Generic Sevco / Rangers meltdown thread

[HFC 0-7]

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Am I being naive or is there nothing explicit in Hibs' statement that we should be panicking about?

It is whats not in the statement that's the problem. Petrie would know hat the fans are asking, are you involved with this plan to parachute them IMO div 1. The statement could have cleared that up but didn't. Has this Been discussed with the spl chairmen, if so, where was petries stance.

[Lungo--Drom]

Killie would do them. They can share jacuzzi time with their little pet spokesman Kenny Shiels and sing the same song all the time, "We are the Killie*/Billy* boys" *delete as applicable or maybe that should be *delete as despicable...

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Dont shoot the messenger.
Brian Kennedy back in the frame.Will offer to buy (the club) but not the stadium and look to ground share with either Killie,Motherwell or St Mirren until Green is forced to sell the Stadium as its un-used.

[greenginger]

Whilst be totally against Sevco starting its footballing life anywhere but the Third Division, this gerrymandering might have a better result for Scottish Football 5-10 years down the the line.

Green has not got the funds to sustain any New Huns in the 3rd Division and I'm sure guys like McColl, Park and others with real wealth behind them would step in and build them up from the bottom with their support behind them and it would get back to the Old Firm double act we have detested for the last 30 years.

If Green survives by getting into the 1st Division the Huns will remain divided and weak and Celtic will also weaken without the fear of being beaten by their arch rivals. Green's aim is to make money out of Rangers so I hope he has the opportunity.

Having said that I still want them in the 3rd or nowhere.

[Liberal Hibby]

As a result of this proposal I'm thinking of purchasing a season ticket, just so I can send it back.

Rangers are no more - and it is time that the SPL just accepted it and take whatever hit comes their way as a consequence.

[HFC 0-7]

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I think that the wording of the statement is significant. In order for newco to get into the first under the proposals, it requires immediate relegation for oldco Rangers (I don't think oldco can be relegated after the vote as they'll have given up their share).
The statement is very definite about voting no to the newco which then ( imho) implies that the vote will go ahead and the proposal won't.
I think if they vote no first then newco would have to apply for sfl 3 as there's no mechanism to put a new team in sfl 1.

Not I so sure, if they vote no to the spl share transfer, old co still have it. At which point they will be forced to give it up through relegation or the fact they are no longer able to field a club. I think what's happening here is a complete transfer of responsibility. At the moment they are responsible for rangers old co. if they choose not to transfer the share, they can relegate old co and it becomes the sfl problem. I fear this has been the plan all along. The statement from hibs basically backs this up. We vote no and it's someone else's decision.

[Skanko79]

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You are talking of two different things here.

1. No-one will disagree we were rank rotten last year. I would also say the year before that and probably most of the year before that and there were signs in the year before that. I am confident that, at last, this is being addressed by the Club.

2. Hibs are a part of an association of clubs that make up the SPL and more widely the SFA. Having an interest in Hibs I also have an interest in the environment Hibs ply there trade. This part of Hibs future is seemingly in disarray.

As many others have repeatedly said had this been any other club this situation we find ourselves in would have been done and dusted a long time ago. The fact that it has not and continues to cause uncertainty in the environment causes me concern about the future of Scottish football and the affect that will have on Hibs.

I am sure our Club are doing everything within their power to protect Hibernian FC as a Club. My concern is that not enough is being done to protect the environment we play in.

The enviroment we play play in has been deteriorating for years. Not just now. From grass roots right to the very top this country needs a complete overhaul of the way we run things. I'm fully aware of that.

The fact that everyone is only NOW jumping on the bandwagon because of the rangers situation is a wee bit cringeworthy, but if the results of it improve our game then fair play.

All im saying is im more commited to worrying about how we will play next season and hoping we improve than i am about rangers. I'm under the immpression the majority of folk on here that go on about it just want rangers out and dont give a toss about our game.

Celtic effectively changed names in the 90's and no-one batted an eyelid. whats all the fuss about now?

[green glory]

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The proposal is ridiculous enough to believe that it's been issued with the intention of it being rejected.

10/10. If I was a cynic, which I am. Donkey Doncaster's last gasp attempt to save his beloved Huns. The SPL chairmen humour his 'cunning plan' in the full knowledge the SFL1 clubs will reject it out of hand, followed by their refusal to join an SPL2.

Cue league reconstruction under the SFA/SFL. Hun Newco has to apply to join SFL3 as per Stewart Milne's statement. Doncaster's position untenable. Goodbye Doncaster and SPL.

[HFC 0-7]

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I do agree with you, but what makes a happy support is a good solid team winning on the park. Not the better interests of Rangers.

Wont make me happy if the authorities have engineered a way for a club that has cheated to have a season out and come back spending millions more than us and putting us further down the league.

[alexedwards]

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surely the future of our own club competing at the highest level should be at the forefront of your priorities instead of worrying about rangers.

couldnt give a toss about what happens with them.

Oh dear.

[lapsedhibee]

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The enviroment we play play in has been deteriorating for years. Not just now. From grass roots right to the very top this country needs a complete overhaul of the way we run things. I'm fully aware of that.

The fact that everyone is only NOW jumping on the bandwagon because of the rangers situation is a wee bit cringeworthy, but if the results of it improve our game then fair play.

All im saying is im more commited to worrying about how we will play next season and hoping we improve than i am about rangers. I'm under the immpression the majority of folk on here that go on about it just want rangers out and dont give a toss about our game.

Celtic effectively changed names in the 90's and no-one batted an eyelid. whats all the fuss about now?

Is this what you think all the anger's about? HunFC adding "The" to their name?

[HFC 0-7]

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Whilst be totally against Sevco starting its footballing life anywhere but the Third Division, this gerrymandering might have a better result for Scottish Football 5-10 years down the the line.

Green has not got the funds to sustain any New Huns in the 3rd Division and I'm sure guys like McColl, Park and others with real wealth behind them would step in and build them up from the bottom with their support behind them and it would get back to the Old Firm double act we have detested for the last 30 years.

If Green survives by getting into the 1st Division the Huns will remain divided and weak and Celtic will also weaken without the fear of being beaten by their arch rivals. Green's aim is to make money out of Rangers so I hope he has the opportunity.

Having said that I still want them in the 3rd or nowhere.

They will be stronger, even with green behind the club. When they get back into the spl after a season they will be debt free apart from the 5.5 loan which green will be making money on. They will get full houses again and be spending lots of money. Green will then be in a position to sell a virtually debt free rangers in the top flight, he will double his money easy.

[StevieC]

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Dont shoot the messenger.
Brian Kennedy back in the frame.Will offer to buy (the club) but not the stadium and look to ground share with either Killie,Motherwell or St Mirren until Green is forced to sell the Stadium as its un-used.

Surely there's nothing left to buy once you take the property out of the equation?

All he needs to do is show that he has a viable business plan and permission to play in a stadium?
In fact, if he renamed a non-league team to Govan Rangers he might even manage to provide 3 years of accounts?

[Just_Jimmy]

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The enviroment we play play in has been deteriorating for years. Not just now. From grass roots right to the very top this country needs a complete overhaul of the way we run things. I'm fully aware of that.

The fact that everyone is only NOW jumping on the bandwagon because of the rangers situation is a wee bit cringeworthy, but if the results of it improve our game then fair play.

All im saying is im more commited to worrying about how we will play next season and hoping we improve than i am about rangers. I'm under the immpression the majority of folk on here that go on about it just want rangers out and dont give a toss about our game.

Celtic effectively changed names in the 90's and no-one batted an eyelid. whats all the fuss about now?

Its about having your eyes on the bigger picture. Its about the greater good. Its like these folk who say "i hate politics, i dont vote it doesn't affect me".

If they get away with what they did it WILL damage the game beyond repair. Just now we have an opportunity to make repairs which just might help bring our game back to life with all the other benefits that will bring. Fail and scottish football is dead. I also disagree with you that the majority of the support dont care. Id say the majority do, and further more the majority at all scottish clubs care.

[bingo70]

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They will be stronger, even with green behind the club. When they get back into the spl after a season they will be debt free apart from the 5.5 loan which green will be making money on. They will get full houses again and be spending lots of money. Green will then be in a position to sell a virtually debt free rangers in the top flight, he will double his money easy.

I thought one of the conditions of the proposals was that they paid back the footballing debt of the old company? With the money due for Wallace, Jelavic plus possibly others would that not be about £6m? then you'd think they would accrue other debts while in the first division so straight away could well be over the £10m, add that to further sanctions which i think would be in place it may be harder for them to generate cash the way they did before so may not be the easy ride it's being made out to be.

I still think they should be punted back to the third division though.

[Hibbyradge]

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I do agree with you, but what makes a happy support is a good solid team winning on the park. Not the better interests of Rangers.

You're mistaken.

Regardless of the team Hibs put on the park next year, if the league is fixed, I won't be happy and I won't be back.

[Skanko79]

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Its about having your eyes on the bigger picture. Its about the greater good. Its like these folk who say "i hate politics, i dont vote it doesn't affect me".

If they get away with what they did it WILL damage the game beyond repair. Just now we have an opportunity to make repairs which just might help bring our game back to life with all the other benefits that will bring. Fail and scottish football is dead. I also disagree with you that the majority of the support dont care. Id say the majority do, and further more the majority at all scottish clubs care.

As i said earlier, if it improves our game then fair enough.

And i didnt say the majority didnt care, i said the majority are more interested in the improvement of our club on the park, not rangers.

[Skanko79]

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You're mistaken.

Regardless of the team Hibs put on the park next year, if the league is fixed, I won't be happy and I won't be back.

im mistaken about wanting my team to do well on the park?

if you feel that strongly about it then fair enough.

[Just_Jimmy]

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As i said earlier, if it improves our game then fair enough.

And i didnt say the majority didnt care, i said the majority are more interested in the improvement of our club on the park, not rangers.

Indeed you did. My apologies for misquoting you. The sentiment remains the same however, the majority of fans throughout scotland understand the situation with sevco 5088 has a direct corrolation to the well being of their club. If hibs play in a corrupt league then why does it matter if we sign messi and ronaldo?

[Part/Time Supporter]

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The enviroment we play play in has been deteriorating for years. Not just now. From grass roots right to the very top this country needs a complete overhaul of the way we run things. I'm fully aware of that.

The fact that everyone is only NOW jumping on the bandwagon because of the rangers situation is a wee bit cringeworthy, but if the results of it improve our game then fair play.

All im saying is im more commited to worrying about how we will play next season and hoping we improve than i am about rangers. I'm under the immpression the majority of folk on here that go on about it just want rangers out and dont give a toss about our game.

Celtic effectively changed names in the 90's and no-one batted an eyelid. whats all the fuss about now?

FFS. According to HMRC, Rangers owe them £92,000,000. Rangers have decided not to pay that, but want to continue trading as Rangers, playing in blue shirts at Ibrox Stadium. And you think that's okay?

[Hibbyradge]

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The fact that everyone is only NOW jumping on the bandwagon because of the rangers situation is a wee bit cringeworthy, but if the results of it improve our game then fair play.

All im saying is im more commited to worrying about how we will play next season and hoping we improve than i am about rangers. I'm under the immpression the majority of folk on here that go on about it just want rangers out and dont give a toss about our game.

That's an outrageous post.

You may not care about fairness and integrity, but please don't judge others by your low standards.

Clearly, it's you that doesn't give a toss about our game, if you're prepared to put up with corruption and greed and injustice.

To dismiss people's sincerely held beliefs as just "jumping on the bandwagon" is naive and suggests a total lack of awareness.

[greenginger]

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They will be stronger, even with green behind the club. When they get back into the spl after a season they will be debt free apart from the 5.5 loan which green will be making money on. They will get full houses again and be spending lots of money. Green will then be in a position to sell a virtually debt free rangers in the top flight, he will double his money easy.

Disagree with you there. They are not buying Season Tickets because they don't trust Green, various factions have action campaigns going on, proposals today for another NewCo Hun playing at Hampden. The list goes on.

Also the fix to get them into the 1st Div. includes the NewCo being responsible for past sins etc.

I don't agree with the proposed fix but if it results in a weak and divided club for the next 10 years some good might come out of it.

[Hibbyradge]

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im mistaken about wanting my team to do well on the park?

Read what I quoted.

[Skanko79]

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FFS. According to HMRC, Rangers owe them £92,000,000. Rangers have decided not to pay that, but want to continue trading as Rangers, playing in blue shirts at Ibrox Stadium. And you think that's okay?

as said earlier. i couldnt give a toss about rangers.

[Skanko79]

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That's an outrageous post.

You may not care about fairness and integrity, but please don't judge others by your low standards.

Clearly, it's you that doesn't give a toss about our game, if you're prepared to put up with corruption and greed and injustice.

To dismiss people's sincerely held beliefs as just "jumping on the bandwagon" is naive and suggests a total lack of awareness.

complete and utter drivel. thats all that merits.

sincerely held beliefs?? get a grip, i can count on one hand the ammount of folk on this board, you being one of them that come out with complete tosh regarding the rangers situation.

get behind your own team for a change.

[BarneyK]

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complete and utter drivel. thats all that merits.

sincerely held beliefs?? get a grip, i can count on one hand the ammount of folk on this board, you being one of them that come out with complete tosh regarding the rangers situation.

get behind your own team for a change.

What is the "complete tosh" out of interest?

[Part/Time Supporter]

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as said earlier. i couldnt give a toss about rangers.

Alright then, what do you give "a toss" about? Do you think it's alright for a Scottish football club to deprive schools and hospitals of £92 million?

[HFC 0-7]

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Disagree with you there. They are not buying Season Tickets because they don't trust Green, various factions have action campaigns going on, proposals today for another NewCo Hun playing at Hampden. The list goes on.

Also the fix to get them into the 1st Div. includes the NewCo being responsible for past sins etc.

I don't agree with the proposed fix but if it results in a weak and divided club for the next 10 years some good might come out of it.

If rangers go IMO division 1 they wouldnt that many of their season ticket holders to renew to win that league. As soon as they are back in the spl they will flock back just to get it right up all, in heir eyes, that tried to kill rangers. Green could even sell before the start of the spl season and the hoarders will be back angrier than ever. The deal is that they take their past punishments, ie the fine. I am not sure the transfer ban is even still on the table.

[sairheid]

The thing is, if you’re a businessman (which most chairmen are) it’s a good idea for the clubs. The ‘new’ Rangers are forced to take on the responsibilities of the old Rangers – pay their debts and take their punishment. And you’re not cutting out 50% of your main two income streams for longer than a year, so you’re not putting the future of your club at risk. Perfect.

Except football is not a business for the fans. We’ve seen Scottish football being hopelessly unbalanced for well over a century because of rancid bigotry. We’ve known that everything is twisted to favour the Old Firm and now we’ve proof that one half of them at least has been cheating and lying for years. And we’ve now got a once in a lifetime chance to make them pay, to redress the balance – even if just for a short time.

That’s what it’s all about. And that’s, hopefully, what the suits will come to understand. That it doesn’t matter how clever or financially sound the plan is. It won’t wash with the fans and it never will.

[Hibbyradge]

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complete and utter drivel. thats all that merits.

sincerely held beliefs?? get a grip, i can count on one hand the ammount of folk on this board, you being one of them that come out with complete tosh regarding the rangers situation.

get behind your own team for a change.

Excellent well thought out remarks.

As I said, a total lack of awareness.

I've supported Hibs since the 60's. I've been across Europe following them and I have years of season ticket books which I keep for some sentimental reason.

Giving up Scottish football is no easy option, but my sincerely held belief in fairness and integrity will not allow me to put up with what you seem perfectly happy to ignore.

If you want to kid yourself on that you're watching real competition in a real league, feel free, but don't criticise those who can see the truth.

You might as well watch WWF wrestling and pretend that's genuine too.

[HFC 0-7]

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I thought one of the conditions of the proposals was that they paid back the footballing debt of the old company? With the money due for Wallace, Jelavic plus possibly others would that not be about £6m? then you'd think they would accrue other debts while in the first division so straight away could well be over the £10m, add that to further sanctions which i think would be in place it may be harder for them to generate cash the way they did before so may not be the easy ride it's being made out to be.
y are due mon
I still think they should be punted back to the third division though.

Yes they will need to pay back the Wallace money. The jelavic money is different, they are due money from everton which they can't pocket they will need to pass to rapid. Even still, I think rangers are owed more from everton than they owe rapid. Don't think they will lose money in division 1. Even if only 20% of rangers fans renewed they could still win the league easy spending less than they bring in. Green will not put the club into any more debt IMO when the league gets underway. He want to make a profit. If he gets rangers into the spl virtually debt free he will make a mint. He could make a profit selling the club now.