Generic Sevco / Rangers meltdown thread

***Hibs Class*** · 21-06-2012 09:46 AM

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Surely the English FA would have a right to turn around and stick two fingers up to any move by Rangers to buy a lower league English club and insert themselves into their place?

How many times do England need to say "no" before it sinks in?

Is it 5.5m?

***Sylar*** · 21-06-2012 09:47 AM

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The FA have said before they would block any attempt at creating another MK Dons style situation, ie the renaming and moving of a club.

Added to the Football League saying they aren't welcome, and UEFA being steadfast against clubs trying to change leagues they have no chance.

Not that pesky details like that are a factor in cloud cuckoo land when Sevco live.

To be fair, the source of the story here is the Sun (also being run in the Daily Mirror I guess) and they're not exactly known for their accurate/factual reporting.

"A source" who then goes on to speak about Rangers in the third person?

**PatHead** · 21-06-2012 10:12 AM

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hold on though, if they have been cheating for multiple years then that means multiple relegations surely??

Not saying it is right, disagree with that route entirely but a lot of chairman (including Dundee Utd) are deperate on a compromise

***alfie*** · 21-06-2012 10:19 AM

The Herald now reporting that PFA Scotland arent happy with the TUPE transfer of the players to a company that isnt a football club and that insufficient notice was given to the players. Also threatening to take legal action to the tune of £5M against Sevco for not following the rules.

Where is that popcorn smiley? This thread just never stops giving...

**cad** · 21-06-2012 10:48 AM

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This is a photo of Steve McKenna, one of the latest two prospective suitors

Attachment 8368

Seems to like a huddle as well

http://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/scot...r-Rangers.html

***Northernhibee*** · 21-06-2012 10:53 AM

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The Herald now reporting that PFA Scotland arent happy with the TUPE transfer of the players to a company that isnt a football club and that insufficient notice was given to the players. Also threatening to take legal action to the tune of £5M against Sevco for not following the rules.

Where is that popcorn smiley? This thread just never stops giving...

If this is good, imagine what the thread will be like when the yams go bust

***alfie*** · 21-06-2012 10:58 AM

Well it will run to over 1000 pages, that's for sure!

**ScottB** · 21-06-2012 11:00 AM

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hold on though, if they have been cheating for multiple years then that means multiple relegations surely??

Craig Whyte said he stopped all the EBT's when he took over, I've not seen anything that disagrees with that, so I can't see how their record for last season can be changed if that is the case.

**PatHead** · 21-06-2012 11:06 AM

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Craig Whyte said he stopped all the EBT's when he took over, I've not seen anything that disagrees with that, so I can't see how their record for last season can be changed if that is the case.

As EBTs came from Murray Group that would make sense. Don't know how they can relegate Rangers from a league they shouldn't have been in then? Surely puts paid to that particular get out and they will need another of Baldrick's cunning plans.

**The Harp Awakes** · 21-06-2012 11:07 AM

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Seems to like a huddle as well

http://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/scot...r-Rangers.html

You couldn't make it up

**~~Peevemor~~** · 21-06-2012 11:09 AM

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Craig Whyte said he stopped all the EBT's when he took over, I've not seen anything that disagrees with that, so I can't see how their record for last season can be changed if that is the case.

I can't remember who was on the BBC's list, but it's possible that some of last season's squad had signing on fees paid via the EBT. I don't know though.

**PatHead** · 21-06-2012 11:16 AM

Sorry to go back about 300 pages but when Greene put in his offer he said it was conditional on Rangers playing in the same competitions. If Newco aren't invited into the SPL can he still pull out? (Remember he previously stated that some of the backers would not contribute if this was the case.) Also I assume the money has definately changed hands- can anyone confirm when Duff and Duffer confirmed this was the case? By the way really missing D & D with all their deadlines and *****

***Newry Hibs*** · 21-06-2012 11:21 AM

I wonder if the rest of the SFL1 would be happy having TRFC dumped on them? It would pretty much mean no-one gets a chance of promotion next year. Maybe they will sacrifice sporting integrity for the privilege of hosting their fans.

Anyone know if league gate receipts are split in the SFL?

**jgl07** · 21-06-2012 11:31 AM

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I wonder if the rest of the SFL1 would be happy having TRFC dumped on them? It would pretty much mean no-one gets a chance of promotion next year. Maybe they will sacrifice sporting integrity for the privilege of hosting their fans.

Anyone know if league gate receipts are split in the SFL?

They are split 100% to the home team and 0% to the away team, surely.

***Newry Hibs*** · 21-06-2012 11:37 AM

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They are split 100% to the home team and 0% to the away team, surely.

Maybe I'm thinking of cup games then (or there used to be)? I thought there was some kind of split in the SPL.

**c31** · 21-06-2012 11:41 AM

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Seems to like a huddle as well

http://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/scot...r-Rangers.html

His dad use to work at the same place as me, big big celtic fan and also back in the day was Joe Bakers golfing buddy, stayed in Wishaw.

**jgl07** · 21-06-2012 11:44 AM

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Maybe I'm thinking of cup games then (or there used to be)? I thought there was some kind of split in the SPL.

There was a split in home income many many years ago if I recall correctly but this was done away with.

Cup games are split between the two teams after the SFA have taken a rake-off.

The split in the SPL is for commercial and TV income.

I would guess that there is much the same in the SFL for commercial income but this is tiny.

***CropleyWasGod*** · 21-06-2012 11:46 AM

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Sorry to go back about 300 pages but when Greene put in his offer he said it was conditional on Rangers playing in the same competitions. If Newco aren't invited into the SPL can he still pull out? (Remember he previously stated that some of the backers would not contribute if this was the case.) Also I assume the money has definately changed hands- can anyone confirm when Duff and Duffer confirmed this was the case? By the way really missing D & D with all their deadlines and *****

According to the CVA document, Green's purchase was conditional on Rangers being in all domestic competitions next season. But I also remember DandD saying that the offer was irrevocable.

Money? Changing hands? It'll be the first time in this saga since 14 February...

***Hibs Class*** · 21-06-2012 11:47 AM

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Craig Whyte said he stopped all the EBT's when he took over, I've not seen anything that disagrees with that, so I can't see how their record for last season can be changed if that is the case.

He may have stopped EBTs as a means of payment (which AFAIK is the tax issue) but there may have still been players who were on dual contracts which if not registered with SFA/SPL would be the footballing breach .

**The Falcon** · 21-06-2012 11:54 AM

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The FA have said before they would block any attempt at creating another MK Dons style situation, ie the renaming and moving of a club.

Added to the Football League saying they aren't welcome, and UEFA being steadfast against clubs trying to change leagues they have no chance.

Not that pesky details like that are a factor in cloud cuckoo land when Sevco live.

We are witnessing a leviathan in it's death throes.

As they are supposedly bidding for an English club, and I agree there is less than a cat in hell's chance of this being given the neccessary approval, is it fair to assume his meeting with Rod went well? Green must have gained a lot of hope for the future from his exchange.

***cabbageandribs1875*** · 21-06-2012 11:55 AM

Originally Posted by Peevemor

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I can't remember who was on the BBC's list, but it's possible that some of last season's squad had signing on fees paid via the EBT. I don't know though.

here
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotlan...-west-18148818

**calmac12000** · 21-06-2012 12:04 PM

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I wonder if the rest of the SFL1 would be happy having TRFC dumped on them? It would pretty much mean no-one gets a chance of promotion next year. Maybe they will sacrifice sporting integrity for the privilege of hosting their fans.

Anyone know if league gate receipts are split in the SFL?

Living in Glasgow, I have mates who support various teams cluding Thistle and if they are representaive, I'd say the feeling viz. the Hun is virtually identical to that expressed on this forum. Therefore I would venture to suggest, that many First Division fans will be to say the least less than ecstatic about any solution that would allow SEVCO entry into SFL via Division One and I wouldn't blame them. Frankly, it is more of the same treatment of non-Huns fans as being nothing but mere fodder for their amusement. And they've got the cheek to wonder why no-one likes them.

**WindyMiller** · 21-06-2012 12:13 PM

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I can't remember who was on the BBC's list, but it's possible that some of last season's squad had signing on fees paid via the EBT. I don't know though.

Steve Davis?

***EH6 Hibby*** · 21-06-2012 12:24 PM

Originally Posted by ScottB

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Craig Whyte said he stopped all the EBT's when he took over, I've not seen anything that disagrees with that, so I can't see how their record for last season can be changed if that is the case.

Rangers have been getting investigated about EBT's for quite a while, were they honestly continuing to pay employees even after they knew it was ilegal? Don't know why I'm surprised to be honest, their arrogance knows no bounds.

***Caversham Green*** · 21-06-2012 12:40 PM

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According to the CVA document, Green's purchase was conditional on Rangers being in all domestic competitions next season. But I also remember DandD saying that the offer was irrevocable.

Money? Changing hands? It'll be the first time in this saga since 14 February...

It was only the CVA offer that was conditional, when the CVA failed Sevcorandomnumbers was obliged to buy the assets of RFC.

***CropleyWasGod*** · 21-06-2012 12:41 PM

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It was only the CVA offer that was conditional, when the CVA failed Sevcorandomnumbers was obliged to buy the assets of RFC.

Which assets are these?

***Caversham Green*** · 21-06-2012 12:42 PM

Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod

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Which assets are these?

Nobody knows.

**WindyMiller** · 21-06-2012 12:49 PM

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here
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotlan...-west-18148818

According to the BBC, 111 trusts were set up but, I only see 68 people listed.

I wonder whose names have been held back, and why?

***Moulin Yarns*** · 21-06-2012 12:52 PM

Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod

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According to the CVA document, Green's purchase was conditional on Rangers being in all domestic competitions next season. But I also remember DandD saying that the offer was irrevocable.

Money? Changing hands? It'll be the first time in this saga since 14 February...

No club is able to compete in all domestic competitions, surely?! Hibs play in the SPL, League Cup and Scottish Cup. Falkirk play in the SFL, League Cup, Scottish Cup and the Challenge Cup. See the difference

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It was only the CVA offer that was conditional, when the CVA failed Sevcorandomnumbers was obliged to buy the assets of RFC.

You 2 are the guys that will know better than most on here, but buying the assets gives them the 'bricks and mortar' but not the rights to actually play football yet. for that they are relying on the good will of somebody to accept an application to play in whatever league. If that's the case, why does it appear they have only applied to join the SPL, the top league in the country, and not applied to join where any new football club would expect to play, at the lowest level, which I would suspect is the West of Scotland League?

I find the whole thing curious that there is this assumption that they have some direct relationship with the football club that they bought the assets from.