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[hibbysam]

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Fans didn’t buy STs to watch games on tv, they bought them to watch games live in the stadium in their seat. Many on here claimed they did it to support the club and were not fussed how things panned out. Hibs are missing on revenue by not being prepared for Saturday. Around 6000 home fans and probably 3000 Kellie fans, even at a £10 a head that’s a lot of money. RGs background is TV so I’m sure how a club the size of Livingston are ready for this weekend but Hibs aren’t

Be lucky if there’s 900 never mind 9000 logging in. People will get the game ‘free’ on illegal streams/IPTV, and regardless of the moral side of things, most would take this option.

I bought my ST as it’s what I do, wasn’t sure how many games I’ll get in the stadium, but also based on the fact I’d get to see all games online. If hibs undersold PPV for every game then I would’ve just left the ST and paid each week, and saved a fortune (considering I can’t make every Saturday anyway once football starts back up again).

[Numptie]

I'm assuming they don't want to introduce PPV on Saturday as if the stream is cra*p then all the season ticket holders would be angry. Not having all games on PPV also makes the season ticket the best option to see all games.

[Centre Hawf]

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Be lucky if there’s 900 never mind 9000 logging in. People will get the game ‘free’ on illegal streams/IPTV, and regardless of the moral side of things, most would take this option.

I bought my ST as it’s what I do, wasn’t sure how many games I’ll get in the stadium, but also based on the fact I’d get to see all games online. If hibs undersold PPV for every game then I would’ve just left the ST and paid each week, and saved a fortune (considering I can’t make every Saturday anyway once football starts back up again).

No chance.

You'll probably clear a thousand on away fans alone. There will be thousands more Hibs fans out there that will happily pay 20/25 quid to sit and watch the game in their house, okay some may invite a group of pals round etc but there will be plenty who will sit and do it themselves in their house.

For me there should be absolutely no reason not to offer this to both home and away fans, it's money on the table regardless of how many people do choose to take up the PPV option.

[B.H.F.C]

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No chance.

You'll probably clear a thousand on away fans alone. There will be thousands more Hibs fans out there that will happily pay 20/25 quid to sit and watch the game in their house, okay some may invite a group of pals round etc but there will be plenty who will sit and do it themselves in their house.

For me there should be absolutely no reason not to offer this to both home and away fans, it's money on the table regardless of how many people do choose to take up the PPV option.

I really don’t think there will be thousands of folk out there who’d be buying streams for this. Not with streams available that you don’t need to buy. Not when a season ticket holder friend could give you an access they’re not using. Not when people will/would be grouping together.

Not saying we shouldn’t be doing it but no danger would we be sell thousands of streams IMO.

[Centre Hawf]

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I really don’t think there will be thousands of folk out there who’s be buying streams for this. Not with streams available that you don’t need to buy. Not when a season ticket holder friend could give you an access they’re not using. Not when people will/would be grouping together.

Not saying we shouldn’t be doing it but no danger would we be sell thousands of streams IMO.

I don't think it would be astronomical numbers that equate to filling out our stadium or match our average attendance but I'd like to think you will get a couple thousand extra on the back end of it when you combine the Hibs fans and the Away fans. As I said before it's money on the table in what is a dire time for football clubs and their fans, we should be looking to allow as many fans to watch the game while the club can make as much extra cash as possible during this situation.

[hibbysam]

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No chance.

You'll probably clear a thousand on away fans alone. There will be thousands more Hibs fans out there that will happily pay 20/25 quid to sit and watch the game in their house, okay some may invite a group of pals round etc but there will be plenty who will sit and do it themselves in their house.

For me there should be absolutely no reason not to offer this to both home and away fans, it's money on the table regardless of how many people do choose to take up the PPV option.

It’ll be far closer to 900 than 9000. Like I said, illegal streams/IPTV which are all ‘free’ will take the majority of potential viewers, coupled with more than one user in households, there’s absolutely no chance it would be a big hit, take off whatever Sky is taking and the cost of bandwidth with the company, I’m not sure it would be an earner. Livingston are taking absolute pelters for £20, our £25 would be getting hammered and no chance loads would be taking up that offer.

[superfurryhibby]

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It’ll be far closer to 900 than 9000. Like I said, illegal streams/IPTV which are all ‘free’ will take the majority of potential viewers, coupled with more than one user in households, there’s absolutely no chance it would be a big hit, take off whatever Sky is taking and the cost of bandwidth with the company, I’m not sure it would be an earner. Livingston are taking absolute pelters for £20, our £25 would be getting hammered and no chance loads would be taking up that offer.

I think you are underestimating the number of fans who wouldn’t know where to begin accessing streams and also not taking into account the number who would prefer Hibs to take a tenner from them. I’m a bit disappointed there is no no pay per view option, particularly in light of the Sky coverage of the next 2-3 fixtures. Hibs missing a turn methinks.

[hibbysam]

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I think you are underestimating the number of fans who wouldn’t know where to begin accessing streams and also not taking into account the number who would prefer Hibs to take a tenner from them. I’m a bit disappointed there is no no pay per view option, particularly in light of the Sky coverage of the next 2-3 fixtures. Hibs missing a turn methinks.

A tenner? There’s the reason right there that hibs aren’t doing it every game. Every game = £10 means about £120 (£190 less the sky games) when STH have forked our £400 for the same deal 😂 it would be £25 so that it was more than a ST cost per game. Hence why LD doesn’t want to do that so will select a few games and make it cheaper.

[matty_f]

I’m a season ticket holders and honestly couldn’t care less what Jobs charged for PPV on the games.

I’d rather see the club offer it up, make some money, and not importantly give non-season ticket holders the means to see the game.

I don’t think we should be deliberately locking fans out of the game when they want to watch it.

[B.H.F.C]

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I’m a season ticket holders and honestly couldn’t care less what Jobs charged for PPV on the games.

I’d rather see the club offer it up, make some money, and not importantly give non-season ticket holders the means to see the game.

I don’t think we should be deliberately locking fans out of the game when they want to watch it.

They should be offering it IMO, but at a price that doesn’t devalue the season ticket.

My feeling is that they are trying to keep the risk of it not working as low as possible. However, if it was as good a revenue opportunity as folk believe I’m sure they’d be doing it. I’m sure they’ll have done the costings around it and that’ll have played a part in the decision. IMO, there would be other benefits to keeping supporters engaged, even if there wasn’t massive profit in it.

[TheHibernator]

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Who cares what they think?

Its obvious from what we are doing and Aberdeens statement that there are doubts about this service workign properly from the off.

Frankly, as a ST holder, I want it to work for me first, then non ST Hibs fans.

Away fans are a distant third in my list of who I give a ***** about, especially as loads of them will be on IPTV watching Hibs tv for £0.00 anyway.

I dont think that the PPV will make many clubs much cash (outside Rangers/Celtic and matches involving them).

This is where I'm at, Killie only have about 80 fans anyway.

I do think they should have at least attempted a test of this though, perhaps in one of the friendlies, but would be difficult to generate the same numbers as a league game of course.

Still not received any further info regarding Log in details either for Hibs tv

[malcolm]

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I’m a season ticket holders and honestly couldn’t care less what Jobs charged for PPV on the games.

I’d rather see the club offer it up, make some money, and not importantly give non-season ticket holders the means to see the game.

I don’t think we should be deliberately locking fans out of the game when they want to watch it.

There is perhaps more chance of unintentional lock out in the first game with this all being untried and untested. So limiting the numbers to ST holders the first game is not unreasonable and has other benefits in showing commitment to them. I’d suspect that the last thing they want is for it to go pear shaped so if they could have done a dry run by now I’m sure they would have. They indicated they were going to so there will be reason other than bloody mindedness for it not to have happened.

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I’m a season ticket holders and honestly couldn’t care less what Jobs charged for PPV on the games.

I’d rather see the club offer it up, make some money, and not importantly give non-season ticket holders the means to see the game.

I don’t think we should be deliberately locking fans out of the game when they want to watch it.

[Ellahappyhibee]

Lack of test event info, lack of details of How to Access? all adds up to lack of clear communication from Hibs - sorry not good enough. Season Ticket holders were to get access to videos from HTC through week - to date nothing, yet to tell us how to log on or activate our access to Hibs TV.
How can a club fail to engage with its fans after promising to do so. Any other business bar football would be losing customers if this was how they ran communications.
I would support PPV - if at a fair price that did not disadvantage Season Ticket holders. I would support it for this game for Hibs and Killie PPV.

[The Spaceman]

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Lack of test event info, lack of details of How to Access? all adds up to lack of clear communication from Hibs - sorry not good enough. Season Ticket holders were to get access to videos from HTC through week - to date nothing, yet to tell us how to log on or activate our access to Hibs TV.
How can a club fail to engage with its fans after promising to do so. Any other business bar football would be losing customers if this was how they ran communications.
I would support PPV - if at a fair price that did not disadvantage Season Ticket holders. I would support it for this game for Hibs and Killie PPV.

Its a global pandemic. Its football. Relax.

It will simply be a case of logging onto your account as per existing instructions issued by Hibs. They will just confirm that.

[Peevemor]

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Lack of test event info, lack of details of How to Access? all adds up to lack of clear communication from Hibs - sorry not good enough. Season Ticket holders were to get access to videos from HTC through week - to date nothing, yet to tell us how to log on or activate our access to Hibs TV.
How can a club fail to engage with its fans after promising to do so. Any other business bar football would be losing customers if this was how they ran communications.
I would support PPV - if at a fair price that did not disadvantage Season Ticket holders. I would support it for this game for Hibs and Killie PPV.

Is the match on in 10 minutes or even tonight?

How long does it take for you to read an email?

Hibs have said that there will be no PPV before October.

[Ellahappyhibee]

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Is the match on in 10 minutes or even tonight?

How long does it take for you to read an email?

Hibs have said that there will be no PPV before October.

It the total package - Hibs raised expectations, they didn't need to, I just agree with earlier posts that its worrying that we have heard nothing about the test event or any other access that was to be 'through the week..leading up to game'.

My confidence is low after the problems with the ticket scanner machine last season

[Sir David Gray]

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They should be offering it IMO, but at a price that doesn’t devalue the season ticket.

My feeling is that they are trying to keep the risk of it not working as low as possible. However, if it was as good a revenue opportunity as folk believe I’m sure they’d be doing it. I’m sure they’ll have done the costings around it and that’ll have played a part in the decision. IMO, there would be other benefits to keeping supporters engaged, even if there wasn’t massive profit in it.

100% agree with the bit in bold.

I think as season ticket holders, we bought it in the knowledge that we wouldn't get the full use of it but I don't think anyone expected non-season ticket holders to have the opportunity to watch the closed doors games for around half the price of an adult season ticket holder.

Some people obviously don't appear to have a problem with that and that's their prerogative however I don't think it's right to be expecting people who have shelled out several hundred pounds when the club needed it most to be paying up to double the amount that those who aren't season ticket holders are paying.

I absolutely agree that there should be a PPV option but the cost of it shouldn't have a detrimental effect on the value of a season ticket.

[The 90+2]

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100% agree with the bit in bold.

I think as season ticket holders, we bought it in the knowledge that we wouldn't get the full use of it but I don't think anyone expected non-season ticket holders to have the opportunity to watch the closed doors games for around half the price of an adult season ticket holder.

Some people obviously don't appear to have a problem with that and that's their prerogative however I don't think it's right to be expecting people who have shelled out several hundred pounds when the club needed it most to be paying up to double the amount that those who aren't season ticket holders are paying.

I absolutely agree that there should be a PPV option but the cost of it shouldn't have a detrimental effect on the value of a season ticket.

Watching the games for free on Hibs tv for the majority is a bonus though, I don’t think many bought season tickets to watch the games on Hibs tv. Even if it is cheaper for the ppv guys to watch it you will still get use of your season ticket at some point mate and the clubs making money.

[Sir David Gray]

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Watching the games for free on Hibs tv for the majority is a bonus though, I don’t think many bought season tickets to watch the games on Hibs tv. Even if it is cheaper for the ppv guys to watch it you will still get use of your season ticket at some point mate and the clubs making money.

I know Hibs are advertising it as being free but it's not really free since you had to pay several hundred pounds for a season ticket in the first place to gain access to it. It's being provided at no extra cost.

Of course a few months ago buying a season ticket didn't necessarily have as much value for money as it does now, since there was no prospect of watching games either in person or on TV (unless broadcast by Sky) but we're still getting to a situation where there's a real possibility that a large part of this season (perhaps even all of it) is going to be viewed from the sofa and if the PPV option is indeed £10-12 per game then keeping it simple in terms of the maths, if there's 10 games shown this way then non-season ticket holders will end up being around £100 better off than an adult season ticket holder, by the end of the season.

I just don't think that would be right.

[Antifa Hibs]

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They should be offering it IMO, but at a price that doesn’t devalue the season ticket.

My feeling is that they are trying to keep the risk of it not working as low as possible. However, if it was as good a revenue opportunity as folk believe I’m sure they’d be doing it. I’m sure they’ll have done the costings around it and that’ll have played a part in the decision. IMO, there would be other benefits to keeping supporters engaged, even if there wasn’t massive profit in it.

They are offering it? After Saturday non-Sky games will be up for PPV i'm led to believe?

The platform is untested. Test it on Saturday with season ticket holders, monitor servers, bandwidth, downtime (hopefully none), uptime (hopefully 100%) see how Hibs' IT and their partners cope with things. Then after that they can scale things up and offer PPV should resources allow it. Celtic will have more money to throw at their TV channel online than the rest of the league put together and had massive issues with a daft friendly against Ross County - would be daft for Hibs to open this upto everyone at this stage.

As per others there is absolutely NO CHANCE Hibs would get 6000-9000 ppv customers from Killie and Hibs. That number is laughable. First game of the season people will be going round to each others gaffs, few tinnies, wee bet etc - make a day off it especially with FA cup on later. There is no chance Killie fans on a nice Saturday afternoon are all going to sit on their tod and each individually pay £23 to Hibs too - they'll club in and watch together.

[SingaporeHibs]

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There's no such reciprocal agreement, other than for non-Uk and Ireland subscribers, unless I've missed it somewhere?

No, you are correct. My apologies for my misunderstanding on this point.

[CallumLaidlaw]

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We’ll be running sign-in testing sessions from 5pm to 8pm on Wednesday and Thursday so, if you can, it’s important that you give it a go so that we can identify and tackle any issues.


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[B.H.F.C]

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They are offering it? After Saturday non-Sky games will be up for PPV i'm led to believe?

The platform is untested. Test it on Saturday with season ticket holders, monitor servers, bandwidth, downtime (hopefully none), uptime (hopefully 100%) see how Hibs' IT and their partners cope with things. Then after that they can scale things up and offer PPV should resources allow it. Celtic will have more money to throw at their TV channel online than the rest of the league put together and had massive issues with a daft friendly against Ross County - would be daft for Hibs to open this upto everyone at this stage.

As per others there is absolutely NO CHANCE Hibs would get 6000-9000 ppv customers from Killie and Hibs. That number is laughable. First game of the season people will be going round to each others gaffs, few tinnies, wee bet etc - make a day off it especially with FA cup on later. There is no chance Killie fans on a nice Saturday afternoon are all going to sit on their tod and each individually pay £23 to Hibs too - they'll club in and watch together.

They are offering it. Just not for the game, IMO, that most would actually want it for.

I’m one of the others on this thread that has argued we wouldn’t be attracting thousands. So, for the more modest number we would have attracted, I think we could have had it in place.

[matty_f]

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They are offering it. Just not for the game, IMO, that most would actually want it for.

I’m one of the others on this thread that has argued we wouldn’t be attracting thousands. So, for the more modest number we would have attracted, I think we could have had it in place.

I think if the shoe was on the other foot, and we were away to Killie, we'd be gutted if we couldn't see the game due to a choice made by Killie.

Knowing Hibs, there will be a reason behind the decision so I would give them the benefit of the doubt, it is harsh for those that could have been able to pay to watch it though.

[Carheenlea]

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This is where I'm at, Killie only have about 80 fans anyway.

I do think they should have at least attempted a test of this though, perhaps in one of the friendlies, but would be difficult to generate the same numbers as a league game of course.

Still not received any further info regarding Log in details either for Hibs tv

Kilmarnock actually have one of the larger travelling supports in the league.

This is in contrast to their home crowds which are pretty poor, but on the road they always take a good following.

[Iggy Pope]

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This is where I'm at, Killie only have about 80 fans anyway.

***** they have. Welcome to the big team chat everyone.

[The 90+2]

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I know Hibs are advertising it as being free but it's not really free since you had to pay several hundred pounds for a season ticket in the first place to gain access to it. It's being provided at no extra cost.

Of course a few months ago buying a season ticket didn't necessarily have as much value for money as it does now, since there was no prospect of watching games either in person or on TV (unless broadcast by Sky) but we're still getting to a situation where there's a real possibility that a large part of this season (perhaps even all of it) is going to be viewed from the sofa and if the PPV option is indeed £10-12 per game then keeping it simple in terms of the maths, if there's 10 games shown this way then non-season ticket holders will end up being around £100 better off than an adult season ticket holder, by the end of the season.

I just don't think that would be right.

Most of what you say is true mate and I don’t necessarily argue with the points you make but I renewed without even thinking about getting the matches on HTV for free to be honest, the games are a bonus and I’m not bothered about the walk ups getting it for less than the value of a season ticket for that reason.

[The 90+2]

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Kilmarnock actually have one of the larger travelling supports in the league.

This is in contrast to their home crowds which are pretty poor, but on the road they always take a good following.

I think on a Saturday afternoon you would also have fans of other clubs paying to watch the games of it was available too if they had the chance. There’s loads of lower leagues clubs like hearts that will be desperate to see some Saturday afternoon football.

[green day]

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I think on a Saturday afternoon you would also have fans of other clubs paying to watch the games of it was available too if they had the chance. There’s loads of lower leagues clubs like hearts that will be desperate to see some Saturday afternoon football.

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