The generic Hearts thread

[G B Young]

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While I’m trying to take pleasure from the hertz woes I’m finding it difficult purely down to the fact that this is effecting so many people I know, most of whom are lost and scared and have no idea how their future is going to pan out. I’ve heard from mates who drive buses, working in kitchens, work in retail all who’ve been laid off this week, more have been told their hours are being cut in half. It’s distressing to see so many people in trouble. Hertz may be the first but I genuinely think we’re going to lose quite a few football clubs because of this crisis. Mostly smaller community clubs but a few of the big boys will be run close to the edge and a few may fall over it. I have sympathy for the lower paid staff because like most of us, they have no savings to fall back on. This pandemic could lead to another 1930s type depression. It is very worrying when we have in government a party who couldn’t care less for the poor and vulnerable in society. I know it’s hertz but we should all try and look at the bigger picture. Yes they’ve been badly managed for years and pissed millions up the wall but there are a lot of normal working people at that club who are facing a real crisis, who have no blame at their feet bar working for hertz.
I hope the human race will see themselves through this pandemic with a view to changing things for the better, I fear we will come through this more cynical and detached from each other though. I like seeing hertz in trouble normally but given the bigger picture is rather bleak I find it hard to take pleasure from their current crisis.

This virus doesn't discriminate according to somebody's income. There are any number of businesses, large and small, which will rapidly cease to trade due to an almost overnight cessation of demand for their services and no amount of fall-back income will save them. Politics simply doesn't come into it and as far as I can see the government are doing their best to address all areas of society in these unprecedented times.

I think most on here are capable of seeing the bigger picture (and I completely agree with you that we should do so) but as has been pointed out, those normal working people who are employed by Hearts might rightly question the club's squandering of so many unnecessary extra millions on a stand which is, ultimately, a vanity project of their owner's. The scale of this pandemic could never have been envisaged but the club had put itself in an exceptionally vulnerable position by seemingly learning little from the Romanov debacle and financial problems Scottish football has faced in recent years.

[jacomo]

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But my point is that it’s football fans in a nutshell. It wasn’t too long ago we were sitting 2nd bottom and we were shouting for the purse strings to be opened so we could get out of the mess we were in. Thankfully it doesn’t look like we over did it but that’s due to our board.

I’m sure if we went out and signed a whole whack of players beyond our means there wouldn’t be many on here saying “so and so’s a great signing, but where did we get the money???” You just get on with it.

My point is for decent normal folk, and there are some over that side of the fence, this isn’t looking great and through no fault of their own.


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Mercer wasn’t their fault.
Vlad wasn’t their fault.
Current troubles never their fault.

At some point, you have to ask why Yams get all the bragging rights when things go well but are absolved of any responsibility when things go wrong?

Of course the fans aren’t making the decisions but they help to create an atmosphere of superiority and irresponsibility.

[Caversham Green]

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The prize money is all still due to the clubs. There is a separate equal payment to all clubs that goes out monthly.


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The £1.5m being quoted is the total of the monthly payments and the year-end prize money.

[neil7908]

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Mercer wasn’t their fault.
Vlad wasn’t their fault.
Current troubles never their fault.

At some point, you have to ask why Yams get all the bragging rights when things go well but are absolved of any responsibility when things go wrong?

Of course the fans aren’t making the decisions but they help to create an atmosphere of superiority and irresponsibility.

This 100%. There are absolutely bigger things happening in the world now than football but this is a football forum and I'm happy to say I hope they go bust.

Have been living on other people's money for a long time and haven't learnt their lesson after the last charlatan they feel in love with.

Like Sevco they are delusional and deserve all they get.

[Smartie]

We should change everyone’s avatar to a picture of Hickey, just like we did with HMRC Hector during their last troubles.

Either that or the wifey who sang “the rhythm of the night” back in the day.

[FilipinoHibs]

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This 100%. There are absolutely bigger things happening in the world now than football but this is a football forum and I'm happy to say I hope they go bust.

Have been living on other people's money for a long time and haven't learnt their lesson after the last charlatan they feel in love with.

Like Sevco they are delusional and deserve all they get.

Having wasted £100+ million of other people's money, and having sat through 17 and 22 in a row, 4-0 and 5-1 and having to put up with their arrogant p**h, I am enjoying the second installment of karma..

[Cod Boy]

Had Hearts won against St Mirren last Wednesday there fans would have been getting excited as St Mirren would be relegated if positions stand. They seem to call them St liedown after events in 1986 when the league was in there own hands.

[PatHead]

The bottom line is that this problem has not been caused by the Coronavirus. That might be the final straw but it has been caused by decades of overspending and not learning from previous mistakes.

I have no sympathy for any Hearts supporter. None of them have shown any recognition of the overspend under Romano and the advantages it gave them. How many times do we have to feel sorry for them?

I hope they go to the wall, I hope that the re-constituted club (new club with no history) and supporters will learn from it and at some point in the future make it up to the top division.

In the meantime, stuff them. Relegation isn't good enough.

[lord bunberry]

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The bottom line is that this problem has not been caused by the Coronavirus. That might be the final straw but it has been caused by decades of overspending and not learning from previous mistakes.

I have no sympathy for any Hearts supporter. None of them have shown any recognition of the overspend under Romano and the advantages it gave them. How many times do we have to feel sorry for them?

I hope they go to the wall, I hope that the re-constituted club (new club with no history) and supporters will learn from it and at some point in the future make it up to the top division.

In the meantime, stuff them. Relegation isn't good enough.

Well said mate.

[Brightside]

Academy staff have been put on unpaid leave.

[Biggie]

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This 100%. There are absolutely bigger things happening in the world now than football but this is a football forum and I'm happy to say I hope they go bust.

Have been living on other people's money for a long time and haven't learnt their lesson after the last charlatan they feel in love with.

Like Sevco they are delusional and deserve all they get.

[660]

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Academy staff have been put on unpaid leave.

aHeAd Of ThE cUrVe

[makaveli1875]

Folk taking pleasure in the damage this is causing need to have a word ffs. It could easily be us in a few weeks.

[Sergio sledge]

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Academy staff have been put on unpaid leave.

Yup, I've a family member in this situation and he's going to struggle as the income from his part time work was needed to pay rent and bills. While the players are being asked to drop 50% of their salaries to prevent redundancies there's a whole group of people much harder hit than them.

Hearts won't be alone in doing this I'd imagine, so it's going to be a tough time for a lot of people.

I'm not going to take any pleasure in people losing their livelihoods.

[CloudSquall]

Hearts fans pre Mercer , the older generation , are in general quite sound. At least, they are able to have normal "banter" and can slag off Hearts themselves.


Any Hearts fan post Mercer, and I fully mean every single one of them, is a weapons grade **** who deserve nothing more than seeing their club die.

**** them.

[ancient hibee]

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Folk taking pleasure in the damage this is causing need to have a word ffs. It could easily be us in a few weeks.

Why? Our business model for many years has been to live within generated income.Hearts has been to ignore commercial realities and rely on donations to enable them to spend far more than generated income.

[Irish-Hibee]

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Folk taking pleasure in the damage this is causing need to have a word ffs. It could easily be us in a few weeks.

Have a look on kickback at the thread titled "who" and come back and say that. I will take full pleasure in seeing them disappear of the earth.

BTW hearts are not in this position because of the CV, they are in this position because of serious overspending.

[660]

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Why? Our business model for many years has been to live within generated income.Hearts has been to ignore commercial realities and rely on donations to enable them to spend far more than generated income.

Exactly. I’ll be laughing at hearts predicament safe in the knowledge that Hibs are properly run

[Since452]

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Had Hearts won against St Mirren last Wednesday there fans would have been getting excited as St Mirren would be relegated if positions stand. They seem to call them St liedown after events in 1986 when the league was in there own hands.

Very odd thing to call them. Not St Mirren's fault Hearts bottled it when they only needed a draw. To be fair they are a constant thorn in Hearts side.

[Keith_M]

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Academy staff have been put on unpaid leave.

After missing one home game?


They can't be short of funds that quickly, surely?

[Ozyhibby]

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After missing one home game?


They can't be short of funds that quickly, surely?

People thinking this is about corona virus are very much mistaken. They were clearly overspending and have flown a bit to close to the sun. It only took one cancelled game to bring them down. That is not a sustainable business.
Of course it’s ok to feel sorry for those losing their jobs but they were unsustainable jobs anyway. If it wasn’t CV it would be something else.
Hearts need to become a much smaller operation. And in the championship they can start to restructure their business.


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[04Sauzee]

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Academy staff have been put on unpaid leave.

Who are the academy staff?
How many are there?

Are we talking Eddie May? Colin Nish?

Edit... Sorry you are talking about Hearts?

[Since452]

Redundancies at my work now. Worrying times.

[Keith_M]

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Redundancies at my work now. Worrying times.

Where do you work mate?

[Since452]

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Where do you work mate?

Work in the construction industry. Most of our customers (house builders and councils) are refusing any more deliveries and cancelling orders. Seriously worrying.


Apologies probably not the right thread to be talking about myself

[PatHead]

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After missing one home game?


They can't be short of funds that quickly, surely?

Have they even missed a home game?

Their game was away to Ross County last weekend.

[ancient hibee]

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The £1.5m being quoted is the total of the monthly payments and the year-end prize money.

No it’s not.It’s from the SFA covering Academy and Licensing fees.

[jacomo]

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Folk taking pleasure in the damage this is causing need to have a word ffs. It could easily be us in a few weeks.

It could be anyone and everyone.

Why - as some seem to be suggesting - do Hearts get special treatment? Why do they deserve to avoid relegation?

I’ve said above and will happily say again: I think business rates should be waived and interest free loans offered to all clubs, Hearts included.

Of course their staff deserve help and protection.

But they are in a mess at least partly of their own making. They don’t deserve bailing out from that.

[Logie Green]

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Hearts fans pre Mercer , the older generation , are in general quite sound. At least, they are able to have normal "banter" and can slag off Hearts themselves.


Any Hearts fan post Mercer, and I fully mean every single one of them, is a weapons grade **** who deserve nothing more than seeing their club die.

**** them.

There's a fair number of their older supporters who are twisted, bigoted old fools. Don't forget it was that type of their shareholders who would gladly have seen Mercer carry out his plan. The difference between their old bigots and the Huns old bigots is that the Hun ones tell you to your face what they think of you whereas the old hertz bigots are sleekit.

[CloudSquall]

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There's a fair number of their older supporters who are twisted, bigoted old fools. Don't forget it was that type of their shareholders who would gladly have seen Mercer carry out his plan. The difference between their old bigots and the Huns old bigots is that the Hun ones tell you to your face what they think of you whereas the old hertz bigots are sleekit.

I'll gladly reconsider my position to an all encompassing "**** them all"