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13-05-2020, 07:26 PM
hibeerealist

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bostonhibby

The creditors cup would be a good idea, all ticket sales money going to the Lady Haig poppy fund, Scottish Amubulance Service, Macraes Battalion trust, Big Hearts and other similar bumped charities.

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Perfect BH very relevant too.
13-05-2020, 07:26 PM
truehibernian

Quote:

Originally Posted by 007

I hope they do because they'll get laughed out of court.

What they'll most likely do is continue to squeal and squeal 🐷🐷 in the hope they'll be offered money to make then shut up. To help that cause, the likes of L Deans will be given a lot of airtime and column inches by the Jambo friendly media.

I wouldn't even trust him to sell a wendy house after his rant on Saturday :aok:
13-05-2020, 07:29 PM
CropleyWasGod

Quote:

Originally Posted by truehibernian

If Deans is to be believed they'll go down a delict route and duty of care...............and they have no chance. As for an injunction............I'll become a priest if any court grants one :aok: that should answer your question GW :greengrin

Your flock are safe. Injunctions are for the English and Welsh, no?
13-05-2020, 07:31 PM
truehibernian

Quote:

Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod

Your flock are safe. Injunctions are for the English and Welsh, no?

I was quoting the legal eagle Deans CWG.......his view was they could raise an action to stop football while it was heard :greengrin
13-05-2020, 07:33 PM
007

Quote:

Originally Posted by truehibernian

Any money they throw at a legal challenge is money wasted............let's see how serious The Rangers are when it comes to playing in Europe and needing to challenge Celtic.....a club already mired in debt :aok: Absolutely not going to happen.....if Hearts do, they're on the road to nowhere.......I think when Deans said they'd consulted a QC he really meant he'd drank a bottle of QC :greengrin

Deans made the point that Rangers' QC thought they had a very good case, Partick's QC thought they had a very good case and that he thought Hearts had a very good case. Funny that, solicitors who are probably struggling for work at the moment encouraging potential clients to go ahead with expensive court cases.(He probably fancies a role for himself on the team, even if he is just a conveyancer).
13-05-2020, 07:34 PM
CropleyWasGod

Quote:

Originally Posted by truehibernian

I was quoting the legal eagle Deans CWG.......his view was they could raise an action to stop football while it was heard :greengrin

Ha....even better. 😂
13-05-2020, 07:38 PM
truehibernian

Quote:

Originally Posted by 007

Deans made the point that Rangers' QC thought they had a very good case, Partick's QC thought they had a very good case and that he thought Hearts had a very good case. Funny that, solicitors who are probably struggling for work at the moment encouraging potential clients to go ahead with expensive court cases.(He probably fancies a role for himself on the team, even if he is just a conveyancer).

I've not met a lawyer yet who would not say there's a case - lawyers are men (and women :greengrin) we employ to protect against lawyers :aok:
13-05-2020, 07:48 PM
Bostonhibby

Quote:

Originally Posted by tamig

I actually sent a donation to Nairn today after their excellent statement at the weekend. True community club.

I'll do the same.

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13-05-2020, 08:03 PM
O'Rourke3

Quote:

Originally Posted by KeithTheHibby

I don't think Stendel will be back. I suspect there will be something in his contract that allows him and the club to cut ties which I think will happen.

On another note he seems to be escaping most of the flak for how terrible they were under him, seems Levein and Budge are the main culprits in all this.

He might have a get out clause if he's not paid, for say 6 weeks....

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13-05-2020, 08:06 PM
SouthMoroccoStu

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fuzzywuzzy

https://www.pieandbovril.com/forum/i...1052/#comments

Makes a change from kickback

I find I can never fully sink my teeth into PieAndBovril

The idea is there, a collection of various teams fans in open (mostly civil) debate on all matters of Scottish football

But I often find it difficult to follow posters and their points of view and who and what they are agreeing/disagreeing with
13-05-2020, 08:11 PM
Since452

Quote:

Originally Posted by SouthMoroccoStu

I find I can never fully sink my teeth into PieAndBovril

The idea is there, a collection of various teams fans in open (mostly civil) debate on all matters of Scottish football

But I often find it difficult to follow posters and their points of view and who and what they are agreeing/disagreeing with

Couldn't think of anything worse. Imagine it right now? I'd be banned within a minute
13-05-2020, 08:24 PM
SouthMoroccoStu

Quote:

Originally Posted by Since452

Couldn't think of anything worse. Imagine it right now? I'd be banned within a minute

Yeah

Everyone is too nice and polite to each other

You can’t call out the eejits
13-05-2020, 08:51 PM
Greenworld

Quote:

Originally Posted by truehibernian

If Deans is to be believed they'll go down a delict route and duty of care...............and they have no chance. As for an injunction............I'll become a priest if any court grants one :aok: that should answer your question GW :greengrin

Seems fair Father [emoji16]

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13-05-2020, 08:53 PM
StevieC

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Originally Posted by ShadesLongThrow

One of the funniest things if they take the SPFL to court is that, because they are members themselves, not only are they taking themselves to court, they will be required to contribute towards the cost of defending the SPFL against themselves. So they are going to pay twice, once for each side. Mental.

Yes, but they’ll get their SPFL share back when they lose. Result!
13-05-2020, 09:14 PM
jacomo

Quote:

Originally Posted by 007

Deans made the point that Rangers' QC thought they had a very good case, Partick's QC thought they had a very good case and that he thought Hearts had a very good case. Funny that, solicitors who are probably struggling for work at the moment encouraging potential clients to go ahead with expensive court cases.(He probably fancies a role for himself on the team, even if he is just a conveyancer).

In my fairly limited experience, I’ve never found it difficult to find legal advice that backs your side of the story.

Making it stick in court is a whole different issue however!
13-05-2020, 09:44 PM
SuperAllyMcleod

Quote:

Originally Posted by SouthMoroccoStu

I find I can never fully sink my teeth into PieAndBovril

The idea is there, a collection of various teams fans in open (mostly civil) debate on all matters of Scottish football

But I often find it difficult to follow posters and their points of view and who and what they are agreeing/disagreeing with

I tried it a few years back but every thread seemed to come down to which half of the Old Firm you supported - so many of them couldn’t grasp the concept of supporting another team without having Celtic or Rangers as your big team.

To be fair, when I pointed that out there were plenty of people in resigned agreement - I’m not sure why they stuck around.

I take it there’s not too many kickbackers on now as they would surely get punted for their ‘vermin’ patter.
13-05-2020, 09:48 PM
Joe6-2

Quote:

Originally Posted by Greenworld

Seems fair Father [emoji16]

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😂😂
13-05-2020, 09:49 PM
Heisenberg

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/...ngers-22022914

How can Hearts/Rangers possibly have any legal case if they are now agreeing that the time has come to call the league?
13-05-2020, 09:54 PM
theonlywayisup

Quote:

Originally Posted by Heisenberg

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/...ngers-22022914

How can Hearts/Rangers possibly have any legal case if they are now agreeing that the time has come to call the league?

For those not willing to click on their website, the headline is all 12 top-flight clubs including Rangers have confirmed they will not object to the current season being officially ended with Celtic crowned nine in a row champions.

Bur, details of the show of hands were fudged in the minutes which were later circulated around the clubs by Aberdeen, who were in charge of hosting the emergency conference call.
13-05-2020, 09:58 PM
Real Emerald

Quote:

Originally Posted by theonlywayisup

For those not willing to click on their website, the headline is all 12 top-flight clubs including Rangers have confirmed they will not object to the current season being officially ended with Celtic crowned nine in a row champions.

Bur, details of the show of hands were fudged in the minutes which were later circulated around the clubs by Aberdeen, who were in charge of hosting the emergency conference call.

I’m sure Tom English will want an investigation and Hearts to be reinstated due to the obvious dubious goings on. 🤡😂
13-05-2020, 10:09 PM
04Sauzee

Quote:

Originally Posted by Heisenberg

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/...ngers-22022914

How can Hearts/Rangers possibly have any legal case if they are now agreeing that the time has come to call the league?

Tickety Tock
13-05-2020, 10:12 PM
007

Quote:

Originally Posted by Heisenberg

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/...ngers-22022914

How can Hearts/Rangers possibly have any legal case if they are now agreeing that the time has come to call the league?

They can't start a legal case until they are officially relegated. Interestingly Tom English doesn't think Hearts will go down the legal route.

Surprised Budge hasn't put a statement out since losing yet another vote yesterday.
13-05-2020, 10:18 PM
04Sauzee

From kickback

Jammy T Jammy T

Posted 58 minutes ago
I don’t think some people really understand the mechanics of what a court process entails and how the strategy and psychology of it works.

First of all you do of course need a prima facile case - a case that has, on the face of it, prospects of success. Not a guarantee but us a chance. As punters we can say this is obvious but the best example of their being a prima facie case is seen in Partick Thistle’s legal opinion.

If you have a prima facie case what does this mean?

1. when you commence proceedings you won’t have it immediately thrown out on a preliminary issue

2. your opponent knows there is a risk of losing. Both sides have a risk of losing but that’s the point. Doncaster can blag away with self-censored interviews all he wants, he knows and will have been advised that he can’t guarantee the SPFL would win a legal case.

3. Court actions are public - all dirty laundry will be aired publicly, reported daily.

4. With reference to point 3 this means it is likely that most of the info that would have been dealt with in the Rangers resolution by what would have been a relatively private independent investigation will be played out in the public.

What does this all mean?

In my view, therefore, the threat or commencement of court proceedings is a huge risk to the SPFL being toppled and all the nonsense that has happened being exposed and decided upon under oath in a court of law.

In theory, Hearts needn’t win, needn’t even conclude the case (95% or so are settled), they just need to create the risk of exposure, delay and a very public bust up to create the leverage we may need to “settle” at a compromise - one favourable to us, whatever that may be.

If the SPFL can bully clubs into ending the season they can bully them into voting for reconstruction to avoid the whole thing disintegrating.

We don’t even need to have that big balls to start the process off.

IMO.

Edited 57 minutes ago by Jammy
13-05-2020, 10:20 PM
hibeerealist

Quote:

Originally Posted by 007

They can't start a legal case until they are officially relegated. Interestingly Tom English doesn't think Hearts will go down the legal route.

Surprised Budge hasn't put a statement out since losing yet another vote yesterday.

Poor dear must be shattered it is all collapsing round about her and this relegation will be VERY costly, more so than other years as there is no certainty when the championship will get started and it will be after the SPL.

So much uncertainty and she has all these players with a huge wage bill.
13-05-2020, 10:23 PM
Waxy

Quote:

Originally Posted by 04Sauzee

From kickback

Jammy T Jammy T

Posted 58 minutes ago
I don’t think some people really understand the mechanics of what a court process entails and how the strategy and psychology of it works.

First of all you do of course need a prima facile case - a case that has, on the face of it, prospects of success. Not a guarantee but us a chance. As punters we can say this is obvious but the best example of their being a prima facie case is seen in Partick Thistle’s legal opinion.

If you have a prima facie case what does this mean?

1. when you commence proceedings you won’t have it immediately thrown out on a preliminary issue

2. your opponent knows there is a risk of losing. Both sides have a risk of losing but that’s the point. Doncaster can blag away with self-censored interviews all he wants, he knows and will have been advised that he can’t guarantee the SPFL would win a legal case.

3. Court actions are public - all dirty laundry will be aired publicly, reported daily.

4. With reference to point 3 this means it is likely that most of the info that would have been dealt with in the Rangers resolution by what would have been a relatively private independent investigation will be played out in the public.

What does this all mean?

In my view, therefore, the threat or commencement of court proceedings is a huge risk to the SPFL being toppled and all the nonsense that has happened being exposed and decided upon under oath in a court of law.

In theory, Hearts needn’t win, needn’t even conclude the case (95% or so are settled), they just need to create the risk of exposure, delay and a very public bust up to create the leverage we may need to “settle” at a compromise - one favourable to us, whatever that may be.

If the SPFL can bully clubs into ending the season they can bully them into voting for reconstruction to avoid the whole thing disintegrating.

We don’t even need to have that big balls to start the process off.

IMO.

Edited 57 minutes ago by Jammy

Poor soul. Crying his heart out.
13-05-2020, 10:26 PM
Real Emerald

Quote:

Originally Posted by hibeerealist

Poor dear must be shattered it is all collapsing round about her and this relegation will be VERY costly, more so than other years as there is no certainty when the championship will get started and it will be after the SPL.

So much uncertainty and she has all these players with a huge wage bill.

If I was her I’d be preparing the shares to be handed over pronto, get her money back with interest and head for the hills. After her brother gets his dosh paid for her botched overpriced stand.
13-05-2020, 10:29 PM
Waxy

Quote:

Originally Posted by Heisenberg

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/...ngers-22022914

How can Hearts/Rangers possibly have any legal case if they are now agreeing that the time has come to call the league?

They need cash?
13-05-2020, 10:46 PM
Liberal Hibby

Quote:

Originally Posted by 04Sauzee

From kickback

Jammy T Jammy T

First of all you do of course need a prima facile case

Edited 57 minutes ago by Jammy

Yup that's exactly what it is.
13-05-2020, 10:47 PM
007

Quote:

Originally Posted by 04Sauzee

From kickback

Jammy T Jammy T

Posted 58 minutes ago
I don’t think some people really understand the mechanics of what a court process entails and how the strategy and psychology of it works.

First of all you do of course need a prima facile case - a case that has, on the face of it, prospects of success. Not a guarantee but us a chance. As punters we can say this is obvious but the best example of their being a prima facie case is seen in Partick Thistle’s legal opinion.

If you have a prima facie case what does this mean?

1. when you commence proceedings you won’t have it immediately thrown out on a preliminary issue

2. your opponent knows there is a risk of losing. Both sides have a risk of losing but that’s the point. Doncaster can blag away with self-censored interviews all he wants, he knows and will have been advised that he can’t guarantee the SPFL would win a legal case.

3. Court actions are public - all dirty laundry will be aired publicly, reported daily.

4. With reference to point 3 this means it is likely that most of the info that would have been dealt with in the Rangers resolution by what would have been a relatively private independent investigation will be played out in the public.

What does this all mean?

In my view, therefore, the threat or commencement of court proceedings is a huge risk to the SPFL being toppled and all the nonsense that has happened being exposed and decided upon under oath in a court of law.

In theory, Hearts needn’t win, needn’t even conclude the case (95% or so are settled), they just need to create the risk of exposure, delay and a very public bust up to create the leverage we may need to “settle” at a compromise - one favourable to us, whatever that may be.

If the SPFL can bully clubs into ending the season they can bully them into voting for reconstruction to avoid the whole thing disintegrating.

We don’t even need to have that big balls to start the process off.

IMO.

Edited 57 minutes ago by Jammy

The guy's not been keeping up to date. It now seems it was Inverness who were doing the bullying and they were conspiring with Hearts and Rangers to null and void the league. Everyone knows how damaging to all the clubs null and void would be, opening them up to all sorts of compensation claims but those 3 clubs tried their best to do this nonetheless.

I would love there to be a court case so we'd get the details around this. We might even find out more about why Dundee changed their mind. Maybe it was them standing up to bullies.

Their trouble is that their judgement is completely clouded, they can't see the sham of the Rangers' dossier. Are they seriously so deluded that they actually believe Rangers have all of a sudden developed a sense of morality and that it had nothing to do with revenge on Doncaster and trying to either stop 9 in a row, or at the very least be able to claim it is tainted?
14-05-2020, 06:00 AM
Ronniekirk

If we are serious about Sporting Integrity then this current debacle should be the motivation
Two clubs who have blatantly ignore this concept and tried to buy success now using the phrase to try and somehow take the Moral Highground
If there isn’t a backlash by other clubs for changing this now then when will there be

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14-05-2020, 06:19 AM
Waxy

Quote:

Originally Posted by 007

The guy's not been keeping up to date. It now seems it was Inverness who were doing the bullying and they were conspiring with Hearts and Rangers to null and void the league. Everyone knows how damaging to all the clubs null and void would be, opening them up to all sorts of compensation claims but those 3 clubs tried their best to do this nonetheless.

I would love there to be a court case so we'd get the details around this. We might even find out more about why Dundee changed their mind. Maybe it was them standing up to bullies.

Their trouble is that their judgement is completely clouded, they can't see the sham of the Rangers' dossier. Are they seriously so deluded that they actually believe Rangers have all of a sudden developed a sense of morality and that it had nothing to do with revenge on Doncaster and trying to either stop 9 in a row, or at the very least be able to claim it is tainted?

Hearts Rangers and ICT trying to null and void it. Would have cost clubs who knows how much money.Then when it doesnt come off they cry to everyone about caring 😂
14-05-2020, 06:28 AM
Waxy

Jack Ross basically saying get doon.
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/f...-hibs-22023443
14-05-2020, 06:42 AM
southern hibby

Quote:

Originally Posted by StevieC

Yes, but they’ll get their SPFL share back when they lose. Result!

Then they really would owe it too themselves.

GGTTH
14-05-2020, 08:55 AM
Keith_M

AllisBarry in the Evening News...

"Hearts manager Daniel Stendel will discuss his future with owner Ann Budge if and when the club are officially relegated from the Premiership.

His contract, which runs until summer 2022, is not valid outwith the top flight so he will be free to leave if Hearts end up in the Championship. He and Budge have yet to formally talk about whether he might stay on in that case."

Strange way to word that and, because it was written by Banderson, I'm taking it with a pinch of salt.

I have a feeling they want rid, and this is their first 'throw of the dice'.
14-05-2020, 08:56 AM
The 90+2

Not a relegation release clause then? 😂
14-05-2020, 08:57 AM
Since452

Would be an absolute disaster if they parted ways. I want more signings like Langer
14-05-2020, 09:00 AM
007

Quote:

Originally Posted by Waxy

Jack Ross basically saying get doon.
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/f...-hibs-22023443

🙂 Plus you won't be missed.
14-05-2020, 09:02 AM
Jones28

Quote:

Originally Posted by Keith_M

AllisBarry in the Evening News...

"Hearts manager Daniel Stendel will discuss his future with owner Ann Budge if and when the club are officially relegated from the Premiership.

His contract, which runs until summer 2022, is not valid outwith the top flight so he will be free to leave if Hearts end up in the Championship. He and Budge have yet to formally talk about whether he might stay on in that case."

Strange way to word that and, because it was written by Banderson, I'm taking it with a pinch of salt.

I have a feeling they want rid, and this is their first 'throw of the dice'.

So the manager they paid Barnsley £1m compensation for and broke the bank to sign gets to leave after relegating Hearts?

🤣🤣🤣🤣

Get doon ya ****s
14-05-2020, 09:03 AM
Greenworld

Quote:

Originally Posted by 90+2

Not a relegation release clause then? [emoji23]

No its an outwith or expulsion clause they are very common with players and managers as of about.well! 5 minutes ago

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14-05-2020, 09:05 AM
Greenworld

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jones28

So the manager they paid Barnsley £1m compensation for and broke the bank to sign gets to leave after relegating Hearts?

[emoji1787][emoji1787][emoji1787][emoji1787]

Get doon ya ****s

That would be a good story

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14-05-2020, 09:05 AM
Kojock

“I personally think it would not be fair to punish one team and force them to relegate kind of 'in the middle of the season' – whether it was Hearts or any other team.

Mid season. You need a new calendar or an updated fixture list.
14-05-2020, 09:16 AM
Waxy

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kojock

“I personally think it would not be fair to punish one team and force them to relegate kind of 'in the middle of the season' – whether it was Hearts or any other team.

Mid season. You need a new calendar or an updated fixture list.

I'd bet Stendal didn't even say that.Just been stuck in there by the reporter.
14-05-2020, 09:27 AM
Peevemor

Quote:

Originally Posted by Waxy

I'd bet Stendal didn't even say that.Just been stuck in there by the reporter.

It wasn't Stendel, it was his agent - Timo Rodewald (there's got to be a cracking anagram in there). I really care what he thinks.
14-05-2020, 09:31 AM
nonshinyfinish

Quote:

Originally Posted by Peevemor

Timo Rodewald (there's got to be a cracking anagram in there)

Welt amid odor?
14-05-2020, 09:31 AM
Waxy

Quote:

Originally Posted by Peevemor

It wasn't Stendel, it was his agent - Timo Rodewald (there's got to be a cracking anagram in there). I really care what he thinks.

Oops.
Still bet the reporter wrote that.
14-05-2020, 09:32 AM
Waxy

Quote:

Originally Posted by nonshinyfinish

Welt amid odor?

We have a winner already.
14-05-2020, 09:33 AM
Keith_M

Quote:

Originally Posted by 90+2

Not a relegation release clause then? 😂

Nah, that would have been a far too simple way to describe it.

I have a feeling that Hearts are desperate to dump him (even if it's just to get rid of his high wages), but the ball is in Stendel's court.
14-05-2020, 09:34 AM
GreenCastle

Quote:

Originally Posted by Waxy

Jack Ross basically saying get doon.
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/f...-hibs-22023443

That’s the paper stirring.

Regarding Stendal - so looks like it’s true he signed with a relegation clause to protect himself.

He obviously is taking no wage no so if he leaves he can say he didn’t take anything for last few months and doesn’t look the bad guy - leaves on a positive just like he did at Barnsley - but left them in a mess too.

Surely he won’t want to manage in the Championship?

At the same time - he may see it as an easy chance to win a league and boost his CV. But fail to get promoted 1st time and he will be really struggling so he will be thinking about his career pathway.

He has a 29% win ratio at Hearts which is really awful.
14-05-2020, 09:35 AM
ACLeith

Quote:

Originally Posted by Peevemor

It wasn't Stendel, it was his agent - Timo Rodewald (there's got to be a cracking anagram in there). I really care what he thinks.

A doomed twirl
14-05-2020, 09:38 AM
nonshinyfinish

Quote:

Originally Posted by ACLeith

A doomed twirl

:hilarious
14-05-2020, 09:42 AM
brog

Quote:

Originally Posted by 04Sauzee

From kickback

Jammy T Jammy T

Posted 58 minutes ago
I don’t think some people really understand the mechanics of what a court process entails and how the strategy and psychology of it works.

First of all you do of course need a prima facile case - a case that has, on the face of it, prospects of success. Not a guarantee but us a chance. As punters we can say this is obvious but the best example of their being a prima facie case is seen in Partick Thistle’s legal opinion.

If you have a prima facie case what does this mean?

1. when you commence proceedings you won’t have it immediately thrown out on a preliminary issue

2. your opponent knows there is a risk of losing. Both sides have a risk of losing but that’s the point. Doncaster can blag away with self-censored interviews all he wants, he knows and will have been advised that he can’t guarantee the SPFL would win a legal case.

3. Court actions are public - all dirty laundry will be aired publicly, reported daily.

4. With reference to point 3 this means it is likely that most of the info that would have been dealt with in the Rangers resolution by what would have been a relatively private independent investigation will be played out in the public.

What does this all mean?

In my view, therefore, the threat or commencement of court proceedings is a huge risk to the SPFL being toppled and all the nonsense that has happened being exposed and decided upon under oath in a court of law.

In theory, Hearts needn’t win, needn’t even conclude the case (95% or so are settled), they just need to create the risk of exposure, delay and a very public bust up to create the leverage we may need to “settle” at a compromise - one favourable to us, whatever that may be.

If the SPFL can bully clubs into ending the season they can bully them into voting for reconstruction to avoid the whole thing disintegrating.

We don’t even need to have that big balls to start the process off.

IMO.

Edited 57 minutes ago by Jammy

Is Prima Facile the collective noun for the Hearts support? A superb Freudian slip!
14-05-2020, 09:45 AM
Bostonhibby

Quote:

Originally Posted by 04Sauzee

From kickback

Jammy T Jammy T

Posted 58 minutes ago
I don’t think some people really understand the mechanics of what a court process entails and how the strategy and psychology of it works.

First of all you do of course need a prima facile case - a case that has, on the face of it, prospects of success. Not a guarantee but us a chance. As punters we can say this is obvious but the best example of their being a prima facie case is seen in Partick Thistle’s legal opinion.

If you have a prima facie case what does this mean?

1. when you commence proceedings you won’t have it immediately thrown out on a preliminary issue

2. your opponent knows there is a risk of losing. Both sides have a risk of losing but that’s the point. Doncaster can blag away with self-censored interviews all he wants, he knows and will have been advised that he can’t guarantee the SPFL would win a legal case.

3. Court actions are public - all dirty laundry will be aired publicly, reported daily.

4. With reference to point 3 this means it is likely that most of the info that would have been dealt with in the Rangers resolution by what would have been a relatively private independent investigation will be played out in the public.

What does this all mean?

In my view, therefore, the threat or commencement of court proceedings is a huge risk to the SPFL being toppled and all the nonsense that has happened being exposed and decided upon under oath in a court of law.

In theory, Hearts needn’t win, needn’t even conclude the case (95% or so are settled), they just need to create the risk of exposure, delay and a very public bust up to create the leverage we may need to “settle” at a compromise - one favourable to us, whatever that may be.

If the SPFL can bully clubs into ending the season they can bully them into voting for reconstruction to avoid the whole thing disintegrating.

We don’t even need to have that big balls to start the process off.

IMO.

Edited 57 minutes ago by Jammy

In this ingenious plan it's just as well any defendant will agree to them just walking away at their chosen time without paying the defendants costs up to the point that Hearts think they can walk away.

The defendant might actually decide it has a counter claim too.

They're easy led.

Oh and they definitely have a facile claim [emoji16] a Prima one naturally, was never going to be an ordinary facile one.

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14-05-2020, 09:46 AM
Springbank

Quote:

Originally Posted by ACLeith

A doomed twirl

From Dens Park, May 1986
To Easter Road, February 2016
And St Mirren Park, March 2020

The Doomed Twirl tour of Scotland continues
14-05-2020, 10:09 AM
Sweet Left Peg

Quote:

Originally Posted by Peevemor

It wasn't Stendel, it was his agent - Timo Rodewald (there's got to be a cracking anagram in there). I really care what he thinks.

Maybe his agent is Levein undercover?

DR WI'OOT MEDAL
14-05-2020, 10:21 AM
Keith_M

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Originally Posted by Peevemor

It wasn't Stendel, it was his agent - Timo Rodewald (there's got to be a cracking anagram in there). I really care what he thinks.

Tim O'Rodewald?

That'll get the Mini-Huns totally beelin!
14-05-2020, 10:21 AM
Tug Wilson

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Originally Posted by 007

They agreed wage reductions so I doubt they'll be subsequently using clause 12. If I was a player agreeing to a reduction I'd be making sure part of the agreement would be that clause 12 was removed from the contract.

If I am correct then the famous Article 12 allows the club to suspend the player's contract while the season is suspended. As it is now.

Once the season is completed then Article 12 is no longer applicable. It is not a method to get rid of a player.

It is likely that, in the event of relegation, some contracts allow for 1) a reduction in wages, 2) cancellation of the contract by the player and/or 3) cancellation of the contract by the club.

This protects the club from having high earners on the books and allows the player to move if he feels that he is better than the division the club has dropped down to.

Any player would be mad to walk away from a contract in the current climate. If Hearts don't have wage reduction / contract cancellation clauses in their players' contracts then they could be saddled with a lot of players they don't want.
14-05-2020, 10:35 AM
high bee

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Originally Posted by Tug Wilson

If I am correct then the famous Article 12 allows the club to suspend the player's contract while the season is suspended. As it is now.

Once the season is completed then Article 12 is no longer applicable. It is not a method to get rid of a player.

It is likely that, in the event of relegation, some contracts allow for 1) a reduction in wages, 2) cancellation of the contract by the player and/or 3) cancellation of the contract by the club.

This protects the club from having high earners on the books and allows the player to move if he feels that he is better than the division the club has dropped down to.

Any player would be mad to walk away from a contract in the current climate. If Hearts don't have wage reduction / contract cancellation clauses in their players' contracts then they could be saddled with a lot of players they don't want.

And if they don’t have clauses in the contracts I’m sure they will be claiming it’s because they’re unethical and they aren’t like others clubs, heaven forbid anyone should claim its poor business acumen.

Just like when they claimed they’re a fair employer cause they pay a high basic wage... eh no, how about you’re throwing money about like there’s no tomorrow and paying wages that are unsustainable, hence why teams like Aberdeen couldn’t compete to sign Boyce.
14-05-2020, 10:38 AM
RyeSloan

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Originally Posted by Jones28

So the manager they paid Barnsley £1m compensation for and broke the bank to sign gets to leave after relegating Hearts?

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Get doon ya ****s

I’m pretty sure that it has been mentioned a number of times that he had a relegation release clause so I’m not sure this is new news.

Absolutely makes sense that he has, not just that such an outcome would have proven he was crap but no way could Hearts be able to afford whatever silly money they were chucking at him.

Shame really as he is right up there in the ranks of Hearts managers Hibs would really want to keep!
14-05-2020, 10:38 AM
Auckland Hibs

Had a look over on Brokeback, they're resigned to the fact that the league will be called soon and relegation is coming - very pleasing.

Apparently the only thing to be resolved is their level of compensation which appears to sit between 1 & 3 million - deluded fools.
14-05-2020, 10:38 AM
Tug Wilson

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Originally Posted by 04Sauzee

From kickback

Jammy T Jammy T

Posted 58 minutes ago
I don’t think some people really understand the mechanics of what a court process entails and how the strategy and psychology of it works.

First of all you do of course need a prima facile case - a case that has, on the face of it, prospects of success. Not a guarantee but us a chance. As punters we can say this is obvious but the best example of their being a prima facie case is seen in Partick Thistle’s legal opinion.

If you have a prima facie case what does this mean?

1. when you commence proceedings you won’t have it immediately thrown out on a preliminary issue

2. your opponent knows there is a risk of losing. Both sides have a risk of losing but that’s the point. Doncaster can blag away with self-censored interviews all he wants, he knows and will have been advised that he can’t guarantee the SPFL would win a legal case.

3. Court actions are public - all dirty laundry will be aired publicly, reported daily.

4. With reference to point 3 this means it is likely that most of the info that would have been dealt with in the Rangers resolution by what would have been a relatively private independent investigation will be played out in the public.

What does this all mean?

In my view, therefore, the threat or commencement of court proceedings is a huge risk to the SPFL being toppled and all the nonsense that has happened being exposed and decided upon under oath in a court of law.

In theory, Hearts needn’t win, needn’t even conclude the case (95% or so are settled), they just need to create the risk of exposure, delay and a very public bust up to create the leverage we may need to “settle” at a compromise - one favourable to us, whatever that may be.

If the SPFL can bully clubs into ending the season they can bully them into voting for reconstruction to avoid the whole thing disintegrating.

We don’t even need to have that big balls to start the process off.

IMO.

Edited 57 minutes ago by Jammy

This is right "man in the pub" advice where someone shows that a little knowledge is dangerous. Throwing in a bit of Latin to try and look smart.
14-05-2020, 10:43 AM
hibbyfraelibby

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Originally Posted by Keith_M

AllisBarry in the Evening News...

"Hearts manager Daniel Stendel will discuss his future with owner Ann Budge if and when the club are officially relegated from the Premiership.

His contract, which runs until summer 2022, is not valid outwith the top flight so he will be free to leave if Hearts end up in the Championship. He and Budge have yet to formally talk about whether he might stay on in that case."

Strange way to word that and, because it was written by Banderson, I'm taking it with a pinch of salt.

I have a feeling they want rid, and this is their first 'throw of the dice'.

So are theh "expelling", "ejecting" or "recalibrating" St.Endal?
14-05-2020, 10:44 AM
Bostonhibby

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Originally Posted by Tug Wilson

This is right "man in the pub" advice where someone shows that a little knowledge is dangerous. Throwing in a bit of Latin to try and look smart.

Prima facile case[emoji23][emoji23][emoji23][emoji23][emoji23][emoji23][emoji23]

If he's trying to impress with his classic Latin there's not many better cock ups than that one[emoji16]

Facile, just brilliant. Incidentally Man in Pub
could certainly do a better job of explaining to them what the process actually is as opposed to this idiot who has probably been up all night watching Perry Mason.

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14-05-2020, 10:47 AM
JimBHibees

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Originally Posted by Jones28

So the manager they paid Barnsley £1m compensation for and broke the bank to sign gets to leave after relegating Hearts?

🤣🤣🤣🤣

Get doon ya ****s

Did they really pay a million for a manager already sacked? Wow.
14-05-2020, 10:50 AM
hibbyfraelibby

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Originally Posted by Auckland Hibs

Had a look over on Brokeback, they're resigned to the fact that the league will be called soon and relegation is coming - very pleasing.

Apparently the only thing to be resolved is their level of compensation which appears to sit between 1 & 3 million - deluded fools.

Apparently they think they should get the parachute payment for bottom plus the one for the losing Prem play off team....£800k in total. Should be abe to pay off Budgies brother with that and then go into Admin2
14-05-2020, 10:52 AM
jacomo

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Originally Posted by JimBHibees

Did they really pay a million for a manager already sacked? Wow.

Barnsley said they would pursue legal action. Hearts said no compensation was due. I am not sure that it went to court.

I can’t believe even Budge would be so dumb as to pay £1m for him.
14-05-2020, 11:07 AM
MrSmith

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Originally Posted by brog

Is Prima Facile the collective noun for the Hearts support? A superb Freudian slip!

Yeah a superb facial given how much they spaff on their own.
14-05-2020, 11:10 AM
Jdawg

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Originally Posted by Tug Wilson

This is right "man in the pub" advice where someone shows that a little knowledge is dangerous. Throwing in a bit of Latin to try and look smart.

Correct. He’s almost entirely wrong. He seems to have forgotten the basics of a court case in that the defender can defend the action 😂.

Prima facie means at first sight and usually for interim orders such as diligence at the start of an action/interim interdicts, etc.

It has nothing to do with cases being thrown out on a preliminary matter. These are dealt with at debate if the action lacks specification, relevance, etc. which are pleas-in-law for the defender.
14-05-2020, 11:11 AM
Jdawg

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Originally Posted by MrSmith

Yeah a superb facial given how much they spaff on their own.

😂😂😂
14-05-2020, 11:11 AM
Jones28

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Originally Posted by JimBHibees

Did they really pay a million for a manager already sacked? Wow.

Tbf that was a figure punted at the time as what Barnsley wanted. Whether or not it came to that is a different matter - although the fact that it didn’t actually go to court would suggest something was agreed.
14-05-2020, 11:13 AM
Jdawg

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Originally Posted by Jones28

Tbf that was a figure punted at the time as what Barnsley wanted. Whether or not it came to that is a different matter - although the fact that it didn’t actually go to court would suggest something was agreed.

Hilarious if it’s true.
14-05-2020, 11:39 AM
Skol

Imagine if Hearts declared they were demoted and not relegated and as a result the relegation clauses were null and void and they had to keep paying the high wages for the current squad
14-05-2020, 11:43 AM
Hibeesmad

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Originally Posted by Skol

Imagine if Hearts declared they were demoted and not relegated and as a result the relegation clauses were null and void and they had to keep paying the high wages for the current squad

Definitely one for the agents to look into.
14-05-2020, 11:45 AM
Joe6-2

Quote:

Originally Posted by Peevemor

It wasn't Stendel, it was his agent - Timo Rodewald (there's got to be a cracking anagram in there). I really care what he thinks.

Waded rim tool
14-05-2020, 11:45 AM
Andy74

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Originally Posted by Skol

Imagine if Hearts declared they were demoted and not relegated and as a result the relegation clauses were null and void and they had to keep paying the high wages for the current squad

Hearts can declare whatever they like but they will have been officially relegated, so a non starter.
14-05-2020, 11:56 AM
Tug Wilson

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Originally Posted by Jdawg

Correct. He’s almost entirely wrong. He seems to have forgotten the basics of a court case in that the defender can defend the action 😂.

Prima facie means at first sight and usually for interim orders such as diligence at the start of an action/interim interdicts, etc.

It has nothing to do with cases being thrown out on a preliminary matter. These are dealt with at debate if the action lacks specification, relevance, etc. which are pleas-in-law for the defender.

Spot on. If raising an action was that easy then we would all be at it. Civil cases can go on for years. I very much doubt that any court would grant an interdict to halt professional football whilst the action proceeded. Imagine the counterclaim that the SPFL would have against Hearts for loss of income.
14-05-2020, 12:06 PM
Bostonhibby

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Originally Posted by Tug Wilson

Spot on. If raising an action was that easy then we would all be at it. Civil cases can go on for years. I very much doubt that any court would grant an interdict to halt professional football whilst the action proceeded. Imagine the counterclaim that the SPFL would have against Hearts for loss of income.

Good point, the bellend was talking about the risk to the SPFL if Hearts were to go for it.

I doubt it's a greater risk than Hearts not winning or trying to wriggle out of the proceedings pre trial and having to pay all the financial losses of the likes of their sevco pals or having to meet celtcs income losses and every other club that wants to join in.

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14-05-2020, 12:09 PM
Seveno

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Originally Posted by jacomo

Barnsley said they would pursue legal action. Hearts said no compensation was due. I am not sure that it went to court.

I can’t believe even Budge would be so dumb as to pay £1m for him.

Where have you been for the last 4 years? Wasting £1m is well within her limited ability.
14-05-2020, 01:03 PM
Fanforlife

I see overby that there is now a Jack Ross thread regarding his comments in DR,basically mouthing off that he is scared of Hearts and all the damage they would inflict on us🤣 Last time i looked it was 1 away win each,***** terrifying stuff right enough!!🤣🤣
14-05-2020, 01:06 PM
Peevemor

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Originally Posted by Fanforlife

I see overby that there is now a Jack Ross thread regarding his comments in DR,basically mouthing off that he is scared of Hearts and all the damage they would inflict on us🤣 Last time i looked it was 1 away win each,***** terrifying stuff right enough!!🤣🤣

He doesn't really say anything about them in the article.
14-05-2020, 02:38 PM
broondog

down down down they go
14-05-2020, 02:54 PM
Irish_Steve

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fanforlife

I see overby that there is now a Jack Ross thread regarding his comments in DR,basically mouthing off that he is scared of Hearts and all the damage they would inflict on us🤣 Last time i looked it was 1 away win each,***** terrifying stuff right enough!!🤣🤣

Sorry to be the bearer of bad news but the Fartz have won twice away at ER this season

Still going down tho :flag::flag::flag:
14-05-2020, 02:59 PM
Fanforlife

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Originally Posted by Peevemor

He doesn't really say anything about them in the article.

spot on,doesn't stop them though,2 pages of comments last i looked,think they are a bit touchy at moment, wonder why!!🤣🤣
14-05-2020, 03:02 PM
Ozyhibby

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Originally Posted by Irish_Steve

Sorry to be the bearer of bad news but the Fartz have won twice away at ER this season

Still going down tho :flag::flag::flag:

First one not under Jack Ross though.

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14-05-2020, 03:04 PM
Irish_Steve

One of the special ones over there thinks that "Dundee Hibernian" will only bring about 50 fans for the equivalent of the derby day fixture - I`m surprised these people can type!
14-05-2020, 03:05 PM
Fanforlife

Quote:

Originally Posted by Irish_Steve

Sorry to be the bearer of bad news but the Fartz have won twice away at ER this season

Still going down tho :flag::flag::flag:

Know that m8,However comment was in Regards to Jack Ross thread overby. Head to Head its 1 1 in Ross v Stendal matches.
14-05-2020, 03:06 PM
Onion

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Originally Posted by Skol

Imagine if Hearts declared they were demoted and not relegated and as a result the relegation clauses were null and void and they had to keep paying the high wages for the current squad

That's gonna rip their knittin :greengrin And if they even try exercise the R clause, their pathetic claims of ejection are shamefully exposed.
14-05-2020, 03:10 PM
Irish_Steve

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fanforlife

Know that m8,However comment was in Regards to Jack Ross thread overby. Head to Head its 1 1 in Ross v Stendal matches.

Aah yes. good point! 1 - 1 it is!!
14-05-2020, 03:18 PM
Irish_Steve

Oh flip me - Brokeback is hilarious just now - another has just started a thread thinking it could be a catchy acronym. He wanted the acronym to be PRICKS but titled it, Project Re-start In Scotland Kicks-Off

Dear oh dear!
14-05-2020, 03:20 PM
CA Hibby

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Originally Posted by Irish_Steve

Aah yes. good point! 1 - 1 it is!!

Was Stendel in charge when we won there, thought he had just been appointed but it was Nanny that was taking the team
14-05-2020, 03:23 PM
Waxy

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Originally Posted by Irish_Steve

Oh flip me - Brokeback is hilarious just now - another has just started a thread thinking it could be a catchy acronym. He wanted the acronym to be PRICKS but titled it, Project Re-start In Scotland Kicks-Off

Dear oh dear!

Project Ended No Immediate Soccer.
14-05-2020, 03:42 PM
Ozyhibby

Quote:

Originally Posted by Irish_Steve

One of the special ones over there thinks that "Dundee Hibernian" will only bring about 50 fans for the equivalent of the derby day fixture - I`m surprised these people can type!

There seems to be a lot of focus on there about the money we will lose from one particular fixture rather than the money they will lose in every single fixture they play.

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14-05-2020, 04:08 PM
Irish_Steve

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Originally Posted by Ozyhibby

There seems to be a lot of focus on there about the money we will lose from one particular fixture rather than the money they will lose in every single fixture they play.

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Yeah it ranges between £300,000 to £500,000 dependent on how many pies get eaten according to one financial guru over there
14-05-2020, 04:09 PM
Irish_Steve

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Originally Posted by Waxy

Project Ended No Immediate Soccer.

:greengrin:greengrin:greengrin:greengrin
14-05-2020, 04:10 PM
Garymcl

Somebody go on there and tell them what I’ve said on here we just make sure for home united fixtures we sell out stadium problem solved :greengrin
14-05-2020, 04:57 PM
Mikey

Have they not been expelled yet?

:I'm waiti
14-05-2020, 05:05 PM
Bostonhibby

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Originally Posted by Irish_Steve

Yeah it ranges between £300,000 to £500,000 dependent on how many pies get eaten according to one financial guru over there

I reckon they're probably talking about a Desperate Dan style 300,000lb pie, they're just so use everything being so much bigger.

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14-05-2020, 05:34 PM
O'Rourke3

Apart from the cod Latin, why would Rangers complaint of bullying and incompetence be defence of Los Yabos being "expelled" in a Civil law case. That's two separate things. And if it were relevant, the members voted on it and decided they could not support it. You have to worry how they continue to walk and breathe...

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14-05-2020, 05:44 PM
lapsedhibee

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Originally Posted by Ozyhibby

There seems to be a lot of focus on there about the money we will lose from one particular fixture rather than the money they will lose in every single fixture they play.

How long before they start claiming that they planned all along to be ejected/expelled, just to stick it to the wee/subhuman vermin team?
14-05-2020, 05:52 PM
H18 SFR

Yam mate:

Hearts are being ejected, Dundee Utd are being up-zoned.

No relegation or promotion apparently.
14-05-2020, 05:59 PM
jacomo

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Originally Posted by H18 SFR

Yam mate:

Hearts are being ejected, Dundee Utd are being up-zoned.

No relegation or promotion apparently.

Can we officially call Hearts rejects now?

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