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All sounds good but doesn’t really match reality. We do have great periods where living standards rise across the board. And I’ve never seen a system which does that better than what we have.
I can be as doom and gloom about the UK as the next person, especially with the quality of leadership we have had for last 16 years but it’s still better than all the other options.
Democracy beats everything else and democracy only comes with capitalism.


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The illusion of democracy imo. There is no reason you couldn't have a democratic society with a different economic model. I was born in 1968 so in my lifetime we had public ownership of all the main resources of the country. Not sure we have ever had socialism in its truest form though but definitely elements of it. Capitalism had dramatically less effect back then because housing and most vital services were state provided for many. We are starting to see what capitalism will always inevitably end up with. The rich will own everything and have complete control, like the church and monarchy have in the past. At that point citizens will feel like they have little to lose and start fighting back. At the moment the rich are winning the battle and getting them to blame each other and immigrants. Not sure that will last for any length of time though.

My kids living standards are not as good as mine were and mine not as good as my dads and that is essentially the story of Neo-Capitalism. It may work for a while as public infrastructure and services are sold and that money used to prop up the country but inevitably it is all gone. The rich own everything and have all the levers of control. They run the democracy after citizens have voted for either a home or away kit of the same team.