Tommy Robinson

[Bostonhibby]

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It does not matter what you think, he works as a journalist there is no doubt about that.

It matters to me, in that I'm not to impressed by much of his efforts at reporting down the years and that's a matter of taste, preference and opinion.

I guess the point I was making here, not too well, is he seems to have always been consistent about a particular political or societal position to the exclusion of others rather than trying to produce a good balanced news story on a range of subjects from time to time.

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[Andy Bee]

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Handing himself into police tomorrow, just doing a bit grifting for his bail hearing.

That's him now lifted and cuffed.


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[Kato]

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Secular.

47% Christian.
6.5% Muslim.

Yeah, Tommy has his work cut out stopping Islam taking over the country.

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[Kato]

Does Tommy have journalistic qualifications these days or is he just an enthusiast?

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[The Tubs]

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47% Christian.
6.5% Muslim.

Yeah, Tommy has his work stopping Islam taking over the country.

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Your state is secular without some religious trappings/prejudice due to conservatism.

You can believe in anything you want, I'd say, as long as you keep it away from the rules that govern how we do things.

Christian sects have done enough damage to the UK. They've probably ruined Scottish football too.

[blackpoolhibs]

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It matters to me, in that I'm not to impressed by much of his efforts at reporting down the years and that's a matter of taste, preference and opinion.

I guess the point I was making here, not too well, is he seems to have always been consistent about a particular political or societal position to the exclusion of others rather than trying to produce a good balanced news story on a range of subjects from time to time.

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No argument from me there, but it does appear there is two tier politics on this subject and two tier policing. One side having a go at the other, but only really one side gets away with being able to say what they want?

Look at the recent riots for instances of real heavy punishments, yet those two lads in the airport have not even been charged? You dont need to look far to see why people are starting to speak up.

[Kato]

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Your state is secular without some religious trappings/prejudice due to conservatism.

You can believe in anything you want, I'd say, as long as you keep it away from the rules that govern how we do things.

Christian sects have done enough damage to the UK. They've probably ruined Scottish football too.

26 Bishops sit in the House of Lords. A hereditory Monarch is leader of the default religious sect.

Quaint/Weird



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[The Tubs]

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26 Bishops sit in the House of Lords. A hereditory Monarch is leader of the default religious sect.

Quaint/Weird



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I'd forgotten about the bishops. Would you not agree, nevertheless, that religion's influence is marginal in the UK and enlightment ideas are central to everything, even if these ideas lead many down the path of self-interest?

[Bostonhibby]

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No argument from me there, but it does appear there is two tier politics on this subject and two tier policing. One side having a go at the other, but only really one side gets away with being able to say what they want?

Look at the recent riots for instances of real heavy punishments, yet those two lads in the airport have not even been charged? You dont need to look far to see why people are starting to speak up.

Yep, it's not to difficult to see how the polarisation might come about, I do feel that the "mob" that we have seen on the streets recently are on the hard end of the judicial process because they broke the law, egged on by their own thoughts and beliefs or exploited by others.

There's a difference between legally speaking up and smashing shoe zones windows in or nicking a tray of sausage rolls from Gregg's because someone told you to riot based on a made up story. So far I'm not seeing many similar events from other groups in our society, but they're definitely capable of it.

What times we live in!.

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[blackpoolhibs]

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Yep, it's not to difficult to see how the polarisation might come about, I do feel that the "mob" that we have seen on the streets recently are on the hard end of the judicial process because they broke the law, egged on by their own thoughts and beliefs or exploited by others.

There's a difference between legally speaking up and smashing shoe zones windows in or nicking a tray of sausage rolls from Gregg's because someone told you to riot based on a made up story. So far I'm not seeing many similar events from other groups in our society, but they're definitely capable of it.

What times we live in!.

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There seems to be a huge uproar when Tommy Robinsons name gets mentioned, and a lot of his points dissmissed out of hand because he's Tommy Robinson.

It does appear to me that anyone who speaks about this with any views against immigration is automatically labeled far right and we dont get anywhere.

[Bostonhibby]

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There seems to be a huge uproar when Tommy Robinsons name gets mentioned, and a lot of his points dissmissed out of hand because he's Tommy Robinson.

It does appear to me that anyone who speaks about this with any views against immigration is automatically labeled far right and we dont get anywhere.

I think so to, currently a lot of it does seem to get a bit distorted for the person in the middle by the extreme language and behaviour that we do tend to see from groups on the far right.

I don't see Yaxley Lennon as particularly idealistic, he seems to enjoy the limelight and its provided him with a living. They could maybe do with a slicker spokesman.

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[blackpoolhibs]

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I think so to, currently a lot of it does seem to get a bit distorted for the person in the middle by the extreme language and behaviour that we do tend to see from groups on the far right.

I don't see Yaxley Lennon as particularly idealistic, he seems to enjoy the limelight and its provided him with a living. They could maybe do with a slicker spokesman.

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Farage.

[Bostonhibby]

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Farage.

I didn't want to take either of us down that particular sewage pipe.

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[The Tubs]

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No argument from me there, but it does appear there is two tier politics on this subject and two tier policing. One side having a go at the other, but only really one side gets away with being able to say what they want?

Look at the recent riots for instances of real heavy punishments, yet those two lads in the airport have not even been charged? You dont need to look far to see why people are starting to speak up.

I don't follow UK current affairs enough to know if this is really correct, but, if it is, may there not be some kind of justification in that the potential danger of allowing majorities to be stirred up is far greater than allowing minorities to be so?

[blackpoolhibs]

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I don't follow UK current affairs enough to know if this is really correct, but, if it is, may there not be some kind of justification in that the potential danger of allowing majorities to be stirred up is far greater than allowing minorities to be so?

You mean silence?

[Kato]

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I'd forgotten about the bishops. Would you not agree, nevertheless, that religion's influence is marginal in the UK and enlightment ideas are central to everything, even if these ideas lead many down the path of self-interest?

That's fair. Maybe the framework is inherited from the Enlightenment but 45 years of dumbed down press, edukashun and a massive dollop of neoliberalism has seen a step back toward feudalism.



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[wookie70]

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That's fair. Maybe the framework is inherited from the Enlightenment but 45 years of dumbed down press, edukashun and a massive dollop of neoliberalism has seen a step back toward feudalism.



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Religion is just a means of gaining control of a congregation often through fear or false hope. Capitalism is the same in many regards and those that control the money are the new Bishops. Robinson is there to stoke fear and will be used like Farage etc for keeping that going. Trickle down economics is the new heaven. It sounds great but you will die before you see it.

[Ozyhibby]

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Religion is just a means of gaining control of a congregation often through fear or false hope. Capitalism is the same in many regards and those that control the money are the new Bishops. Robinson is there to stoke fear and will be used like Farage etc for keeping that going. Trickle down economics is the new heaven. It sounds great but you will die before you see it.

All sounds good but doesn’t really match reality. We do have great periods where living standards rise across the board. And I’ve never seen a system which does that better than what we have.
I can be as doom and gloom about the UK as the next person, especially with the quality of leadership we have had for last 16 years but it’s still better than all the other options.
Democracy beats everything else and democracy only comes with capitalism.


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[silverhibee]

Tommy will be rattling tonight and I will sleep well in my bed, I’m happy.

[AgentDaleCooper]

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I'd forgotten about the bishops. Would you not agree, nevertheless, that religion's influence is marginal in the UK and enlightenment ideas are central to everything, even if these ideas lead many down the path of self-interest?

this is an interesting point IMO, because I don't think the enlightenment was necessarily the break from religion that people see it as - it was very much tied in with the reformation and protestantism, which are arguably the 'spiritual' seat of individualism, in that people no longer had to access their god via an institution's interpretation to the same extent...?

It's not a coincidence that there was a scientific revolution after the advent of Islam...I'm totally incapable of doing this subject matter justice, but I'd well recommend a book called 'How Religion Evolved (and why it endures)' by Robin Dunbar. It sort of lays out a perspective on religion that explains it without judgement on the truth/falsity of the beliefs, and rather looking at what the functions of these beliefs/practices are. It's great to know about, particularly as someone who isn't religious, as it inoculates against some more reductionist thinking atheists are often guilty of.

[wookie70]

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All sounds good but doesn’t really match reality. We do have great periods where living standards rise across the board. And I’ve never seen a system which does that better than what we have.
I can be as doom and gloom about the UK as the next person, especially with the quality of leadership we have had for last 16 years but it’s still better than all the other options.
Democracy beats everything else and democracy only comes with capitalism.


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The illusion of democracy imo. There is no reason you couldn't have a democratic society with a different economic model. I was born in 1968 so in my lifetime we had public ownership of all the main resources of the country. Not sure we have ever had socialism in its truest form though but definitely elements of it. Capitalism had dramatically less effect back then because housing and most vital services were state provided for many. We are starting to see what capitalism will always inevitably end up with. The rich will own everything and have complete control, like the church and monarchy have in the past. At that point citizens will feel like they have little to lose and start fighting back. At the moment the rich are winning the battle and getting them to blame each other and immigrants. Not sure that will last for any length of time though.

My kids living standards are not as good as mine were and mine not as good as my dads and that is essentially the story of Neo-Capitalism. It may work for a while as public infrastructure and services are sold and that money used to prop up the country but inevitably it is all gone. The rich own everything and have all the levers of control. They run the democracy after citizens have voted for either a home or away kit of the same team.

[Ozyhibby]

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The illusion of democracy imo. There is no reason you couldn't have a democratic society with a different economic model. I was born in 1968 so in my lifetime we had public ownership of all the main resources of the country. Not sure we have ever had socialism in its truest form though but definitely elements of it. Capitalism had dramatically less effect back then because housing and most vital services were state provided for many. We are starting to see what capitalism will always inevitably end up with. The rich will own everything and have complete control, like the church and monarchy have in the past. At that point citizens will feel like they have little to lose and start fighting back. At the moment the rich are winning the battle and getting them to blame each other and immigrants. Not sure that will last for any length of time though.

My kids living standards are not as good as mine were and mine not as good as my dads and that is essentially the story of Neo-Capitalism. It may work for a while as public infrastructure and services are sold and that money used to prop up the country but inevitably it is all gone. The rich own everything and have all the levers of control. They run the democracy after citizens have voted for either a home or away kit of the same team.

We have a problem just now with housing but te reality is the most kids have a better life than their parents under our current system.


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[bringbackbenny]

Yaxley-Lennon to the slammer

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...-about-refugee

[Ozyhibby]

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Yaxley-Lennon to the slammer

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...-about-refugee

A good day.


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[Ryan91]

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Yaxley-Lennon to the slammer

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...-about-refugee

I do believe the phrase is "**** about, find out"

[Bishop Hibee]

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Yaxley-Lennon to the slammer

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...-about-refugee

It’s nice to read some happy news for a change.

[cabbageandribs1875]