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19-03-2020, 10:50 AM
Biggie

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Originally Posted by neil7908

This 100%. There are absolutely bigger things happening in the world now than football but this is a football forum and I'm happy to say I hope they go bust.

Have been living on other people's money for a long time and haven't learnt their lesson after the last charlatan they feel in love with.

Like Sevco they are delusional and deserve all they get.

:top marks
19-03-2020, 10:52 AM
660

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Originally Posted by underscore

Academy staff have been put on unpaid leave.

aHeAd Of ThE cUrVe
19-03-2020, 10:52 AM
makaveli1875

Folk taking pleasure in the damage this is causing need to have a word ffs. It could easily be us in a few weeks.
19-03-2020, 10:52 AM
Sergio sledge

Quote:

Originally Posted by underscore

Academy staff have been put on unpaid leave.

Yup, I've a family member in this situation and he's going to struggle as the income from his part time work was needed to pay rent and bills. While the players are being asked to drop 50% of their salaries to prevent redundancies there's a whole group of people much harder hit than them.

Hearts won't be alone in doing this I'd imagine, so it's going to be a tough time for a lot of people.

I'm not going to take any pleasure in people losing their livelihoods.
19-03-2020, 10:53 AM
CloudSquall

Hearts fans pre Mercer , the older generation , are in general quite sound. At least, they are able to have normal "banter" and can slag off Hearts themselves.

Any Hearts fan post Mercer, and I fully mean every single one of them, is a weapons grade **** who deserve nothing more than seeing their club die.

**** them.
19-03-2020, 10:58 AM
ancient hibee

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Originally Posted by makaveli1875

Folk taking pleasure in the damage this is causing need to have a word ffs. It could easily be us in a few weeks.

Why? Our business model for many years has been to live within generated income.Hearts has been to ignore commercial realities and rely on donations to enable them to spend far more than generated income.
19-03-2020, 11:01 AM
Irish-Hibee

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Originally Posted by makaveli1875

Folk taking pleasure in the damage this is causing need to have a word ffs. It could easily be us in a few weeks.

Have a look on kickback at the thread titled "who" and come back and say that. I will take full pleasure in seeing them disappear of the earth.

BTW hearts are not in this position because of the CV, they are in this position because of serious overspending.
19-03-2020, 11:01 AM
660

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Originally Posted by ancient hibee

Why? Our business model for many years has been to live within generated income.Hearts has been to ignore commercial realities and rely on donations to enable them to spend far more than generated income.

Exactly. I’ll be laughing at hearts predicament safe in the knowledge that Hibs are properly run
19-03-2020, 11:02 AM
Since452

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Originally Posted by Cod Boy

Had Hearts won against St Mirren last Wednesday there fans would have been getting excited as St Mirren would be relegated if positions stand. They seem to call them St liedown after events in 1986 when the league was in there own hands.

Very odd thing to call them. Not St Mirren's fault Hearts bottled it when they only needed a draw. To be fair they are a constant thorn in Hearts side.
19-03-2020, 11:02 AM
Keith_M

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Originally Posted by underscore

Academy staff have been put on unpaid leave.

After missing one home game?

They can't be short of funds that quickly, surely?
19-03-2020, 11:07 AM
Ozyhibby

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Originally Posted by Keith_M

After missing one home game?

They can't be short of funds that quickly, surely?

People thinking this is about corona virus are very much mistaken. They were clearly overspending and have flown a bit to close to the sun. It only took one cancelled game to bring them down. That is not a sustainable business.
Of course it’s ok to feel sorry for those losing their jobs but they were unsustainable jobs anyway. If it wasn’t CV it would be something else.
Hearts need to become a much smaller operation. And in the championship they can start to restructure their business.

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19-03-2020, 11:08 AM
04Sauzee

Quote:

Originally Posted by underscore

Academy staff have been put on unpaid leave.

Who are the academy staff?
How many are there?

Are we talking Eddie May? Colin Nish?

Edit... Sorry you are talking about Hearts?
19-03-2020, 11:09 AM
Since452

Redundancies at my work now. Worrying times.
19-03-2020, 11:12 AM
Keith_M

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Originally Posted by Since452

Redundancies at my work now. Worrying times.

Where do you work mate?
19-03-2020, 11:15 AM
Since452

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Originally Posted by Keith_M

Where do you work mate?

Work in the construction industry. Most of our customers (house builders and councils) are refusing any more deliveries and cancelling orders. Seriously worrying.

Apologies probably not the right thread to be talking about myself
19-03-2020, 11:19 AM
PatHead

Quote:

Originally Posted by Keith_M

After missing one home game?

They can't be short of funds that quickly, surely?

Have they even missed a home game?

Their game was away to Ross County last weekend.
19-03-2020, 11:19 AM
ancient hibee

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Originally Posted by Caversham Green

The £1.5m being quoted is the total of the monthly payments and the year-end prize money.

No it’s not.It’s from the SFA covering Academy and Licensing fees.
19-03-2020, 11:20 AM
jacomo

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Originally Posted by makaveli1875

Folk taking pleasure in the damage this is causing need to have a word ffs. It could easily be us in a few weeks.

It could be anyone and everyone.

Why - as some seem to be suggesting - do Hearts get special treatment? Why do they deserve to avoid relegation?

I’ve said above and will happily say again: I think business rates should be waived and interest free loans offered to all clubs, Hearts included.

Of course their staff deserve help and protection.

But they are in a mess at least partly of their own making. They don’t deserve bailing out from that.
19-03-2020, 11:24 AM
Logie Green

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Originally Posted by CloudSquall

Hearts fans pre Mercer , the older generation , are in general quite sound. At least, they are able to have normal "banter" and can slag off Hearts themselves.

Any Hearts fan post Mercer, and I fully mean every single one of them, is a weapons grade **** who deserve nothing more than seeing their club die.

**** them.

There's a fair number of their older supporters who are twisted, bigoted old fools. Don't forget it was that type of their shareholders who would gladly have seen Mercer carry out his plan. The difference between their old bigots and the Huns old bigots is that the Hun ones tell you to your face what they think of you whereas the old hertz bigots are sleekit.
19-03-2020, 11:26 AM
CloudSquall

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Originally Posted by Logie Green

There's a fair number of their older supporters who are twisted, bigoted old fools. Don't forget it was that type of their shareholders who would gladly have seen Mercer carry out his plan. The difference between their old bigots and the Huns old bigots is that the Hun ones tell you to your face what they think of you whereas the old hertz bigots are sleekit.

I'll gladly reconsider my position to an all encompassing "**** them all" :greengrin
19-03-2020, 11:28 AM
greenginger

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Originally Posted by Green Blood

“Hearts are probably in a healthier position to survive because they’re commercially debt free, their financial liabilities are close to zero and have one of the best businesswomen in the country, leading from the front.

https://i2-prod.dailyrecord.co.uk/in...tsBook_020.jpg

Send this pic to all their suppliers, cheating bstrds. No shame at that club. This man is allegedly a politician!

Commercially debt free, reads nobody gives them credit !

What about , business rates , HMRC , Herriot Watt, don’t suppose you count them as “ commercial “.

Best business woman in the country !! :greengrin Oh ma sides !
19-03-2020, 11:36 AM
Moulin Yarns

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Originally Posted by underscore

Academy staff have been put on unpaid leave.

Is that Edinburgh Academy or Perth Academy. Maybe Wick Academy?
19-03-2020, 11:40 AM
Hibs4185

Budge is not some sort of business messiah.

I always scratched my head when this old woman made her money in IT.

From what I believe, she was a manager and the company was struggling. She lead a management buy out and when the economy picked up the business began to flourish again.

Happy to be corrected if wrong but she hasn’t taken a business idea from scratch and made it a success like Bezos or Gates. She’s been a member of staff, taken over a business, had a stroke of luck with the upturn in the economy and sold it for £40 million.

Yes she made a good decision, yes she saved the business and turned it around but she’s not this bold brave amazing business woman she’s made out to be.
19-03-2020, 11:41 AM
Andy74

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Originally Posted by Oscar T Grouch

While I’m trying to take pleasure from the hertz woes I’m finding it difficult purely down to the fact that this is effecting so many people I know, most of whom are lost and scared and have no idea how their future is going to pan out. I’ve heard from mates who drive buses, working in kitchens, work in retail all who’ve been laid off this week, more have been told their hours are being cut in half. It’s distressing to see so many people in trouble. Hertz may be the first but I genuinely think we’re going to lose quite a few football clubs because of this crisis. Mostly smaller community clubs but a few of the big boys will be run close to the edge and a few may fall over it. I have sympathy for the lower paid staff because like most of us, they have no savings to fall back on. This pandemic could lead to another 1930s type depression. It is very worrying when we have in government a party who couldn’t care less for the poor and vulnerable in society. I know it’s hertz but we should all try and look at the bigger picture. Yes they’ve been badly managed for years and pissed millions up the wall but there are a lot of normal working people at that club who are facing a real crisis, who have no blame at their feet bar working for hertz.
I hope the human race will see themselves through this pandemic with a view to changing things for the better, I fear we will come through this more cynical and detached from each other though. I like seeing hertz in trouble normally but given the bigger picture is rather bleak I find it hard to take pleasure from their current crisis.

It’s possible to have overall concern and empathy but still, from a sport point of view, take some pleasure from the footballing position Hearts will find themselves in.
19-03-2020, 11:44 AM
scoopyboy

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Originally Posted by makaveli1875

Folk taking pleasure in the damage this is causing need to have a word ffs. It could easily be us in a few weeks.

We won't be bottom in a few weeks.

Nobody is taking pleasure at the state of the nation due to the pandemic.

We are taking pleasure in the fact that Hearts are bottom of the League, grovelling to avoid relegation and in their financial overspending over many years.

All of these were before coronavirus came along.
19-03-2020, 11:45 AM
FilipinoHibs

Quote:

Originally Posted by Logie Green

There's a fair number of their older supporters who are twisted, bigoted old fools. Don't forget it was that type of their shareholders who would gladly have seen Mercer carry out his plan. The difference between their old bigots and the Huns old bigots is that the Hun ones tell you to your face what they think of you whereas the old hertz bigots are sleekit.

That is my experience. I am 63 and was in a tennis club near their ground in early 80s. Mist of the members Hearts fans. There was a couple of us Hibs fans. We we generally treated with contempt and patronised. Though I did enjoy Hearts long spell in the lower reaches at the time.
19-03-2020, 11:45 AM
angus hibby

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Originally Posted by Hibs4185

Budge is not some sort of business messiah.

I always scratched my head when this old woman made her money in IT.

From what I believe, she was a manager and the company was struggling. She lead a management buy out and when the economy picked up the business began to flourish again.

Happy to be corrected if wrong but she hasn’t taken a business idea from scratch and made it a success like Bezos or Gates. She’s been a member of staff, taken over a business, had a stroke of luck with the upturn in the economy and sold it for £40 million.

Yes she made a good decision, yes she saved the business and turned it around but she’s not this bold brave amazing business woman she’s made out to be.

Spot on. Have heard on numerous occasions, particularly on Sportsound, that Budge is an excellent businesswoman. Yesterday's news would suggest otherwise...
19-03-2020, 12:00 PM
Greenworld

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Originally Posted by Since452

Work in the construction industry. Most of our customers (house builders and councils) are refusing any more deliveries and cancelling orders. Seriously worrying.

Apologies probably not the right thread to be talking about myself

You are fine mate your not alone the hotelier/ pubs/ restaurants businesses are closing in their droves . If that not bad enough think of all the businesses that supply things to them food / wine / anything really this is horrendous

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19-03-2020, 01:06 PM
southern hibby

Could hearts potentially be saved without a ball being kicked before the cut off date in June?

lets say St Mirren or Hamilton go belly up before the end of the season and get a 15 point reduction and hearts hang on till they get relegated before ( if they need to ) go into administration. This would allow them the sneakiest luckiest way to stay up.

GGTTH
19-03-2020, 01:14 PM
Deansy

Quote:

Originally Posted by ancient hibee

Why? Our business model for many years has been to live within generated income.Hearts has been to ignore commercial realities and rely on donations to enable them to spend far more than generated income.

Don't forget, they not only relied on donations - they STOLE the donations !
19-03-2020, 01:24 PM
Bostonhibby

Quote:

Originally Posted by FilipinoHibs

That is my experience. I am 63 and was in a tennis club near their ground in early 80s. Mist of the members Hearts fans. There was a couple of us Hibs fans. We we generally treated with contempt and patronised. Though I did enjoy Hearts long spell in the lower reaches at the time.

And mine, you could count on one hand how many wanted us to survive Mercer's trick with borrowed money. Gloating didn't begin to cover it.

Edinburgh needs just one big team Mercer said and he made it clear what that team would look like and it wasn't Hibs at Easter road.

Karma.

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19-03-2020, 01:33 PM
brog

It looks as if Hearts were gambling everything on staying up. A new manager in December & a bunch of expensive arrivals in January to add to the expensive summer arrivals, Glenn Whelan anyone? They followed the Ibrox model of spending other peoples money to try & achieve success, in this case success being an 11th place finish, until new monies come in. The problem is when the new money comes in it's used to pay old debts & so the whole cycle begins again. Same principle really as a Ponzi scheme. They must have been pretty much on life support until the surprise semi-final achievement which allowed them to think they could get away with it 1 more time. Covid 19 is not the cause but it is the catalyst for their downfall which has been years in the making. They couldn't go to the fans again, & surely even the most ignorant/die hard fan must now be asking questions, or is that naive thinking?
Separately I feel extremely sorry for the youngsters & other lower paid staff who may lose their jobs at this awful time but it would be an extreme stretch for me to feel sorry for the likes of Naismith who has effectively replaced skill with cheating as his ability declines. I feel no sympathy whatsoever for the arrogant, ignorant, patronising & cheating club that has been the hallmark of HMFC for decades.
19-03-2020, 01:40 PM
MikeyS

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alex Trager

I’m not sure the boy with 51 on the back of his top would leave them so easily.

Pretty sure he is a weegie who came from Celtic. Most likely heading back there too if he doesnt take a hit in his already small wage!
19-03-2020, 01:42 PM
The 90+2

Quote:

Originally Posted by southern hibby

Could hearts potentially be saved without a ball being kicked before the cut off date in June?

lets say St Mirren or Hamilton go belly up before the end of the season and get a 15 point reduction and hearts hang on till they get relegated before ( if they need to ) go into administration. This would allow them the sneakiest luckiest way to stay up.

GGTTH

Hamilton and St Mirren haven’t got a massive wage budget that will lead them into administration though, they also don’t budget for big crowds, especially at this time of the season. Hearts overspend and gamble year in year out.
19-03-2020, 01:58 PM
The Captain....

Surely your more astute jambos are absolutely livid at the way Budge has lashed cash at anything and everything never knowingly failing to pay double for whatever she wanted. She is catastrophic in the way she has run the club..you get the feeling more than a few agents, contractors and businesses have taken advantage of her inexperience in football.

To ask the clubs employees to take a 50% cut so quickly and with all the attendant financial worries it will cause is an absolutely desperate and morally despicable act.

Thank **** we are not them.

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19-03-2020, 02:03 PM
WhileTheChief..

According to our friends on Kickback she is streets ahead of the rest of us on this issue.

She's the first in Britain to ask the players to take pay cuts but we will all soon be following her lead.

If Hearts are in a bad way, then everyone else is about to go under cause they are financially sound.

They've learnt nothing from before and deserve admin. They should go for it now and take the 15 pt deduction.
19-03-2020, 02:06 PM
Steven79

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Originally Posted by WhileTheChief..

They've learnt nothing from before and deserve admin. They should go for it now and take the 15 pt deduction.

Then the league starts back up again and if they hadn't taken the points deduction then they would have stayed up. :wink:
19-03-2020, 02:10 PM
tynehibs

Quote:

Originally Posted by brog

It looks as if Hearts were gambling everything on staying up. A new manager in December & a bunch of expensive arrivals in January to add to the expensive summer arrivals, Glenn Whelan anyone? They followed the Ibrox model of spending other peoples money to try & achieve success, in this case success being an 11th place finish, until new monies come in. The problem is when the new money comes in it's used to pay old debts & so the whole cycle begins again. Same principle really as a Ponzi scheme. They must have been pretty much on life support until the surprise semi-final achievement which allowed them to think they could get away with it 1 more time. Covid 19 is not the cause but it is the catalyst for their downfall which has been years in the making. They couldn't go to the fans again, & surely even the most ignorant/die hard fan must now be asking questions, or is that naive thinking?
Separately I feel extremely sorry for the youngsters & other lower paid staff who may lose their jobs at this awful time but it would be an extreme stretch for me to feel sorry for the likes of Naismith who has effectively replaced skill with cheating as his ability declines. I feel no sympathy whatsoever for the arrogant, ignorant, patronising & cheating club that has been the hallmark of HMFC for decades.

Top post, and the truth
19-03-2020, 02:13 PM
Greenworld

Quote:

Originally Posted by brog

It looks as if Hearts were gambling everything on staying up. A new manager in December & a bunch of expensive arrivals in January to add to the expensive summer arrivals, Glenn Whelan anyone? They followed the Ibrox model of spending other peoples money to try & achieve success, in this case success being an 11th place finish, until new monies come in. The problem is when the new money comes in it's used to pay old debts & so the whole cycle begins again. Same principle really as a Ponzi scheme. They must have been pretty much on life support until the surprise semi-final achievement which allowed them to think they could get away with it 1 more time. Covid 19 is not the cause but it is the catalyst for their downfall which has been years in the making. They couldn't go to the fans again, & surely even the most ignorant/die hard fan must now be asking questions, or is that naive thinking?
Separately I feel extremely sorry for the youngsters & other lower paid staff who may lose their jobs at this awful time but it would be an extreme stretch for me to feel sorry for the likes of Naismith who has effectively replaced skill with cheating as his ability declines. I feel no sympathy whatsoever for the arrogant, ignorant, patronising & cheating club that has been the hallmark of HMFC for decades.

Well thought out and written

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19-03-2020, 02:14 PM
Greenworld

Quote:

Originally Posted by WhileTheChief..

According to our friends on Kickback she is streets ahead of the rest of us on this issue.

She's the first in Britain to ask the players to take pay cuts but we will all soon be following her lead.

If Hearts are in a bad way, then everyone else is about to go under cause they are financially sound.

They've learnt nothing from before and deserve admin. They should go for it now and take the 15 pt deduction.

The one thing their fans have taken into account is when players say no

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19-03-2020, 02:29 PM
Biggie

If anyone has the slightest hint of sympathy for that mob, go on Twitter and read the comments on the evening news article about Tam McManus's comments where he'd tell them to **** off.
Hope that club dies this time...
19-03-2020, 02:39 PM
Kato

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Originally Posted by The Captain....

Surely your more astute jambos are absolutely livid

Both of them are writing open letters we speak.

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19-03-2020, 03:04 PM
Skol

If the players say no then she will make people redundant. She has to as there is no cash.

Levein will be back in charge as the Stendel saving is so great.
19-03-2020, 03:23 PM
Jim44

Quote:

Originally Posted by brog

It looks as if Hearts were gambling everything on staying up. A new manager in December & a bunch of expensive arrivals in January to add to the expensive summer arrivals, Glenn Whelan anyone? They followed the Ibrox model of spending other peoples money to try & achieve success, in this case success being an 11th place finish, until new monies come in. The problem is when the new money comes in it's used to pay old debts & so the whole cycle begins again. Same principle really as a Ponzi scheme. They must have been pretty much on life support until the surprise semi-final achievement which allowed them to think they could get away with it 1 more time. Covid 19 is not the cause but it is the catalyst for their downfall which has been years in the making. They couldn't go to the fans again, & surely even the most ignorant/die hard fan must now be asking questions, or is that naive thinking?
Separately I feel extremely sorry for the youngsters & other lower paid staff who may lose their jobs at this awful time but it would be an extreme stretch for me to feel sorry for the likes of Naismith who has effectively replaced skill with cheating as his ability declines. I feel no sympathy whatsoever for the arrogant, ignorant, patronising & cheating club that has been the hallmark of HMFC for decades.

I think they could and probably will. They are asking questions but they will realise that they themselves are part of the answer and will, albeit reluctantly, try to bail them out.
19-03-2020, 03:29 PM
HoboHarry

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skol

If the players say no then she will make people redundant. She has to as there is no cash.

Levein will be back in charge as the Stendel saving is so great.

How do you make a player under a fixed contract redundant without paying up the contract?
19-03-2020, 03:33 PM
hibeerealist

Quote:

Originally Posted by Onceinawhile

We are probably in a slightly better position as we've just had a Derby at home meaning we shifted 3,500 tickets at 30 a pop.

That won't stretch too far unfortunately, so we just need to hope that someone at the club has been sensible and kept a rainy day fund.

Don't take any particular joy in them asking staff to take pay cuts and ticket office staff and club shop staff getting shafted tbh.

Would that no be Hertz sold these tickets then pay us?

Have they paid us?
19-03-2020, 03:39 PM
Billy Whizz

Quote:

Originally Posted by hibeerealist

Would that no be Hertz sold these tickets then pay us?

Have they paid us?

Regardless if they have or haven’t so far, they’ll have to pay it, as it’s a football debt
19-03-2020, 03:39 PM
Moulin Yarns

Quote:

Originally Posted by HoboHarry

How do you make a player under a fixed contract redundant without paying up the contract?

By going into administration 😉
19-03-2020, 03:43 PM
brog

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jim44

I think they could and probably will. They are asking questions but they will realise that they themselves are part of the answer and will, albeit reluctantly, try to bail them out.

I honestly think it will be difficult for them to do so Jim. They still have over 7,000 making regular contributions. If they go back for more they run the risk of p***ing off that base who may cancel. Putting players on 50% wages is a drastic & very public step that they must have taken as a last resort. That's not to say they won't once more ask fans to rally round but they must know that any donations received this time will be considerably less & won't be enough to prevent other major cost cuts taking place.
19-03-2020, 03:46 PM
Roxyhibee

Quote:

Originally Posted by brog

It looks as if Hearts were gambling everything on staying up. A new manager in December & a bunch of expensive arrivals in January to add to the expensive summer arrivals, Glenn Whelan anyone? They followed the Ibrox model of spending other peoples money to try & achieve success, in this case success being an 11th place finish, until new monies come in. The problem is when the new money comes in it's used to pay old debts & so the whole cycle begins again. Same principle really as a Ponzi scheme. They must have been pretty much on life support until the surprise semi-final achievement which allowed them to think they could get away with it 1 more time. Covid 19 is not the cause but it is the catalyst for their downfall which has been years in the making. They couldn't go to the fans again, & surely even the most ignorant/die hard fan must now be asking questions, or is that naive thinking?
Separately I feel extremely sorry for the youngsters & other lower paid staff who may lose their jobs at this awful time but it would be an extreme stretch for me to feel sorry for the likes of Naismith who has effectively replaced skill with cheating as his ability declines. I feel no sympathy whatsoever for the arrogant, ignorant, patronising & cheating club that has been the hallmark of HMFC for decades.

100% spot on. Great post.
19-03-2020, 03:49 PM
weecounty hibby

Quote:

Originally Posted by brog

I honestly think it will be difficult for them to do so Jim. They still have over 7,000 making regular contributions. If they go back for more they run the risk of p***ing off that base who may cancel. Putting players on 50% wages is a drastic & very public step that they must have taken as a last resort. That's not to say they won't once more ask fans to rally round but they must know that any donations received this time will be considerably less & won't be enough to prevent other major cost cuts taking place.

In a time like this when people are losing their jobs, people are very ill and some even dying if they ask fans to contribute AGAIN, then they truly are the most disgusting organisation I can think of. Surely even the most brain dead Jambo will see through that and tell them to bolt
19-03-2020, 03:49 PM
HoboHarry

Quote:

Originally Posted by Moulin Yarns

By going into administration 😉

I agree with you - the poster seemed to be saying that Hearts could just make players redundant and that would be ok and legal.....
19-03-2020, 03:51 PM
Billy Whizz

Quote:

Originally Posted by HoboHarry

I agree with you - the poster seemed to be saying that Hearts could just make players redundant and that would be ok and legal.....

They can’t, but they can agree a pay off if a player wants it
19-03-2020, 03:54 PM
HoboHarry

Quote:

Originally Posted by Billy Whizz

They can’t, but they can agree a pay off if a player wants it

For forced redundancies to be a real option, the only way I can think of is that if Hearts were sensible enough to write in some kind of Force Majeure clause......
19-03-2020, 03:58 PM
southern hibby

Quote:

Originally Posted by 90+2

Hamilton and St Mirren haven’t got a massive wage budget that will lead them into administration though, they also don’t budget for big crowds, especially at this time of the season. Hearts overspend and gamble year in year out.

That answer has just pit a smile smile on my ugly puss. 😌😌😌😌

GGTTH
19-03-2020, 04:04 PM
jacomo

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Captain....

Surely your more astute jambos are absolutely livid at the way Budge has lashed cash at anything and everything never knowingly failing to pay double for whatever she wanted. She is catastrophic in the way she has run the club..you get the feeling more than a few agents, contractors and businesses have taken advantage of her inexperience in football.

To ask the clubs employees to take a 50% cut so quickly and with all the attendant financial worries it will cause is an absolutely desperate and morally despicable act.

Thank **** we are not them.

If Jambos are of this mindset, they have my sympathy.

I think they are a very small minority though.

I see some grumbling online about their pitiful form and who is responsible for the current mess, but no understanding of how they have got here or where the money comes from and where it has gone.
19-03-2020, 04:09 PM
PatHead

Quote:

Originally Posted by jacomo

If Jambos are of this mindset, they have my sympathy.

I think they are a very small minority though.

I see some grumbling online about their pitiful form and who is responsible for the current mess, but no understanding of how they have got here or where the money comes from and where it has gone.

Far from being sensible, the general feeling among them is that it is a positive thing and they are leading the way.

They well and truly have their heads in the sand.
19-03-2020, 04:18 PM
SMAXXA

Ross County announce all players and staff will be paid through out this different class
19-03-2020, 04:19 PM
660

Quote:

Originally Posted by SMAXXA

Ross County announce all players and staff will be paid through out this different class

Most competently run clubs will do this.
19-03-2020, 04:26 PM
h1bs4life

Watching sky sports news and up pops David Southern , Alan Mclaren and Ian Murray MP saying what a great business woman Budge is , visionary boak boak.

She is like the emperor with no clothes , no one will actually say the truth.

She has built a super duper stand that is millions over budget and not finished yet.
1st of all they forgot to order the seats, then when they fitted them directors box was in the wrong place and they also had to share an exit with plebs.
Press get soaked regularly and where did that pesky police box come from that restricts views.
Still doesn't know what she wants to do with part of the stand and think they still have a stair case to nowwhere.
She gave contracts to her brother ( a good Hibby who uses some of the money to sponsor some things at Hibs ) without what appears to be proper tendering proccess.
Another relation ( Hibs fan ) runs the fans bar.

Show profits every year only because of mysterious donations and now she is ahead of the game as she wants everybody to take 50% pay cut.
She will then expect the players to put there bodies on the line if and when season restarts
They did have a concert on the pitch at the start of the season which I sure will be award winning , what a business woman.
19-03-2020, 04:29 PM
Joe6-2

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Originally Posted by PatHead

The bottom line is that this problem has not been caused by the Coronavirus. That might be the final straw but it has been caused by decades of overspending and not learning from previous mistakes.

I have no sympathy for any Hearts supporter. None of them have shown any recognition of the overspend under Romano and the advantages it gave them. How many times do we have to feel sorry for them?

I hope they go to the wall, I hope that the re-constituted club (new club with no history) and supporters will learn from it and at some point in the future make it up to the top division.

In the meantime, stuff them. Relegation isn't good enough.

This
19-03-2020, 04:32 PM
jacomo

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Originally Posted by h1bs4life

Watching sky sports news and up pops David Southern , Alan Mclaren and Ian Murray MP saying what a great business woman Budge is , visionary boak boak.

She is like the emperor with no clothes , no one will actually say the truth.

Terrifyingly, Ian Murray thinks he should be deputy leader of the Labour Party.

He is fond of lecturing others about ‘learning the lessons’ from past labour defeats. Maybe he should learn the lessons from decades of over spending and terrible decision making at Hearts?
19-03-2020, 04:35 PM
Biggie

Quote:

Originally Posted by h1bs4life

Watching sky sports news and up pops David Southern , Alan Mclaren and Ian Murray MP saying what a great business woman Budge is , visionary boak boak.

She is like the emperor with no clothes , no one will actually say the truth.

She has built a super duper stand that is millions over budget and not finished yet.
1st of all they forgot to order the seats, then when they fitted them directors box was in the wrong place and they also had to share an exit with plebs.
Press get soaked regularly and where did that pesky police box come from that restricts views.
Still doesn't know what she wants to do with part of the stand and think they still have a stair case to nowwhere.
She gave contracts to her brother ( a good Hibby who uses some of the money to sponsor some things at Hibs ) without what appears to be proper tendering proccess.
Another relation ( Hibs fan ) runs the fans bar.

Show profits every year only because of mysterious donations and now she is ahead of the game as she wants everybody to take 50% pay cut.
She will then expect the players to put there bodies on the line if and when season restarts
They did have a concert on the pitch at the start of the season which I sure will be award winning , what a business woman.

Great post....excellent points well made
19-03-2020, 04:37 PM
Ozyhibby

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Originally Posted by SMAXXA

Ross County announce all players and staff will be paid through out this different class

Wonder how cash flow is at Ibrox?[emoji6]

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19-03-2020, 04:50 PM
HFC93

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Originally Posted by SMAXXA

Ross County announce all players and staff will be paid through out this different class

Can't be right! I thought Hearts were ahead of the curve on this?
19-03-2020, 04:55 PM
007

Maybe Ron can bail them out by buying them. He could form an Edinburgh superclub and use a half and half name. Hibernian from us and Football Club from them.
19-03-2020, 04:56 PM
Father Ted

When is the fly on the wall documentary due to he aired? It’s gonnae be great viewing
19-03-2020, 04:57 PM
Hibs4185

One thing I’ve seen a few time’s on here is about they have FOH subscriptions but....

FOH monthly subscriptions around £125k
Hearts monthly expenditure £1.4 million.

A drop in the ocean. Admin 2 hopefully soon
19-03-2020, 04:59 PM
brog

Quote:

Originally Posted by h1bs4life

Watching sky sports news and up pops David Southern , Alan Mclaren and Ian Murray MP saying what a great business woman Budge is , visionary boak boak.

She is like the emperor with no clothes , no one will actually say the truth.

She has built a super duper stand that is millions over budget and not finished yet.
1st of all they forgot to order the seats, then when they fitted them directors box was in the wrong place and they also had to share an exit with plebs.
Press get soaked regularly and where did that pesky police box come from that restricts views.
Still doesn't know what she wants to do with part of the stand and think they still have a stair case to nowwhere.
She gave contracts to her brother ( a good Hibby who uses some of the money to sponsor some things at Hibs ) without what appears to be proper tendering proccess.
Another relation ( Hibs fan ) runs the fans bar.

Show profits every year only because of mysterious donations and now she is ahead of the game as she wants everybody to take 50% pay cut.
She will then expect the players to put there bodies on the line if and when season restarts
They did have a concert on the pitch at the start of the season which I sure will be award winning , what a business woman.

David Southern failed at Hearts & Dundee Utd, reinvents himself as a football business adviser & suddenly he's all over our media. How screwed up is our game & media in Scotland?
19-03-2020, 05:04 PM
Iggy Pope

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Originally Posted by HoboHarry

For forced redundancies to be a real option, the only way I can think of is that if Hearts were sensible enough to write in some kind of Force Majeure clause......

The world is doing this. I doubt you need to write it in as a clause though.
19-03-2020, 05:26 PM
tamig

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Originally Posted by HoboHarry

For forced redundancies to be a real option, the only way I can think of is that if Hearts were sensible enough to write in some kind of Force Majeure clause......

I’m sure the poster wasn’t referring to players being made redundant. The redundancies will happen elsewhere at the club.
19-03-2020, 05:29 PM
The Captain....

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Originally Posted by PatHead

Far from being sensible, the general feeling among them is that it is a positive thing and they are leading the way.

They well and truly have their heads in the sand.

Truly incredible the level of willful idiocy the puddle drinkers share. From their big club delusions (which let's be 100% clear here is the reason they are the only club talking about shafting their employees) to their 'we're leading the way' shameful attempts to legitimise what their tawdry club are up to. An absolute embarrassment of a club..if I was a FOH contributor I would be livid with Budge.

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19-03-2020, 05:42 PM
Ronniekirk

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Originally Posted by Aldo

It will involve most clubs taking some sort of hit but you would think that they would have a contingency just in case of emergency.

Budge and co have not lived within their means yet again with benefactors pumping money in left right and centre.?

It’s unfortunate but this world wide crisis is showing them up yet again and living well outwith their means.

To use the coronavirus as an excuse for their complete mismanagement is poor imho.

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But they will get away with it zDid they sign anyone on a pre contract in January

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19-03-2020, 05:49 PM
tamig

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Originally Posted by brog

David Southern failed at Hearts & Dundee Utd, reinvents himself as a football business adviser & suddenly he's all over our media. How screwed up is our game & media in Scotland?

Its truly mental. I saw him the other night and they were calling him a football consultant. The man’s a fraud.
19-03-2020, 05:52 PM
HoboHarry

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Originally Posted by Iggy Pope

The world is doing this. I doubt you need to write it in as a clause though.

I'm quite sure you do. It may be that companies all over the world will claim a Force Majeure but there will still be some kind of legal process.
19-03-2020, 05:54 PM
HoboHarry

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Originally Posted by 007

Maybe Ron can bail them out by buying them. He could form an Edinburgh superclub and use a half and half name. Hibernian from us and Football Club from them.

We should start preparing now, give them all Hibs scarfs and badges that say "Hibee in training"......
19-03-2020, 05:57 PM
SuperTortolano

Hopefully all this will be in their documentary, an insiders view on a club going into administration.
19-03-2020, 06:05 PM
EdinMike

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Originally Posted by SuperTortolano

Hopefully all this will be in their documentary, an insiders view on a club going into administration.

Are they gonna get enough money to finish it/give us a laugh ?!
19-03-2020, 06:11 PM
AltheHibby

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Originally Posted by Since452

Work in the construction industry. Most of our customers (house builders and councils) are refusing any more deliveries and cancelling orders. Seriously worrying.

Apologies probably not the right thread to be talking about myself

If it helps, talk away. I don't know what words of encouragement I can give other than I hope it all ends positively for you and others in the same position.

Good luck mate
19-03-2020, 06:19 PM
Since452

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Originally Posted by AltheHibby

If it helps, talk away. I don't know what words of encouragement I can give other than I hope it all ends positively for you and others in the same position.

Good luck mate

Thanks mate appreciate that
19-03-2020, 06:53 PM
Just Alf

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Originally Posted by SuperTortolano

Hopefully all this will be in their documentary, an insiders view on a club going into administration.

Quote:

Originally Posted by EdinMike

Are they gonna get enough money to finish it/give us a laugh ?!

Hmmmm... Wonder if they've ready had that money as well? If not, its great, they'll be forced to endure filming to the end so they can get paid! :greengrin

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19-03-2020, 06:58 PM
wallpaperman

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Originally Posted by Hibs4185

One thing I’ve seen a few time’s on here is about they have FOH subscriptions but....

FOH monthly subscriptions around £125k
Hearts monthly expenditure £1.4 million.

A drop in the ocean. Admin 2 hopefully soon

I don’t think FOH monthly subs are as much as that.

I’m sure I read that they are about £800k per annum, so under £70k per month.

Still, would be a very substantial amount of money to a compentantly run club.
19-03-2020, 07:09 PM
Hibs4185

Quote:

Originally Posted by 007

Maybe Ron can bail them out by buying them. He could form an Edinburgh superclub and use a half and half name. Hibernian from us and Football Club from them.

Can hear the song at their new home at Murrayfield in 20 years.

Ron Gordon is deid and we’re nooooo...
19-03-2020, 07:14 PM
mvteng

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Originally Posted by Billy Whizz

They can’t, but they can agree a pay off if a player wants it

According to the Evening News, every player in Scotland has the same clause in his contract.

“All contracts in Scotland are ratified by the game’s authorities and include the following clause: “In the event of the Scottish FA deciding that the game shall be suspended, either entirely or in any district or district as provided for in the articles of association of the Scottish FA, this agreement shall be correspondingly suspended, unless the club is exempted from such suspension or thte club otherwise determines.”
19-03-2020, 07:17 PM
The 90+2

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Originally Posted by Hibs4185

Can hear the song at their new home at Lesser-Murrayfield in 20 years.

Ron Gordon is deid and we’re nooooo...

Fixed 😁
19-03-2020, 07:18 PM
KingPat4

What is the news over on Boakback, has the penny dropped yet? All that money pissed against the wall to end up bottom of the league?

It goes against the grain to credit anything Hearts fans have done, but they have put their hard earned on the line, FOH, bogus share issues, blatant fraud and theft, do they realise yet that are are being had?

Do they find Budge and her pathetic whining embarrassing?

I almost feel sorry for them.

Almost.........,
19-03-2020, 07:25 PM
Hibs4185

Another momentous movement from KB.

This clause that if the league is suspended from the SFA then clubs don’t need to honour contracts.

1 - end the season now-relegated
2- continue The season. Players 50% of salary or unpaid. Relegated anyway.

Comedy gold.
19-03-2020, 07:37 PM
Iggy Pope

Quote:

Originally Posted by HoboHarry

I'm quite sure you do. It may be that companies all over the world will claim a Force Majeure but there will still be some kind of legal process.

Latin I suppose. God is god. He will **** all processes legal or otherwise with his giant godlike member. As Since452 has intimated, the Construction industry (which I’m part of) has again been hung out to dry. Build what we want want when we need you to but your private sites will close soon. Programmes? Contracts? Clauses? ****ing payroll? Ahem, Force Majeure.
19-03-2020, 07:39 PM
007

Quote:

Originally Posted by KingPat4

What is the news over on Boakback, has the penny dropped yet? All that money pissed against the wall to end up bottom of the league?

It goes against the grain to credit anything Hearts fans have done, but they have put their hard earned on the line, FOH, bogus share issues, blatant fraud and theft, do they realise yet that are are being had?

Do they find Budge and her pathetic whining embarrassing?

I almost feel sorry for them.

Almost.........,

Someone said earlier that they were claiming to be ahead of the curve. I'd say it is the likes of Ross County and Nairn County who have said they'll honour all their commitments that are ahead of the curve. Sounds more like Hearts are desperately trying to catch up on the curve.
19-03-2020, 07:43 PM
Frankhfc

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hibs4185

Another momentous movement from KB.

This clause that if the league is suspended from the SFA then clubs don’t need to honour contracts.

1 - end the season now-relegated
2- continue The season. Players 50% of salary or unpaid. Relegated anyway.

Comedy gold.

Isn't the SFA merely the registration authority. The terms and contracts will be the property of the players employers - the clubs. The SFA don't employ the players. Its quite a vague clause anyway in my opinion. It certainly does not state that clubs don't need to honour contracts. Interesting that its been put out there though and maybe those who're clued up on such matters could shine more of a learned opinion on it.
19-03-2020, 07:48 PM
Ozyhibby

The generic Hearts thread

https://news.stv.tv/sport/players-un...eduction-moves

PFA statement. Wonder if Hearts did not include Hickey? PFA certainly hinting at it.

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19-03-2020, 07:56 PM
007

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Originally Posted by Ozyhibby

https://news.stv.tv/sport/players-un...eduction-moves

PFA statement. Wonder if Hearts did not include Hickey? PFA certainly hinting at it.

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Wonder if they consulted the union before issuing their ultimatum.
19-03-2020, 07:59 PM
Ozyhibby

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Originally Posted by 007

Wonder if they consulted the union before issuing their ultimatum.

Doesn’t sound like it. Doesn’t sound like the players are going to take their offer either.

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19-03-2020, 08:01 PM
Iggy Pope

Quote:

Originally Posted by 007

Wonder if they consulted the union before issuing their ultimatum.

:greengrin
19-03-2020, 08:06 PM
JimBHibees

Quote:

Originally Posted by brog

David Southern failed at Hearts & Dundee Utd, reinvents himself as a football business adviser & suddenly he's all over our media. How screwed up is our game & media in Scotland?

Couldn't agree more. Announcing Hearts were self sufficient a couple weeks before they went bust. Absolute chancer.
19-03-2020, 08:17 PM
Skol

I saw this across the road:

'Hearts are lucky to have a CEO with the finger on the pulse who is taking pro-active action(s) before it’s too late!
💙Queen Ann💙'

I am glad the CEO of the firm I work for doesnt have their finger on the pulse
19-03-2020, 08:21 PM
ancient hibee

Presumably these clowns will be going to their own employers and asking them to halve their wages.
19-03-2020, 08:27 PM
Greenworld

I think the most interesting part of the statement is that the clubs although we know its hearts at this stage must be prepared to be transparent on their financial position to allow them players to make financial judgements.

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19-03-2020, 08:33 PM
brog

Quote:

Originally Posted by Greenworld

I think the most interesting part of the statement is that the clubs although we know its hearts at this stage must be prepared to be transparent on their financial position to allow them players to make financial judgements.

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That will be interesting but Players' union know it won't happen. Just a negotiating point.
19-03-2020, 08:42 PM
Greenworld

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Originally Posted by brog

That will be interesting but Players' union know it won't happen. Just a negotiating point.

Yes if it was my club I wouldn't want to share that either . The problem it looks and I hope is the budge has no room for negotiation...looks like she has shown her hand straight out.

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