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He'll just get the best lawyers and get off with it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Callum_62
Interesting all the republicans outraged the day but weren't outraged when chanting 'lock her up' during Trumps last campaign
I’m reading it could take year or more to even reach trial.Quote:
Originally Posted by LunasBoots
There’s no comparison between the likes of Trump, MTG, Boebert, Gaetz et al and any mainstream UK party.Quote:
Originally Posted by cabbageandribs1875
I'm not so sure. I don't think we are quite there yet. But...Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibs Class
The Rwanda stuff is just as bad as "build the wall" and Boris and his supporters have come across as increasingly Trumpian with their reaction to the covid enquiry against him. And Brexit was as big a lie as any told by the Republicans.
In my lifetime it's generally been a case of where America goes, we follow. And I think we are pretty close behind.
Totally agree the widespread corruption the compliance of the media and broadcasters suggest we aren't far off and certainly following a similar path.Quote:
Originally Posted by neil7908
Corruption in UK is as bad today I think as it has been at any time in my lifetime. And nobody seems to care. Everyone can see it happening and there seems to be no penalty for it. And there is nothing from Labour about stopping it.Quote:
Originally Posted by JimBHibees
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Evidence?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
Find your own. It is my opinion.Quote:
Originally Posted by archie
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So no evidence then.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
https://amp.theguardian.com/uk-news/...-russia-brazil
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:top marksQuote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
https://www.transparency.org.uk/uk-corruption-perceptions-index-2022-score-CPIQuote:
Originally Posted by archie
I think that's spot on. There's numerous mps swanning about without a concern about punishment or repercussions to their blatant disregard to the rule of law or indeed, human decency.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
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That's exactly the sort of thing I thought Ozyhibby would post. What does it show? A declining score - that's a legitimate issue. But significantly better than the average. Not grounds for complacency.Quote:
Originally Posted by neil7908
He says, complacently.Quote:
Originally Posted by archie
Well said sir, I wish more posters would follow your lead on this 👍Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
GGTTH
How can you take that from what I posted?Quote:
Originally Posted by grunt
Just post unsubstantiated opinion? Really?Quote:
Originally Posted by Eaststand
It’s a politics forum for fitba fans.Quote:
Originally Posted by archie
I quite like an arena where folk are free to share opinions whether they be credible or not or whether they be evidence backed or not.
There are enough demands in other parts of my life to provide references when making decisions.
We’re not asked to provide evidence when we put our democratic tick in the box.
Although any time anyone wants to provide anything they consider to be “evidence” then that’s welcome. Even if it comes from the Spectator.
OK. But in my opinion (geddit) the views people put forward for debate are richer if they are grounded in some objective reality.Quote:
Originally Posted by Smartie
A perfectly reasonable opinion.Quote:
Originally Posted by archie
“Objective reality” is easier to quantify in some areas than others.
Such as above - some “evidence” has been provided re Tory corruption. I think a fair bit of weight can be given to intuitive gut feel here - does it feel like they’re taking the piss out of us?
And I’d happily provide my opinion (they’re a shower of absolute charlatans) yet respect that of someone who might disagree and not be all that bothered about providing evidence.
I think it really depends on the issue. I agree that the Tories are a shower of charlatans. As a political opinion I don't think that needs evidenced. Why? Because it's a summary of how you feel. But there's a lot of assertions on here that need a bit more than the feelz. It was posted recently about how England takes our water. That was simply untrue and I think that should be challenged. Predictably that was met with 'not yet'. There's been similar stuff on energy prices.Quote:
Originally Posted by Smartie
Ultimately it a sub forum of a football forum and people can post what they like. But I think it's legitimate to ask for evidence. While I think it weakens a point if people won't provide any, that's up to them.
Also, posting on here is a bit of fun - the day it isn't is when I stop.
My original point was that nobody seems to care that the levels of corruption are rising and Archie is proving that with this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Smartie
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Which bit of the declining score being an issue and not being complacent about being above the western European average leads you to suggest I don't care?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
By the simple method of reading what you wrote.Quote:
Originally Posted by archie
As said to Ozyhibby: ' Which bit of the declining score being an issue and not being complacent about being above the western European average leads you to suggest I don't care?'Quote:
Originally Posted by grunt
Maybe reading what you want to see rather than what I said?
The media is a good point as well actually.Quote:
Originally Posted by JimBHibees
Our tabloids have always been terrible but Fox News was still ahead in the awfulness stakes.
However, that Mail, Express and even the supposed intellectual broadsheets like that Telegraph and Times have got more and more right wing and unhinged in the last 10 or so years.
And we now have the likes of GB news and Talk TV.
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Originally Posted by archie
Michelle Moane pocketing millions for PPE that was useless
Dodgy PPE contracts
Illegal parties during covid
Lying to the House of Commons
That's 4 just of the top of my head.
1. Might be 2. Might be. 3. Evidence of the opposite - they got FPNs and Johnson is being held up for misleading Parliament. 4. Not evidence of corruption.Quote:
Originally Posted by J-C
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Originally Posted by archie
Jeez man you're a right staunch Tory, even to the point of denying everything that's obvious, I'll just skim your posts from now on as they're nonsense.
Clearly you haven't read my posts as, if you had, you would realise that 'staunch tory' couldn't be further from the truth. Just because you want something to be true doesn't make it so. Which bit was 'nonsense' BTW?Quote:
Originally Posted by J-C
The VIP Lane was found to be illegal in a court of law.Quote:
Originally Posted by archie
Nothing material has come from that decision and no one has been held to account.
Explain how the corruption in these multiple cases is "might be".
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The bill for wasted / inadequate PPE is currently more than £14bn. That's £14bn of our money that people have received - many of them friends and family of Tory party MPs, members and donors - and we've had nothing in return. Tell me how that's not corruption in plain sight.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kato
And people get exercised about the ferries.
This is going to be really interesting watching it all unfold.
It'll take us right up to the election and the very real possibility that he will be up against Biden again.
Crazy to think that he's anywhere near the Republican nomination, let alone the favourite.
Heard some analysis by an American commentator on 5 live the other night. They reckoned this will rally his base and thus make him more likely to win the nomination but simultaneously be alienating swing voters and making him less likely to beat Biden. Biden is not exactly soaring in the popularity stakes himself, it's reckoned that Trump is the only Republican he'd probably beat.Quote:
Originally Posted by WhileTheChief..
I think archie is straddling the tricky divide of criticising the running of the British state by Tories but simultaneously defending the functioning of the British state because to suggest otherwise might lead to Scottish Indy.Quote:
Originally Posted by J-C
"The car will be fine if we can just change the driver".
Ironically, the real Archie supported Yes. :wink:
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Originally Posted by ArchieGoal
In Fahrenheit 11/9 Michael Moore showed the more negative press the better the polling for Trump, woke elites attacking Trump ect.
Sadly similar is happening this week as Trump has risen in the polls, 25 points ahead of Di Santis and leading Biden. Republicans also sadly odds on to win next year
The law is the law though. If he has broken it then he should be prosecuted.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7
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No doubt about that, he definitely shouldQuote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
Now under arrest. Will get finger prints but no mugshot boo
The real, real Archie here. Nothing tricky about it. Irrespective of the issue you guys raise the solution is always separation. I don't support a yes vote because I think it would be convulsive and seriously impact ordinary people. To be fair yes supporters here have acknowledged risk and pain with independence.Quote:
Originally Posted by JeMeSouviens
I thought this was supposed to be a thread about Trump?
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Is it not about BBC bias?Quote:
Originally Posted by Keith_M
Trump is an absolute maniac.
A dangerous one.
I just hope enough of the 320 million Americans can see through this nonsense.
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Originally Posted by Glory Lurker
Nothing is ever on topic anymore.
Archie could make Donald Trump digress from his main points :greengrin
Hopefully a dead cat bounce but can see him definitely being nominated, will be harder against Biden, hopefully
“Trump leads with 51%, DeSantis 21%, Mike Pence 6%, Nikki Haley 4%, In our January survey, Trump led the field with 43%, and DeSantis was at 31%. Trump’s lead has gone from 12 points to 30 points” https://mclaughlinonline.com/2023/04...da-indictment/
In a nation of 300 million people, how earth can Grandpa Joe and Donald ****ing Trump be the only two candidates people can choose from? Its a nonsense.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7
How can the Bush family have had two presidents and a third member run and the Clinton's have one and another candidate in the last 40 years?Quote:
Originally Posted by Jones28
Sorry, for all I know you may be a lovely archie, but there's only one real Archie. :wink:Quote:
Originally Posted by archie
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CMoRkdrUkAAzLu1.jpg
If you want the Dems to win in the end, pray he does get nominated. Any other Republican will win easily.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7
That is my take too. Biden can't beat any of the others.Quote:
Originally Posted by JeMeSouviens
I am Archie!Quote:
Originally Posted by JeMeSouviens
Here's a new leftfield candidate to freshen things up: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-65197673Quote:
Originally Posted by archie
What?
Oh.
And it's Trump v Kennedy in the race for the White House!
Zero chance that’s happening.Quote:
Originally Posted by heretoday
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seven years jail for this one Capitol rioter who crushed officer with shield gets prison (msn.com)
Not as extreme, but pretty ******g extreme compared to pretty much anyoneQuote:
Originally Posted by hibsbollah
A reup mate. De santis has just banned abortion Post 6 weeks, thats before a huge number even know they are pregnant. Rape and incest victims can get a waver but only after they have a police report and restraining order
He claimed the law would "defend the dignity of human life and transform Florida into a pro-family state
https://mobile.twitter.com/Imposter_Edits/status/1646995262743691266
Fascist Ron DeSantis has to remind the people he has forced to be around him as he signs the 6-week abortion bill to cheer. The bill forces underage victims of sex crimes to have paperwork before a medical emergency abortion
Thanks, I haven’t been following political developments much this week. An interesting take from The Hill here. DeSantis is being dragged by the short and curlies on the issue, I don’t think he wants to fight it, and it’s far from clear in a VERY fractured state like Florida whether it’s a vote winner even amongst the GOP. (Also, it’s 15 weeks in cases of rape and incest, the areas where he’s taken a less extreme position than the religious right, because he knows THATs what hurt them electorally before, even for some of the nutters in the lunatic right wing fringe, lack of exemptions makes no sense). He’s a dangerous extremist no doubt about it of course.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7
https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/3951097-desantis-abortion-2024-trump-roe-florida/amp/
It's worrying that someone you would think would have clout being in the running for president would be controlled by that group. Trump is a populist and I don't think cares about much but the second favourite seems in the pockets of fundamentalists.Quote:
Originally Posted by hibsbollah
Republicans are favourites for next year. Could we see abortion being illegal federally next year. It's scary. America really is knackered and I like large parts of it and many of its people
The Evangelical movement is absolutely huge in a way it’s hard for other countries to properly understand. We’re talking 25% of the US population being broadly evangelical Protestant and 10% being proper ‘born again’ radical political evangelicals. These people are entitled by definition (they have a ‘manifest destiny’ to be there, remember those bible classes, chil’ren) and influence all sorts of nasty policy areas like abortion, Israel and the Middle East and race politics.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7
In lots of ways they are very different from the new Incel inspired, freedom first gun loving libertarians who want to give BLM activists a beating on demos in urban areas who are probably more naturally aligned with DeSantis, but they are all hitched to the same political wagon. Equally nasty (in my eyes at least) but motivated by different things.
GIRUY to this Trump erchie.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-65350125
Tucker Carlson sacked by Fox.
Good although he'll get some poisonous online platform I'm sureQuote:
Originally Posted by grunt
Possible that this could make him even more dangerousQuote:
Originally Posted by grunt
Wonder if this was a demand as part of the Dominion settlement agreement. Timing is too much of a coincidence.Quote:
Originally Posted by grunt
Probably reboot info wars with that Alex Jones prick.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7
He just cost his boss 3/4 of a billion dollars. I doubt it’s a coincidence.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lendo
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I don't think so.Quote:
Originally Posted by weecounty hibby
Being part of a mainstream media gave him a plausibility that he didn't really deserve. Whilst he'll probably be able to be more pernicious in a dark little corner of the internet and whip up morons in more dangerous ways, it's a bit different when he becomes "that guy that used to be on the telly" instead of "the guy on the telly".
Whilst I believe that the media should be as free as possible, I also believe that there should be consequences for those who recklessly and dangerously use misinformation to cause harm.
I agree. He'll have big figures I'm sure, but fox is huge for a big proportion of brainwashed people in the USQuote:
Originally Posted by Smartie
I often wonder with people like him, how much of the ***** they are coming out with do they actually believe or are they just playing to their audience, they are on a good gig and great money so they just spout what they are told, not that it's worked for him on this oneQuote:
Originally Posted by weecounty hibby
He could likely double down and go down some subscription route and make a total killing from folk on the right now though
The WhatsApp chats in the court case showed he knew the rigged election stuff he was saying each night was rubbish, he also basically said most fox viewers are idiots. Lots of covid grifters are the same I think, they know much of what they say is crap but money winsQuote:
Originally Posted by Mon Dieu4
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Originally Posted by grunt
He’s not the only TV presenter getting the boot.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-65380349
https://twitter.com/GaryPetersonUSA/...BHJdg1Oag&s=19
Gaslighting attempts over Carlson's sacking.
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Sky News are actually showing the live flight tracker as his plane comes in to land in Aberdeen with a running commentary from their Scotland correspondent. Thankfully the BBC aren't!
Sky are actually treating this **** like royalty.
Sky reporter calling him Mr President. Astonishing.
Sadly, that is the protocol for addressing past presidents. No matter how much of a **** they are. Hopefully that will change when he gets the jailQuote:
Originally Posted by Hiber-nation
Ah ok never knew that! Thought I'd tuned into Fox when the presenter in the studio was referring to the current incumbent as "Biden" and still going on about "the President" when referring to Trump.Quote:
Originally Posted by weecounty hibby
At a stretch I can understand that being the protocol in the US but don't see why anybody else needs to pay attention to it. I know we won't disagree.Quote:
Originally Posted by weecounty hibby
I only learned about the Mr President thing when I heard Dubya on telly address Mandela as Mr President. I laughed at Bush, thinking he couldn't remember Mandela's name, which you'd of course not have put past him, then somebody explained it to me and spoiled it.
Nearly as bad as President Biden congratulating the Irish rugby team for defeating the Black and Tans.Quote:
Originally Posted by Glory Lurker
Just looked that up! Shows where his thoughts are!Quote:
Originally Posted by greenginger
Who's footing the bill for all of the red carpet and pipers treatment?
Neither HMG or SG, so presumably a combination of him and the USG.Quote:
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It could come out of the £ 2 billion underspend.Quote:
Originally Posted by davy67 +
A £2 billion underspend? Surely not? The Scottish Government are driving the Scottish economy into the ground and are directly responsible for Scotland's massive debt share.Quote:
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Originally Posted by HarpOnHibee
https://www.scottishdailyexpress.co....spend-29840197
Did the All Blacks come out and fight them like a man?Quote:
Originally Posted by greenginger
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Would that be the same Daily Express that claims the SNP are also responsible for Scotland's annual deficit?Quote:
Originally Posted by greenginger
How can they simultaneously create a deficit while under-spending the budget? :hmmm:
The deficit isn’t the same as debt.Quote:
Originally Posted by HarpOnHibee
What's your point? Deficit is the contributing factor to debt.Quote:
Originally Posted by archie
Care to explain what you mean? The deficit in Scotland leads to an effective fiscal transfer from UKG.Quote:
Originally Posted by HarpOnHibee
It's UK Government spending in Scotland beyond the control of Holyrood.Quote:
Originally Posted by archie
Like pensions? It's good that these are paid, isn’t it?Quote:
Originally Posted by HarpOnHibee
Right, but Scotland's annual deficit and the accumulation towards it's share of the UK National Debt figure can't exactly be blamed on the Scottish Government, when the Scottish Government is working with a budget that is considerably less than Scotland's overall tax contributions to the treasury, a budget that is regularly under-spent.Quote:
Originally Posted by archie
It’s not always in Scotland. Sometimes it’s just spending for our benefit that happens in England. Like coronations etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by HarpOnHibee
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Or spending on infrastructure in Scotland for the extraction of resources that benefit other parts of the UK. Scotland's "deficit" though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
The Scottish Government budget is less than the tax take in Scotland. But the UK Government spends money here as well. The total spend by both governments is higher than the total tax take here.Quote:
Originally Posted by HarpOnHibee
Yes, but my point still stands. The Scottish Government has no control over direct spending decisions made by the UK Government, which is where the annual deficit stems from. So any suggestion that Scotland's annual deficit is some result of economic incompetency from the Scottish Government is completely false.Quote:
Originally Posted by archie