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The bit I am not sure about is the spl board instructing them to give up the share. If the spl are intent on letting rangers get the best possible deal what is stopping the from relegation? the vote is only for will we allow rangers to transfer the shre to a newco. If its a no then i think it's pretty unclear what happens with old rangers and their share.Quote:
Originally Posted by Caversham Green
I will say this id his position at the SFA us clashing with his interests at Hibernian then he should resign from one of the posts. He's either all for Hibs or hes not. ( o and fwiw I am a RP backer ) if he has had ulterior motives in his position at the SFA then he contradicts what he says as Hibs chairman then surely his integrity is in question.Quote:
Originally Posted by TQM
Thing that cheeses me off with this thread and others is that Hibs fans are arguing with each other over f****** Rangers.
It's been hard enough the last two seasons without falling out over those Glasgow *****.
This thread is fair enough but most other threads is hijacked with Rangers nonsense, I went into the signings thread and actually came back out it because I thought I had opened the wrong one by mistake.
No, it's a fact.Quote:
Originally Posted by Skanko79
Keep your head in the sand then.Quote:
i dont give a toss about where rangers play there football next season, thats what ive said all along.
some of you folk really need to take a long hard look at yourselves.
no point replying to any of my posts, i'll stick to getting involved in the more hibs related threads, you lot are a complete joke.
someone comes along with a different set of opinions to you and your on it like a bunch of wee fairys with your facts and fugures, is there no a seperate forum for folk like you lot to go and have your wee stat partys with your facts and fugures cos your boring me to complete tears, and probably the majority of folk on the forum.
The majority of HIBS SUPPORTERS ive spoken with regarding it, and believe me, its just been brief conversation becuase its not the be all and end all of our game, and im talking about folk that have supported the club through thick and thin since the 40's and 50's couldnt give a TOSS about it. they just want Hibs to do well and get behind there team.
what part of that is so difficult for you folk to understand???
emailing the board because your worried about rangers......get a grip. have you not got a job to go to or something istead of hassling our board at 1 in the morning??
Regardless what happens. I intend to do the above. Just wanted to say my piece.
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Originally Posted by Hibbyradge
point out please where i have insulted anyone?
im sure if i had youd be all over it like a shot reporting it to the admins.
I beg to differ, you and Desperate Dan are basically typing the same stuff in every post you write. Im not saying I disagree with you but please give us a break.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibbyradge
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Originally Posted by Hibbyradge
And for once i agree with you Mr Radge, a fixed league and i am finished with Scottish football, i will not be back either and i am sure there will be thousands of supporters from SPL clubs doing the same as us.
https://twitter.com/tonymckelvie/sta...50590295764992
The proposals start to fall apart.
There's always been inequality in football, I know that, but that applies to every league in the world.Quote:
Originally Posted by Skanko79
Big teams have more money, wield more power and get more breaks.
But that's accepted as part of the deal. Small clubs exist to beat these giants, fairly and squarely.
But Rangers didn't even allow that. They stole that from us by their cheating.
I'm not worried about Rangers.Quote:
Originally Posted by Skanko79
I'm worried about the sport that I committed myself to, emotionally and financially, for over 40 years.
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Originally Posted by Hibbyradge
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Doncaster, Regan (who is up to his neck in it now), Ogilvie, Petrie, Topping, Lawwell and a few other Chairman sincerely believe in their naivety the threat by fans to not attend matches is not real.
The above "leaders" and possibly a few others believe if they think it enough and say it enough you will believe it...because after all we are just a football fan and we'll swallow any old line.
The SPL was designed for the benefit of 2 clubs by those 2 clubs, and Jim McLean will maintain to this day he regrets the day he was sold on this by Celtic/Rangers.
And with gers out of the picture (not completely) it has to be Celtic who are driving this. Now I don't have access to any Celtic fans sites but would like to know for sure Celtic's fans are aware Lawwell is selling them and their dearly held beliefs right down the Clyde as we write.
Fingers firmly lodged in the lugs for some idiots, "Laa laa laa not happening laa la laaaaaaaaa."
Doncaster, Regan (who is up to his neck in it now), Ogilvie, Petrie, Topping, Lawwell and a few other Chairman sincerely believe in their naivety the threat by fans to not attend matches is not real.
The above "leaders" and possibly a few others believe if they think it enough and say it enough you will believe it...because after all we are just a football fan and we'll swallow any old line.
The SPL was designed for the benefit of 2 clubs by those 2 clubs, and Jim McLean will maintain to this day he regrets the day he was sold on this by Celtic/Rangers.
And with gers out of the picture (not completely) it has to be Celtic who are driving this. Now I don't have access to any Celtic fans sites but would like to know for sure Celtic's fans are aware Lawwell is selling them and their dearly held beliefs right down the Clyde as we write.
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Originally Posted by Skanko79
So you think its right for cheats to prosper in Scottish football.
Tell me this, would you go to the casino where you no the tables are rigged, the machines are rigged, the whole place is set up to rip you off and take your money, would you still go in and gamble your money or even be daft enough to go back the next week and gamble your money again.
What a sorry sorry mess this is :rolleyes:
Now having to work and trying to get on and have a life, I haven't been able to keep up to speed with this fast moving and ever changing farce so I could be well off the mark but this is how i see it:
Yes Rangers have done wrong and so need to be punnished - SPL club chairmen come out and say they have listend and will vote NO to a newco but for me it was quite noticable the clubs that haven't said NO as of yet. Celtic, Lawells played a blinder here as by not sying anything he hasn't yet upset his own clubs support and also defused a possible public disorder catasrophy. Now the other noticable nay sayers are the small clubs in the greater Glasgow are, St.Mirren, Well and Killie. These are the three clubs who would suffer the most from a boycote of Old Firm fans.
It seems like Clubs are working together to best please their fans and defuse Gers fans anger.
Now this is where Sky enter the equation:
Yes we want to demote Gers/Sevco to the bottom and that is what should happen but we know Sky will rip up the contract so we propose 1st division as the solution.
We know this is wrong and SFL clubs know its wrong but i think that if we dont do this then Sky walks and Killie and Motherwell (at least) go to the wall overnight.
The banks will be using the Sky contract as insurance for their continued support of the clubs and without it they will pull the plug on the clubs.
So basically Sky have us over a barrell and we have somehow created a situation where SPL clubs are under so much pressure from the banks to keep the deal that we are now blackmailing SFL clubs into supporting Newco for 1st Div or else! If the SFL dont vote for it then SPL2 is created and the whole pyramid proposal and and hope and dreams of lower league sides die forever.
I genuinely think that Petrie and co would want to do exactly what we all want them to do but they fear if they do clubs will pay the ultimate price with the banks and so therefor they can't. Sadly by doing what is being proposed they could die a slower death, Petrie is caught between a rock and a hard place and feels he couldn't win no matter what he did.
It's my day off and i was going to drive through and get the new top but now i'm just totally scunnered with the whole sorry saga i just don't know what to do. What i do know is that i will neve subscribe to Sky but i also know that i could never walk away from Hibs. GGTTH
Oh dear :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Skanko79
Think your in the minority about your opinions - if you can't see the bigger picture here there is a problem and I would start reading more about it and the consequences it will have for the game in the future.
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Originally Posted by Hibbyradge
What the WWF is rigged, you never, shocked at that news so i am. But others tell me its the real deal. :wink: :greengrin
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Originally Posted by Hibbyradge
This is exactly how I feel. The truth is that Scottish Football is crap and utterly corrupt, but a love of my local team and a belief that they are at least playing in a semblence of a real and fair competition, where everybody is bound by the same rules, even if the financial odds are stacked against most of them, is all that is keeping me in this circus.
If that goes out the window, then I won't be involved in the ridiculous farce left behind. Why would any sane person want to be?
your post is a perfect example of my point.Quote:
Originally Posted by silverhibee
the rangers situation is not the be all and end all of life.
ive not in ANY of my posts used the word cheat, nor said i want them to prosper in our game.
the minute someone comes along with a different set of opinions its not the end of the world.
I can only laugh at that :faf::faf::faf::faf::faf::faf::faf::faf:Quote:
Originally Posted by Skanko79
Firstly I'm finding it hard to believe that the document in the STV report was published by the SFL. The standard would embarrass a local pub quiz league and many of the statements are at best spurious. This is the future of Scottish football we're talking about and it deserves a full report, not a handful of trite bullet points with absolutely no foundation. If this is the standard of its governing bodies Scottish football started dying a long time ago. As far as the subject matter goes, it warns of meltdown - if the future of the game is dependent on the existence of a single, institutionally corrupt club then meltdown is both necessary and deserved.
As I've said before, the way ahead is clear and obvious and already decided upon by the people who are now trying to change it. No doubt it will be damaging, but in my view they have to contemplate the difference between damage and death, because deviation from the path will kill the game. I'm cursed with the ability to see both sides of most arguments, but in this case I can see only one.
I'll reserve comment on Rod Petrie until his full involvement in this process comes to light, but he does seem to need reminding of his comment about sporting intergrity being beyond purchase. At the moment those word look worse than empty.
To those saying they won't be back, can I make a suggestion? I fully agree with your stance and I would be saying the same thing if I was a regular, but remember if SPL2 is formed it will be because the SFL clubs rejected the admission of Rangers into SFL1. These clubs will deserve support, so get yourselves along to your nearest SFL club and get your footy fix there instead of the corrupt SPL.
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Originally Posted by TQM
Without appearing rude, isn't it the case that you don't actually turn up to watch Hibernian? -but you will attend when we visit Tannadice - (not a dig at not turning up by the way - each to their own) - the point I'm making is that insufficient punishment to rangers being unacceptabel to you makes absolutely not a jot of difference to Hibernian FC?
Sorry SMAXXA :greengrinQuote:
Originally Posted by SMAXXA
Jeez, Brooster, if repetition was banned, there would be a fraction of the posts on here. :wink:Quote:
Originally Posted by Brooster
It's not my intention to irritate you, merely to discuss issues and give my opinion, but if you're finding them too difficult to bear, I won't be offended if you put me on ignore.
Skanco, you've made your point over and over and over. As far as I can see you've failed to convince anyone that your blinkered, simplistic viewpoint is the way to go. If you believe that the turning a blind eye to corruption and cheating is the majority viewpoint of all Hibs supporters, God help us. You, as is your right, have condemned the other viewpoint. There doesn't seem to be any common ground ( except that we all have the same aim). Since the admins have religiously condensed all the 'Rangers' posts into one or two threads, it surely makes it simple for you to ignore the 'moaning minority'.
Heard the same but it was Hampden he enquired about>Quote:
Originally Posted by garlic
Exactly! You have not used the word because you seem to either be in denial, or in your own words you "couldn't give a toss".Quote:
Originally Posted by Skanko79
Quite simply a lot of people do not want to overlook a crucial fact that you seem happy to.
im most certainly not the one trying to convince anyone of anything.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jim44
and your right, 400 odd pages of the same people blowing smoke up each others @rses about the rangers situation is NOT appealing.
alot of people? judging by the posts on this forum it would seem somewhere in the region of about 8 or 9.Quote:
Originally Posted by hibsmad
Well judging by the posts on this forum that's about 7 or 8 more people than those who share your view.Quote:
Originally Posted by Skanko79
The articles and rules are very clear - the board would have no option but to give that instruction - Rangers FC are no longer a football club and so are not eligible. The SFL are a separate body and the SPL cannot force them to accept any club beyond the already agreed promotion/relegation arrangement of one up/one down.Quote:
Originally Posted by hibs13681
Rangers FC cannot be relegated they can only be expelled from the SPL - unless the articles/rules are changed which is what they seem to be cntemplating now.
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Originally Posted by hibsmad
so, if Rangers get to stay in the SPL or get to go to the 1st division are you going to stop supporting Hibs and going to Easter Road?
Really? I suppose this here, is representative of 8 or 9 folk on Hibs.net whae are pissed off with the hun situ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Skanko79
http://www.hibernianfc.co.uk/page/Fe...639653,00.html
I suggest, at least a portion of that 2,500 punters who had season tickets last year are NOT renewing until this ***** is cleared up.
Nobody likes being made a **** out of. And rangers/the media/spl/sfl and SOME clubs are attempting to make a **** out of us all, the rules and sporting integrity.
Bottom line; Gretna and others went bust (and under FAR less devious circumstances) - they disappeared. They would not have been offered immediate entry into the 1st division so why the **** should rangers? Their contribution to the cause of progressing Scottish Football all over the world - Im sure the folk of Manchester would welcome them back? Dodgy salutes? Dodgy songs?
Its NOT that anyone doesny care aboot Hibs more than Rangers....its all aboot being made to look stupid and most folk, rate that right up there with what matters.
RANGERS TO THE THIRD DIVISION. ANYTHING ELSE, IS PISH AND ****ING CHEATING.
GGTTH.
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http://www.hibs.net/showthread.php?2...wco-into-SFL1)Quote:
Originally Posted by Skanko79
Does this poll answer your question as to the thoughts of people on this matter?
if you guys want to stop supporting hibs over it then on you go. its you that will be the death of our club if you do so.
good luck with that.
Nobody wants that. We want to be treated as equals, not to be treated as second class. If we don't speak up this will go through.Quote:
Originally Posted by Skanko79
http://www.saintmirren.net/pages/?p=13398
St Mirren now confirm their intention to vote no, but more interestingly throw their weight behind a 16 team top division.
and your willing to sacrifice the future of your own club for that of another?Quote:
Originally Posted by BarneyK
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Originally Posted by Caversham Green
:agree:, it's such an obvious contradiction that i find it very hard to believe that RP, having been very consistent on the sporting integrity front, would try such a crass manouevre.
He will no doubt though be looking into the least worst option for Hibs, it's his job. The proposal for Rangers directly into first division is such a contemptable, clumsy idea that i can't see Petrie orchestrating it - I am prepared to stand corrected on this though.
How about a solution of say :
14 team SPL
14 team SPL2/Div 1
14 team SPL3/Div 2 (with pyramid system)
- Rangers still get pumped to the lowest possible league in Scottish Senior Football, a consistent punishment (i.e. Livingston) but could be back in SPL in 2 years
- League reconstructioin with pyramid system, play offs and more (?2-3) automatic relegation/promotion places
- For this structure to be adopted the OF would have to agree to EQUAL share of the broadcasting money pot and an EQUITABLE voting structure
Perhaps a tad simplistic but possibly a way of ensuring the fair change necessary for the game in Scotland, punishing Rangers maximally but with a smaller stick to beat them with in terms of only 2 leagues below SPL.
Win/Win.:dunno:
Agree with this. If it had been any other team but Rangers, the majority of people threatening to never go back wouldn't even bother. It's just that there is such hatred towards them on here that people want them gone.Quote:
Originally Posted by Skanko79
I couldn't care less if they're in Division 1 or Division 3, as long as Hibs are doing well.
No. It won't only be our club that dies. It will be Scottish football. Because this conversation is mirrored across fans of teams the length and breadth of this country. Teams that aren't doing quite as well as Hibs financially. I admire your blind loyalty to Hibernian, but the club are part of a bigger picture.Quote:
Originally Posted by Skanko79
I have a question for you. If Rod decided that Hibs were going to change direction and start playing rugby in the SRU leagues (or whatever they're called), would you still go? Or would you desert your club at that stage?
I know, been searching for a 500 page thread for when it happened to gretna and dundee and livvy but im struggling to find one somehow.....................Quote:
Originally Posted by Steve20
In many ways, it's nothing to do with Rangers anymore. It's to do with believing in your club and that they are competing in a fair and just competition. Many people will just lose the heart for participation in a league where a club can do whatever they like and face no punishment, where they are not allowed to be relegated, where, if you listened to early media reports, they aren't even allowed to finish outwith the top 6 - because that would knackers Sky's 4 old firm games. It leaves too many questions unanswered. If they dinnae stroll through the first division and face a last match battle for that promotion place, is the other club expected to throw the game? If they get back to the SPL and Hibs are sitting in 4th, 3 points away from Europe and they are sitting bottom needing a win to stay up, are WE supposed to throw the match? If, unlikely as it would be, they decided to try their hand at proper match fixing, our powers that be have already confirmed for them that there is not a thing that we could do that would punish them fully. Basically we are giving them carte blanche to do whatever the Hell they like, yeah, much like it's always been, but it somehow sticks in the craw when it is this blatant, and that is what many are struggling with.Quote:
Originally Posted by Skanko79
Hibs haven't been doing well for decades.Quote:
Originally Posted by Steve20
It now transpires that part of the reason for that is Rangers' cheating.
How much are you willing to put up with before walking away?
You're looking for the thread where Livvy and Gretna were parachuted into the first division and the whole of Scottish football was restructured to get them there? Good luck with that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Skanko79
It didnt need one as the rules where in place and it was dealt with, on this occasion the rules are in place and it is far from dealt with.Quote:
Originally Posted by Skanko79
That's probably because the authorities didn't try to bend (if not break) the rules to "accommodate" them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Skanko79
right, so ive now been faced with possible scenarios comparing this situation to one in a casino and now rugby. that for me about sums it up.Quote:
Originally Posted by McS****y
im NOT trying to change anyones views on this, just a bit stumped as to why people are prepared to walk away from our club.
scottish football has been a complete farce for years im affraid. the sooner some folk here realise that the better.
Exactly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Skanko79
Because they were dealt with as per the rules.
They also didn't rob £140m in order to win countless championships and trophies and get to a UEFA Cup Final!
The SFA, SFL and SPL are bending the rules to let Rangers off. It's corruption and you're condoning it.
fancy going into a wee bit more detail with that?Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibbyradge
It is our club when the club are doing things as per the rules in place, it then becomes something else if it is involved in any form of bending rules for a club that has cheated on every club it has played, that is not Hibs to me that is just another wing of the OF and I am not going to support that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Skanko79
If Hibs are having nothing to do with it in anyway shape or form I am with them 100%.
[QUOTE=Bad Martini;3279506]Really? I suppose this here, is representative of 8 or 9 folk on Hibs.net whae are pissed off with the hun situ?
http://www.hibernianfc.co.uk/page/Fe...639653,00.html
I suggest, at least a portion of that 2,500 punters who had season tickets last year are NOT renewing until this ***** is cleared up.
Nobody likes being made a **** out of. And rangers/the media/spl/sfl and SOME clubs are attempting to make a **** out of us all, the rules and sporting integrity.
Bottom line; Gretna and others went bust (and under FAR less devious circumstances) - they disappeared. They would not have been offered immediate entry into the 1st division so why the **** should rangers? Their contribution to the cause of progressing Scottish Football all over the world - Im sure the folk of Manchester would welcome them back? Dodgy salutes? Dodgy songs?
Its NOT that anyone doesny care aboot Hibs more than Rangers....its all aboot being made to look stupid and most folk, rate that right up there with what matters.
RANGERS TO THE THIRD DIVISION. ANYTHING ELSE, IS PISH AND ****ING CHEATING.
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I totally agree,
and just to clarify things, its not only what Rangers have done that's irritating most Fans, its the blatant rule changing to accommodate them.
As we all know they have been suffocating Scottish Football for decades now and we along with all other clubs, out with the Old firm, have had to
accept it and get on with it, but now that we have a chance of change, albeit through a serious breach of rule breaking, change which can only
be good for Scottish Football, but alas the SPL and SFA dont want that change to be as drastic as the current rules state, rules that they would
quickly and severely implement if it were any other club outwith the Glasgow Clubs.
This only tells me that there is fear, within the powers that be and the Glasgow Clubs, in allowing the other Clubs to compete on a fairer and
level basis.
If we allow these proposals put forward by the SPL and SFA to go ahead, what is the point of carrying on only to once again play second fiddle
to and again be playing for third spot in a League that is already a laughing stock throughout Britain and European football.
And mark my words those Rangers fans will like nothing better than to see other clubs go to the wall and if they can assist in that by boycotting
grounds who had the audacity to vote against them on an issue they themselves would not be blinkered to if it was another Club rather than
themselves then they will do this.
Third Division or the games up.
GGTTH
listen guys, if im being totally honest with you im getting abit bored listening to your facts and figures and your dates and deadlines with rules and regulations.
the long and short of it is that if your going to walk away from the club you have apparantley "supported" all your life then good for you.
just do it quietly. Because when you realise that the majority of the 2500 folk that signed that petition completely bottle it beacuse they signed it purely down to the fact they hate rangers (as i do as well by the way) and renew anyway and your left twiddling your thumbs on a saturday afternoon dont say i didnt warn you.
no point replying to this by the way cos im done.
How can there even be a possibility of restructuring the leagues with only 5 weeks until the SPL kicks off?? Surely there are too many plans in place for the current fixtures? Police / stewarding / catering / travel plans by clubs. Let alone season tickets being sold; club budgets being set.
I would feel for the three teams 'awarded' a promotion. How can they possibily hope to challenge in a league they weren't expecting to be in. This, of course, depends on TRFC being in div 3.
I am so angry at all this being done to save one cheating club. Just what a poor state of affairs is Scottish football in, that it just can't do without a team that has been sh*tting on them for years and years. It feels like we are a victim of abuse who keeps taking it because they can afford to buy a few trinkets occassionally to keep us thinking they aren't so bad and will probably change, maybe tomorrow.
Hopefully teams like Morton see a big pick up in their attendances.
That's because all those situations were dealt with under the rules. That's all anybody is asking for now. What we're getting is a series of attempts to bend the rules or just make up new ones to keep some form of Hun club at the top of the Scottish game.Quote:
Originally Posted by Skanko79
You're right that the game has been getting more and more ****ed for years, but this would be the straw that breaks the camel's back as far as I'm concerned. You're totally free to disagree, keep attending, do what you like, up to you. You're perfectly entitled to your different opinion.
What I was trying to do (and clearly failing miserably) is show you that everyone has a line they draw as to where they decide that enough's enough. At that point they walk away from Hibernian. I was hoping for an answer from you on the rugby thing, but clearly you're not in a mood to answer my question.Quote:
Originally Posted by Skanko79
If you have enough time and disposable income to continue to watch a game of which the result has, to all intents and purposes, been decided off the pitch, then you go for it. Nobody's stopping you.
What gets me is not the fact that Scottish football has been a farce for years, it's the fact that we're now getting that confirmed to us and our faces rubbed in it into the bargain.
well done sellick for leading the way here :thumbsup:
Not a ****ing jot from them! :rolleyes:
Well it appears this thread is more important to you than you like to think, sure your focus is on Hibs, about 80-90% of the topics on front page are nothing to do with this issue, so I assume you are all over them or starting your own discussions?Quote:
Originally Posted by Skanko79
If I am not interested in a topic I read it once and leave it, you cannot tell us enough how board you are with it which seems strange as you have spent a lot of time on it.
Tell me, did the irony bypass hurt much?Quote:
Originally Posted by Skanko79
Why has it been (it now appears) to be a farce, at least in part. Becuase of the antics of Rangers. If the actions taken support the continuance of the farce, then it defies logic to me to implicitly defend it by continuing to go to games. I'm not a Hibs fan to see an endless procession of silverware, but a big element of motivation of going is that sports sometimes updet the odds. When the odds become ludicrously stacked against everyone in favour of one (or two) teams, then it ceases to be worthwhile.
Instead of changing the set up to suit the huns/newhuns, could it not be that the other clubs are using the current situation to push through changes (league reconstruction) that would otherwise have been vetoed by a powerful old firm?Quote:
Originally Posted by JeMeSouviens
Well, since you ask so nicely...Quote:
Originally Posted by Skanko79
Hibs last won the league in 1954 - 6 decades ago.
Last time we were second was 1975, 3 decades ago.
We've been relegated twice since then.
We've won the league cup 3 times in our history.
I don't need to mention the other cup.
In the 13 years since we last were last relegated, we've managed only 2 third place finishes and finished the bottom 6 five times.
If you think that's doing well, then I'm starting to understand why you're prepared to overlook the corruption in Scottish football.
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Originally Posted by Twa Cairpets
Cant help thinking oor rod may have shot himself in the foot here, cause when the dust settles and the NO voters are triumphant there will be some SFA hierarchy who's positions will become untenable and rodders could have been in prime position as a man of integrity to take advantage, but it looks like he shot his bolt and he might not be the supertache we all think he is, he's certainly had enough time to rubbish the claims and as yet nowt. :agree:
I've probably missed this appearing here in the time I went out for my lunch, but this is on the ESPN web site.
The Scottish Football League (SFL) has denied reports that it has reached any agreement over proposals for the 'newco' Rangers to play in the First Division.
As the uncertainty over Rangers' future continued to deepen, the SFL said it had not reached any deal with any other footballing body to enable the club to take a place in the second tier of Scottish football.
The SFL was responding to reports suggesting Charles Green's club would be placed into the First Division with immediate effect. In a statement, it said: "The Scottish Football League can confirm that no agreement has been reached between the SFL and any other body regarding the position of the Rangers 'newco' in the First Division. Consultation will continue to take place, primarily with our clubs, as previously advised."
More analysis of the SFL proposal document.......
http://wingsland.podgamer.com/the-lead-parachute/
I notice from the Poll at the top of this thread that the poster known as 'Blueisthecolour' has cast his vote :greengrin
Personally, I think that it is time to calm down at wait to see what happens. The most likely thing is that the Hun are going to self-destruct in any case.
Let's concentrate on backing our Club for the new season. If PF does not have the funds then he is going to find it that much harder to make the progress we all want. And there is only one way that he can get funds - through sales of STs and money at the gate.
:agree: the whole proposal is bonkersQuote:
Originally Posted by Spike Mandela
The Scottish Football League can confirm that no agreement has been reached between the SFL and any other body regarding the position of the Rangers 'newco' in the First Division. Consultation will continue to take place, primarily with our clubs, as previously advised.
Yes we know that no decision has been taken. The problem is that the decision boils down to the option of two courses of action, both of which are unacceptable. They're using ambiguous words to take the heat out of the situation. The numpties are saying, 'we haven't decided which of the two evils we will decide on.'
That's an excellent review of the "document" (which grows worse every time I read it).Quote:
Originally Posted by Spike Mandela
It looks like someone has issed the bullet points from a Doncasted led "brainstorming session", where no idea is considered stupid but ultimately some - incontrovertibly - are.
this was in response to the apparent stich up announced (leaked) to the press yesterday. And I think it answers the question on most of our lips, there is NO AGREEMENT to let New Rangers play in the SFL 1. If the noises coming from other clubs, particularly SFL ones, then it is not likely to happen.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jim44
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Originally Posted by Spike Mandela
and more analysis....................
http://scotslawthoughts.wordpress.co...ies/#more-1353
So many people picking holes in it now.
Sorry for being flippant but I can't help laughing at the double irony of the 'skanko' thread, which has a go at this thread, being sucked into this thread, The second irony is that his premise echoes the now legendary line - ' We don't do walking away.'
2 o'clock approaches. Damn, beter get on with some work!!
I'll pop back in later, see if they're deid yet.
The Chairman made the point that the vote should proceed without any further delay and that Hibernian FC will vote against the share transfer. The resolution will fail if four other clubs vote against it or abstain. If as a result of the vote on 4 July the Rangers newco is not voted into the SPL then it will be for other bodies to decide if and at what level Rangers might be accommodated within Scottish football.Quote:
Originally Posted by DH1875
I've read through a fair number of the posts since you made your inital comment Skanko and to an extent I'm in agreement with your inital post re getting behind Hibs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Skanko79
I've made it clear that I am oppossed to TRFC being admitted to any league other than SFL3, however I am also very tired of the whole thing now (perhaps this is what the clubs/authorities are hoping for in generrating malaise with the situation:confused:).
Personally I wnat to spend the next four weeks reading about my team are preparing for the new season, how we're putting a (hopefully) new & exciting squad together that will be a vast improvement on the last couple of years and not the ongoing trials & tribulations of TRFC.
Whilst opposed ot their admission into SFL1, a decision has to be made and soon for the benefit of the game in allowing it to progress and move on. If that decision is to somehow wedge TRFC into SFL1 with the various sanctions AND the end of the 11-1 voting rule in the SPL (this is a major issue for me) then maybe it will still be a carve up/ bitter pill to swallow but at least we'll have closure.
Then we can get back to the business of supporting HFC without any circus sideshow from Glasgow and be chatting about this player comnig or going or whatever but at least we'll be back to talking about Hibs.
For those whos are voting that they are opposed and will no longer attend football I fully respect that decision and understand. I have voted as part of the other 25% who will not be happy but will still goto football.
GGTTH.
If the Newco doesn't find a home, how many other SPL clubs would we see going down the tubes through the permanent loss of Huncome?
I reckon
- Killie
- St Mirren
- Motherwell - haven't they been bust already?
Stewart Milne is talking tough but the Dons must be pretty close to administration too, despite their recent cost-cutting?
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Originally Posted by Pitlochry hibee
I wondered who the 1 vote was.
He's been very quiet of late, does anybody know which hospital he has been admitted to? I want to pay him a visit and give him a bunch of (sour) grapes.Quote:
Originally Posted by ginger_rice
Given the standard of people at the top that have been involved with running the game in Scotland for years it's hardly surprising we are where we are now. Scottish fitba is full of myopic, self serving gravy train riders who dinnae give a **** about anything or anybody but themselves.
They will survive, they just have to cut their cloth. Posts like that don't exactly help the cause of punishing the Huns though!Quote:
Originally Posted by Gogs43
Sky publicly said nothing changes if Rangers are demoted - this ain't Sky. :cbQuote:
Originally Posted by Renfrew_Hibby
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Originally Posted by Skanko79
I've posted very little about this whole situation. I'm just an average fan, not an uber type. I don't hate or loathe anyone or any team, I support Hibs due to family and geography(Pilrig) and wouldn't just walk away from Hibs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Skanko79
However,
If the authorities or league chiefs do anything that 'allows' Rangers to walk, rejuvenated, back into a league other than the 3rd division I won't be back at Easter Road, or any other ground, what is the point?
I've already paid for next seasons ticket, it will remain at Easter Road unwanted, and no refund will be sought after. Hibs owe me nothing!
Some say the bile, the venom and the knifes are out because it's "Rangers", they are half right, it's because it's "Rangers" that are getting treated differently than so many others that went before them, like others have said, I can't imagine any other side being treated in a similar, favourable, way.
It scares me that I find it this easy to walk away, maybe my version of right-wrong is so clear to me!
Does it matter to anybody here? Sporting integrity will have been served. :devil:Quote:
Originally Posted by Gogs43
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Originally Posted by Spike Mandela
The claims about 16 million etc are nonsense
Your bang on the nail here. Whatever happens to them, there is going to be a complete overhaul in and rationalisation of football club income and expenditure. All clubs (Celtic to a lesser degree) are going to suffer and 'will cut their cloth accordingly'. Wages will drop and the clubs that do best will be those who can wheel and deal on a very low budget. Only one thing is certain - Rangers and Celtic will still be streets ahead in every department.Quote:
Originally Posted by LancashireHibby
Just heard a spokesperson (chairman?) for Stenhousemuir on Central FM stating that there would be no benefit for his club being in the same division as Newco FC I didn't catch it all but it appeared to be something to do with the added income being balanced out by extra expenditure in hosting them at Ochilview.
Not quite sure where he is coming from, as I'd no idea there was an alternative plan to parachute them into SFL2!!
Has me wondering though, if this is the view of SFL2 and SFL3 teams, then it could be that they will get voted into SFL1 after all.
It's quite possible that any club could be relegated (in 'normal' previous years excluding OF) and survive. One argument put forward by Hun apologists was this very point and someone (on a radio show I think) asked when was the last club that went bust after it got relegated.
If any club fails to adapt accordingly to the loss of the Rangers income, hell mend them :agree:
If those teams perceive no financial benefit from the plan they will probably vote against it because they are being exposed to relegation from SFL3 to non-league.Quote:
Originally Posted by ginger_rice
Annan Athletic, Elgin City and Stirling Albion have all replied to my e-mail I sent to all 30 SFL clubs. The Annan chairman gave the most cohesive response:
Hopefully we can all keep the pressure up on the fight for integrity, it is better than rolling over and accepting defeat.Quote:
Last night we held a meeting at our club, I cannot share the output with you as I'd prefer to share that, in the first instance, with the other 29 SFL clubs on Tuesday at Hampden. What I will say however is I have deep admiration for the resolve shown by the fans that are looking for sporting integrity to be achieved.
Edit: Newry Hibs beat me to it.
Dont worry son, you'll have your pick of the seats when Annan Athletic and East Stirling come callingQuote:
Originally Posted by Some mind numbingly stupid Hun on RM
A really interesting angle on the SFL proposal, which pretty much leaves the document in tatters.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spike Mandela
One of the most significant points for me is the possibility that the proposal breaches the Bribery Act 2010. Did some training on this Act recently and I can see where the writer is coming from.
BEING A DIRECTOR:
Whilst we're busy villifying and deriding the board of Hibs & other clubs for apparently pandering to allowing TRFC into SFL1, I'd just like to point out (out of common interest) the real dilema these people are now in with regards to the current situation: I have pasted a brief summary of the main legal & statutory duties of a director of any Ltd or Plc in the UK (obviously this applies to all football clubs registered with companies house):
Main Legal / Statutory Duties
Some of the key legal responsibilities you will have as a company director include:
- You must complete and submit your Annual Return (Form AR01) to Companies House each year.
- You must inform Companies House if any of your company or personnel details change at any time (e.g. changes to address / name / share capital). You can submit most of these changes online via WebFiling.
- Your company must abide by all prevailing employment, health & safety, and company laws and regulations.
- You must always act in the best interests of your shareholders.
- The company directors must not enrich themselves to the detriment of the company.
You will note I have underlined and put in bold the second bottom duty as I think this is the real dilema they now face, the obligation is NOT to the businesses customers but to it's shareholders and to me this means that the director must secure the business as a viable entity therby protecting the shareholders investments in that entity.
Boards of SPL clubs therefore (IMVHO) are really stuck between a rock and a hard place here:
- Kick TRFC to SFL3 and there are major financial ramifications which could cause the business to become insolvent and they have therefore failed in this duty.
- Have TRFC placed in SFL1 and run the risk of alienating the fans (customers) which could have serious consequences financially as well and again possible insovency and again they've failed in this duty.
This situation is lose/lose for the directors of clubs as they cant on the face of it balance their legal obligation as a business with that of being a football club whose life blood is it's supporters?
My personal opinion is that these guys are desperately trying to balance these duties but are struggling to do so.
The above are just thoughts and not necessarily correct (legally) nor does it mean I support TRFC being placed in SFL1 (said that before).
Anyone else have any thoughts on this?
The issue is the model by which Scottish football clubs have run themselves over the past 20 years has all of a sudden become unsustainable. The SFL document shows a desperate desire to cling onto that old model but it is unlikely to work. We are now firmly in the social media era and clubs now need to work with, rather than talk at, their customers. If clubs embrace a new model of working then they have a fighting chance of thriving. Failure to adapt will most definitely see clubs disappear.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gogs43
I'm a part owner of Stirling Albion wonder if that will give me a say :greengrinQuote:
Originally Posted by Salt & Sauzee
Undoubtedly all teams will be finiancially affected, but on the upside with the reduced budgets there will hopefully be more home grown tallent at ours and other scottish clubs. So maybe that will cause an upturn in our national sides fortunes....once harry potter gets his marching orders of course.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gogs43
The annoying thing is the fans and other clubs shouldn't have to fight for the integrity of Scottish football, the fact that we've all had to shows how corrupt it is in the first place.Quote:
Originally Posted by Salt & Sauzee
Just in case you ever feel any sympathy towards the plight of the Hun, more from that repository of wit, repartee and wisdom that is Rangers Media Bear's Den.
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