Urban Myth apparently. I'm sure someone will be along shortly with the figures to back this up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Filled Rolls
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Urban Myth apparently. I'm sure someone will be along shortly with the figures to back this up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Filled Rolls
How much does it cost to run the undersoil heating? C'mon the frost :)
Aye, there must have been an enormous press pack and hundreds of TV vans parked in their stolen car park paying a tenner a head!Quote:
Originally Posted by Joy Zipper
Why would the "media" turn up in any great numbers to a meaningless friendly against Wolfsburg reserves?
Those who did turn up would have been hugely impressed by the mighty Wongadome and it will be spoken about round the world I am sure. Interesting that the "links" referred to are not actually defined.
Why would any decent foreign club align itself there?-the whiff of Romanov will be around the place for years and this is a club forever associated with employing paedophiles, stealing from charities, a shameful list of creditors, fans who rip off their own fans, fans who steal from their own charities.....
Or is it the attraction of them being sponsored by a money lending pariah that has been attacked for its methods by Church leaders? All great stuff if your club has a positive image and plays within the rules..............I could go on.
Romanov may have gone but we should be grateful Southern is still there doing his bit.
Don't see how, all they have to do is add up all the cash received on the night and there's the total. Its not as if they will be paying anything out to anyone, all suppliers and the cops, HMRC and the council will have unknowingly been donating their services free again.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jack
Do they have undersoil heating ?Quote:
Originally Posted by nribs
:agree: Plugged into a light socket though, so won't cost that much to run. 40w for the winter = £25.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fife-Hibee
For even bigger savings visit our website - bumpyoursuppliers.com.Quote:
Originally Posted by lapsedhibee
You have to stop thinking like a Hobo. :)
It is indeed.Quote:
Originally Posted by dangermouse
We had a couple of fantastic attendances of 14K+. The trophy presentation day, new year v Raith and a game v Falkirk that put us about 12 points clear by winning.
The average for the season was just over 8500 though.
What I don't understand is why a company or companies, which are due £15m in debt, would accept a CVA for £2.5m when the could quite easily almost double that by selling an asset they control, the ground. This is certainly not looking after their own creditors best interest in Lithland so why on earth would they accept it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Antwerphibs
As for hearts coming straight back up, they have already failed in the past to do that when they were in a far better financial state than they are now so there is nothing certain in life.
Not forgetting of course the ceremony beforehand where the Germans apologised for all that war business and presented a special medal for defeating tyranny. Angela Merkel expressed sincerest apologies for missing the occasion.Quote:
Originally Posted by Joy Zipper
Apparently they are likely to accept, however. What gets me is that all the creditors who are going to get zilch will probably still be supplying goods and services to the thieves as if nothing had happened. If they do, they deserve to get stung.Quote:
Originally Posted by MB62
When did this friendly happen? Asking cos I live next to the ground and can't recall anything of note happening recently??
Not true I'm afraid. We actually never had a league attendance lower than 8.6k & we only had 3 attendances under 9k. As you say we had 3 attendances of 14k+, 1 of nearly 13k & 2 others over 10k, giving an average of a smidgeon under 11k.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pretty Boy
I think the point most people make when referring to that season is there were probably more Hibs fans attending ER than in seasons when attendances were higher due to us playing Yams, OF, Dons etc. Despite those excellent numbers though there's no doubt Yams will suffer financially in the 2nd tier & I think promotion will be a real struggle. They've played 2 championship teams this season & drew with both over 120 mins, I don't see why that would change next season.
I agree with both comments 100%. If you see my post #31592 above you'll note the CVA will actually net less than £2m & possibly as low as £1.5m. Just imagine if the situation was reversed & a Lithuanian football team were shafting Scottish financial institutions. I'm sure there would be an outcry with our political Yams leading the charge!Quote:
Originally Posted by MB62
Never mind under soil heating, where are the tramps getting the money to pay Forth One to advertise games and ticket sales for upcoming games.Quote:
Originally Posted by nribs
F*** the h*****
PBQuote:
Originally Posted by Pretty Boy
Highest attendance was 14,801
Lowest attendance was 8649
Our average was 10,433
Down 1592 from the previous season.
Yup and we lost a couple of mill if I recall correctly. Lower TV revenue and cheaper tickets adding to the fall in gates.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aldo
Another myth knocked on the head.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aldo
We were asked to pay the same as we had done the previous season to allow the manager to buy players and help the club, so ticket prices were not reduced when we dropped down a division.Quote:
Originally Posted by Liberal Hibby
Remember getting beat by Stranraer 2-1 at ER. Think it was our first home game since going down, they scored a corker and i remember feeling an all time low as a hibby at that point.Thankfully it didn't get any worse and we cruised back up.
Until it is quoted again next time..........Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
The reduction in crowds from the relegation season can largely be explained by lack of away supporters. In the Premier Division there would have been around six matches with a (largely) full visitors end (Rangers, Celtic and Hearts) and two others against Aberdeen with good visiting number then. By comparison few First Division visitors brought more than a hundred or so.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aldo
The home supporters attending was probably much higher than Hibs are getting at the moment.
If they (bdo fc) can bump HMRC so easily then why does any Company pay tax ? Just run up huge debts to all concerned then get some half-wit MP to stick up for you and nothing happens. Just carry on lads. "We won the war, don't you know". I wish i could get legal aid as i would sue MP Murray for the 2m they screwed us taxpayers for.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jim44
Ayr utd boxing day 14k.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pretty Boy
Agreed, I made our home average league crowd as 10.9k meaning there were well over 10,000 Hibs fans at each game. We certainly can't say that now. The myth is not a myth but undoubtedly Yams will lose money in 2nd tier.Quote:
Originally Posted by jgl07
What is not a myth is Hibs lost well over a million £ in the 1st Div. Can Hertz cope with a reduction in revenue. Wouldn't think so.
I have saved the info. Should it raise it's head again I can have an instant comeback without requiring input from other .netters :greengrinQuote:
Originally Posted by PatHead
not entirely true, Frau Merkel has a deep mistrust of Romanov, and any of his past cronies, incase he has access to her mobile phone messages and designs on taking over Deutche Bank.Quote:
Originally Posted by jacomoseven
I'd imagine there'll be a lot of there squad out of contract in the summer and they're already down to the bare bones so they'd also have to build a whole new squad.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hot Shot Hamish
I will be a bit deflated if this Cva is accepted but I think relegation could be a big deal to them.
It's also worth noting it took dunfermline around 3 months to exit admin after a Cva was agreed and I'd have thought the hearts deal will be a lot more complicated so its not impossible they could be in admin at the end of the season, if that happens I think they'll start next season on -15 again. They're ****ed if they go down imo.
ok, I see your point, but what would happen if they are clear of Admin...still get relegated....play a few games....then go into Admin...again??Quote:
Originally Posted by bingo70
We party and open another 2000 page thread? Hearts supporters say it is what big teams do and arrange a friendly against Union Berlin because they like the name. 4000 turn up, Banderson claims it as a success.Quote:
Originally Posted by monktonharp
That's what I think will happen. Out of admin just before the end of the season when already relegated; followed by more financial mismanagement over the summer, resulting in lots of DDs cancelled and money drying up. Into admin again, reduced income, and a season heading towards the third tier.Quote:
Originally Posted by monktonharp
A slow, lingering death is far more enjoyable. It gives you something to laugh it from afar.
I suspect we can be sure that Hearts will not be signing players of the calibre of Mixu, Latapy, and Sauzée when in the Championship.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hot Shot Hamish
How many teams have come straight back up after relegation from the top flight in Scotland. I can only recall Dundee United (after a play-off) and Hibs doing so. And no team has had to face The Rangers at that level!
The big difference is that the teams that finish 2nd to 4th go into a play off. It gives them a better chance of at least sneaking up.Quote:
Originally Posted by jgl07
Have Dunfermline actually come out of admin yet?Quote:
Originally Posted by bingo70
I thought Big Tel did it with ICT ?Quote:
Originally Posted by jgl07
The differences of course being that Rangers will be in the League and also that the play offs will be in place where Championship positions 2,3 and 4 play off against 11 of the SPFL so IMO much easier to escape and my cynical head would be that the Authorities would like nothing more than both being back in SPFL asap.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hot Shot Hamish
Inverness under ButcherQuote:
Originally Posted by jgl07
:greengrinQuote:
Originally Posted by PatHead
I missed the 1st goal due to queues outside, was it Hartley that scored it?Quote:
Originally Posted by HibbyAndy
If I recall correctly though hibs had a large wage bill and some top playersQuote:
Originally Posted by Hot Shot Hamish
To get th out of that league something they would not
Have
Interesting to note the story on the Sky Sports site today had this bit removed an hour or so after it first appeared.
"Should a CVA not be agreed then Hearts will enter liquidation, bringing an end to 139 years of history."
Attachment 11348
Here's the original.
Sounds like a Celtic fan at Sky on the wind-up (of Huns).Quote:
Originally Posted by green glory
Also ignores the fact that Hearts have had their company wound-up once before (in 1905).
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Originally Posted by Aldo
I think the point at the time when it was said that "crowds were up" was that more Hibs fans attended ER that season we were down.
http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.co...ater-1-3193758
Is this the sweetener that gets UBIG's CVA vote. Let HMFC off the hook and the council pumps money into a more valuable UBIG property, namely the ex Royal Bank of Scotland prime location near West Register Street which the impaler wanted to turn into a Boutique Hotel.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotlan...iness-16490988
Perhaps it's just coincidence this comes out right before the CVA vote.
No way would those filthy Yams at the council let the famous go down the swannee. It stinks - not called Edinburgh ShTTy council for nothing.Quote:
Originally Posted by GreenLake
Dream team of the team with no shame and the council that brought you the trams? Why not? If they do it its not even as if they care about how it looks.Quote:
Originally Posted by GreenLake
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Originally Posted by Filled Rolls
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Originally Posted by dangermouse
Well, in preparation for the history re-writers...............
The attendances in the 1st Divsion were almost exactly the same as in 2011/12 & 2012/13. That's without visits from Hearts and Celtc, meaning we actually had a much higher home support in the 1st.
:na na:
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Originally Posted by Pretty Boy
The LOWEST attendance that season was 8,600.
The average was 10,433.
Link
My head hurts.Quote:
Originally Posted by keekaboo
I think you'll find it was just below 8,605.Quote:
Originally Posted by keekaboo
I don't see how. :dunno:Quote:
Originally Posted by GreenLake
Even if it belongs to UBIG (as I have a feeling it will be another UKIO secured loan) it will be getting offloaded at the highest price possible to pay the creditors and Lithuanian pensioners.
If anything, bringing it to light may actually damage the CVA proposal as if there is a job lot of properties in Edinburgh to be sold off then why not just add Tynecastle to the list?
will all be tripping over drunk posties outside the penny blackQuote:
Originally Posted by StevieC
Just seems strange that at this very moment in time, the PBS is being heavily talked down in value while another UBIG property interest is located in an area suddenly earmarked for development and backed by a £60,000 council study. The timing of this publication is convenient to say the least and perhaps a signal of proof to the Lith admins. The RBS building was bought for £20,000,000 and the PBS is worth half that even at true value so there may be more to gain from a deal bent towards the former. That £60,000 study of intent to redevelop the area with shops and bars is enough to increase property value of a potential hotel site immediately.Quote:
Originally Posted by StevieC
Perhaps I am overly suspicious that fud corruption is being perpetrated in the reeky corridors of power. :greengrin
I prefer to use the excellent Hibs stats on this site rather than Wikipedia & if you do that we see the average attendance was actually about 10,900 for league games. Regardless the point is Yams will suffer financially in 2nd tier even if crowds do hold up as well as ours did.Quote:
Originally Posted by keekaboo
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotlan...iness-16490988
Perhaps it's just coincidence this comes out right before the CVA vote.
It also states that the Mad Man will be selling the property!.. :confused:
"Hearts owner Vladimir Romanov is likely to make a loss as he sells off some property in Edinburgh city centre."
Dated 10 1 12. property prices have risen since thenQuote:
Originally Posted by LeithenHibby
I see the Div One attendances subject has arisen again :wink:
I think a lot of confusion is caused by the throwaway phrase 'we packed the stadium every week' kinda thing. We didn't of course but that view helps the myth that we did :greengrin
Sorry, that link was just an older reference to Vlad's UBIG and the RBS property from 2012 which stated the purchase price.Quote:
Originally Posted by LeithenHibby
I had a s/t in the FFL at that time and I always seem to remember the east terracing being full and bouncing when we were in the first div.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jonnyboy
:aok: hahaQuote:
Originally Posted by GreenLake
I do normally check the date.....
those days are gone mate, much to the chagrin of the CWU local comitee:greengrin the GPO no longer exists by the way, it's now flats for high flyers who don't have to worry about bedroom tax. the Royal Mail, as we new it a few weeks back, is now a privatised co. , ready to maximise income, sack anyone that steps oot o' line.......I could go on but wont as I am probably from a previous era now. while I'm at it though, I do have to laugh at the comments of the owners of the likes of the Guilford. probably a group of well healed mates who own several expertly positioned boozers in town. they have the cheek to complain about the street conditions underfoot etc. what part do they play in increasing lighting/surroundings of the places they take good profits from? shove an extra 30p on a pint, put a couple of doormen on at the weekends, aye they are doing a great service for Edinburgh right enough.:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by leggeto
The cost of a pint in a boozer is usually a reflection of the rent and rates payed by that pub. I imagine the the Guildford contribution to society through their rates is considerable.Quote:
Originally Posted by monktonharp
I cant imagine it just the way you do.sorry. try a pint at Mathers at the West end. hellava lot cheaper than even a pint in Porty!Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
I've always had the Guildford doon as a bar for ****y sorts.
Anyway back on topic. **** the hearts
According to this it's not done and dusted yet, maybe squeaky bum time at Tynie ?.
http://www.scotsman.com/sport/footba...ubig-1-3195030
The actual Hibs support held up remarkably well but the average home attendance fell because of the lower visiting support.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hermit Crab
Aye, but that was because we have a 'wee team' mentality. "Wee team, wee league".Quote:
Originally Posted by Hermit Crab
'Big teams' accept nothing less than Champions League glory every year, donthca know?
"Big team, wee league" - doesnae work, does it?
I think Jackson's a drama queen and wants Friday's vote to be a media event so he can stand on the steps and announce,Quote:
Originally Posted by greenpaper55
" peace in our time " or something.
He's probably got the Lith. proxies in his drawer already.
Why is there a seemingly broad acceptance that UKIO's administrators will vote yes ina CVA proposal:confused:
Is it not the case that they told BDO they could proceed to table a CVA proposal now that they have looked at and duly considered the proposal put to them by FoH:confused:
This could mean they intend to vote yes but couldnt it also mean they have considered the offer and have told BDO to follow the due process of putting a formal CVA offer on the table prior to them saying "sorry, not good enough":confused:
I'm in no way a financial wiz but I just dont see how UKIO'S vote is cut & dried, all I see is the adminstrator of that company following the due process of allowing the preferred bidder to formalise their offer to them before telling them their final decision.....
Maybe I'm totally worng here but just curious.....
I seem to recall another great footballing institution firmly believing they had their major creditor on side right up until the 1tth hour when said creditor turned round and said "Ken what? Bolt, either give us all our money or it's the liquidiser for you".........
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Originally Posted by HibbySpurs
I would like to see a ...." youve shafted us....so weve shafted you " outcome.
Jackson has already told the Liths. the £ 2.5 million is more than they would get for a land sale and they should accept it.
I think he's " gone native " as they used to say in less P. C. times. :greengrin ( Yams being the natives )
Then he's lying through his teeth.Quote:
Originally Posted by greenginger
Duff and Duffer got away with it, why wouldn't BDO? :dunno:Quote:
Originally Posted by Geo_1875
Because the cva proposal document states that ukio will accept it?Quote:
Originally Posted by HibbySpurs
Yep, he'll be pointing to the advert he put on the FT site and saying that there was no response.Quote:
Originally Posted by greenginger
In the article the yams are referred to as "the stricken Tynecastle club" but no journalist has put his name to the article. The hootsman will be giving him/her the boot for such insubordination!
If Ubig agree to accept £0 for the Hearts shares and do the same for all the other assets where do the administrators get their fees from?
If UBIG are getting nothing then maybe there is a chance they will stick two fingers up to the yams as why should a foreign offshoot of Vlads empire and one that cost them a fortune be the only ones to benefit from the shambles ?.
Does it? I didnt realise that, thanks.Quote:
Originally Posted by Antwerphibs
allverycomplex and more to come yet, on this ever winding road to freedom for the gorgie boys
I must have missed this one!Quote:
Originally Posted by Antwerphibs
Where did you see this? :wink:
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Originally Posted by Antwerphibs
It does? News to me & I suspect BDO. Also in reference to a prior post BDO went native on day 1. They have 2 priorities, their fees & their fees but if they can look good along the way, thereby earning more work & fees then that's a bonus.
It seems pretty clear that UBIG are getting nothing, full stop, in any conceivable scenario. Yes, they can vote against the CVA to punish Hearts for their cretinous behaviour, but is this really likely? The people sorting this mess out have no personal stake in this.Quote:
Originally Posted by greenpaper55
I also don't believe that BDO have no indication how the vote will go, unless they really are playing a high stakes game. It would seem dangerous to allow people to believe there's a good chance of the CVA going through without having anything to base that on.
The Herald report is decidedly downbeat about Hearts' prospects along the line "Heart's hopes not yet bankrupt".
It states that BDO have received no indication of how the Lithuanian administrators (presumably for UBIG) will vote.
The report signs off that a 'senior source close to the club' insisted that a rejection of the CVA would not mean immediate liquidation for HMFCplc but it would leave them in a bleak situation.
That all sounds like the odds are against Hearts to me?
Duff & Phelps did it with Sevco ............Quote:
Originally Posted by jacomoseven
http://www.heraldscotland.com/sport/...krupt.22741291Quote:
Originally Posted by jgl07
The Herald report also states in the first paragraph that if the CVA is approved that Hearts would exit administration on Friday.
Although approval of the CVA would mean that administration would probably end successfully, it wouldn't end on Friday. FOH would also need to have the shares transferred to them, the meeting for which is scheduled for next Friday. There would then be a cooling off period and, as in the case of Dunfermline, other problems can hold up the exit from administration.Quote:
Hearts administrators BDO hope to persuade the insolvency firm in control of UBIG to support the deal that would take Heart of Midlothian Football Club plc out of administration on Friday.
I think you can take a barrelload of salt with the article if they can't get something basic like that correct.
From the £2.5M paid to Ukio.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
does this mean that BDO get half a mil, and Ukio get 1.5mil with FOH paying Ukio the other half a mil in 10months time? I think that is what the CVA deal on the table is? or have I made this up , to look like the gorgie mob are getting away with murder, virtually?
As with the Rangers situation and all others (Celtic even went to the wire) brinkmanship.Quote:
Originally Posted by jacomoseven
So the £2.5m has to pay all 3 admins before the creditors get any?Quote:
Originally Posted by Part/Time Supporter
No, just BDO for the Hearts administration work. The balance then goes to Ukio. The Lithuanian administrators are paid from what can be raised from Ukio and UBIG. They're pursuing legal action against Romanov and there are other assets.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
Then surely the Lithuanian administrators have a legal responsibility to ensure that they recover as much as possible for each asset owned by Ukio and UBIG. That would mean ensuring that (for example) land in South Murrayfield is fairly valued and not given away to Save Hearts In Trouble for a token amount, so they should be getting a second opinion on the land value and not simply accepting BDO's flannel.Quote:
Originally Posted by Part/Time Supporter
For someone that hasnt taken much notice, what is the latest on this mob now? Thanks
Basically this Friday is D day for the poppy thieves.Quote:
Originally Posted by Liams
and in D I mean death.
If you want a laugh get over to sickbag and the admin thread it's like a chimpanzee tea party
It was valued in the summer by a chartered surveyor (not BDO). £2.5M seems low but they could take the view that it's better getting that money, most of it up front, rather than wait for a possible land sale that may run into various problems (eg planning consent).Quote:
Originally Posted by Eyrie
Think you may be dissapointed then. Chances are that the CVA will be approved IF this meeting goes ahead on Friday. All info coming out suggests that it will be, although there may still be a few hurdles left in the process. Would be delighted if I'm wrong but can't see it.Quote:
Originally Posted by einstein
And they get out of admin aswell?
My experience of chartered surveyors, albeit during house moves, leads me to believe that most are barely capable of measuring their cock never mind a football stadium.Quote:
Originally Posted by Part/Time Supporter
Is it not the case that all the information coming out is all yam friendly information from the likes of allisbarry and some anonymous MP?Quote:
Originally Posted by #FromTheCapital
Hardly surprising then that its all positive.
Hoping that the unworkable CVA is agreed on Friday, it means a lot more fun. I'm expecting it not to happen though. Which will still be fun.
Strong, strong rumours that Locke is in line for the S****horpe job. Surely if he goes it's a sign that things are going down the plug hole. Why else would he leave the love of his life?
Does that mean he's off to pishtures new.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jonnyboy