Generic Sevco / Rangers meltdown thread

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Originally Posted by Spike Mandela

OMG!!!!! Feel the venom..........

http://leggoland2.blogspot.de/

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Brilliant :thumbsup:

That put me in mind of Dallas - when a year's worth of episodes was wiped out after they turned out to be a Bobby Ewing dream.

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Originally Posted by Part/Time Supporter

A more accurate comparison would be if Hibs had developed those players and had decided NOT to sell them at or near top of their value. They could have decided to keep them for the duration of their contracts, gambled on achieving more success and generating more income on the pitch. If that had then failed to any great extent and the players left on Bosmans, then Hibs would have been completely stuffed.

Rangers, for they are the ones in difficulty now, always had the option of selling 4-5 players for (say) £20M, which would have gone a long way to clearing their debt or settling the big tax case. They chose instead to gamble everything on qualifying for the Champions League each year. They did it in some years but not enough to make the finances work, therefore the gamble failed. Why should they then get a free pass because they took the irresponsible decision and lost?

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The club I was drawing the analogy with was Kilmarnock, not Rangers. Without the 'golden generation' who brought us in 12 million in transfer fees, we could have found ourselves in deep trouble too. While our fans would no doubt have been as solidly anti-Newco as the Killie fans have been, I suspect RP and the Board would not have found it quite so easy to take the unequivocal stance that Hibs have taken.

IMHO posters condemning the 'cowardice' of the Killie Board are out of line, and those smugly suggesting that Killie should simply 'go into administration and find their level' are obviously forgetting (or ignoring) the fact that administration would result in a lot of small local businesses losing a lot of money. Why wish that on people who have nothing whatsoever to do with the problems that have led to this situation?

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Originally Posted by sadtom

One of the threads on that freakshow (they claim that the rest of scotland are bigots!!!!! Despite every single thread refering to taigs, tarriers, fenians, papes etc) masquerading as a fitba forum. Has shown a link to andy goram's facebook page, which is claiming that john brown is bringing a consortium of 'real' rongers men, some businessmen and ex players, to ride in on their (no doubt white) chargers to save the day.
I wonder why goram isn't part of this 'consortium'? Oh thats right. He spent all his tax free earnings on pies and bevvy. The fat, alchy, bigot c***!

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Maybe the other Andy Goram is involved!

The fat Hun who has a cheek to call himself a journalist has effectively said that the chairmen of other SPL clubs have already agreed to drop the Newco to Division 1 and not Division 3. This is effectively nothing but lies as the SFL clubs have to vote on it, this man makes me sick to my stomach with the amount of bile he spews on the Newco and Oldco Rangers saga. I wish I could see his face after Newco do not get the 75% of votes needed from the SFL clubs to go into the First Division, maybe we could do a whip round and get him some cyanide for when the inevitable happens.

The man has a cheek to belittle our fans and the fans of Dundee United, St Johnstone, Aberdeen, Inverness and Hearts and indeed all the other clubs by saying we haven't got the intelligence to see what is happening when he doesn't have the intelligence to properly wipe his fat crewe toll after a toilet visit.

Also when it comes to integrity he can not be in a position to judge anyone, his integrity as an impartial journalist is so non-existent that it is mythical.

JT could tell me it was raining outside and i would still open the curtains to check. A man who is best ignored.

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Originally Posted by jodjam

JT could tell me it was raining outside and i would still open the curtains to check. A man who is best ignored.

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I only read it to laugh at the guff he talks about, but all it has done is made me rage. I need my coffee, I'm cranky this morning.

I can feel your fury, which was quite amusing in parts :greengrin

Traynor, as we all know, is a stooge. He wouldnt know integrity if it sneaked in his cat flap and shat in his slippers. Avoid the daily record and read something less partial instead.

He couldn't even spell Hampden properly, fat fingers are a major issue clearly for this frothing whale.

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Originally Posted by Peevemor

Brilliant :thumbsup:

That put me in mind of Dallas - when a year's worth of episodes was wiped out after they turned out to be a Bobby Ewing dream.

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:agree:in fact the Huns would have won the treble last season had it not been for that cad Whyte, so maybe while the SPL Chairmen are meeting Regan & Doncaster can collect in the SPL Trophy, Scottish Cup and League Cup and rush them down to Ibrox. They'll all be assets of the Newco now :greengrin

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Originally Posted by Lungo--Drom

That Hun apologist blog site was ironically hosted in Germany I see, which has just made me wonder if Sevco 5088 could reform as a touring all-stars team? They could call themselves Saxe-Cobourg All-stars 11 or something like that and play a round of friendlies in England and Germany, reforging the old Anglo-German royalist connections which were brushed under the carpet in 1914 when the Saxe-Coburgs who ruled Britain renamed themselves the Windsors.

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He's a semi-retired journalist. Worked most recently for the Express and the People where I believe he had a weekly column. His services were dispensed with some time ago and I think he's trying to find a gig elsewhere, but that blog is possibly the worst 'come and get me' I've ever seen. Let's leave aside the bat**** theories:

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It is Craig Whyte and Craig Whyte alone who will be guilty of having withheld PAYE from HMRC belonging to employees of a company which he did not own.



Therefore, Rangers will have owed HMRC nothing and there would have been no need to place them in administration. And without that period of administration, Rangers would not now be in the process of being liquidated.



And as sure as night follows day, that means there would be no NewCo. It is so logical it would be laughable were others not be able to grasp its logic.

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(I'll gladly hold my hand up and say that he can feel free to laugh at me as I haven't got a Scoobie Doo what he's on about)

...but he was a well-known hun apologist when he had a regular gig. If that's your bag, then OK, but you see the standard of writing, punctuation, his inabililty to construct an argument, wild leaps of faith, typos, conjecture that would shame the most 'creative' tabloid journo, etc.

I used to read his blog all the time, as I thought it was funny, but now I just ignore it or give it a skim read when we get beauties like yesterday's contribution. Interestingly, if you x-ref his column with the thread about his daily ramblings which usually appears on swallowswallow, they used to be giving it: 'you go for it leggo! you're the only guy telling it like it is!' but now he's often the subject of vitriolic abuse, which is, evidently, most warranted.

It's kind of been a barometer for the (mis)fortunes of the hun. When they thought they had a chance of survival, they were behind this guy's WATP *****, but now they're ****ed it's much more: 'enough, pal, eh?'.

Wow, how can a so called journalist ignore one of the basic facts, it isn't up to the spl chairmen whether Sevco get into the 1st, the SFL teams will make that decision.

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Originally Posted by degenerated

Hun apologist kenny shiels tweeting that
"@RealKennyShiels: Reports coming to me through the grapevine that Rangers players will not be paid their wages on Thursday. Strange times with Charles Green"

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Hmmm, SPL wil be able to try out their new sanctions for non-payment of wages :thumbsup:

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Originally Posted by Westie1875

Wow, how can a so called journalist ignore one of the basic facts, it isn't up to the spl chairmen whether Sevco get into the 1st, the SFL teams will make that decision.

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Because he is a fat waste of space who exists purely to anger decent human beings with his statements of sheer lies that it makes Members of Parliament appear to be amateurs.

I think the press in general have been very poor throughout this whole mess, they have constantly bought into trying to scare fans about losing the sky deal and claiming the SPL can't survive without rangers etc.

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Originally Posted by Onion

Hmmm, SPL wil be able to try out their new sanctions for non-payment of wages :thumbsup:

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Hardly.
Rangers aren't in the SPL.

Only in this country could a journalist and a newspaper condemn people for making deciisions based on sporting integrity whilst championing the saving of cheats with the pursuit of money being their God.

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Originally Posted by Onion

Hmmm, SPL wil be able to try out their new sanctions for non-payment of wages :thumbsup:

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They would if they were in the SPL :greengrin

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Originally Posted by Cabbage East

He couldn't even spell Hampden properly, fat fingers are a major issue clearly for this frothing whale.

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:greengrin

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Originally Posted by grunt

Hardly.
Rangers aren't in the SPL.

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Ok, why let detail get in the way of a good story :wink:

Then material to Newco's application for place in the SFL. Think there will be an underlying assumption that any club looking to be admitted to a league have the capacity to pay their employees.

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Originally Posted by Spike Mandela

Only in this country could a journalist and a newspaper condemn people for making deciisions based on sporting integrity whilst championing the saving of cheats with the pursuit of money being their God.

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:agree: There's a serious lack of credibility every time they type/speak. I haven't bought the Record in years, and Sportsound could be getting binned also as Traynor, Young etc are just so out of touch and self-serving.

Someone posted a couple of pages back that we may have seen the last of Rangers/Sevco for a number of years. I concur with that - I'm not entirely sure we'll see a team in blue at Ibrox for maybe three years - perhaps ever again - if Green's intentions are as many believe them to be.

One of my mates posted on FB that they are heading to Ibrox for a drmonstration ahainst Green. :-)

This whole mess may have benefited the tabloid media in the short-term but in the long term they will be one of the hardest hit if a Rangers is not playing at a high level. A large proportion of the tabloid audience will be fans of Rangers and Celtic and the absence of one of them will directly hit sales.

That's my only reasoning for some of the things Traynor has come out with. He said the clubs vote would be influenced by the bank, clubs like hearts aberdeen dundee united all with debts ranging from moderate to huge have all said no. In the past I have found him quite funny in a laugh at the troll sense. Not so much recently...

Jim Traynor said Rangers would be playing in the SPL, that Dundee Utd were voting 'yes', and that an American was buying Rangers (not Miller).

What else has he got to write about. He is not a journalist anymore.....he is a pundit. Real jouralists would have gone back to their roots and really investigated this story, got in about David Murray and Whyte, really interrogated Gordon Smith, got into the mirky world of EBTs and the conflicted Campbell Ogilvie.

Sadly, Jim is no longer a journalist. He merely writes opinion nowadays. And more often than not he is wrong.

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Originally Posted by Jim44

Why did he tweet apologies?

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He tweets lots of stuff to bring the more inane of his twitter "conversations" with rabid Huns to an end. Addresses them as "darling" and that. Quite certain that in this case he said sorry just to end the topic. Do you honestly think he was initially trying to make fun of dead fans? His blogs have been completely consistent that Huns fans have been sold up the river by owners and directors (and especially so-called legend Greig) - corporate governance and the lack thereof has been the impulse, not taking the piss out of the unwashed hordes.

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Originally Posted by Mikeystewart

This whole mess may have benefited the tabloid media in the short-term but in the long term they will be one of the hardest hit if a Rangers is not playing at a high level. A large proportion of the tabloid audience will be fans of Rangers and Celtic and the absence of one of them will directly hit sales.

That's my only reasoning for some of the things Traynor has come out with. He said the clubs vote would be influenced by the bank, clubs like hearts aberdeen dundee united all with debts ranging from moderate to huge have all said no. In the past I have found him quite funny in a laugh at the troll sense. Not so much recently...

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There is nothing troll worthy about Traynor, he would not last a minute on a certain internet pictureboard :wink:

I agree about the directly hitting of sales, especially in a time where the future of the newspaper appears to be relatively bleak the death of the Huns will see a big section of their clientele gone with no interest in the scabby rag of the Daily Record. I know there are probably decent journalists working there, but if it does go I will not shed a tear. Perhaps it should be buried with Rangers and Traynors dignity, which died a long time ago and apparently was found next to a fossil of a Diplodocus.

Wouldnae even waste my time reading it and I wouldnae use the paper he writes for tae wipe *****e off ma shoes.

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Originally Posted by truehibernian

Jim Traynor said Rangers would be playing in the SPL, that Dundee Utd were voting 'yes', and that an American was buying Rangers (not Miller).

What else has he got to write about. He is not a journalist anymore.....he is a pundit. Real jouralists would have gone back to their roots and really investigated this story, got in about David Murray and Whyte, really interrogated Gordon Smith, got into the mirky world of EBTs and the conflicted Campbell Ogilvie.

Sadly, Jim is no longer a journalist. He merely writes opinion nowadays. And more often than not he is wrong.

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:agree: Exactly. He has spouted jackanory tales throughout this saga. Best just to ignore Captain Chunky.

"Hear no evil, see no evil, report no evil"

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Originally Posted by Lucius Apuleius

One of my mates posted on FB that they are heading to Ibrox for a drmonstration ahainst Green. :-)

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The last one at Ibrox got about 80 'people' I think.

It's over, and the penny has finally dropped.