(Soon to be) Former President Donald Trump

[blackpoolhibs]

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[LunasBoots]

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...mpaign=wp_main

Lock him up....

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He'll just get the best lawyers and get off with it.

Interesting all the republicans outraged the day but weren't outraged when chanting 'lock her up' during Trumps last campaign

[hibsbollah]

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He'll just get the best lawyers and get off with it.

Interesting all the republicans outraged the day but weren't outraged when chanting 'lock her up' during Trumps last campaign

I’m reading it could take year or more to even reach trial.

[Hibs Class]

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the GOP is rife with repugnant individuals nowayears....just like a certain political party in the UK



Greene's DC jail visit pulls GOP closer to Jan. 6 rioters (msn.com)

There’s no comparison between the likes of Trump, MTG, Boebert, Gaetz et al and any mainstream UK party.

[neil7908]

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There’s no comparison between the likes of Trump, MTG, Boebert, Gaetz et al and any mainstream UK party.

I'm not so sure. I don't think we are quite there yet. But...

The Rwanda stuff is just as bad as "build the wall" and Boris and his supporters have come across as increasingly Trumpian with their reaction to the covid enquiry against him. And Brexit was as big a lie as any told by the Republicans.

In my lifetime it's generally been a case of where America goes, we follow. And I think we are pretty close behind.

[JimBHibees]

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I'm not so sure. I don't think we are quite there yet. But...

The Rwanda stuff is just as bad as "build the wall" and Boris and his supporters have come across as increasingly Trumpian with their reaction to the covid enquiry against him. And Brexit was as big a lie as any told by the Republicans.

In my lifetime it's generally been a case of where America goes, we follow. And I think we are pretty close behind.

Totally agree the widespread corruption the compliance of the media and broadcasters suggest we aren't far off and certainly following a similar path.

[Ozyhibby]

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Totally agree the widespread corruption the compliance of the media and broadcasters suggest we aren't far off and certainly following a similar path.

Corruption in UK is as bad today I think as it has been at any time in my lifetime. And nobody seems to care. Everyone can see it happening and there seems to be no penalty for it. And there is nothing from Labour about stopping it.


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[archie]

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Corruption in UK is as bad today I think as it has been at any time in my lifetime. And nobody seems to care. Everyone can see it happening and there seems to be no penalty for it. And there is nothing from Labour about stopping it.


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Evidence?

[Ozyhibby]

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Evidence?

Find your own. It is my opinion.


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[archie]

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Find your own. It is my opinion.


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So no evidence then.

[Ozyhibby]

https://amp.theguardian.com/uk-news/...-russia-brazil


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[grunt]

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Find your own. It is my opinion.

[neil7908]

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So no evidence then.

https://www.transparency.org.uk/uk-corruption-perceptions-index-2022-score-CPI

[Just_Jimmy]

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Corruption in UK is as bad today I think as it has been at any time in my lifetime. And nobody seems to care. Everyone can see it happening and there seems to be no penalty for it. And there is nothing from Labour about stopping it.


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I think that's spot on. There's numerous mps swanning about without a concern about punishment or repercussions to their blatant disregard to the rule of law or indeed, human decency.

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[archie]

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https://www.transparency.org.uk/uk-corruption-perceptions-index-2022-score-CPI

That's exactly the sort of thing I thought Ozyhibby would post. What does it show? A declining score - that's a legitimate issue. But significantly better than the average. Not grounds for complacency.

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That's exactly the sort of thing I thought Ozyhibby would post. What does it show? A declining score - that's a legitimate issue. But significantly better than the average. Not grounds for complacency.

He says, complacently.

[Eaststand]

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Find your own. It is my opinion.


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Well said sir, I wish more posters would follow your lead on this 👍

GGTTH

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He says, complacently.

How can you take that from what I posted?

[archie]

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Well said sir, I wish more posters would follow your lead on this 👍

GGTTH

Just post unsubstantiated opinion? Really?

[Smartie]

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Just post unsubstantiated opinion? Really?

It’s a politics forum for fitba fans.

I quite like an arena where folk are free to share opinions whether they be credible or not or whether they be evidence backed or not.

There are enough demands in other parts of my life to provide references when making decisions.

We’re not asked to provide evidence when we put our democratic tick in the box.

Although any time anyone wants to provide anything they consider to be “evidence” then that’s welcome. Even if it comes from the Spectator.

[archie]

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It’s a politics forum for fitba fans.

I quite like an arena where folk are free to share opinions whether they be credible or not or whether they be evidence backed or not.

There are enough demands in other parts of my life to provide references when making decisions.

We’re not asked to provide evidence when we put our democratic tick in the box.

Although any time anyone wants to provide anything they consider to be “evidence” then that’s welcome. Even if it comes from the Spectator.

OK. But in my opinion (geddit) the views people put forward for debate are richer if they are grounded in some objective reality.

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OK. But in my opinion (geddit) the views people put forward for debate are richer if they are grounded in some objective reality.

A perfectly reasonable opinion.

“Objective reality” is easier to quantify in some areas than others.

Such as above - some “evidence” has been provided re Tory corruption. I think a fair bit of weight can be given to intuitive gut feel here - does it feel like they’re taking the piss out of us?

And I’d happily provide my opinion (they’re a shower of absolute charlatans) yet respect that of someone who might disagree and not be all that bothered about providing evidence.

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A perfectly reasonable opinion.

“Objective reality” is easier to quantify in some areas than others.

Such as above - some “evidence” has been provided re Tory corruption. I think a fair bit of weight can be given to intuitive gut feel here - does it feel like they’re taking the piss out of us?

And I’d happily provide my opinion (they’re a shower of absolute charlatans) yet respect that of someone who might disagree and not be all that bothered about providing evidence.

I think it really depends on the issue. I agree that the Tories are a shower of charlatans. As a political opinion I don't think that needs evidenced. Why? Because it's a summary of how you feel. But there's a lot of assertions on here that need a bit more than the feelz. It was posted recently about how England takes our water. That was simply untrue and I think that should be challenged. Predictably that was met with 'not yet'. There's been similar stuff on energy prices.

Ultimately it a sub forum of a football forum and people can post what they like. But I think it's legitimate to ask for evidence. While I think it weakens a point if people won't provide any, that's up to them.

Also, posting on here is a bit of fun - the day it isn't is when I stop.

[Ozyhibby]

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A perfectly reasonable opinion.

“Objective reality” is easier to quantify in some areas than others.

Such as above - some “evidence” has been provided re Tory corruption. I think a fair bit of weight can be given to intuitive gut feel here - does it feel like they’re taking the piss out of us?

And I’d happily provide my opinion (they’re a shower of absolute charlatans) yet respect that of someone who might disagree and not be all that bothered about providing evidence.

My original point was that nobody seems to care that the levels of corruption are rising and Archie is proving that with this.


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My original point was that nobody seems to care that the levels of corruption are rising and Archie is proving that with this.


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Which bit of the declining score being an issue and not being complacent about being above the western European average leads you to suggest I don't care?

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How can you take that from what I posted?

By the simple method of reading what you wrote.

[archie]

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By the simple method of reading what you wrote.

As said to Ozyhibby: ' Which bit of the declining score being an issue and not being complacent about being above the western European average leads you to suggest I don't care?'

Maybe reading what you want to see rather than what I said?

[neil7908]

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Totally agree the widespread corruption the compliance of the media and broadcasters suggest we aren't far off and certainly following a similar path.

The media is a good point as well actually.

Our tabloids have always been terrible but Fox News was still ahead in the awfulness stakes.

However, that Mail, Express and even the supposed intellectual broadsheets like that Telegraph and Times have got more and more right wing and unhinged in the last 10 or so years.

And we now have the likes of GB news and Talk TV.

[J-C]

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Evidence?

Michelle Moane pocketing millions for PPE that was useless
Dodgy PPE contracts
Illegal parties during covid
Lying to the House of Commons

That's 4 just of the top of my head.

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Michelle Moane pocketing millions for PPE that was useless
Dodgy PPE contracts
Illegal parties during covid
Lying to the House of Commons

That's 4 just of the top of my head.

1. Might be 2. Might be. 3. Evidence of the opposite - they got FPNs and Johnson is being held up for misleading Parliament. 4. Not evidence of corruption.