Confirmed what many thought anyway that they are a bunch of spineless hyprocrits, only interested in continuing to make millions from the little bigot market they've created with RFC over the years.Quote:
Originally Posted by R'Albin
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Confirmed what many thought anyway that they are a bunch of spineless hyprocrits, only interested in continuing to make millions from the little bigot market they've created with RFC over the years.Quote:
Originally Posted by R'Albin
I've thought that from the very start of this scam, this is why Celtic are saying nothing. They would gladly move elsewhere and dump their O.F. partner as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by jgl07
Time for all true football supporters to email their MPs, let's get our voices heard at Westminster.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotlan...itics-18706453
Not surprising in the least. Wonder if their own fans will boycot them?Quote:
Originally Posted by R'Albin
Two cheeks of the same arse.
I haven't seen him make that comment. :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by R'Albin
Not if the decision is based on the SPL's bribes and threats which were a disgrace. If newco huns are in SFL 1 and teams are receiving money from the SPL because of that then it's still a pile of *****. There's naebody in the SPl comes out of this smelling of anything other than ***** as far as I'm concerned. Doing the right thing because you're forced in tae it and threatening or blackmailing others at the same time isnae the same as doing the right thing because you should. If they're no in the 3rd division at best then todays decision will make nae difference tae me.Quote:
Originally Posted by HailHail1875
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Originally Posted by Dashing Bob S
Other poster have mentioned something similar to this but there is a problem here (not for me there's not).
Newco need three years of audited accounts before they can apply, which they have obviously not got.
With either Dundee or Dunfy moving back to the SPL, this leaves the SFL a club short.
Does this mean the SFL play a club short until newco get 3 years of audited accounts then invite them to apply, or do they ask for invitations now from e.g. Spartans?
If Spartans or whoever get in, that means there is no longer any vacancies so newco can have as many years audited accounts as they want, there will be no future vacancy available for them to apply for.
It was my Grandpa who told me Hibs0666, not able to view it myself atm.
Yep, said all along that their commercial interests would mean there was no way they could be seen to vote no.Quote:
Originally Posted by EuanH78
I presume their fans will be working on their economic sanctions as we speak. Funny they were the group of fans to come out with this and it was probbaly their own club who didn't vote to say no.
Celtc voted no it was killie who abstained.Quote:
Originally Posted by hibs0666
Wouldnae surprise me if it was that *****house that did. Still he's the only one of the shysters that was honest through the whole thing making it clear that money and greed were mair important.Quote:
Originally Posted by degenerated
Open letter to Neil Doncaster :
Dear Neil
It has become apparent over the last two weeks that you believe that Scottish football is about show business rather than a sporting competition.
If this is indeed the case, can I suggest that you resign and allow Simon Cowell to take your place. The SPL can be changed to 'The Hun Factor' with relegation being scrapped in place of a telephone vote. With their legions of fans, this will ensure that neither Old Firm club is ever relegated and the money generated by the phone calls will bring a significant new revenue stream for them to share.
It will, of course, do nothing to improve the quality of football but think of the money !
Kind regards
A fan
Is this really the case? It's been said on here a lot but that doesn't make it true. Part of the Clyde statement mentioned that there is nothing in the rules to stop a new club entering SFL1, 2 or 3 despite it being set in stone on here that they have to start at the bottom.Quote:
Originally Posted by MB62
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Originally Posted by Seveno
:agree: Too many folks here already had him hung drawn and quartered before any facts have come out, and, still to do so
I am arranging a meeting with my MP, he is a Yam but I reckon in this case we will be able to find some common ground and hopefully have a good discussion about our concerns.Quote:
Originally Posted by ginger_rice
On the SPL threats, is there any chance of setting up an SPL 2 for next season given that there are only 4.5 weeks till the start of the season? Could SFL 1 clubs resign from the SFL and join an SPL 2 this season or is there a notice period?
IMHO, there is no chance of an SPL 2 happening this season, so the SFL clubs should just call the SPL's bluff and put the newco into SFL 3 next season.
In all seriousness do we not thinking waiting another 8 days to completely decide the fate of the Newco is rather a long time.
In the event that they are not allowed into Div1, how long will it take for Newco to apply for Div3, and then how long for them to vote if they are to be allowed into Div3? By the time all this is through the next season will be upon us. Surely it cannot be the quickest of processes to get a new team into a league?
Also when are we likely to hear who are "Club 12"?
How could they possibly push SPL2 through if nobody votes for the changes? :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by Gingertosser
Thats something I don't quite understand.
I'm hearing it was Killie who abstained. May be wrong but thats what Ive heard.
Do you know the full facts regarding Rod Petries position then? I only know that he has now done exactly what he said he would do all along, long before the mob started gathering a head of steam. The SPL interference into SFL affairs appears to be a commitee decision and we don't know Petrie's take on that yet. Based on what we know so far, our club has done the right thing for the right reasons.Quote:
Originally Posted by Desperate Dan
Actually, no. I was being pedantic, so I guess I was calling myself bent. But that's a bit pedantic.....Quote:
Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod
That's right because all of Rangers results would have been exhunged and they would have finished bottom instead of Dunfy. Didnae happen though.Quote:
Originally Posted by wee_hibee
I don't know, I'm just going on what the rules say: "the Club finishing in last place in the League in the immediately preceding Season shall not be eligible to participate in the League". It gives Dundee a strong legal argument if they want to use it.Quote:
Originally Posted by rcarter1
They can't without the agreement of the top 12 clubs in SFL 1. I don't think any SFL clubs will break ranks though.Quote:
Originally Posted by wee_hibee
Someone said to me that it was Ross County as they are the new kids on the blockQuote:
Originally Posted by Brooster
That sounds the most likely to me. Celtic had nothing to lose by backing a decision which was already inevitable. Killie don't want to face a boycott from either of the Old Firm so sitting on the fence was probably their only option.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brooster
Its funny that you say this.Quote:
Originally Posted by PatHead
Our solar system will soon be aligned with the galactic centre, a very rare occurance.
Their could be something to it all. :wink:
Quite possibly mate. A Killie fan just txt me from Egypt to say it was Killie, he's probably half canned on the all inclusive Don Revie.Quote:
Originally Posted by goldenhibby
If thats the case, then how on earth can they threaten the SFL with these changes (for not letting newco in) if its the SFL that controls if these changes take place or not in the first place?Quote:
Originally Posted by Seveno
It just doesn't seem to add up.
Lots of conflicting stories, but the main thing is they are OUTQuote:
Originally Posted by Brooster
I read the rules somewhere, but can't find them now. It's something like financial details for the last three years based on audited accounts but doesn't need the accounts themselves. I guess a newco could avoid the requirement by stating that their financial details were nil as they weren't in existence, and audited accounts would support this when they were available within the normal legal timeframe.Quote:
Originally Posted by marinello59
with rangers gone, we now need to instantly change the voting structure of the SPL. No more 11:1 ratio. Celtic can vote no, then the other 11 clubs can say yes to change. Then the SPL can move forward and make the drastic changes that are neccessary.
How could Rangers fans boycott Kilmarnock when they won't be going there for the foreseeable future? :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by marinello59
It disnae matter who's decision it was as far as I'm concerned, once it was known about anybody who thought it was wrong should have spoken out against there and then it if indeed they were against it. If they were not involved with the dirty dealings then those who said nothing at the very least gave it their tacit approval by saying nothing.Quote:
Originally Posted by marinello59
As I said earlier in another thread let's not forget about Petrie's involvement in the doncaster's and the OF's 10 team league farce which 98% of fans were against. He's nae stranger tae going against what the fans want tae push his own agenda so lets no be holding him up as an example some sort of protector of the good and righteous or the fans.
His time's been up for a long time as far as I'm concerned.
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Originally Posted by muzzhfc
Celtic abstaining makes no sense what so ever :confused:. It's a given it was going to be a NO to the newco so even if they want them in, why risk peeing of their own fans. At this time they've nothing to gain from it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andy74
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Originally Posted by degenerated
That's what I'm hearing. Wonder how they will feel when it's them next season and there's none of this calamity to safe them. I wont be back at Rugby park, that's for sure.
Agreed - surely a quicker vote is benefit to all to then move onQuote:
Originally Posted by MacBean
Seems a bit funny to be picking out the guy who has been 100% for the sporting integrity side of this from day 1 and has followed this up with his vote.Quote:
Originally Posted by Desperate Dan
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Originally Posted by wee_hibee
Money. If they don't go for it, they can forget the million pound a season they get from the SPL.
My feelings on the future of Donkey Doncaster are perhaps summed up by the words of one who for some reason remains a hero to many Rangers partisans:
* "YOU HAVE BEEN SAT TOO LONG HERE FOR ANY GOOD YOU HAVE BEEN DOING. DEPART, I SAY, AND LET US HAVE DONE WITH YOU. IN THE NAME OF GOD, GO!."
(Cromwell Addressing the Rump Parliament. April 1653)
So he voted no tae them being in the SPL, so did most others, does that mean any of them couldnae be party tae trying tae fudge them in tae SFL one? It's two different things. None of them have denied being part of it and it would be a bit late now. They all knew about it, none of them spoke against it, guilty by association.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andy74
Or was doncaster was just out there doing his own thing? If so why is he still in a job?
Don't go putting words in my mouth Given the facts we have then our club has acted exactly as they said they would so credit where credit is due. Until the full facts of the attempt to interfere in SFL business is known I will be holding fire.Quote:
Originally Posted by Desperate Dan
I like to think that these clubs have far more dignity than that.Quote:
Originally Posted by DH1875
If they had any common sense, they would realize that the extra 1 million wouldn't benefit any of them, because they would all then be spending more, meaning none of them would actually gain any advantage out of it.
Thats why i've never understood the whole hype of injecting loads of cash into a league, because it doesn't give any of the clubs any clear advantage over the others.
Sadly, the behaviour of many senior figures (who should be trustworthy) has lead to the ordinary person assuming they are all crooked, scheming bully boys who pay lips service to the wishes of the common fan, natural justice and sporting integrity until their action prove otherwise. And for good reason. Petrie and all the others still have work to do before they will have finally done the right thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by poolman
You shouldn't just make the assuption that RP would have voted yes if more clubs voted yes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Desperate Dan
He was the first to speak out against them and now he's voted "no" against them.
You can look at "but ifs" all you want, but the vote was "no".
Dundee been advised that they will not have a vote on the newco to SFL due to a direct conflict of interest.
Looks like its definitely them coming up.
To the tune of Danny Boy:
# "Oh Michael Johnstone,
how polished are your trouser knees?
Will your team be gone soon,
is your team feelin' the same financial squeeze?"
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Originally Posted by s.a.m
Source? Dunfy were preparing a legal challenge for this possibility.Quote:
Originally Posted by bernz
Quite fancy Dens for a change this season. Better that that ****ty corner at Ibroke.
Yes, you have made that clear in every one of your posts. :yawn:Quote:
Originally Posted by Desperate Dan
If my posts bore you, use the ignore function then. Other than that away 'n' bile yer heidQuote:
Originally Posted by Seveno
is it not that the UEFA license needs 3 years audited accounts and to play in the SPL you need an UEFA license?Quote:
Originally Posted by Caversham Green
http://www.dundeefc.co.uk/news_detai...NT&newsid=2383Quote:
Originally Posted by green glory
Not being allowed to vote so i'm guessing Dunfermline not be allowed also until they confirm who is up
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Originally Posted by Desperate Dan
Away and choke on your cow pie. :na na:
Dundee FC StatementQuote:
Originally Posted by green glory
http://www.dundeefc.co.uk/home/news_...sp?newsid=2383
Doesnt seem like it as they say "We were the only team in Division 1 told this as no other Club was conflicted."Quote:
Originally Posted by Brando7
That's my understanding of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by hibs13681
http://www.scottishfa.co.uk/resource...%20%282%29.pdf
For SFA entry, as I read it, it says "only" approved accounts. ie don't need to be audited. It looks like they are only needed for one year, which stuffs Sevco anyway.
Without SFA entry, that would disbar them from the SFL, no?
Interesting they also say that there is a large penalty for abstaining in a vote like this, unless there are extraordinary circumstances.Quote:
Originally Posted by bernz
Does this mean Killie could be punished for not voting?
No. That was an SPL vote.Quote:
Originally Posted by bernz
Does anyone know the official vote count, all I seem to see is overwhelming not unanimous.
10-1, with Killie abstaining and the Huns voting for themselves.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mikeystewart
Well done Rod on forcing through the vote today, as you said you would.
dont see why they are not allowed to vote because of a conflict of interest when rangers were just allowed to vote in whether they should be allowed into the SPL.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brando7
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Originally Posted by hibs13681
A Westminster committee is to hold an inquiry into the state of Scottish football.
Members of the media and sport committee at the House of Commons will begin taking evidence next week
from the BBC
So Killie will miss out on newco money next season and now probably have upset Celtic and other SPL clubs also.
If they had voted No then they would have upset newco but the rest of the SPL clubs would have still given them money.
Makes no sense to me :confused:
Good old BBC. Do they know Rangers aren't in liquidation? :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by s.a.m
Yet another absurdity in this whole saga. Each time rules stretched or bent just that little bit in Rangers' favour but they still can't get a result.Quote:
Originally Posted by hibs13681
To be fair to Green and Rangers after his statement outside Hampden today it isn't them putting pressure on clubs or SFL but the authorities are a different story.
Killie are skint ENDOF. They did and will open 3 stands to Smellic next year in order to get dosh. If theyve abstained then **** them too. Money grabbing whores.Quote:
Originally Posted by NJ Hibee
For me, there was only ever going to be 29 clubs voting; everyone in the SFL, except Dundee or Dunfermline. Makes sense to me, given that one of those two won't be playing in that league next season.Quote:
Originally Posted by HFCDaveA
But my point is that - looks like they have shot themselves in the foot as now people know they didn't vote - which is pretty much saying we support Rangers. So they will have Celtic and other SPL clubs against them instead of newco only in the longer run - that could be up to 3 years time! :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by Aldo
He cannae, ah ate it while he was busy typing a reply to you :D
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Originally Posted by Seveno
even so it will be very interesting to what the inquiry comes out with :agree:Quote:
Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod
I'm reporting you to PC Murdoch.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lungo--Drom
Do you think Hibs.net will be called as expert witnesses? :greengrinQuote:
Originally Posted by Gatecrasher
Good point, the only true vote for sporting integrity was a 'NO' vote and the Squirrels abstained so therefore didn't vote FOR sporting integrity. I hated going there anyway.
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Originally Posted by Aldo
They should definately be asking fans about their opinions.Quote:
Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod
The SPL knows there is not a cat in Hell's chance of getting a new league set up in 4 weeks - would struggle to sort out in a year ! Would need application process, selection process, new Articles, rules for play-offs etc etc . Hollow and ridiculous threat by Doncaster.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sergio sledge
In all seriousness CWG it must ALL be on this thread, but it would take some searching to find anything! :) This thread would make as expert a witness as probably anyone who is actually called to testify. Who wants to represent this thread in Westminster?
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Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod
I used to enjoy my Killie pies but only place I will buy them now is Aldi.
But Sevco were able to vote today ?Quote:
Originally Posted by bernz
It appears the rules for SPL and SFL are different.Quote:
Originally Posted by Onion
http://m.skysports.com/article/football//7865945
Sky Sports understands...
...that surely it is now all over for Dungcaster and it is certainly no longer any of his goddamn business where the NewCo ends up? Unless the cretin was serious about his SPL2 threat? Let's hope not.
I very much agree with you as them voting are a conflict of interest is it not?Quote:
Originally Posted by HFCDaveA
Latest count for Rangers to SFL1
Thistle are the 11th SFL club to voice opposition to a newco in Division One, following announcements from Falkirk, Dunfermline, Raith Rovers, Morton, Livingston, East Fife, Stranraer, Stirling Albion, Peterhead and Clyde.
With Only 29 voters, that just leaves 4 more clubs...Quote:
Originally Posted by PatHead
Lets be 'avin you!
It seems nobody likes them.Quote:
Originally Posted by PatHead
What a shock...
Is the % required not 75% in favour of Newco being allowed in? And is the vote for SFL1 or any SFL division?Quote:
Originally Posted by bernz
If they were to start in SFL3 then the structure would need to be altered, wouldn't it?
C'mon West of Scotland pub league
I'm going to be kind to Michael Johnston. I don't agree with him but at least he's been honest and consistent throughout. He could hardly vote Yes given reaction of Killie fans but voting No would have gone against what he thinks is the right thing to do.Quote:
Originally Posted by NJ Hibee
I think it was established that it only required a >50% yes vote in order to pass it. This would be voted on by all SFL clubs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibby Kay-Yay
No restructuring needed for going into SFL3 as they would simply be filling the vacant spot.
Nope. Every club would simply budge up a place. No reshaping would be required.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibby Kay-Yay
Definitely 50%, as confirmed by Clyde's statement.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibby Kay-Yay
Have Airdrie not also said they were going to abstain? In that case will it only need 14 votes against or will there be a casting vote?
Has anyone voiced their approval?Quote:
Originally Posted by PatHead
Cowdenbeath?Quote:
Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod
Or was that just based on assumptions?
Shirley they have a conflict of interest. Their chairperson will be away doing other things on the 12th July, no? :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by bernz
Who knows!Quote:
Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod
Thats exacty what I was thinking ,thousands of fans are on the brink off walking away clarity on how their clubs voted ,would have been of great interest IMO ,sadly its the old mushroom situation tell them heehaw ,keep them in the dark and throw some ***** at them now and againQuote:
Originally Posted by Mikeystewart
Finally Celtic say something :rolleyes:
http://www.celticfc.net/newsstory?item=2760
Let's see how they react when they want to change the voting system within the SPL :agree:
That's big of themQuote:
Originally Posted by NJ Hibee
They were always going to open their gubs after it was over. Bunch of cowards.Quote:
Originally Posted by NJ Hibee
Either Celtic have been living in cloud cuckoo land and didnt already know the feelings held, or they were hoping for something to change before they decided which way to vote.Quote:
Today´s decision to refuse access into the SPL was an overwhelming one and demonstrates the depth of feeling amongst everyone involved in Scottish football.
IMO of course.
You know deep down they would have preferred rangers to still be in the spl.Quote:
Originally Posted by wee_hibee