:agree:makes complete sense. Any else is suicide for the clubs that vote for the Newco.
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The problem with believing that though is that you are basically agreeing with the Celtic hordes that have bleated on about perceived injustices against them for decades.
What you're saying may be true of a couple of journos from the Record or Sun, but overall I think the coverage has been relatively fair. It's only natural that they report on the loudest voices and those are all coming from Rangers mouthpieces.
If Peter Lawell was screaming from the rooftops for Rangers to be booted to div 3 then the reporting in the Record from Traynor etc would be entirely different.
Don't forget the length of time they sat on this story, never mind Craigy Whyte's off the radar billions, the never, ever question just where Murray got his cash from to fund a decade of insane spending. Even the coverage of the admin process, sticking to the party line about whichever bidder, about how the CVA would pass, attacking anyone who dared suggest they deserve to go to SFL3 and start again. Yes, the Celtic fans go way over the top with their paranoia, but like most paranoia it stems from reality. If the last few months have taught us anything, it's that the system in this country will bend over backwards for Rangers.
There have been a couple journos who have tried to report this story as actual journalists; step on down Alex Thomson and Mark Daly. What investigative journalism have the Chick Young's and Jim Traynor's done? Men who seemed to have no shortage of sources or exclusives on Rangers during the good times suddenly fell silent. I remember Traynor cutting calls on his Sportsound phone in if they dared suggest Murray had any responsibility for the clubs current state.
We don't have a free and effective press in this country, certainly when it comes to sport. They have as large a role in this mess as anyone outwith Murray, Whyte and their cronies. An effective, functioning press would have been asking the proper questions years ago that would have stopped this from getting to this stage! Guess they were all too busy feasting on the succulent lamb :wink:
Rangers trying to buy Bury and take their place in England...
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/footba...sh-club-904611
Bury is just outside Manchester. I'm sure the Huns will be welcomed back to that neighbourhood.
Web site up and running already, looks like this story has legs
http://www.buryrangers.co.uk/
Arf
All for that, the sooner the better. :agree:
Are Young and Traynor meant to be investigative journoulists though? I thought they were just football hacks that report on games :confused:
It bugs me how much importance people seem to give to the likes of them though.They are nothing. They have got no influence over anybody of any substance in the Scottish game.
Yes the increased travel costs, accommodation and general hassle of getting from Glasgow to Bournemouth, Crawley and Yeovil etc are so much easier than those long haul journeys to take on Clyde or Queens Park. Not to mention that Green will have to raise CASH to BUY Bury.
Jeez-O, this Green guy is making Whyte, Murray and Co look like real astute business types!!
TH
More press bull**** stories to get SPL to buckle and submit to the establishment world order. Pathetic.
Well rightly or wrongly they are the most prominent, or among the most prominent commentators on the Scottish game. When the press turn to these Rangers PR mouthpieces instead of their business or other, more capable journalists to report this story, then yes, they are a factor.
Right on que, grade A, prize winning bull****.
No facts, no quotes, no ******* chance. Ignoring that the Football League has already said they aren't and never will be welcome, ignoring that the authorities have said previously they'd never allow another situation remotely like MK Dons and that they have done about as much as possible to **** off FIFA and UEFA and this bring us to the conclusion that either A. These journalists are utter morons. B. They are deliberately printing crap to keep the Rangers fans buying papers.
The media should be reporting the truth of the situation, not constantly playing down their crimes, making up fake billionaire buyers, impossible escape routes and all the other torrents of crap they've been pushing for months now!
To paraphrase Shakespeare:
Friends, Huns, fellow loyalists, lend me your ears;
I come to Bury Rangers, not to praise them.
The evil that huns do lives after them;
Yet Craig Whyte says he was ambitious;
And, sure, he is an dishonourable man.
I speak not to disprove what Charles Green spoke,
But here I am to speak what I do know.
Drivel.
How often have they got to be told that all games in Scotland come under the jurisdiction of the SFA?
They would have to say no.
How often have they got to be told that all games in England come under the jurisdiction of the FA?
They have said no every time they have been asked by whoever cared to ask them.
Just something left over from April 1st.
:agree:
Thing is, I don't remember how the whole story broke in the first place? Was it HMRC announcing the BTC or something? Did Keith Jackson have anything to do with it?
I'm just wondering why it was left to football journos and not business / finance correspondants? Was it just a case that nobody new there was a story to be found?
I mean, did anyone suspect there were the dual payments going on 5 or 10 years ago? Do we think that some in the media have know about it for years and said nothing, and they are only reporting it now since it all came out during the admin process?
I'm pretty sure that most of this was new news when the extent of the debts were revealed by D&P and the EBT payments by Newsnight. The media seemed genuinely shocked by what was revealed so I would doubt that parts of the press had been sitting on it for years.
I have no idea though. There's way too many issues to try and follow!!
Correct!
BBC Scotland continues to go to that erse "Chris McLaughlin Senior Football Reporter" whenever some new financial aspect crops up.
I'm sure they have far better qualified people on their staff than him to report on such stories.
Traynor has presented a couple of t.v.shows, and is a regular on Sportsound, where he's to be found with Chick and B. Dodds et al spouting absolute nonsense and still not decrying Minty Moonbeam Murray's part in all this.
The only reporter who's tried to cover this story from a Scottish Football perspective is Jim Spence.
A message for Rangers Fans
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...;v=NRVaLs4cBlg
As it says in the title
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage...eague-One.html
Not even sure this is possible - can anyone confirm?
So a dirty conniving club rotten to the very core, and I stand by my statement if it is not true. Why should Bury fans be sold out because Rangers are the biggest cheats in British football history? I hope now UEFA or FIFA step in and bury this sad sorry club once and for all.
surely this is good news? - good riddance to the stuff stuck on our shoes
Far rather they were in the third division than destroying a club. How would you feel if your club went under because another one had cheated the tax man and gone into admin? Lets remember that Bury has supporters like us who have emotional ties to their club - it would be morally wrong to back this move even if it meant we were shot of Rangers.
Let them go.
Exactly, we have to just hope that such a move is blocked by the relevant authorities to protect the integrity of both English and Scottish football. Bury are a club, with a history and a fan base just like us, just like Hearts, Queens Park and almost every other team, bar The Rangers FC 2012 of course. Hopefully we punt them to the 3rd Division and hopefully they don't in turn try to kill another club because they could not pay their taxes and cheated their way to success and in return were burdened with debt.
Bury - How abso******lutely appropriate.:greengrin
Sabre rattling pish ..hammer us & we leave ..go easy on us & we stay because Scottish football needs us ..blah blah blah ..:blah:
It would be the perfect solution though. We wouldn't have to listen to any more of their jabbering pish because they wouldn't be in Scottish football anymore. I'd love to stand at the border and count how many of the 'loyal follow followers' make the long trip to the away games and vice versa how many English fans would make the trip north to the Royal'n'Loyal Burgh of Queen's Govan. Not many I think.
Think the RangersTaxCase blog was up and running for about a year before Young or Traynor ever mentioned the Huns' finances. And when they did it was not to present facts but to promote the Huns' cause. They're either 'just match reporters' or they're not. The relentless stream of PR pish which has come from them this year clearly indicates they're not just match reporters - whatever else they are they've failed at it, miserably.
Rangers buying Bury and playing in league 1:faf::faf::faf: leave it out, what a load of pesh, it will never happen. Huns grasping at straws, poor poor Huns, it's cr@p like this that makes footy fans hate them even more:violin:
Hilarious. Talk about scaremongering, do it our way or we leave!! Our source said they are thinking about it. Article then goes on to say they don't know if it's even possible... Absolute pish. This has obviously been put out by Greens ppl and it is a twofold release in that 1) it attempts to put pressure on Spl chairmen to do as they say and 2) the Orc hordes will.be curling one out and start buying in to Chas Green!!!
DAILY RANTIC TODAY
They have an exclusive dossier on how to save Scottish Football
One of the four measures headlined is.....
GLASGOW CUP TO BE REVIVED :faf::faf::faf:
Well thank **** for that :agree: we can all sleep peacefully now that if that proposition goes through Scottish Footy is saved :rockin:
Not going to read the rag, but what's the format for the Glasgow Cup? Is it two teams, one round, with no extra time or penalties, and compliant referees, so that it would be theoretically possible to have four matches between those teams, all of which could be televised? :faf:
Fairly humorous and perhaps the only piece that's actually questioned Wally's motives;
Tom English: ‘Walter’s Agony’? What about agony of the fans
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By TOM ENGLISH
Published on Thursday 21 June 2012 00:00
THIS Rangers story can sometimes feel like a Hollywood B movie, such is the bonkers nature of the plot.
There was one of these things on television recently, the Creeping Terror it was called (otherwise known as the Crawling Monster), a horror that came out in the 1960s in which a giant slug terrorises an American town after escaping from a crashed space ship. Frankly, after five months covering the outrageous twists and turns in the fall of Rangers the notion of some killer alien mollusc doesn’t seem so ludicrous any more. Nothing does. Even the loopy directors who made those crappy horror films would struggle to do justice to Rangers: The Movie. As the saying goes, truth is stranger than fiction.
Yesterday evening saw another development, the entrance into this great drama of Allan Bulloch, a Glasgow businessman who was once disqualified in the 1990s from being a company director for seven years and who was then declared bankrupt (twice) before re-inventing himself as Allan Stewart under which name he is said to be preparing an £11 million bid to buy Rangers along with his partner in their property developing firm, Stephen McKenna. Social networking went insane at the news. In a heartbeat their history was unveiled and it didn’t look good. HMRC once went after the pair of them for an unpaid tax bill of £78,000 and eventually wound up their company. Deja vu.
Here was the thing, though. Here was the equivalent of the alien slug in the crashed space ship. The surreal ‘You cannot be f****** serious!’ element was not so much their colourful past (Rangers people are almost unshockable about such things these days) but the suspicion that McKenna is, wait for it, a suspected Celtic fan! Could it be true? ‘Rangers sold to one of THEM!’ The Kafkaesqe nightmare would be complete at that point.
Is there any substance to these guys? You could do worse than assume a default position of presuming everyone who says they want to save Rangers is a bluffer. Stewart and McKenna, we are told, are about to drop out of the sky with £11m. Yeah, whatever. Only a few days ago most of the Rangers support believed that Walter Smith was poised to ride to the rescue backed up the fortunes of Jim McColl and Douglas Park and look how that turned out. Last Thursday, Smith issued a statement that said in its opening paragraph “I am leading a new bid for Rangers Football Club” but his leadership didn’t extend to cutting short his holiday to come back to Glasgow to do some face-to-face talking with the people who mattered.
Neither, of course, did it amount to much of a bid. Smith and McColl spoke of the necessity of getting the club out of Green’s hands and into the bosom of Rangers people who would stabilise it and then nurse it back to health. Clearly their fear was that Green would wreak even further damage on the beleaguered institution. So, their motives were pure, but where was their money? A bid of £6m was never going to cut it. You expected them to go higher, but they didn’t. They retreated. It was feeble stuff.
Those who can see no wrong in Smith are banking on his consortium returning if Green’s group doesn’t have the finance to keep the club going. They see it as a tactic rather than a piece of time-wasting worthy of some of the other time-wasters who have been involved in this story in the past. It was amusing to read of “Walter’s Agony” on Wednesday. What about the agony of the Rangers fans who believed that his group would do what needed to be done in order to get the club out of Green’s hands? Indeed, what about Smith’s mate who broke down in tears on the telephone? That, we were told, was the catalyst for the great man to try and save the club. McColl and Park have several fortunes between them but obviously not the interest to part with enough millions to back up their fighting talk with action. Maybe they’ll come again. That’s a straw that all Bears will be clutching right now.
In the meantime there is Green and a lengthy list of questions about who, precisely, is in his consortium and how much money they have. Oh yes, and the triple whammy of potential knockout blows, the 4 July SPL vote, the double contracts iceberg and Lord Carloway’s revised verdict on the sins of the Whyte era. Throw in the state of flux with the playing squad, the uncertain future of Ally McCoist, the disappointment of Smith’s apparently stomach-less consortium, the berating they’re getting from Celtic supporters as a club with no name and now the appearance of a potential new bidder with more baggage than a travelling orchestra and you begin to feel the pain of the Rangers fan in the street.
Walter’s Agony? Frankly, I could think of an awful lot of people more deserving of sympathy than the former Rangers manager.
Good old Roddy sounding upbeat about his latest exclusive which allegedly sees Sevco5088 admitted to SPL and immediately relegated to 1st division. Don't see how that would work but he says this is the club chairmens' preferred route and "placates" fans. Once again no justice in Scottish football if this happens.
This is a photo of Steve McKenna, one of the latest two prospective suitors :greengrin
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Just noticed on the BBC. web site that the huns are rumoured to be interested in buying English League 2 club Bury to get a foothold in the English League.
What a ******' pantomime, my friends you just could NOT make this up, what's the odds on a 500 page thread !!!
Allez les Verts. !!
Surely Rangers wont leave us in the lurch and move to Bury, they have been telling us Scottish football couldn't do without them? :lolrangers::fibber:
I'm confused? :confused:
If the story about Green trying to buy Bury and move Rangers to the English Div 1 are true, Rangers have committed suicide as far as Scotland is concerned.
Who on earth would vote to have them in the SPL in the full knowledge that they are preparing to walk away from the Scottish game?
Just watched the news with breakfast, can anyone tell me when Jimmy Carr played for rfc? Can't remember it myself but his tax arrangements sound very David Murray!
I heard that. He has been consistently wrong until now, though.
The thing that annoyed me most about it was the suggestion that Sevco can't be relegated to the 3rd, because of the various infrastructural problems they would cause. They seem to miss the point that what we want to hear is that they will be treated the same way as any other club would, not as a special case. That is what would 'placate' fans.
Anyone else thinking of the film "Weekend at Bernies" when reading all this guff in the papers?
Main character is plainly dead but everyone else appears oblivious to the fact....
Aye, from listening to the Jimmy Carr news story on BBC Scotland this morning it does sound very similar, right down to the payment being a repayable loan that doesn't need to be repaid. Curiously it seems to be acknowledged as 100% legal according to that report, simply morally dubious.
I'm confused, I thought Rangers died as they had no money so couldn't pay their debts. All that was in the pot from the New Club was 5.5m to cover Duff and Duffers bills, so all the creditors would get hee-haw if they knocked back the CVA. How come they've now got spare cash to buy their way into the English league by killing an English league team, which is in a better state than them. Either they've got cash or they haven't. The nonsense coming from Greyskull is astounding.
NewHun isn't really off the ground yet and I already hate them as much as I hated the old one.
Has anyone had a look on a Bury Messageboard to see how excited they are getting?
From what the beeb is now reporting it seems like the idea is now to transfer Rangers's share to Sevco and then retrospectively dock 'Rangers' however many points needed to finish below Dunfermline in 2011/12.
That way the Pars stay up and the Huns go down.
Not sure how Dundee might react (or whether retrospective punishment of a new entity is legal).
That cannot work as the points would have to have been deducted pre-split.
After the split the top six remain the top six regardless of how many point teams in the bottom six gain. Rangers could argue that they would have gained more points post-split had they been in the bottom six.
The simple way for the SPL to deal with it is for the point docking for last Season to relegate Rangers at the end of last Season in the normal way to SFL 1 and Dunfemline avoids the drop. Liquidated Rangers 1872 would have no SPL share to transfer to any new club.
The SFL can then decide if they want New Rangers to be in Div 1,2 or 3 or even at all.
This is surreal. How the **** can ye deduct points, retrospectively or otherwise, from a team that has never played a game. SevCo 5088 were never part of the SPL so dont have points to lose. We are after all, continually being told by the Cheats and their fans that they are now a new club. The depths to which the games authorities will now sink in order to try and rescue this despicable club are truly sickening.
disguisting how many times their goin to bend over so the huns get away with it as lightly as possible. hopefully this new plan comes undone again, im geting sick of it tho. kill the ***** off
Surely the English FA would have a right to turn around and stick two fingers up to any move by Rangers to buy a lower league English club and insert themselves into their place?
How many times do England need to say "no" before it sinks in?
I heard that all Rangers games involving dual contract players would be changed to a 3 0 defeat (for Rangers, even the SPL wouldn't fix things that obviously!) Rangers finish the season on minus 10 points and are relegated to SFL 1.
Rangers- seen to be punished severely, SPL- seen to be strong, Uefa- seen to be appeased, honour and justice- seen to be held up, club chairman- see their finances not too badly damaged, Sky- seen to not be interfering by insisting on Rangers out of SPL.
The only thing not seen is me at another Scottish Football match.
The FA have said before they would block any attempt at creating another MK Dons style situation, ie the renaming and moving of a club.
Added to the Football League saying they aren't welcome, and UEFA being steadfast against clubs trying to change leagues they have no chance.
Not that pesky details like that are a factor in cloud cuckoo land when Sevco live.
The Herald now reporting that PFA Scotland arent happy with the TUPE transfer of the players to a company that isnt a football club and that insufficient notice was given to the players. Also threatening to take legal action to the tune of £5M against Sevco for not following the rules.
Where is that popcorn smiley? This thread just never stops giving... :greengrin
Seems to like a huddle as well
http://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/scot...r-Rangers.html
Well it will run to over 1000 pages, that's for sure!
Sorry to go back about 300 pages but when Greene put in his offer he said it was conditional on Rangers playing in the same competitions. If Newco aren't invited into the SPL can he still pull out? (Remember he previously stated that some of the backers would not contribute if this was the case.) Also I assume the money has definately changed hands- can anyone confirm when Duff and Duffer confirmed this was the case? By the way really missing D & D with all their deadlines and *****
I wonder if the rest of the SFL1 would be happy having TRFC dumped on them? It would pretty much mean no-one gets a chance of promotion next year. Maybe they will sacrifice sporting integrity for the privilege of hosting their fans.
Anyone know if league gate receipts are split in the SFL?
There was a split in home income many many years ago if I recall correctly but this was done away with.
Cup games are split between the two teams after the SFA have taken a rake-off.
The split in the SPL is for commercial and TV income.
I would guess that there is much the same in the SFL for commercial income but this is tiny.
According to the CVA document, Green's purchase was conditional on Rangers being in all domestic competitions next season. But I also remember DandD saying that the offer was irrevocable. :confused:
Money? Changing hands? It'll be the first time in this saga since 14 February...
We are witnessing a leviathan in it's death throes.
As they are supposedly bidding for an English club, and I agree there is less than a cat in hell's chance of this being given the neccessary approval, is it fair to assume his meeting with Rod went well? Green must have gained a lot of hope for the future from his exchange.
Living in Glasgow, I have mates who support various teams cluding Thistle and if they are representaive, I'd say the feeling viz. the Hun is virtually identical to that expressed on this forum. Therefore I would venture to suggest, that many First Division fans will be to say the least less than ecstatic about any solution that would allow SEVCO entry into SFL via Division One and I wouldn't blame them. Frankly, it is more of the same treatment of non-Huns fans as being nothing but mere fodder for their amusement. And they've got the cheek to wonder why no-one likes them.