Let's hope so. Don't want them finished off till we have had a chance to beat them on Sunday though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mikey
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Let's hope so. Don't want them finished off till we have had a chance to beat them on Sunday though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mikey
Lets not take that chance eh? :wink: Sooner they die the better.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
As an aside, if they die today do all games against them go to 3-1 wins? If so that should put us back on top!!! Double joy.
What happens today?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mikey
Seemingly a meeting between Hearts reps and HMRC to finalise the amount and timescale for payment of monies due from the FTT.Quote:
Originally Posted by grunt
Some 'in the know' yam on JKB thinks it might be around £3m but who knows. Could be (yet more) pash.
Surely if they do end up owing the larger tax bill, it will be due immediately no? since when were HMRC a bank.
shut them down please.
Don't see how they would possibly get away with the tax case. If what they were doing was perfectly legit then what's to stop other teams doing the same? Don't see teams like Man U, Chelsea or any actual big teams doing anything similar and with the wages they pay you would think they'd look at a similar scheme if it was a legal thing to do. Hearts should get hammered for this and I for one will not lose 1 second of sleep when they do.
Another day of hope that it all comes crashing, spectacularly down in an asbestos cloud dust.
From poster on pukeback Hearts aren't contesting the tax case, they have accepted it.Quote:
Originally Posted by #FromTheCapital
Meeting today to detemine how much interest is to be added to the £1.7 million (could bring the total up to 3 in his opinion). The guy who posted it is known to people on here and is held in high regard over there, ie it will be right.
My understanding is the 1.7 million is due immeadiately but the interest can be paid up. I stand to be corrected on that however.
Please note this is over and above the £450,000 which is due on Monday and the PAYE from the October salaries that is now also due:greengrin.
If the 1.7 million is due immediately as well as the 450k on monday then there can only be one outcome. And it involves this guy right here.....Quote:
Originally Posted by scoopyboy
http://illustratorer.com/illustrator...rim-Reaper.jpg
It's actually this guy :greengrinQuote:
Originally Posted by #FromTheCapital
http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b1...e1971/vlad.gif
What I heard from an 'in the know' Hertz fan too.Quote:
Originally Posted by scoopyboy
And yet they're still talking about rebuilding that main stand over the road :crazy:
Have they gone the way of the dodo yet
It will be rebuilt alright... into a brand spanking new Tesco :-)Quote:
Originally Posted by Mikey
Ah but, they're gonna do that wi the proceeds o' the face paintin and thon Yam who's sellin beer in his front room to his yam mates :greengrinQuote:
Originally Posted by Mikey
Interview with Alex Mackie http://local.stv.tv/edinburgh/magazi...s-beating-now/
My favourite quote is the closing one "But I really do believe that this is our time, our club's time.” Your right there Mr Mackie, mmmmkay
Surely the best lines are in the opening paragraph and their definition of a 'true fan' - he has 'gravy down his scarf' - does that not make him a slaver :greengrinQuote:
Originally Posted by #FromTheCapital
Gravy doesn't show on a maroon jersey :greengrinQuote:
Originally Posted by truehibernian
Neither does ****. I know for a fact.Quote:
Originally Posted by #FromTheCapital
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Originally Posted by #FromTheCapital
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“So they used to dash off the train with their pit clothes on and into the grounds. I’m almost certain he saw the same team play that signed up for McCrae's Battalion.
“And that’s something that I think about.”
They just can't ****** help themselves ...
Alex Mackie is a very decent guy and, in a past life, was a good neighbour and friend of mine. We went to a few derbies and stood on the terracing together in the days when there was no segregation and you could enjoy a beer before and after the game without all the p!sh that goes with segregated crowds today. Personally, although it looks grim for them, I hope that he is successful. He is a football man and certainly not one for the "big team" attitude. In the unlikely event that he does succeed in saving his club I predict we will see a much more healthy mutual respect between Edinburgh's two great clubs.Quote:
Originally Posted by #FromTheCapital
He's just playing to the crowd just now for when the real fight for control starts :agree:Quote:
Originally Posted by JeMeSouviens
Nut, just nut.Quote:
Originally Posted by CentreLine
Flush them, in the most hilarious way possible.
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Originally Posted by CentreLine
I don't think its in his plans at all to 'save' hearts hence the part where he's basically asking for people to give money to FoH rather than directly to hearts. Think he's more interested in resurrecting them when they go pop.
Also there will never be a healthy mutual respect between hibs and hearts simply because of their fans arrogance and dillusions. Even now when they're at deaths door all I can hear from them is the "5-1" "big team wee team" pish that they always come out with, completely oblivious to the fact that their arrogance stems from the fact that they have overspent for years, which is also the same reason they are ****ed now.
Yes, sadly an attitude that was born with segregartion. Thankfully Alec (and me for that matter) began our football spectation lives when we went to enjoy the game WITH the opposition fans and did't see it as some sort of tribal war.Quote:
Originally Posted by #FromTheCapital
Rivalry and not hatred is what the game used to thrive on. Personally I preferred it that way.
Me too. I find it really depressing reading and hearing some of the vitriol these days. Sometimes I think I have much more in common with the rational and moderate Hearts fans than I do with some of the extreme Hibby views I've heard recently.Quote:
Originally Posted by CentreLine
Good insight mate and I'm sure he is a nice guy - but the mutual respect thing is long gone, similar to the cigar smokey non-segregation days you mention.Quote:
Originally Posted by CentreLine
Hearts fans, in general, have a post Mercer generation who felt they were the 3rd force regardless of results, and felt they were the 'challenge to the Old Firm' - above their competitors. Their 'big team, big cup' mentality reminds me of our 'hibs flair' taglines - quite often a myth in today's football to be honest. We are similar sized clubs with the same ambitions - end of ! The huge difference is the way we've been run. They've spent money they don't have yet now expect sympathy from the football world - yet they are still (apparently) owned by a 'billionaire owner' - so if so, do as we all do in life, face up to financial responsibility, and pay your bills on time every time. Especially if Romanov himself is sounding off saying there is not a problem.
I remember when I grew up and went to school, Hearts fans were almost looked down upon and it was seen as slightly embarrassing to support them. Hibs had a fashionable appeal, dare I say brought on by the casuals and the atmosphere at Easter Road in the 80's - I know that is shallow and 'non footballing' but it's true. Even at weekends when clubs became popular, Hibs and supporting Hibs was a fashion statement - we were pretty crap when it came to football on the pitch which made it all the more intriguing as to why Hibs were the 'in club' in Edinburgh.
That said, there was not the arrogance that Hearts fans are now engrained with - the 'big team' mentality - like I say supporting Hibernian was as much a fashion statement as it was 'in the blood'.
I have plenty mates who support Hearts and I know people who work for them - all good guys and girls, all of whom I'm always happy to have a drink with a chat football - they are like minded people who don't fall into the above traps. That's why I want them to survive, but want them to develop some humility and appreciate that they have gained what they've gained through a false economy - if others had followed their fiscal model I'm certain we'd be sitting on more cup wins or more favourable victories.
A level playing field is what we strive for, and Hibernian are in a much better place once that is established. The arrogance of a lot of their fans however is deep rooted after 2 decades of delusions of grandeur.
I hope they go the same way as my lunch will in due course.
Not fussed which is flushed away 1st.
Please give me a link for thisQuote:
Originally Posted by Mikey
Brilliant!! Literally lol'dQuote:
Originally Posted by truehibernian
LTYF :wink:Quote:
Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod
There are no Tanks in Iraq.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mikey
If there are any rational etc, then they're awfully quiet and have been for years.Quote:
Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod
Certainly any rational and realistic viewpoints on Kickback are shouted down and outed as potential Hobo's so they appear to post less and less for fear of vilification. Prior to collapse it becomes mob rule.Quote:
Originally Posted by clerriehibs
And this cockiness, and their complacency, is their biggest enemy. They think there is someone waiting to step in , and who has the financial clout to take on Vlad, when the situation gets desperate enough. There isnt. They think the very worst that can happen is they join their brethern in D3 and more or less continue in the Sevco mould. Its not.
Their demise, when it comes, will be swift and sudden. As is the nature of these things they will toddle along for long enough and then fall off a cliff.
I've wondered about that as well but I can't see any way in which they won't get to start again in division 3, even if tynecastle is sold to Tesco they'll ground share at livi or something.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kaiser1962
Imo this fans group will take over the running of hearts after they've been liquidated and will start again in division 3. No idea when this will happen but that's what my money is on.
My simple hearts friend thinks vlad must have the Money to pay the bill if there not contesting it in court.
What does Romanov put in these cakes for them to be so dilustional.
Stop it Bingo, your getting me excited at my desk :greengrinQuote:
Originally Posted by bingo70
Why would they go automatically into division 3? If HMFC go into liquidation, then they cease to exist. The new club (unlike the huns) would have no registered players and no stadium (unless they buy it from Vlad). Spartans or the Strollers, among others, would have a more valid claim for the vacant spot than Newyam Ltd.Quote:
Originally Posted by bingo70
What would be hilarious is if there were 2 or 3 pheonix clubs all making the claim to be Hearts (given the number of different groups that have sprung up) - "Are you The Heart of Midlothian?" - "F*** off! We're Hearts of Midlothian." and so on ... :greengrin
Perhaps they are not contesting as they seem not to have any money to pay the lawyers. And you know lawyers dont come cheep..........works out about 400 cakes per hour. Even robbo cant eat that many.
I strongly suspect that this is pretty much how it will play out.Quote:
Originally Posted by bingo70
In the finally analysis, the supporters or any club are the club, not the board, players or even the ground.
While Hearts won't die, it looks like they will lose all of these and have to start at the lowest level of Scottish football, without a ground, or anything like the finances available to the Huns.
It will be a long and painful road back for them.
On the bright side (for them, it's all bright for us) the more excitable element in their supporter might learn some realism and humility.
Not exactly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Peevemor
The liquidator would have the "name" to sell, in the same way that D&P sold RFC's name. If there were lots of groups interested, then that would push the price up.
You might find that OldYam was worth 5 times as much as OldHun. :greengrin
I'm no so sure about Div 3 :DQuote:
Originally Posted by bingo70
With newco hun they (arguably) kept an operating club together... Kept paying their players, had a stadium etc etc which allowed the SFA to pretend they were the same ish club which gave newco a toe in the door of Div 3.
With the Yams it's very possibly going to be a melt down. They'll lose the PBS and as they don't have a training ground Won't have a fall back to use as a "head quarters", players won't be paid so all contracts will lapse, back office team will go etc etc..... A Yam newco would actually have less going for it than gala or whoever it was that tried to get into the leagues previously. This would make it really difficult for them to be levered straight back in...... Hopefully!
I should imagine the successful bidder will be a fan-backed consortium of local businessmen, and, probably, that one will wangle himself into a Mercer role. They will then be shoehorned into Div 3 as the Hun precedent has been set.Quote:
Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod
In that scenario there is nothing to stop loads of folk setting up New Hearts FC's and claiming the right to the division 3 place. Might just set one up myself. :thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by bingo70
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Originally Posted by Dashing Bob S
I think you're right. Alex Mackie from the Foundation of the Hard-up clearly fancies himself in the role. The SFA will seek to use HMFC to try and lend a bit of legitimacy to their made up "transfer of membership" pish from the Hun fiasco.
In fact, didn't D&P include the SFA membership in the asset sale?
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Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod
Not if Vlad has better lawyers than Craigie Boy, and Gateley LLP must fall into that category.
Vlad's security is "a standard security over Tynecastle Stadium and a floating charge across the assets of the Company.
I think Vlad gets the Club name and badge unless some supporters group out bids the remains of UBIG debt after the stadium value, and the accumulated cash pile, is removed from the debt.Still I'm sure the yams will be happy to pay Vlad forever more as they will no doubt believe he will change his mind and show it by building the Mega -stand and signing world cup stars once again. :greengrin
Sorry, but the lawyers are irrelevant. If the club is in liquidation, then it's the liquidators who sell whatever assets they are. Vlad has no say in that process.Quote:
Originally Posted by greenginger
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Originally Posted by hibbymac
Your one has my backingQuote:
Originally Posted by hibs0666
If the Merrics do get Liquidated, loose the ground and get pumped to Div 3 with new owners, do you think we will let them ground share with us in the short term?
Only if they pay rent of £5m per minute and pay it a month before each game.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheReg!
It aint heavy, its Vlads wallet!Quote:
Originally Posted by Dashing Bob S
Assuming they do go under in the next few days or weeks I'd fully expect them to bumble along in some form so that they can complete this season. And I would fully expect a team called Hearts, playing in maroon, taking to the field somewhere between the SPL and Div3 next season. It might not be the same Hearts, but it'll be Hearts.
It could even be Hibs0666's Hearts :greengrin
How, though? Bumbling along, in any form, would cost money. Which they don't appear to have. Could they be liquidated and readmitted to the SPL during the course of the season? These are genuine questions, btw. Not having a go. :greengrinQuote:
Originally Posted by Mikey
No. :cbQuote:
Originally Posted by s.a.m
Any inevitable talk from the establishment about how important HoM.FC are to the community should be immediately refuted with images of the empty seats last night.
So important to the community that they can't sell out their bus shelter against Celtic when the club are desperate for cash. :rolleyes:
It would be totally against normal financial rules, and against logic, but the Scottish footballing authorities won't want to lose them completely. So something will be done!Quote:
Originally Posted by s.a.m
It'll still hurt though :nanafunk:
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Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
Yup I can't see The Council doing anything for them. I say ground share and fleece them! What else could they do? No matter where they play it ain't gonna be the PBS that's for sure:aok:
Yes, but if Vlad offers " x " millions of his debt for a particular assets the liquidator would not be accepting a fraction of the amount from someone else.Quote:
Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod
Or would he ? :confused:
BTW. I only mentioned the lawyers because Craig Whyte's security on Ibrox turned out to be worthless.
The discussion was on the number of splinter groups that appear to be interested. I was talking about the possibility of their being an auction amongst them.Quote:
Originally Posted by greenginger
If Vlad comes up with a bid of £10, then it's his. :greengrin
Could the admin pricks here not organise some sort of semi-credible bid for the PhoenixCo Yams? Just enough to get reported in the press as a serious, or even unserious, bid? Even if just to get some "We'd sooner date Marilyn Monroe than allow our club to fall into the hands of weeteamers" response? Petty, but I'd contribute.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mikey
Right I know the Yams are stupid but why would they build a stand over the road, where would the traffic go :confused: do you think they would build an underpass ??Quote:
Originally Posted by Mikey
Surely the best place to build their new super stand would be alongside the pitch pretty much where the old one is now. :wink:
on the sauce early today, are we?Quote:
Originally Posted by reallapsedhibee
All unsuccessful bids get turned down with a humorous reference to Marilyn Monroe. It's what big clubs do. :agree:Quote:
Originally Posted by monktonharp
I posted about this last week but I can't remember if it was in this thread or another one :greengrin
Anyway, I've heard of another instance of a company that's being threatened with bad press if they take Hearts to court over money due to them. And it's l-o-o-o-n-g overdue!!
From what I can make out, no-one's getting paid anything!
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Originally Posted by Mikey
Unfortunately I've still not had any response from Edinburgh Council to my freedom of information request about unpaid business rates and rent by the Yams.
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Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod
I kind of like the idea of Vlad owning the Yam name and badge and him leasing it to one of the many Yam ( in ) action groups.
They would be Vlad Serfs and as one lot run out of kiddies piggy banks and cake-mix, another lot step forward to be bled dry. :thumbsup:
They only have a set number of days to respond - 20 working days I think it is.Quote:
Originally Posted by greenginger
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Originally Posted by JimBHibees
I know, I requested the information on the 14th of November so they have still got a couple of weeks left if they stretch it to the limit.
still, we can always hope its dealt with by a non-yam who takes their job seriously ! :greengrin
They'll say anything to make them purchase more of Del Boys shares. Funny thing is..... they actually will. They'll lap it up.
Will this be the year that they tell their kids that Santa got stuck in a chimney somewhere and couldn't get out to deliver the presents?
the only thing being strengthened down at tynie is the grip of the repo men!
muppets:na na:
I suppose there could be some truth in it.
Window opens at start of January and they offload 10 players, then on the 31st of January they "strengthen" the squad
by promoting more youth players.
Yamanomics at it's best!!
Well, I'm convinced.
They are so.deperate and needy I'm almost embarrassed for them.
So what happened today?Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibby Kay-Yay
Words cannot express how dumb a jambo would have to be to swallow that load of pish.:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Fred Perry
These brazen cheating ****ers would have no problem deferring wages, tax and everything else then signing players. No ****ing shame whatsoever. Also shows up the SPL and their toothless rules and sanctions.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fred Perry
calm doonQuote:
Originally Posted by Spike Mandela
you are reacting to a mischievious misquote.
sometimes it's difficult to separate the sanity from the sanitary on here.
the guy charged with selling hearts says that if a **** load of money comes in they could see the squad strengthened.
no commitment, just a dangling carrot to those yet to buy into the hearts cause.
If we sell a ****load of tickets it could see Griffiths staying. ergo, our 'squad' would be strengthened.
You forget that they don't have to pay a large sum of money to new signings they merely need to offer a large sum to the gullible fools.Quote:
Originally Posted by comfortablynumb
Hearts changing the phrase 'unpaid wages' to 'deferred wages' and the SPL's inability to punish flagrant rule breaking has opened the door for this to happen and imo they will unbelievably sign players in January with absolutely no shame.
The Deferred wages scheme should see all the big names lining up, they can share a squat with Ryan Stevenson. This is actually a non story in that for it to happen they need to have money.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fred Perry
threatened by whom?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mikey
I can see a fairly obvious flaw in this line of reasoning.Quote:
Originally Posted by blindsummit
Does anyone have any more info about the meeting that apparently took place today?
GG is going out with Deep Throat tonight and will pump herQuote:
Originally Posted by Stevie Reid
for more information.
:greengrin
That is an even better senario. A Hearts supporters group would have to pay Vlad even more money to buy the club name back. Their cake bakes would, in the end, have counted for nothing......2012, a very costly xmas for the jambos!Quote:
Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod
What a shambles and an embarrassment to the city.
Um... you do know that the Huns name was sold for £1, don't you? :wink:Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibeesforever
Hearts issue statement - Still £1.3M to find.
http://www.heartsfc.co.uk/articles/2...241384_2995481
No, no,no, I may get a call tonight if there is anything she can report. I won't be meeting her in a multi-story car park thats for sure. :wink:Quote:
Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod
see you can't use a card to by a half season ticket either, they are after cold hard cash, the merchants must really be worried about themQuote:
Originally Posted by Sergey
Not quite, Hearts have said they need the fans to cough up £2million for the club to survive the season. Here he is suggesting that they may go out and use some of that sum to increasetheirmcosts further.Quote:
Originally Posted by comfortablynumb
So either there's an amount within that sum that isn't needed to cover their costs, so it was avlie to say that they needed that amount to survive, or they will spend money in January then run out before the end of the season and have to get the begging bowl out again...
Inside information :greengrin:Quote:
Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod
The initial link on here takes you to another link on there where the wording has been misquoted on here. That link takes you to an article, can't find where it says they will use the money required to save the club to sign further players. the word IF is used in their income calculations and nowhere is reducing costs by shifting players on mentioned so that could still be taken into account.Quote:
Originally Posted by ScottB
If they need a sum to survive and they either don't reach that sum or they spend the money they raised for survival on something else then you would have to assume they will not survive.
The 3rd paragraph from the bottom of the article on the official site, ....Quote:
Originally Posted by comfortablynumb
"For the remaining 10 home league fixtures this season, if we were to achieve attendances of over 16,000 at Tynecastle then this would inject a much-needed £800,000 into the club and ensure our survival through until the end of the season. If we achieve a good run of sales in both the share issue and tickets in December it gives us a hope of improving our squad in January. It is in our power to do this and we hope that fans will continue to rally to the cause."
yep,Quote:
Originally Posted by hibbymac
IF
and
HOPE
If not, then the HOPE doesn't get a look in.
Even IF they do, they're screwed, it's unsustainable according to themselves.
There's another IF further up. 16,000 at every home game til the end of the season? maybe, maybe not
Emotional blackmail and threats worked up to a point and now the cash has stopped flowing in and is now a mere a trickle they are dangling a carrot for the gullible fools. An utterly shameful display of begging going on over there.
I honestly don't know if I'll be able to cope with all the hearty laughing ill do if all their donations and share money are hoovered up by vlad before he puts the padlock on the gates one last time.
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Originally Posted by degenerated
They're actually talking about buying/signing new players?????!! What is wrong with them? How can people be so utterly deluded and stupid?Quote:
Originally Posted by hibbymac
That's optimistic :greengrinQuote:
Originally Posted by Mon Dieu4
Unbelievable that the club comes out and says we need 1.3 million in the next few weeks to keep going and no one on brokeback even comments on it. No threads or nothing.
Probably guests on here keeping up with the latest newsQuote:
Originally Posted by DarrenSQH