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Originally Posted by lord bunberry

I agree, we could probably sell around 5000 streams or more for this game, that’s £50000 coming in if it’s £10 each or double if we go with Livingston prices.

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Not sure it’s that simple as there would be a cost for us for the additional streams as well, it’s not just £50k in your pocket I wouldn’t imagine. Also, I don’t think we’d sell that number of streams either. With people watching games together, I wonder how many of the 10,500 season ticket holders will actually be logging in. Same would go for ‘walk up’ and away supporters.

That said, I think we could/should have been doing something but, IMO, they’re simply trying to keep the risk of anything going wrong as low as possible.

I wonder what level of permanency domestic PPV/season pass streaming options will have going forward.

There's lots of things to reconsider in a post-Covid world i.e. Working from home, public transport, face coverings and I'm intrigued by whether access to football online will be on there too. I'm not sure clubs would be investing in major improvements to their online services without looking beyond the 6 month mark.

I can see an NFL Pass type system starting to come into consideration in a far more serious way. I suppose it comes down to how it can be squared with the traditional broadcasting companies, but you can't just run from future.

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Originally Posted by davhibby

Sky won’t care about the games they don’t pick

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For pay per view I think that’ll be right.

For the season ticket access they had to limit because they do of course want people to watch on Sky for the games they are showing.

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Originally Posted by davhibby

Sky won’t care about the games they don’t pick

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Yes they will. The have exclusive rights to the competition. They won’t have given that away for nothing.
Personally I think SKY are making a mistake here. They are allowing the clubs to build up value able market research and streaming experience in putting out their own content. It may hurt them when it comes to negotiating the next deal.

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Originally Posted by Ozyhibby

Let’s just make sure the stream works for the season ticket holders before attempting to overload it.[emoji106]


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That has to be the reason this game is for season holders only .
Shan for the regular walk ups that can’t for whatever reason but a ST .

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Originally Posted by Ozyhibby

Yes they will. The have exclusive rights to the competition. They won’t have given that away for nothing.
Personally I think SKY are making a mistake here. They are allowing the clubs to build up value able market research and streaming experience in putting out their own content. It may hurt them when it comes to negotiating the next deal.

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Been thinking the same but you would also think the bigwigs at Sky would know what they are doing

Maybe Roger Mitchell wasn't so daft 👀

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Originally Posted by Andy74

For pay per view I think that’ll be right.

For the season ticket access they had to limit because they do of course want people to watch on Sky for the games they are showing.

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Ah yeah I agree with you on that

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Originally Posted by Vault Boy

I wonder what level of permanency domestic PPV/season pass streaming options will have going forward.

There's lots of things to reconsider in a post-Covid world i.e. Working from home, public transport, face coverings and I'm intrigued by whether access to football online will be on there too. I'm not sure clubs would be investing in major improvements to their online services without looking beyond the 6 month mark.

I can see an NFL Pass type system starting to come into consideration in a far more serious way. I suppose it comes down to how it can be squared with the traditional broadcasting companies, but you can't just run from future.

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Totally agree, was thinking the same.

I think a lot of everyday things will need to catch up to modern day technological standards following this, with football probably being one of them too.

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Originally Posted by 1875STEVE

I don't think Hibs have taken this far enough.

IMO there's a massive market there, to bring in much needed revenue and we seem to be not wanting to exploit it.

First game of the season, first in months, and only season ticket holders can see it??

Our average crowd was what? 16,500 last season, we have sold?? 10,500-11k?

We have just cut off 6k of our own support?? plus more who are dying to see the game?

Then there's away fans?? who've not seen their team in months?? who can't see it?

Surely you have away fans, who normally go, spend money on transport/food/drink etc, who's be willing to pay to sit and watch in their own house?

We defo protect the value of the ST, which someone said to me works out at £16 a game, if that's true then surely charge £18-£20 for PPV for one game, if it's not, then whatever it works out t, charge a couple of quid more.

Sell as many as possible, access to only that game, the buildup and aftermath??

Same going forward with all our home games, sell it PPV, to anyone willing to pay.

I think we are missing out on a money spinner here, seems a strange decision

I say all this as a season ticket holder btw.

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The logic is fine, but the price isn't. My season ticket (£440) works out at over £23 a game. For the reasons you have suggested, £25 for instance wouldn't seem like too much to ask, also protecting the season ticket, but others have said that would be unpalatable and suggest a price between £10-15. I think Hibs are cutting their losses here, freezing out PPV for one game to show that season tickets for a decent deal, then they will make it no more than £20 for the other games. Also less of a risk as if it crashes, having charged people money for just that game, the refund rates will be high

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Originally Posted by Tambo

Yep same here, would you ask for a refund if it didnt work?

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No but it would get two chances and I'd go back to the radio:-)

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Originally Posted by Juniper Greens

The logic is fine, but the price isn't. My season ticket (£440) works out at over £23 a game. For the reasons you have suggested, £25 for instance wouldn't seem like too much to ask, also protecting the season ticket, but others have said that would be unpalatable and suggest a price between £10-15. I think Hibs are cutting their losses here, freezing out PPV for one game to show that season tickets for a decent deal, then they will make it no more than £20 for the other games. Also less of a risk as if it crashes, having charged people money for just that game, the refund rates will be high

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Yeah i don`t know where the £16 came from earlier in the thread and personally as someone who would like to have seen us make more money from the PPV I think you have to protect those who have outlayed the money on season tickets,you can`t go charging less than the average price of season tickets,after all these people have helped contribute roughly £4m at a time the club really needed the money....Loyalty should be rewarded.

Would it be possible to show it as live with a 10-15 min delay even and then consider it being appropriate to charge at a lower rate? At least that way the Season Ticket holder gets the exclusive "Live Action",after all if you are watching it as live you would have any other media switched off so as not to spoil your viewing entertainment?

Just a thought

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Originally Posted by Ozyhibby

Yes they will. The have exclusive rights to the competition. They won’t have given that away for nothing.
Personally I think SKY are making a mistake here. They are allowing the clubs to build up value able market research and streaming experience in putting out their own content. It may hurt them when it comes to negotiating the next deal.

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I think that’s a really good point. I’m pretty sure that the Dutch league tv rights are owned by the clubs and they make sure that all teams are shown on tv and can be streamed to paying fans. Certainly used to anyway and I think that was the model SPL TV were looking at

Are we not just holding back due to worries that the company will struggle to stream it to many more than the ST numbers? They appear to be having many issues at Celtic and Motherwell etc. If ST holders get a bad experience there will be a lot more noise than PAYG customers.

Is PPV match streaming the new Loyalty Points?



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By not having PPV available fans will just use illegal streams so by the time Hibs start selling them fans will have already found a way for watching the games for free. Whilst no one will admit doing that on here it’s certainly going to happen.

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Originally Posted by underscore

Are we not just holding back due to worries that the company will struggle to stream it to many more than the ST numbers? They appear to be having many issues at Celtic and Motherwell etc. If ST holders get a bad experience there will be a lot more noise than PAYG customers.

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There should be no excuses from Hibs if Saturday doesn’t run smoothly.

Hope they are prepared as going to annoy a lot of fans if they can’t watch Hibs play on Saturday for first time in months.

Fans didn’t buy STs to watch games on tv, they bought them to watch games live in the stadium in their seat. Many on here claimed they did it to support the club and were not fussed how things panned out. Hibs are missing on revenue by not being prepared for Saturday. Around 6000 home fans and probably 3000 Kellie fans, even at a £10 a head that’s a lot of money. RGs background is TV so I’m sure how a club the size of Livingston are ready for this weekend but Hibs aren’t

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Originally Posted by lucky

By not having PPV available fans will just use illegal streams so by the time Hibs start selling them fans will have already found a way for watching the games for free. Whilst no one will admit doing that on here it’s certainly going to happen.

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Why wouldnt people admit to it?

I will use my ST to watch home games and watch away via IPTV.

My guess is this will be replicated (either via IPTV, illegal streams, youtube or multi use of ST access) across the country by fans of all clubs

I would be staggered if the take up of PPV was as high as you suggest in your later post.

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Originally Posted by lucky

Fans didn’t buy STs to watch games on tv, they bought them to watch games live in the stadium in their seat. Many on here claimed they did it to support the club and were not fussed how things panned out. Hibs are missing on revenue by not being prepared for Saturday. Around 6000 home fans and probably 3000 Kellie fans, even at a £10 a head that’s a lot of money. RGs background is TV so I’m sure how a club the size of Livingston are ready for this weekend but Hibs aren’t

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Theres absolutely no chance they would get 9000 fans who are "walk ups" for this.

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Originally Posted by lucky

Fans didn’t buy STs to watch games on tv, they bought them to watch games live in the stadium in their seat. Many on here claimed they did it to support the club and were not fussed how things panned out. Hibs are missing on revenue by not being prepared for Saturday. Around 6000 home fans and probably 3000 Kellie fans, even at a £10 a head that’s a lot of money. RGs background is TV so I’m sure how a club the size of Livingston are ready for this weekend but Hibs aren’t

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Not a chance we’d have anything close to 9,000 folk buying a stream for this. A lot of people will be watching with others And only need to purchase a single stream. Of the 10,500 season ticket holders it’ll be interesting to see how many folk log in. For example, I’ll be watching with two or three others who have an access but we’ll only need to use one. You’ll then have people who aren’t using their access sharing it with people who don’t have one. And chuck in IPTV as well.

I do agree with the general point that we should be in a position to offer it but I’m not sure it’s as lucrative as others think. I’m thinking that the main reason they aren’t offering it is to minimise the risk of anything going wrong but cost could be a consideration as well maybe.

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Originally Posted by lucky

Fans didn’t buy STs to watch games on tv, they bought them to watch games live in the stadium in their seat. Many on here claimed they did it to support the club and were not fussed how things panned out. Hibs are missing on revenue by not being prepared for Saturday. Around 6000 home fans and probably 3000 Kellie fans, even at a £10 a head that’s a lot of money. RGs background is TV so I’m sure how a club the size of Livingston are ready for this weekend but Hibs aren’t

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Be lucky if there’s 900 never mind 9000 logging in. People will get the game ‘free’ on illegal streams/IPTV, and regardless of the moral side of things, most would take this option.

I bought my ST as it’s what I do, wasn’t sure how many games I’ll get in the stadium, but also based on the fact I’d get to see all games online. If hibs undersold PPV for every game then I would’ve just left the ST and paid each week, and saved a fortune (considering I can’t make every Saturday anyway once football starts back up again).

I'm assuming they don't want to introduce PPV on Saturday as if the stream is cra*p then all the season ticket holders would be angry. Not having all games on PPV also makes the season ticket the best option to see all games.

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Originally Posted by hibbysam

Be lucky if there’s 900 never mind 9000 logging in. People will get the game ‘free’ on illegal streams/IPTV, and regardless of the moral side of things, most would take this option.

I bought my ST as it’s what I do, wasn’t sure how many games I’ll get in the stadium, but also based on the fact I’d get to see all games online. If hibs undersold PPV for every game then I would’ve just left the ST and paid each week, and saved a fortune (considering I can’t make every Saturday anyway once football starts back up again).

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No chance.

You'll probably clear a thousand on away fans alone. There will be thousands more Hibs fans out there that will happily pay 20/25 quid to sit and watch the game in their house, okay some may invite a group of pals round etc but there will be plenty who will sit and do it themselves in their house.

For me there should be absolutely no reason not to offer this to both home and away fans, it's money on the table regardless of how many people do choose to take up the PPV option.

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Originally Posted by Centre Hawf

No chance.

You'll probably clear a thousand on away fans alone. There will be thousands more Hibs fans out there that will happily pay 20/25 quid to sit and watch the game in their house, okay some may invite a group of pals round etc but there will be plenty who will sit and do it themselves in their house.

For me there should be absolutely no reason not to offer this to both home and away fans, it's money on the table regardless of how many people do choose to take up the PPV option.

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I really don’t think there will be thousands of folk out there who’d be buying streams for this. Not with streams available that you don’t need to buy. Not when a season ticket holder friend could give you an access they’re not using. Not when people will/would be grouping together.

Not saying we shouldn’t be doing it but no danger would we be sell thousands of streams IMO.

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Originally Posted by B.H.F.C

I really don’t think there will be thousands of folk out there who’s be buying streams for this. Not with streams available that you don’t need to buy. Not when a season ticket holder friend could give you an access they’re not using. Not when people will/would be grouping together.

Not saying we shouldn’t be doing it but no danger would we be sell thousands of streams IMO.

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I don't think it would be astronomical numbers that equate to filling out our stadium or match our average attendance but I'd like to think you will get a couple thousand extra on the back end of it when you combine the Hibs fans and the Away fans. As I said before it's money on the table in what is a dire time for football clubs and their fans, we should be looking to allow as many fans to watch the game while the club can make as much extra cash as possible during this situation.

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Originally Posted by Centre Hawf

No chance.

You'll probably clear a thousand on away fans alone. There will be thousands more Hibs fans out there that will happily pay 20/25 quid to sit and watch the game in their house, okay some may invite a group of pals round etc but there will be plenty who will sit and do it themselves in their house.

For me there should be absolutely no reason not to offer this to both home and away fans, it's money on the table regardless of how many people do choose to take up the PPV option.

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It’ll be far closer to 900 than 9000. Like I said, illegal streams/IPTV which are all ‘free’ will take the majority of potential viewers, coupled with more than one user in households, there’s absolutely no chance it would be a big hit, take off whatever Sky is taking and the cost of bandwidth with the company, I’m not sure it would be an earner. Livingston are taking absolute pelters for £20, our £25 would be getting hammered and no chance loads would be taking up that offer.

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Originally Posted by hibbysam

It’ll be far closer to 900 than 9000. Like I said, illegal streams/IPTV which are all ‘free’ will take the majority of potential viewers, coupled with more than one user in households, there’s absolutely no chance it would be a big hit, take off whatever Sky is taking and the cost of bandwidth with the company, I’m not sure it would be an earner. Livingston are taking absolute pelters for £20, our £25 would be getting hammered and no chance loads would be taking up that offer.

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I think you are underestimating the number of fans who wouldn’t know where to begin accessing streams and also not taking into account the number who would prefer Hibs to take a tenner from them. I’m a bit disappointed there is no no pay per view option, particularly in light of the Sky coverage of the next 2-3 fixtures. Hibs missing a turn methinks.

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Originally Posted by superfurryhibby

I think you are underestimating the number of fans who wouldn’t know where to begin accessing streams and also not taking into account the number who would prefer Hibs to take a tenner from them. I’m a bit disappointed there is no no pay per view option, particularly in light of the Sky coverage of the next 2-3 fixtures. Hibs missing a turn methinks.

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A tenner? There’s the reason right there that hibs aren’t doing it every game. Every game = £10 means about £120 (£190 less the sky games) when STH have forked our £400 for the same deal 😂 it would be £25 so that it was more than a ST cost per game. Hence why LD doesn’t want to do that so will select a few games and make it cheaper.

I’m a season ticket holders and honestly couldn’t care less what Jobs charged for PPV on the games.

I’d rather see the club offer it up, make some money, and not importantly give non-season ticket holders the means to see the game.

I don’t think we should be deliberately locking fans out of the game when they want to watch it.

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Originally Posted by matty_f

I’m a season ticket holders and honestly couldn’t care less what Jobs charged for PPV on the games.

I’d rather see the club offer it up, make some money, and not importantly give non-season ticket holders the means to see the game.

I don’t think we should be deliberately locking fans out of the game when they want to watch it.

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They should be offering it IMO, but at a price that doesn’t devalue the season ticket.

My feeling is that they are trying to keep the risk of it not working as low as possible. However, if it was as good a revenue opportunity as folk believe I’m sure they’d be doing it. I’m sure they’ll have done the costings around it and that’ll have played a part in the decision. IMO, there would be other benefits to keeping supporters engaged, even if there wasn’t massive profit in it.

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Originally Posted by green day

Who cares what they think?

Its obvious from what we are doing and Aberdeens statement that there are doubts about this service workign properly from the off.

Frankly, as a ST holder, I want it to work for me first, then non ST Hibs fans.

Away fans are a distant third in my list of who I give a ***** about, especially as loads of them will be on IPTV watching Hibs tv for £0.00 anyway.

I dont think that the PPV will make many clubs much cash (outside Rangers/Celtic and matches involving them).

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This is where I'm at, Killie only have about 80 fans anyway.

I do think they should have at least attempted a test of this though, perhaps in one of the friendlies, but would be difficult to generate the same numbers as a league game of course.

Still not received any further info regarding Log in details either for Hibs tv

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Originally Posted by matty_f

I’m a season ticket holders and honestly couldn’t care less what Jobs charged for PPV on the games.

I’d rather see the club offer it up, make some money, and not importantly give non-season ticket holders the means to see the game.

I don’t think we should be deliberately locking fans out of the game when they want to watch it.

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There is perhaps more chance of unintentional lock out in the first game with this all being untried and untested. So limiting the numbers to ST holders the first game is not unreasonable and has other benefits in showing commitment to them. I’d suspect that the last thing they want is for it to go pear shaped so if they could have done a dry run by now I’m sure they would have. They indicated they were going to so there will be reason other than bloody mindedness for it not to have happened.

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Originally Posted by matty_f

I’m a season ticket holders and honestly couldn’t care less what Jobs charged for PPV on the games.

I’d rather see the club offer it up, make some money, and not importantly give non-season ticket holders the means to see the game.

I don’t think we should be deliberately locking fans out of the game when they want to watch it.

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Lack of test event info, lack of details of How to Access? all adds up to lack of clear communication from Hibs - sorry not good enough. Season Ticket holders were to get access to videos from HTC through week - to date nothing, yet to tell us how to log on or activate our access to Hibs TV.
How can a club fail to engage with its fans after promising to do so. Any other business bar football would be losing customers if this was how they ran communications.
I would support PPV - if at a fair price that did not disadvantage Season Ticket holders. I would support it for this game for Hibs and Killie PPV.

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Originally Posted by Ellahappyhibee

Lack of test event info, lack of details of How to Access? all adds up to lack of clear communication from Hibs - sorry not good enough. Season Ticket holders were to get access to videos from HTC through week - to date nothing, yet to tell us how to log on or activate our access to Hibs TV.
How can a club fail to engage with its fans after promising to do so. Any other business bar football would be losing customers if this was how they ran communications.
I would support PPV - if at a fair price that did not disadvantage Season Ticket holders. I would support it for this game for Hibs and Killie PPV.

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Its a global pandemic. Its football. Relax.

It will simply be a case of logging onto your account as per existing instructions issued by Hibs. They will just confirm that.

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Originally Posted by Ellahappyhibee

Lack of test event info, lack of details of How to Access? all adds up to lack of clear communication from Hibs - sorry not good enough. Season Ticket holders were to get access to videos from HTC through week - to date nothing, yet to tell us how to log on or activate our access to Hibs TV.
How can a club fail to engage with its fans after promising to do so. Any other business bar football would be losing customers if this was how they ran communications.
I would support PPV - if at a fair price that did not disadvantage Season Ticket holders. I would support it for this game for Hibs and Killie PPV.

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Is the match on in 10 minutes or even tonight?

How long does it take for you to read an email?

Hibs have said that there will be no PPV before October.

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Originally Posted by Peevemor

Is the match on in 10 minutes or even tonight?

How long does it take for you to read an email?

Hibs have said that there will be no PPV before October.

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It the total package - Hibs raised expectations, they didn't need to, I just agree with earlier posts that its worrying that we have heard nothing about the test event or any other access that was to be 'through the week..leading up to game'.

My confidence is low after the problems with the ticket scanner machine last season

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Originally Posted by B.H.F.C

They should be offering it IMO, but at a price that doesn’t devalue the season ticket.

My feeling is that they are trying to keep the risk of it not working as low as possible. However, if it was as good a revenue opportunity as folk believe I’m sure they’d be doing it. I’m sure they’ll have done the costings around it and that’ll have played a part in the decision. IMO, there would be other benefits to keeping supporters engaged, even if there wasn’t massive profit in it.

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100% agree with the bit in bold.

I think as season ticket holders, we bought it in the knowledge that we wouldn't get the full use of it but I don't think anyone expected non-season ticket holders to have the opportunity to watch the closed doors games for around half the price of an adult season ticket holder.

Some people obviously don't appear to have a problem with that and that's their prerogative however I don't think it's right to be expecting people who have shelled out several hundred pounds when the club needed it most to be paying up to double the amount that those who aren't season ticket holders are paying.

I absolutely agree that there should be a PPV option but the cost of it shouldn't have a detrimental effect on the value of a season ticket.

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Originally Posted by Sir David Gray

100% agree with the bit in bold.

I think as season ticket holders, we bought it in the knowledge that we wouldn't get the full use of it but I don't think anyone expected non-season ticket holders to have the opportunity to watch the closed doors games for around half the price of an adult season ticket holder.

Some people obviously don't appear to have a problem with that and that's their prerogative however I don't think it's right to be expecting people who have shelled out several hundred pounds when the club needed it most to be paying up to double the amount that those who aren't season ticket holders are paying.

I absolutely agree that there should be a PPV option but the cost of it shouldn't have a detrimental effect on the value of a season ticket.

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Watching the games for free on Hibs tv for the majority is a bonus though, I don’t think many bought season tickets to watch the games on Hibs tv. Even if it is cheaper for the ppv guys to watch it you will still get use of your season ticket at some point mate and the clubs making money.

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Originally Posted by 90+2

Watching the games for free on Hibs tv for the majority is a bonus though, I don’t think many bought season tickets to watch the games on Hibs tv. Even if it is cheaper for the ppv guys to watch it you will still get use of your season ticket at some point mate and the clubs making money.

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I know Hibs are advertising it as being free but it's not really free since you had to pay several hundred pounds for a season ticket in the first place to gain access to it. It's being provided at no extra cost.

Of course a few months ago buying a season ticket didn't necessarily have as much value for money as it does now, since there was no prospect of watching games either in person or on TV (unless broadcast by Sky) but we're still getting to a situation where there's a real possibility that a large part of this season (perhaps even all of it) is going to be viewed from the sofa and if the PPV option is indeed £10-12 per game then keeping it simple in terms of the maths, if there's 10 games shown this way then non-season ticket holders will end up being around £100 better off than an adult season ticket holder, by the end of the season.

I just don't think that would be right.

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Originally Posted by B.H.F.C

They should be offering it IMO, but at a price that doesn’t devalue the season ticket.

My feeling is that they are trying to keep the risk of it not working as low as possible. However, if it was as good a revenue opportunity as folk believe I’m sure they’d be doing it. I’m sure they’ll have done the costings around it and that’ll have played a part in the decision. IMO, there would be other benefits to keeping supporters engaged, even if there wasn’t massive profit in it.

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They are offering it? After Saturday non-Sky games will be up for PPV i'm led to believe?

The platform is untested. Test it on Saturday with season ticket holders, monitor servers, bandwidth, downtime (hopefully none), uptime (hopefully 100%) see how Hibs' IT and their partners cope with things. Then after that they can scale things up and offer PPV should resources allow it. Celtic will have more money to throw at their TV channel online than the rest of the league put together and had massive issues with a daft friendly against Ross County - would be daft for Hibs to open this upto everyone at this stage.

As per others there is absolutely NO CHANCE Hibs would get 6000-9000 ppv customers from Killie and Hibs. That number is laughable. First game of the season people will be going round to each others gaffs, few tinnies, wee bet etc - make a day off it especially with FA cup on later. There is no chance Killie fans on a nice Saturday afternoon are all going to sit on their tod and each individually pay £23 to Hibs too - they'll club in and watch together.

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Originally Posted by greenlad

There's no such reciprocal agreement, other than for non-Uk and Ireland subscribers, unless I've missed it somewhere?

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No, you are correct. My apologies for my misunderstanding on this point.

Emails now out.


“Can I test this out in advance?”
We’ll be running sign-in testing sessions from 5pm to 8pm on Wednesday and Thursday so, if you can, it’s important that you give it a go so that we can identify and tackle any issues.


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Originally Posted by Antifa Hibs

They are offering it? After Saturday non-Sky games will be up for PPV i'm led to believe?

The platform is untested. Test it on Saturday with season ticket holders, monitor servers, bandwidth, downtime (hopefully none), uptime (hopefully 100%) see how Hibs' IT and their partners cope with things. Then after that they can scale things up and offer PPV should resources allow it. Celtic will have more money to throw at their TV channel online than the rest of the league put together and had massive issues with a daft friendly against Ross County - would be daft for Hibs to open this upto everyone at this stage.

As per others there is absolutely NO CHANCE Hibs would get 6000-9000 ppv customers from Killie and Hibs. That number is laughable. First game of the season people will be going round to each others gaffs, few tinnies, wee bet etc - make a day off it especially with FA cup on later. There is no chance Killie fans on a nice Saturday afternoon are all going to sit on their tod and each individually pay £23 to Hibs too - they'll club in and watch together.

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They are offering it. Just not for the game, IMO, that most would actually want it for.

I’m one of the others on this thread that has argued we wouldn’t be attracting thousands. So, for the more modest number we would have attracted, I think we could have had it in place.

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Originally Posted by B.H.F.C

They are offering it. Just not for the game, IMO, that most would actually want it for.

I’m one of the others on this thread that has argued we wouldn’t be attracting thousands. So, for the more modest number we would have attracted, I think we could have had it in place.

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I think if the shoe was on the other foot, and we were away to Killie, we'd be gutted if we couldn't see the game due to a choice made by Killie.

Knowing Hibs, there will be a reason behind the decision so I would give them the benefit of the doubt, it is harsh for those that could have been able to pay to watch it though.

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Originally Posted by Anthony Soprano

This is where I'm at, Killie only have about 80 fans anyway.

I do think they should have at least attempted a test of this though, perhaps in one of the friendlies, but would be difficult to generate the same numbers as a league game of course.

Still not received any further info regarding Log in details either for Hibs tv

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Kilmarnock actually have one of the larger travelling supports in the league.

This is in contrast to their home crowds which are pretty poor, but on the road they always take a good following.

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Originally Posted by Anthony Soprano

This is where I'm at, Killie only have about 80 fans anyway.

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***** they have. Welcome to the big team chat everyone.

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Originally Posted by Sir David Gray

I know Hibs are advertising it as being free but it's not really free since you had to pay several hundred pounds for a season ticket in the first place to gain access to it. It's being provided at no extra cost.

Of course a few months ago buying a season ticket didn't necessarily have as much value for money as it does now, since there was no prospect of watching games either in person or on TV (unless broadcast by Sky) but we're still getting to a situation where there's a real possibility that a large part of this season (perhaps even all of it) is going to be viewed from the sofa and if the PPV option is indeed £10-12 per game then keeping it simple in terms of the maths, if there's 10 games shown this way then non-season ticket holders will end up being around £100 better off than an adult season ticket holder, by the end of the season.

I just don't think that would be right.

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Most of what you say is true mate and I don’t necessarily argue with the points you make but I renewed without even thinking about getting the matches on HTV for free to be honest, the games are a bonus and I’m not bothered about the walk ups getting it for less than the value of a season ticket for that reason.

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Originally Posted by Carheenlea

Kilmarnock actually have one of the larger travelling supports in the league.

This is in contrast to their home crowds which are pretty poor, but on the road they always take a good following.

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I think on a Saturday afternoon you would also have fans of other clubs paying to watch the games of it was available too if they had the chance. There’s loads of lower leagues clubs like hearts that will be desperate to see some Saturday afternoon football.

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Originally Posted by 90+2

I think on a Saturday afternoon you would also have fans of other clubs paying to watch the games of it was available too if they had the chance. There’s loads of lower leagues clubs like hearts that will be desperate to see some Saturday afternoon football.

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:thumbsup: The Maroon Poond

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Originally Posted by green day

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😂😂😂😂 yassss.

Am I right in saying that if you have a Season Ticket and a Sky Sports subscription then you will only need to PPV Livingston away in the month of August?

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Originally Posted by H18 SFR

Am I right in saying that if you have a Season Ticket and a Sky Sports subscription then you will only need to PPV Livingston away in the month of August?

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Yes

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Originally Posted by matty_f

I’m a season ticket holders and honestly couldn’t care less what Jobs charged for PPV on the games.

I’d rather see the club offer it up, make some money, and not importantly give non-season ticket holders the means to see the game.

I don’t think we should be deliberately locking fans out of the game when they want to watch it.

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I agree, I bought my ST as I always do which secures my good seat in the East and at this time provides funds for Hibs. If they sell 40,0000 PPV at £15 - £20 a pop it wouldn’t bother me at all. Any extra money Hibs get is a bonus and if some Hibs fans through no fault of their own can’t afford a ST and get a good PPV deal then great. It’s a temporary situation and I’ll still have my seat at the end of it. Win Win GGTTH

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Originally Posted by 90+2

Most of what you say is true mate and I don’t necessarily argue with the points you make but I renewed without even thinking about getting the matches on HTV for free to be honest, the games are a bonus and I’m not bothered about the walk ups getting it for less than the value of a season ticket for that reason.

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Fair enough, you don't seem to be on your own in that regard.

I also renewed without thinking about getting the games online so from that perspective, it's a definite positive.

We'll just need to amicably disagree on the point about the cost of PPV.

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Originally Posted by H18 SFR

Am I right in saying that if you have a Season Ticket and a Sky Sports subscription then you will only need to PPV Livingston away in the month of August?

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That's correct.

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Originally Posted by 90+2

Most of what you say is true mate and I don’t necessarily argue with the points you make but I renewed without even thinking about getting the matches on HTV for free to be honest, the games are a bonus and I’m not bothered about the walk ups getting it for less than the value of a season ticket for that reason.

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Agreed, exactly where I am with this.

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Originally Posted by Sir David Gray

That's correct.

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That’s worked out ok which is good.

Killie have been in contact to pass on their supporters disappointment over our decision for Saturday. Don’t see us changing our stance now, can’t blame them for being unhappy.

https://twitter.com/cathyjamieson/st...101636096?s=21

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Originally Posted by Heisenberg

Killie have been in contact to pass on their supporters disappointment over our decision for Saturday. Don’t see us changing our stance now, can’t blame them for being unhappy.

https://twitter.com/cathyjamieson/st...101636096?s=21

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I can't really blame them to be honest, we would be the same if it was the other way about.

Why are we not letting Killie fans PPV.

How ridiculous is that

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Originally Posted by Robbo6-2

Why are we not letting Killie fans PPV.

How ridiculous is that

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Hibs have said they wont start PPV until October.

Why not let them make sure it works for us first, before getting outraged for other teams' supporters.

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Originally Posted by CallumLaidlaw

Emails now out.


“Can I test this out in advance?”
We’ll be running sign-in testing sessions from 5pm to 8pm on Wednesday and Thursday so, if you can, it’s important that you give it a go so that we can identify and tackle any issues.


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Well link not working tonight, so will try tomorrow

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Originally Posted by Baldy Foghorn

Well link not working tonight, so will try tomorrow

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Erm...

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Originally Posted by Baldy Foghorn

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Wednesday/ Thursday. Not TONITE
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Originally Posted by Baldy Foghorn

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Yeah, probably best to try tomorrow as that’s when the log-in test is due to take place.

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Originally Posted by Baldy Foghorn

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Well as this is neither Wednesday or Thursday that’s hardly surprising.Unless you’re making a little joke:greengrin:greengrin

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Originally Posted by Robbo6-2

Why are we not letting Killie fans PPV.

How ridiculous is that

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We’re not letting Hibs walk ups either. They said this yesterday
Feel sorry for everyone who won’t be able to watch, and Hibs are turning down additional revenue too, but obviously have their reasons

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Originally Posted by Baldy Foghorn

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:greengrin

As in link does not get recognised, I thought it would go to link and show Hibs TV, but not do anything. Guess that was a waste of entering link:cb

Did no-one else try to bookmark?

I wonder if everyone thought Hibs were telling fibs all summer when they said the only way to see all home games was to buy a season ticket?


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Originally Posted by Baldy Foghorn

As in link does not get recognised, I thought it would go to link and show Hibs TV, but not do anything. Guess that was a waste of entering link:cb

Did no-one else try to bookmark?

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E-mail's a bit messy but essentially the link won't work until tomorrow's trial.....
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Originally Posted by Billy Whizz

We’re not letting Hibs walk ups either. They said this yesterday
Feel sorry for everyone who won’t be able to watch, and Hibs are turning down additional revenue too, but obviously have their reasons

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Have they given a price for one off games yet, nearly every other club have said what they'll charge.

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Originally Posted by Malthibby

E-mail's a bit messy but essentially the link won't work until tomorrow's trial.....
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Thanks:aok:

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Originally Posted by Anthony Soprano

This is where I'm at, Killie only have about 80 fans anyway.

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It's not Kilmarnock's fault that half the town disappears up the M77 every Saturday looking for a sectarian fix.

I don't see why the club can't just come out and give a clear and concise explanation as to why the game on Saturday is not available for PPV for either walk up Hibees or away fans?

"To strike the right balance, we’ve taken the decision not to open Saturday’s game against Kilmarnock on a pay per view basis."

Nah, they could have easily kept the value of a ST by charging £20 for PPV so that doesn't wash. Come out and give a clear, concise explanation. I honestly don't get it, even more so now there are test events the next couple of nights :confused:

Can anyone from Hibs shed some light, and again, protecting the value of the ST isn't a valid excuse when you can easily charge a price which doesn't devalue it. And if they aren't confident of the stream going well, then bloody come out and say it.

I say this as a ST holder btw.

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Originally Posted by Dazzling Doidge

I don't see why the club can't just come out and give a clear and concise explanation as to why the game on Saturday is not available for PPV for either walk up Hibees or away fans?

"To strike the right balance, we’ve taken the decision not to open Saturday’s game against Kilmarnock on a pay per view basis."

Nah, they could have easily kept the value of a ST by charging £20 for PPV so that doesn't wash. Come out and give a clear, concise explanation. I honestly don't get it, even more so now there are test events the next couple of nights :confused:

Can anyone from Hibs shed some light, and again, protecting the value of the ST isn't a valid excuse when you can easily charge a price which doesn't devalue it. And if they aren't confident of the stream going well, then bloody come out and say it.

I say this as a ST holder btw.

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If it's because they're afraid of it crashing under additional weight of PPV's and want to test it under the current Season Ticket numbers then that's fair enough but they should communicate that because right now it just looks a bit shambolic in my opinion.

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Originally Posted by Centre Hawf

If it's because they're afraid of it crashing under additional weight of PPV's and want to test it under the current Season Ticket numbers then that's fair enough but they should communicate that because right now it just looks a bit shambolic in my opinion.

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Yup, agree. Baffling tbh :confused:

In an email I got earlier it said this about Saturday -

“ The club have confirmed it will have PPV available for matches but with a number of the forthcoming matches on Sky Sports it will be October before we are able to do so as we focus on getting things right for our season ticket holders this coming Saturday.”

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Originally Posted by Dazzling Doidge

I don't see why the club can't just come out and give a clear and concise explanation as to why the game on Saturday is not available for PPV for either walk up Hibees or away fans?

"To strike the right balance, we’ve taken the decision not to open Saturday’s game against Kilmarnock on a pay per view basis."

Nah, they could have easily kept the value of a ST by charging £20 for PPV so that doesn't wash. Come out and give a clear, concise explanation. I honestly don't get it, even more so now there are test events the next couple of nights :confused:

Can anyone from Hibs shed some light, and again, protecting the value of the ST isn't a valid excuse when you can easily charge a price which doesn't devalue it. And if they aren't confident of the stream going well, then bloody come out and say it.

I say this as a ST holder btw.

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What else could it be?

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Originally Posted by Dazzling Doidge

I don't see why the club can't just come out and give a clear and concise explanation as to why the game on Saturday is not available for PPV for either walk up Hibees or away fans?

"To strike the right balance, we’ve taken the decision not to open Saturday’s game against Kilmarnock on a pay per view basis."

Nah, they could have easily kept the value of a ST by charging £20 for PPV so that doesn't wash. Come out and give a clear, concise explanation. I honestly don't get it, even more so now there are test events the next couple of nights :confused:

Can anyone from Hibs shed some light, and again, protecting the value of the ST isn't a valid excuse when you can easily charge a price which doesn't devalue it. And if they aren't confident of the stream going well, then bloody come out and say it.

I say this as a ST holder btw.

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They've said who can watch it and who can't. They've also said that PPV will be available from October - details to be confirmed. Is that not enough for the time being?

Why do we have to know the detail behind every decision?

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Originally Posted by Heisenberg

In an email I got earlier it said this about Saturday -

“ The club have confirmed it will have PPV available for matches but with a number of the forthcoming matches on Sky Sports it will be October before we are able to do so as we focus on getting things right for our season ticket holders this coming Saturday.”

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Given the criticism that was rightfully directed at the club for the turnstile debacles last season I wonder if this is not just a simple case of limiting the numbers streaming to make sure it works. It sucks but if the stream struggled on Saturday after selling PPV tickets that would draw criticism


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Originally Posted by Peevemor

They've said who can watch it and who can't. They've also said that PPV will be available from October - details to be confirmed. Is that not enough for the time being?

Why do we have to know the detail behind every decision?

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I think folk understand what they’ve said. But they want to understand why they’re saying it. I don’t think that’s terribly unreasonable given we’ll be the only club potentially stopping folk from seeing a game this weekend.

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I think folk understand what they’ve said. But they want to understand why they’re saying it. I don’t think that’s terribly unreasonable given we’ll be the only club potentially stopping folk from seeing a game this weekend.

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And what if the reasons are unacceptable to some? If Hibs came out and said that they're not doing PPV until October because they want folk to buy STs there'd be meltdown.

Likewise if they said that it's simply because the systems aren't in place or that they don't know if it'll work they'd be criticised by those who expect everything to run perfectly first time.

There are currently 12 clubs in Scotland setting stuff up with 11 using the same provider. Maybe resources are stretched?

Some clubs already had PPV in place on their streaming service, maybe they're one step ahead?

It could be any number of reasons and I honestly don't see why it's important that we know everything.

I do believe however that if Hibs could have had it up and running to earn more dosh, they would have done it.

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Originally Posted by B.H.F.C

I think folk understand what they’ve said. But they want to understand why they’re saying it. I don’t think that’s terribly unreasonable given we’ll be the only club potentially stopping folk from seeing a game this weekend.

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I think it says what we need to know. They are focusing on getting it right for STs. There’s already a lot of questions despite FAQs being sent and you can imagine the queries that will be coming in. They are prioritising getting ST viewers up and running. Adding another process we haven’t done before would be a risk.

It is one game and it is absolutely fair enough.

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Originally Posted by B.H.F.C

I think folk understand what they’ve said. But they want to understand why they’re saying it. I don’t think that’s terribly unreasonable given we’ll be the only club potentially stopping folk from seeing a game this weekend.

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I’d say the technical response reason would be boring or beyond a lot of us. I worked on the business side of an organisation that depended on having sufficient capacity to allow customers to login multiple times per day. Whilst never being able to actually carry out the technical fixing of issues, I was involved enough to hear the tech experts explain to us business luddites why logins were failing.

As I say, in layman’s terms, it all boils down to how many multiple logins can be coped with at one time. If a server(s) is overloaded in that short period it can’t release the thread capacity to allow a new login to succeed. There are of course other aspects of the internet that can let an individual user down but by and large, server overload will be the biggest threat.

It happens on .Net very occasionally and we all have a moan. The same could happen on Saturday to HibsTV if there’s a rush of last minute PPV sign ups. The club don’t want to pi$$ off the STHs by overloading the system first time it’s used in anger. Can’t think it will be any more of a sinister explanation than that.

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Originally Posted by Dazzling Doidge

I don't see why the club can't just come out and give a clear and concise explanation as to why the game on Saturday is not available for PPV for either walk up Hibees or away fans?

"To strike the right balance, we’ve taken the decision not to open Saturday’s game against Kilmarnock on a pay per view basis."

Nah, they could have easily kept the value of a ST by charging £20 for PPV so that doesn't wash. Come out and give a clear, concise explanation. I honestly don't get it, even more so now there are test events the next couple of nights :confused:

Can anyone from Hibs shed some light, and again, protecting the value of the ST isn't a valid excuse when you can easily charge a price which doesn't devalue it. And if they aren't confident of the stream going well, then bloody come out and say it.

I say this as a ST holder btw.

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As a fellow season ticket holder, I also agree.

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Originally Posted by Peevemor

And what if the reasons are unacceptable to some? If Hibs came out and said that they're not doing PPV until October because they want folk to buy STs there'd be meltdown.

Likewise if they said that it's simply because the systems aren't in place or that they don't know if it'll work they'd be criticised by those who expect everything to run perfectly first time.

There are currently 12 clubs in Scotland setting stuff up with 11 using the same provider. Maybe resources are stretched?

Some clubs already had PPV in place on their streaming service, maybe they're one step ahead?

It could be any number of reasons and I honestly don't see why it's important that we know everything.

I do believe however that if Hibs could have had it up and running to earn more dosh, they would have done it.

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If they had given a proper explanation and folk didn’t agree with it there isn’t much you can do about that.

As for the rest, I’m sure everybody else faced the same challenges as us yet the option is there. Even as a season ticket holder, I think it’s disappointing that fans of every other team will have the opportunity to see their team, yet some of ours potentially won’t.

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If they had given a proper explanation and folk didn’t agree with it there isn’t much you can do about that.

As for the rest, I’m sure everybody else faced the same challenges as us yet the option is there. Even as a season ticket holder, I think it’s disappointing that fans of every other team will have the opportunity to see their team, yet some of ours potentially won’t.

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No club with the potential to have PPV this weekend has anywhere near 11k season ticket holders. With such a massive gap to the next potential game, the club are quite right to make sure this is done properly, looking after the lifeblood of the club in the meantime. The decision was only confirmed yesterday, 5 days before kick off, that PPV was allowed. Club are rightly taking a step back and making sure everything is done correctly.

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Originally Posted by hibbysam

No club with the potential to have PPV this weekend has anywhere near 11k season ticket holders. With such a massive gap to the next potential game, the club are quite right to make sure this is done properly, looking after the lifeblood of the club in the meantime. The decision was only confirmed yesterday, 5 days before kick off, that PPV was allowed. Club are rightly taking a step back and making sure everything is done correctly.

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Surely the numbers are relative though? Whether you’ve got 3k, 5k or 11k season tickets you arrange the capacity to deal with that?

From a selfish point of view I think it might make things run a bit smoother for me at the weekend. But I still think it’s disappointing the option isn’t there at all. Even if it was capped for instance, as essentially happens in the stadium.

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Originally Posted by hibbysam

No club with the potential to have PPV this weekend has anywhere near 11k season ticket holders. With such a massive gap to the next potential game, the club are quite right to make sure this is done properly, looking after the lifeblood of the club in the meantime. The decision was only confirmed yesterday, 5 days before kick off, that PPV was allowed. Club are rightly taking a step back and making sure everything is done correctly.

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Its not new technology club's with 10 times the viewers we have have done it for decades. As a season ticket holder I'll be grand as will most non season holders who will go to pals. But many that can't afford a season ticket this year of all year's and are dying to see us will miss out.

It's truly tin pot especially when you think of the owners field and not like we've not had month's to plan and test. Gutted for the killie fans too and we are rightly taking a hammering from all Scottish fans on twitter, not to mention the most important thing the lost out cash

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I think it says what we need to know. They are focusing on getting it right for STs. There’s already a lot of questions despite FAQs being sent and you can imagine the queries that will be coming in. They are prioritising getting ST viewers up and running. Adding another process we haven’t done before would be a risk.

It is one game and it is absolutely fair enough.

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I'm sure we'll be grateful for the approach if it all goes super smooth on Saturday.

I do have sympathy for Killie fans, though - I know if we were away to them and it was the only game that PPV wasn't available (and wasn't on Sky) we'd all be pretty miffed about it.

if only we had an owner who had a background in broadcasting.

Hibs are turning away £100k plus this weekend. Crazy.

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Originally Posted by Dazzling Doidge

I don't see why the club can't just come out and give a clear and concise explanation as to why the game on Saturday is not available for PPV for either walk up Hibees or away fans?

"To strike the right balance, we’ve taken the decision not to open Saturday’s game against Kilmarnock on a pay per view basis."

Nah, they could have easily kept the value of a ST by charging £20 for PPV so that doesn't wash. Come out and give a clear, concise explanation. I honestly don't get it, even more so now there are test events the next couple of nights :confused:

Can anyone from Hibs shed some light, and again, protecting the value of the ST isn't a valid excuse when you can easily charge a price which doesn't devalue it. And if they aren't confident of the stream going well, then bloody come out and say it.

I say this as a ST holder btw.

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Fair question. Let me provide an update in full this week on here.

I’ve been presenting feedback to the club about looking after Supporters (includes PPV and more) strongly over the last two months. I’m disappointed that some supporters will miss out on Saturday but I appreciate and understand where the club has got to in making sure everything is right technically on Saturday before taking time to ensure the best structure and service specific to PPV is rolled out at the next opportunity.

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Its not new technology club's with 10 times the viewers we have have done it for decades. As a season ticket holder I'll be grand as will most non season holders who will go to pals. But many that can't afford a season ticket this year of all year's and are dying to see us will miss out.

It's truly tin pot especially when you think of the owners field and not like we've not had month's to plan and test. Gutted for the killie fans too and we are rightly taking a hammering from all Scottish fans on twitter, not to mention the most important thing the lost out cash

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Have they? Do you have examples of clubs with over 100k viewers watching via this company?

We haven’t had months to test. We got told yesterday that it can be opened up to PPV. Now that decision may have been made late last week given the whispers that were out over the weekend, but the club would have prepared for 11k viewers first game. Talk about an overreaction 😂 disappointing? Absolutely. Tin pot? I think not. I’m sure you’ll be thankful if ours runs smoothly while another club who are offering PPV goes tits up.

Also, do you know how much cash we’ve missed out on? Do you know what it would cost for extra server bandwidth to accommodate potentially more viewers?

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if only we had an owner who had a background in broadcasting.

Hibs are turning away £100k plus this weekend. Crazy.

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No chance they’re turning away that type of money.

The inverse relationship between our entitled snowflakes and Scotland's R number is surely no coincidence.

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No chance they’re turning away that type of money.

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And that’s where the nonsense doesn’t help any arguments. I totally agree now disappointing it is for fans that can’t watch legally. However, the club in my opinion won’t be making much out of PPV, I genuinely don’t believe there will be that much of an uptake but that’s my own opinion. I back the club in the fact I think there’s good intentions behind it, make sure it’s working, make some adjustments and by the time the next opportunity comes along open it up to all. By which time hopefully some STH’s (if not all) are allowed back into the stadium, not sure if we will still be allowed to sell PPV at that time but if we are then it’ll be a much better experience with less trying to access.

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I'm sure we'll be grateful for the approach if it all goes super smooth on Saturday.

I do have sympathy for Killie fans, though - I know if we were away to them and it was the only game that PPV wasn't available (and wasn't on Sky) we'd all be pretty miffed about it.

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We’d all be doing the sensible thing and get a monthly subscription for Killie TV and a VPN.

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Have they? Do you have examples of clubs with over 100k viewers watching via this company?

We haven’t had months to test. We got told yesterday that it can be opened up to PPV. Now that decision may have been made late last week given the whispers that were out over the weekend, but the club would have prepared for 11k viewers first game. Talk about an overreaction [emoji23] disappointing? Absolutely. Tin pot? I think not. I’m sure you’ll be thankful if ours runs smoothly while another club who are offering PPV goes tits up.

Also, do you know how much cash we’ve missed out on? Do you know what it would cost for extra server bandwidth to accommodate potentially more viewers?

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Some people are desperate to have a go at the club.