were pointless, no one loses out on titles and cups they almost won, and no-one unfairly escapes or is burdened with relegation that wasn't decided by football games.

[Waxy]

If they arent going to end the season as the positions are now then they must wait and play it out. Not bring up some fantasy solution.
We played almost all the season and it HAS TO COUNT.

[Green Badger]

Does anyone know if league reconstruction is being either discussed or seriously considered by any other top flight leagues in Europe to deal with this issue?

[Ozyhibby]

I don't see why the decision isn't simply to finish the current league campaign whenever we have the opportunity to do so, and then depending on when that happens decide how to progress into the following years.

If we can finish it in June/July then you could just about squeeze out the next season as normal. A few extra midweek games and no winter break.

If it's October/November, then the 20/21 season becomes a half season, play each other twice only starting in January.

If it's not until Jan/Feb 2021 then just fill some time with an extended Scottish cup (group stages) or one off British cup therefore skipping 20/21 and then starting 21/22 as normal.

Unless I'm missing a flaw it's by far the fairest way to ensure that no competitive games already played were pointless, no one loses out on titles and cups they almost won, and no-one unfairly escapes or is burdened with relegation that wasn't decided by football games.

Money. July is when Euro comps start (maybe)so it has to be done by end of June.
None of the clubs can afford to cut down next season at all. Half seasons etc would send most clubs to the wall including ours. We have massive overheads and if we suddenly start playing half seasons then our income would half as well. We would be bust within the year along with every other team in Scotland.


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[Waxy]

Money. July is when Euro comps start (maybe)so it has to be done by end of June.
None of the clubs can afford to cut down next season at all. Half seasons etc would send most clubs to the wall including ours. We have massive overheads and if we suddenly start playing half seasons then our income would half as well. We would be bust within the year along with every other team in Scotland.


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If thats the case then i can see all the leagues given extra time to finish the seasons. We’ll be playing saturday/midweek all next season and the player will have to count now as their break. Suppose that makes most sense.If we cant get restarted by july/august then football is in massive trouble.

[SHODAN]

From the Sun 👀👀😳

A LEAKED document shows one blueprint for how post-coronavirus SPFL reconstruction could work - with a 14-team top flight and the top two teams in the championship promoted mid-season.

While the league hierarchy are not proposing league restructuring as a way out of the current crisis and have not produced any documents in this regard, certain clubs are keen to use the COVID-19 pandemic as a catalyst for making changes to the league structure.

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Using the current situation in the leagues as its starting point, Dundee United and Inverness are promoted into a 14-team top flight for next season, with Hearts retaining their Premiership status.

Rather than split into a top six halfway through the campaign, the league will split up after 26 games, with a top eight going on to battle it out for the title and the European spots.

The 26-game mark is also the point for the top two sides in the Championship to be promoted, to make up a bottom eight or 'Premier 2' league which can battle it out for the Premier 2 trophy, while others strive to avoid relegation.





These teams in the bottom half would have to start from scratch again as the two promoted Championship sides would have played a different number of games and their points tallies would not be a fair comparison.

Unlike the current system, of course, where the Championship winners are guaranteed of being promoted for a full season, aspiring teams in Scotland's second tier may only be promoted for half a season - or 14 - games before finding themselves relegated again.

The overall number of Scottish senior clubs would swell in this system, with two extra clubs admitted to regionalised North and South leagues at the bottom end of the Championship, although it is unclear whether these would be new teams admitted or colt sides, presumably with Celtic and Rangers first in line.

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There would be a series of play-offs at the bottom of the Premiership and Championship to comprise the make-up of each league at the start of the new campaign.


Any changes would need huge support from across the leagues, with 11-1 Premiership backing required, eight teams to support it from the Championship as well as strong support further down the leagues.

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That is ****ing stupid.

It's just the 12-12 to 8-8-8 idea flouted years ago but with an imbalance of clubs. At least the 8-8-8 thing made some sort of sense.

[Waxy]

Whatever much money club 12 wins could be payed out now. Then when the final finishing position are confirmed the balance due gets paid. Club 12 will obviously get £0.
This would buy enough time till its restarted.

[danhibees1875]

Money. July is when Euro comps start (maybe)so it has to be done by end of June.
None of the clubs can afford to cut down next season at all. Half seasons etc would send most clubs to the wall including ours. We have massive overheads and if we suddenly start playing half seasons then our income would half as well. We would be bust within the year along with every other team in Scotland.


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A few spanners in the works there! I think my solution is best from a footballing stand point - but you're right, the finances might dictate it as not being feasible.

Intersting point on the European competitions. I guess they'd be complicated regardless of the decision. The only reason they'd need a null or "as is" league decision would be if they were going to be the first competition to kick off post-virus, which they may well be, and it would also depend on what they do with their 19/20 competitions (they might want to finish them in a similar way as I'd proposed for the leagues).

The clubs finances are definitely a good point. You're right that some of my solutions would take away some income - to the tune of about 8 league games (the number of games that fans would be getting "free" if the league was continued rather than starting and paying for new games). The only times I'd suggested anything less than a full season were instances where a full season would be unlikely anyway given the return date.

The option with the half season I put forward was under the situation where football couldn't be played until October/November time. Would the option of having a full season and receiving a full season's worth of ticket income even be possible by that point? :dunno:

From what I put forward I think, and certainly hope, the most likely outcome is we're back up and running with football in May/June (fitness and likelihood of injury might throw another spanner in the works). At that point, finishing the leagues (and European comps) from where we left off and starting everything a little later but having full 20/21 versions is still an option which maintains revenues.

[nonshinyfinish]

Whatever much money club 12 wins could be payed out now. Then when the final finishing position are confirmed the balance due gets paid. Club 12 will obviously get £0.
This would buy enough time till its restarted.

I think that's effectively what's already happened with the payment released this week. The amounts are much smaller than you might expect because the prize money (up to the limit of the amount 12th place gets) is routinely paid out in installments across the season, so the clubs have already had a fair amount of it.

[Wakeyhibee]

According to the BBC, the SPFL is making advance part-payment to clubs imminently.

If they do intend on finishing the season why not pay out the biggest part of the final position payments?

You could give everyone the equivalent of last place as a minimum to help clubs through this. What is £1200 gonna do for league 2 clubs?????

[James Stephen]

A few spanners in the works there! I think my solution is best from a footballing stand point - but you're right, the finances might dictate it as not being feasible.

Intersting point on the European competitions. I guess they'd be complicated regardless of the decision. The only reason they'd need a null or "as is" league decision would be if they were going to be the first competition to kick off post-virus, which they may well be, and it would also depend on what they do with their 19/20 competitions (they might want to finish them in a similar way as I'd proposed for the leagues).

The clubs finances are definitely a good point. You're right that some of my solutions would take away some income - to the tune of about 8 league games (the number of games that fans would be getting "free" if the league was continued rather than starting and paying for new games). The only times I'd suggested anything less than a full season were instances where a full season would be unlikely anyway given the return date.

The option with the half season I put forward was under the situation where football couldn't be played until October/November time. Would the option of having a full season and receiving a full season's worth of ticket income even be possible by that point? :dunno:

From what I put forward I think, and certainly hope, the most likely outcome is we're back up and running with football in May/June (fitness and likelihood of injury might throw another spanner in the works). At that point, finishing the leagues (and European comps) from where we left off and starting everything a little later but having full 20/21 versions is still an option which maintains revenues.

We wont be playing fitba in May. Govt think virus will peak April into May.

[Waxy]

I think that's effectively what's already happened with the payment released this week. The amounts are much smaller than you might expect because the prize money (up to the limit of the amount 12th place gets) is routinely paid out in installments across the season, so the clubs have already had a fair amount of it.

Pretty sure they’ll find the best solution. Think it will involved waiting and finishing the season whenever possible.

[Ozyhibby]

Pretty sure they’ll find the best solution. Think it will involved waiting and finishing the season whenever possible.

Zero chance of that I think.


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[Waxy]

Zero chance of that I think.


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All the clubs need the money. Simply throwing money away by not finishing the season.

[Ozyhibby]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/amp/football/52063373?__twitter_impression=true

Another meeting without a decision although at least they now accept there won’t be football till August.


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[SteveHFC]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/amp/football/52063373?__twitter_impression=true

Another meeting without a decision although at least they now accept there won’t be football till August.


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Season should be ended now.

[Eyrie]

A few spanners in the works there! I think my solution is best from a footballing stand point - but you're right, the finances might dictate it as not being feasible.

Intersting point on the European competitions. I guess they'd be complicated regardless of the decision. The only reason they'd need a null or "as is" league decision would be if they were going to be the first competition to kick off post-virus, which they may well be, and it would also depend on what they do with their 19/20 competitions (they might want to finish them in a similar way as I'd proposed for the leagues).

The clubs finances are definitely a good point. You're right that some of my solutions would take away some income - to the tune of about 8 league games (the number of games that fans would be getting "free" if the league was continued rather than starting and paying for new games). The only times I'd suggested anything less than a full season were instances where a full season would be unlikely anyway given the return date.

The option with the half season I put forward was under the situation where football couldn't be played until October/November time. Would the option of having a full season and receiving a full season's worth of ticket income even be possible by that point? :dunno:

From what I put forward I think, and certainly hope, the most likely outcome is we're back up and running with football in May/June (fitness and likelihood of injury might throw another spanner in the works). At that point, finishing the leagues (and European comps) from where we left off and starting everything a little later but having full 20/21 versions is still an option which maintains revenues.
The other spanner in the works is player contracts which expire at the end of May.

Can't force players to continue playing until October or November on deals that have finished. We've already seen one unscrupulous club attempt to exploit the players, so can hardly blame any players who stand up for themselves.