Generic Sevco / Rangers meltdown thread

[StevieC]

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The no votes will continue - http://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/scot...nst-newco.html

Can't believe they are saying that Hearts were the first to break rank!
Rod was clear from day one that we'd be making our vote based on "sporting integrity" (a clear NO vote). Aberdeen and their support, without actually saying NO, were pretty clear as to which route they'd be taking. Dundee United issued a strong statement last week that they were taking heed of their support and forming a NO vote. I would say that Hearts were more like 3rd or 4th in line when it came to issuing their NO statement.

[Newry Hibs]

The players contract negotiations should be fun, if a couple more 'No' votes appear.

[BarneyK]

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Can't believe they are saying that Hearts were the first to break rank!
Rod was clear from day one that we'd be making our vote based on "sporting integrity" (a clear NO vote). Aberdeen and their support, without actually saying NO, were pretty clear as to which route they'd be taking. Dundee United issued a strong statement last week that they were taking heed of their support and forming a NO vote. I would say that Hearts were more like 3rd or 4th in line when it came to issuing their NO statement.

Aye but Vlad's rants are always such top quality entertainment. I'll actually kind of miss him when he's gone...

[Andy74]

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Can't believe they are saying that Hearts were the first to break rank!
Rod was clear from day one that we'd be making our vote based on "sporting integrity" (a clear NO vote). Aberdeen and their support, without actually saying NO, were pretty clear as to which route they'd be taking. Dundee United issued a strong statement last week that they were taking heed of their support and forming a NO vote. I would say that Hearts were more like 3rd or 4th in line when it came to issuing their NO statement.

They did actually come out and say it though.

I thought they would all be under a duty to say the right things but not reveal how they were planning to vote which is probably the view Hibs were taking.

Hearts though were firsr to actually say how they would be using their vote. It does seem to have encouraged this to come to a head early on and so that's good.

[Andy74]

Some hun:

brainless twits all yous fans of football want to see the Scottish game die yous are going the right way about it cowards we have kept your teams going for years now the knifes are out to stab us in the back!!!

[Barney McGrew]

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now the knifes are out to stab us in the back!!!

Yup, and there's plenty people willing to hold the handles.

Do you think this lot are ever going to man up and take their punishment instead of blaming everyone else? Answers on a postcard......

[PatHead]

Glad Greene went on the charm offensive last week. Looks like he has managed to pee off all the club chairman enough to make them vote before the actual vote takes place. Looks like a really good match for the old Rangers supporters. Comes across as a Horrible, arrogant man.

[Sylar]

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Yup, and there's plenty people willing to hold the handles.

Do you think this lot are ever going to man up and take their punishment instead of blaming everyone else? Answers on a postcard......

Seems an awful waste of a postcard for a 2 letter word

[stokesmessiah]

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Some hun:

brainless twits all yous fans of football want to see the Scottish game die yous are going the right way about it cowards we have kept your teams going for years now the knifes are out to stab us in the back!!!

Oh i like that one can we keep him?

[PatHead]

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Yup, and there's plenty people willing to hold the handles.

Do you think this lot are ever going to man up and take their punishment instead of blaming everyone else? Answers on a postcard......

Don't need a postcard...................NO

[stokesmessiah]

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Glad Greene went on the charm offensive last week. Looks like he has managed to pee off all the club chairman enough to make them vote before the actual vote takes place. Looks like a really good match for the old Rangers supporters. Comes across as a Horrible, arrogant man.

Yeah it has not really done him any favours. He has been bullish since he arrived on the scene and tried to dictate how things would go, I dont think he realised the depth of feeling amongst non-sevco fans about this.

[oxymoron]

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Aye but Vlad's rants are always such top quality entertainment. I'll actually kind of miss him when he's gone...

[jgl07]

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They have the highest debt to turn over ratio in SPL - the bank will be getting jittery with all this

I would have thought that Kilmarnock have nowhere near the debt to turnover ratio of Hearts!

[Famous5forever]

It would be great if the club made an official press release confirming its NO To Newco this afternoon please.

[whiskyhibby]

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The players contract negotiations should be fun, if a couple more 'No' votes appear.

TUPE law is quite clear they can already walk, irrespective of what Green suggests or how the Sevco vote goes.............

[greenginger]

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I would have thought that Kilmarnock have nowhere near the debt to turnover ratio of Hearts!

Yeah, but since they owe to themselves the Yams are also the richest club in Scottish Football.

[down-the-slope]

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I would have thought that Kilmarnock have nowhere near the debt to turnover ratio of Hearts!

They have £9.5 million debt IIRC where Hearts have swapped it for equity etc till no one really knows true picture. Also big difference is Killie own to a UK bank not like Hearts who's owner holds the debt in effect

[CallumLaidlaw]

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It would be great if the club made an official press release confirming its NO To Newco this afternoon please.

Along with "oh and by the way, we've signed James McPake". Would be a great press release :-)

[stokesmessiah]

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Along with "oh and by the way, we've signed James McPake". Would be a great press release :-)

I am slightly moist.

[Newry Hibs]

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TUPE law is quite clear they can already walk, irrespective of what Green suggests or how the Sevco vote goes.............

I was thinking of how Green and Sally would try and sell staying at the club with the promise of trips to East Stirling and the like.

[StevieC]

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The game has needed change for years. The fact its an Old Firm team in the cr@p means that the other clubs are in a position of strength for once. That's would not be a fudge, that would be using that advantage to gain genuine benefits for the good of the whole game. I want to see them in the bottom division but all that will mean is that their inevitable march back to the top flight takes them two years longer, time during which they will still have a massive fan base but much lower outgoings in wages. Putting them in the bottom tier could actually be the best option for them. Two years extra schadenfreude or genuine change forced through for the long term good of our game? That's the choice that may have to be made.

They will always have a big fanbase and always generate more money. As soon as they get back to the SPL it will be a two horse race again. If they manage to save some cash and come back stronger then it's only really going to be Celtic that it affects. However, especially if Green stays in charge, I suspect that any extra cash that they bring in during this time will end up in the pockets of the "investors".

In the meantime though, we have an opportunity to shake up the league, distribute wealth more evenly and generally have a bit of fun while they're away.

Division 3 is fine.

[CropleyWasGod]

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I was thinking of how Green and Sally would try and sell staying at the club with the promise of trips to East Stirling and the like.

Why would McCoist stay?

[green glory]

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Why would McCoist stay?

I think when Sally McMoist and the players meet Green next week there's going to be a lot of walking away.

[CropleyWasGod]

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I think when Sally McMoist and the players meet Green next week there's going to be a lot of walking away.

TBH, it wouldn't surprise me to see McCoist walk as well. I'm sure he would get a decent gig in the media for more money and half the hassle.

[Newry Hibs]

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Why would McCoist stay?

Because no one in Blue ever does walking away??

I think you're right - he would go and most of the other saleable ones. It's just he is manager at the moment (of what I'm not sure), so I guess he has a duty to his players (if indeed he has any).

Would be funny to hear the opening lines .... 'So Allan come in. Have a seat .....'

[Tynie01011973]

[QUOTE=Andy74;3271419]Some hun:

brainless twits all yous fans of football want to see the Scottish game die yous are going the right way about it cowards we have kept your teams going for years now the knifes are out to stab us in the back!!![/QUOTE]

Yes, as JC succintly put it "Et tu Brute, and HMFC, DUFC,AFC and .................................................. ......................"

[MB62]

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Surely Dundee were always going to be promoted if/when Rangers get turfed out of the SPL? That was my understanding of the rules, Dunfermline were relegated and that has to stand.

In the same token, Dundee did not win promotion so THAT should stand.

Kind of agree with the other posters point re Dundee and being in administration twice.

Dunfy to stay up for me.

[Geo_1875]

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Can't believe they are saying that Hearts were the first to break rank!
Rod was clear from day one that we'd be making our vote based on "sporting integrity" (a clear NO vote). Aberdeen and their support, without actually saying NO, were pretty clear as to which route they'd be taking. Dundee United issued a strong statement last week that they were taking heed of their support and forming a NO vote. I would say that Hearts were more like 3rd or 4th in line when it came to issuing their NO statement.

They actually published their statement months ago but it took a team of experts several readings to work out wtf he was talking about.

[Andy74]

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In the same token, Dundee did not win promotion so THAT should stand.

Kind of agree with the other posters point re Dundee and being in administration twice.

Dunfy to stay up for me.

It's always going to difficult to say whether the team who has proven that they lost their place or the one that didn't quite reach the automatic right to get the invite should win out.

However, the rules are currently that Dundee would get the invite.

If a team had gone bust during the season then Dunfermline would have stayed up.

[Sylar]

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It's always going to difficult to say whether the team who has proven that they lost their place or the one that didn't quite reach the automatic right to get the invite should win out.

However, the rules are currently that Dundee would get the invite.

If a team had gone bust during the season then Dunfermline would have stayed up.

Is there an actual rule you can link me to, be it part of the SPL rulebook or a news article?

Not being bitchy with the above, but I've see nothing which suggests this myself and I'd be curious to read said rule.

I'd also be interested to read when any such rule was implemented, as it certainly never used to be the case.