Could Coronavirus see the football season ended early?

[bigwheel]

The fairest way for me would be to stop any incoming transfers and just leave teams to play with whatever they’ve got left/youth players.

Would be bold....but I can’t see it happening....can’t see the league being completed...too complex


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[lapsedhibee]

Very true. My dad is 82 and not long out of hospital after having traetment for bowel cancer. I obviously wouldn't visit him if I felt I had any symptoms, but think a wee bit of persepective is needed at times when everything appears to be all doom and gloom.

You can pass it on whether or not you 'feel you have any symptoms'.

[DH1875]

Very true. My dad is 82 and not long out of hospital after having traetment for bowel cancer. I obviously wouldn't visit him if I felt I had any symptoms, but think a wee bit of persepective is needed at times when everything appears to be all doom and gloom.

What will you do if he gets it before you? I bet you'll be round there in a shot, helping the old boy out like most of us would and will with family. Government have no chance keeping the elderly isolated.

[bigwheel]

I can see a scenario that will save Hearts from relegation....Dundee United and ICT promoted. three teams relegated the next season to rebalance the books.....will likely keep most clubs happy...


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[pontius pilate]

I can see Celtic being champions and a reformed 14 team league with promotion across all leagues just no relegation, somebody mentioned transfers how would that work globally as well with the risk still around would players be willing to travel and sign for new clubs, hopefully ot allows us as a club to lick up decent scottish talent hopefully not at inflated prices as clubs try to recoup some losses incurred

[Ozyhibby]

The fairest way for me would be to stop any incoming transfers and just leave teams to play with whatever they’ve got left/youth players.

Killie will only have 4 players after May. Doesn’t seem fair to me.


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[Ozyhibby]

I can see Celtic being champions and a reformed 14 team league with promotion across all leagues just no relegation, somebody mentioned transfers how would that work globally as well with the risk still around would players be willing to travel and sign for new clubs, hopefully ot allows us as a club to lick up decent scottish talent hopefully not at inflated prices as clubs try to recoup some losses incurred

There is a reason we don’t have a 14 team league now. The clubs don’t want it. They don’t want the money shared 14 ways and the TV companies don’t want it either.


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[bigwheel]

There is a reason we don’t have a 14 team league now. The clubs don’t want it. They don’t want the money shared 14 ways and the TV companies don’t want it either.


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Agree...but they may do it for one season to sort out this very unusual situation....

Fingers crossed they just relegate Hearts [emoji2]

[Moulin Yarns]

Killie will only have 4 players after May. Doesn’t seem fair to me.


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But if there is a ban on incoming transfers then there is effectively a ban on outgoing transfers as well? No?

[Steven79]

But if there is a ban on incoming transfers then there is effectively a ban on outgoing transfers as well? No?How can you stop players leaving if their contracts are up?

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[Keith_M]

Apparently Jordan has announced six new cases of Coronavirus.


Just how many children does that woman have????




(credit goes to my missus for that one :wink:)

[Ozyhibby]

Agree...but they may do it for one season to sort out this very unusual situation....

Fingers crossed they just relegate Hearts [emoji2]

Clubs are already losing money. They are desperate to get to next season and the new sky deal. Sharing it with more clubs is not on the agenda. And Sky don’t want it either.


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[Moulin Yarns]

How can you stop players leaving if their contracts are up?

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Who will know when football will start again? Clubs will be losing money with no income until there's clarity so won't be able to afford to sign players.

Players can leave but with no guarantee of finding another club.

[Ozyhibby]

But if there is a ban on incoming transfers then there is effectively a ban on outgoing transfers as well? No?

I said it yesterday, if a player is about to sign a three year deal starting in August, he’s not going to risk injury to sign for one month to play for his old club.


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[bigwheel]

Who will know when football will start again? Clubs will be losing money with no income until there's clarity so won't be able to afford to sign players.

That’s fair , but if they are not contracted, they can’t play ....teams won’t want to resign players they want to exit, and players out for a new club won’t sign a new contract either ..it’s too complex - guaranteed the season isn’t completed

[Moulin Yarns]

I said it yesterday, if a player is about to sign a three year deal starting in August, he’s not going to risk injury to sign for one month to play for his old club.


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See above. Which clubs will be in a position where they can afford to sign players.

[bigwheel]

See above. Which clubs will be in a position where they can afford to sign players.

The good players will get new clubs ...and they won’t sign contracts to restrict them

[Moulin Yarns]

The good players will get new clubs ...and they won’t sign contracts to restrict them

Will hearts be able to sign the next Lionel Messi if there is no money coming into the club.

[bigwheel]

Will hearts be able to sign the next Lionel Messi if there is no money coming into the club.

Bit early for drink isn’t it ? [emoji6]

[Hibbyradge]

It seems that loads of folk get it very mild too. I’m not entirely sure of the value of all these ‘here is my experience of having coronavirus’ articles tbh. No-one is going to write an article to say ‘yeah, I got a mild cough and a bit of a temp for couple of days’.

I've not read any accounts of people who have only had mild symptoms. Are there any?

[Moulin Yarns]

Bit early for drink isn’t it ? [emoji6]

On the one hand Ozy is saying Kilmarnock will only have 4 players while on other hand some think transfers will continue as normal. My point is that the clubs will struggle to be able to afford to sign players, with or without fees, because they will not be able pay any fees or wages until they are getting income themselves.

The talk is of some clubs going bust, Kilmarnock possibly being one of them.

[Hibbyradge]

Apparently Jordan has announced six new cases of Coronavirus.


Just how many children does that woman have????


(credit goes to my missus for that one :wink:)

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[Hibbyradge]

Over 70s will be told to self isolate soon and it's likely to last for several months.

The football season isn't re-starting any time soon.

In fact, it isn't re-starting.

So void or promote 2 from the championship seem to be the remaining options.

[04Sauzee]

Watching that Sunday supplement thing on sky and all the journalists there have said the football season will finish, there is no chance that it wont finish 👀

[bigwheel]

On the one hand Ozy is saying Kilmarnock will only have 4 players while on other hand some think transfers will continue as normal. My point is that the clubs will struggle to be able to afford to sign players, with or without fees, because they will not be able pay any fees or wages until they are getting income themselves.

The talk is of some clubs going bust, Kilmarnock possibly being one of them.

MY. You are suggesting there may be ways to complete the league ...there are..but a few of us are pointing out some of the barriers to that - a big one being that players go out of contract .

There will be many clubs who have money issues - for sure ..yet there will also be clubs across many countries who have decent budgets ..some
Clubs may think there will be good value out there and be even more aggressive about not signing on existing on players

I simply think these contractual situations will stop any likelihood of the leagues being completed ..

We are all just speculating aren’t we..as I’m not even sure the spfl know what they are going to do yet ..unchartered territory

[Ozyhibby]

Over 70s will be told to self isolate soon and it's likely to last for several months.

The football season isn't re-starting any time soon.

In fact, it isn't re-starting.

So void or promote 2 from the championship seem to be the remaining options.

That’s just not true. The favoured option just now according to the BBC and Sun is to finish with current league positions.


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[Hibbyradge]

That’s just not true. The favoured option just now according to the BBC and Sun is to finish with current league positions.


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Yes, I should have included that. :doh:

There's no chance the season will finish, imo.

[bingo70]

Over 70s will be told to self isolate soon and it's likely to last for several months.

The football season isn't re-starting any time soon.

In fact, it isn't re-starting.

So void or promote 2 from the championship seem to be the remaining options.

Apparently they can’t void the league as it would allow the TV companies to sue the league for the money they have paid them.

[Moulin Yarns]

Apparently they can’t void the league as it would allow the TV companies to sue the league for the money they have paid them.

Field days for contract lawyers.

[HFC93]

I'm surprised people keep suggesting that they could promote two from the Championship.

Inverness are only in a play-off spot. Dundee and Ayr would be raging and would challenge the decision

[Hibbyradge]

I'm surprised people keep suggesting that they could promote two from the Championship.

Inverness are only in a play-off spot. Dundee and Ayr would be raging and would challenge the decision

There's no perfect solution. Someone's nose is going to be out of joint whatever happens.

[tamig]

I'm surprised people keep suggesting that they could promote two from the Championship.

Inverness are only in a play-off spot. Dundee and Ayr would be raging and would challenge the decision

Are they not talking about England? Only automatic promotion could be considered.

[MagicSwirlingShip]

There's no perfect solution. Someone's nose is going to be out of joint whatever happens.

Finish as it is now, average points or whatever.

Do the playoffs once we have a set date for the restart

[MagicSwirlingShip]

Lots of talk here about legal challenges. Clubs will be skint, lawyers are expensive.

Make a decision that ensures future TV revenue and clubs will fall into line

[Ozyhibby]

Lots of talk here about legal challenges. Clubs will be skint, lawyers are expensive.

Make a decision that ensures future TV revenue and clubs will fall into line

And the spfl rules forbid legal challenges. They are a members org. Take them to court and you are automatically suspended.


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[Lago]

There's no perfect solution. Someone's nose is going to be out of joint whatever happens.
Yeah, mine if they try & tell me to stay in the house for 4 months, FREEDOM!!! 😊

[Fuzzywuzzy]

Heard on the radio this morning hearts are still advertising their mothers day lunch?? You would think that would be pulled?

[scooby]

Yeah, mine if they try & tell me to stay in the house for 4 months, FREEDOM!!! 😊

This whole situation is becoming ridiculous, and is challenging peoples freedom.
It's controlling the population with fear, and all the sheeple are just falling in line.
Where are all the tv interviews with the hundreds of people who have had the virus and made a full recovery.
Time to open your eyes and free your mind.

[angus hibby]

All grassroots football off too which I think is a bit OTT. Kids football, amateur football etc should all be going ahead. Think English football carrying on as normal at these levels.

[James Stephen]

This whole situation is becoming ridiculous, and is challenging peoples freedom.
It's controlling the population with fear, and all the sheeple are just falling in line.
Where are all the tv interviews with the hundreds of people who have had the virus and made a full recovery.
Time to open your eyes and free your mind.

Theres always one!🐵

[Hibbyradge]

This whole situation is becoming ridiculous, and is challenging peoples freedom.
It's controlling the population with fear, and all the sheeple are just falling in line.
Where are all the tv interviews with the hundreds of people who have had the virus and made a full recovery.
Time to open your eyes and free your mind.

https://twitter.com/drkiki/status/1237438863053737985?s=19

[Captain Trips]

This whole situation is becoming ridiculous, and is challenging peoples freedom.
It's controlling the population with fear, and all the sheeple are just falling in line.
Where are all the tv interviews with the hundreds of people who have had the virus and made a full recovery.
Time to open your eyes and free your mind.

Agreed

[calumhibee1]

See Rooney reckons footballers were being treated like guinea pigs because they had to potentially work. Obviously doesn’t realise that the thousands of people that pay his astronomical wages are still having to work while he’s getting to stay at home away from it all.

[Tambo]

Sorry if already posted but just come across this.

The Scottish FA are considering playing the 2019-20*Scottish Cup*semis and final at the start of the new campaign as the coronavirus shuts down sport all over the world.*

[scooby]

https://twitter.com/drkiki/status/1237438863053737985?s=19

The best thing healthy people can do is actually contract the virus, because only then will your body develop immunity. It goes without saying that you need to be more careful around those more vulnerable.

My 78 year old mum is recovering from cancer and her words this morning were that there is zero chance of anyone confining her.
Her view is that something is going to kill her at some point, but there is no chance she's hiding in the house for months on end, as she might as well be dead already.

[Captain Trips]

The best thing healthy people can do is actually contract the virus, because only then will your body develop immunity. It goes without saying that you need to be more careful around those more vulnerable.

My 78 year old mum is recovering from cancer and her words this morning were that there is zero chance of anyone confining her.
Her view is that something is going to kill her at some point, but there is no chance she's hiding in the house for months on end, as she might as well be dead already.


My Mum would perhaps be alive today if we self isolated in 2014. She caught flu like virus and was already ill that finished her. 100s of people die in every country that if we had self isolated from everything would be alive.Boris saying we will lose people before their time?? Effing lose 1000s a year before their time in things we catch

[Hibbyradge]

My Mum would perhaps be alive today if we self isolated in 2014. She caught flu like virus and was already ill that finished her. 100s of people die in every country that if we had self isolated from everything would be alive.

Have you heard about the attempts to "flatten the curve"?

[660]

This whole situation is becoming ridiculous, and is challenging peoples freedom.
It's controlling the population with fear, and all the sheeple are just falling in line.
Where are all the tv interviews with the hundreds of people who have had the virus and made a full recovery.
Time to open your eyes and free your mind.

Attitudes like this will lead to the deaths of thousands of people m

[Rosevillehibby]

Theres always one!🐵

i think maybe he is suggesting some perspective is required...

approx 2000 deaths from winter flu between dec 18-mar 19 in Scotland ....as per most health models, the mortality rate from current virus will be no worse than this... so what makes covid virus more serious than winter flw

the reaction in the UK (and world) is disproportionate to the threat to life ...I know this seems harsh to say this when many of us may be worried about family and friends but this threat is with us every year.............

[WoreTheGreen]

See Rooney reckons footballers were being treated like guinea pigs because they had to potentially work. Obviously doesn’t realise that the thousands of people that pay his astronomical wages are still having to work while he’s getting to stay at home away from it all.

He better give the grannies a swerve

[scooby]

Attitudes like this will lead to the deaths of thousands of people m

Nonsense, if you're healthy the best thing you can do is catch it and develop immunity.

[Captain Trips]

Have you heard about the attempts to "flatten the curve"?

Yes

[Captain Trips]

He better give the grannies a swerve

Ooft, belter of a remark.

[Hibbyradge]

i think maybe he is suggesting some perspective is required...

approx 2000 deaths from winter flu between dec 18-mar 19 in Scotland ....as per most health models, the mortality rate from current virus will be no worse than this... so what makes covid virus more serious than winter flw

the reaction in the UK (and world) is disproportionate to the threat to life ...I know this seems harsh to say this when many of us may be worried about family and friends but this threat is with us every year.............

People are vaccinated against flu.

No-one is vaccinated against coronavirus.

Globally, the World Health Organization (WHO) estimates that the flu kills 290,000 to 650,000 people per year.

[scooby]

i think maybe he is suggesting some perspective is required...

approx 2000 deaths from winter flu between dec 18-mar 19 in Scotland ....as per most health models, the mortality rate from current virus will be no worse than this... so what makes covid virus more serious than winter flw

the reaction in the UK (and world) is disproportionate to the threat to life ...I know this seems harsh to say this when many of us may be worried about family and friends but this threat is with us every year.............

Exactly, there is an agenda in the media to spread fear over this particular virus, which the reality of the mortality rate doesn't justify.

[Hibbyradge]

Nonsense, if you're healthy the best thing you can do is catch it and develop immunity.

Yes, for the healthy person it might be, but what about all the people they infect before isolating?

[Hibbyradge]

Exactly, there is an agenda in the media to spread fear over this particular virus, which the reality of the mortality rate doesn't justify.

A global agenda?

[Captain Trips]

People are vaccinated against flu.

No-one is vaccinated against coronavirus.

Globally, the World Health Organization (WHO) estimates that the flu kills 290,000 to 650,000 people per year.

That makes flu worse then if still dying in UK and have a vaccine

[Captain Trips]

i think maybe he is suggesting some perspective is required...

approx 2000 deaths from winter flu between dec 18-mar 19 in Scotland ....as per most health models, the mortality rate from current virus will be no worse than this... so what makes covid virus more serious than winter flw

the reaction in the UK (and world) is disproportionate to the threat to life ...I know this seems harsh to say this when many of us may be worried about family and friends but this threat is with us every year.............

The flu thing is to be deemed irrelevant we are told.

[scooby]

Yes, for the healthy person it might be, but what about all the people they infect before isolating?

The only way to counteract the virus is to develop herd immunity within society, we can't all hide in a cupboard for months on end. You have to come out at some point and the chances are you're going to catch it.
The fact is that it's not going to be any worse than the flu for the vast majority of people.
If everyone is more careful around those more vulnerable we can minimise the risk to them.

[The 90+2]

Exactly, there is an agenda in the media to spread fear over this particular virus, which the reality of the mortality rate doesn't justify.

What exactly would the agenda be? The media are going to lose millions in this also.

[Rosevillehibby]

People are vaccinated against flu.

No-one is vaccinated against coronavirus.

Globally, the World Health Organization (WHO) estimates that the flu kills 290,000 to 650,000 people per year.



Fair point!

Bu then uptake of vaccine in Scotland is only about 50% (this figure is from last year - higher in older age groups and in in our more affluent areas)

Flu also has wider reach across all age groups - currently co-vid virus is disproportionately concentrated in older population (in western economies)

I am not though saying Covid is less serious jus that flu is as serious as threat if not more, yet despite vaccinations there is still a high number of winter flu deaths yet without the large scale panic that has accompanied co-vid

[eezyrider]

That makes flu worse then if still dying in UK and have a vaccine

There are many different strains of flu. The people that die usually haven't been vaccinated or haven't been vaccinated against the strain that kills them.

Once you have the flu a vaccine is no use as it can only prevent.

EZ

[660]

The only way to counteract the virus is to develop herd immunity within society, we can't all hide in a cupboard for months on end. You have to come out at some point and the chances are you're going to catch it.
The fact is that it's not going to be any worse than the flu for the vast majority of people.
If everyone is more careful around those more vulnerable we can minimise the risk to them.

You are dangerously ignorant

[Captain Trips]

You are dangerously ignorant

Maybe you are?

[scooby]

A global agenda?

There has been a media frenzy regarding this virus, which is not justified by the mortality rate, so if you're able to think for yourself, make your own mind up.
The coronavirus doesn't even meet WHO's own criteria to declare it a pandemic.

[Fuzzywuzzy]

Agenda 21

[scooby]

You are dangerously ignorant

I'm gloriously free actually, and refuse to feed on the fear.
Maybe if you took the time to actually research the facts rather than believing the media line you would be able to see what's actually playing out here.
The danger of Covid 19 is being seriously overstated.

[scooby]

Agenda 21

It's definitely starting to play out.

[scooby]

What exactly would the agenda be? The media are going to lose millions in this also.

The mainstream media work hand in hand with governments and big business and like it or not, the narrative is carefully controlled.

[Hibbyradge]

The mainstream media work hand in hand with governments and big business and like it or not, the narrative is carefully controlled.

Why are no other countries "thinking for themselves" and treating this just like seasonal flu?

Why are South Korean soldiers roaming the streets disinfecting them?

Why has Austria banned gatherings of over 5 people?

Etc etc etc

[Moulin Yarns]

Scottish Rugby offers half a million pounds to support clubs.

SFA have no money.

Why does football put up with such incompetence.

[Lago]

This whole situation is becoming ridiculous, and is challenging peoples freedom.
It's controlling the population with fear, and all the sheeple are just falling in line.
Where are all the tv interviews with the hundreds of people who have had the virus and made a full recovery.
Time to open your eyes and free your mind.
Can I point out my comment was made as being light hearted, there is a problem which people need to take & act with responsibility.

[pacoluna]

Nonsense, if you're healthy the best thing you can do is catch it and develop immunity.

The immunity is short lived you can get it more than once.

[The 90+2]

Scottish Rugby offers half a million pounds to support clubs.

SFA have no money.

Why does football put up with such incompetence.

The SFA must have money. They sold Hampden to UEFA for the Euros.

[The 90+2]

The mainstream media work hand in hand with governments and big business and like it or not, the narrative is carefully controlled.

All around the world, every country is being controlled by the same agenda from worldwide governments? Many countries who hate each other? The WHO also? Scientist being given bags of money or threats to lie on tv? For what exactly? To financially cripple businesses around the world including banks and airlines?

[Moulin Yarns]

The SFA must have money. They sold Hampden to UEFA for the Euros.

https://www-bbc-co-uk.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.bbc.co.uk/sport/amp/scotland/51860864?amp_js_v=a3&amp_gsa=1&usqp=mq331AQFKAGwASA%3D#aoh=15842845591939&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&amp_tf=From%20%251%24s&ampshare=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.bbc.co.uk%2Fsport%2Fsco tland%2F51860864

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https://youtu.be/Q1rcQk_Y2zQ

[DH1875]

Hearts are apparently ready to take legal action if they are relegated. Story is in the Evening news.

[The 90+2]

Hearts are apparently ready to take legal action if they are relegated. Story is in the Evening news.

Evening news encouraging clicks from desperate Jambos.

[Fuzzywuzzy]

The immunity is short lived you can get it more than once.

Jason leitch clinical director of the government said you can't catch it more than once

[Fuzzywuzzy]

Hearts are apparently ready to take legal action if they are relegated. Story is in the Evening news.

I think would be one helluva queue at the court of arbitration for sport in the near future

[The 90+2]

I think would be one helluva queue at the court of arbitration for sport in the near future

Can the government put in a no-appeal block on this?

[Fuzzywuzzy]

[QUOTE=90+2;6119687]Can the government put in a no-appeal block on this?[/QUOTE

I don't think governments are allowed to interfere. Sure there have been a few countries bodies that have been sanctioned because of government interference

[Beefster]

If nothing else, lots of folk are getting increasingly hysterical and/or ill-informed. The problem with this is that spouting utter pish about this could actually do some harm.

Don’t believe anything you read on here/Facebook/Twitter or hear from your mate/granny/colleague without having also heard it up from at least one actual expert.

[The 90+2]

[QUOTE=90+2;6119687]Can the government put in a no-appeal block on this?[/QUOTE

I don't think governments are allowed to interfere. Sure there have been a few countries bodies that have been sanctioned because of government interference

If the governments join up with the sports bodies and make a complete decision on this appeals may just get thrown out? I think UEFA will make a decision and all countries that form UEFA will agree to what they say. That way any appeal could be against UEFA and not the national associations saving them money.

[The 90+2]

If nothing else, lots of folk are getting increasingly hysterical and/or ill-informed. The problem with this is that spouting utter pish about this could actually do some harm.

Don’t believe anything you read on here/Facebook/Twitter or hear from your mate/granny/colleague without having also heard it up from at least one actual expert.

I think the opposite. People aren’t being hysterical. Check what’s happening in Italy, France and Spain, we are still kicking about our daily lives.

[The Spaceman]

I wonder what this means for the summer transfer window as well - will this be delayed given I highly doubt there will be free movement of people by the point it springs open? But where would that leave out of contract players?

Many, many, many cans of worms being primed and readied in the footballing world, never mind everything else!!

[tamig]

If nothing else, lots of folk are getting increasingly hysterical and/or ill-informed. The problem with this is that spouting utter pish about this could actually do some harm.

Don’t believe anything you read on here/Facebook/Twitter or hear from your mate/granny/colleague without having also heard it up from at least one actual expert.
We seem to have a few experts on here though. Some outlandish conspiracy theories that make absolutely zero sense.

[Fuzzywuzzy]

We seem to have a few experts on here though. Some outlandish conspiracy theories that make absolutely zero sense.

Who doesn't like a good conspiracy

[Billy Whizz]

Scottish Rugby offers half a million pounds to support clubs.

SFA have no money.

Why does football put up with such incompetence.

And some people want to play the semi at Murrayfield, and give the SRU more money

[CentreLine]

There has been a media frenzy regarding this virus, which is not justified by the mortality rate, so if you're able to think for yourself, make your own mind up.
The coronavirus doesn't even meet WHO's own criteria to declare it a pandemic.

You are way behind the curve here I'm afraid. WHO declared Coronavirus a Pandemic three days ago!!!

Flu is a dangerous and often fatal virus but has not achieved its full potential since 1918 when it killed around 80,000,000 people world-wide. At that time the, post WWI, medical system was unable to cope and people were collapsing and dying in the streets. Coffins were stacked in streets awaiting uplift and burial.
When a new strain of Flu comes along there is a heightened degree of awareness (call it panic if you like) to try and persuade people to take reasonable precautions. Fortunately we have not seen that this year but you may remember Avian Flu and Swine Flu in the recent past. Thankfully these did not affect our shores at the end of the day but badly affected China and Canada, amongst others.

Coronavirus is not Flu but is a Serious Acute Respiratory Syndrome (SARS).
Coronavirus is in addition to, not instead of, any flu strain currently affecting the population.
Coronavirus, therefore, will put additional stress on the population and the medical care system that projected figures say it will not be able to cope with.
Coronavirus is a new threat and has the potential, if it goes unchecked, to surpass any previous flu as a danger to life.


It is not a game for governments to take drastic action like we are seeing now. Despite the drastic effect that the current action is having and will ultimately have, on the economy, the government have tried to put public safety first. They are fighting an invisible enemy with unknown consequences. Is it really that unreasonable to ask the public to take the basic steps requested in the hope that the affect of this thing can be mitigated?

[Fuzzywuzzy]

And some people want to play the semi at Murrayfield, and give the SRU more money

I'd be more concerned that the SRU have reserves that they can use for this while our bodies have said they have no reserves.

[Steven79]

I'd be more concerned that the SRU have reserves that they can use for this while our bodies have said they have no reserves.Our lot piss the money away!

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[scooby]

You are way behind the curve here I'm afraid. WHO declared Coronavirus a Pandemic three days ago!!!

Flu is a dangerous and often fatal virus but has not achieved its full potential since 1918 when it killed around 80,000,000 people world-wide. At that time the, post WWI, medical system was unable to cope and people were collapsing and dying in the streets. Coffins were stacked in streets awaiting uplift and burial.
When a new strain of Flu comes along there is a heightened degree of awareness (call it panic if you like) to try and persuade people to take reasonable precautions. Fortunately we have not seen that this year but you may remember Avian Flu and Swine Flu in the recent past. Thankfully these did not affect our shores at the end of the day but badly affected China and Canada, amongst others.

Coronavirus is not Flu but is a Serious Acute Respiratory Syndrome (SARS).
Coronavirus is in addition to, not instead of, any flu strain currently affecting the population.
Coronavirus, therefore, will put additional stress on the population and the medical care system that projected figures say it will not be able to cope with.
Coronavirus is a new threat and has the potential, if it goes unchecked, to surpass any previous flu as a danger to life.


It is not a game for governments to take drastic action like we are seeing now. Despite the drastic effect that the current action is having and will ultimately have, on the economy, the government have tried to put public safety first. They are fighting an invisible enemy with unknown consequences. Is it really that unreasonable to ask the public to take the basic steps requested in the hope that the affect of this thing can be mitigated?

That's my point, they declared it a pandemic when it didn't meet their own criteria.

[Hibbyradge]

Peevmor posted this in the Holy Ground. It's very interesting and makes a compelling argument.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2020/world/corona-simulator/

[scooby]

You are way behind the curve here I'm afraid. WHO declared Coronavirus a Pandemic three days ago!!!

Flu is a dangerous and often fatal virus but has not achieved its full potential since 1918 when it killed around 80,000,000 people world-wide. At that time the, post WWI, medical system was unable to cope and people were collapsing and dying in the streets. Coffins were stacked in streets awaiting uplift and burial.
When a new strain of Flu comes along there is a heightened degree of awareness (call it panic if you like) to try and persuade people to take reasonable precautions. Fortunately we have not seen that this year but you may remember Avian Flu and Swine Flu in the recent past. Thankfully these did not affect our shores at the end of the day but badly affected China and Canada, amongst others.

Coronavirus is not Flu but is a Serious Acute Respiratory Syndrome (SARS).
Coronavirus is in addition to, not instead of, any flu strain currently affecting the population.
Coronavirus, therefore, will put additional stress on the population and the medical care system that projected figures say it will not be able to cope with.
Coronavirus is a new threat and has the potential, if it goes unchecked, to surpass any previous flu as a danger to life.


It is not a game for governments to take drastic action like we are seeing now. Despite the drastic effect that the current action is having and will ultimately have, on the economy, the government have tried to put public safety first. They are fighting an invisible enemy with unknown consequences. Is it really that unreasonable to ask the public to take the basic steps requested in the hope that the affect of this thing can be mitigated?

They are taking it so seriously that they don't want anyone calling emergency numbers, attending their doctor, or even reporting it unless you think you are dying.
Does that not tell you that for the vast majority of people this will be no worse than the flu.

[CentreLine]

That's my point, they declared it a pandemic when it didn't meet their own criteria.

Yep, they are part of the conspiracy and should be ignored for sure

[CentreLine]

They are taking it so seriously that they don't want anyone calling emergency numbers, attending their doctor, or even reporting it unless you think you are dying.
Does that not tell you that for the vast majority of people this will be no worse than the flu.

No, it tells me our government are trying to relieve or mitigate pressure on the health authorities. They don't want people on the phone with minor symptoms or a sniffle when someone may be dying for the want of someone being able to get through

[Steven79]

No, it tells me our government are trying to relieve or mitigate pressure on the health authorities.If London didn't underfund it then they wouldn't be in this position.

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[jgl07]

No, it tells me our government are trying to relieve or mitigate pressure on the health authorities.

What it tells me is that Scouby hasn’t got a scouby.

[CentreLine]

If London didn't underfund it then they wouldn't be in this position.

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I happen to agree with you but I don't think this is the forum for it Steve.

[Waxy]

I'm surprised people keep suggesting that they could promote two from the Championship.

Inverness are only in a play-off spot. Dundee and Ayr would be raging and would challenge the decision

It has to finish as intented when it started no matter how long it takes.
Really is no other way.
Next seasons cups can be shortened.
No winter break.
Start early.
Finish late.
We could probably take the next 6 to 8 weeks off and still find a way to complete this season and finish next season next summer.

[Billy Whizz]

It has to finish as intented when it started no matter how long it takes.
Really is no other way.
Next seasons cups can be shortened.
No winter break.
Start early.
Finish late.
We could probably take the next 6 to 8 weeks off and still find a way to complete this season and finish next season next summer.

Maybe get rid of the League cup too
Not sure if the Tunnocks cup generates money for the clubs, or is a drain on finances

[660]

They are taking it so seriously that they don't want anyone calling emergency numbers, attending their doctor, or even reporting it unless you think you are dying.
Does that not tell you that for the vast majority of people this will be no worse than the flu.

The danger lies in the strain on the healthcare system

[Frankhfc]

It has to finish as intented when it started no matter how long it takes.
Really is no other way.
Next seasons cups can be shortened.
No winter break.
Start early.
Finish late.
We could probably take the next 6 to 8 weeks off and still find a way to complete this season and finish next season next summer.

Unrealistic at best in my opinion. Clubs could fold and disappear under you're must complete every game no matter how long it would take scenario.

Far better to decide this season is already completed as it stands with the clubs able to prepare for next season with a clean slate. No doubt about it in my view.

[Ozyhibby]

It has to finish as intented when it started no matter how long it takes.
Really is no other way.
Next seasons cups can be shortened.
No winter break.
Start early.
Finish late.
We could probably take the next 6 to 8 weeks off and still find a way to complete this season and finish next season next summer.

We are going to be longer than 6-8 weeks off. More likely 12-14.
There is no chance of next season being delayed because clubs need the money. This season is finished.


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[Ozyhibby]

Maybe get rid of the League cup too
Not sure if the Tunnocks cup generates money for the clubs, or is a drain on finances

The league cup brings in more money for clubs than the Scottish cup.


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[Keith_M]

I think the opposite. People aren’t being hysterical. Check what’s happening in Italy, France and Spain, we are still kicking about our daily lives.


Panic Buying (https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/mar/15/panic-buying-sweeps-stores-despite-appeal-for-responsible-shopping) has started already.


All it takes is for a run on a few shops by panickers and loads of other people will join in, because by that time there will be shortages (a self perpetuating effect)

It's the same effect that can devastate banks or share prices.

[CentreLine]

Panic Buying (https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/mar/15/panic-buying-sweeps-stores-despite-appeal-for-responsible-shopping) has started already.


All it takes is for a run on a few shops by panickers and loads of other people will join in, because by that time there will be shortages (a self perpetuating effect)

It's the same effect that can devastate banks or share prices.

I would like to see a collection point at the door of every supermarket for food banks. It is all very fine for people that can afford to panic buy. We should all remember those who cat as we leave the store.

[jacomo]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/51901725

Apparently at least one premiership club has demanded the season be cancelled...

Perhaps Hearts will not act with good grace after all?

[Steven79]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/51901725

Apparently at least one premiership club has demanded the season be cancelled...

Perhaps Hearts will not act with good grace after all?

It must be Hearts or Rangers...

[Brummie_Hibs]

Latest leaked Govt documents say that this could last until Spring 2021 and 7.9m people in the UK will need hospital treatment

Doctor on a radio show said everybody in the world will contract the virus unless there is a vaccine.

Basically, this ain't gonna sort itself out in a few weeks time.

[pacoluna]

I would like to see a collection point at the door of every supermarket for food banks. It is all very fine for people that can afford to panic buy. We should all remember those who cat as we leave the store.

I wonder if the government will be housing the homeless and issuing them all with soap etc, they'll be the most vulnerable.

[mjhibby]

Unrealistic at best in my opinion. Clubs could fold and disappear under you're must complete every game no matter how long it would take scenario.

Far better to decide this season is already completed as it stands with the clubs able to prepare for next season with a clean slate. No doubt about it in my view.

It's the only realistic option. If this is a shutdown till the end of may / middle of June then players will have to follow pre season schedule of three weeks meaning games won't be played till the end of June/ begining of July. Plus there will be folk desperate to go on hols once this clears up. The season is finished already imho. The only thing left is to decide who finishes where.

[mjhibby]

Panic Buying (https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/mar/15/panic-buying-sweeps-stores-despite-appeal-for-responsible-shopping) has started already.


All it takes is for a run on a few shops by panickers and loads of other people will join in, because by that time there will be shortages (a self perpetuating effect)

It's the same effect that can devastate banks or share prices.

The panic buying is beyond belief with no nappies,pasta,chopped tomatoes in stores plus shortage of veg. Selfish barstewards abound.

[CentreLine]

I wonder if the government will be housing the homeless and issuing them all with soap etc, they'll be the most vulnerable.

Probably the largest single vulnerable group but not the most vulnerable. That would be the underlying health issues group in the over 80’s. Sadly not too many homeless people reach that stage in life.

[scottish_sleepy]

Give all the players the next 4 weeks off. Take their summer holidays early. Come back afterwards, pre season and finish this one off before starting the next one. Scrap next year's league Cup and winter break and it'll all fit in.

[FilipinoHibs]

Give all the players the next 4 weeks off. Take their summer holidays early. Come back afterwards, pre season and finish this one off before starting the next one. Scrap next year's league Cup and winter break and it'll all fit in.

Yes this year's summer holidays will be in the hoose.

[Frankhfc]

Give all the players the next 4 weeks off. Take their summer holidays early. Come back afterwards, pre season and finish this one off before starting the next one. Scrap next year's league Cup and winter break and it'll all fit in.

The biggest problem with this is that its very unlikely the all clear will be given within four weeks time. It could be months yet before competitive football is resumed. Time will tell.

[blackpoolhibs]

BREAKING NEWS: Zlatan Ibrahimović has tested positive for the coronavirus. The virus has now been put into quarantine for the next 14 days.:greengrin

[Since452]

Give all the players the next 4 weeks off. Take their summer holidays early. Come back afterwards, pre season and finish this one off before starting the next one. Scrap next year's league Cup and winter break and it'll all fit in.

Some holiday that would be..

[chippy]

The biggest problem with this is that its very unlikely the all clear will be given within four weeks time. It could be months yet before competitive football is resumed. Time will tell.

I admire the optimism but frankly if as seems likely it spreads through most of the population with thousands dying and or very ill. The health system won’t cope and there have to be a massive united effort to get through it. Our football and even our political loyalties will seem irrelevant n the face of What could be carnage. There won’t be large crowds allowed until possibly next Spring. Not only no completion of this season but no start to new season until next April. Players contracts will be ripped up , no club will make new signings unless it’s just short term or week by week. Heart’s problems and Rangers objections to Celtic winning title will not matter a jot. Once there is some clarity on a path through this then and only then can Scottish and world football make plans. We won’t be going back to the same old structures that is the only certainty

[04Sauzee]

It has to finish as intented when it started no matter how long it takes.
Really is no other way.
Next seasons cups can be shortened.
No winter break.
Start early.
Finish late.
We could probably take the next 6 to 8 weeks off and still find a way to complete this season and finish next season next summer.

How are footballers expected to have 6 or 8 weeks off then come back to playing football. Risking all kinds if injuries, that's why we have a pre-season. Doesn't matter if they are in a bike at home or in a home gym or on the streets running. I think if we are more than 3 weeks away then it's season over.

[Hibs90]

I dunno about anyone else but I'm already sick of the experts on social media saying we should do this and that. Bring back games ASAP.

[Steven79]

I dunno about anyone else but I'm already sick of the experts on social media saying we should do this and that. Bring back games ASAP.It isn't happening anytime soon and for good reason...

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[HUTCHYHIBBY]

I dunno about anyone else but I'm already sick of the experts on social media saying we should do this and that. Bring back games ASAP.

Jesus! Open your eyes and ears!

[mcohibs]

I dunno about anyone else but I'm already sick of the experts on social media saying we should do this and that. Bring back games ASAP.

That's a bit hypocritical is it not?

[DH1875]

Alan McLaren on SKY sports live from tynecastle. Saying relegating hearts not an option and if it happens club will fight it and take it to court lol.

[lord bunberry]

Alan McLaren on SKY sports live from tynecastle. Saying relegating hearts not an option and if it happens club will fight it and take it to court lol.
I suspect he’s about to find it’s very much an option.

[DaveF]

If hearts did go to court then th league should just expel them and replace them with the slightly less repulsive kelty hearts. Scottish football still have a scabby hearts name and the goons still have a league (2) team to follow.

[matty_f]

I suspect he’s about to find it’s very much an option.

It has to be, otherwise you have exactly the same challenge from Dundee United as to why they can't get promoted.

The rules are that the league can use discretion as to when it ends, of that discretion is used and the league ends today, then Hearts have to deal with it.

[Peevemor]

Excellent interview from Jack Ross. It's great to have someone like him at the club.

https://www.rte.ie/amp/1123408/

[Captain Trips]

Alan McLaren on SKY sports live from tynecastle. Saying relegating hearts not an option and if it happens club will fight it and take it to court lol.

He still got a face you get free garlic bread with it?

[matty_f]

Excellent interview from Jack Ross. It's great to have someone like him at the club.

https://www.rte.ie/amp/1123408/

Yeah, very sensible and pragmatic.

[Captain Trips]

Yeah, very sensible and pragmatic.

Not one word about any signings in that....pish.

No, he will be good for Hibs.

[Since452]

Alan McLaren on SKY sports live from tynecastle. Saying relegating hearts not an option and if it happens club will fight it and take it to court lol.

Was his face beetroot?

[Captain Trips]

Was his face beetroot?

You would have to say anyone associated with them just now would have that complexion.

[Lago]

You wonder just how much the disruption too this season league fixtures might have an ongoing impact on next season,. Could it start late, be truncated in some way because I am now reading warnings it might be next spring before we're on top of covid 19.

[Beefster]

Am I imagining it or is there something in the league regulations that means that clubs cannot take legal action against the league? I seem to recall something from a while back, maybe that time the Real Rangers went liquified.

[Greenworld]

Am I imagining it or is there something in the league regulations that means that clubs cannot take legal action against the league? I seem to recall something from a while back, maybe that time the Real Rangers went liquified.No I read that somewhere as well.

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[Greenworld]

Alan McLaren on SKY sports live from tynecastle. Saying relegating hearts not an option and if it happens club will fight it and take it to court lol.What a clown and his position at hearts is .?

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[eezyrider]

Am I imagining it or is there something in the league regulations that means that clubs cannot take legal action against the league? I seem to recall something from a while back, maybe that time the Real Rangers went liquified.

I'm sure you're right. It's in the rules of league competition that all teams sign up to. They can however appeal to the Court of Arbitration for Sport.

EZ

[Spionen]

Scottish Football has been given an open goal to now transition to summer football. Restart the league from its current position in August and end it in the last week of October with the Scottish Cup Final on the first week of November. The game would then start next season on the first week of March with the league cup group stages and the leagues on the first week of April.

[Keith_M]

Scottish Football has been given an open goal to now transition to summer football. Restart the league from its current position in August and end it in the last week of October with the Scottish Cup Final on the first week of November. The game would then start next season on the first week of March with the league cup group stages and the leagues on the first week of April.


I wouldn't mind that ...but there will still be Champions League and Europa League games between end of November and beginning of March (the close season), so can't see Celtc and The Rangers agreeing to it.

[Spionen]

I wouldn't mind that ...but there will still be Champions League and Europa League games between end of November and beginning of March (the close season), so can't see Celtc and The Rangers agreeing to it.

I can’t see them getting their own way of the rest of Scottish football including two associations agree to it. Might be another open goal in that respect to strip them of some power!

[Keith_M]

I can’t see them getting their own way of the rest of Scottish football including two associations agree to it. Might be another open goal in that respect to strip them of some power!


I like your optimism but can't help but feel it's sadly misguided.

[Rocky]

Just infect every footballer in the world with it today. They're young and fit so will virtually all fully recover within 14 days. Kick all global football back off in a fortnight behind closed doors to give us all something to watch while we're self isolating.

Simple really

[Steven79]

Just infect every footballer in the world with it today. They're young and fit so will virtually all fully recover within 14 days. Kick all global football back off in a fortnight behind closed doors to give us all something to watch while we're self isolating.

Simple reallyWould you allow yourself to be infected?

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[Jim44]

I just read the two following posts on Kerrydale Street. I don’t know the source and apologise if this has already appeared.

UEFA advising all leagues under their associations to be ended and the teams to be declared in the positions they are currently in. So if the SFA go along, it looks like 9 confirmed. With Hearts relegated and Dundee Utd up. European places allocated to huns Motherwell and Aberdeen.


UEFA is preparing this Tuesday, at the meeting with its 55 affiliated associations, to standardize the criteria to define who are the champions of each of the leagues, as well as the teams that go up and down the division, in case the championships national policies are not resumed. The news is released this Monday by the Spanish newspaper AS, guaranteeing that the objective of that organization is to ensure "justice and equal merits" in accessing next year's Champions League and Europa League.


In this sense, UEFA argues that the leaders of each league should be declared champions when the competition is permanently suspended. A position that is based on what happened in 1999, when Partizan Belgrade was declared champion at the moment when the Balkan War started, when there were still ten rounds to end the Yugoslavia championship.

[DH1875]

Ann Budge has said on sky that they will take legal action if their relegated.

[matty_f]

Ann Budge has said on sky that they will take legal action if their relegated.

Doesn't mean they'd be successful. :greengrin

[Ozyhibby]

Scottish Football has been given an open goal to now transition to summer football. Restart the league from its current position in August and end it in the last week of October with the Scottish Cup Final on the first week of November. The game would then start next season on the first week of March with the league cup group stages and the leagues on the first week of April.

Wow, no new income for the club until March 2021?
How are we going to pay the players for the next year?


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[Brightside]

Wow, no new income for the club until March 2021?
How are we going to pay the players for the next year?


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Killie wouldnt have any players in August. Think they only have about 3 or 4 or longer contracts.

[The 90+2]

Killie wouldnt have any players in August. Think they only have about 3 or 4 or longer contracts.

Good news for them if the season is ended this week and contracts are voided then. Kamberi back training at us as soon as we go back also?

[DH1875]

Good news for them if the season is ended this week and contracts are voided then. Kamberi back training at us as soon as we go back also?

Contracts don't work like that. Their contract will be to a specific date, not until the end of the season. If the season was to end tomorrow they'd still be paid until the date on the contract.

[LaMotta]

Scottish Football has been given an open goal to now transition to summer football. Restart the league from its current position in August and end it in the last week of October with the Scottish Cup Final on the first week of November. The game would then start next season on the first week of March with the league cup group stages and the leagues on the first week of April.

Summer football is a terrible idea though.

[The 90+2]

Contracts don't work like that. Their contract will be to a specific date, not until the end of the season. If the season was to end tomorrow they'd still be paid until the date on the contract.

Probably covered by the insurance payment they will get due to the season ending early, and not voided then.

[theonlywayisup]

I just read the two following posts on Kerrydale Street. I don’t know the source and apologise if this has already appeared.

UEFA advising all leagues under their associations to be ended and the teams to be declared in the positions they are currently in. So if the SFA go along, it looks like 9 confirmed. With Hearts relegated and Dundee Utd up. European places allocated to huns Motherwell and Aberdeen.


UEFA is preparing this Tuesday, at the meeting with its 55 affiliated associations, to standardize the criteria to define who are the champions of each of the leagues, as well as the teams that go up and down the division, in case the championships national policies are not resumed. The news is released this Monday by the Spanish newspaper AS, guaranteeing that the objective of that organization is to ensure "justice and equal merits" in accessing next year's Champions League and Europa League.


In this sense, UEFA argues that the leaders of each league should be declared champions when the competition is permanently suspended. A position that is based on what happened in 1999, when Partizan Belgrade was declared champion at the moment when the Balkan War started, when there were still ten rounds to end the Yugoslavia championship.


Ann Budge has said on sky that they will take legal action if their relegated.

If the post by Jim44 is correct, who would Ms Budge take legal action against. If this is coming from UEFA and the 55 affiliated associations are asked to agree so that UEFA can start to plan for the 2020/21 European season, then surely the SFA/SPFL have no say in the matter, unless they themselves want to be excluded from the 2020/21 European season.

[Jim44]

If the post by Jim44 is correct, who would Ms Budge take legal action against. If this is coming from UEFA and the 55 affiliated associations are asked to agree so that UEFA can start to plan for the 2020/21 European season, then surely the SFA/SPFL have no say in the matter, unless they themselves want to be excluded from the 2020/21 European season.

:agree: I’ve recently made this point on the ‘Hearts Won’t Get Relegated’ thread. Budge might be getting herself into deeper water than she is threatening to paddle in. :greengrin

[Ozyhibby]

Taking the spfl to court could result in their suspension.


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[Kato]

Taking the spfl to court could result in their suspension.


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..from which lampost?

[The 90+2]

Taking the spfl to court could result in their suspension.


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Drop them into L2. Falkirk and Edinburgh City then both solve their promotion issue.

[Frankhfc]

It has to be, otherwise you have exactly the same challenge from Dundee United as to why they can't get promoted.

The rules are that the league can use discretion as to when it ends, of that discretion is used and the league ends today, then Hearts have to deal with it.

:agree:

Exactly this.

The rules more or less spell out that the Board has discretionary powers. This is about damage limitation due to circumstances out of the Boards control and ending the league slightly early with placings intact is I think in most peoples opinions the right course of action. As you correctly say Hearts after vocal protests will simply have to suck it up.

[Jim44]

As potential relegated clubs, I wonder if Partick Thistle, Stranraer and Brechin City will be joining Budge, taking on the big boys in court? Budge might be in a position to pay the costs of a failed litigation but will the others deem it worth the hassle and their possible destruction.

[The 90+2]

As potential relegated clubs, I wonder if Partick Thistle, Stranraer and Brechin City will be joining Budge, taking on the big boys in court? Budge might be in a position to pay the costs of a failed litigation but will the others deem it worth the hassle and their possible destruction.

I don’t think Brechin will go down as there is no fair way to determine they would as they would be in a playoff with two other potential sides.

Brechin chairman is obviously on the SPFL member board too so I’m sure he will be happy to proceed with current plans if this was the case too.

Hearts and Partick would possibly (if Partick could afford it) Stranraer are as good as relegated anyway.

[DH1875]

As potential relegated clubs, I wonder if Partick Thistle, Stranraer and Brechin City will be joining Budge, taking on the big boys in court? Budge might be in a position to pay the costs of a failed litigation but will the others deem it worth the hassle and their possible destruction.

She'll also have the rangers behind her as they'll be looking to get the season voided to stop celtic from getting 9 in a row.

[theonlywayisup]

As potential relegated clubs, I wonder if Partick Thistle, Stranraer and Brechin City will be joining Budge, taking on the big boys in court? Budge might be in a position to pay the costs of a failed litigation but will the others deem it worth the hassle and their possible destruction.

Probably not, but if anyone was going to join them in challenging the decision to stop the league based on current league positions it would be Norwich, Aston Villa and Bournemouth if the same rules were to be applied in the EPL. Afterall, Bournemouth are only one goal from safety.

The difference in E&W is maybe the large parachute payments, though!

Anyone know what Norwich, Aston Villa and Bournemouth are saying about it?

[truehibernian]

As potential relegated clubs, I wonder if Partick Thistle, Stranraer and Brechin City will be joining Budge, taking on the big boys in court? Budge might be in a position to pay the costs of a failed litigation but will the others deem it worth the hassle and their possible destruction.

Dundee United are key to this Jim (for me). They simply cannot afford another season down in the Championship, even after selling Shankland.

As much as I would giggle at Hearts being relegated, and who knows when football will start again, for me promoting 4 clubs into the SPFL (no relegation) and creating a 16 team league (for example) would be a good re-structure, especially when we envisage extra Euro slots for sides. We'd two rounds of the Old Firm derby, the Edinburgh derby, the Dundee derby, the New Firm derby, and the Highland derby next season. That's a good TV draw. Do away with the League Cup (possibly) and have sides play each other twice only in the league, and have top flight sides go into the Scottish Cup rounds much earlier to spread the wealth around the lower clubs (potentially).

No fixture congestion, teams competing in Europe can't use the 'we are playing too many games' excuse, pitches get respite, could still fit in a winter break, and gives the national side a real chance with squad get-togethers longer and more beneficial. Would the Old Firm and TV concede to that though :cb

[Lago]

Just infect every footballer in the world with it today. They're young and fit so will virtually all fully recover within 14 days. Kick all global football back off in a fortnight behind closed doors to give us all something to watch while we're self isolating.

Simple really

No silly really.

[theonlywayisup]

Boris now saying that we're entering the fast growth part of the curve.

"Now is the time for everyone to stop non-essential contact with others and to stop all unnecessary travel," the prime minister says.

Here are some key points:


Anyone who lives with someone who has a cough or a temperature should stay at home for 14 days
People should start working from home where they possibly can
Avoid pubs, clubs, theatres and other such social venues
Only use the NHS when we really need to
From tomorrow government will no longer be "supporting" mass gatherings using emergency workers

[Frankhfc]

Dundee United are key to this Jim (for me). They simply cannot afford another season down in the Championship, even after selling Shankland.

As much as I would giggle at Hearts being relegated, and who knows when football will start again, for me promoting 4 clubs into the SPFL (no relegation) and creating a 16 team league (for example) would be a good re-structure, especially when we envisage extra Euro slots for sides. We'd two rounds of the Old Firm derby, the Edinburgh derby, the Dundee derby, the New Firm derby, and the Highland derby next season. That's a good TV draw. Do away with the League Cup (possibly) and have sides play each other twice only in the league, and have top flight sides go into the Scottish Cup rounds much earlier to spread the wealth around the lower clubs (potentially).

No fixture congestion, teams competing in Europe can't use the 'we are playing too many games' excuse, pitches get respite, could still fit in a winter break, and gives the national side a real chance with squad get-togethers longer and more beneficial. Would the Old Firm and TV concede to that though :cb

This would be far better received in a lot of quarters than the minefield that voiding would create. Restructuring has been used before. Mind you it would stick in a lot of people's craws, not only Rangers fans, that Celtic were still crowned champions while Hearts escaped relegation. A controversial path to take but then its a much better outcome than voiding what's already been played.

[truehibernian]

This would be far better received in a lot of quarters than the minefield that voiding would create. Restructuring has been used before. Mind you it would stick in a lot of people's craws, not only Rangers fans, that Celtic were still crowned champions while Hearts escaped relegation. A controversial path to take but then its a much better outcome than voiding what's already been played.

I'd miss the derby Frank, and to be (brutally) honest, if we were 4 points from safety and there was still 24 points up for grabs playing teams around us, regardless of my loyalties, I'd be contesting relegation. Celtic can be de facto champions as they are well ahead of The Rangers. Dundee United need to be promoted - they are streets ahead in that league and it would be so harsh not to promote them.

Much the same with Liverpool.

I don't think decisions need to be made quickly either, rather, every option should be evaluated on their merit and within the timescales that Government(s) set out for when this virus shows signs of becoming manageable and under some sort of control. Players might need to negotiate with clubs and have contract variations, etc. - as will suppliers of clubs. The short term (thinking) approach would be to relegate Hearts, but clubs will need help and support and the game, short, mid and long term will need a boost - a restructure (for me) is inevitable.

[Jim44]

I'd miss the derby Frank, and to be (brutally) honest, if we were 4 points from safety and there was still 24 points up for grabs playing teams around us, regardless of my loyalties, I'd be contesting relegation. Celtic can be de facto champions as they are well ahead of The Rangers. Dundee United need to be promoted - they are streets ahead in that league and it would be so harsh not to promote them.

Much the same with Liverpool.

I don't think decisions need to be made quickly either, rather, every option should be evaluated on their merit and within the timescales that Government(s) set out for when this virus shows signs of becoming manageable and under some sort of control. Players might need to negotiate with clubs and have contract variations, etc. - as will suppliers of clubs. The short term (thinking) approach would be to relegate Hearts, but clubs will need help and support and the game, short, mid and long term will need a boost - a restructure (for me) is inevitable.



Boooooooooo!!!!!! :greengrin

[Hibs90]

Boris is recommending us not go to pubs, bars, clubs but not banning them. This is to give insurance firms an 'out' from paying business continuity insurances.

See anyone on here who voted for this clown, you should be totally ashamed of yourselves.

[truehibernian]

Boooooooooo!!!!!! :greengrin

:greengrin you know I'd have a right giggle if they were relegated Jim

I've a couple of mates on the Hearts staff and there's no doubt they are edgy and know this could go against them. They're good guys too.

If you look at the Championship, Dunfermline have played a game more (than 2nd, 3rd and 4th) and are 5th, Arbroath played a game less and could only get to 39 points - still wouldn't get them into the top 4.

You hear the same excuses year in year out - too many games, national side poor, no time to prepare, pitches are awful (and too many artificial), etc. etc.

For me it's a good time to evaluate a complete overhaul and restructure of the leagues and cups. We can still wind them up about being bottom and relying on others to get them through their plight when they couldn't do it themselves.................we even tried giving them a helping hand with 6 points and they still managed to f it up :boo hoo: :greengrin

[pollution]

Boris is recommending us not go to pubs, bars, clubs but not banning them. This is to give insurance firms an 'out' from paying business continuity insurances.

See anyone on here who voted for this clown, you should be totally ashamed of yourselves.


What is business continuity insurance and how does this work?

I was afraid that at some stage pubs etc would de ordered to close.

[Hibs90]

What is business continuity insurance and how does this work?

I was afraid that at some stage pubs etc would de ordered to close.

Commercial property insurance covering loss of income suffered by a business when damage to its premises by a covered cause of loss causes a slowdown or suspension of its operations

[Ozyhibby]

I'd miss the derby Frank, and to be (brutally) honest, if we were 4 points from safety and there was still 24 points up for grabs playing teams around us, regardless of my loyalties, I'd be contesting relegation. Celtic can be de facto champions as they are well ahead of The Rangers. Dundee United need to be promoted - they are streets ahead in that league and it would be so harsh not to promote them.

Much the same with Liverpool.

I don't think decisions need to be made quickly either, rather, every option should be evaluated on their merit and within the timescales that Government(s) set out for when this virus shows signs of becoming manageable and under some sort of control. Players might need to negotiate with clubs and have contract variations, etc. - as will suppliers of clubs. The short term (thinking) approach would be to relegate Hearts, but clubs will need help and support and the game, short, mid and long term will need a boost - a restructure (for me) is inevitable.

Decisions do need to be made quickly because clubs need their prize money. Every club rep interviewed so far has made that point. There are a lot of skint clubs.


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[Ozyhibby]

https://spfl.co.uk/news/joint-response-group-update-160320


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[theonlywayisup]

https://spfl.co.uk/news/joint-response-group-update-160320


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In light of such an honest and open statement of fact, it makes you wonder why two clubs should make media statements pointing out their intention to fight any decision that doesn't suit their preferred outcome.

[Billy Whizz]

Football training still on for the lads I used to play with. Edinburgh Leisure haven’t cancelled anything yet

[Ozyhibby]

Football training still on for the lads I used to play with. Edinburgh Leisure haven’t cancelled anything yet

Some boys clubs still training.


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[erin go bragh]

Football training still on for the lads I used to play with. Edinburgh Leisure haven’t cancelled anything yet
My Karate and MMA classes are still on but I’m giving it a miss till this passes .

[Billy Whizz]

Some boys clubs still training.


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Very few I’d have thought though

[Skol]

In light of such an honest and open statement of fact, it makes you wonder why two clubs should make media statements pointing out their intention to fight any decision that doesn't suit their preferred outcome.

I think those statements are dreadful.

[pollution]

Commercial property insurance covering loss of income suffered by a business when damage to its premises by a covered cause of loss causes a slowdown or suspension of its operations


Thanks for the explanation.

Why would Johnson take this in mind? Surely he is following medical advice.

[Billy Whizz]

What time is the UEFA meeting tomorrow, and can we watch it live

[DH1875]

Football training still on for the lads I used to play with. Edinburgh Leisure haven’t cancelled anything yet

Are we in training? Seems like most English teams are.

[Billy Whizz]

Are we in training? Seems like most English teams are.

Hibs are off until next Monday, as it stands

[CockneyRebel]

Boris is recommending us not go to pubs, bars, clubs but not banning them. This is to give insurance firms an 'out' from paying business continuity insurances.

See anyone on here who voted for this clown, you should be totally ashamed of yourselves.



The recommendation makes sense to those who have some sense themselves. A curfew will only be applied as a last resort.

[Hibeesmad]

Grand National has now been cancelled too.

[RoYO!]

Couple of things:

1: it states in black and white that the season is over, basically when they say it's over. So no leg to stand on here.

2: hertz have played their "must not lose" relegation decider.. which they lost. Had they won that I think they'd have every right to be peed off. But in losing it they proved that they couldn't get up for this fight and cast adrift at the bottom.

[Jim44]

Couple of things:

1: it states in black and white that the season is over, basically when they say it's over. So no leg to stand on here.

2: hertz have played their "must not lose" relegation decider.. which they lost. Had they won that I think they'd have every right to be peed off. But in losing it they proved that they couldn't get up for this fight and cast adrift at the bottom.

.......... talk about hitting a man when he’s down. :faf:

[Eyrie]

Couple of things:

1: it states in black and white that the season is over, basically when they say it's over. So no leg to stand on here.

2: hertz have played their "must not lose" relegation decider.. which they lost. Had they won that I think they'd have every right to be peed off. But in losing it they proved that they couldn't get up for this fight and cast adrift at the bottom.

But according to Budge (https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/51914718) they do have a leg to stand on

We would challenge [relegation] on the grounds of sporting integrity as much as anything else because clearly the rules of the league competition are that we play 38 games.
"We haven't played 38 games through nobody's fault
Someone should point out to her that, with only four wins, Hearts haven't played in 26 games through their own fault and that is why they'll go down.

[DaveF]

Sporting Integrity and Hearts. Is it April 1st?

[Waxy]

Sporting integrity lol.
Romanov.
Karma.

[theonlywayisup]

Looking at the figure below, this virus is not going away anytime soon. It's bonkers that people are still suggesting that we try and finish the 2019/20 football season.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/DD-COMPOSITE-CORONA-RISE-16-MARCH-V2.jpg

[theonlywayisup]

And comparing the UK with other countries:

https://www.thesun.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/GL-GRAPHIC-CORONAVIRUS-usa-uk-italy-s-korea-spain-v2.jpg

[WhileTheChief..]

Boris is recommending us not go to pubs, bars, clubs but not banning them. This is to give insurance firms an 'out' from paying business continuity insurances.

See anyone on here who voted for this clown, you should be totally ashamed of yourselves.

See anyone who posts crap like this, you should totally just do one.

Utter nonsense.

[mjhibby]

See anyone who posts crap like this, you should totally just do one.

Utter nonsense.

Really. For saying something that all pub owners are openly saying. Letting your mask slip there are you not.

[TimeForHeroes16]

See anyone who posts crap like this, you should totally just do one.

Utter nonsense.
It’s not utter nonsense it’s the view of most 23089

[Paul1642]

It’s not utter nonsense it’s the view of most 23089

Who is Nathan Dowe and why is his opinion the view of most?

[pollution]

The joys of social media: no one admits to who they are. Or what they do for a living.

[blackpoolhibs]

Sporting Integrity and Hearts. Is it April 1st?

Been cancelled this year.

[theonlywayisup]

The BBC article on what might be decided today during the UEFA meeting.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/51912634

European football's powerbrokers will meet by video conference on Tuesday to discuss how to deal with the fallout from the coronavirus crisis that has caused the game to grind to a halt.


BBC Sport has been told "nothing is off the table" as attempts are found to deal with the biggest issue facing football in modern times.


Uefa president Aleksander Ceferin has called a meeting of representatives of its 55 associations, the European Clubs' Association, the European Leagues and world players' union Fifpro to discuss football's response to the coronavirus outbreak.


What is going to be discussed?
Uefa's competitions. Euro 2020 and this season's Champions League and Europa League.


Why?
Football across the continent has virtually ground to a halt. The only countries in Europe which featured top-flight league action on Saturday were Russia, Turkey, Hungary, Serbia and Ukraine. Turkey's matches were played behind closed doors. On Monday, the Hungarian FA announced its league was suspended. All Champions League and Europa League fixtures scheduled for this week have been called off. There is no indication that an immediate resumption is likely, throwing the complicated football calendar into chaos. The meeting is aimed at finding a way forward.


What is likely to happen with Euro 2020?
It is almost certain to be postponed.

Until when?
December has been mentioned, as has cancelling it altogether. But far more likely is a shift back to 2021. This would open a window for the domestic leagues to complete their seasons this summer, when restrictions created by coronavirus have hopefully eased.


Why does finishing the season matter?
To a greater or lesser degree all European leagues have television contracts that need to be met. If they are not, the potential for having to reimburse the TV channels their money is enormous. The Premier League has the biggest contracts - more than £3bn a year in total - and therefore the most to lose, so it needs to finish the season. Without pushing the current end date of 17 May back, that will not happen. Moving the Euros is essential if seasons are to stand any chance of being completed.


An easy solution then?
Not entirely. Uefa has its own TV contracts and sponsors to satisfy, so moving the Euros is not without consequences. In addition, it has other competitions due to be played in the spring and summer of 2021 that will be impacted: the Women's European Championships, the Nations League and the European Under-21 Championships. Uefa wants to make sure these tournaments are played and will want co-operation from the leagues and their clubs to make that happen.


What about the Champions League?
Four last-16 second-leg ties have been postponed this week. Eight Europa League second-leg ties have been postponed, in addition to the two first-leg matches at Sevilla and Inter Milan that were called off last week. One idea being floated is that from the quarter-finals onwards, games could be played on a one-off basis, as a mini tournament in Istanbul and Gdansk, which is due to host the finals of the respective competitions in May. This is likely to be discussed on Tuesday, although whether a final decision is reached is open to question.

What about the domestic leagues?
This meeting is nothing to do with them. But it is only when the outcome is known that the leagues can come up with a plan for their own competitions. The 20 Premier League clubs are due to meet on Thursday.


Is this going to sort the mess out?
Unfortunately not. Firstly, no-one can be entirely sure when the coronavirus crisis will be over. Secondly, decisions taken by governments override any football body. Italy, France, Spain and the Netherlands are in lockdown. Citizens are only allowed out for essential reasons. Under these circumstances, playing football is impossible and no-one knows for certain when the situation will change. The desire of the leagues is to finish the season. The desire of Uefa is to complete its competitions. If they could restart at the beginning of June, that scenario may well be possible. But what happens if there is no immediate prospect of restrictions being lifted in June? Then serious decisions might need to be made about scrapping the season and starting again in August.

[Hibs90]

Really. For saying something that all pub owners are openly saying. Letting your mask slip there are you not.

Yup

[WhileTheChief..]

Really. For saying something that all pub owners are openly saying. Letting your mask slip there are you not.

Mask?

[Springbank]

Anyone defending Boris Johnson north of Berwick *should* wear a mask (and carry a bag marked "SWAG")

He is the worst thing that ever happened to Scotland & his "many loved ones will die" laissez faire approach to this health crisis was a source of horrified reaction all over the world in medical circles

[Hibernian Verse]

Anyone defending Boris Johnson north of Berwick *should* wear a mask (and carry a bag marked "SWAG")

He is the worst thing that ever happened to Scotland & his "many loved ones will die" laissez faire approach to this health crisis was a source of horrified reaction all over the world in medical circlesI'm no fan but surely he's following the advice of scientists and their scientific models? I don't get all the PM bashing on this particular issue as a result. Bash him on everything else though.

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[danhibees1875]

And comparing the UK with other countries:

https://www.thesun.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/GL-GRAPHIC-CORONAVIRUS-usa-uk-italy-s-korea-spain-v2.jpg

They need to sort the scale on the Y-Axis there and I think if they do it'll tell a different story. Mostly the divergence between Italy and S.Korea and that we're still early on our path to try to choose which path we take from there.

[JeMeSouviens]

I'm no fan but surely he's following the advice of scientists and their scientific models? I don't get all the PM bashing on this particular issue as a result. Bash him on everything else though.

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Communication from the government has been abysmal.

[JeMeSouviens]

They need to sort the scale on the Y-Axis there and I think if they do it'll tell a different story. Mostly the divergence between Italy and S.Korea and that we're still early on our path to try to choose which path we take from there.

It's a logarithmic scale which is much more helpful in this situation than a linear one. You can easily tell if the rate of increase is rising or falling, ie. are your measures having any effect?

[Lago]

Really. For saying something that all pub owners are openly saying. Letting your mask slip there are you not.
As are you.

[Lago]

Communication from the government has been abysmal.
Which government?

[Hibernian Verse]

Communication from the government has been abysmal.That's not what I was questioning though. The communication has been abysmal from BOTH governments, yes I agree.

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[Waxy]

Who do we listen to? Boris or Nicola?

[Hibernian Verse]

Who do we listen to? Boris or Nicola?Your gut feeling.

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[danhibees1875]

It’s not utter nonsense it’s the view of most 23089

I think the utter nonsense part was the words towards people who voted conservative.

A spokesperson for the association of British insurers has said that the government's actions won't have made much difference as the vast majority of business interruption insurance wouldn't have covered this closure regardless.

[marinello59]

I think the utter nonsense part was the words towards people who voted conservative.

A spokesperson for the association of British insurers has said that the government's actions won't have made much difference as the vast majority of business interruption insurance wouldn't have covered this closure regardless.

A hospitality business leader has said exactly the same thing on Sky news.

[WhileTheChief..]

I think the utter nonsense part was the words towards people who voted conservative.

A spokesperson for the association of British insurers has said that the government's actions won't have made much difference as the vast majority of business interruption insurance wouldn't have covered this closure regardless.

:top marks

This isn't a party political issue at all.

The guy can knock Boris or Jeremy or Nicola as much as he wants but absolutely no need to be saying that all Conservative voters should be ashamed. That's a disgraceful thing to say.

[marinello59]

The Tories are **** and anybody who votes for them needs to give themselves a good hard shake.

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You didn’t read the post you quoted then? I loathe the Tories but we live in a democracy and whether I like it or not a lot of decent people had valid reasons for giving their vote to them. This is a time for acting like grown ups towards each other.

[Lago]

Who do we listen to? Boris or Nicola?
Who ever manages to say it first, so far Nicola be first off the blocks.

[Hibernian Verse]

The Tories are **** and anybody who votes for them needs to give themselves a good hard shake.

Sent from my SM-G960F using TapatalkI voted SNP but people can vote for who or what they want. We live in a democracy. Ideally a centrist govt would be the best choice, but down south they had hard left or hard right and the hard left was an embarrassment as you saw at the election.

Anyway, Coronavirus isn't political it doesnt give a flying **** who you or I are.

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[The 90+2]

The Tories are **** and anybody who votes for them needs to give themselves a good hard shake.

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In your opinion. And **** all to do with this thread *

* I didn’t vote Tory.

[Lago]

I voted SNP but people can vote for who or what they want. We live in a democracy. Ideally a centrist govt would be the best choice, but down south they had hard left or hard right and the hard left was an embarrassment as you saw at the election.

Anyway, Coronavirus isn't political it doesnt give a flying **** who you or I are.

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What a sensible post & outlook, pity there weren't more like you. 👍

[Hibs90]

:top marks

This isn't a party political issue at all.

The guy can knock Boris or Jeremy or Nicola as much as he wants but absolutely no need to be saying that all Conservative voters should be ashamed. That's a disgraceful thing to say.

I don't think it is disgraceful to say but happy to leave it here and keep the politics out of it.

[lapsedhibee]

I'm no fan but surely he's following the advice of scientists and their scientific models? I don't get all the PM bashing on this particular issue as a result.

Following the advice of scientists and their models that he chooses to follow. Other scientists and models are available.

[Hibernian Verse]

What a sensible post & outlook, pity there weren't more like you. [emoji106]I think there are plenty, but a football forum is not where to find them.

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[MWHIBBIES]

The joys of social media: no one admits to who they are. Or what they do for a living.

Dunno what social media you are on but that isn't the case.

[seanshow]

They need to sort the scale on the Y-Axis there and I think if they do it'll tell a different story. Mostly the divergence between Italy and S.Korea and that we're still early on our path to try to choose which path we take from there.


agreed If you follow the progression of the virus in countries such as China and South Korea ( granted both had very efficent ways of stoping it spreading) who are much further down the line and use them as an example. Worse case scenario by the start of May it should be past the peak in almost all countries.



"Yes but where are your facts to back it up? - There were 24 new cases of CV19 recorded in China yesterday out of 1.4 Billion inhabitants. .....nothing to see here move on :greengrin



But it makes Uefa's decisison to have their cup finals at the end of June seem a bit tight for time I have to say.

[pollution]

Dunno what social media you are on but that isn't the case.


I only read .net.

Ideally I wish we all put our age and occupation under our details. Just to give an idea if the OP is 20 or 60 years of age

and to inform other users if we have a vested interest in the topic.

[kaimendhibs]

I only read .net.

Ideally I wish we all put our age and occupation under our details. Just to give an idea if the OP is 20 or 60 years of age

and to inform other users if we have a vested interest in the topic.I'm 56 and work in public transport

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[The 90+2]

I only read .net.

Ideally I wish we all put our age and occupation under our details. Just to give an idea if the OP is 20 or 60 years of age

and to inform other users if we have a vested interest in the topic.

35,sell pegs from my caravan. It could be a very profitable time coming up. Deliveroo has just formed a commercial partnership with us.

[Keith_M]

I only read .net.

Ideally I wish we all put our age and occupation under our details. Just to give an idea if the OP is 20 or 60 years of age

and to inform other users if we have a vested interest in the topic.


I'm a 25 y/o brain surgeon and married to Kiera Knightley.

[Eyrie]

I only read .net.

Ideally I wish we all put our age and occupation under our details. Just to give an idea if the OP is 20 or 60 years of age

and to inform other users if we have a vested interest in the topic.

I've 50, boring and have placed a restraining order on Halle Berry.

[Callum7]

Schools now closed.

[Billy Whizz]

Schools now closed.

End of this week

[Callum7]

End of this week

Yes, Thursday and Friday still open.

[DH1875]

Schools now closed.

Only Scotland and Wales. Think schools in England still staying open at this point.

[Onceinawhile]

Only Scotland and Wales. Think schools in England still staying open at this point.

Surely they'll announce they're shutting as well.

[The 90+2]

Surely they'll announce they're shutting as well.

announcing that this afternoon.

[plhibs]

Over here schools are on March break but will not be opened when the break is over. bars, restaurants closed except for carry out food. All entertainment venues are closed,food courts in malls have removed all seats or taped them off. The border to the U.S being shut except for certain cases. Very worrying to say the least.

[jacomo]

Following the advice of scientists and their models that he chooses to follow. Other scientists and models are available.


:agree:

Advisors advise, politicians decide.

This is on Boris because it is his responsibility as PM to make the right decisions, and he will be judged accordingly.

It should not be controversial to say, however, that after 10 years of Tory rule the NHS is creaking and in no fit state to cope with this pandemic. People can justify their decisions to vote Tory but can not deny the consequences. Even the Tories have belatedly realised that it is starved of cash. It could also have done without the disastrous ideologically-driven reforms in 2011.

[Tambo]

Complete lockdown come monday?

[CockneyRebel]

:agree:

Advisors advise, politicians decide.

This is on Boris because it is his responsibility as PM to make the right decisions, and he will be judged accordingly.

It should not be controversial to say, however, that after 10 years of Tory rule the NHS is creaking and in no fit state to cope with this pandemic. People can justify their decisions to vote Tory but can not deny the consequences. Even the Tories have belatedly realised that it is starved of cash. It could also have done without the disastrous ideologically-driven reforms in 2011.

It may not be controversial to say that but maybe a bit naive. It was no better under previous administrations whatever the party. It is standard practice, as you must surely know, for all governments to blame the previous government for all the problems/lack of investment. The NHS has been underfunded for most of it's existence. I recently had a glimpse of managerial salaries in the NHS and they are indefensible and overstaffed, unlike the lower rungs (nurses etc.). Far too top heavy.

[CockneyRebel]

Complete lockdown come monday?


Cannot be far off.

[Moulin Yarns]

At least there is one positive about the virus, it has put a temporary stop to another disease.


The Orange Order has axed future marches across Scotland due to the coronavirus outbreak. https://t.co/Nw5gCTHVHN

[Hibs90]

Cannot be far off.

Yeah, matter of time.

[Tambo]

For the first time since the outbreak I was asked this morning at work if i had any high temperatures or a cough, I dread a lockdown, no way I'm going to be able to live off £98 a week.