The generic Hearts thread

[Since452]

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I find I can never fully sink my teeth into PieAndBovril

The idea is there, a collection of various teams fans in open (mostly civil) debate on all matters of Scottish football

But I often find it difficult to follow posters and their points of view and who and what they are agreeing/disagreeing with

Couldn't think of anything worse. Imagine it right now? I'd be banned within a minute

[SouthMoroccoStu]

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Couldn't think of anything worse. Imagine it right now? I'd be banned within a minute

Yeah

Everyone is too nice and polite to each other

You can’t call out the eejits

[Greenworld]

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If Deans is to be believed they'll go down a delict route and duty of care...............and they have no chance. As for an injunction............I'll become a priest if any court grants one that should answer your question GW

Seems fair Father

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[StevieC]

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One of the funniest things if they take the SPFL to court is that, because they are members themselves, not only are they taking themselves to court, they will be required to contribute towards the cost of defending the SPFL against themselves. So they are going to pay twice, once for each side. Mental.

Yes, but they’ll get their SPFL share back when they lose. Result!

[jacomo]

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Deans made the point that Rangers' QC thought they had a very good case, Partick's QC thought they had a very good case and that he thought Hearts had a very good case. Funny that, solicitors who are probably struggling for work at the moment encouraging potential clients to go ahead with expensive court cases.(He probably fancies a role for himself on the team, even if he is just a conveyancer).

In my fairly limited experience, I’ve never found it difficult to find legal advice that backs your side of the story.

Making it stick in court is a whole different issue however!

[SuperAllyMcleod]

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I find I can never fully sink my teeth into PieAndBovril

The idea is there, a collection of various teams fans in open (mostly civil) debate on all matters of Scottish football

But I often find it difficult to follow posters and their points of view and who and what they are agreeing/disagreeing with

I tried it a few years back but every thread seemed to come down to which half of the Old Firm you supported - so many of them couldn’t grasp the concept of supporting another team without having Celtic or Rangers as your big team.

To be fair, when I pointed that out there were plenty of people in resigned agreement - I’m not sure why they stuck around.

I take it there’s not too many kickbackers on now as they would surely get punted for their ‘vermin’ patter.

[Joe6-2]

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Seems fair Father

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[Heisenberg]

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/...ngers-22022914

How can Hearts/Rangers possibly have any legal case if they are now agreeing that the time has come to call the league?

[theonlywayisup]

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https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/...ngers-22022914

How can Hearts/Rangers possibly have any legal case if they are now agreeing that the time has come to call the league?

For those not willing to click on their website, the headline is all 12 top-flight clubs including Rangers have confirmed they will not object to the current season being officially ended with Celtic crowned nine in a row champions.

Bur, details of the show of hands were fudged in the minutes which were later circulated around the clubs by Aberdeen, who were in charge of hosting the emergency conference call.

[Real Emerald]

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For those not willing to click on their website, the headline is all 12 top-flight clubs including Rangers have confirmed they will not object to the current season being officially ended with Celtic crowned nine in a row champions.

Bur, details of the show of hands were fudged in the minutes which were later circulated around the clubs by Aberdeen, who were in charge of hosting the emergency conference call.

I’m sure Tom English will want an investigation and Hearts to be reinstated due to the obvious dubious goings on. 🤡😂

[04Sauzee]

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https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/...ngers-22022914

How can Hearts/Rangers possibly have any legal case if they are now agreeing that the time has come to call the league?

Tickety Tock

[007]

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https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/...ngers-22022914

How can Hearts/Rangers possibly have any legal case if they are now agreeing that the time has come to call the league?

They can't start a legal case until they are officially relegated. Interestingly Tom English doesn't think Hearts will go down the legal route.

Surprised Budge hasn't put a statement out since losing yet another vote yesterday.

[04Sauzee]

From kickback

Jammy T Jammy T

Posted 58 minutes ago
I don’t think some people really understand the mechanics of what a court process entails and how the strategy and psychology of it works.



First of all you do of course need a prima facile case - a case that has, on the face of it, prospects of success. Not a guarantee but us a chance. As punters we can say this is obvious but the best example of their being a prima facie case is seen in Partick Thistle’s legal opinion.



If you have a prima facie case what does this mean?



1. when you commence proceedings you won’t have it immediately thrown out on a preliminary issue

2. your opponent knows there is a risk of losing. Both sides have a risk of losing but that’s the point. Doncaster can blag away with self-censored interviews all he wants, he knows and will have been advised that he can’t guarantee the SPFL would win a legal case.

3. Court actions are public - all dirty laundry will be aired publicly, reported daily.

4. With reference to point 3 this means it is likely that most of the info that would have been dealt with in the Rangers resolution by what would have been a relatively private independent investigation will be played out in the public.



What does this all mean?



In my view, therefore, the threat or commencement of court proceedings is a huge risk to the SPFL being toppled and all the nonsense that has happened being exposed and decided upon under oath in a court of law.



In theory, Hearts needn’t win, needn’t even conclude the case (95% or so are settled), they just need to create the risk of exposure, delay and a very public bust up to create the leverage we may need to “settle” at a compromise - one favourable to us, whatever that may be.


If the SPFL can bully clubs into ending the season they can bully them into voting for reconstruction to avoid the whole thing disintegrating.


We don’t even need to have that big balls to start the process off.



IMO.

Edited 57 minutes ago by Jammy

[hibeerealist]

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They can't start a legal case until they are officially relegated. Interestingly Tom English doesn't think Hearts will go down the legal route.

Surprised Budge hasn't put a statement out since losing yet another vote yesterday.

Poor dear must be shattered it is all collapsing round about her and this relegation will be VERY costly, more so than other years as there is no certainty when the championship will get started and it will be after the SPL.

So much uncertainty and she has all these players with a huge wage bill.

[Waxy]

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From kickback

Jammy T Jammy T

Posted 58 minutes ago
I don’t think some people really understand the mechanics of what a court process entails and how the strategy and psychology of it works.



First of all you do of course need a prima facile case - a case that has, on the face of it, prospects of success. Not a guarantee but us a chance. As punters we can say this is obvious but the best example of their being a prima facie case is seen in Partick Thistle’s legal opinion.



If you have a prima facie case what does this mean?



1. when you commence proceedings you won’t have it immediately thrown out on a preliminary issue

2. your opponent knows there is a risk of losing. Both sides have a risk of losing but that’s the point. Doncaster can blag away with self-censored interviews all he wants, he knows and will have been advised that he can’t guarantee the SPFL would win a legal case.

3. Court actions are public - all dirty laundry will be aired publicly, reported daily.

4. With reference to point 3 this means it is likely that most of the info that would have been dealt with in the Rangers resolution by what would have been a relatively private independent investigation will be played out in the public.



What does this all mean?



In my view, therefore, the threat or commencement of court proceedings is a huge risk to the SPFL being toppled and all the nonsense that has happened being exposed and decided upon under oath in a court of law.



In theory, Hearts needn’t win, needn’t even conclude the case (95% or so are settled), they just need to create the risk of exposure, delay and a very public bust up to create the leverage we may need to “settle” at a compromise - one favourable to us, whatever that may be.


If the SPFL can bully clubs into ending the season they can bully them into voting for reconstruction to avoid the whole thing disintegrating.


We don’t even need to have that big balls to start the process off.



IMO.

Edited 57 minutes ago by Jammy

Poor soul. Crying his heart out.

[Real Emerald]

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Poor dear must be shattered it is all collapsing round about her and this relegation will be VERY costly, more so than other years as there is no certainty when the championship will get started and it will be after the SPL.

So much uncertainty and she has all these players with a huge wage bill.

If I was her I’d be preparing the shares to be handed over pronto, get her money back with interest and head for the hills. After her brother gets his dosh paid for her botched overpriced stand.

[Waxy]

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https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/...ngers-22022914

How can Hearts/Rangers possibly have any legal case if they are now agreeing that the time has come to call the league?

They need cash?

[Liberal Hibby]

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From kickback

Jammy T Jammy T

First of all you do of course need a prima facile case

Edited 57 minutes ago by Jammy

Yup that's exactly what it is.

[007]

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From kickback

Jammy T Jammy T

Posted 58 minutes ago
I don’t think some people really understand the mechanics of what a court process entails and how the strategy and psychology of it works.



First of all you do of course need a prima facile case - a case that has, on the face of it, prospects of success. Not a guarantee but us a chance. As punters we can say this is obvious but the best example of their being a prima facie case is seen in Partick Thistle’s legal opinion.



If you have a prima facie case what does this mean?



1. when you commence proceedings you won’t have it immediately thrown out on a preliminary issue

2. your opponent knows there is a risk of losing. Both sides have a risk of losing but that’s the point. Doncaster can blag away with self-censored interviews all he wants, he knows and will have been advised that he can’t guarantee the SPFL would win a legal case.

3. Court actions are public - all dirty laundry will be aired publicly, reported daily.

4. With reference to point 3 this means it is likely that most of the info that would have been dealt with in the Rangers resolution by what would have been a relatively private independent investigation will be played out in the public.



What does this all mean?



In my view, therefore, the threat or commencement of court proceedings is a huge risk to the SPFL being toppled and all the nonsense that has happened being exposed and decided upon under oath in a court of law.



In theory, Hearts needn’t win, needn’t even conclude the case (95% or so are settled), they just need to create the risk of exposure, delay and a very public bust up to create the leverage we may need to “settle” at a compromise - one favourable to us, whatever that may be.


If the SPFL can bully clubs into ending the season they can bully them into voting for reconstruction to avoid the whole thing disintegrating.


We don’t even need to have that big balls to start the process off.



IMO.

Edited 57 minutes ago by Jammy

The guy's not been keeping up to date. It now seems it was Inverness who were doing the bullying and they were conspiring with Hearts and Rangers to null and void the league. Everyone knows how damaging to all the clubs null and void would be, opening them up to all sorts of compensation claims but those 3 clubs tried their best to do this nonetheless.

I would love there to be a court case so we'd get the details around this. We might even find out more about why Dundee changed their mind. Maybe it was them standing up to bullies.

Their trouble is that their judgement is completely clouded, they can't see the sham of the Rangers' dossier. Are they seriously so deluded that they actually believe Rangers have all of a sudden developed a sense of morality and that it had nothing to do with revenge on Doncaster and trying to either stop 9 in a row, or at the very least be able to claim it is tainted?

[Ronniekirk]

If we are serious about Sporting Integrity then this current debacle should be the motivation
Two clubs who have blatantly ignore this concept and tried to buy success now using the phrase to try and somehow take the Moral Highground
If there isn’t a backlash by other clubs for changing this now then when will there be


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[Waxy]

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The guy's not been keeping up to date. It now seems it was Inverness who were doing the bullying and they were conspiring with Hearts and Rangers to null and void the league. Everyone knows how damaging to all the clubs null and void would be, opening them up to all sorts of compensation claims but those 3 clubs tried their best to do this nonetheless.

I would love there to be a court case so we'd get the details around this. We might even find out more about why Dundee changed their mind. Maybe it was them standing up to bullies.

Their trouble is that their judgement is completely clouded, they can't see the sham of the Rangers' dossier. Are they seriously so deluded that they actually believe Rangers have all of a sudden developed a sense of morality and that it had nothing to do with revenge on Doncaster and trying to either stop 9 in a row, or at the very least be able to claim it is tainted?

Hearts Rangers and ICT trying to null and void it. Would have cost clubs who knows how much money.Then when it doesnt come off they cry to everyone about caring 😂

[Waxy]

Jack Ross basically saying get doon.
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/f...-hibs-22023443

[southern hibby]

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Yes, but they’ll get their SPFL share back when they lose. Result!

Then they really would owe it too themselves.


GGTTH

[Keith_M]

AllisBarry in the Evening News...


"Hearts manager Daniel Stendel will discuss his future with owner Ann Budge if and when the club are officially relegated from the Premiership.

His contract, which runs until summer 2022, is not valid outwith the top flight so he will be free to leave if Hearts end up in the Championship. He and Budge have yet to formally talk about whether he might stay on in that case."


Strange way to word that and, because it was written by Banderson, I'm taking it with a pinch of salt.

I have a feeling they want rid, and this is their first 'throw of the dice'.

[The 90+2]

Not a relegation release clause then? 😂

[Since452]

Would be an absolute disaster if they parted ways. I want more signings like Langer

[007]

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Jack Ross basically saying get doon.
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/f...-hibs-22023443

🙂 Plus you won't be missed.

[Jones28]

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AllisBarry in the Evening News...


"Hearts manager Daniel Stendel will discuss his future with owner Ann Budge if and when the club are officially relegated from the Premiership.

His contract, which runs until summer 2022, is not valid outwith the top flight so he will be free to leave if Hearts end up in the Championship. He and Budge have yet to formally talk about whether he might stay on in that case."


Strange way to word that and, because it was written by Banderson, I'm taking it with a pinch of salt.

I have a feeling they want rid, and this is their first 'throw of the dice'.

So the manager they paid Barnsley £1m compensation for and broke the bank to sign gets to leave after relegating Hearts?




🤣🤣🤣🤣

Get doon ya ****s

[Greenworld]

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Not a relegation release clause then?

No its an outwith or expulsion clause they are very common with players and managers as of about.well! 5 minutes ago

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[Greenworld]

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So the manager they paid Barnsley £1m compensation for and broke the bank to sign gets to leave after relegating Hearts?






Get doon ya ****s

That would be a good story

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