Only cause they know how weak they will be.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bostonhibby
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Only cause they know how weak they will be.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bostonhibby
:thumbsup::party::giruy::lolrangers::applause::che ers::partyhibb:woohoo::blowingQuote:
Originally Posted by Mainboy19
No amount of smilies can convey how brilliant that would be.
Would they need a vote to be allowed into division 3?
If Charles Green needs advice on tax dodging he will 'keep it in the family' and ask Phillip Green.Quote:
Originally Posted by Col2
Just a wee thought on Killie's chairman. I've heard over the years that quite a few fans travel through from Killie every week to see the mighty Rangers play. Fans that should really be walking down the road to Rugby Park. So if Rangers die, Killie and their chairman are going to be surrounded by people with no team to support who hate every team who voted them into oblivion.
In steps Kilmarnock, playing in blue, playing nearby and were Rangers friendly in the vote. They even beat Celtic in a cup last season! Killie have been struggling for a while now with crowd numbers, and this could be a way of getting a couple more season tickets in. Sales are already up 5% (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18533267) and so maybe he's not so daft after all... If he can convince a fraction of their support to start following Killie, he's covered his losses.
On another note, is there any idea/consensus on whether Rangers FC is just an asset owned by a company able to be freely sold between companies. Or is it company itself, and thus when it was liquidated, its the club liquidated, rather than the holding company. I've pretty much followed everything in this epic thread so far, but I still can't get my head around that!
Who is Tony McKelvie, is he usually in the know about these things?Quote:
Originally Posted by stokesmessiah
I really hope this is true. Although it would be very satisfying if the rest of the SPL gave them two fingers, there's no absolute certainty that they wont get voted in.
I worked for an Ayrshire company once and 2 guys there were Rangers / Killie fans.Quote:
Originally Posted by stoobs99
That was a long time ago though. The rest of the Ayrshire guys were rabid Huns, one of whom said he'd never go back when they signed Maurice Johnston
Good point. Also would not be difficult, even for the brain dead, knuckle dragging, uneducated neanderthals to change a letter in their most sung song and just go with the Billy Boys???Quote:
Originally Posted by stoobs99
The no votes will continue - http://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/scotsol/homepage/sport/spl/4387832/SPL-rivals-ready-to-vote-against-newco.htmlQuote:
Originally Posted by CallumLaidlaw
Rumours rife up here late yesterday that Dundee willl be promoted very soon.
:bye: cheery bye huns, cheery bye !
Surely Dundee were always going to be promoted if/when Rangers get turfed out of the SPL? That was my understanding of the rules, Dunfermline were relegated and that has to stand.Quote:
Originally Posted by TQM
That could be the get out of jail card to SPL clubs who aren't prepared to publically state their intention to vote no.Quote:
Originally Posted by stokesmessiah
A good wee fence sitter for Celtic and Killie IMO.
Hope Spartans, Cove Rangers etc are preparing their applications to the SFL as we speak...
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Originally Posted by McS****y
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Originally Posted by McS****y
Include an amount for each match, paid to the home club.Quote:
Originally Posted by Prof. ****gy
I doubt it will be Dundee.Quote:
Originally Posted by TQM
The precedent has already been set by the SPL with the stadium issues and league reconstruction in the past, that saviour from relegation rather than deferring to the next highest finisher in Div 1 is the method for plugging any gap.
The fixtures would also need to effectively be rearranged to accommodate Dundee as there are around 10 clashes with Dundee Utd IIRC. Installing Dunfermline back into the SPL would be the easiest way to make up the difference.
Plus, Dundee are almost equally as morally bankrupt as Rangers, having screwed over creditors on 2 occasions - if they're going to get back into the SPL, it should be on footballing merit - they don't deserve to benefit from the demise of a club who did the same as them.
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Originally Posted by scoopyboy
I think Killie has played it's cards and will be on the huns 'good guys' list for future reference. Ironically and despite the fact Lawwell would possibly have gone against the wishes of the Celtic support, they will avoid the hit list if there is no vote.
I think there will be a fix which will see S5088 FC playing in the First or an SPL2 arrangement.Quote:
Originally Posted by McS****y
That's what I have thought all along steakbake......what better way, publicity and mediawise, to get the concept off the ground and worthy of TV money.Quote:
Originally Posted by steakbake
I would still boycott there, getting out of jail or changing your mind because you ken you're going tae be on the losing side disnae IMO equate tae making a decision tae dae the right thing. Michael Johnston made his position quite clear as a supporter of newco hun, he was quite prepared tae dae the wrong thing and put money before sporting imtegrity and the good of the game..Quote:
Originally Posted by scoopyboy
I can't see an SPL2 happening.
All SFL clubs would vote on it, why would the 20 clubs below this potential new league vote to give up on making money off Rangers, and in some cases to give up a promotion? No chance.
Jim Spence was told he was talking rubbish last week when he stated on the BBC Newsnight show that the other clubs wouldn't vote Sevco back into the SPL. Impossible, the others told him, the other clubs would never be that stupid. I get the impression that he's now quite enjoying announcing the no votes one by one.
[QUOTE=The Story So Far...;3271240]I doubt it will be Dundee.
The precedent has already been set by the SPL with the stadium issues and league reconstruction in the past, that saviour from relegation rather than deferring to the next highest finisher in Div 1 is the method for plugging any gap.
The fixtures would also need to effectively be rearranged to accommodate Dundee as there are around 10 clashes with Dundee Utd IIRC. Installing Dunfermline back into the SPL would be the easiest way to make up the difference.
Plus, Dundee are almost equally as morally bankrupt as Rangers, having screwed over creditors on 2 occasions - if they're going to get back into the SPL, it shou,ld be on footballing merit - they don't deserve to benefit from the demise of a club who did the same as them.[/Q
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Dunfermline have already sold more season tickets than last season., they do not want to be in SPL
Hearts, Dundee Utd, Hibs, Aberdeen, Motherwell, ICT, Celtic will all vote no, bye bye Rangers.:-)
I know that over the last 5 months there has been a lot of information come out about the situation at Ibrox. At times the sheer volume has been too much too compute and a lot of misleading misinformation has come out that has led some of us to believe that the situation over there was down to greed, ego's and arrogance. Fortunately some kind Sevco fan has decided to explain it properly so as to keep us on the straight and narrow, turns out it wasnt actually their fault at all...http://forum.rangersmedia.co.uk/inde...owtopic=223488
I'd prefer to hear about what the competition's like for getting in to the West of Scotland League.Quote:
Originally Posted by McS****y
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Originally Posted by stokesmessiah
They have the highest debt to turn over ratio in SPL - the bank will be getting jittery with all thisQuote:
Originally Posted by VickMackie
I wouldnt mind this.Quote:
Originally Posted by steakbake
The fans forums ( including this one ) are full of 'lets boycott this club or that club'. Hell the way things are going there wont be any hope for Scottish football coz nobody will be watching anybody.
A newco voted back in and relegated to SPL2 with hopefully a points deduction too would be enough for me.
Theres nothing wrong with a bit of compromise, not because I really care what happens to the newco rangers, but because I think we are in danger of tearing the game apart with all the bad feeling this situation is starting to cause between all the clubs.
This all started as a demand from all of us that Rangers should be punished and now its become a runaway train with everybody threatening everybody else.
I just want a fair league and to see some football played. Rangers punished will do me as long is it doesnt mean them playing in the SPL next season.
A young boy absentmindedly kicks a ball past the coffins containing the remains of Rangers FC prior to their burial under fresh tarmac in Edmiston Drive, Govan...
Http://www.rangers.co.uk/javaImages/...0976676,00.jpg
As far as I'm concerned that would still be totally unacceptable.Quote:
Originally Posted by steakbake
Oh dear DD, looks like your going to have to buy a season ticket now :greengrinQuote:
Originally Posted by Desperate Dan
Most of that is just delusional nonsense. One or two lads seeing it exactly for what it is but most are blaming Lloyd's, the Global financial crisis, the SFA and of course, not forgetting Catholics who are involved in some kind of plot against them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Desperate Dan
Beyond parody.
Not if they only go tae the 1st division. Why, oh dear? I have nae problem with continuing with my support of hibs financially after the right thing is done. I have already stated I will likely renew, if I dinnae I will still be there every game I can make which barring any problems with my back will be all of them.Quote:
Originally Posted by HH81
Compromise that produces changes that benefit the game in the long term as a whole is acceptable to me as well. Rangers out of the top division is a must. A single governing body overseeing a fairer distribution of revenue along with a more democratic voting system is long overdue. My preferred option would be to get all of that plus Rangers starting out on SFL3 but reality suggests that some sort of deal will need to be done.Quote:
Originally Posted by BOVRIL
would it be done for anybody out with the OF? Would it ****. Nae fudges and nae compromises, bottom division or nowt.Quote:
Originally Posted by marinello59
The game has needed change for years. The fact its an Old Firm team in the cr@p means that the other clubs are in a position of strength for once. That's would not be a fudge, that would be using that advantage to gain genuine benefits for the good of the whole game. I want to see them in the bottom division but all that will mean is that their inevitable march back to the top flight takes them two years longer, time during which they will still have a massive fan base but much lower outgoings in wages. Putting them in the bottom tier could actually be the best option for them. Two years extra schadenfreude or genuine change forced through for the long term good of our game? That's the choice that may have to be made.Quote:
Originally Posted by Desperate Dan
Yes .. but the rumour is more that they have been informally told it is on.Quote:
Originally Posted by marinello59
Your dislike of the Dees counts for nothing :wink: The fixtures can be re-done.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Story So Far...
Jim Spence on Beeb Radio:
Dons to vote NO!!
:flag::flag::flag:
The third confirmed club voting "no" is Aberdeen.
From BBC Radio Scotland.
The other no is ... EBERDEEN .. just been on the Beeb :thumbsup:
Spence says "Aberdeen" to vote NO.. :wink:
Excellent news then. A trip to Dens. :thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by TQM
so by the end of day it could all be over:greengrin
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Originally Posted by marinello59
Not so sure about that, after all the twists & turn it could still go belly-up!!
My opinion on the unlikelihood of it being Dundee and my dislike for them aren't linked.Quote:
Originally Posted by TQM
The point is that the SPL have in the past set a precedent by saving clubs from relegation rather than rewarding second place in the First Division.
I find it quite laughable that you've been very cheerily vocal on the demise of Rangers, yet give your support/backing (call it what you will) to a club who have shafted many small businesses and employees across the Tayside region :confused:
I dinnae disagree that change is needed, I disagree with it being done tae save cheats from their proper fate and just desserts. Put them in the bottom division then change it if they still want tae dae it for any other reason than tae save the huns. Would there be any talk of change if it wisnae them? As I said, I doubt it.Quote:
Originally Posted by marinello59
Its well on its way...who's next
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3 teams have indicated they will vote against them and all from east of scotland
I think Rod's waiting for the next club to come out so he can be the 5th nail in the coffin, and send Sevco to the 3rd division.:cbQuote:
Originally Posted by down-the-slope
This was always going to rip the SPL apart. There was no avoiding it. Rangers and their apologists incl their media buddies expect everyone else to sell their sporting integrity, throw away fair competition and accept (formally) that the OF are immune from the normal rules of competition. No apology, no humility, legal action against the SFA, arrogance of spending more money, walking away from huge debts with no conscience. Is it any wonder why fans of other clubs who have pumped money into their clubs over the last 15 years want them punished PROPERLY ? Not the slap on the wrist that Rangers want but a fair and proportionate punishment. Demotion to the 3rd div FEELS about right. For NewCo to be out of the SPL for just 1 year FEELS too lenient, given the level of their cheating and lack of remorse.Quote:
Originally Posted by BOVRIL
I expect more revelations to come out of this affair, once BDO and the BBC get stuck into it, maybe to th point where we all think starting at the 3rd Div was a complete let off for NewCo.
I think we might hear something from Hibs today.
Putting a statement out there seems pretty safe now and it might just tempt a few fans to put their hands in their pockets and buy a season ticket.
Also I see on Rangers media the real cause of all this has been revealed:
Wim Jansen. If he didn't stop 10 in a row then Murray would never have been so reckless apparently.
That point should be now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Onion
Hibs to email fans on newco issue shortly.....this is it wish I knew would have taken the day off work
Apparently -
BBC also reporting that Hibs will be emailing fans on newco issue shortly.
Yip, don't see how they can get into the SFL anyway. Have they ever played a game? Do they have any players? A ground? Can they demonstrate they have their finances in order?Quote:
Originally Posted by reallapsedhibee
The last thing the SFL needs is a club going bust halfway through the season. Spartans are a far safer bet.
@ScotFootBlog: BBC also reporting that Hibs will be emailing fans on newco issue shortly.
Should have done this to begin with #amatuer
People have already investigated this and it will be Dundee I believeQuote:
Originally Posted by The Story So Far...
Hear what you're saying about the irony though...
Not that amateur maybeQuote:
Originally Posted by Matty_Jack04
Just needs a gander at the forums to get a good idea if what well over 10 000 Hibs fans want
Hibs made it clear early doors that theyre taking a similar position to fans
Just in comparison with the new statements it seems less unequivocal
It might be ironic, but they have been punished. All i want is the rules to be applied as they should.Quote:
Originally Posted by joe breezy
Once the huns are out, we can then get a new set of rules set up, that makes things a lot fairer for EVERYONE, and close all the loopholes that those clubs who dont run their clubs in a fit and proper way can hide behind.
This could be the week that save Scottish football.
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Originally Posted by bawheid
Cove Rangers, Spartans = proper football clubs
Sevco 5088 = spiv's wet dream
No case whatsoever for favouring the latter over the former
Absolutely. Given what they have said publicly and in emails to fans, I would be astonished if Hibs were to vote YES. In fact, it would be almost an invitation to mutiny.Quote:
Originally Posted by joe breezy
Amateurs spell as amateur as amatuer :wink:Quote:
Originally Posted by Matty_Jack04
can they not just have a preemptive vote against hertz at the same time, and vote them oot tae :dunno:
Fair enough but is it not a pointless exercise as it has already been made abundantly clear that 99.9% of us say no. Are these public statements an attempt by the managements of clubs to lessen any long-term conflict with the management of Rangers by hiding behind the wishes of their supporters?Quote:
Originally Posted by Matty_Jack04
Money and crowds is the reason. One the flip side, the SFL will have run due diligence on how they will finance and control the Sevco hoards defending on ramshackled grounds every 2nd week. Wouldn't it be great if the police came out and blocked this on the basis of public safety :greengrinQuote:
Originally Posted by reallapsedhibee
All they need to do is view the poll results from the thread on this messageboard to gauge our opinion.Quote:
Originally Posted by CallumLaidlaw
Over 99% of the voters said no to a NewCo. That would save them the bother.
It doesn't say they are consulting with fans, just that they will be emailing them. I suspect Hibs might be about to explain that (because of the overwhelming call from fans, and the club's own views on sporting integrity) that they will be voting NO on 4th July.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jim44
It would be right for Hibs to let the fans know before the media... but let's see.
I assume they will just be saying something as opposed to asking - otherwise it seems a bit of pointlessly manual task.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sergey
believe its all to do with the exposure the club gets in the mediaQuote:
Originally Posted by Onion
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Originally Posted by Andy74
The Club reps said last wed that they were clear on fan views...they fill up email boxes daily...and the club view MB's etc....
I'm sure in light of recent announcement Journo's will be calling every club and asking...what are you going to do so expect more press takes on those answers as day goes on...
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Originally Posted by Onion
The Old Firm played Scottish Cup ties at Arbroath and Peterhead earlier this year and the lights continued to work in these towns.
I think it will be great business for the small clubs of SFL 2 and 3 to get the publicity and decent gates a couple of times at least.
The Huns should look on it as Community Service for crimes committed against football. :agree:
Can't believe they are saying that Hearts were the first to break rank!Quote:
Originally Posted by TQM
Rod was clear from day one that we'd be making our vote based on "sporting integrity" (a clear NO vote). Aberdeen and their support, without actually saying NO, were pretty clear as to which route they'd be taking. Dundee United issued a strong statement last week that they were taking heed of their support and forming a NO vote. I would say that Hearts were more like 3rd or 4th in line when it came to issuing their NO statement.
The players contract negotiations should be fun, if a couple more 'No' votes appear.
Aye but Vlad's rants are always such top quality entertainment. I'll actually kind of miss him when he's gone... :greengrinQuote:
Originally Posted by StevieC
They did actually come out and say it though.Quote:
Originally Posted by StevieC
I thought they would all be under a duty to say the right things but not reveal how they were planning to vote which is probably the view Hibs were taking.
Hearts though were firsr to actually say how they would be using their vote. It does seem to have encouraged this to come to a head early on and so that's good.
Some hun:
brainless twits all yous fans of football want to see the Scottish game die yous are going the right way about it cowards we have kept your teams going for years now the knifes are out to stab us in the back!!!
Yup, and there's plenty people willing to hold the handles.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andy74
Do you think this lot are ever going to man up and take their punishment instead of blaming everyone else? Answers on a postcard......
Glad Greene went on the charm offensive last week. Looks like he has managed to pee off all the club chairman enough to make them vote before the actual vote takes place. Looks like a really good match for the old Rangers supporters. Comes across as a Horrible, arrogant man.
Seems an awful waste of a postcard for a 2 letter word :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by Barney McGrew
Oh i like that one can we keep him?Quote:
Originally Posted by Andy74
Don't need a postcard...................NOQuote:
Originally Posted by Barney McGrew
Yeah it has not really done him any favours. He has been bullish since he arrived on the scene and tried to dictate how things would go, I dont think he realised the depth of feeling amongst non-sevco fans about this.Quote:
Originally Posted by PatHead
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Originally Posted by BarneyK
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I would have thought that Kilmarnock have nowhere near the debt to turnover ratio of Hearts!Quote:
Originally Posted by down-the-slope
It would be great if the club made an official press release confirming its NO To Newco this afternoon please.
TUPE law is quite clear they can already walk, irrespective of what Green suggests or how the Sevco vote goes.............Quote:
Originally Posted by Newry Hibs
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Originally Posted by jgl07
Yeah, but since they owe to themselves the Yams are also the richest club in Scottish Football. :greengrin
They have £9.5 million debt IIRC where Hearts have swapped it for equity etc till no one really knows true picture. Also big difference is Killie own to a UK bank not like Hearts who's owner holds the debt in effectQuote:
Originally Posted by jgl07
Along with "oh and by the way, we've signed James McPake". Would be a great press release :-)Quote:
Originally Posted by Famous5forever
I am slightly moist.Quote:
Originally Posted by CallumLaidlaw
I was thinking of how Green and Sally would try and sell staying at the club with the promise of trips to East Stirling and the like.Quote:
Originally Posted by whiskyhibby
They will always have a big fanbase and always generate more money. As soon as they get back to the SPL it will be a two horse race again. If they manage to save some cash and come back stronger then it's only really going to be Celtic that it affects. However, especially if Green stays in charge, I suspect that any extra cash that they bring in during this time will end up in the pockets of the "investors".Quote:
Originally Posted by marinello59
In the meantime though, we have an opportunity to shake up the league, distribute wealth more evenly and generally have a bit of fun while they're away.
Division 3 is fine. :aok:
Why would McCoist stay?Quote:
Originally Posted by Newry Hibs
I think when Sally McMoist and the players meet Green next week there's going to be a lot of walking away.Quote:
Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod
TBH, it wouldn't surprise me to see McCoist walk as well. I'm sure he would get a decent gig in the media for more money and half the hassle.Quote:
Originally Posted by green glory
Because no one in Blue ever does walking away?? :greengrinQuote:
Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod
I think you're right - he would go and most of the other saleable ones. It's just he is manager at the moment (of what I'm not sure), so I guess he has a duty to his players (if indeed he has any).
Would be funny to hear the opening lines .... 'So Allan come in. Have a seat .....'
[QUOTE=Andy74;3271419]Some hun:
brainless twits all yous fans of football want to see the Scottish game die yous are going the right way about it cowards we have kept your teams going for years now the knifes are out to stab us in the back!!![/QUOTE]
Yes, as JC succintly put it "Et tu Brute, and HMFC, DUFC,AFC and .................................................. ......................"
:greengrin
In the same token, Dundee did not win promotion so THAT should stand.Quote:
Originally Posted by marinello59
Kind of agree with the other posters point re Dundee and being in administration twice.
Dunfy to stay up for me.
They actually published their statement months ago but it took a team of experts several readings to work out wtf he was talking about.Quote:
Originally Posted by StevieC