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[Peevemor]

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I don't see why the club can't just come out and give a clear and concise explanation as to why the game on Saturday is not available for PPV for either walk up Hibees or away fans?

"To strike the right balance, we’ve taken the decision not to open Saturday’s game against Kilmarnock on a pay per view basis."

Nah, they could have easily kept the value of a ST by charging £20 for PPV so that doesn't wash. Come out and give a clear, concise explanation. I honestly don't get it, even more so now there are test events the next couple of nights

Can anyone from Hibs shed some light, and again, protecting the value of the ST isn't a valid excuse when you can easily charge a price which doesn't devalue it. And if they aren't confident of the stream going well, then bloody come out and say it.

I say this as a ST holder btw.

They've said who can watch it and who can't. They've also said that PPV will be available from October - details to be confirmed. Is that not enough for the time being?

Why do we have to know the detail behind every decision?

[Radium]

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In an email I got earlier it said this about Saturday -

“ The club have confirmed it will have PPV available for matches but with a number of the forthcoming matches on Sky Sports it will be October before we are able to do so as we focus on getting things right for our season ticket holders this coming Saturday.”

Given the criticism that was rightfully directed at the club for the turnstile debacles last season I wonder if this is not just a simple case of limiting the numbers streaming to make sure it works. It sucks but if the stream struggled on Saturday after selling PPV tickets that would draw criticism


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[B.H.F.C]

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They've said who can watch it and who can't. They've also said that PPV will be available from October - details to be confirmed. Is that not enough for the time being?

Why do we have to know the detail behind every decision?

I think folk understand what they’ve said. But they want to understand why they’re saying it. I don’t think that’s terribly unreasonable given we’ll be the only club potentially stopping folk from seeing a game this weekend.

[Peevemor]

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I think folk understand what they’ve said. But they want to understand why they’re saying it. I don’t think that’s terribly unreasonable given we’ll be the only club potentially stopping folk from seeing a game this weekend.

And what if the reasons are unacceptable to some? If Hibs came out and said that they're not doing PPV until October because they want folk to buy STs there'd be meltdown.

Likewise if they said that it's simply because the systems aren't in place or that they don't know if it'll work they'd be criticised by those who expect everything to run perfectly first time.

There are currently 12 clubs in Scotland setting stuff up with 11 using the same provider. Maybe resources are stretched?

Some clubs already had PPV in place on their streaming service, maybe they're one step ahead?

It could be any number of reasons and I honestly don't see why it's important that we know everything.

I do believe however that if Hibs could have had it up and running to earn more dosh, they would have done it.

[Andy74]

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I think folk understand what they’ve said. But they want to understand why they’re saying it. I don’t think that’s terribly unreasonable given we’ll be the only club potentially stopping folk from seeing a game this weekend.

I think it says what we need to know. They are focusing on getting it right for STs. There’s already a lot of questions despite FAQs being sent and you can imagine the queries that will be coming in. They are prioritising getting ST viewers up and running. Adding another process we haven’t done before would be a risk.

It is one game and it is absolutely fair enough.

[hibby6270]

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I think folk understand what they’ve said. But they want to understand why they’re saying it. I don’t think that’s terribly unreasonable given we’ll be the only club potentially stopping folk from seeing a game this weekend.

I’d say the technical response reason would be boring or beyond a lot of us. I worked on the business side of an organisation that depended on having sufficient capacity to allow customers to login multiple times per day. Whilst never being able to actually carry out the technical fixing of issues, I was involved enough to hear the tech experts explain to us business luddites why logins were failing.

As I say, in layman’s terms, it all boils down to how many multiple logins can be coped with at one time. If a server(s) is overloaded in that short period it can’t release the thread capacity to allow a new login to succeed. There are of course other aspects of the internet that can let an individual user down but by and large, server overload will be the biggest threat.

It happens on .Net very occasionally and we all have a moan. The same could happen on Saturday to HibsTV if there’s a rush of last minute PPV sign ups. The club don’t want to pi$$ off the STHs by overloading the system first time it’s used in anger. Can’t think it will be any more of a sinister explanation than that.

[Sir David Gray]

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I don't see why the club can't just come out and give a clear and concise explanation as to why the game on Saturday is not available for PPV for either walk up Hibees or away fans?

"To strike the right balance, we’ve taken the decision not to open Saturday’s game against Kilmarnock on a pay per view basis."

Nah, they could have easily kept the value of a ST by charging £20 for PPV so that doesn't wash. Come out and give a clear, concise explanation. I honestly don't get it, even more so now there are test events the next couple of nights

Can anyone from Hibs shed some light, and again, protecting the value of the ST isn't a valid excuse when you can easily charge a price which doesn't devalue it. And if they aren't confident of the stream going well, then bloody come out and say it.

I say this as a ST holder btw.

As a fellow season ticket holder, I also agree.

[B.H.F.C]

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And what if the reasons are unacceptable to some? If Hibs came out and said that they're not doing PPV until October because they want folk to buy STs there'd be meltdown.

Likewise if they said that it's simply because the systems aren't in place or that they don't know if it'll work they'd be criticised by those who expect everything to run perfectly first time.

There are currently 12 clubs in Scotland setting stuff up with 11 using the same provider. Maybe resources are stretched?

Some clubs already had PPV in place on their streaming service, maybe they're one step ahead?

It could be any number of reasons and I honestly don't see why it's important that we know everything.

I do believe however that if Hibs could have had it up and running to earn more dosh, they would have done it.

If they had given a proper explanation and folk didn’t agree with it there isn’t much you can do about that.

As for the rest, I’m sure everybody else faced the same challenges as us yet the option is there. Even as a season ticket holder, I think it’s disappointing that fans of every other team will have the opportunity to see their team, yet some of ours potentially won’t.

[hibbysam]

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If they had given a proper explanation and folk didn’t agree with it there isn’t much you can do about that.

As for the rest, I’m sure everybody else faced the same challenges as us yet the option is there. Even as a season ticket holder, I think it’s disappointing that fans of every other team will have the opportunity to see their team, yet some of ours potentially won’t.

No club with the potential to have PPV this weekend has anywhere near 11k season ticket holders. With such a massive gap to the next potential game, the club are quite right to make sure this is done properly, looking after the lifeblood of the club in the meantime. The decision was only confirmed yesterday, 5 days before kick off, that PPV was allowed. Club are rightly taking a step back and making sure everything is done correctly.

[B.H.F.C]

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No club with the potential to have PPV this weekend has anywhere near 11k season ticket holders. With such a massive gap to the next potential game, the club are quite right to make sure this is done properly, looking after the lifeblood of the club in the meantime. The decision was only confirmed yesterday, 5 days before kick off, that PPV was allowed. Club are rightly taking a step back and making sure everything is done correctly.

Surely the numbers are relative though? Whether you’ve got 3k, 5k or 11k season tickets you arrange the capacity to deal with that?

From a selfish point of view I think it might make things run a bit smoother for me at the weekend. But I still think it’s disappointing the option isn’t there at all. Even if it was capped for instance, as essentially happens in the stadium.

[Stairway 2 7]

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No club with the potential to have PPV this weekend has anywhere near 11k season ticket holders. With such a massive gap to the next potential game, the club are quite right to make sure this is done properly, looking after the lifeblood of the club in the meantime. The decision was only confirmed yesterday, 5 days before kick off, that PPV was allowed. Club are rightly taking a step back and making sure everything is done correctly.

Its not new technology club's with 10 times the viewers we have have done it for decades. As a season ticket holder I'll be grand as will most non season holders who will go to pals. But many that can't afford a season ticket this year of all year's and are dying to see us will miss out.

It's truly tin pot especially when you think of the owners field and not like we've not had month's to plan and test. Gutted for the killie fans too and we are rightly taking a hammering from all Scottish fans on twitter, not to mention the most important thing the lost out cash

[matty_f]

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I think it says what we need to know. They are focusing on getting it right for STs. There’s already a lot of questions despite FAQs being sent and you can imagine the queries that will be coming in. They are prioritising getting ST viewers up and running. Adding another process we haven’t done before would be a risk.

It is one game and it is absolutely fair enough.

I'm sure we'll be grateful for the approach if it all goes super smooth on Saturday.

I do have sympathy for Killie fans, though - I know if we were away to them and it was the only game that PPV wasn't available (and wasn't on Sky) we'd all be pretty miffed about it.

[itslegaltender]

if only we had an owner who had a background in broadcasting.

Hibs are turning away £100k plus this weekend. Crazy.

[Power]

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I don't see why the club can't just come out and give a clear and concise explanation as to why the game on Saturday is not available for PPV for either walk up Hibees or away fans?

"To strike the right balance, we’ve taken the decision not to open Saturday’s game against Kilmarnock on a pay per view basis."

Nah, they could have easily kept the value of a ST by charging £20 for PPV so that doesn't wash. Come out and give a clear, concise explanation. I honestly don't get it, even more so now there are test events the next couple of nights

Can anyone from Hibs shed some light, and again, protecting the value of the ST isn't a valid excuse when you can easily charge a price which doesn't devalue it. And if they aren't confident of the stream going well, then bloody come out and say it.

I say this as a ST holder btw.

Fair question. Let me provide an update in full this week on here.

I’ve been presenting feedback to the club about looking after Supporters (includes PPV and more) strongly over the last two months. I’m disappointed that some supporters will miss out on Saturday but I appreciate and understand where the club has got to in making sure everything is right technically on Saturday before taking time to ensure the best structure and service specific to PPV is rolled out at the next opportunity.

[hibbysam]

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Its not new technology club's with 10 times the viewers we have have done it for decades. As a season ticket holder I'll be grand as will most non season holders who will go to pals. But many that can't afford a season ticket this year of all year's and are dying to see us will miss out.

It's truly tin pot especially when you think of the owners field and not like we've not had month's to plan and test. Gutted for the killie fans too and we are rightly taking a hammering from all Scottish fans on twitter, not to mention the most important thing the lost out cash

Have they? Do you have examples of clubs with over 100k viewers watching via this company?

We haven’t had months to test. We got told yesterday that it can be opened up to PPV. Now that decision may have been made late last week given the whispers that were out over the weekend, but the club would have prepared for 11k viewers first game. Talk about an overreaction 😂 disappointing? Absolutely. Tin pot? I think not. I’m sure you’ll be thankful if ours runs smoothly while another club who are offering PPV goes tits up.

Also, do you know how much cash we’ve missed out on? Do you know what it would cost for extra server bandwidth to accommodate potentially more viewers?

[B.H.F.C]

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if only we had an owner who had a background in broadcasting.

Hibs are turning away £100k plus this weekend. Crazy.

No chance they’re turning away that type of money.

[green day]

The inverse relationship between our entitled snowflakes and Scotland's R number is surely no coincidence.

[hibbysam]

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No chance they’re turning away that type of money.

And that’s where the nonsense doesn’t help any arguments. I totally agree now disappointing it is for fans that can’t watch legally. However, the club in my opinion won’t be making much out of PPV, I genuinely don’t believe there will be that much of an uptake but that’s my own opinion. I back the club in the fact I think there’s good intentions behind it, make sure it’s working, make some adjustments and by the time the next opportunity comes along open it up to all. By which time hopefully some STH’s (if not all) are allowed back into the stadium, not sure if we will still be allowed to sell PPV at that time but if we are then it’ll be a much better experience with less trying to access.

[Andy74]

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I'm sure we'll be grateful for the approach if it all goes super smooth on Saturday.

I do have sympathy for Killie fans, though - I know if we were away to them and it was the only game that PPV wasn't available (and wasn't on Sky) we'd all be pretty miffed about it.

We’d all be doing the sensible thing and get a monthly subscription for Killie TV and a VPN.

[Peevemor]

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Have they? Do you have examples of clubs with over 100k viewers watching via this company?

We haven’t had months to test. We got told yesterday that it can be opened up to PPV. Now that decision may have been made late last week given the whispers that were out over the weekend, but the club would have prepared for 11k viewers first game. Talk about an overreaction disappointing? Absolutely. Tin pot? I think not. I’m sure you’ll be thankful if ours runs smoothly while another club who are offering PPV goes tits up.

Also, do you know how much cash we’ve missed out on? Do you know what it would cost for extra server bandwidth to accommodate potentially more viewers?

Some people are desperate to have a go at the club.

[B.H.F.C]

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Some people are desperate to have a go at the club.

And the same posters constantly pop up on threads with posts such as this as soon as anybody expresses what they perceive to be a negative opinion.

It is possible to praise when you think it’s due and be critical when you think it’s due. Don’t think that makes people desperate to criticise.

[hibbysam]

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And the same posters constantly pop up on threads with posts such as this as soon as anybody expresses what they perceive to be a negative opinion.

It is possible to praise when you think it’s due and be critical when you think it’s due.

There’s also a middle ground though. I’m far from a ‘happy clapper’ but calling us tinpot and embarrassing is way over the top.

Nobody knows the ins and outs and if our stream is successful this weekend while others fail then it’ll be a great decision. If everyone’s works then it’ll have been disappointing for our own walk ups firstly, and Kilmarnock fans secondly.

I’m not going to be overly critical at the club for erring on the side of caution when it comes to looking after those who have stumped up £400 blindly though.

[erin go bragh]

Hibs could have had a couple of dummy runs with our St Mirren and Hamilton bounce games . Then we would be better prepared for this Saturdays opener.
Maybe then ,they would have been able to offer something to walk ups and away fans .

[B.H.F.C]

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There’s also a middle ground though. I’m far from a ‘happy clapper’ but calling us tinpot and embarrassing is way over the top.

Nobody knows the ins and outs and if our stream is successful this weekend while others fail then it’ll be a great decision. If everyone’s works then it’ll have been disappointing for our own walk ups firstly, and Kilmarnock fans secondly.

I’m not going to be overly critical at the club for erring on the side of caution when it comes to looking after those who have stumped up £400 blindly though.

Agree there is a middle ground and I think the majority find that. It works both ways as well. Some people can be overly negative whilst other fail to see anything wrong in what we do and routinely call out negativity, people moaning etc.

[Andy74]

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Hibs could have had a couple of dummy runs with our St Mirren and Hamilton bounce games . Then we would be better prepared for this Saturdays opener.
Maybe then ,they would have been able to offer something to walk ups and away fans .

If only they’d thought of that..

[B.H.F.C]

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Hibs could have had a couple of dummy runs with our St Mirren and Hamilton bounce games . Then we would be better prepared for this Saturdays opener.
Maybe then ,they would have been able to offer something to walk ups and away fans .

St Mirren was down at East Mains so think that would have been out of the question. But the Hamilton game at Easter Road would have made sense.

[CentreLine]

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Some people are desperate to have a go at the club.

With the amount of unjustified criticism and faux outrage I can’t help but feel there are rather a lot of guests this evening. Guests who have taken a bit of a beating at arbitration and are now looking to stir a different pot. Just a personal view 🤔

[Peevemor]

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With the amount of unjustified criticism and faux outrage I can’t help but feel there are rather a lot of guests this evening. Guests who have taken a bit of a beating at arbitration and are now looking to stir a different pot. Just a personal view

I was wondering the same thing.

[Carheenlea]

I think it would be a nice gesture from the club if we were to offer Hearts ST holders complimentary access to the live streaming of Hibs home games to fill the void and let them enjoy some football from the top flight to tide them over until the lower leagues get their campaigns underway in October.

It could go a long way to healing some of the wounds of the past few months and you never know, they might offer a reciprocal deal and allow us access to view streaming of the Tunnocks Caramel Wafer Cup.

[The Baldmans Comb]

Not doing PPV on Saturday is absoutely nothing to do with protecting season tickets holders or trying to sell a few more that's for sure as you aren't going to persuade anyone to renew on the basis of one game.

10,500 might stretch to 10,600 if you are lucky.

Hibs just arent geared up for to 4,000 walk up fans streaming in and a couple of thousand Killie fans given they only just got the passwords out the door tonight for season ticket holders which was just about the last possible day they could have got away with it.

No big deal other than losing out on easy peasy money of lets just say £50,000 at the lower estimate of 2,500 fans at £20 a pop but you have to be proactive and right on top of your game to get all the ducks in place but history tells you that's not Hibs strong point when it comes to anything to do with technology.